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Official Name: The United Islands of the Philippines
Territory: Total Island Chain of the Philippines and Spratley Islands
Year: 1972
Economy: Market Economy
Tech Level: 7.5
Government: Elective Republic
Population: 41.5 Million
Growth: 4%

Head of State
President: Carlon Wong
Party: Democratic-Nationalists

Allies:
All SEG nations

Very Friendly:
None

Friendly:
Australasia

Weary:
India

Extremely Cautious:
None

At War:
None

Short History:

1900 - 01 Philippine Insurrection (historical)

1904 US promises Philippine independence by 1946 (historical)

1905 - 1934 Substantial US investment in Philippines, Filipino troops fight alongside American troops during 2nd Great War (1924-26) in Spain and France.

1935 - 40 During Third Great War, US and Filipino troops fight side by side and repel Japanese invasion, Filipino troops fight alongside American troops in Mideast, Ukraine and the final invasion of Russia.

1946 Philippines granted independence by US, US/Filipino defense treaty, US retains base at Subic Bay and Clark AFB, though the US continues to provide military equipment, training and support to Philippines military, and substantial investment as well.

1955- Japan's Reperations to the Phillipines ends.

1961- The Phillipines, until now under a less than democratic republic, elects Juarez Ramirez as President, the country having to restructure it's government to fit with the current trends. The new leadership finds itself in a confusing perdicament as it must create a new Phillipines.

1964- Due to the Twilight War, diplomatic ties with the United States die as that country ceases to exist. Now Australasia appears to be where the UIP turns for it's English relations.

1970- The Depression ends with the country actually doing alright for itself as it's succeeded in keeping debt away.

Military:

Air Force:
2 Viggen All Weather Fighters (150 Aircraft)
3 Mirage IIIC Units (225 Aircraft)
1 F101B fighter interceptor unit (75 aircraft)
1 Neptune Maritime patrol unit (36 aircraft)
1 C82 transport unit (36 aircraft)
4 expert pilots units
4 average pilots units
(5.25 points)

Navy:
Coast Guard-
4 coastal patrol groups (80 Ships total)

First Fleet-
1 Heavy Carrier: 1 Heavy Carrier Airwing
1 escort group (corvettes) (20 Ships total)
1 Destroyer Unit (2 Ships)
2 ASW Frigates (4 Ships Total)
3rd Generation Attack Sub

Other- 1 amphibious group
(7.75 points)

Army:
3 well trained parachute brigade (15,000 total)
3 well trained marine light infantry brigades (9,000 total)
2 well trained light infantry division (40,000 total)
1 well trained flak unit (equipped with US SAMs) (1,000)
4 reserve garrison units (12,000 Total)
3 Reserve Infantry Divisions (60,000 Total)
(5 points)

Space:
SCT space program 5 points
Panay Launch Site and Satelite Tracking

Economy:

Production Centers:
Manila: 7
Quezon City: 5
Cabanatuan City: 3
International/National Airlines: 3
Shipping Units: 20
Tourism: 4.1

Industries:
Automobile
Electronics

Natural Resources:
Nuclear Power 1 Natural Gas 1, hydroelectric 1 (1 ethanol possible)
Spratley Islands (China gets 2 Oil.)
Oil 4, Natural Gas 4

Food: 67 Units
Needed: 41
Surplus: 36
Earns: 3.5

Trade:
Australia: 6
SCT Nations: 5
Indonesia: 3
FNS: 3
Malaysia:3

Ongoing National Services:

1. Level 4 Social Services (20.5)
2. Civil Defense (4.1)
3. FNI (Intelligence Network) (5)

1972 Budget-
Maitence Costs:52.6
Income:82.6
Spending Money:30
Grows: 3
Manila 3 Economic Centers

1971 Spends:
Micro-Computer Industry (5) (Year 4)
Missle Cruiser (Heavy) (10)
2 Destroyer Units (6)
Ferry System Overhaul (2)
Infantry Division (1)

Economic THings to Get Done:
one corps, 4 divisions, 12 brigades, 6 air units, or 10 naval units per 5 million people

Filipino Represented Military:

it's SCT, and your military is under the amintenance of your builds in the SCT thread.

IC:

In an effort to strengthen the Phillipine's navy, Japan would like to seel the Phillipines 2 ASW (7.5 tech) Frigate units for 4 points apiece, and offers to build any further 7.5 ships for the Phillipines

Ok so find the SCT thread and that will have my starting points. THis is all very complicated. I'm trying. Thanks for the mounds of help man. I need it and more.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11058788&postcount=327

the thread that will help you out

Now what do I spend for those ships? Where do the points come out of? Cause it looks like I only have 3.5 points to spend on my navy.

Its Philippines. Single L, double P. Please be guided accordingly.

Thanks.

Ok, what's a unit comprised of? In relation to numbers that is. What's a standard brigade? Or a standard division. Or an airforce unit. And thanks for the spelling.

Ok, what's a unit comprised of? In relation to numbers that is. What's a standard brigade? Or a standard division. Or an airforce unit. And thanks for the spelling.

Not sure if this is it, but here's what I found for Air and Ground:

Ground forces

Notes on Size
Current Guidelines:
Brigades are 5,000 men (including support needed outside of the brigade)
Divisions and Groups are 20,000 men (as above)
Corps and Units are 50,000 men (as above)

As tech levels progress these sizes will decrease as technology begins to replace older jobs and fewer people are required to have the same firepower.

Air Forces

Unit Size
Strategic and heavy bombers, maritime patrol aircraft, transport aircraft, airborne early warning aircraft, tanker aircraft and transport aircraft are units of 36 planes.
Light bombers and helicopter units are 48 aircraft
Fighters and fighter bombers are units of 75 aircraft



http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11058240&postcount=3

And that linky is for the Naval Units. There's info on the units sizes mixed in there with general stats, so I could only link you there (mainly to avoid taking up too much space). Hope this works.

Now what do I spend for those ships? Where do the points come out of? Cause it looks like I only have 3.5 points to spend on my navy.

you would spend 8 in total, and the 3.5 is I think for maintenance costs, what you already have

And calculating maitence costs is like a percentage of the cost of the ship I gather. So I'd spend 8, and jeez I am going to read that economic thing tonight. Print it out.

Alright, into IC stuff.

IC: The Philippines has started to outroot the old corrupt system, allowing for certain positions to be elected from now on. Other drafts to allow for certain rights afforded to women and others in a more linear motion are being drafted.

The unicameral leigslature will now be turned into a bicameral one, that will have both representatives put to 3 year terms. The presidential term will be limited to one 6 year term. President Ramirez to attempt to fix the political turmoil from earlier. Thankfully all have been peaceful with no fringe groups starting violence.

Other news, the opposition party has been created with a new title as the Democratic Nationalists. In differentiation of the Federalists, the party of the president. Currently they are limiting their voices due to restructuring.

Naval news: The navy wishes to expand to create a single protection fleet beyond the civil defense. Something worthwhile to be capable of helping the SCT should trouble arrive.

Army news: The army has wishes to mechanize furthur to allow for a full and proper refitting.

Air force news: The air force wishes to open a better pilots school.

(Will find out costs later.)

so I take it you'll be buying the frigates?

Depends, I may wish to start the centerpeice of my new fleet. I mean could I buy them as well as a new spanking lovely Nuclear Carrier. (38) Hmm? If not then I can probably not go with the frigates. If I can't afford the carrier at all I'll take the frigates.

You can't afford a carrier at this time, but further building will let you

Alright then I'll take the frigates when I can calculate how to do all this. Gonna print everything out in a little bit.

okay, I would suggest you start building production centers

Is that in the economics rules part?

yea, you have growth of 4%, so take 4 (Production Centers) and multiply it by 4% and you get your growth. With the Phillipines it will accumulate to 1 center after a while, but other than buying the ships you should put the rest of your points toward a production center (so it's partially complete)

ALright then I'll do that when I figure it all out on points.

Alright I need to get more knowledge on this. I got how energy and pollution work. That I got.

And now I have some ideas on the rest.

Upon learning the Scandic Union has sent its submarine force to sea... President Kennedy orders the US Navy, US Air Force Air Defense Command and all US nuclear forces to Defcon 3. The US Air National Guard is federalized and all reserve personnel assigned to it are recalled.

The US Army and remainder of the US Air Force remains at Defcon 2, except for forces in Japan, Okinawa and the Philippines. Personnel at Japanese bases are evacuated so that only a skeleton force remains (sufficient to prepare them for demolition, and steps are taken toward that end).

At Subic Bay and Clark Field, steps are taken to contact Filipino officials to see exactly which way they are going on this. Pointed reminders of US and Filipino partnership are made, and the US offers to evacuate them if the Filipinos are prepared to declare neutrality and withdraw from the SCT and to reinforce them if the Philippines is interested in joining the Oceanic Alliance.

The US points at the evidence that the SCT and Scandic Union are the ones trying to destablize Russia and edging the world toward war.

Upon learning the Scandic Union has sent its submarine force to sea... President Kennedy orders the US Navy, US Air Force Air Defense Command and all US nuclear forces to Defcon 3. The US Air National Guard is federalized and all reserve personnel assigned to it are recalled.

The US Army and remainder of the US Air Force remains at Defcon 2, except for forces in Japan, Okinawa and the Philippines. Personnel at Japanese bases are evacuated so that only a skeleton force remains (sufficient to prepare them for demolition, and steps are taken toward that end).

At Subic Bay and Clark Field, steps are taken to contact Filipino officials to see exactly which way they are going on this. Pointed reminders of US and Filipino partnership are made, and the US offers to evacuate them if the Filipinos are prepared to declare neutrality and withdraw from the SCT and to reinforce them if the Philippines is interested in joining the Oceanic Alliance.

The US points at the evidence that the SCT and Scandic Union are the ones trying to destablize Russia and edging the world toward war.



The Filipinos are informed that the dispute and possible coming conflict is of individual national intrest to the nations involved. As such under the SCT charter the Phillipines has no obligation whatsoever to get involved.
Therefore the Phillipines can remain neutral and still a part of the SCT.

OOC:
Basically we got ourselves into this mess and well get ourselves out.
Same goes for Burma and the UIR.

The United Islands of the Philippines declares complete neutrality and wishes to remain apart of the SCT. It does not wish to start any form of conflict. Too long have these shores been ravaged by wars and we wish only an era of peace for our country for the rest of the 20th century.

The UIP also wishes to convey to President Kennedy that our long history has been one of peace and wishes to continue to allow soldiers on it's shores as long as the US does not use the UIP as a staging point for war. We wish total neutrality and would find it hurtful to be used to attack anyone else.

Elections are to be held during the year of 1962 for the House.

THe elections for the House have been concluded. The House seems to be filled with a rather large amount of members. 350 members have been enacted together in a large amount of gusto. The presidential party took a mild hit as the people decided that not enough was done for defense.

House Compliments:
Democratic Nationalists: 192 Members
Federalists: 158 Members

The business industry asks for a boost in the electronics industry, in order to better accimilate the new nuclear power given from China.

"YOu ingrates." THe old man with his sleeve tucked under, shwoing he was a veteran of one of the wars. "WIthout them the country would be under."

"Yeah of course they'd take care of a colony. What else than self interest? And then they sent us a wonderful gift of freedom. SUch a wonderful little gift. Then they treat us like their little brother who doesn't know any better. And whine and complain instead of compromising. THis ain't the old days." The youthful speaker stated to his older counterpart.

It was small, not too large. A group of counter protestors in front of the American held Subric bay. They were peaceful, not over a hundred, and probably just for yelling at eachother. The younger generation being pro-Chinese while the older generation, remembering the war, being pro-United States. They were loud, probably an entertaining end to monotony for the US troops stationed there.

The Prime Minister of Japan, Hiroshi Aki, would like to visit the Phillipines in a tour around Asia.

OOC: no RP'ing, just some sight-seeing, no war sites oviously, just to boost PR

(Ok that's fine. He'd probably see the country working, with a few protestors on the US bases, and mostly Manila growing along with Quezon City.)

The new Legistlative branch starts the debate on the nuclear weapons issue. Some think that the Philippines should get some for their protection, while others wish to take a high ground and refuse the country from having any at all. THe high ground seems to be winning due to the belief that nuclear weapons are an affront against god, and that in order to speak for a Nuclear ban, nuclear weapoins must be banned inside the UIP.

The new Legistlative branch starts the debate on the nuclear weapons issue. Some think that the Philippines should get some for their protection, while others wish to take a high ground and refuse the country from having any at all. THe high ground seems to be winning due to the belief that nuclear weapons are an affront against god, and that in order to speak for a Nuclear ban, nuclear weapoins must be banned inside the UIP.

the US agrees not to bring in nuclear weapons to its bases at Subic Bay and Clark Field (which at this point are just logistical and training stations, not used for active forces)

The UIP thanks the United States for respecting the wishes of the Filipino people.

The president hurts his knee while playing soccer with his family. It's a minor injury that will be healed rather quickly.

New units begin training, new recruits easily found as the younger generation finds service as a way of nationalism.

just a note, I think you have the ability to make A-bombs because of your nuclear reactors

Ahhh but poltically the country is making a statement by not making them.

The hull of the new Filipino carrier nears completion enough to put her into the water.

The new special forces units prepare for a review in Manila to be interred into service.

The Philipino navy is put on alert to watch for submarines. It starts a picket line around the island nation, only merchant ships are allowed through, which are inspected for anything dangerous.

The Filipino airforce and civil defense are put on alert. The poplaces are put on alert to run into shelters should attacks be launched by anyone. The Reserve Garrison units are put on alert along with the flak units.

"Alright First Platoon. Move those bags over there." Lt. Hernandez looked pale as he ordered his unit to start mounting bags and leading traffic into a safer arena. People were finding places away from the areas in danger. Long roads of people ordered to smaller cities away fromt he production of Manila and Quezon City. QUezon actually has more people evacuating due to it's large population than Manila. THe capitol seems to be much easier to evacuate. The First Platoon of the 1st Division of the new Corps had just begun training. Lt. Hernandez had only worn his bars for a few weeks before the corp had been ordered to evacuate the cities. Most of the men were just training to march in step. Now the boys who had been training were evacuating civilians from the two major production centers to the rural areas of the country.

2nd Division was sitting in a clearing, working to get their city evacuated. The US marine bases were being watched carefully. Though not having any units directly in front of them, the UIP marines were prepared to act against any hostile action. The suspicion wasn't pervating in the people. Many Filipino troops had a sort of spri di corp with their American counterparts, wondering waht they might be doing, and then asking for help to evacuate. Soldiers mingled as new recruits found their common interests. Whether the commandants would accept it was their business.

The soldiers of the 1st Corp, tired and out of breath slowly get their US counterparts organized to leave. The closing of the bases not even on their minds as too much of a shock at current events, even with the safety of their country.

The people of the Philippines sat near their radios and televisions. Many in camps watched it on a larger TV set up by the military. The President looke dtired as he sat down, looking towards his country. "Today, the nations of CHina and the UESA were attacked by nuclear armaments of the United States. A coup took over that nation, and sent warheads towards their location."

He leaned forward, taking a drink of water and a large breath. "The UIP has suffered no nuclear blasts. Nuclear fallout has not reached us thanks to prevailing winds and the currents that for centuries have warmed our island nation. And yet we find ourselves in a strange perdicament. Our nation is one of the SCT nations that have not been phased by nuclear war. The RUssian government has arisen to the aid of the SCT, and has started a huge relief effort to help our allies. THis has shown a relization towards God and for humanity. We must answer this call as well. Panic has siezed the worlds economy. And while we were occupied with getting our children and families into safety, the world economy went mad."

He looked directly into the camera. "We shall do no such thing. Our nation's economy has been on the rise recently, and it shall remain that way. Banks that were closed to the current crisis of nuclear attack shall be organized and safe. THe government shall until neccessary keep food production at a constanst. National stores shall be used to feed our people no matter what."

"Now comes a challenge from the world and god to see how the Filipino people handle adversity. We will unite to feed the vicitims of this Holocaust perpetrated against China and the USEA. We will help feed our allies. The wild lush rural lands of the Philippines that has fed us with a bounty shall now help to feed those who would starve without us. I request from my people a national effort to feed the hungry of CHina. I request the factory workers to return and work. I request the bankers and businessmen to continue to flourish and grow. I request that farmers and their neighbors help to get a huge yeild for our people. We will spend every effort. The people of the Philippines, our past is behind us, our future is ahead of us. We are from now on Pacific Islanders. The thought of any hold to the US has been torn from us. Australia will be our key to the west. OUr prejudices must be torn apart. OUr former friendships not held against the truth."

He sighed. "Now for the current few days, I have issued orders for the navy to continue to patrol our waters in case of any successive attack by the US against the remaining US submarines. I have also ordered the civil defense to remain high, and the air command to patrol our skies. THe army will be ordered with the police to keep order. I ask the people of the UIP for one thing. To help work and fill merchant ships arriving from the Americas with food. To feed the vicitims of this tragedy. I also request that medical supplies that were prepared for our own people to be shipped to the other countries. This will be important, though we will save enough should something dasterdly be done to us. I ask for your strength, with that we will represent ourselves well, and God Bless."

The President sighed as the light turned off. He felt sick, glad that Manila remained the Pearl of the East. He gulped a glass of water as he looke doutside, the light rain of what passed for late summer releaving some of the heat. Soon his ambassadors would put the charges agains the US. WHat an insane world.

People found trade less of an issue. BY the time banks opened, people crowded to get their money, but there was no rush towards the banks. Lines only went to the doors, not to the end of the street. Some of the smaller banks went belly under, but most of the well established banks were fine. Others saw the calm of the government, and the relief of not getting destroyed left a small amount of shock.

Currently the Filipino Army seems to be moving to the relife effort of CHina and INdochina. The airforce is still kept at high alert with the Civil Defense. THe navy starts to move it's ships back to shore, the patrols tappering off to half their original alerts.

The people themselves are told to keep in their jobs and try to return to normalcy. The only warning to be in the sound of sirens that will be early warning of fallout headed towards certain areas.

Those in the trade industry are taking hard hits economically due to the continued war efforst in Europe and loss of certain SCT units. THe electronics industry reaches stagnation as it's funding is cut.

The space industry still works as Panay prepares to keep it's schedule and as it's funding remains completely the same.

The little boost in the automobile industry helps keep that afloat as thankfully the auto companies who saved their government stipend are now using it to stay afloat.

The rural electrification program starts, employing those who have lost their jobs and making sure to keep people fed. It also helps farmers increase production as new machines are capable of being made to make a larger food yeild.

Currently the Philippines has kept it's economy stable, trying to find new markets for their products in their closest neighbors of Indonesia and Australia. A US dependent market at all will be seperated and hopefully other western powers can be made into friends as well. The government officials tied to the earlier US administration have kept quite due to the extremelly tarnished repuation. The SPanish/Native population starting to find that alot of little stories have been kept out of their history books.

New books start to appear along with essays that state the lesser known American atrocities during the Guerrilla war of 1900-1902. It shows even more evils that the government enacted as well as the promises of Perry during the Spanish American War to allow them to be free. Freedom that had been given Cuba and denied the Philippines. More stories seem to appear as even more thoughts and betrayels of the United States start to come to light. The flood of information of the evils that were done by the US troops in getting rid of the Japanese start to come to light. Towns destroyed during the war by US troops and planes because of information that was warped and instead killed civilians. Dozens of different stories.

(Which actually happened in the 19th century and WWII and most likely happened in the E20 world no matter what. And didn't come out til the 1970's. Here with the whole events the flood of information would come sooner.)

THe electronics industry starts to foward it's concerns over a lack of funding. The rest of the country feels more secure as a new form is ratified to link the SOuthern Hemisphere with it's neighbors for an Alliance and Economic pact. Perhaps the economic drought will improve between the four countries. Hope at least is blossomed.

Oil shipments get disrupted due to the radiation coming into the South Asia sea. Fishing gets switched to the other end of the spectrum, the little part of the Philipinnes getting radiation being sparsley populated. The few people who do live in the Spratley islands kept in shelters until the winds turn to a more favorable area.

The oil shortage doesn't hit that hard. Oil reserves are put into practice and in truth the country has never been overly dependent on oil. It's spent it's oil within limits, and many people ride bikes to work. Bike jams have been known, but cars are usually for going into the countryside. And trains can still be used for that. A few wealthy individuals and middle Class get annoyed with gas prices that seem to go up. BUt for the working class, what real effect is it that gas has turned to $1.50 per gallon. THey just get on their bikes and go to work.

A possible attack by Pakistan despite the neutrality of the Philippines puts the government in a tough position. The help of the principle SCT members took precedence, but the marine units must be capable of holding onto the country as a whole. Hopefully their shall be no need as their are a number of naval ships on alert that will hopefully keep any aggressive Pakistani actions back.

THe Navy sets up a picket line outside of the Islands. Immigrants will be taken and put into a filing system. Bearucrats expect to be putting new names into computers and other equipment while civilians and the church prepare to help with an influx of people.

So guess the carrier will be done by 1970.

The wave of CHinese immigrants, many by ship, but others coming in skiffs, were helped ashore by the Filipino Navy, and then put into the care of the Catholic church and UIP Marines.

Bishop Edualgo stood over an old CHinese woman. He looked dishevled, something his holiness normally tried to avoid. He held her hand as her children watched in silence. He gulped as he spoke Latin, giving her absolution. A debate had been raging in the Catholic Church for a Second Vatican, but the state of the world had cut off many Catholic nations from eachother. He knew tons of Filipinos taking vacations to talk to the Pope. Some would agree with this second Vatican, others not. He didn't really care. A woman was dying in his arms, and he wanted in her last seconds to be the kingdom of heaven.

Private Joe So watched as he helped a young lady off the boat she'd travelled miles in. She helped her little brothers and sisters off. All in all there were about 5 of them. Private So had come from China a decade ago with his parents. They'd seen the opprotunity in the growing nation and wanted their son to be far from the old country. Now the old country was visiting, and he didn't know if he liked the state of things.

The Philippines took nearly two years to get it's new immigrants settled. They were given jobs, and allowed tax free paychecks for nearly half a year before the government started to treat them normally. It allowed them to build or find homes. Many found the city of QUezon. Many had moved away from the city in the early 50's for the more promising Manila. Now the city that could house a million and only have nearly 50,000 exploded in a new Chinese population. The original store owners who had tried to get workers, found an abundance of new workers. The city had shingles raised as renters had wanted and begged for people to take their buildings or go bankrupt.

THe President sighed as he looked at the wave of people. He'd aged years in a few months. The disallusion of the United States, the amount of people trying to get ashore. "Get a detail to arm some of the Chinese and set up an interm unit. Muster it in." He sighed, as the lines of people walking to the trucks continued.

Kolkata (Capital of India): January, 1970, the Floor of the Indian Parliament

President/Prime Minister Indira Ghandi in a Foreign Policy speech makes it very clear that formal relations will not be restored with the Philippines until the Republic of India receives an official apology from President Carlon Wong for the Philippines "grave insult to brave and noble Vanara Sena Revolutionaries who overthrew the foul regime of General Ayub Khan."

An ancient man, in his 80's and dressed in a faded yellow hat, his uniform that of a common laborer during the early part of the century. His diplomatic enterauge was no one, and his aged face took time to feel anything as he spoke low. It was broadcast on the television network.

"Today I have been charged by the President to speak to the people of the Philippines. I am Santiago Horendez. I am 83 years old and I served with the men of the rebellion of 04. We Filipino's are not Imperial people. We have been on the bootheel of two empires, that of SPain, and the United States. Conquered, our revolution ended in a stalemate that we eventually had to listen too. Then the Japanese invaded. Our soul has been tramped upon by invader after invader. And we have prevailed by the grace of God."

He coughed. "Now, another former occupied country wishes for us to apologize for asking them to show us a sense of order. They have taken great insult at our request. ANd they continue to do so. I wonder if we would have taken such insult when we were fighting the Spanish, Americans, and Japanese in our jungles if another country had asked us for order. But..." He looked serious all of a sudden. "We must remember that we are not clean. Our rebellion was bloody. Many innoccents died. Perhaps if television had existed we would have been bothered. The President currently has not the ability to apologize. So, I am here today to do it for the country. An old rebel to a new country, we never meant insult. We did horrible things in a just revolution, you did many horrible things in a just revolution. Therefore, that is what I am here to say. I apologize. Whether India wishes to see an old man as worthwhile to listen too. THen I shall be grateful. May God grant us peace in this time. I have seen too much war." He slowly and painfully got off the stand.

The Indian Government ignores the inane ramblings of some old hick and waits for President Carlon Wong’s apology. (The Indian Government does not say anything positive, negative or even acknowledge the old man, they just remain quiet and keep waiting.)

President WOng:

Today I have sent an old Patriot to speak. Obviously India does not care for old Patriots. I therefore wish to state that no diplomatic status will exist between India and the UIP. IN fact today I have rescinded the UIP's recognition of India as a country. TO us, they do not exist. THank you.

President WOng:

Today I have sent an old Patriot to speak. Obviously India does not care for old Patriots. I therefore wish to state that no diplomatic status will exist between India and the UIP. IN fact today I have rescinded the UIP's recognition of India as a country. TO us, they do not exist. THank you.

ooc
I may have missed something but India kicked your diplomats out in the first place because the Philippines chose to condemn the Hindu revolutionaries and indicated future recognition required India to act according to Filipino standards. Which would be grounds for insult in that kind of situation (fair or not, revolutionaries are known for being touchy). I don't recall Filipino recognition since then either.

(I did after they kicked out the diplomats. Short term thing. You probably missed it)

When asked an official at the Indian Foreign Ministry points out that India at that time did not have an Embassy in the Philippines or anywhere in the world. The Government of the Philippines apparently kicked out the Pakistani Ambassador and his staff for some reason.

(Actually I never did.) The Pakistani Embassy still stands with it's regular flag, though many are no men without a country. It's really a defunct area. News networks take up the story as a human interest peice. Also it's where a new Filipino Band does a concert for world peace or something along those lines.

1967: The Philippines stops the immigrant relocation program in order to use it's shipping for trade with it's new allies.

QUezon City begins to boom from a new influx of CHinese immigrants.

Filipino Youth Culture Booms as bands from Australia and Dislocated Chinese become media sensations.

"Beach Red" a film written by an American, but taken by the Filipino Film Industry hits theatres. Filmed on the SPratley Islands.

1968: THe new President is sworn in for his 6 year term. The large influx of Chinese, and the large nationalist sentiment allows for the CHinese President WOng to take the presidency for the Democratic-Nationalists. Strangely the Federalists still retain a 45% represenation inside the Congress and Senate. The old party of the US was not the Federalists, and so both parties have no ties with it.

Anti-New US countries protests go through the cities, but the government ignores some of them. Student protests on the nuclear prolifieration of new nations is heard, and other demonstrations turn violent when police officers use billy clubs with abandon.

The government is able to quell most of the problems as the economy starts to recover more and fruitfullness of the South Seas Alliance start to show.It promises that the National Effort will end in 1969. 1970 will be a normal Market Year.

The Philipines is aproached by the Scandic government and Saab representatives about the possiblity of purchasing the Viggen all weather fighter. The Viggen(comes out in 68) is the best fighter on the market(seriously). The only fighter in the world that is better is the Columbian Eagle(which the Columbians are refusing to sell to anyone, even their fellow Americans). The SU has already made sails to your allies in Japan, China, the UIR and now Korea and would be willing to sell as many aircraft as you want for 4 points a piece.

Stats:

Viggen air combat 18, strike 2, range medium, cost 4, maintenance 1, all weather fighter (Sweden)

Stats of next closest fighter aircraft on the market(Other than Columbian Eagle which is not on the market):
F14A Tomcat air combat 16, interceptor 20, strike 1, range medium, cost 6, maintenance 2, all weather fighter / interceptor, heavy carrier capable (which increases costs of heavy air groups by 2, and maintenance by 1)

Mig 21S air combat 16, strike 2, range short, STOL capable, cost 3, maintenance .5 (Poland)


Stats of the F4G Phantom in use by the Russian's(And I believe the Australians):

F4G Phantom Air combat 15, strike 5, range medium, all weather fighter bomber, US (Texas, Columbia, New England, Huron)



OOC: I know, I shamelessly copied the same post but it o well its what I got.

The FIlipino would be interested in buying such a fighter as we are currently planning to expand out airforce. And such a well made fighter would be nice. We can afford 2 Units at this time. It can be apart of the 1970 budget. We'd also like to buy more in the future if you have them.

The SU would be willing to sell as many as the Philipines would like, we would also be willing to sell any other piece of equipment, from transport aircraft to ships and submarines.

SIC: The SU also offers to provide pilots who fought in the Twilight War to help train up Filipino pilots with all the lessons they learned.

Would you be willing to sell a Nuclear Attack Sub for 5 Points? We will build our own conventional one if not. Our Navy needs to be beefed up.

The Scandic Union can build and sell 3rd Generation nuclear attack subs if needed.

(Just need to know what year and how many)

Well we can build them as well, but we only have 5 points. And we do not wish the SU to build them for us at a loss. So we will probably jsut build conventional ones due to cost.

We can sell you a Second Generation SSN for 5 points.

Well we can build them as well, but we only have 5 points. And we do not wish the SU to build them for us at a loss. So we will probably jsut build conventional ones due to cost.

Actually, we have the capacity to build nuclear attack subs as well, possibly 2nd Generation, and we do need some cash. How about an installment plan for 2.5 points a year?

(What's the difference between it and regular Conventional Submarine Force if I built it?)

Well we can build them as well, but we only have 5 points. And we do not wish the SU to build them for us at a loss. So we will probably jsut build conventional ones due to cost.

We would be willing to accept payment in installments for a 3rd generation SSN.(5 points one year, 5 the next)

(There only 6 or so.)

SSK's are diesel/electric submarines and come in groups of 5. They can't hold cruise missiles and have shorter cruising periods

Alright, we will buy one 3rd Generation and will pay 5 at this time, and 5 points upon delivery in 1971.

Lol say submarines and I'm covered in offers. Lol.

Alright, we will buy one 3rd Generation and will pay 5 at this time, and 5 points upon delivery in 1971.

Lol say submarines and I'm covered in offers. Lol.

The Scandic Union is happy to have made another deal with the Philipines.

OOC: 2nd Generation SSN's are 6

President Wong looked at the shabby man. He looked to be a peanut vendor of some sort or another. Who really knew with these people. He'd served in the Third Great War, and he proved how the UIP got it's information. THey didn't have an intelligence network formally like the CIA or anything like that. What they did have was a large group of spies who didn't know who was who. That meant less conglomorated information, but it also meant the entire network was almost impossible to catch. No spy captured knew what the other was doing. THis one was smiling as if he'd just discovered a woman naked.

"So. WHat have you got for me?" THe President sat in his chair. The man grinned as he threw a packet on the desk. "The Indian's Balls sir. If they want peace, we'll use it to beat them over the head. I'd like to see their PR get out of this one."

President Wong opened the packet, looking in as he went through the pictures. He then opened another one and read. It was a rather nasty peice of spywork. No one could deny that. If this got out, it would definetly hurt India. But... not right now. To spring it at this moment would be stupid. He nodded towards the spy. Yes no formal network was bad, but he doubted any formal network could have got into a photographer's studio or found out the missing records from the embassy. They'd be too high profile. WHo'd bother a peanut vendor or other vendor. Well this certaintly was interesting.

The Panay Launch Site requests the building of an X-20 space launcher, and starts to train men for a moon mission in 1972. It may not be the first, but the Philippines will make sure that it launchs someone near the moon, soon.

X20 type (tech level 7.5) 2 man crew (usually 1) cost 15, maintenance 5 plus 4 points for each mission. Can fly up to once a month. Can be armed with 2 missiles (light missiles with small nuclear warheads)

Build in 1971: Communications satellite network. Costs 6 points. Requires large ICBM technology plus satellite technology. Provides a 5% bonus to commerce (which can exceed the usual maximum). A satellite network can provide coverage for up to 200 million customers in either the northern or southern hemisphere or both depending on orbit.

Build in 1972: Improved Communications satellite network. Costs 12 points. Requires large ICBM technology plus satellite technology plus communications satellite technology plus 12 points research. Provides a 10% bonus to commerce , which can exceed the normal maximum and is not cumulative with normal satellite bonus). To reach tech level 8, a nation must either own, or be paying part of the cost of an Improved communications satellite network (replaces requirement for man in orbit for tech level 8). This network also increases the combat value of units that have access to this network by 25% if they are facing units that don't have access to an improved communications satellite network. Improved satellite networks can provide coverage to up to 200 million people in either or both hemispheres depending on orbit.

Build in 1971: Communications satellite network. Costs 6 points. Requires large ICBM technology plus satellite technology. Provides a 5% bonus to commerce (which can exceed the usual maximum). A satellite network can provide coverage for up to 200 million customers in either the northern or southern hemisphere or both depending on orbit.

Build in 1972: Improved Communications satellite network. Costs 12 points. Requires large ICBM technology plus satellite technology plus communications satellite technology plus 12 points research. Provides a 10% bonus to commerce , which can exceed the normal maximum and is not cumulative with normal satellite bonus). To reach tech level 8, a nation must either own, or be paying part of the cost of an Improved communications satellite network (replaces requirement for man in orbit for tech level 8). This network also increases the combat value of units that have access to this network by 25% if they are facing units that don't have access to an improved communications satellite network. Improved satellite networks can provide coverage to up to 200 million people in either or both hemispheres depending on orbit.

Is this just the Phillipines or is it as part of the ASA? Because if it's the latter I handle ASA builds and projects.
If it is the former then the ASA personell at the Panay launch site will refuse to co-operate.

It's an independent expansion of the Philippines so it can be more indepdent space vehicle wise so that if we have another major disaester, the ASA won't be crippled because it only has two or three countries with alot of capability.

It's an independent expansion of the Philippines so it can be more indepdent space vehicle wise so that if we have another major disaester, the ASA won't be crippled because it only has two or three countries with alot of capability.

In that case the ASA personnel at the Panay site will refuse to co-operate as it's essentially the Fillipino government taking over their stuf and their research.
Don't expect Japan and Korea to be too pleased when they find out either.
Becasue you basically using their contribution for your own gain.

Actually it was totally seperate of ASA funds. It was an additional to the normal funds allocated to the ASA to expand their production. It's at the total cost of the government. Remember the Philippines is trying to not be everyone's "little brother"

Nigeria quietly informs the Phillipines that should it withdraw it's recognition of India at any point Ngieria will follow suit against the Phillipines and withdraw all diplomatic staff.

The UIP thanks Nigeria for it's support, but that the UIP is trying to not be as divisive in Asia as before, and is trying to see what India's reactions are. If they continue in their arrogancy, we will be happy to support such an issue. (Secret Comunique to Nigeria.)

Due to the disolution of the SSA by Malaysia and Indonesia, or the kicking out of the UIP by those two countries, it is impreitive for a boost in the naval arm. Military spending shall be raised, with the naval arm to get a large boost in the next decade.

The Congress of the Philippines convenes and finally ends it's debate on whether to take the Filipino-American Friendship Day of July 4th off the books (Before known as Independence Day until 1960 when that was changed to June 14th in connection with the 1898 Independence.) The Congress with a 67% to 33% margin voted to keep the holiday, but to transfer it to a Friendship of all Americans and not just the former United States.

The Coast Guard mobilises fully, going to full alert and setting out to sea. The news doesn't report why, but on the Eve of Easter it's not a good sign.

The UIP thanks Nigeria for it's support, but that the UIP is trying to not be as divisive in Asia as before, and is trying to see what India's reactions are. If they continue in their arrogancy, we will be happy to support such an issue. (Secret Comunique to Nigeria.)

OOC: He means if you break relations with India he breaks them WITH YOU.

(Oh... well don't plan to any time soon.)

Congressman Ferdinand Marcos and several high ranking military leaders begin talking to several Filipino big business leaders on a vacation in the Columbian island of Guam.

Marcos, who earned several medals during the Third Great War while serving in the US Army's 26th "Philippine" Division, is well respected by conservative and military leaders.

(About?????)

(About?????)

ooc
I am going to assume your President authorizes an investigation if you are interested enough to find out. There are political risks of course (consider the consequences if Bush ordered the FBI to investigate Kerry during the Presidential election or Hillary Clinton just because she probably is going to run)

Essentially a rumor that he is up to no good has reached you. But that is all you know at the present

I assume you know about the RL person, but if not, read up on him

also keep in mind that in this game players can allocate points and send me instructions to carry out covert operations

(OOC: Oh... ok. I'll read up on him. By the way if you were curious about why the Coast Guard went on alert. I decided I didn't want to wait for 17 years for it to happen. So I am going to have the DOna Paz diseaster happen in 1970 rather than 1987. Same problems in 1970 with ferries in this Philippines as in the real one in the 1980's. Haven't built giant bridges between all the islands. It'd cost too much. THis Philippines would be as dependent on ferries as the real one. Personally I see so few diseaster's in this world. If there was a Titanic in this one I'd like to see the post to see how it was handled. If not, well I am adding a diseaster.

OHHH!! The Marco's Dicatorship that didn't end til 1986. I remember that. And someone is paying you points? I can gamble on who it is too. BUTT!!! I'll not guess and be wrong. Besides my intelligence network doesn't start formally until 1971.)

President Wong looks at some of the notes coming in. A meeting called to some of the prime businessmen of his country isn't something to be lacadasical with. The Zaibatsu, China, and India have become dictatorships that threaten the world, and to have head businessmen in such a group is alarming. Of course the FNI is not even created yet. It's budget set for 1971. With the current problems with the court accords on the "Dona Paz" Incident have the country in a tizzy, keeping it limited to only Filipino News Networks has been trying. ANd if the rumors are true, the Philippines has one of the worst diseasters of all time on it's hands.

He looks to his forms. A few private spies work for the President. It's how intelligence has worked since the Revolutionaries of 1905. He wrapped his finger's on his chair. Best to send them looking, no paperwork that way. The FNI would be scrutinized, but he'd get some research privatly first.

Already the Democratic-Nationalists, and the Federalists have started discussions on the next presidential election. Both seemed to be debating on who will represent in 1974, and they especcially want to be veiwed as supportive of diversity.

Current Prospects-
Federalists: Diosdado Macapagal
Benigno Aquino Jr.
Democratic-Nationalists: Juan Ponce Enrile
Fernando Lopez

With the current destabilization and a world of possible enemies in the country, the debate of repealing the Nuclear Ban in the Philippines is debated. Current issues could be made to create bombs with the knowledge made by the power plant.

The fear of living surrounded by enemies actually gleans some support. The wartime movements of the combined fleets makes people even more warry.

It's not published, but the votes are put in, passing the repeal of the ban.

With the current destabilization and a world of possible enemies in the country, the debate of repealing the Nuclear Ban in the Philippines is debated. Current issues could be made to create bombs with the knowledge made by the power plant.

The fear of living surrounded by enemies actually gleans some support. The wartime movements of the combined fleets makes people even more warry.

It's not published, but the votes are put in, passing the repeal of the ban.

The Indochinese govenment notes with concern the developing situation in the Phillipines.
The Fillipinos are advised to stand back from the current situation and look at their relations with the foreigen powers that surround them.
It is sugeested that maybe diplomatic overtures be made reconcile the Phillipines with their former allies in the west (Columbia)

The Philippines informs Indochina that the problem is not to the East (Columbia) but to the West. Currently the UIP is surrounded by an unsecure rear because of Malaysia, Indonesia, and Australasia. And that the new Pacific Rim surrounds it. Peace talks will be diplomatically sought, but if not other resources must be gained for the people of the Philippines to be secure.

Besides, it's not like anyone cared about the Nuclear Ban in the UIP. In fact by declaring it we were seen as arrogant. The shining light turned into a crusty example instead.

The event of the DOna Paz is finally released to outside sources by the Filipino Media. The DOna Paz was a ferry, out from LUzon to Manila as the people flocked for Good Friday Services. The Oil Tanker Vandez was sailing in the same area. At around 4pm the Tanker ran into the Ferry, causing a massive fire on the ship. The Tanker's fire spread to the ferry, cuasing a massive inflation.

Early reports are based on the manifest, the 1,580 mark being over the ferries maximum weight, but only by about 70 people.

This changes as reports from families and other businesses start to rise, and the overweight of the ferry starts to come into focus. 27 Ferry Boat people survive, and the reports of the crowding of the Dona Paz come into focus. The figure rises, and after weeks of deliberation the Coast Guard Authority is forced to report. "We believe currently that over 4,000 people have been killed. This is the worst diseaster of a civilian vessel ever.

(An actual event. The only differences is that it happened in 1987, and it was Christmas, not good Friday.)

Debates still rage about what to do in Asia. Current panics on losing a major safety net has allowed the nation to remain quiet on the main stage. It seems being moral isn't on people's lists in the rest of the world. And a moral country is called arrogant and foolish.

The Philippines decides to remain silent to the outside world because of this. Chinese citiziens hold a support for China rally, but the government doesn't take notice positive or negative. The people can do what they wish.

News of the debate over nuclear arms (though not the result) reach Australasian shores. Numerous political commentators note that Australia has absolutely no hostile intent toward the Philippines but that the nervous saber rattling in that nation may end up provoking the very actions it is designed to protect itself against.

ooc: this is not a good idea i dont think. If nothing else, we are all going to burn more points on military spending than we need to...

OOC: So I should just be happy with no allies and sit back until someone with a navy decides I make a nice naval base? And I need a military in the first place.

IC: The debate stops after the appeal, the notion from Australasia that it means no harm being seen as an apology from a nation that should have stuck up for a friend, and instead quietly let the world dump on the Philippines. It's also shown that no condolences were sent to the UIP by Australasia for the DOna Paz disaeaster.

Australasia is told that it's not Austrailia that is the problem, but instead their apathy that is the problem. Would they stop an enemy fleet from travelling their waters to invade the Philippines? Would they allow the Philippines to turn to other endeavors so they were assured outside forces wouldn't invade?

(In truth someone should have said something about the disaester. )

The repeal seems to become a new issue as the Federalists bring it up again for a newer election year. Many feel that repealing the Nuclear Ban is tantamount to traitorious reasoning, and that the enlargment of the navy should be enough.

Many Chinese who experienced nuclear war firsthand do not wish to see it happen in their own country. Many see the Australians as weak willed, and if god had given them a better ally they would take it, but that the Australians are the best that they've got at the moment.

Strangelly the Nuclear Ban comes under scrutiny again. THis time with a small enuncment that it will not be repealed without a full national vote. This makes the debate even longer as it takes months to get it hammered out. Eventually it is accepted to be law as the Nuclear Ban returns to law after a strange year and a half of being repealed. Mostly the Chinese vote helped it.

All of this is openly reported, with no bans on it, so that it becomes common knowledge after the Ban is returned. The fact that the Philippines almost got nuclear weapons out of desperation might make others look warily at the Philippines, or maybe show that despite desperation they thought moderalty. Knowing the way the world works, no one will care. (Which is alot tamer than what I originally wrote.)

OOC: So I should just be happy with no allies and sit back until someone with a navy decides I make a nice naval base? And I need a military in the first place.

IC: The debate stops after the appeal, the notion from Australasia that it means no harm being seen as an apology from a nation that should have stuck up for a friend, and instead quietly let the world dump on the Philippines. It's also shown that no condolences were sent to the UIP by Australasia for the DOna Paz disaeaster.

Australasia is told that it's not Austrailia that is the problem, but instead their apathy that is the problem. Would they stop an enemy fleet from travelling their waters to invade the Philippines? Would they allow the Philippines to turn to other endeavors so they were assured outside forces wouldn't invade?

(In truth someone should have said something about the disaester. )

In truth, Australia would defend the Philippines from a foreign invasion--the current power balance in the South Pacific is most favorable to us. But at this point words mean less than actions, something Australasia has been seriously lacking in over the past year or so.

If the Philippines were to more seriously condemn China for its egregious actions against Tibet and Kashgaria, a renewed South Seas Alliance would be considered much more seriously. As things stand now, the fears of Indonesia and Malyasia seem far too acurate a portrayal of things.

An embarrassed Canberra also issues the most sincere condolances concerning Dona Paz. The full magnitude of the disaster had not reached the nation until recently and political turmoil at home took front page status.

This letter seems much more secretive, as if the Philippines were concerned immensilly with it remaining for Canberra's eyes only. "Currently the reason the UIP does not comment on the government of China's invasion has to do with two reasons.

A: The Chinese population of the Philippines has become extremelly supportive of the Chinese plight and considers this a bully of the west abusing China. To avoid this issue entirely, the Filipino government has allowed them to demonstrate, and therefore make the support mostly symbolic. We believe Australasia can understand our concern, especcially with the riots during the 1960's. Our country has even more diverse a population. And we do not want our Chinese citiziens to rise up against their government.

B: China currently has treaties with the Spratley Islands. These are extremelly important to the Philippines for resources. Were China to retract their support for those islands, then we would quickly lose solidarity. Also it seems the more we open our mouths, the more we are verbally attacked by nations such as India or others who wish us to be nothing more than a colony.

In this we find ourselves in a lose-lose situation. We can not act in any way. We would be willing to speak these concerns privatly to the Indonesian and Malaysian representatives. Currently the Federalist Party squashed an attempt to bring us to full nuclear proliferation. But concern is that the longer we are without allies, the more radical the people will become. Right now, we have bought a decade, perhaps two.

If you still believe we should raise an outcry against the Chinese for their actions, we remind you what happened when we made an outcry to the United States about their holocaust. What did the world do then? Ignored us at best, shunned us on average, became hostile at worst.

Prime Minister Sinclair slowly closed the letter, folded it in half and moved it to his left breast pocket. He was quiet for a moment, then stood. He scribbled a note on a scrap of paper, then made a direct call to President Wong.

If I could guarantee its security, could the letter in my possession be forwarded to Malyasia and Indonesia?

He smiled.

I do believe that Australasia may have something to work with here....

"Wait one second." President Wong stated as a metallic sound came and something sounded as if it was powering down, and then bleeped to mark it'd been shut off. "We've had a few bothersome calls. I don't think this needs to be recorded."

He coughed. " And by guaruntee I gather that only their governments would be able to read it." He thought. The letter was typed, in double print and seemed inaccious. It could have been copied by anyone. It's stationary extremelly fine tuned to be easily deniable. "Alright, you may forward the letter. Though I am bound to ask about your idea."

Korea sends condolences for the Dona Paz disaster, and offers to sell aircraft to the UIP to help bolster its defenses.

What model aircraft? Currently the M III's will be sent to the reserves when they can be replaced.

And we thank you for the condolences. We hope that our current investigations can help make ferries in other countries safer so that they do not have such disaesters. (In real history it doesn't and in truth I am waiting for Europe or the United States to have a huge loss of life because of it.)

What model aircraft? Currently the M III's will be sent to the reserves when they can be replaced.

And we thank you for the condolences. We hope that our current investigations can help make ferries in other countries safer so that they do not have such disaesters. (In real history it doesn't and in truth I am waiting for Europe or the United States to have a huge loss of life because of it.)

The J10 fighter. It beats out most other types in cost, and it still has good interception and strike capabilities. Plus, its cheaper to maintain.

How does it hold up against the F-15 or the Viggen fighter?

It can hold its own against the Viggen. As for the F15 series, good pilots and multiple units of J10s may be used against them.

What will you be charging for them?

Maritime News: The Dona Paz Accident has been resolved in Superior Court, citing the Ferry Company for Gross Negligence in overstuffing it's ferries for profit. This has been seen as willful, and a large sum of money shall be fined to the company to pay to the grieving families. Total death toll is still around 4200, but no one is really sure.

At this time other deficiencies in the Filipino Seafaring Ferry System have been brought to light. All the Good Captains going to foriegn Shipping, Overcrowded Ferries, Old SHips kept out of Standard, Untrained Crews, Crowded Shipping Lanes.

All of these shall be addressed in new laws to be passed by the current congress.

A very small amount.

OOC: J10's are 1 point for a unit, and .25 for matenance.

Let me put them into the 1973 budget I suppose after I look at the stats.