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Rules
Lift Research
No more then 12 points a year allowed for research by any given party. In this order:

1. IRBMs allow for a putting something into space, plus another 12 points and you can replicate the first Mercury mission (but cannot achieve orbit)
2. ICBMs allow for Sputnik, and with 24 more points, you can replicate Mercury type missions (achieve orbit)
3. 12 points for Improved satellite technology (allows satellite networks etc)
4. 12 more points plus Large ICBMs and you can replicate Gemini type missions.
5. 24 points gets you heavy lift rockets (Saturn V)
6. Very heavy lift Rockets (Energia/Saturn VB type rockets). Must be Tech level 7.5, requires 48 points of research.
7. Nuclear pulse (Project Orion). Must be Tech level 8, have tactical nuclear weapons capability, spend 72 points of research.
8. Mass Driver (unmanned only). Must be Tech leve 8.5, research cost 96.

Both the nuclear pulse project and Mass driver projects have not been accomplished in the real world, but were carried out as experimental projects and are feasible. Although there are disadvantages and complications. Do your reading and then ask me questions.

Lift technology allows you to get payloads into space, but separate research is required for the payloads themselves. No more then 12 points a year may be spent researching payload technology.

Manned Spaceflight (payload)
Suborbital missions cost 1 point (manned) for rocket missions, and are free for space planes (as they are carried aloft by carrier planes, and then accelerate from there).

Manned orbital missions costs 5 points for single man flights, 8 points for 2 man flights, and 10 points for 3 man flights. Technology costs as listed for single man flights, plus another 6 points of research (and tech level 7.5) for each crewmen desired. (more then this limit requires tech level 8).

Space planes (X15 type) require 48 points to get to suborbital (after that its routine). They require heavy lift ICBM technology for orbital missions (and another 6 points of research which generates a Dynasoar type design. Also requires tech level 7.5). For space planes, the big expense is getting them designed to land in one piece.

Space plane orbital missions only require 4 points per mission (as they are multiple use aircraft instead of single use capsules).

Manned Orbital Laboratory. Requires large ICBMs plus 24 points. Plus cost of the lab is 20 points and can orbit for 3 years before must be refitted for another 10 points. Crew of 4. (essentially Skylab but built in pieces). Risk of failure is 10%. Requires Tech level 7.5. Also acts as a Spy Satellite with real time intelligence capability (while over the area being examined anyway). Also requires periodic (at least 3 times a year) space flights to resupply. These flights must consist of 2 man type spacecraft.

Skylab. Requires Very Heavy lift rockets plus Manned Orbital Lab technology plus another 24 points of research. Otherwise as per Manned Orbital Lab except crew of 3 and can last for 6 years before refitting needed. (Build for 25 points and refit for another 12 points). Also requires periodic (3 times a year) 3 man type spacecraft missions to resupply.

Lunar Missions. Requires Very heavy lift rockets, plus 48 points of research. Each missions costs 15 points. Chance of success is 90%, with a 5% chance of catastrophic failure (dead crew etc) and 5% chance of survivable catastrophic failure (Apollo 13 type)

Space Shuttle (Columbia type) Requires spaceplane technology plus 6 points research OR 72 points of research. Must also be tech level 8, have very heavy lift rockets. Allows crews up to 7, plus can carry large payloads and retrieve and repair satellites and other space vehicles.

Single Stage to Orbit shuttle craft. This is a tech level 9 technology. More on this later.

Space planes
Now have a permanent cost (as they are a permanent asset like an aircraft and not disposable like space capsules)
X15 type (tech level 7) 2 man crew (usually 1) cost 10, maintenance 5 plus 4 points for each mission. Can fly up to once a month
X20 type (tech level 7.5) 2 man crew (usually 1) cost 15, maintenance 5 plus 4 points for each mission. Can fly up to once a month. Can be armed with 2 missiles (light missiles with small nuclear warheads)
Enterprise type Space Shuttle (tech level 8) 7 man crew (varies), can be armed (with orbit to space missiles or space intercept missiles – up to 20). Can carry the historical cargos indicated by real life. Cost is 20, maintenance is 10, can fly twice a year. Shuttle missions cost 5 points a flight.

As of 1965, the North Americans had 2 X15 and 6 X20s, the ESA 4 X20s, as did other Space Agencies that had invested and conducted missions using X20 type spacecraft.

Manned space flight also requires the construction of a Space Tracking Network. Costs 5 points and requires space tracking radars globally, or ships to act in their place. Keeps track of what’s in orbit and allows communications for Lunar missions. Nations can cooperate to construct this.

Unmanned Space Flight (payloads)
Spy Satellite network. Cost 6 points and requires large ICBM technology plus satellite technology.. Film is dropped by canisters and picked up by aircraft. Consists of several satellites. The network has to be replaced every year.

Improved Spy Satellite network. Costs 6 points, requires large ICBM technology plus satellite technology plus Spy Satellite technology plus 12 points research. Has television cameras (no more film drops needed) and the network has to be replaced every year. The individual satellites last longer.

Communications satellite network. Costs 6 points. Requires large ICBM technology plus satellite technology. Provides a 5% bonus to commerce (which can exceed the usual maximum). A satellite network can provide coverage for up to 200 million customers in either the northern or southern hemisphere or both depending on orbit.

Improved Communications satellite network. Costs 12 points. Requires large ICBM technology plus satellite technology plus communications satellite technology plus 12 points research. Provides a 10% bonus to commerce , which can exceed the normal maximum and is not cumulative with normal satellite bonus). To reach tech level 8, a nation must either own, or be paying part of the cost of an Improved communications satellite network (replaces requirement for man in orbit for tech level 8). This network also increases the combat value of units that have access to this network by 25% if they are facing units that don't have access to an improved communications satellite network. Improved satellite networks can provide coverage to up to 200 million people in either or both hemispheres depending on orbit.

Space probes. Unmanned missions to various planets. 1 point for near Earth planets (Venus, Mars), plus 1 point more for Mercury and 1 point more for each planet after that (so add +7 for Pluto mission for example). Chance of success is the same as satellite launch.

Space Probes (landers). Tech level 7.5 for Moon, Mars and Venus (50% chance). Tech level 8 for other planets. Cost is 5 points plus see above. Reduces chances of disaster for manned landings later (so that disaster is only 2% likely instead of 5%)

Science satellites. As for spy satellites. Prestige only, no other benefit.

Improved Science satellites.. As for improved spy satellites. Benefits are that cost of pollution control research is reduced by 6 points.

Early Warning satellite network. Requires spy satellite technology plus 6 points of research. Requires 3 points a year to maintain. Provides 30 minutes of warning of missile attack by ICBMs, at least 10 minutes of warning for SLBMs. (this might be enough to at least launch a reply).

additional unmanned capabilities will become available at Tech Level 8

GPS satellite system cost 100 points to install, for each 25% installed, will provide reduction of space disaster chances by 1% and once completed provides a substantial military advantage. Required to reach Tech Level 8.5. Research cost is 12 points.

Digital Communications Satellite Networks. Acts exactly as an improved satellite network but covers 500 million people, costs 6 points, and can be launched by large rockets like the Titan missile (3rd generation liquid fueled rocket) or even spare 3rd generation solid fuel ICBMs you have lying around. In which case the cost is 5 points a year. Research cost is 12 points. Required to reach tech level 8.5

Digital Spy satellites. Cost is 20 points, is essentially an unmanned MOL, and requires heavy lift rockets or space shuttle to get into orbit, plus 12 points of research to gain technology. 1 Satellite lasts 5 years and covers 25% of the planet at one time. 4 gives you planetary coverage. Best of all, no maintenance cost, but you have to replace it when it runs out of fuel after 5 years. Essentially the KH13

Deep radar satellites. Cost is 4 points, and ALL military installations that a potential opponent has are immediately known, including caves, tunnels etc. One of these showed the earth the underwater water flow from the Nile River showing the Soviets once and for all that hiding silos wasn't possible. Research cost is 12 points, and a network costs 4 points a year.

Oceanic Alliance Space Force

capabalities: All launch systems available at Tech Level 7.5, Manned Orbital Lab, 2 man space missions, X20 Spaceplanes. All Tech Level 7.5 unmanned systems.

Current Research: Lunar Missions, 3 man space flight (Apollo Program) year 2. With plans to land on moon by 1966.

Alliance Space Force has improved communications satellites to provide coverage for up to 600 million people in both hemispheres, plus improved spy satellites covering both hemispheres, as well as early warning satellites covering northern and southern hemispheres. In addition, the Alliance, in conjuction with the British, have Manned Orbital Laboratories over both hemispheres (Yankee Station over 35th north Parellel, Dixie Station over 35th South Parellel). Routine X20 Dynasoar and Gemini flights are made to resupply both stations and rotate crew members.

The Alliance was the first nation to launch a space lab, conduct a space walk, and to fly a space plane into suborbital and orbital flight. The Alliance has successfully landed probes on the Moon, and successfully orbited Mars and Venus as well.

The Alliance nations consist of the US, Canada, Australasia, the FNS, Mexico and in addition, the Alliance provides launchs to the Russians, Dutch, Burgundians, and Belgians.

Major launch facilities are at Townsville Australasia (Southern Cross Space Flight Center), Cayenne, FNS (Caribbean Launch Center), Florida (Cape Canavaral), and Vandenburg AFB, California. Manned space flight missions are conducted out of Florida, while Space Plane missions are carried out from Edwards Space Flight Center, California.

The Alliance Space Agency has tracking stations all over the world as well.

The Alliance has sent Americans, Canadians, South Africans, Australasians, South Americans and Russians into space

ooc
all space faring nations post their achievements and capabilities below please

European Space Agency

Founded: Anno Domini 1949

History

The European Space Agency (or ESA) was founded in 1949 as a joint effort by Britain and Germany to concentrate on space research and exploration. Initially both countries simply shared missile technology and had an international research establishment on Heligoland, this site is named "The Queen Victoria Space Research Institute". Many of the original pioneers were aces of the recent "Third Great War" and were happy to cooperate for this fine aim despite many of them recently being on opposite sides. The British government granted an area of land suitable for a launch site near to Freetown in Sierra Leone to the ESA and has it protected ably by RAF regiment personnel

The ESA's first major achievement was the world's first suborbital flight made by German test pilot Günther Rall and reached heights of 116.5 miles (187 km). Footage of the flight was broadcast across the world and was celebrated in both countries. The French nation joins the ESA shortly after and contributes to funding, 2 further sub-orbital missions see British and Frenchmen gain their wings.

The ESA put a satellite into space on January 22nd 1952, the 51st anniversary of Queen Victoria's death. The satellite followed an earlier attempt that exploded shorlty after takeoff. The new satellite was codenamed Victoria in the Queen's honour. The satellite sent back temperature and pressure details of the outer reaches of the Earth's atmosphere and remained in orbit for 3 months. It was the world's first artificial satellite.

7 more satellites followed in quick succession before a major attempt to get a man into orbit was attempted in 1953. 8 manned launches were planned for 1953 split between the three nationalities by funding proportionality. They were as follows: 6 British manned space orbital launches (John Cunningham, Peter Twiss, Herman Salmon, Eric Brown, Johnnie Johnson, Robert Stanford Tuck), 1 German manned space orbital launch (Fritz Wendel), 1 French manned space orbital launch (André Edouard Turcat).

Johnnie Johnson was the first man to attempt the launch, he took off from Freetown launch facility and breaks all previous height records. Maintains orbit for 108 minutes, completely circling the Earth once and touching down in the Atlantic via parachute. The ESA officially sends the first man into space.

Prior to takeoff he is commissioned into the newly formed European Space Agency Astronautics Corps as a Pilot-Officer, becoming the first of all future test pilots and the first true astronaut. Upon touchdown he recieves a promotion to Flight Lieutenant. All past and future test pilots of all nationalities will recieve the same honours.

The 4 other British funded launches succeed and reach space, though Robert Stanford Tuck is killed on June 14th by an explosion in the rocket fuel after ignition. The Frenchman, André Edouard Turcat, succeeds in launch and reaches space on May 24th. Unfortunately the German, Fritz Wendel, died on reentry earlier on April 15th, though not before becoming the first non-Briton into space.

In 1954 6 more successful attempts were made launching 2 Germans, 2 Britons and 2 Frenchmen into orbit. This was repeated in 1955 and looks set to do so again in 1956. During 1955 Britain's UKSAP (UK Satellite Agency Program) utilised the ESA launch facilities to launch a communications satellite network to serve Britain (more secretly spy and early warning satellites were also sent up) the ESA allows any member nation to do the same, using similar national programs, as part of it's treaty. Since 1954 the ESA has pioneered a new system of launches involving more active spacewalks and docking between two capsules (see RL Gemeni program).

In 1956 Germany has offered to research reuseable space planes as a national project prior to releasing the results to the ESA and hence reducing budget requirements. This has been deemed a suitable agreement by the other members.

The German government has also funded research into a space laboratory and have paid for the launches to set it up in 1959 but are looking for funding from the ESA members for maintenence costs.

Facilities

Queen Victoria Space Research Institute - encompassing several facilities on Heligoland comprising the central location for most ESA research. Germany provides a regiment of Imperial Guards for protection of the base.

Sierra Leone Launch Facility - facility outside of Freetown where the ESA's launches are handled, Britain provides a guard of the RAF regiment to protect the base and also handles recovery of escape capsules in the Atlantic from one of the Royal Navy's vessels on duty in the area.

Tracking stations - The ESA maintains several tracking stations around the world to track any large missile launches around the globe. This network includes stations in Sierra Leone, Heligoland and elsewhere, as well as a network of tracking ships to supplement them.

Members

United Kingdom
Germany
France
Netherlands
Belgium
Burgundy

Capabilities

All tech 7.5 lift systems, Manned Orbital Lab, 3 man space missions, X-20 type space planes,

Current Research as of end 1961:
Lunar Missions (12/48)
Heavy Lift Rockets (48/48)

Summary of projects

The ESA, based in the Queen Victoria Space Centre in Heligoland, has two separate tracks.

The British-Run Rocket and Moon Landing Sector works primarily on sending rockets to space and attempting to work towards an ESA moon landing. These are launched from the Sierra Leone Launch Center.

3 suborbital missions
33 orbital missions
3 successful landers to the moon

The German-Run Space Plane and Space Station Sector works primarily towards furthering Space Plane research and manning three Manned Orbital Laboratories. These are launched from the Friedrichshafen Space Plane Center.

3 Manned Orbital Laboratories
3 MOL manning Missions
6 Suborbital Space Plane Missions
23 Orbital Space Plane Missions

The ESA also has a separate satellite and probe division. Each nation funds its own separate probes and then launches them through the ESA. These are launched from the Sierra Leone Launch Center.

8 science satellites
4 Successful Probes: 2 to the moon, 1 to Mars, 1 to Venus
German, British, French Communications Satellite Network
German, British, French Spy Satellite Network
British Early Warning System

Achievements

First orbiting satellite (Sputnik type)
First man in sub-orbit (Günther Rall, Germany)
First man in orbit (Johnnie Johnson, UK)

reserved for ESA

Sorry, I must have posted my reply whilst you were posting yours!

If you want to do the post I can delete mine if you want.

Sorry, I must have posted my reply whilst you were posting yours!

If you want to do the post I can delete mine if you want.

I largely copied what you wrote in teh EEC thread, and then spiced it up. I hope you don't mind that I made three separate groups for the ESA but that's pretty much how it's evolved :p

And I will update our progress today too. Save your post for a bit, I'm going to see if there's anything wrong with mine!

Asian Space Agency

Founded: 1950

Capabalities: All launch systems available at Tech Level 7.5 except spaceplanes, Manned Orbital Lab, 4 manned space missions. All Tech Level 7.5 unmanned systems.

Current Research: Lunar Missions,Very Heavy lift rockets, Sub-orbital sapce planes. Will reach the moon early 1965

The Asian Space Agency has launched extensive satellite networks into orbit, including the Qiu Ling Improved Communications Network, the Zhen Jing Improved Spy Satellite Network, the Jian Jue Hu Ren Early Warning Satellite Network and the Kang Xue Jia Improved Science Satellite Network.
The Qiu Ling Improved Communications Network serves the whole of the SCT, while the other networks especially the Zhen Jing Improved Spy Satellite Network and the Jian Jue Hu Ren Early Warning Satellite Network encompass the whole globe.
The recently launched Tian Gen Orbital Space Laborotory is regularaly serviced by the new three man Tai Kun II missions.

The ASA was the later starter in the space race and has been somewhat behind the other two major oragnizations, however it is rapidly catching up thanks to the awesome economic might of China and the rest of the member nations. It is predicted that it will be an Asian who first walks on the moon and who will plant the SCT flag upon it's surface.

All SCT nations participate to some degree in the Asian Space Agency, from contributing funds to hosting facilities.

-ASA facilities:
Hat Yai Asian Space Centre (Thailand, Hat Yai) [HYASC]
Gyade Auxillary Launch Site (Tibet, Nagchu) [GALS]
Admiral Yi Memorial Training Centre (Korea, Pyongyang) [AYMTC]
Central Asian Space Research Institute (China, Hong Kong) [CASRI]
Satellite Ground Control Station (Japan, Yokohama) [SGCS]
Gobi Rocket Test Range (Mongolia, Dalandzagad) [GRTR]
Panay Satellite Launch Site (The Phillipines, Panay) [PSLS]

-Space tracking Station:
Phu Bia Space Telemetry Station (Laos, Phu Bia) [PBSTS]
Lhasa Space Telemetry Station (Tibet, Lhasa) [LSTS]
Nan Chang Space Telemetry Station (China, Nan Chang) [NCSTS]
Helongjiang Space Telemetry Station (China, Harbin) [HSTS]
Kumch'on Space Telemetry Station (Burma, Taegu) [KSTS]
Madhya Space Telemetry Station (Pakistan, Jalapur) [MSTS]
Kerala Space Telemetry Station (Pakistan, Cochin) [KeSTS]
Panay Space Telemetry Station (The Phillipines, Lloila City) [PSTS]
Ontake Space Tracking Centre (Japan, Nagano) [OSTC]

As well as numerous sea borne tracking ships.

OOC:

A minor nitpick, but Tibet and Mongolia are a part of China, and should be labelled as such to avoid confusion (although Tibet and Mongolia are "states" of China much like Florida and California are "states" of the USA).

May I ask how you all are going to get to the Moon first? There IS a limit to how much research you can spend...

Parthini']May I ask how you all are going to get to the Moon first? There IS a limit to how much research you can spend...

I think (and I may be wrong) that while the ESA was founded in 1949, it started doing space stuff after the ASA was founded (originally ASP, and I'm pretty sure we started right off)

I think (and I may be wrong) that while the ESA was founded in 1949, it started doing space stuff after the ASA was founded (originally ASP, and I'm pretty sure we started right off)

Nope... I can guarentee you we've been doing as much as possible since the beginning... I'm pretty sure you guys have been doing too much research. I'm almost positive that there's a limit, like 24 points for research.

Arab League Space Agency
Founded: 1953
Arab League Headquarters: Damascus
Space Agency Headquarters: Baghdad

Current Members
United Nile Republics
Syria
Arab Federation
Basra
*Germany has contributed large amounts of money

Possible Members
Jordan
Western Arabia
Kuwait
Oman
Yemen
Morocco
Italy (Libya)
*UIR can if he joins the Arab League

Objectives Statement
An optional aspect of the Arab League, this group was founded in 1953 to try and give Arab nations a chance in the so-called "space race." However, the program is far behind the American, European, and SCT programs.

Researched in 1961:
-Solid Fuel Missiles
-Gemini-Type Missions

Accomplishments:
-Sub-Orbital Missions
-Animal Spaceflight
-Manned Spaceflight
-Communication Satellite Network
-Spy Satellite Network
-Science Satellite Network

Goals:
-An Arab League Space Station
-A Successful Lunar Landing
-Further Exploration of Space

CSPS Space Agency

Members:
Scandic Union
Poland
Ukraine
Turkey
Kashgaria
Central Asian Republic
Azerbaijan


Orignally, it started as the Scandic Union's space agency before the alliance's conception as none of the other individual natios had the capability to do so. It started off as mostly a military program, the space benefits being just extra plusses from the missile research which was the main focus. The SSA(Scandic Space Agency) didn't truly take off untill Germany's Gunther Rall became the first man to make a suborbital flight. After that, the SSA recieved its own budget, seperate from the military, to bring the Scandic Union up to speed with the rest of the world. The first of two launch facilities in the Scandic Union was established in Skane, while the second was built a few years later on the Kola Peninsula. The CSPS SA formed when the seperate alliances between the Turkics and the SU and the SU and Poland/Ukraine merged into one regional alliance. After tech transfers and massive aid from the SU brought the member nations up to a modern level the CSPS SA budget tripled and since then the CSPS has been up front with the rest of the leaders in space travel and exploration. Two new launch facilties were built in the CAR and in the Ukraine which have helped to succesfully put a man in orbit from each member nation. Probes have succesfully been sent to the moon, Mars and Venus, with landers planned for the moon in 1962, while 61 saw the first use of the CSPS's brand new space plane. An improved communications network services all member nations, as does a spy satellite network. The CSPS SA has suffered its fair share of setbacks, including the recent explosion upon launch of a rocket carrying Vagif Aslanov, Azerbaijan's first man scheduled to orbit the Earth, but has made great strides since its relatively slow start.


Current research projects:
Very heavy lift rockets(24/48)
Manned orbital laboratory(10/24)

Missions this Year:
3 Space Plane orbital launches

Parthini']Nope... I can guarentee you we've been doing as much as possible since the beginning... I'm pretty sure you guys have been doing too much research. I'm almost positive that there's a limit, like 24 points for research.

1. IRBMs allow for a putting something into space, plus another 12 points and you can replicate the first Mercury mission (but cannot achieve orbit)

1 year needed for this at 12 points per year.

2. ICBMs allow for Sputnik, and with 24 more points, you can replicate Mercury type missions (achieve orbit)

2 years needed for this at 12 points per year.

3. 12 points for Improved satellite technology (allows satellite networks etc)

1 year needed for this at 12 points per year.

4. 12 more points plus Large ICBMs and you can replicate Gemini type missions.

1 year needed for this at 12 points per year.

5. 24 points gets you heavy lift rockets (Saturn V)

2 years needed for this at 12 points per year.

(total so far = 7 years, and ASA was established in 1950, giving it a leeway of 3 years in research between 1950 and 1960)

6. Very heavy lift Rockets (Energia/Saturn VB type rockets). Must be Tech level 7.5, requires 48 points of research.

4 years needed for this at 12 points per year. ASA started researching this (Very Heavy rockets) in 1960 and finish at end of 1964.

Your also researching MOL's and Space Planes no?

Parthini']Your also researching MOL's and Space Planes no?

Yes. However, the caps for "Payloads" is seperate from the rocket research.

EDIT: I believe the ASA already finished MOL tech research (but not send an actual one up into space). Ditto for Space Planes. I may be wrong though.

I don't remember there being caps on "payloads" in the old space tech rules before this new thread. Besides, China and the nations of the SCT has contributed sufficient funds to research the maximum "Rockets" and "Payloads" research caps for almost 7 years now, give or take a few.

Ato-Sara handles all the ASA researches, though.

Yes. However, the caps for "Payloads" is seperate from the rocket research.

As well as the fact that only the numbered research items are capped

As for the Tibet/Mongolia thing, it is just there to give a better I dea of where the facility is, you will notice that Hat Yai facility is listed under Thailand.

As well as the fact that only the numbered research items are capped

As for the Tibet/Mongolia thing, it is just there to give a better I dea of where the facility is, you will notice that Hat Yai facility is listed under Thailand.

Ahh, thanks for clarification, Ato-Sara.

Its just that I did a double-take when I saw Tibet and Mongolia- for a millisecond I thought they seceded from China again (crazy I know).

Anyways, I stand corrected- keep the location labels and names as they are. Its fine by me.

EDIT: I believe the ASA already finished MOL tech research (but not send an actual one up into space). Ditto for Space Planes. I may be wrong though.

I don't remember there being caps on "payloads" in the old space tech rules before this new thread. Besides, China and the nations of the SCT has contributed sufficient funds to research the maximum "Rockets" and "Payloads" research caps for almost 7 years now, give or take a few.

Ato-Sara handles all the ASA researches, though.

If you read the ASA thing we do actually have a MOL. The Tian Gen Orbital Space Laborotory went up last year.

As for space planes we haven't finished research just yet.
Seeing the new rules on research caps Im going to have to shift alot of our secondary research back, but we will still get to the moon first as that is our primary goal for the moment.

South African Aersopace Agency

Founded in 1959, the SAASA was largely an organization of South African national pride, as most of South Africa's space missions were undertaken in conjunction with the American NASA. However, after the formation of the Oceanic Alliance and the subsequent cooling of South African-American relations, SAASA began to take a more direct role in the country's aerospace affairs, launching several satellite networks and culiminating in a manned orbital laboratory in 1960.

Further information will be added as it becomes relevant.

Hmmm... I still don't see how its possible for the ASA there before the ESA and ASF. I can guarentee you that if we could have spent the research, we'd have done it...

Yes. However, the caps for "Payloads" is seperate from the rocket research.

EDIT: I believe the ASA already finished MOL tech research (but not send an actual one up into space). Ditto for Space Planes. I may be wrong though.

I don't remember there being caps on "payloads" in the old space tech rules before this new thread. Besides, China and the nations of the SCT has contributed sufficient funds to research the maximum "Rockets" and "Payloads" research caps for almost 7 years now, give or take a few.

Ato-Sara handles all the ASA researches, though.

seperating research by payload and launchers made sense, hence the change.

Parthini']Hmmm... I still don't see how its possible for the ASA there before the ESA and ASF. I can guarentee you that if we could have spent the research, we'd have done it...

by the way, you haven't reached Jupiter or Saturn yet... first, it takes tech 8 to pull it off, secondly, they wouldn't have reached them yet in any case (look up the travel time for Voyager)

I knew my probes weren't to Saturn... Oh I think LR posted that I had... Apparently he already rolled for them and my satellites made it to Jupiter and Saturn but screwed up near Uranus.

And I thought you could send probes as far away as you want. It only says that landers are tech level 8.

Either way, with the caps, is it just that LR and GB haven't been spending the max on research every year, because I HIGHLY doubt that.

Parthini']I knew my probes weren't to Saturn... Oh I think LR posted that I had... Apparently he already rolled for them and my satellites made it to Jupiter and Saturn but screwed up near Uranus.

And I thought you could send probes as far away as you want. It only says that landers are tech level 8.

Either way, with the caps, is it just that LR and GB haven't been spending the max on research every year, because I HIGHLY doubt that.

mission time to Jupiter is 2 years, and another year after that to Saturn

http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/timeline.html

Voyager was launched in 1977, and it had a lot of systems that are tech 8, so really, interplanetary missions into the outer Solar System just aren't doable yet.

mission time to Jupiter is 2 years, and another year after that to Saturn

http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/timeline.html

Voyager was launched in 1977, and it had a lot of systems that are tech 8, so really, interplanetary missions into the outer Solar System just aren't doable yet.

Yeah, I just figured that out. Sigh... I guess I'll just change that into funding for resupplying the MOLs...

It took Voyager over 9 years to reach Neptune and Uranus.

So am I to take it that Jupiter missions and beyond (Saturn, Neptune, Uranus, Pluto, etc.) cannot be undertaken until Tech level 8 in 1970 onwards?

I notice that the Space Elevator is not listed as a viable project, is there a reason?

Also would it be possible to make a larger Manned orbital laborotory by 'upgrading it' with new modules e.g. spending 20 points per new module or something like that?

It took Voyager over 9 years to reach Neptune and Uranus.

So am I to take it that Jupiter missions and beyond (Saturn, Neptune, Uranus, Pluto, etc.) cannot be undertaken until Tech level 8 in 1970 onwards?

that is correct

I notice that the Space Elevator is not listed as a viable project, is there a reason?

Also would it be possible to make a larger Manned orbital laborotory by 'upgrading it' with new modules e.g. spending 20 points per new module or something like that?

its tech level 9+ due to the materials requirements (we don't have them yet for one thing in real life)

its tech level 9+ due to the materials requirements (we don't have them yet for one thing in real life)

I remember doing some research into space elevators last year.

There's several different types.

1. 2/3 length.

Anchored on the ground or sea on Earth itself and goes all the way up to either LEO (lower earth orbit).

2. Full Length.

Goes from "ground" to HEO (high earth orbit)

3. Half length

Runs from LEO to HEO.

4. Segments

Several short sections that runs for a dozen miles each.


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I also know that some materials used would probably be carbon nanotubes or silksteel (metal with spidersilk). Probably need some superconductors for the elevators.

There's also the problem of material. How or where would you produce enough metal to build, say, a 1000+ mile tall "skyscraper". According to Modern Marvels, a planned 1 mile tall skyscraper named "Millennium Tower" would tie up 10% of the world's steel production just to supply the construction materials. Thats for a 1 mile tall skyscraper- how much would you think a 1000+ mile one would need? Besides, the distance from the ground to optimal HEO would be 50,000 miles or more.

Huge project, unless you're able to mine asteroids and stuff for billions of tons worth of metal and such for a space elevator, or find another way to produce the sheer amounts of metal needed for a space elevator.

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/space_elevator_020327-1.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast07sep_1.htm

Ok. In all seriousness, would a laser cannon mounted on a space station be tech level 9?

I am guessing level 10. By the way, I need a few econ questions asked. And no one answers TG's anymore, SOOO what'd I do. Cause I need help with what building points, commerce points, and all that. Do they all end up as simple points in the end or what? I just hope I don't screw up too majorly on monday. And I know that's not the same as space, but it will be if I want to be out of tech level 7.

Parthini']Ok. In all seriousness, would a laser cannon mounted on a space station be tech level 9?

most definitely at least tech level 9

I am guessing level 10. By the way, I need a few econ questions asked. And no one answers TG's anymore, SOOO what'd I do. Cause I need help with what building points, commerce points, and all that. Do they all end up as simple points in the end or what? I just hope I don't screw up too majorly on monday. And I know that's not the same as space, but it will be if I want to be out of tech level 7.

no TGs have been sent to me... although this week I am busy so it will be hard for me to get to them. I will be more available after Sunday

OK, continuing the seriousness, what about spacecraft that have weapons on them that can attack other spacecraft?

I'm not talking deathstar or anything. Just like an X-20 with some little laser guns. The Spacewaffe or something.

Parthini']OK, continuing the seriousness, what about spacecraft that have weapons on them that can attack other spacecraft?

I'm not talking deathstar or anything. Just like an X-20 with some little laser guns. The Spacewaffe or something.

Anything can be a weapon in space- even tiny pieces of trash. ;)

Russian Space Agency

While Russia's space program has been inactive for many years, as part of a new pro-Science intiative to be introduced this year, it will be restarted. Several satellite networks have been placed into space by the US (Science, Communications, and secretly Spy satellites, under the guise of science sattellites).

A new launch facility will be built near Volgograd, and simple missions will begin next year.

OOC: Maybe GB or I since I have the third post, should copy all of the various space agencies and organize them together.

IC: The ESA SP3S (Space Plane and Space Station Sector) refitted the first MOL this year, as well as sent up 9 X-20 replenishing missions. 2 Other Suborbital missions and 2 Orbital Missions took place.

No other plans are made aside from continual maintainance of the 3 MOLs and periodic Orbital missions are made. Most efforts are directed towards the eventual moon landing that the RMLS (Rocket and Moon Landing Sector) is currently working towards.

OOC2: Is there anything cool I can do with my MOLs like jump from one to the other or grow plants or something.

Alliance Space Force missions for 1961
US funded
2 Gemini missions (crew service missions to Yankee and Dixie Stations) 16 points
12 X20 Dynasoar missions (crew exchange and resupply missions for MLO) 48 points
1 unmanned Lunar Lander mission 4 points
2 unmanned Lunar orbiter missions 2 points
Improved Communications satellite network maintenance 18 points (covers 600 million people in US, Brazil, Canada, Australasia, FNS, Belgium, Burgundy, Netherlands, and South Africa)
Spy satellite maintenance 6 points (both hemispheres)
Early Warning satellite maintenance 6 points (both hemispheres

Other funding (12 Canada, 6 Australia, 6 FNS)
24 points Apollo program (year 2 of 5) (3 man missions, Lunar missions)

1962 OA/ESA activities to be posted later today, along with 1963 plans

OOC: GB, do you want me to merge the ESA MOLs into the joint thing, in other words do you want me to give you or LR the points that I spent on the two MOLs and have him do that?

I'm keeping one for myself. I do... stuff there...

Parthini']OOC: GB, do you want me to merge the ESA MOLs into the joint thing, in other words do you want me to give you or LR the points that I spent on the two MOLs and have him do that?

I'm keeping one for myself. I do... stuff there...

US suggests that for 1963 the ESA fund Germini resupply missions for the ESA MOLs, and pay for its own crew transfer missions. A more formal plan is under study

ooc
when I don't have a migraine headache.. figure monday on that

US suggests that for 1963 the ESA fund Germini resupply missions for the ESA MOLs, and pay for its own crew transfer missions. A more formal plan is under study

ooc
when I don't have a migraine headache.. figure monday on that

So next year? I can handle that.

So where is the SCT on this? I forgot.

Mexico would like the Alliance Space force to extend its Communications Satellites to cover Mexico. It is hoped that the 2.5 points invested in the force by Mexico will cover this.

So where is the SCT on this? I forgot.

Landing on the moon next year....

Mexico would like the Alliance Space force to extend its Communications Satellites to cover Mexico. It is hoped that the 2.5 points invested in the force by Mexico will cover this.

ooc
Mexico is already covered, as is all of Central America and the Caribbean

IC
Admiral Heinlein realizes that Thurmond shouldn't be President, but too late to recall flights that have transferred several large warheads up to Yankee Station, or the 6 X20s currently in orbit with nuclear tipped missiles.

Attempts are made to recall them, but problems are discovered with the codes. Without the override code that LeMay has, the spacecraft will not accept a recall.

OOC - Ah cool. Just got to work on my electronics for...hold on a second. That doesn't work, check the economics thread.

The ESA makes an announcement that it will continue the Apollo missions with its own funding for completion in 1965, some hope that the SCT will be hampered by the need to rebuild and that enough data can be salvaged from ESA files on the US led program to continue it, failing that progress will be delayed by 2 years as the ESA restarts from where it left off prior to merger with the OASF.

OOC: Not sure what effects the present situation will have on this, but hopefully ESA scientists will have copies of OASF data at their base on Heligoland, if not then research will restart where the ESA left off.

The UIP requests that no missle launches be made this year due to current events.

The US conducts some hurried space missions in an attempt to rescue stranded crew aboard Yankee Station. However the crew are dead by the time the rescue mission is conducted in early February.

Air Marshal James Edgar "Johnnie" Johnson CB, CBE, DSO and two Bars, DFC and Bar; the British representative to the ESA announces Britain's intentions to fund 2 (and possibly 3) lunar landing missions next year. Though unlikely to beat the ASA to the moon the ESA will at least have a presence there. The crews (of 3) will include representatives from as many ESA nations as possible, the first launch taking British, French and German crewmembers the second taking Belgian, Dutch and Burgundian pilots. A flag is hoped to be developed to represent the ESA and be planted in the surface of the moon. Further flights are planned for 1966.

OOC: Any funding needed?

OOC: Any funding needed?

It'd help, especially for probes to the moon to judge landing sites. I am near enough finished my 65 builds just need to factor in food, and it looks like I can't fund any of these.

I'll contribute 12 points

In December of 1964, the last crews of the 3 European MOLs prepare to depart. With the Economic Crash and Germany's inability to fund the MOL project, the MOLs will be unmanned for a year at least. As the 9 pilots leave, they place special locks on thier ships and change the orbit for the MOLs so that they will stay afloat in space for several years without manual direction. The last to leave, a Burgundian begins to cry.

(Basically, I'm going to leave them in orbit until the Brits or French or even Bulgarians want to do something with them. My hope is that they will remain in stasis and not need to be manned until 1970)

Senior ASA officials begin planning the recovery and repair of the ASA space borne systems. There is also hints of carrying on with the moon missions.
Without two of the biggest contributors to the organization funds will be tight however.

(OOC: If I can manage to marshall enough funds for a Lunar mission or two they will also be taking palce in 1966)

The French are thanked for their contributions to the ESA coffers, several lunar probes will be sent in 1965. The ESA notes the understandable lack of funding from Germany for several years and hopes to re-man the MOLs using British and French funding in a few years time.

the US continues military missions in 1964, but from 65 -69, USF manned missions are restricted to manning Yankee and Dixie Stations, and USF unmanned missions restricted to satellite replacement

The North American Union Space Force (USF) remains under the command of Admiral Heinlein and retains bases in California, New Mexico, Florida, Colorado, Texas, Virginia, Mississippi and Alabama. Tracking stations remain open in South Africa, the FNS, Australia, St. Helena, Diego Garcia, Iceland and throughout the Pacific.

Rumania politely inquires as to whether membership in the ESA is possible. They can begin funding starting in 1966, though the amount of money coming in may fluctuate until the economy becomes stable again.

The Paney Launch Sites upgrade has been postponed until proper stabilization can allow for it.

soon to be updated

How much extra do I have to spend in order to make my launch site capable of sending a man into space?

Rules

Space planes
Now have a permanent cost (as they are a permanent asset like an aircraft and not disposable like space capsules)
X15 type (tech level 7) 2 man crew (usually 1) cost 10, maintenance 5 plus 4 points for each mission. Can fly up to once a month
X20 type (tech level 7.5) 2 man crew (usually 1) cost 15, maintenance 5 plus 4 points for each mission. Can fly up to once a month. Can be armed with 2 missiles (light missiles with small nuclear warheads)
Enterprise type Space Shuttle (tech level 8) 7 man crew (varies), can be armed (with orbit to space missiles or space intercept missiles – up to 20). Can carry the historical cargos indicated by real life. Cost is 20, maintenance is 10, can fly twice a year.

As of 1965, the North Americans had 2 X15 and 6 X20s, the ESA 4 X20s, as did other Space Agencies that had invested and conducted missions using X20 type spacecraft.



NEW INFORMATION

How much extra do I have to spend in order to make my launch site capable of sending a man into space?

its factored into the cost of space tracking systems and mission costs and research costs

Thanks GB. Gotta put that in for 1971 or 1972. WHichever I can afford it in first.

working on GPS satellites and other unmanned craft and probes.. more to come on that

North American Space efforts 1965-70
1965
1 X20 Mission for practice, no other missions other then routine satellite launches, both MOLs are intentionally reentered and burn up over the Pacific Ocean
1966
Apollo 8 manned mission to orbit Moon (15 points) in June, 3 manned X20 missions (practice)
1967
Apollo 9 manned mission to orbit Moon in March, Apollo 10 manned mission to orbit Moon (mission fails, but successful return) in September, 2 X20 missions
1968
Apollo 11 manned mission to land on Moon (July), Apollo 12 manned mission to land on Moon (October), 3 points research on Space Shuttle Enterprise project (year 1 of 2), 1 X20 mission (practice)
1969
Apollo 13 manned mission to land on Moon (March)(mission fails but crew successfully returns) , Apollo 14 manned mission to land on Moon (August), 3 points research on Space Shuttle Enterprise project (year 2 of 2), 2 X20 missions (practice), 3 points on science satellite missions (climate check)
1970
construction space shuttle Enterprise, 1 mission of Space shuttle Enterprise (practice), X20 now just an emergency rescue vehicle

OOC - Is Central America involved in the USF? Seeing as though I was contributing before through Mexico? Maybe I could be a partner member?

oocL:what do I need to do (points and purchase wise) to keep Australia under a satellite network? Does the American one still service me or do I need to take over launches at Townsville?

oocL:what do I need to do (points and purchase wise) to keep Australia under a satellite network? Does the American one still service me or do I need to take over launches at Townsville?

if you kick in some points the American one will cover you, otherwise, you will have to take over launches. The Americans don't have the money in the Twilight Years to provide it otherwise.

oocL:what do I need to do (points and purchase wise) to keep Australia under a satellite network? Does the American one still service me or do I need to take over launches at Townsville?
Or you could get coveage from the ASA one.
It's networks are back up, but I don't know how much of them because people are being vauge about amounts donated between '65 and '69

Or you could get coveage from the ASA one.
It's networks are back up, but I don't know how much of them because people are being vauge about amounts donated between '65 and '69

a total of 7pts. from the UIR, more from Japan when I get around to doing their's

Good I am still covered then.

oocL:what do I need to do (points and purchase wise) to keep Australia under a satellite network? Does the American one still service me or do I need to take over launches at Townsville?

Or you could talk to the EEC. You are, after all, Commonwealth and a friend of my friend is my friend :)

Or you could make your own for you and your pupp... I mean allies.

I'll take that as a joke. And how long does the SOuth Seas ALliance have to be together before we are considered a proper league and all? We meet the four country minimum requirment. Thank you Malaysia for that.

The UIP wonders if any former US countries are willing to sell one of their X-20's to the Filipino Space Commision. Also asks SCT nations.

Parthini']Or you could talk to the EEC. You are, after all, Commonwealth and a friend of my friend is my friend :)

Or you could make your own for you and your pupp... I mean allies.

hey, you be nice to my pupp..I mean allies!

Anyway, I'll work some funding into helping somebody on their network. I guess my first big decision is to choose which alliance--dont suppose I can just choose everybody can I?

And if I was to take over supplying my own network, how many points does that cost a year?

Its 6 points for a satellite network that covers 200 million people.

Parthini']Its 6 points for a satellite network that covers 200 million people.

Improved network (which I had at one time) is 12 points.

My 1969 build has 5 points to the North Americans to help refurbish my network if it has fallen into disrepair. Relevant launches can be out of Townsville. Let me know if this is not acceptable please.

Several ESA personell approach Nigeria and South Africa about the possibility of cooperating in Space efforts.

Improved network (which I had at one time) is 12 points.

My 1969 build has 5 points to the North Americans to help refurbish my network if it has fallen into disrepair. Relevant launches can be out of Townsville. Let me know if this is not acceptable please.

That will help

[ additional unmanned capabilities will become available at Tech Level 8

GPS satellite system cost 100 points to install, for each 25% installed, will provide reduction of space disaster chances by 1% and once completed provides a substantial military advantage. Required to reach Tech Level 8.5. Research cost is 12 points.

Digital Communications Satellite Networks. Acts exactly as an improved satellite network but covers 500 million people, costs 6 points, and can be launched by large rockets like the Titan missile (3rd generation liquid fueled rocket) or even spare 3rd generation solid fuel ICBMs you have lying around. In which case the cost is 5 points a year. Research cost is 12 points. Required to reach tech level 8.5

Digital Spy satellites. Cost is 20 points, is essentially an unmanned MOL, and requires heavy lift rockets or space shuttle to get into orbit, plus 12 points of research to gain technology. 1 Satellite lasts 5 years and covers 25% of the planet at one time. 4 gives you planetary coverage. Best of all, no maintenance cost, but you have to replace it when it runs out of fuel after 5 years. Essentially the KH13

Deep radar satellites. Cost is 4 points, and ALL military installations that a potential opponent has are immediately known, including caves, tunnels etc. One of these showed the World the underwater water flow from the Nile River showing the Soviets once and for all that hiding silos wasn't possible. Research cost is 12 points, and a network costs 4 points a year.

new space probes coming soon

If we have a spare MOL or 4 can we just refit that to be the Digital Spy Satellite?

Parthini']If we have a spare MOL or 4 can we just refit that to be the Digital Spy Satellite?

doesnt' work that way... its the same size, but its not designed the same

otherwise the Americans wouldn't have intentionally reetered theirs

doesnt' work that way... its the same size, but its not designed the same

otherwise the Americans wouldn't have intentionally reetered theirs

Ok, well can we use MOLs to build Skylabs thus making them cheaper? I mean, we have 4 of them....

ASA launch, research and construction between 1965 and 1970

ASA 1965 Budget

Contributions[14]:
USEA: 0
China: 0
Burma: 0
Korea: 6
UIR: 0
Japan: 8
The Phillipines: 0

Research:

Orbital Space Plane Research 2/6 -2 points

Construction:

Launches:

1x Tai Kun II mission- 8 points

6x Yin Feng Sub-Orbital Space Plane Missions- Free

Maintenance:
Tian Gen Orbital Space Laborotry: 4 points




ASA 1966 Budget

Contributions[106]:
USEA: 0
China: 0
Burma:
Korea: 6
UIR: 0
Japan: 100
The Phillipines: 0

Research:

Orbital Space Plane Research 6/6 -4 points

Improved Orbital Laborototory Research 2/24 - 2 points

Construction:

1x Communication satellite network (South East Asia)- 12 Points

1x Communication satellite network (Southern China)- 12 Points

1x Communication satellite network (Northern China)- 12 Points

1x Communication satellite network (Northeast Asia and Japan)- 12 Points

1x Communication satellite network (Central China)- 12 Points

Zhen Jing Improved Spy Satellite Network- 6 Points

Jian Jue Hu Ren Early Warning Satellite Network- 6 points

Launches:

2x Tai Kun II mission- 16 points

6x Yin Feng Sub-Orbital Space Plane Missions- Free

Maintenance:
Tian Gen Orbital Space Laborotry: 4 points
2x Type-1 Yin Feng Space Planes: 8 points




ASA 1967 Budget

Contributions[106]:
USEA: 0
China: 0
Burma: 0
Korea: 6
UIR: 0
Japan: 100
The Phillipines: 0

Research:

Improved Orbital Laborototory Research 14/24 - 12 points

Construction:

1x Type-2 Ang Feng Space plane- 15 points

Launches:

2x Yue Shen Moon missions- 30 points

3x Tai Kun II mission- 24 points

1x Yin Feng Orbital space plane mission- 4 points

6x Yin Feng Sub-Orbital Space Plane Missions- Free

Maintenance:
Tian Gen Orbital Space Laborotry: 4 points
2x Type-1 Yin Feng Space Planes: 8 points
Zhen Jing Improved Spy Satellite Network [ZJSN]: 6 points
Jian Jue Hu Ren Early Warning Satellite Network [JEWN]: 3 points



ASA 1968 Budget

Contributions[25]:
USEA: 0
China: 0
Burma: 0
Korea: 6
UIR: 0
Japan: 19
The Phillipines: 0

Research:

Improved Orbital Laborototory Research 14/24 - 0 points

Construction:

Launches:

Maintenance:
Tian Gen Orbital Space Laborotry: 4 points
2x Type-1 Yin Feng Space Planes: 8 points
1x Type-2 Ang Feng Space plane: 5 points
Zhen Jing Improved Spy Satellite Network [ZJSN]: 6 points
Jian Jue Hu Ren Early Warning Satellite Network [JEWN]: 3 points


ASA 1969 Budget

Contributions[51]:
USEA: 0
China: 0
Burma: 0
Korea: 6
UIR: 0
Japan: 45
The Phillipines: 0

Research:

Improved Orbital Laborototory Research 24/24 - 10 points

Construction:

Launches:

2x Tai Kun II mission- 16 points

6x Yin Feng Sub-Orbital Space Plane Missions- Free

Maintenance:
Tian Gen Orbital Space Laborotry: 4 points
2x Type-1 Yin Feng Space Planes: 8 points
1x Type-2 Ang Feng Space plane: 5 points
Zhen Jing Improved Spy Satellite Network [ZJSN]: 6 points
Jian Jue Hu Ren Early Warning Satellite Network [JEWN]: 3 points


ASA 1970 Budget

Contributions[117]:
USEA: 19
China: 0
Burma: 21
Korea: 6
UIR: 0
Japan: 67
The Phillipines: 4

Research:

Space Shuttle Research- 6 points

Construction:

1x Type-2 Ang Feng Space plane- 15 points

Tian Gong Orbital Laborotory (Skylab) 8/25- 8 points

Launches:

3x Tai Kun II mission- 24 points

2x Yue Shen Moon mission- 30 points

2x Ang Feng Orbital Space Plane Missions- 8 points

6x Yin Feng Sub-Orbital Space Plane Missions- Free

Maintenance:
Tian Gen Orbital Space Laborotry: 4 points
2x Type-1 Yin Feng Space Planes: 8 points
1x Type-2 Ang Feng Space plane: 5 points
Zhen Jing Improved Spy Satellite Network [ZJSN]: 6 points
Jian Jue Hu Ren Early Warning Satellite Network [JEWN]: 3 points


As you can see by 1970 we will have full coverage of our comms satellites back up (All 60 points worth). We will also have our early warning and spy satellite networks back up.

Three ASA Moon missions will have taken place and the ASA as an organization will be tech level 8. This is all thanks to Japan who have provided mammoth amounts of funding when it was sorely needed.

However all those Tech level 8 sapce techs are quite pricey and Japan certainly won't be able to handle it on it's own.

Burma: 13

As Burma may soon fall into civil war do you really think they would donate so much with the world economy utterly depressed?

As Burma may soon fall into civil war do you really think they would donate so much with the world economy utterly depressed?

Eh?
Burma isn't about to fall to civil war, their one of my closest allies. Their economy wasn't hit that bad (I know I do Burma's builds) and I very capable od donating that much.
And since Im in a lot better shape now anyone messing with them will find themselves messing me, and Korea, and Japan.

Eh?
Burma isn't about to fall to civil war, there one of my closest allies.
And since Im in a lot better shape now anyone messing with them will find themselves messing me, and Korea, and Japan.

GB is rolling, they might have a civil war between North and South do to pressure from the great depression and unresolved ethnic conflict. A lot of NPC countries are on the rocks, 8,800,000 people are going to starve to death in Ethiopia, the Congo may collapse, Sudan is in Civil war, the conflict in East Africa could spread into Kenya and the East African colonies, est. Its going to be a bloody five to ten years.

GB is rolling, they might have a civil war between North and South do to pressure from the great depression and unresolved ethnic conflict. A lot of NPC countries are on the rocks, 8,800,000 people are going to starve to death in Ethiopia, the Congo may collapse, Sudan is in Civil war, the conflict in East Africa could spread into Kenya and the East African colonies, est. Its going to be a bloody five to ten years.

But Burma Isn't starving, sure they don't produce enough food to support thier own population, but they nrever have and production levels haven't changed becasue they are below the Tropic of Capricorn and so there is no extra hardship.

Edit: Arghh noooo.... you were right, Burma only has ebough for itself nothing to donate.
Missed that damn quatering of commerce section.
But still Burma is fine they have good social services a strong military and powerful allies.
They have taken a nsaty hit due to those commerce reductions, but noting to stop them.
Here is Burma's 1965 build as proof:

1965 Burma Build

Population: 19.5 million
Tech level: 6
Economy: (Normal Spending) [3% growth + 1% SCT bonus= 0% (due to global depression]
Economic Budget [19]: Production Centres[11]: Rangoon 3, Toungoo 2, Sittwe 2, Magwe 2, Loi-Kaw 2. Commerce [8]: 30x Shipping unit 8. Growth [0]: 0 Growth

Domestic Spending:

Level 4 social spending 10 points

National Air Defense Warning System- 2 points

6 Imported food- .75 points

Military Spending:

Maintenance:
1 Light Infantry Division .25 points,
1 Mechanised Infantry Division .5 points,
3 Mechanized flak groups 1.5 points
--
1 Ht-3 'Tou' Helicopter Unit .25 points
2 Mirage III fighter unit 2 points
3 Pilot Units 0 points
--
2 Coastal Patrol Groups .5 points
Destroyer unit .25 points
1 Patrol / Escort group .25 points

Total= 5.5 points

Burma
Enercy Calculations
Energy Needed:
Production, Commerce and Military: 2

Energy Avaliable:
--1 Oil, 1 Natural Gas

Energy Used:
--1 Oil for Production, Commerce and Military
--1 Natural Gas for Production, Commerce and Military


Burma Food Production:
12 points

Required:
20

Imported
6

But Burma Isn't starving, sure they don't produce enough food to support thier own population, but they nrever have and production levels haven't changed becasue they are below the Tropic of Capricorn and so there is no extra hardship.

The people in the North hate the people in the South and vice a versa, there are ethnic problems that were not solved despite what the British tried, so this depression could well trigger violence even if the hardship is minor. Both sides wanting to give more to themselves at the expense of each other while a preception grows that resources could quickly become scarce.

The people in the North hate the people in the South and vice a versa, there are ethnic problems that were not solved despite what the British tried, so this depression could well trigger violence even if the hardship is minor. Both sides wanting to give more to themselves at the expense of each other while a preception grows that resources could quickly become scarce.

There is no hardship in Burma whatsoever. No rationing of anything, the economic depression has just wiped out all it's excess capital that it used for improvements, thats all.
Thought the ethic hatred does present a problem, the government in Burma is strong, it has a well trained and loyal military and provides it citizens with substantial social safety networks. Trandportation networks are extensive and of good quality having been paid for by the Asian Economic Fund.
Rural electrification has taken place, binding the rural and Urban populations closer together. Rangoon is a major container port as it serves traffic coming through the Kra Canal.
If the worst comes to the worst Burma would almost certianly ask for help from it's fellow SCT members Indochina, Korea, Japan, UIR and The Phillipines.(China is in no state to help)

Most civil wars happen when one side trys to vote itself more resources by simple majority... And the civil war might to a insurgency in the more isolated jungle areas rather then a flown blown conventional civil war...in which case Burma will suffer. GB shall soon decide/roll its fate.

OOC: PLease, please take this somewhere else. I check out the SPACE thread and see people arguing about whether or not Burma is going to fall into civil war.

Ato, talk to GB about it, in the main thread please. From what he told me it was a division between the highlanders and lowlanders.

No more Burma in Space thread unless Burma is sending something to the moon.

(Though Amestria is right, 65 onwards will be very bloody times in Africa and elsewhere)

Japan's contributing 100 in 1966 and 100 in 1967, just picking up some slack

Parthini']Ok, well can we use MOLs to build Skylabs thus making them cheaper? I mean, we have 4 of them....
yes, that you can do

OOC: PLease, please take this somewhere else. I check out the SPACE thread and see people arguing about whether or not Burma is going to fall into civil war.

Ato, talk to GB about it, in the main thread please. From what he told me it was a division between the highlanders and lowlanders.

No more Burma in Space thread unless Burma is sending something to the moon.

(Though Amestria is right, 65 onwards will be very bloody times in Africa and elsewhere)

Sorry though, Burma is sending someone to the moon is 1967 :p

(*Hugs Haneastic*)

On a different note is this correct?

X15 type (tech level 7) 2 man crew (usually 1) cost 10, maintenance 5 plus 4 points for each mission. Can fly up to once a month
This is exactly the same as the X20 and before X15 missions were free.

Tag

Sorry though, Burma is sending someone to the moon is 1967 :p

(*Hugs Haneastic*)

On a different note is this correct?


This is exactly the same as the X20 and before X15 missions were free.

suborbital flights are free, ORBITAL flights are not free and never have been
reason is simple.. a suborbital X15 flight uses just the onboard engine of the craft after it is hauled up to atmosphere by a B52

orbital flight requires a booster rocket the size of the Minuteman

suborbital flights are free, ORBITAL flights are not free and never have been
reason is simple.. a suborbital X15 flight uses just the onboard engine of the craft after it is hauled up to atmosphere by a B52

orbital flight requires a booster rocket the size of the Minuteman

Oh! so X-15 can do Orbital and Sub-Orbital, I thought they could only do Sub-Orbital.

Oh! so X-15 can do Orbital and Sub-Orbital, I thought they could only do Sub-Orbital.

the Americans in this RP used the X-15 to gain initial space experience, then added booster rockets to get to orbit after that. But thats why the cost difference is there.

X-15 is smaller and has no payload other then crew, while the X20 can carry a small payload. Thats the other difference

ASA launch, research and construction between 1965 and 1970

ASA 1965 Budget

Contributions[14]:
USEA: 0
China: 0
Burma: 0
Korea: 6
UIR: 0
Japan: 8
The Phillipines: 0

Research:

Orbital Space Plane Research 2/6 -2 points

Construction:

Launches:

1x Tai Kun II mission- 8 points

6x Yin Feng Sub-Orbital Space Plane Missions- Free

Maintenance:
Tian Gen Orbital Space Laborotry: 4 points




ASA 1966 Budget

Contributions[106]:
USEA: 0
China: 0
Burma:
Korea: 6
UIR: 0
Japan: 100
The Phillipines: 0

Research:

Orbital Space Plane Research 6/6 -4 points

Improved Orbital Laborototory Research 2/24 - 2 points

Construction:

1x Communication satellite network (South East Asia)- 12 Points

1x Communication satellite network (Southern China)- 12 Points

1x Communication satellite network (Northern China)- 12 Points

1x Communication satellite network (Northeast Asia and Japan)- 12 Points

1x Communication satellite network (Central China)- 12 Points

Zhen Jing Improved Spy Satellite Network- 6 Points

Jian Jue Hu Ren Early Warning Satellite Network- 6 points

Launches:

2x Tai Kun II mission- 16 points

6x Yin Feng Sub-Orbital Space Plane Missions- Free

Maintenance:
Tian Gen Orbital Space Laborotry: 4 points
2x Type-1 Yin Feng Space Planes: 8 points




ASA 1967 Budget

Contributions[106]:
USEA: 0
China: 0
Burma: 0
Korea: 6
UIR: 0
Japan: 100
The Phillipines: 0

Research:

Improved Orbital Laborototory Research 14/24 - 12 points

Construction:

1x Type-2 Ang Feng Space plane- 15 points

Launches:

2x Yue Shen Moon missions- 30 points

3x Tai Kun II mission- 24 points

1x Yin Feng Orbital space plane mission- 4 points

6x Yin Feng Sub-Orbital Space Plane Missions- Free

Maintenance:
Tian Gen Orbital Space Laborotry: 4 points
2x Type-1 Yin Feng Space Planes: 8 points
Zhen Jing Improved Spy Satellite Network [ZJSN]: 6 points
Jian Jue Hu Ren Early Warning Satellite Network [JEWN]: 3 points



ASA 1968 Budget

Contributions[25]:
USEA: 0
China: 0
Burma: 0
Korea: 6
UIR: 0
Japan: 19
The Phillipines: 0

Research:

Improved Orbital Laborototory Research 14/24 - 0 points

Construction:

Launches:

Maintenance:
Tian Gen Orbital Space Laborotry: 4 points
2x Type-1 Yin Feng Space Planes: 8 points
1x Type-2 Ang Feng Space plane: 5 points
Zhen Jing Improved Spy Satellite Network [ZJSN]: 6 points
Jian Jue Hu Ren Early Warning Satellite Network [JEWN]: 3 points


ASA 1969 Budget

Contributions[51]:
USEA: 0
China: 0
Burma: 0
Korea: 6
UIR: 0
Japan: 45
The Phillipines: 0

Research:

Improved Orbital Laborototory Research 24/24 - 10 points

Construction:

Launches:

2x Tai Kun II mission- 16 points

6x Yin Feng Sub-Orbital Space Plane Missions- Free

Maintenance:
Tian Gen Orbital Space Laborotry: 4 points
2x Type-1 Yin Feng Space Planes: 8 points
1x Type-2 Ang Feng Space plane: 5 points
Zhen Jing Improved Spy Satellite Network [ZJSN]: 6 points
Jian Jue Hu Ren Early Warning Satellite Network [JEWN]: 3 points



ASA 1970 Budget

Contributions[117]:
USEA: 19
China: 0
Burma: 21
Korea: 6
UIR: 0
Japan: 67
The Phillipines: 4

Research:

Space Shuttle Research- 6 points

Construction:

1x Type-2 Ang Feng Space plane- 15 points

Tian Gong Orbital Laborotory (Skylab) 8/25- 8 points

Launches:

3x Tai Kun II mission- 24 points

2x Yue Shen Moon mission- 30 points

2x Ang Feng Orbital Space Plane Missions- 8 points

6x Yin Feng Sub-Orbital Space Plane Missions- Free

Maintenance:
Tian Gen Orbital Space Laborotry: 4 points
2x Type-1 Yin Feng Space Planes: 8 points
1x Type-2 Ang Feng Space plane: 5 points
Zhen Jing Improved Spy Satellite Network [ZJSN]: 6 points
Jian Jue Hu Ren Early Warning Satellite Network [JEWN]: 3 points


As you can see by 1970 we will have full coverage of our comms satellites back up (All 60 points worth). We will also have our early warning and spy satellite networks back up.

Three ASA Moon missions will have taken place and the ASA as an organization will be tech level 8. This is all thanks to Japan who have provided mammoth amounts of funding when it was sorely needed.

However all those Tech level 8 space techs are quite pricey and Japan certainly won't be able to handle it on it's own.

Updated and reorganized.

Next I will get results for all the launches listed, Is LR still around to do those?

Will the Japanese be able to put a man on the moon as one of the first?

EDIT- does the UIR have satellite coverage? it didn't seem that way

Will the Japanese be able to put a man on the moon as one of the first?

EDIT- does the UIR have satellite coverage? it didn't seem that way

Considering the massive amounts of points that Japan has donated I belive it's only fair.

The UIR is covered and is bundled into the The South East Asia and The Phillipines network, any overflow from that is handled by the Central China Network.

Anyway ASA builds slightly edited again to account for Burma in 1970 which gives us another moon mission.

The ASA headquarters is now located in Tokyo Japan.

Considering the massive amounts of points that Japan has donated I belive it's only fair.

The UIR is covered and is bundled into the The South East Asia and The Phillipines network, any overflow from that is handled by the Central China Network.

Anyway ASA builds slightly edited again to account for Burma in 1970 which gives us another moon mission.

The ASA headquarters is now located in Tokyo Japan.

Awesome, mybe a UIR astronaut will get to the moon someday...

Also, see my proposal on the SCT chatzy

Awesome, mybe a UIR astronaut will get to the moon someday...

Also, see my proposal on the SCT chatzy

With four Missions going up, two in 1967 and two in 1970 there may well be a UIR astronaut with them.

Proposal has been commented on and approved.

Updated and reorganized.

Next I will get results for all the launches listed, Is LR still around to do those?

remember, success rolls are needed for those missions. Normally Lesser Ribenia handles it, but he is away, so either I or Safehaven2 need to roll results

Failure is 5% chance for a Lunar mission. If failure results, 2-7 its a non catastrophic but mission ending failure (no trip to moon), 8-10 its a disastrous but non fatal accident (Apollo 13 type) and 11- 12 its a catastrophic failure with crew death, on 11 its a disaster on the pad or during launch (Challenger type 1-3, Apollo 1 type 4-6) and 12 is either crash while landing on moon 1-2 (dead LEM crew, CM returns home), equipment failure on Lunar surface 3-4 (and thats a dead crew) or reentry failure on return to Earth 5-6 (dead crew again)


US got 2 failure results, and rolled a 6 for Apollo 10 and 10 for Apollo 13

historic results were Apollo 1 (3 dead), and Apollo 13 (mission failed, narrow crew escape)

at 15 points a mission, any failure isn't going to make the government happy

remember, success rolls are needed for those missions. Normally Lesser Ribenia handles it, but he is away, so either I or Safehaven2 need to roll results

Failure is 5% chance for a Lunar mission. If failure results, 2-7 its a non catastrophic but mission ending failure (no trip to moon), 8-10 its a disastrous but non fatal accident (Apollo 13 type) and 11- 12 its a catastrophic failure with crew death, on 11 its a disaster on the pad or during launch (Challenger type 1-3, Apollo 1 type 4-6) and 12 is either crash while landing on moon 1-2 (dead LEM crew, CM returns home), equipment failure on Lunar surface 3-4 (and thats a dead crew) or reentry failure on return to Earth 5-6 (dead crew again)


US got 2 failure results, and rolled a 6 for Apollo 10 and 10 for Apollo 13

historic results were Apollo 1 (3 dead), and Apollo 13 (mission failed, narrow crew escape)


Could you do it then pretty please :)

And it's actually a 2% chance of failure since the ASA managed to sucessfully land several moon landers in the early '60s

Needing reults for

1965:
1x Tai Kun II missions
6x Yin Feng Sub-Orbital Space Plane Missions

1966:
2x Tai Kun II missions
6x Yin Feng Sub-Orbital Space Plane Missions

1967:
2x Yue Shen Moon missions
3x Tai Kun II missions
1x Yin Feng Orbital space plane mission
6x Yin Feng Sub-Orbital Space Plane Missions

1969:
2x Tai Kun II missions
6x Yin Feng Sub-Orbital Space Plane Missions

1970:
3x Tai Kun II missions
2x Yue Shen Moon missions
2x Ang Feng Orbital Space Plane Missions
6x Yin Feng Sub-Orbital Space Plane Missions

1965:
1x Tai Kun II missions (success)
6x Yin Feng Sub-Orbital Space Plane Missions (6 successful)

1966:
2x Tai Kun II missions (both successful)
6x Yin Feng Sub-Orbital Space Plane Missions (all successful)

1967:
2x Yue Shen Moon missions (1st failed due to system failure, mission aborted)(2nd failed to explosion of oxygen tank, Apollo 13 type results)
3x Tai Kun II missions (success)
1x Yin Feng Orbital space plane mission (burned up on reentry, pilot killed)
6x Yin Feng Sub-Orbital Space Plane Missions (successes)

not a good year for the SCT Space Agency, the head of it probably got sacked. It does explain I suppose why no missions occured in 1968, unless they weren't posted for some reason (I didn't see any)

1969:
2x Tai Kun II missions (both successful)
6x Yin Feng Sub-Orbital Space Plane Missions (all successful)

1970:
3x Tai Kun II missions (all successful)
2x Yue Shen Moon missions (both successful)
2x Ang Feng Orbital Space Plane Missions (successes)
6x Yin Feng Sub-Orbital Space Plane Missions (all successes)

used same die roll mods as US dealt with, and it had a couple of dozen landers on the Moon first. Unmanned probes improved odds from 15% chance of failure to 5%. Odds of failure of space plane mission was 1%.

by the way Parthini, any ESA missions need to be listed by year so that results can be determined.

Gb: Tg

For 1970:

Upon hearing of the Moon missions, the Korean people hold a muted celebration, with a day off. While the gloom leftover from the Twilight Years is there, the success of Asia's moon missions does prove to be a slight morale booster.

I thought you had to be tech level 8 to start researching Shuttle and Skylab projects...

Anyways, Here's at least 1965.

2 lunar landing missions - 30 points
12 points from French goes to 2 landers to check out the landing sites (10 points)

Parthini']I thought you had to be tech level 8 to start researching Shuttle and Skylab projects...

Anyways, Here's at least 1965.

2 lunar landing missions - 30 points
12 points from French goes to 2 landers to check out the landing sites (10 points)

ooc
you do

also when you post all of the missions I will determine results

ooc
you do

also when you post all of the missions I will determine results

Bah, LR's gone and I think he only did 65 and 66....

Congrats to the rest of the SCT, sorry we were worthless those years.

OOC - Is Central America involved in the USF? Seeing as though I was contributing before through Mexico? Maybe I could be a partner member?
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Members of the ESA and the UIR government are contacted to ask for permission for France to establish a new space Launch Facility, the location of which would be in the vicinity of Afghanistan.

The many advantages are presented for such a venture as it would allow a greater timeframe for future space programs aswell as provide a boost to local economy, even may prrovide a chance to allow members of the Middle East to participate in this venture. France is willing to fully finance its construction if allowed.

Members of the ESA and the UIR government are contacted to ask for permission for France to establish a new space Launch Facility, the location of which would be in the vicinity of Afghanistan.

The many advantages are presented for such a venture as it would allow a greater timeframe for future space programs aswell as provide a boost to local economy, even may prrovide a chance to allow members of the Middle East to participate in this venture. France is willing to fully finance its construction if allowed.

The UIR would be overjoyed to allow this, as it currently would like to see on eof their astronauts on the moon

The UIR would be overjoyed to allow this, as it currently would like to see on eof their astronauts on the moon

OOC:
One of the moon missions in 1970 has an Iranian ex-fighter pilot on it.

IC:

After the two dismal failures at attempting to reach the moon in 1967, which ended without the missions even leaving the earth, the ASA redoubled its efforts, modifications were made to the rockets, the crews trained harder and extra funding was obtained. In the summer of 1970, June 25th, The peace and calm surrounding the port of Hat Yai on the Thai gulf was shattered as a Taepodong XV Heavy lift rocket shot skyward. Strapped to a tiny, module perched ontop of the mighty Korean rocket where three astronauts of the ASA, Lieutenant Kanya Lawan of the UIMC, Captain Achmed Ali Azar of the UIRA and Captain Hiroyoshi Nishizawa of the IJNAF.
Three days later on the 27th of June the Yue Shen 6 capsule reached the moon, after flying over their landing site several times (Previously mapped out by the Yue Chang Moon lander probes) the Lunar Module disengaged from the command module with Nishizawa and Ali Azar, leaving the command module pilot Lawan in orbit.

Nishizawa was the first to step onto the moon's surface, followed shortly by Ali Azar. They both set up the ASA flag surrunded by the flags of all the member nations in a circle. After collecting some samples, taking pictures and performing several experiments, the pair, remounted their lander module and blasted back up to rendevous with Lawan in the command module.
All three landed safely in the Sea of Japan on the 30th of June and where picked up by destroyers of the IJN.

On September 3rd a second mission crewed by Captain Ru Bao of the ROCAF, Lieutenant Yi Jin-Ho Jung of the IKAF and Lieutenant Juan Phong of the AFPAF, was also completed sucessully with Jin-Ho Jung and Ru Bao making the landing while Phong piloted the command module.

Meanwhile in Kyushu, southern Japan an odd looking white plane with delta wings and a high tail fin, taxied down the runway of the newly constructed Orbital Space Plane Recovery Strip [OSPRS] outside Miyazaki.
When it's wheels left the runway to the roar of turbofans, it's black geometrically patterned underbelly could be seen by the obervers below. In the background a huge Nova transport plane with ASA markings and strange attachments on it's back was being maintenaced after its flight from Hat Yai.
The strange plane circled around a few times performing various manuevers and tests of the airframe, before shutting off it's engines and gliding back down onto the runway with the help of a parachute.
From the side hatch two men wearing ASA uniforms were helped out by a ground crewman while others clustered around the plane performing checks.

The Iranian astronaut is welcomed home a hero, and an astronaut school is set up to train future astronauts

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kick in 5 points to NORAD and your in

GB, is the FNS still with the North Americans in terms of the Space Force?

GB, is the FNS still with the North Americans in terms of the Space Force?

OOC:
*Darth Vader Voice*

No, join the ASA in it's quest for space superiority and together we can rule the earth with fleets of 1337 orbiters. :p

No seriously if you wanted we would let you in. (and change the name)

I was wondering about the European attempt to reach the moon, are they the same as the Apollo missions or are they seperate?

GB, is the FNS still with the North Americans in terms of the Space Force?

if you funded it, then NORAD is willing to continue cooperation

I was wondering about the European attempt to reach the moon, are they the same as the Apollo missions or are they seperate?

seperate. The Apollo missions were North Americans only

kick in 5 points to NORAD and your in
Is that five points per year?

ESA missions 1965-69

1965
2 lunar lander probes to land
2 lunar space missions

1966

2 lunar lander probes to landing sites
2 lunar space missions

1967

1 lunar mission

1968

1 lunar mission

1969

1 lunar mission
research space shuttles

1970

2 MOL refits
6 X20 flights to MOLs (3 to each)
1 lunar mission

also now paying maintenence for 4 X20 planes.

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All the above are British funded with 12 points of French contribution so Britain would like the majority of the pilots and certainly the first man on the moon, though the other 2 crew members would be French and German. The entire ESA would be represented on the moon by 1970 through the British funded program (including places such as BeNeBur and Albania etc)

I am fairly low (read in the red) on points for 1970 due to the MOL refits, space shuttle building and X20 flights, alongside my continuing need to upgrade the Royal Navy. So a contribution from other ESA nations is needed if we are to get the MOLs up and running before they plummet to Earth and get the first space shuttle built. I figure I need a minimum of 24 points in total though further contributions would be better (48 is about ideal) so that I do not have to divert funds from the regular British budget, Britain has been taking the brunt of the ESA budget for a while now and whilst it means British astronauts will be amongst the best in the world, my production centres are not yet EMP protected and more of them will be springing up next year from growth to be protected.

I haven't put my 1970 budget yet so I will see what I can do

Is that five points per year?

yes, 5 points annually

LR, don't worry about refitting the MOL's since in 1970 I'll be able (and very willing) to take up my old job of the Space Planes and MOL's. I am able to refit 2 of the 4 of them and do 8 X-20 missions.That doesn't include Czech and Hungarian, and even Polish assistance.

Also, sometime you, me, and Abbassia, and probably Safehaven2 and GB need to talk about the state of the EEC 1965-1969.

I will send you both a TG concerning it.

Also, I need a favor from you in 1965, but I'll include that.

I was thinking, there needs to be rules for merging MOLs and Skylabs.

A suggestion could be that:

If two MOLs or a MOL and a Skylab are merged then the crew requirement for the whole would be six.
It can only be resupplied by three man+ space craft. Refit costs would be for all modules so if it were two MOLS merged together then it would cost 40 points every three years to refit the whole. If it was a Skylab and a MOL it would cost 45 points to refit, but instead every five years.

If two Skylabs are merged then the crew requirement is for the whole is five.
It can only be resupplied by three man+ space craft. Refit costs would be 50 points every six years.

You can also launch new Skylab or MOL modules that will be attached to your space station, these cost the same as they would normally, e.g. Skylab 25 points and MOL 20 points.

Each new module attached adds two more crew to the Space Station and also adds its refit costs to the whole. For every three crewmen added there needs to be an extra resupply mission each year.

For instance a hypothetical ASA space station could consist of one MOL and two Skylab modules. It would have a crew of eight and its refit costs would be 70 points every five years. It would need to be resupplied by three man+ space craft at least four times a year.



There should also be new modules such as science and cmmunications modules. Maybe even refueling Modules for shuttles and space planes.
At tech level 8.5 we could even have a construction module that can with the help of robotic arms put togther pre fabricated sections that have been launched into space by a space shuttle.

I'm assuming no, but has a South African been to the moon yet?

I'm assuming no, but has a South African been to the moon yet?

The ASA is sending missions regularly from 1970 onwards.
If you were to join or at least offer some funds, a South African would most certainly be put on a moon mission.

South African astronauts would be welcome to take part in the ESA program if the SA government would contribute to the cost of the flight. We'll have a nice 7 man space shuttle ready for 1971 and there's also regular moon flights scheduled for every year.

South African astronauts would be welcome to take part in the ESA program if the SA government would contribute to the cost of the flight. We'll have a nice 7 man space shuttle ready for 1971 and there's also regular moon flights scheduled for every year.

Don't listen to his lies!!! :P

Besides, the ASA has two seven man space shuttles in 1971.

Don't listen to his lies!!! :P

Besides, the ASA has two seven man space shuttles in 1971.

I'll have my own space shuttles in a few years. Maybe I'll just concentrate on being the first to put a man on Mars. Muahaha!

tech level 8
Mir Space station (essentially a permanent station) which will be cheaper to maintain. Will cost less to build as well

48 points of research required

combining 3 MOLs will provide the needed space as well

Tech level 8.5
International Space Station (essentially an improved Mir) which will be cheaper still to maintain but cost more to build.

SpaceshipOne type small orbiters (to be determined)

Tech level 9
Single Stage to orbit shuttles
interplanetary spacecraft capable of Mars, Jupiter and Venus missions (essentially the Discovery from 2001 a Space Odyssey)
late Tech level 9.. Alderson Drive

Alderson Drive is a fictional but very plausable intersteller drive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alderson_drive

also at tech level 9 will be technology to build L5 stations and Solar Power Satellites

tech level 8
Mir Space station (essentially a permanent station) which will be cheaper to maintain. Will cost less to build as well

48 points of research required

combining 3 MOLs will provide the needed space as well

Tech level 8.5
International Space Station (essentially an improved Mir) which will be cheaper still to maintain but cost more to build.

SpaceshipOne type small orbiters (to be determined)

Tech level 9
Single Stage to orbit shuttles
interplanetary spacecraft capable of Mars, Jupiter and Venus missions (essentially the Discovery from 2001 a Space Odyssey)
late Tech level 9.. Alderson Drive

Alderson Drive is a fictional but very plausable intersteller drive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alderson_drive

so will we RP finding new planets to colonize with the interstellar drive?

Britain/ESA is sending 2 lunar missions up in 1970 and constructing two space shuttles.

late Tech level 9.. Alderson Drive

Sweet. Once I colonize Frystaat, I can stop trying to take over the world and begin trying to take over the universe!

is it possible to transfer tech to somebody? To just say "I give you heavy lift rockets" or something like that?

is it possible to transfer tech to somebody? To just say "I give you heavy lift rockets" or something like that?

Yea, it's done a lot

So, what's Central America's position regarding a satellite network? I was covered under the old US one when I was contributing to the old Alliance Space Force.

So, what's Central America's position regarding a satellite network? I was covered under the old US one when I was contributing to the old Alliance Space Force.

so will we RP finding new planets to colonize with the interstellar drive?

assuming the world isn't destroyed in the meantime

tech level 8
Mir Space station (essentially a permanent station) which will be cheaper to maintain. Will cost less to build as well

48 points of research required

combining 3 MOLs will provide the needed space as well

Tech level 8.5
International Space Station (essentially an improved Mir) which will be cheaper still to maintain but cost more to build.

SpaceshipOne type small orbiters (to be determined)

Tech level 9
Single Stage to orbit shuttles
interplanetary spacecraft capable of Mars, Jupiter and Venus missions (essentially the Discovery from 2001 a Space Odyssey)
late Tech level 9.. Alderson Drive

Alderson Drive is a fictional but very plausable intersteller drive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alderson_drive

also at tech level 9 will be technology to build L5 stations and Solar Power Satellites

couple of additions

I have a few ideas for different interstellar drives (allows exploration of solar systems with no "Alderson Points").

Ideas include:

1. Quantum Drive (uses quantum teleportation as a basis, and uses it in multiple "jumps")

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_teleportation

2. Artifical Wormholes

3. Alternate "dimensions" like subspace, foldspace, etc.

4. Star Trek warp drives

5. Stargates (based off Stargate SG-1 series)

Goodness gracious!

I don't think NationStates will even still be around by the time we get to that...

I have a few ideas for different interstellar drives (allows exploration of solar systems with no "Alderson Points").

Ideas include:

1. Quantum Drive (uses quantum teleportation as a basis, and uses it in multiple "jumps")

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_teleportation

2. Artifical Wormholes

3. Alternate "dimensions" like subspace, foldspace, etc.

4. Star Trek warp drives

5. Stargates (based off Stargate SG-1 series)


Nah I would just have the Alderson points. It makes the space combat easier to keep track of (Beacuse it would either be around these points, in the orbit of planets or somewhere in a direct line between), It means that by using cryo ships you can build sanctuary colonies where no one can get to and these is less al round FT wankery to get round.

No! Alderson Drives and CoDo are the only way to explore space...and then we can have the Great Patriotic Wars, and the Spartan Hegemony, and the First Empire of Man, and Jarnsfield's Jaegers, and the Sauron Supermen, and the Secession Wars, and the Second Empire of Man, and expeditions to the Mote in God's Eye, and war with aliens!

Oh...apologies, it seems I've gotten ahead of myself.

No! Alderson Drives and CoDo are the only way to explore space...and then we can have the Great Patriotic Wars, and the Spartan Hegemony, and the First Empire of Man, and Jarnsfield's Jaegers, and the Sauron Supermen, and the Secession Wars, and the Second Empire of Man, and expeditions to the Mote in God's Eye, and war with aliens!

Oh...apologies, it seems I've gotten ahead of myself.

Then we shall explore the known worlds and slowly but surly the robots shall make us their slaves and then we have to fight a Jihad to purge the Milky Way of Thinking Machines...then we find a planet full with a drug which the entire Imperium gets hook on and the I shall rule the Dune Imperium..muhahahahaha...

Then we shall explore the known worlds and slowly but surly the robots shall make us their slaves and then we have to fight a Jihad to purge the Milky Way of Thinking Machines...then we find a planet full with a drug which the entire Imperium gets hooks and the I shall rule the Dune Imperium..muhahahahaha...

Yeah, but we get to nuke the crap out of the Machines, and then in like fifteen thousand years I'll pwn you with no-ships and Honoured Matres.

Yeah, but we get to nuke the crap out of the Machines, and then in like fifteen thousand years I'll pwn you with no-ships and Honoured Matres.
but fifteen thousand years is a long time...so...I am good

What's the difference between Mir and Skylab (in terms of the game mechanics)?

ESA Schedule/Budget 1970:

70 points from UK
14 points from France
46 points from Yugoslavia
49 points from Albania-Kosovo
49 points from ECOWAS (PENDING AGREEMENT)
43 points from Kuwait (PENDING AGREEMENT)
5 points from BeNeBur
25 points from Cyprus
18 points from Czechosolvakia
Germans to make MOLs serviceable

Total: 317

Constructing 3 space shuttles, first flights next year (60/60)

6 Lunar Missions (90/90)

12 points to research digital comms satellite network (12/12)

12 points to research digital satellite network (12/12)

12 points to research deep radar satellites (12/12)

12 points to research GPS satellites (12/12)

48 points to research Mir (48/48)

maintenence on 4 X20s (20/20)

Reservice 4 MOLs and provide crewed missions to them (largely German expenditure)

Expenditure: 266

52 points provided to Germans to assist in MOL program.

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The foreign (out of Europe) involvement is not yet agreed to and may fall through, but these nations have nothing else to spend cash on and may as well send someone to the moon. If Abbassia and/or Parthini have any objections then I can redirect the points to something else (no idea what though) though the points come in handy for keeping the ESA at the fore of the space race.

Yeah, but we get to nuke the crap out of the Machines, and then in like fifteen thousand years I'll pwn you with no-ships and Honoured Matres.
Meh, I'll pwn you all with an army of advanced face-dancers, led by gholas of Teg, Halleck, and Idaho.

Meh, I'll pwn you all with an army of advanced face-dancers, led by gholas of Teg, Halleck, and Idaho.

Who will then die at the hands of my Fish Speaker armies.

No lesbians are gunna beat my army. Besides, Fish-Speakers dissapeared after God: Emperor of Dune basically.
If you want to continue this discussion, go here:
http://dune2k.com/forum/
:p

Incidentally was there ever an agreement to respect space scientifically and not to claim land there in this RP?

No! Alderson Drives and CoDo are the only way to explore space...and then we can have the Great Patriotic Wars, and the Spartan Hegemony, and the First Empire of Man, and Jarnsfield's Jaegers, and the Sauron Supermen, and the Secession Wars, and the Second Empire of Man, and expeditions to the Mote in God's Eye, and war with aliens!

Oh...apologies, it seems I've gotten ahead of myself.

ooc
chuckle

no alternative FTL... Alderson Drive is the only way as the laws of physics are consistant

At late tech level 9 a form of anti gravity drive will be available as well.. details will come when it becomes available

Incidentally was there ever an agreement to respect space scientifically and not to claim land there in this RP?

actually I don't remember if the UN space treaty was signed or not

German Part of the Space Budget:

4 MOL Refittings

20 X-20 Resupply and Remanning Missions.

Germany agrees to foreign investment in the ESA and agrees to let Jerusalem assist. It gives Germany 5 points, along with Czechoslovakia's 17 points and Hungary's 6 points, as well as 33 points from the ESA, allows Germany to refit and man all 4 MOLs. King Hussein's son becomes the first Jerusalemite to live in an MOL.

ASA 1970 Budget

Contributions[160]:
USEA: 19
China: 24
Burma: 21
Korea: 25
UIR: 0
Japan: 67
The Phillipines: 4

Research:

Space Shuttle Research- 6 points

Digital Spy satellites Research- 12 points

Construction:

1x Type-2 Ang Feng Space plane- 15 points

Tian Gong Orbital Laborotory (Skylab)- 25 points

Launches:

3x Tai Kun II mission- 24 points

2x Yue Shen Moon mission- 30 points

5x Ang Feng Orbital Space Plane Missions- 20 points

6x Yin Feng Sub-Orbital Space Plane Missions- Free

Maintenance:
Tian Gen Orbital Space Laborotry: 4 points
2x Type-1 Yin Feng Space Planes: 8 points
1x Type-2 Ang Feng Space plane: 5 points
Zhen Jing Improved Spy Satellite Network [ZJSN]: 6 points
Jian Jue Hu Ren Early Warning Satellite Network [JEWN]: 3 points



Start of the Lang Fen Type-3 Orbiter Program,
The first two units will finish construction in 1970.
Program Schedule:

Initial Research:
1970: RSV-1.0 Three Gorges (Jet propelled aerodynamic test bed)

Phase One:
1971: RSV-1.1 Huang He
1971: RSV-1.2 Ayeyarwady
1972: RSV-1.3 Mekong
1972: RSV-1.4 Mogami
1973: RSV-1.5 Karun
1973: RSV-1.6 Taedong
1974: RSV-1.7 Pulangi

Phase Two
1975: RSV-2.0 Dien Bien Phu (Special payload and aerodynamic test bed [Converted from earlier unamed RSV prototype])
1976: RSV-2.1 Chomolungma
1977: RSV-2.2 Fuji
1978: RSV-2.3 Sobaek


Requested ASA funding levels from 1971 to 1982 have been outlined in Chatzy but can be TG'd upon request along with full schedules of launches, construction and research.

Australasian-South African Collaborative Space Program

CSP Integrated Satellite Network:

Digital Communications Satellites: Active
Improved Spy Satellites: Active
Deep Radar Satellites: Active

GPS Research: 12/12 points
Digital Communications Research: 12/12 points
Digital Spay Sat Research: 12/12 points
Deep Radar Sat Research: 12/12 points

GPS Installation: 0/100 points (0% complete)
Digital Communications Installation: 6/6 points (100% complete)
Digital Spy Sat Installation: 40/80 points (need 4 satellites fo planetary coverage; 50% complete)
Deep Radar Sat Installation: 4/4 points (100% complete)

Space Shuttle Research: 24/72 points (33.3% complete)
Number of Active Shuttles: n/a

(Accurate as of 1971)

The UIP plans to up it's funding to the ASA to 5 points in 1971.

Nigeria announces that it will be launching it's first manned mission into space in 1971 from Port Harcourt.

What will be the maintenance cost of the Mir style space station?

Just planning out next year's ESA budget.

Also did someone decide who got to the moon first?

What will be the maintenance cost of the Mir style space station?

Just planning out next year's ESA budget.

Also did someone decide who got to the moon first?

I am still not clear on exactly the timeline and funding of all ESA activity

you will have to research Mir to get it

apparently Marvin the Martian so far

48 points research was paid in 1970, but I was unsure of how long the research was to be paid over so it will still be continuing if it is greater than one year (which I suspect is the case).

I'll grab you a difinitive list of every ESA mission since 1965 for you.

ESA Missions (1965-70)

1965
2 lunar lander probes to landing sites
2 lunar space missions (both with 1 British, 1 French and 1 German crew)

1966
2 lunar lander probes to landing sites
2 lunar space missions (1st 1 Dutch, 1 Belgian, 1 Burgundian Crew, 2nd 1 British, 1 Albanian, 1 Yugoslavian crew)

1967
1 lunar mission (1 British, 1 Dutch, 1 Albanian crew)

1968
1 lunar mission (1 French, 1 Belgian, 1 German crew)

1969
1 lunar mission (2 British, 1 Burgundian crew)
12 points research into space shuttles

1970
Constructing 3 space shuttles, first flights next year (60/60)
12 points to research digital comms satellite network (12/12)
12 points to research digital satellite network (12/12)
12 points to research deep radar satellites (12/12)
12 points to research GPS satellites (12/12)
48 points to research Mir (48/48) - unspecified time
maintenence on 4 X20s (20/20)
Plus ESA and German subsided handling of refit and crewing of 4 MOLs

6 Lunar Missions(90/90)
crews:

1 Britain (Newfoundland), Czechoslovakian, Albania

2 France, Cyprus, Belgium

3 Germany, Kuwait, Guinea

4 Netherlands, Burkina, Togo

5 Ghana, Sierra Leone, Liberia

6 Gambia, Senegal, Mali

Thus sending at least one man to the moon from every contributing country.

I think that's everything since 1965.