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********INDEPENDENT NEWS AGENCY OF NOUVELLE ANGLETERRE********

The leader of Nouvelle Angleterre, HM King Tristan MP, has today spoken out against religious leaders after a series of religious riots in the country's captial.

The riots broke out after a planned protest by the "God's People, God's Way" ,religious pressure group, failed to gather sufficient support.

The King made this speech live on television earlier.

"The events of today have appalled me and apalled the nation. They have served to undermine further the already fragile status of religious people within our country. And I say that it has gone to far. This is the time that the intelligent and reasoned people of Nouvelle Angleterre need to make a stand against religion. No longer shall we be dictated to by people who support a theory that has about as much scientific basis as Harry Potter. No longer shall we tolerate wars being fought and people dying on a "My God is better than your God" mentality. No longer will we tolerate a two-tier society, where we have laws aimed at promoting free speech, but where these laws dont apply to some people because they might be offensive to religious people, but where religious people can say things that are offensive to ordinary people beacuse it's their "religious right". These things have to end, and they have to end here. We are living in the 21st century, a time when, every day, the basis of religion is being eroded away by scientific truth. And this is why I make this declaration. We are a free and fair nation and so I am not about to ban religion. But I am about to declare that organised religous gatherings must be overseen by a police officer and everyone attending must be registered. I believe that this measure is the only way to combat this sort of extremist and intolerable behaviour. Religion must wake up and smell the coffee......your time has come and gone and now it is time for freedom equality and humanity to prevail. "CARPE DIEM""

"Science may answer a lot of things...But it doesn't answer the really intresting questions." -Dr. Kohu Umetsu M.D. Ph.D M.S. General Hospital

Being Shinto I obviously don't follow Chrstianity, but I don't share your anti-semetic views. But it is refreshing to see someone who would rather controll it by law and order, instead of taking away a person natrual born right, of belife. After all you wouldn't like it, if they took away your athestic belifes.

Princess Tomoyo Mikanu

********THE OFFICE OF THE LEADER OF NOUVELLE ANGLETERRE********

This is not anti-semitism, this is realism, the religions wars and terrorism towards other religions and atheists is anti-semitism. The freedom of speech part is important but so is the freedom to choose and not to be attacked by religious lunatics because of those beliefs

CARPE DIEM

The Nicksyllvanian Imperium Supports your first steps against the Barabaric Practice known as Religion. Only Logic and Reasoning, and the occasional faith in the State, should be the basis of nations, not a collection of fables.

The Empire of Akhalla believes that you don't need scientific fact to prove religious qualities. This is just a way for Aethism to take place within your nation, where religion doesn't need to have a god or anything but if you follow the tenents of the religion the basic aspects of the religion without getting into the debate of if their is a god or gods then that is the way to go. We will be watching this extremely closely to ensure that quidelines are to be followed as stated by the national government.

The Secular Empire of Maraque wholeheartedly supports the decision of the Nouvelle Angleterre, and applauds the actions taking place.

Statement to the people of Nouvelle Angleterre by the Mondothian Government
The Trinitarian Republic views any attempts to limit or infringe the free practice of religion as deplorable and contemptible behaviour for a government to undertake. And while the Nouvelle Angleterre government has not ye limitted or infringed the right of its people to freel practice religion, it has taken a dangerous step onto a slippery slope. Forcing the registration of religious practitioners and overseeing religious gatherings may seem reasonable now, but history has shown that governments, once embarking to 'protect' their people from religion, they seldom stop at simply reasonable measures. Historically, such laws as those enacted now in Nouvelle Angleterre lead towards eventual extermination of religion. Once a goverment feels that religion is a problem, it does not stop at simply monitoring religion for long. As such, We hereby open our borders to all religious citizens of Nouvelle Angleterre under the provisions of the Religious Refugee Act. All those wishing to take advantage of this act will recieve full citizenship nad freedom o practie any religion without government interference.
We sincerely hope the overnment of Nouvelle Angleterre does not follow their current path for much longer, but we are prepared to act if it does.

The Empire of Akhalla agrees with the comments from the government of Mondoth and if more restrictions are put in place to infringe home religious practices and other measures for gathering will result in measures from our nation.

********THE DEFENCE DEPARTMENT OF NOUVELLE ANGLETERRE********

The Government of Nouvelle Angleterre would like to politely warn the Mondothian Government not to meddle in the business of Nouvelle Angleterre.

We are taking the steps that we deem nesescary to prevent this becoming a serious problem for Nouvelle Angleterre and it's people. We would like to inform you that we see this as an attempt to undermine our Government and our policies. We understand that you may have differing opinions to us but we still expect our internal desicions to be respected by our neighbours.

We fear that the announcement will only serve to undermine the new laws and fire up the already militant religious population of our country. We would appreciate the offer of opening the borders if our nation was in a time of need. As it is, we see this as a deliberate and agressive attempt to force our Government to back down from policies that are for the greater good of the nation.

As for the idea that we are on a slippery slope to some kind "ethnic cleansing", we find that absurd and offensive. Our nations human rights record is second to none and we pride ourselves on protecting our citizens welfare. If this means keeping tags on people who own guns, or people who attend religious gatherings, then so be it. We would like to assure the world that this will in no way infringe the quality of life of the nations religious population, so long as they obey the laws of the state.

To you we say that this sort of interference will not be tolerated and we will be stepping up border security as a result.

We would like to invite you to talks about the situation and look forward to sorting this problem out in a diplomatic manner.

We would also like to make clear, however, that military force may be used if the diplomatic route fails.

Yours In Peace
HM King Tristan MP, elected leader of Nouvelle Angleterre

General Andrew Lucas MP, Defence Minister

PRIVATE MESSAGE:

HM King Tristan MP, elected leader of Nouvelle Angleterre,


We have (the under signed group) have been following this story, and find you bluntly hypocritcal, anti-smetic, as the Kuronan Princess mentiond, and on the verge of going into enthnic clensing. While you may not do it your self, some one will, 10x better.

Frankley, being a devoted and faithful Christanto (and a few LDS) Groupe, having a steadfast belife in God, the Father, and Jesus Christ we find it desturbing you would so try to supress others from beliving the same.

In our country, Church and State are seperate, respectfully. We do have all religious schools, and purley secular schools. We do not think down on thoes nations that practice secularsim, but we look down on thoes who force secularsim on others.

It's not a question of reality, or a statment that you are being realistc, or devoted to science. It's all about who you see as follishly idealistc, and what you belive. And it's a statment of your power and controll.

Our religion condems violence, most religions do. Jihad, the Isalm term for holy war, is being perverted by a few radicals. The Crusades happend in a very diffrent era, a time before the modern world.

if you have the right to say, non of this is true, and you do have that right, what gives you the right to force others?

And it's depolrable that you use the nobel word of Carpe Diem, for you outlandish methods. No excuses, tell us the truth.


Yours truly,

the HAKEYE

"It should be a natural born right, to belive in the almighty." Yasashii Himura

"Science may answer a lot of things...But it doesn't answer the really intresting questions." -Dr. Kohu Umetsu M.D. Ph.D M.S. General Hospital

"What science lacks, my faith makes up for." Dr. Cheiko Yoshida-Prof. of Sceince U of Carmina Gadalica

*******TO THE ABOVE GROUP FROM THE GOVERNMENT OF NOUVELLE ANGLETERRE*******

I would ask you, in your own interests, to stop be so bluntly pathetic. We are a nation that demands tolerance and, just because you happen to be religious, doesn't mean that you are immune from this. When religion takes responsiblity for what it has done in the world, then the civilized world will let religion back in. Until that time we will continue our stance that religion is dangerous and must be monitored. This is not an issue of egotistic control, it is a matter of national security. Many nations keep tabs on those who own guns, as well they might, as a gun is a dangerous weapon. It is of the same logic that we keep tabs on those who practice religion. Religion is the most dangerous weapon that anyone can posess and, this makes it all the more dangerous, it is almost uncontrollable. Once someone has been brainwashed by religion and blinded to any cause other than the continuation of that religion, that person automatically becomes capable of anything. This is not suggesting that every single believer is going to strap a bomb to thier backs, merely that they have, instilled into them, the basic principles from which terrorism grows. The truth is that most of these people are not radical enough to commit a full blown terrorist attack on a large scale, but they are commited enough to cause a major national security problem. The vast majority of believers believe that the laws of a nation should be based around their ideals, the teaching in schools should be the teachings of their faith, and the rights of others to express thier opinions should be removed but the right of religious people to express their opinions should be held sacrosanct. Religion can offend as many people as it likes, and I point to the example of protests about a particualar cartoon in a particular city, religious people were carrying banners that threatened and incited terrorism, murder and violence towards so called "infidels". I am almost positive that if I were to have walked through said city with a banner that said, for example, "Burn the Muslims", a statement which I do not agree with and is abhorent, I would have caused outrage and been arrested. So the question remains, how come these people can say what they like because they are religious, but the rest of us cannot say what we liked for fear of being attacked. It is wrong that people can hide behind religion and get away with crime, religion should join sociey or society should alienate religion, and that needs to happen soon, before the problem gets worse.

To clarify the situation these are the main points of the new laws-

1-No religious gathering should take place away from a specified place of worship.
2-No religious gathering may take place without the attendance of at least one police officer per 100 attendees.
3-Each and every atendee of a religious gathering must register their details with proof of identity.
4-Every religious place of worship must register with the local authority and national government and obtain a license.
5-Nowhere must stage a religious gathering unless it holds one of the aforementioned licenses.
6-A person must be allowed to attend a religious gathering if they provide sufficient evidence of their identity.
7- The following count as sufficient proof of identity- passport, birth certificate, ID card, 3 seperate household bills, any other means of state recognised identification.
8-If the gathering is peaceful, the overseeing police officer(s) must not interfere with the ceremony.
9-The overseeing police officer(s) must not, as long as the ceremony is peaceful, devalue the ceremony in any way.
10-The rights of the atendee must be respected at all times.
11-The overseeing officer(s) must not be involved with the ceremony to avoid a conflict of interest.
12-The overseeing officer(s) have the right to suspend the service at any time if they believe that a disturbance is likely.
13-The government may deny an application or remove a license with no notice if there is reason to believe that a disturbance is likely.


CARPE DIEM

********THE DEFENCE DEPARTMENT OF NOUVELLE ANGLETERRE********

The Government of Nouvelle Angleterre would like to politely warn the Mondothian Government not to meddle in the business of Nouvelle Angleterre.

We are taking the steps that we deem nesescary to prevent this becoming a serious problem for Nouvelle Angleterre and it's people. We would like to inform you that we see this as an attempt to undermine our Government and our policies. We understand that you may have differing opinions to us but we still expect our internal desicions to be respected by our neighbours.

We fear that the announcement will only serve to undermine the new laws and fire up the already militant religious population of our country. We would appreciate the offer of opening the borders if our nation was in a time of need. As it is, we see this as a deliberate and agressive attempt to force our Government to back down from policies that are for the greater good of the nation.

As for the idea that we are on a slippery slope to some kind "ethnic cleansing", we find that absurd and offensive. Our nations human rights record is second to none and we pride ourselves on protecting our citizens welfare. If this means keeping tags on people who own guns, or people who attend religious gatherings, then so be it. We would like to assure the world that this will in no way infringe the quality of life of the nations religious population, so long as they obey the laws of the state.

To you we say that this sort of interference will not be tolerated and we will be stepping up border security as a result.

We would like to invite you to talks about the situation and look forward to sorting this problem out in a diplomatic manner.

We would also like to make clear, however, that military force may be used if the diplomatic route fails.

Yours In Peace
HM King Tristan MP, elected leader of Nouvelle Angleterre

General Andrew Lucas MP, Defence Minister

OOC: How do you plan to take military action when you have no defense budget?
http://nstracker.retrogade.com/index.php?nation=nouvelle+angleterre

*****DEFENCE DEPARTEMENT OF NOUVELLE ANGLETERRE*****

This is the 21st century. It is perfectly possible to divert funding from various departements into the military.

The Monothiestic Republic

To: Nouvelle Angleterre
From: Alred Rednight, Foreign Ministry

I see--you do this in the name of tolerance. I didn't bother to read all your rants and lunatic ravings about how God is evil and that the people must liberate themselves and the rest. There are far too many fools like yourself roaming this World. You speak of tolernace, yet you show none. You say that religious people must be watched like hawks--this looks similar to what a certain Germanic Dictator did to a certain peoples of the Jewish persuasion. I shall assume then, since you have assumed it your right to oppress religious people, that you will soon be opening 'concentration camps' and these certain peoples of certain religious beliefs will simply disappear.

All people have their station in life--unfortunately for the World, your's is King of Nouvelle Angleterre. Just like most Kings in the past, you do not submit yourself to God as reason dictates--you put yourself aboe God. You, O' Great King, believe you are God--or at least hold His rights. Even God has a station, and knowing this, as I assume any one should know whom is going to ban religion, you should humble yourself in your station. Your particular station demands you look over your people, ensure they are safe, give them freedom and peace--yet you do not. You lead them down the slow and agonizing path of Religious War. Your actions say that Science and yourself will slowly errode religion--you say this because you are arrogant and foolish. Science and religion are inseperable, and you can deny this until the day your people throw you from your ill-gotten throne and rejoice under the reign of a Republic--as day this Republic will rejoice--but the facts remain. Know this, O' Great King, that you will pass away, your life will end when God calls you to Judgement, your bones will eventually turn to dust, and your name will be but a footnote in the history books of you nation--yet God and His Way will live on, long after the last memory of your fades from the last mind that bothers to remeber you--God will live on.

So, O' Great and Mighty King, do your worst. Oppress religious people and freedom! Say we religious people are evil, cruel, and corrupt! Ban our religions, burn our houses of worships! Do your very worst! Though in the end, like all the Foolish Kings before you, you will fade into oblivion and God will remain. For in the end He is victorious, regardless of what you do.

Also take note 'King'--the Republic shall remember you. We shall watch you, and we shall ensure you do not step beyond your Station to challange God Himself or begin what most Foolish Kings do--genocide. Then again, you could prove me wrong and lift these bans and leave me standing in a shade of red.

From: The Leader of New Eonopolis

You have condemned religion and many have heard and replied about it. What has a Jain or Buddhist done since they hold Ahimsa or non-violence? What had the Jews done to reap the Holocaust? Know that Atheism has caused things, like when Stalin destroyed Russian Orthodoxy in Russia for example.

Atheism and Religion both had had problems, it is not just religion. We know many religions have had their bad times, even pagans did but we cannot condemn religion because many have worked for peace.

Did Buddha fight? Did Jesus Christ physically harm a Pharisee or Sadducee? Did Mahavira attack anyone? No they did not.

Religion has helped people too. For example, did not the Hand of God help Joan of Arc fight the English? Many faiths speak of non-violence, even if they are killed and you would condemn this?

Religion is not a plague. Atheism as I said has had problems for did not Marx's quote ''Religion is the opium of the people'' lead to the destruction of religion in Communist lands?

I will end my letter here but I tell you that religion should not be condemned, just because a minority go extremist.

Signed,
The Leader

OOC-Can someone tell me if this letter makes sense? Thanks.

*****DEFENCE DEPARTEMENT OF NOUVELLE ANGLETERRE*****

This is the 21st century. It is perfectly possible to divert funding from various departements into the military.

OOC: Right, since you can recruit, train, and equip military units instantly.

*****THE OFFICE OF THE KING OF NOUVELLE ANGLETERRE*****

A few points here-

1- I am not banning religion, merely monitoring people who attend religious gatherings.
2-"King" is a ceremonial title only. I am the ELECTED leader of this country and I would appreciate some recognition of this fact.
3-I am not a facist. I am a commited Socialist.
4-I believe in tolerence, yes, but I also believe in the protection of my people.
5-I am in to way preventing people from practisong religion.
6-No-one is being opressed. Observation is not opression, it is merely a measure of preventing violence.
7-Reson does in no way dictate that anyone should succumb to an imaginary being.
8-I do not believe I am God like. This goes against my belief that there is no higher being and that we are all equal.
9-I do look over my people and give them freedom and peace and ensure they are safe, which is why I have acted in the way I did.
10-I do not expect to be worshiped and I fully expect to fade into oblivion....but not just yet.
11-I am not about to commit ethnic cleansing, genocide, murder or put people in concentration camps.
12-it is the peoples choice whether they practice religion or not, monitoring doesnt mean preventing.

To clarify the situation these are the main points of the new laws-

1-No religious gathering should take place away from a specified place of worship.
2-No religious gathering may take place without the attendance of at least one police officer per 100 attendees.
3-Each and every atendee of a religious gathering must register their details with proof of identity.
4-Every religious place of worship must register with the local authority and national government and obtain a license.
5-Nowhere must stage a religious gathering unless it holds one of the aforementioned licenses.
6-A person must be allowed to attend a religious gathering if they provide sufficient evidence of their identity.
7- The following count as sufficient proof of identity- passport, birth certificate, ID card, 3 seperate household bills, any other means of state recognised identification.
8-If the gathering is peaceful, the overseeing police officer(s) must not interfere with the ceremony.
9-The overseeing police officer(s) must not, as long as the ceremony is peaceful, devalue the ceremony in any way.
10-The rights of the atendee must be respected at all times.
11-The overseeing officer(s) must not be involved with the ceremony to avoid a conflict of interest.
12-The overseeing officer(s) have the right to suspend the service at any time if they believe that a disturbance is likely.
13-The government may deny an application or remove a license with no notice if there is reason to believe that a disturbance is likely.

CARPE DIEM

You preach Tolerance, but you don't practice what you preach, by singling out religion. That is the glorious sound of hypocracy.

To all citizens start flying these banners, and had out these leaflets.

Welcome Welcome to Nazi Germany-Er-Nouvelle Angleterre.

http://************/l33d6

********THE DEFENCE DEPARTMENT OF NOUVELLE ANGLETERRE********

The Government of Nouvelle Angleterre would like to politely warn the Mondothian Government not to meddle in the business of Nouvelle Angleterre.

We are taking the steps that we deem nesescary to prevent this becoming a serious problem for Nouvelle Angleterre and it's people. We would like to inform you that we see this as an attempt to undermine our Government and our policies. We understand that you may have differing opinions to us but we still expect our internal desicions to be respected by our neighbours.

We fear that the announcement will only serve to undermine the new laws and fire up the already militant religious population of our country. We would appreciate the offer of opening the borders if our nation was in a time of need. As it is, we see this as a deliberate and agressive attempt to force our Government to back down from policies that are for the greater good of the nation.

As for the idea that we are on a slippery slope to some kind "ethnic cleansing", we find that absurd and offensive. Our nations human rights record is second to none and we pride ourselves on protecting our citizens welfare. If this means keeping tags on people who own guns, or people who attend religious gatherings, then so be it. We would like to assure the world that this will in no way infringe the quality of life of the nations religious population, so long as they obey the laws of the state.

To you we say that this sort of interference will not be tolerated and we will be stepping up border security as a result.

We would like to invite you to talks about the situation and look forward to sorting this problem out in a diplomatic manner.

We would also like to make clear, however, that military force may be used if the diplomatic route fails.

Yours In Peace
HM King Tristan MP, elected leader of Nouvelle Angleterre

General Andrew Lucas MP, Defence Minister
Message to the Government of Nouvelle Angleterre
From: The Mondothian Ministry of State Affairs
Via: DSL-GS50948

We are willing to diplomatically discuss alternatives to the laws already enacted by your government and/or the easment of passage for citizens willing to take advantage of the protection offered by the Religious Refugee act. We furthermore wish to remind Nouvelle Angleterre that the Trinitarian Republic does not take kindly to threats of military force, if this threat is not withdrawn post haste, we cannot consider further diplomatic interaction with your nation.

-Al Sabeen Minister of State Affairs (SecState)
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/mondoth.jpg
EDIT: Spelling

We would like to invite you to our capital to hold talks as an attempt to sort out the situation.

As for withdrawing our threat of military action, we see it as righteous retaliation to comments that undermined the government of our nation and we stand by the comment that this will be used in the event of the diplomatic route fails.


CARPE DIEM

(PS- how many of you religious zealots are American...you should know all about facism shouldnt you)

The Secular Empire of Maraque would like to send a Representative to this meeting in the Nouvelle Angleterre capital if it is at all possible.

Signed,
Minister of Foreign Affairs

The Monotheistic Republic

To: 'Elected' King of Nouvelle Angleterre
From: Alfred Rednight, Foreign Ministry

The Republic is interested in sending a representative to these discussions.

(OOC: Ok...for starters, this is an Roleplay if you get offended over something posted, then you shouldn't post. My nations response is as it was because...well that title is self-explanitory. Yes I am an American, no I don't care how much you don't like the country, its leader, or God.)

Message to the Government of Nouvelle Angleterre
From: The Mondothian Ministry of State Affairs
Via: DSL-GS50948

Until the Threat of Military action is rescinded, we cannot in good conscience send our diplomats to a nation whose governemnt can be threatend by a simple statement of opinion from a foreign agency.
We will continue offering our nation as a possible refuge for your citizens until you remove or improve your existing laws governing religious worship. We do not wish to upset your government, we simply wish to ensure your people are being treated as they have the right to be, not being forced to obtain a license for worship while being observed by armed police.


-Al Sabeen Minister of State Affairs (SecState)

OOC: I'm tacitly American, and if you're trying to imply GW is faschist then maybe you need a little refresher course in faschism. I might not like the guy, but he's no faschist.

(PS- how many of you religious zealots are American...you should know all about facism shouldnt you)


OOC: Okay if I we're you I would seriously reconsider saying that.

We would like to invite you to our capital to hold talks as an attempt to sort out the situation.

As for withdrawing our threat of military action, we see it as righteous retaliation to comments that undermined the government of our nation and we stand by the comment that this will be used in the event of the diplomatic route fails.


CARPE DIEM

(PS- how many of you religious zealots are American...you should know all about facism shouldnt you)

OOC: Just to make something clear, fascism= A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism

No centralization, though I admit the illegal wiretapping thing does raise some concerns. Socioeconomic controls? Heh. Suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship? Yeah. Because all the democrats are being rounded up. :rolleyes:. Belligerent nationalism, sure.

The Democratic Republic of Anreik wishes to publicly announce its approval of the recently adopted laws of Nouvelle Angleterre on the observation of religious gatherings. We ourselves are a stoutly atheist state where religion is tolerated but discouraged. In a recent issue of a national newspaper, President John Johansson was quoted saying:

"The aggressive reactions by several nations to the internal affairs of Nouvelle Angleterre are proof of the dangerous nature of parts of the religious community. History has shown countless times how religious belief can lead to tragic deaths in great numbers. Look on 16th century Europe for example, where the Inquisition haunted some of the brightest mind the continent has ever seen, killed thousands on doubtful grounds, and imprisoned even more. We, the Anreikian people, do not wield much power or influence in the international community, but we have proven ourselves better than many through not resorting to veiled threats and insults. Lastly, I wish to compliment those nations who have embraced the idea of letting Nouvelle Angleterre handle its own problems and those who have referred from vocal hostility and kept their calm even with opposing views to those of Nouvelle Angleterre"

OOC: I personally believe it is better to keep RL politics out of the debate here, whether it constitutes calling Americans fascists or atheists nazist.