NationStates Jolt Archive

Welcome to Shattered Worlds, an alternate history RP begining just after the Confederate-Unionist armistice, overseen by the French and British governments. However, there have been other changes. Namely, Germany has been united over twenty years ago under the Confederation of the Rhine(now the German Confederation, under Prince Napoleon, son of Jermone Bonaparte, not to mention the Chancellor, Count Bismarck). There is also the unsettling presence of Russia in the warm waters thanks to her Byzantine puppet, established in the late 1820s. While these things happen, the Turks wage a Jihad in Africa, and China is divided by a heretical Christian dynasty(The Tai'ping) in the south, and the liberal Europhile dynasty in the north(the Xiang).

Timeline:
Brief Synopsis:
The year is 1865. The Confederation-Union armistice has just been signed, overseen by the French and British governments. Yet this is not something mind-bending. In Europe, tensions are slowly rising between Russia(along with her Byzantine puppet) and Britain. There is also eroding feelings in China, between the northern Xiang dynasty, and the Taipings in the south.

Timeline:

1815: Congress of Vienna. Same as OTL, with the exception that "to uphold order" the Confederation of the Rhine is kept intact. In Eastern Germany, Prussia assumes leadership over the scattered German states, doing so only after being promised Bohemia by the Austrian empire. The Confederation of the Rhine is lead by a Prince of the Bonapart house(decended from Jérôme Bonaparte, who is indeed made the 1st elector). There is a Diet elected by land-owners in Frankfurt, and a Chancellor appointed by the Prince. Switzerland is also given a monarchy, it's neutrality proclaimed.

1828-29: Russo-Turkish war. Russia, seeking her own accord against Turkey, to free the Greeks, pushes deep into Ottoman territory. By early 1829, Constantiople is captured, the Sultan fleeing to Cairo. The Great powers intervene, however it is a lost cause. From the ashes of the Ottoman yoke, a Byzantine state is created in the southern Balkans, Thrace, Greece, and Anatolia. Syria, Egypt, and the Hejaz become the rementents of the Ottoman Empire, while Persia makes quick due in Mesopatamia and parts of the Arabia pennesula.

1832-1835: The last revolts in the Byzantine empire are put down. There is a massive exodus of the Turkish population to Syria, while the Byzantine empire colonizes Anatolia with Slavs, mostly Russian peasants.

1833: South American wars redraw the map in that region.

1837: The Ottoman empire begins her expansion, following her explusion from Europe. Sudan is subdued by early 1840, Ethiopia falling by 1845. There is also expansion deeper into western Africa.

1839-1840: Opium war. Britain, seeking greater freedom of trade within China launches a war against the Qing dynasty to achieve her goals. In all her pomp, Britain sends an expeditionary force to Shanghai in 1839, which is overwealmed and defeated. Relunctantly, Britain makes peace, at the cost of being expelled from Canton, forbidden to trade in China ever again.

1843: The Japanese parition. Japan, unstable for decades under an inept government, succumbs to foreign colonialism. The so called "war" began due to Japan refusing entry to British merchants, seeking new markets after being expelled from China. The partition goes quite smoothly. Britain manages to gain a foot hold on the mainland, Russia in the Ainu north, and the Dutch breaking free from their prison at Dejima to annex the south. The Japanese isles further more became a base for Britain against China, need be.

1846: Russia annexes Afganistan, with Persian aid. Persia has slowly, over the years drifted into the Russian sphere of influence, signing an alliance at the end of the year.

1848: Revolutions of 1848. Louis-Philippe is dethroned in France, and William II of the Kingdom of the Netherlands(along with Belgium) barely holds on. In Germany, a liberal Landtag dethrones the Prussian king, and requests annexation to the Rhineish confederation. It is agreed too, and the German Confederation is formed. There are numerous electoral reforms through Europe at this time.

1850: Tai'ping rebellion. Despite defeating the west in 1840, China is highly unstable. With a loss of British trade, China rapidly fell down into poverty. Thus in the south, the Tai'ping revolt began, encouraged by the west(especially the British). By 1855, the Tai'pings have occupied Beijing and began a new dynasty. Yet their "heretical" beliefs in Christianity soon turn the west away. Russia nibbles at Manchuria and Mongolia. Britain made moves in Burma, and France in Indochina.

1853: Switzerland is paritioned by France, the Rheinish confederation, and Austria.

1855: "Year of the Three Dynasties" mocking used, quoting that in 1855, China had three dynasties. The Qing--the short lived Taiping over the whole of China, and the Xiang, in over the majority of China(not including the southern enclave of Taiping China). By 1855, all of the Imperialist powers were nibbling at the unstable Taiping China. Indeed, by the summer, a revolt led by former-Qing generals, disgrunted by Tai'ping religious policies launch a revolt, backed by European arms and money. The head of the revolt is Shu Xiang, who manages to oust his companions and occupy Beijing by the end of 1855. The Xiang empire officially begins, and a wave of rebellions push the Tai'ping into an enclave in the south. The Taipings settle for a cease-fire in 1857, unable to continue. Thus China is at peace.

1858: Rebuilding. Xiang China begins to take in loans from Europe, purchasing weaponry and offering trade concessions. Indeed, the Dutch are granted Taiwan, the British Shanghai, and the French Qingdao for their amount of aid to the new dynasty. Old rituals are banned, and the Xiang court is soon full of Europeans, rather than native Han.

1860: American Civil War begins.

1861: Italy is unified, aside from Veneto.

1862: Otto von Bismarck appointed Chancellor of Germany. In America, the Confederates win at the battle of Antietam, culminating in French recognition and intervention, despite being bogged down in Mexico and Haiti(which had been annexed in the mid 1850s).

1863: British soon decide to intervene, signing an alliance with the Confederacy, promising aid after the war. The British navy harasses American shipping and ultimately breaks the Union blockade. America also has several failed campaigns in Canada. By 1865, peace is agreed to.

*If something of super major importance(say a war) is not listed in the time-line, it most likely did not occur.

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Rules:

-It is to be a simple RP. No fact books are needed, but do try to stay realistic. You won't see the Netherlands building a 500 ship fleet, or raising an army of 5 million.

-No flaming or spamming will be tolerated.

-If you claim a nation, please play it.

-Rebel groups ARE welcome! Just check with me, first.

-I ask that not just 'nation' RPs occur. Character ones are nice too.

-Please, don't do the cliche 'super dynasty/political party' takes over and does tons of reforms, turning your nation into a super power in one year. Atleast try a little.

-1 week is a year. Fluid time will be used for meetings/wars.

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Nation Descriptions:

GENERAL TEMPLATE:

Name:
Ruler:
Government:
Capital:
Religion:
Dependencies(Puppets, Colonies, ect):
Diplomatic Agreements(Alliances, ect):
Description:

The 2nd French Empire--Claimed by Hevena
Ruler: Emperor Napoleon III
Government: Monarchy, with Authoritarian leaning
Capital: Paris
Religion: Roman Catholicism, with a growing Securlized populace.
Depenencies: Mexico, Haiti, French Antilles, Algeria, Morrocco, Senegal, Ivory Coast, Madagascar, French Guyana, and Qingdao
Diplomatic Agreements: Alliance with the CSA, Italy, Austria, Mexico, and the German Confederation, Cease-fire with the USA.
Description: Following the revolution of 1848, France became a Republic. Yet Louis Napoleon stole the spot light, becoming president, and in 1852 he was crowned emperor, and sought glory for France. Indeed, that happened. Africa was slowly colonized in the late 1850s; French Indochina was subjugated, Haiti captured, and Mexico forced to heel. France is a staunch ally of Germany, and a protector of the Confederacy and Mexico.


The German Confederation--Claimed by Lachenburg
Ruler: Prince Napoleon, with the aid of Chancellor Otto von Bismarck
Government: Aristocratic Confederation, with Manhood Suffrage.
Capital: Frankfurt
Religion: No Official religion, mostly Protestant, however.
Depenencies: N/A.
Diplomatic Agreements: Alliance with France.
Description: The German confederation was born in 1848, when a liberal revolution disposed the Prussian king and requested annexation to the Rheinish confederation. However, Germany has her problems..mainly the fact that a nation with liberal intents(The Rheinish confederation) annexed a very conservative--even reactionary nation(Prussia). Still, such problems are ignored, as the leaders of the Confederation are quite popular.

The Kingdom of the Netherlands and Belgium
Ruler: King William I
Government: Constitutional Monarchy
Capital: Amsterdam
Religion: No official religion.
Depenencies: Surinam, Netherlands Antilles, The Dutch Congo, Taiwan, Dutch Fukuoka and Indonesia
Diplomatic Agreements: N/A
Description: Forged in 1815, the Kingdom of the Netherlands barely held onto it's Belgian provinces, only aided when Britain intervened to uphold the Viennese settlement, although on the condition that the Belgians be given equal rights. It's a fairly important colonial power.

The British Empire--Claimed by WinTrees
Ruler: Queen Victoria
Government: Constitutional Monarchy
Capital: London
Religion: Angelican Christianity.
Depenencies: India, Canada, Jamaica, British Antilles, Gold Coast, Nigeria, South Africa, Aden, Oman, Signapore, Brunei, Shanghai, Honshu, Australia, New Zealand, Somali Coast, and Guyana.
Diplomatic Agreements: Alliance with the CSA and South Africa. Cease-fire with the USA.
Description: Britain rules the waves, as shown with her latest triumph over America. Still, the spectre that is the Opium wars still looms. Britain is a very powerful nation, but..anything could bring it crashing to the ground, should she become lax and lazy.

The Kingdom of Spain
Ruler: Queen Isabella II
Government: Constitutional Monarchy
Capital: Madrid
Religion: Roman Catholicism
Depenencies: Cuba, Angola, Mozambique, Azores, Madiera and Canary Islands, Sao Tome, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Mariana Islands and the Philipines.
Diplomatic Agreements: N/A
Description: Spain is slowly recovering. In the 1830s, she annexed Portugal, and slowly rebuilt her new colonies. Now she stands poised, as the great nations of Europe slowly drift towards war. The question is, who will Spain support?

The Austrian Empire
Ruler: Emperor Franz Josef
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Capital: Vienna
Religion: Roman Catholicism
Depenencies: N/A.
Diplomatic Agreements: Alliance with France and Mexico.
Description: Austria is a dying empire. In 1815, she was forced to yield land to Prussia to ensure peace, and in the 1820s was rewarded by gaining rebellious Slavic hordes in Bosnia and Serbia. 1848 was a year of doom, but Austria recovered, restoring Absolutist rule, but it was not long after that she lost most of her Italian lands to Italy, and was slowly driven to French aid, who placed a Hapsburg upon the Mexican throne. Still, Austria is in the throes of dying--the new "sick man of Europe"...


The United Scandinavian Kingdoms
Ruler: King Karl I
Government: Tri-Constitutional Monarchy
Capital: Stockholm, Oslo, and Copenhagen, respectively
Religion: Luthern Christianity.
Depenencies: N/A.
Diplomatic Agreements: N/A.
Description: When Germany unified, Denmark was driven to unification with Sweden-Norway, to protect her German duchies from greedy eyes. Such an idea was agreed too, despite the Great Powers protesting. Schleswig-Holstein is quite guarded, and the kingdom is stable.


The Kingdom of Italy
Ruler: King Victor Emmanuel
Government: Constituional Monarchy
Capital: Rome
Religion: Roman Catholicism
Depenencies: N/A.
Diplomatic Agreements: Alliance with France.
Description: Italy was unified in 1861, following a short war with the Pope. Following that, various wars had been launched against the Italian nations, resulting in a Savoy-led Italy. It still has many social problems that need fixing however, and promoting a true "Italian culture".

The Russian Empire--[NS]Zukariaa
Ruler: Tsar Alexander II
Government: Limited Monarchy. Mostly Absolutist, but the senate has been empowered.
Capital: Sankt Petersburg
Religion: Orthodox Christianity
Depenencies: Byzantine Empire, Russian Sapporro.
Diplomatic Agreements: Alliance with the Byzantine Empire, Xiang China, and Persia.
Description: Russia triumphed. She beat back Napoleon at Moscow, re-established Christian rule in the east, and is slowly opening up Asia to modernization, with the aid of Britain. Still, friction is slowly forming, and could make or break Russia. Liberalization is slowly coming, thanks to some needed reforms by Tsar Alexander II.

The Byzantine Empire--Claimed by Haneastic
Ruler: Emperor Konstantin XIII
Government: Absolute Monarchy (Russian Puppet State)
Capital: Constantiople (Tsargrad)
Religion: Orthdox Christianity
Depenencies: N/A.
Diplomatic Agreements: Alliance with Russia.
Description: Formed in the late 1820s, the Byzantine empire was a Greek dream, but a Russian ploy. With little foreign freedom, the so called "2nd empire" became nothing but a puppet, although the great powers do not know such. Still, it is a very Slavophile state. Indeed, Anatolia has been mostly replaced with Turks by Russians and other Slavs.

The Ottoman Empire--Claimed by Bat Land
Ruler: Sultan ‘Abdu’l-‘Azīz
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Capital: Cairo
Religion: Sunni Islam
Depenencies: N/A.
Diplomatic Agreements: N/A
Description: Following 1828, the Ottoman Sultans were forced into the arms of Mehmet Ali, the governor of Egypt. With cunning, a revolt killed the rebellious governor, and the Ottoman Sultan re-created his authority. Syria and the Hejaz were brought back into the Turkish yoke, and slowly Sudan and Ethiopia fell as well. There has also been recent expansion in western Africa, and it is assumed that in due time, the Ottoman empire will face Europe once more.

Qajar Persia
Ruler: Shah Nasser-al-Din
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Capital: Tehran
Religion: Shi'a Islam
Depenencies: N/A.
Diplomatic Agreements: Alliance with Russia.
Description: Persia is a rising star. While the remenets of the Turkish yoke stagnate and ignore western improvements, Persia does her best to take them in, and thus, Qajar is rapidly becoming the strongest nation in the middle east. Following the Ottoman folly, Persia annexed parts of Arabia and the whole of Mesopatamia. Many expect she will come to butt heads with Russia in due time, and many expect she has already surpassed Russian and Byzantine industrialization.

Xiang China--Me li
Ruler: Emperor Shu Xiang
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Capital: Beijing
Religion: None, officially.
Depenencies: N/A.
Diplomatic Agreements: Cease fire with Tai'ping China, Alliance with Russia.
Description: Europhile and slowly industrializing and liberalizing, Xiang China came to be when a revolt shook the Christian Tai'ping regime. Slowly, with European support(by trading off vital land), Xiang China manage to beat the Tai'ping into the south, where they promptly signed a cease-fire. Slowly Xiang China rebuilds for the next conflict, whenever it is to come...

Tai'ping China
Ruler: Emperor Hong Xiuquan
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Capital: Canton
Religion: Christianity (Hong's form, to be exact.)
Depenencies: N/A.
Diplomatic Agreements: Cease fire with Xiang China.
Description: In 1851, a revolt began against Qing authority. By 1855, with European support, the Tai'pings had managed to centralize their authority over the whole of China. But their religious policies slowly drove a new revolt--The Xiang revolutions, which slowly turned the Tai'ping into a lowly, regional power. It is rife with conflict, and will probally be unprepared with Xiang China makes her next strike.

The United States of America
Ruler: President George B. McCellan
Government: Federational Democracy
Capital: Washington DC
Religion: No official faith.
Depenencies: N/A.
Diplomatic Agreements: Cease fire with CSA, Britain, and France.
Description: America was a rising star; yet the issue of slavery brought that star right down the ground. Lincoln has been disgraced, impeached from office, and the weary people have elected George McCellan as their President, who stands to recreate "cordial" relations with the south.

The Confederate States of America--Claimed by Camal Eaters
Ruler: President Jefferson Davis
Government: Confederational Democracy
Capital: Richmond
Religion: No official faith.
Depenencies: N/A.
Diplomatic Agreements: Cease fire with USA. Alliances with France and Britain.
Description: The CSA has survived the civil war, but with a debt and weary populace. Despite fighting for the cause of slavery, the immoral act was abolished(due to Britain's meddling), only so the CSA could rebuild and gather needed funds. Besides gaining some useless Indian territories, vital territories in northern Mexico were annexed to the CSA, due to Emperor Maximillian seeking to get rid of revolting Mexicans.

The Empire of Mexico and the Domains of Central America
Ruler: Emperor Maximillian von Hapsburg
Government: Absolute Monarchy (French Puppet)
Capital: Mexico City
Religion: Roman Catholicism
Depenencies: N/A.
Diplomatic Agreements: Alliance with France and Austria.
Description: Napoleon III's campaigns in Mexico were indeed a success, furthering into central America, which was added to the growing Mexican empire. It is a French puppet of course, but a stable one, with a somewhat free hand. It's next direction however, is unknown.

Gran Columbia
Ruler: ?
Government: Democracy
Capital: Bagota
Religion: No official faith.
Depenencies: N/A.
Diplomatic Agreements: Alliance with the Peru-Bolivian Confederation.
Description: Although it almost fell out, several wars at the begining of the 1830s, aimed against an Imperialist Brazil kept the union together. Gran Columbia is quickly becoming a regional power.

Peru-Bolivian Confederation
Ruler: ?
Government: Democracy
Capital: La Paz
Religion: No official faith.
Depenencies: N/A.
Diplomatic Agreements: Alliance with Gran Columbia.
Description: Much like Gran Columbia, Peru was about to fall apart, only saved due a war against Brazil. A lost war perhaps, but one without territorial loss, that united the said people of the region to support their government. Peru does face, however economic down-turn, depression, and the weary eye of Spain..

The Empire of Brazil--Claimed by Brazilam
Ruler: Emperor Pedro II
Government: Constitutional Monarchy
Capital: Rio de Janeiro
Religion: Roman Catholicism
Depenencies: N/A.
Diplomatic Agreements: Alliance with Argentina.
Description: Brazil fought a series of wars in the 1830s against virtually all of South America--and won. She did not wish to create revanchism in the region, so let her defeated foes return home, with the exception that they recognize her annexation of Urugay and Paraguay. In 1853, Paraguay was given to Argentina, and the two nations aligned, to protect their interests.

The Kingdom of Argentina
Ruler: King Louis-Philippe II
Government: Constitutional Monarchy
Capital: Buenos Aires
Religion: Roman Catholicism
Depenencies: N/A.
Diplomatic Agreements: Alliance with Brazil
Description: Following the South American wars, Argentina was disenchanted. So disenchanted, that in 1850, the Argentine President abdicated his position, and recommended that only one thing would save Argentina--monarchism. The Argentine throne was then offered to Louis-Philippe, former King of France. He accepted, ruling a brief time before dying. Now Argentina is a stable, constitutional monarchy, an ally of Brazil and ruled by the Orleanist branch of the French Bourbons.

The Republic of Chile
Ruler: ?
Government: Democracy
Capital: Santiago
Religion: No official religion.
Depenencies: N/A.
Diplomatic Agreements: N/A.
Description: Chile is the arbeiter of South America. She remained neutral during the South American wars, and has continued that stance into the 1860s. She is unmoved by all attempts to bring her into an alliance, and remains there as a meditator. Still, if war should come..will Chile enter?

The Dominion of South Africa--Claimed by the Horde of Doom
Ruler: Governor-General Herbert John Gladstone
Government: Democratic Republic
Capital: Cape Town
Religion: No official religion.
Depenencies: Nambia, Zambia
Diplomatic Agreements: Alliance with Britain.
Description: Formed in 1865, the Dominion of South Africa enjoys a healthy economy and Britains blessing. Rich in resources and growing industry, South Africa has already set it's hungry eyes on African territory. But with the newly formed government stretched so thin, a slight breeze from another Imperial power could send this rising house of cards to its knees.

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Map:

World Map (http://www.boomspeed.com/pakle/AltHist1.PNG)

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Links to Shattered Worlds Related Topics:

Shattered Worlds--IC Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11060741#post11060741)

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All said and done, this is the OOC-thread. An IC-thread is to follow. Here you can claim, link to your "events", discuss the RP, claim, ect. That said, the IC thread is where most RPing will occur, but users are free to create their own topics, for major events and wars that could clutter the actual topic.

I'll be claiming France, of course. Also, two friends of my have inspired me and have shown interest, so Camel Eaters and Lachenburg shall have dibs on their respective nations(The CSA and German Confederation).

Let's bump this, certainly won't be noticed way down at the bottom...

I wish to claim the Ottoman Empire.

Noted. Feel free to start RPing.

i am still a little bit new to RPing so if u have any tips for me feel free to tell me

I shall do, but you're doing fine at the moment.

Bump..still plenty of nations left to play!

I would like to play the Poles. Since you said that rebels are OK, I thought it would be rather coolish... The idea is that I play out the people (=not any particular faction or ruler) and their organizations for liberty, Polish legions fighting in foreign armies against their worst oppressor (should such a situation occur, that is - I had the Vistula Legion of Napoleonic times and Pilsudski's Legion of WW1 in mind mainly), whoever it is that they consider to be that, rebellions and uprisings, politicians and and other emigrants around the Europe trying to gain support for their cause of liberation, a puppet-Poland, should someone decide to create it... all that stuff.
And, let me assure you, I would NOT wank it - no "annual rebellions" or anything like that.

What do you say?

I'd like to take the British Empire if thats ok.

Plus, if there’s a large response to this RP, is it ok to 'outsource' some of my larger territories (India/Canada etc) to other players?

Both are accepted. And yes, you can create dominions out of your colonies if you wish for more nations to be there, and playable for people.

I'd like to take the British Empire if thats ok.

Plus, if there’s a large response to this RP, is it ok to 'outsource' some of my larger territories (India/Canada etc) to other players?

If possible, could I have South Africa? I will break away fairly soon, but hopefully with British approval....unless we need another Boer war.

You can be South Africa, although wether you will be settling in to fighting or being an Imperial puppet is up to Great Britain.

If he allows me to be a "puppet" I will remain peaceful and seek approval. if he refuses...prepare to mark me down as Boer Rebels!

Crap...he's not online...and I wanna rp now! Arrgh!

There are other nations, you know. We could use some players for those. *hint, hint*

Yeah, if your up for being a 'puppet' of sorts, thats fine by me mate. We'll work out the details as an when, but native forces/local government is yours.

As long as you pledge allegiance to Queen Victoria as a Dominion of course :)

Russia is mighty tempting. Perhaps Brazil....let me think it through.

Yeah, if your up for being a 'puppet' of sorts, thats fine by me mate. We'll work out the details as an when, but native forces/local government is yours.

As long as you pledge allegiance to Queen Victoria of course :)

Alrighty then...but what about independence. The Queen would still be head of state and all that...but how are you feeling it? South Africa would be close to Britain, and allow her to decide foreign policy.

Yeah, a Dominion will meet all those criteria, the only thing I'd still have control over is combined Foreign Policy (although you'll remain in control regarding local situations in Africa)

I'd rather not write off a whole Colony off to the natives yet :) But your have independence in all but name.

That ok?

Yeah, a Dominion will meet all those criteria, the only thing I'd still have control over is combined Foreign Policy (although you'll remain in control regarding local situations in Africa)

I'd rather not write off a whole Colony off to the natives yet :) But your have independence in all but name.

That ok?
Fine with me, and another point...it won't be run by the natives. But more on that in the IC thread. So, do I publish a constitution, or do you make an announcement?

And whats your stance towards South Africa "claiming" colonies in Africa?

Yeah an announcement would be great, with your plans etc.

I'll mention something in my post as well, although in a much more informal manner.

As long as they're not British Colonies, knock yourself out. In Africa, you've got a free reign; I'll probably expand in that area too.

Anything outside of Africa will result in some worrying motions from London however.

The nice unclaimed areas to the W and the N ok?

Yep, in fact, the sooner the better for the gap between the Spanish holdings. I'm going to make a grab for the Kenya area soonish, we should be in a position to link up after that.

Posted about industry and colony in IC thread.

I have acouple questions....

1. how do I make a formal recognition.
2. how do I get more land untouched by other countries

Just post in the IC thread that you recognize whoever, but make it sound fancy.

As for claims, the eaisest for you would be to push west, into that empty patch near french Africa. Why?
1. it's Muslim
2. It borders your lands.

Just rp you "annexing" that area into the empire because Muslims in the area need "your protection" or something similar to that. I do not reccommend moving South. The British Empire and myself will be moving in these area, and unless you want a war, it's best not to meddle.

Having said that...

In a way I view you as a potential ally. in a future war (possibly) against France or maybe Spain(more likely) you would gain territory in the North of Africa while I gain in the south.

Hey Britain, what exactly am I running on military wise? British troops in S. Africa?

I like the where your going with this. We should become allies.

Bumping this up..still lots of nations open.

Hey Britain, what exactly am I running on military wise? British troops in S. Africa?

http://www.regiments.org/regiments/southafrica/lists/sa1914.htm

^^ Thats the ORBAT for South Africa in 1914, I don't suppose much would have changed from the late 1800s, so I'd use that if you want.

The Dominion of South Africa--Claimed by the Horde of Doom
Ruler: Governor-General Herbert John Gladstone
Government: Democracy
Capital: Cape Town
Religion: No official religion.
Depenencies: N/A.
Diplomatic Agreements: Alliance with Britain.
Description: Formed in 1865, the Dominion of South Africa has control over most of Britain's southern African territories. It's a loyal supporter of Britain.

If I may edit this:

The Dominion of South Africa--Claimed by the Horde of Doom
Ruler: Governor-General Herbert John Gladstone
Government: Democratic Republic
Capital: Cape Town
Religion: No official religion.
Depenencies: Nambia, Zambia
Diplomatic Agreements: Alliance with Britain.
Description: Formed in 1865, the Dominion of South Africa enjoys a healthy economy and Britains blessing. Rich in resources and growing industry, South Africa has already set it's hungry eyes on African territory. But with the newly formed government stretched so thin, a slight breeze from another Imperial power could send this rising house of cards to its knees.

Hi there. Is it too late to sign up as the Empire of Brazil? If it isn't I would like to be that nation. Thank you Horde of Doom for showing me this.

Yes, Brazil is open to play. Accepted, welcome to the RP and such.

Wide open! And welcome! It's going to be great to have the Empire of Brazil, I can't wait to see how you tip the scales!

I added me on to the map. Just put this (http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/9594/islands8tj.png) over that section of the map, and you can mark The Union of South Africa on the map!

Thanks. For reference, I'll update the map every week, aka when a new year starts.

Does Japan still exist? I was thinking that Japanese could have claimed some islands before their land was colonized and now they're just building up or something.

Rebel group if you want.
China is still open...both of them.

Name: The Hawaiian Empire
Ruler: n/a
Government: Monarchy
Capital: Honolulu
Religion: None
Dependencies(Puppets, Colonies, ect): Hawaii, Kingman Reef, Palmyra Atoll, Kiribati, Jarvis-Island, Howland Island, Baker Island, French Polynesia, Pitcairn Islands, Cook Islands, Tokelau, Samoa, Niue, Tonga
Diplomatic Agreements(Alliances, ect): None
Description: The Hawiian Empire started long ago. It has continually built up in the East Pacific. The Hawiian Empire has claimed dozens of islands, and doesn't look to stop at the moment.

Is this alright?
Also, I think there are a few more islands in that area that would be part of the empire..

I have to warn you...Hawaii is still a primitive country. Are you sure you don't want any others?

Erm.. this is an alternate history, correct? Let's say that Hawaii has had it's own little revolutions and ages along with the rest of the world.

Its not up to me but...I mean...what resources besides....fish...do you have? If you really want a Hawaiian empire, go ahead. I just don't want you to get invaded, wiped out, and have your empire become a shipping station. The you get "Fuck dis n0is3" and leave the rp, devoiding us of a player.

Well, everything else is taken, so I was trying to think of something. I guess you have a point, though. >,<

Are you kidding me! Over Half is open! If it has a name by the country, its taken. If not, it's open! You could be the Russian Empire! The Byzantine Empire! The U.S.A.! Spain! Imperial Mexico! Any of the two chinas! Persia!

Theres a whole bunch open!

I was wondering if any claims to southeast asia have been made?

GENERAL TEMPLATE:
Name: Khmer Empire
Ruler: Jayavarnam XXV
Government: Monarchy
Capital: Angkor, Cambodje
Religion: Theravadan Buddhism (official) tolerant of other lesser Paths
Dependencies(Puppets, Colonies, ect): Yunnan? Burma, Sumatera, Java, Thailand, Borneo, French Indochine, Sri Lanka
Diplomatic Agreements(Alliances, ect): willing to ally with just about any one...preferably the UK or France...for historical <cough> accuraccy...perhaps a joint Co-Dominion over conflicted claims? say in Burma and Sri Lanka?

Description: The Empire of Angkor never fell...it held onto it's territorial integrity during the revolts of the Thai and the Invasions of the Mongols. The Empire maintained good relations with the northern Han Barbarians and with the Civilized Hindu states to the West. Gunpowder weapons and alternate methods had been introduced by the Grand Voyages of the Han Eunuch Admiral.

The Empire is based on trade...and the Sea. It's interior remains largely rural. However, the great trading posts of the Empire are found throughout the Region.

Singapore is leased for the next 193 years to the British Crown and Bantu is similarly leased out to the Dutch.

The Incursion of the Gaijin were not met with the usual contempt displayed by their old northern neighbors. The Tribes were generally a pragmatic folk that knew an interesting deal when they saw them.

Since you have GUTTED JAPAN AND CHINA... You need a yellow enemy/ally right!?!

All of South East Asia has been cut up into colonies, except for Siam. Sorry. If you want an Asian nation, I highly suggest Siam(I'll get them stats soon), who are rapidly modernizing, or Xiang China. The Tai'ping are playable too, but...

[NS]Zukariaa: You could be Hawaii if you really..really wanted, but it seems like a lost cause, in my opinion. Mainly because they really don't have many natural resources..I'd rather not let potential players get stuck in poor positions.

this is based on some decent speculation...
Imperailism really didn't make significant inroads in the tropics of asie until the early 19th century. Sure they had posts and Technically they ruled...but still.

Remember the Great Sepoy rebellion?
LOL hell if I can't have this I wand India--all of it from burma to pakistan...we will be a dominion under one of you westerners if we have to be...but I would prefer an independent Greater Cambodia...Khmer Empire...this RP's Version of the Japanese!

which one was xaing? the taipings succeeded and now control southern china?
are they modernizing...I want to unite All-Under Heaven and liberate the Peoples of Asie under <insert name> Co-Prosperity Sphere!

In the 1850s, China was shaken by great economic down-turn and social unrest. During the Tai'ping and Xiang rebellions, Europe took their chance to carve up eastern Asia, of course leaving Siam as a buffer state.

I apologize, but I'd like to keep the history I have written up to 1865 as is. Of course, if nations are not mentioned, they are free to mold..but Indochina has been carved up and such.

You could play Mughalistan if the British player will allow you to play India as a dominion.

The Xiang are the ones in the north. They are liberal and Europhile. A nation to be reckoned with. The Tai'ping are slowly growing too...but their religious policies are causing lots of unrest.

I was born in thialand...lived there for two years...but I'm of Khmer ethnicity...I am technically Thai...But I cannot forgive them for rebelling in Cambodja's hour of need! <grin> Mixed loyalties...which would you reccommend? of the chinas?

hmm I would take Mughalstan if it is Ok with the Brits.

If not then the northen kingdom...<eyes manchuria>

oh the history is well written...you wouldn't happen to be a Victoria or EU fan?

Xiang. It's stable, is developing industries, has a small, yet modernized army, and they have the backing of Britain.

well now would it keep the backing of britain if it were to say try and reunite the Han. If not I'll play India if Britain lets me...you know the Brits really do have too much of the world in the 19th...sorta sound familiar?:rolleyes:

oh yeah I'm half-chinese too!:D

GENERAL TEMPLATE:
Name: The Xiang Imperium
Ruler: Emperor JI Vaya II "The Hammer of Heaven"
Government: Constitutional Monarchy
Capital: Beijing...
Religion: Mahayana Buddhism/Daoism(official) tolerant of other lesser Paths significant Muslim, Christian minorities.
Dependencies(Puppets, Colonies, ect): Xianjin, Koryu, Manchuria, Inner Mongolia , Tibet...technically part of the Imperium.
Diplomatic Agreements(Alliances, ect): Close Allaince with British Nippon and British Mughalstan. Strong distrust of the Tiaping and the Russians. Seeks to reunify the Han and the other peoples of Asie...(possibly meant to include indochine and Nippon as well)
Description: The Defeat by the Foreign devils had finally washed the hubris and rot of the Yuan dynasties away. China was once again ruled by a young and vibrant dynasty. It would bid its time. East Asia revolved around china. China has traditionally revolved around the North. Never has a southern dynasty survived for very long. A few centuries, no more. The Imperium sent out its young leaders to learn from the Devils. The Dragon was sleeping and recovering from it's wounds...

did russia grab mongolia during the wars...:p interesting...

any chance I could be the Byzantines?

The Xiang are Han, just so you know, and have their own stats so you didn't have to right them. The Tai'ping overthrew the Manchu-Qing, who were later overthrown by the Xiang. So China is ruled by two Han dynasties.

And yes, Russia siezed Manchuria and Mongolia.

Haneastic: You can be the Byzantines, yes. Keep in mind they are a Russian puppet.

oops didn't look careful enough at the thread stats...my bad:D
...still those are my stated goals...that ok?:p
sigh absolutism sound fine but in practice...<grumblesabout stupid paper pushers>

i was wondering what happened to the olde families?...I need to get a more "legitimate" claim on the south and maybe even nippon.

As to the ethnicity thing...Han is morphous...

The chinas have a tendency to break up and unite all the time...From what I gather you seem pretty familiar with that. This disunity is not good. Thus, it is the duty of any self respecting emperor to first secure the throne second to rule over the middle kingdoms. call it the One China imperative.

:mad: We don't recognize those rebels in the south! We are the only rightful rulers We have the Mandate of Heaven! The troopers are there just in case any thing "interesting" happens. :p

you note the plural in Kingdom(s)? The chinese Northern Han regard themselves superior to the shorter and louder and DARKER southerners. The Cantonese subfamilies Hakka, Yuen, min, wu etc are technically Han. I don't debate that. But they have different dialects! and significant differences. It is like comparing a Spainard to a Brazillian...yeah they are Latin...sorta.

ji, yi, are my maternal grandfathers name...it also can mean forienger...well more like the Yi tribes of Yunnan

1858: Rebuilding. Xiang China begins to take in loans from Europe, purchasing weaponry and offering trade concessions. Indeed, the Dutch are granted Taiwan, the British Shanghai, and the French Qingdao for their amount of aid to the new dynasty. Old rituals are banned, and the Xiang court is soon full of Europeans, rather than native Han.

These are your version of the Unequal treaties? Or are these possessions merely like Hong Kong was in our RL? First sold off then declared still part of China but administered by the Foreign powers? I am likely to agitate for reunification in about 25-30 years definately before the turn of the century.

Do the you devils have extra-territoriality?

Old rituals? of the court of the people or whatever I want it to mean?
Zeng Guofan? Feng Guifen? Zongli Yamen. I will play with these ideas.

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What about the Suez Canal? And for that matter the Panama/Nicargua Canals? Part of the reason France is fighting?

I'll take the USA. It will be interesting to see what happens...

I would like to join as the USA please

Sorry, I asked for it first.

Nobody wants Russia?

I'll take Russia.

Thats the ticket! The biggest nation in the game is finally claimed!

Sorry, I asked for it first.

Yeah, but you only have 31 posts, therefore, I have seniority

well now how about one of you be the dominion of canada? with british and confederate backing you could annex the states! the states you'll be in for a grand 'ole time!

Oh and Zuuk old boy...we need to have a chat about siberia, mongolia, and manchuria...Those be asians! and my peeps:p you are not going to sell alaska are you? crazy <??know any good insults for the ruskies besides commie??>:eek:

Wow...Canada invanding the states....dear god, what a history that would be! Mexico is still open mind you! As are the dutch, the spanish, and many more!

First come, first serve!

LOL in Victoria I loved to do just that during the civil war and carve up the states. Almost as much as I like defending asia from the west!

Mexico would be a very interesting play...VM? Senority?
How very Latin and Asian of you.:p The States are a decent power but are broken...vengeful of the south and the Euros. They would probably be licking their wounds and waiting for a chance to invad...someone and likely everyone...lol they currently have two very close neighbors and a bunch of islands? are the islands still colonies?

Oh yeah a fair warning to everyone...I mean to unite china...ALL of it.
Preferably by peaceful means because I am weak right now...

From the Isles Charter
Article 6: The Honour Clause
When I am weaker than you,
I ask you for freedom
because that is according to your principles;

when I am stronger than you,
I take away your freedom
because that is according to my principles.
Louis Veuillot

They don't control the islands right now. Hawaaii is still unclaimed.

If I was the States, this would be my war plan.
1. Focus huge amounts of money on the economy. Create not an empire, but a trading empire. Make America the technological whiz of the world.
2. Begin subverting(secrectly) the CSA economy. Secrect war, espionage, even terrorism.
3. Crash the economies of Canada and perhaps an african colony.
4. Offer to help these down trodden countries by admitance into the union. Their economies go up, and the US just got a hell of alot bigger.
5. Repeat and resuse when neccessary

Basically an American Zollerf...err German Customs Union...that eventually lead to the exclusion of the Austrians from the Germanies and in turn lead to the unification of germany under Prussia. Only big hole I see is that most of the world is carved up into big empires...The US will have to expand into the Caribean or lauch some revolutionaries in conjunction with other states.

And then there is the Traid of UK, France, and Russia...they'll have to be kept busy elsewhere for anything to work

<Burnsque smile and evil theme music plays>
"Essssaaaalent!"

What about bonin and the others?
Would it be cool if I claim dibs on Hawaii as a "Tributary"? Later...
In RL, There is a sizable Chinese population in Hawaii...so? Watcha think?

If you've got the muskets and war canoes to do it, why not? :)

Ayup the Middle Kindom has plenty of both...plus alot of people...I'll hold off until either no one plays Hawaii or... <shrug>

I call dibbs!:D

Speaking of musket wars and canoes. You ever read about the Musket Wars of New Zealand. Or of the Imperialism of the Maori tribes?
http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/war/19thcenturywars-nzwars

Take Hawaaii if you want, South Africa will remain with content with Africa and a few islands...

I was thinking of claiming Hawaii, myself. But I'm content with trying to buy India from Britain. :p

By the way, check your messages Me li.

I'd claim it now if you want.

Nobody wants to fuck with Russia

I don't know in a few decades say around 1910 or so if they are hostile and occupied elsewhere...:rolleyes: LOL Zuuk you would do the same admit it! :D But if they are friends and sorta allies then a little messing withthem would still be cool. Besides China and Russia had a bunch of treaties...most of them were between equals.

I'm going to go for the,"Hey we don't want to have to destroy you, just let us buy your shit," way. And now that Russia and China are allies, I have even less to worry about.

Hey we are buds...and Defensive allies in Asia...
Gotta admit that takes some headaches off me...
Ought to worry the rest of you a little bit though! :rolleyes:

insults?
I've just got damn ruskies, foriegn hairy barbarian northern devils form the far west, and damn drunken ruskies! They lose something in the translation. Some help here please?

OH and I'll post China's "friendship with the Islands of Hawaii" in a bit

Erm.. Reds? Commies?

Communist Russia jokes are always fun. ;)

Yeah I like that but you aren't commies yet...
<suddenly suspicious>

The delegate eyes the Damned Drunken Ruskie Barbarian Confederation of the Northern Plains. His hand feather caresses his Big Ole California Bowie Knife.

You a'planning somethin'?

Watch out, Mr.Czar! Even if you have the East secured, the Poles aren't going to give you easy times in the West, rest assured of that... ;)

And, sorry for not posting in IC yet. I'll try to get something up later tonight or tomorrow morning.
Just a FYI/BTW, what are the mutual relations between European great powers at the moment? Are French and Brits still bitter against the Russians, how are Moscow and Berlin getting along, what are the Austrian relations with its neighbours? I'd like to know some of this stuff to get a basis for my future plans.

Of course, of course. I'll just have to bulk up my forces there.

And, no. I don't plan on havingn Russia ever become a Communist State. That's the fun of alternate histories.

From what I've read ic, it looks like the brits and French are very chummy sind the war in china and the states...they are currently preparing to rape the turks?malemuks? err the brown guys in africa with the turbans. Dunno much else about europe 'cept that it looks like France is the Power in the West and Russia has the keys to the East [europe]
<glares at the damn zuuks>
<decides damn zuuks feel better and will refer to said Russian Barbarians as such>

Your strategic position is classic poland! :p Except you will note the Scandinavians actually got around to building a Union! But is it stable? Germany is under a Confederation...under a Bonaparte? should make for some waves...possible claims to Austria as well as to the French thrones?


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Well what about Asia...what are your positions? Namely Britain and France and Netherlands...Mainly UK and France. Oh and The Rebels in the south:p After we annex err...Protect Hawaii we will move to regain the south.

Oh and can I get me a Japanese Consort and get claims to the Isles?

What would be a reasonable mlitary build up per year for a country of nine million?

I dunno, its not going to be big though. Perhaps 10,000 sustainable for 5 years? 50,000 overall.

No idea though to be honest with you.

What would be the population of Russia around this time? I'm thinking around 50 million, but I don't know for sure. And I'm guessing it also varies with the territory I have..

I'd agree with about 50 million at a liberal guess. Its currently 150 million roughly, so that seems about right.

I'd say 60-70 million, however. Since we also have control of Mongolia and northern Japan. I would think that we intergrated the people into the Empire, and not slaughtered them. :p

In 1897 it was 67 million, and that's not counting the territories they've acquired ( so perhaps 60-64 million

UK i'm assuming by defensive partners you mean russian "satelittes" and allies??

We are an allied defensive in asie with russia and near east-->Pacific

Wanna hammer out an acceptable agreement about the region? well a bi-lateral treaty? I am concerned about the status of the crown colony of Shanghai...and the naval store in Macao/Hong Kong...perhaps a long term treaty/lease...details to be worked out? Lets say a 95 year lease form 1865?

same applies for the Dutch/Belge...
I want to know how exactly those things are going to be worked out.

so everyone is cool that I am going take a Japanese consort?

want to negotiate some railroads and steam contracts would that go here or in the IC?

About the Ottoman Empire, I say that the people fighting him leave him land and intact, instead of destroying him. Just to be fair..

or we let him keep parts of his country
OR let him play as another nation.

I'll take Canada then.

give the turkish player after his defeat? persia...or he can become the Intafadah throughout your Muslim lands! An Algeria and Lebanon and Sudan and Wahabii of the 19th century! Sure you Euro Powers will win the wars against most of the others...still it is Bloody business holding onto the colonies. Too darn expensive in men and materiel...expecially if your homelands are fighting each other.

Canada! lol from sea to shining sea! err Bay to Gulf? :p

Not sure about Canada, giving her Dominion isn’t such a good idea at the moment. Not with my forces deployed heavily to Asia/Africa, and the USA hating English guts.

maybe mexico? you have a buffer/ally in the confederacy and France and Austria as you buddies...technically if the Austrians die out you ought to inherit them right?

Canada faces the same problems it faces today...plus a very angry USA that was "stabbed" in the back by first the Rebels and second by the canucks. They will likely still want their rightful lands back. If I was USA that would be N.America:p

Just give me a fuckin country!

:D Don't listen to me:p I am nothing. Can't give ya anything. The thread owner and the Owner of the territory has to give them to you...I am just talking about the strtegic situation of the region you are choosing. Just giving you and anyone else out there, some ideas to work with. Maybe they want Mexico or anything else we discuss...

It is like messy <bump>...

:eek: is that considered spamming if I'm talking about the game?
You ever think about Australia? Nice and far from any real action until WW2...well direct action against their home waters at any rate. The KwiKwis and Aussies were used in WWI

Me li, do you plan on uniting China soon, or several years from now?

The snarky answer will be Yes! :p

it depends on several factors...one what do you mean by soon?
two exactly how industrialized/modernized am I?
Three What is the situation in the South in relation to stability and to the Great Powers.
This is critical to any attempt on my part at annexing the south. If Britain or France are hostile it will be very difficult. The Russians seem content with negotiated settlements so at least my northern interior is relativly secure from invaders...

I have moved two New Model Army divisions to the Southern Border I figure about 20 000 combatants and several thousand support personnel. They are manuevering very close to the border. "War Games" is the cover story...for now. I have a few brigades "Protecting Hawaii"

You want to send an expeditionary unit to train your Army? and Navy?

S.America is far away. I have no interest really beyond the larger Asian mainland...well and Japan and the Isles...lol :rolleyes:

By soon, I would mean mabye another year or so. I'm not worried about invasion or anything, I'm just interested in learning more about Taiping China is all.

If two of my allies go to war, I sit back and continue trade on both sides.

If an ally goes to war with a non ally, I help them.

But the problem is, what if that non ally is the ally of an ally?

Say Britain and France.. would they go to war with me if I helped an ally attack one of their allies?

Zukariaa']If two of my allies go to war, I sit back and continue trade on both sides.

If an ally goes to war with a non ally, I help them.

But the problem is, what if that non ally is the ally of an ally?

Say Britain and France.. would they go to war with me if I helped an ally attack one of their allies?

well, my rule on allies is this:

1. Help your ally out
2. Help yourself

so if you helped me lets say attack Persia (we'll say it's a British and French ally), you migt be able to get out of war if you didn't send troops or managed to convince them of your good intentions

Can we only attack countries that are being played by other players?

That's another thing that I'm waiting for...no fun beating up no one.
Some Neutral want to be a whipping boy and play Taiping China?
Taiping Info Link (http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/core9/phalsall/texts/taiping.html)

How big is my population? What is my status on industrialization? How big an army do you figure I have? I want a smaller one than the Qing and mcuh better organized along the Hunan's Regional Army i.e. Xiang "Ever-Victorious Army."

Right On!

That reminds me...Hunan is in the South! LOL...There is my valid justification for war! My major armies and my dynasty is from the South! That and to prevent anarchy, persecution, and banditry.

I want your positions FRANCE, BRITAIN, RUSSIA.
and is anyone DUTCH?

You can attack NPCs, yes. But you need someone to RP them for you. Another neutral player.

Kanae: There are plenty of nations. If you really want to be Mexico, you can them. But you should realize that they are a puppet state.

You can attack NPCs, yes. But you need someone to RP them for you. Another neutral player.

I was asking about other countries that are not yet claimed by other players.

Does anyone know where I can get infrmation on Russia in from 1860 to to about 1900? I need to know a lot about their military.

search google for maybe "Russian Army, Czar." or try to search up the numbers for world war one, and edit from there.

I'm playing Alexander out to be a wussy diplomatic type. Don't worry. It'll change in a few years. :p

Does anyone know where I can get information on Russia in from 1860 to to about 1900? I need to know a lot about their military.

I can give you quite a comprehensive ORBAT from 1815 if you'd like, but nothing closer to the end of the century.

The Russian army of ww1 (Big time mobilization... they even used boy soldiers at one point) is going to be quiet different from that of the late 1800s I would think.

Sure, give it to me. :p

I know that around 1810 their army numbers were at something like 900,000 men. I don't know for sure, though.

I think with the information from the early 1800's I can estimate from there.

What I really need is information on what kind of weapons they used..

Had that problem myself.
Few guidelines:
1. Think civil war, now think a little beyond. thats where we are.
-No artillery as of yet, cannons though
-Calvary still around
-Rifles, repeating rifle was created in the civil war.
-Steam ships

I'll take Austria.

Finally. Go ahead and rp.

I am opening academies of science, law, economics, war in the next thread...
Economist Essay on Economic & Scientific Growth (http://www.economist.com/diversions/millennium/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=346598) in the last few centuries.

Sure, give it to me.

As of 1815 -

"....potentially the largest of any of the combatants. Strategic consumption and the sheer difficulty of supplying it meant that very often this immense strength could not be fully deployed."

Conscripted Force. 1805 levy = 110,000 recruits, however most where 'rejects' from the villages/towns who had to provide the levy. Tended to be very religious.

130 Infantry Regiments x 2000 (size of Regiment [3x Battalions]) = 260,000 Infantry

60 Eger Infantry Regiments x 1000 (size of Regiment) = 120,000 Infantry

160 Cavalry Regiments x 1000 (size of Regiment) = 160,000 Cavalry

10 Artillery Regiments

Cossacks (Acted as a Reserve) = 100,000 Cavalry in theory.

(I was going to give you all the regiment titles as well... but well... theres over 300 of them to type out :P)

I suppose it would be safe to triple those numbers for the 1860's.

Remember this was a country at war in 1815. I'd say it might of increased slightly, if not decreased slightly.

I wouldn't say triple though!

But hey, its your country :)

Regardless however, remember that a lot of those regiments are not going to be up to the same standard of European line Infantry, in the same way that the British Indian Army wasn't up to the same standard of the British Army.

So...whose going to attack the Ottomans first?

ooc zuuk:
you could have huge hordes...but they will likely get slaughtered due to logisitcal and training/leadership comand/control nightmares. I would suggest an upper limit of about 1.5 million...not all combatants either! :D For the next century or so. The Standing army of course would be much much smaller.

Don't forget that the Brits have India! That will let them draw a big 'ole hassel od people from the subcontinent. The French have sizable populations in their colonies. Indochina alone outmasses Italy...Oh and please don't make me too nervous? Emperors have a tendency of going "crazy." Your Tzars are almost as despotic!:D


ooc Poor Screwed Over Ottoman Turks:
Give the Occidental hell!

IC:
Ottomans of Africa,

Walk with God the Compasionate and Merciful...
Tell him, I send my regards when you next meet with him.

The Middle Kingdom.

While not paying attention, I said triple. XD
I think it would make sense to have around 1.2 million, seeing that in the early 1800's there was 900,000 or so.

I'll definitely start conscripting if things ever get too bad. Also, I'm going to do some of the RL reforms that Alexander II did. I don't want to go into details, but I can pull up a Wikipedia article on all of the reforms he did. It'll stabilize things throughout Russia for awhile.

Hevena, you forgot to list Kanea as the Austrian Empire.

*bump*

We of the Middle Kingdom are now accepting bids to build the Great Canal Railroad. This railroad will follow the Great Canal linking the Yellow and Yangtze Rivers. Moreover, we are also accepting national and international company bids at establishing multiple machine shops, steel mills, textiles, etc...

We are also accepting bids to form a proper Steam Shipping Works. Interested Shattered World nations/companies APPLY NOW!

Please post in this thread

Am I going to get gang raped or something?

Well, I know that France and Britain are going to attack you. The Byzantine Empire might be, and if they do, I have to maintain control and attack along side them.

So, yeah.. pretty much..

ooc:
ottoman of africa

might i suggest a strategic retreat?
run away from Mali's deserts, salt, gold mines, flies, and sleeping sickness...
let the occindentals fight over cows and the western deserts.
make an allaince with a weaker power say italy, germany, Scandinavia...
And most importantly Persia...settle your border and re-establish the Caliphate...
Wait some years...send traders into the Qccindental zones...

REVOLUTION! INTAFADAH! ALL of which cannot be linked to you...well not positively...

SHATTERED WORLD (CHINA) Imperial Army White Paper
New Model Army (15 year plan)
Each division: 12.500 men
36 divisions under centralized control by Ministry of War
Projected Total: 450.000 men

1865:
12 divisions mobilized fully trained and equipped

Several Regional Militias and Armies are under the process of being intergrated into the New Army.
Every Five Years, 12 division will be added until 450.000 Modern Troops are in the Empire's Army.

Additional assets will await advisors from Occidental Powers. Armories and Trainers are now being recruited.

current deployment:
2 remain in the capital
1 detached duties
1 in Koroyu
1 in Western Provinces
1 in New Provinces
6 on the southern border

what is the province southwest of me called?

To: Ottoman's of Africa
Fr: Middle Kingdom
RE: Seuz Canal Stock

We have noted with interest that you are divesting some of your assets in the Seuz Canal Company Stock. The Middle Kingdom is interested in purchasing 10% of the Stock at 110% of market value, with an option for an additional 5% at 115% for the next ten years.

[imperial seal]

what is the province southwest of me called?
in africa? and Not Mali? the Sahel...er central african provinces?!? :p
You can make it up?

To: Middle Kingdom
Fr: Ottoman Empire


I'm sorry but stocks are not for sale, the taxes paid by the vessels going through the canal will represent an important source of income for us.

Ottomans...

ooc:
You do realize by holding onto the Suez soley... you have all to gain yes... but you have all to lose? The Brits in the last IC post said as much... "ransom" was what they called it. If you had sold to either them or me or BOTH then they would likely let "your" canal alone... Now I think they are going to do to you what they did to Eygpt.

ic:
The offer still stands.

[imperial seal]
Middle Kingdom

I'll sale you 10 shares for a price that ill let u pick and if it's fair then I'll accept

I'll sale you 10 shares for a price that ill let u pick and if it's fair then I'll accept

Funds have been made available by our accounts at Societe Lyonnais le Banque. We have opted to buy the entire 15% now with options for an additional 5% within the next decade fixed at 115% of current value. The paper work is attached.

[imperial seal]
Middle Kingdom

OOC: I did not known this RP had already started. Expect my participation soon.

Can I be The United Scandinavian Kingdoms?

I think you could, no one else has claimed it.