ooc: is my military a god mod? Serious question.
Space Egypt
26-05-2006, 14:27
OK,
My military is based on Egypt but with a twist.
My military specializes in close combat.
First the slave army's mass in a lines of 500 to 700 men. about 5 lines deep.
The use a kind of energy shield that is impervious to bullets and energy beams, but not explosions. They carry a beam spear that launches a plasma beam.
The march into enemy fire basically creating a phalanx.
Behind them are Anubites, genetically altered humans that truly believe they are the Anubites of Anubis's army.
When they get close the Anubites leap over the slave army's right into the lines of the enemy and begin to shred them apart.
Is this a god mod I'm not quite sure.
Haneastic
26-05-2006, 14:33
what kind of tech are you using?
Mauvasia
26-05-2006, 14:36
[OOC: If this is future tech, then I guess it's fine; it would not work in modern tech or similar, however.]
Space Egypt
26-05-2006, 14:36
what kind of tech are you using?
Future tech
Haneastic
26-05-2006, 14:39
It seems fine, you'll probably get slaughtered by enemies that use lots of explosions
Space Egypt
26-05-2006, 14:43
It seems fine, you'll probably get slaughtered by enemies that use lots of explosions
yes, but they aren't the first to attack, The first are Scarab tanks and artillery bombardments... I mean its a blitzkrieg.
First the get hit from the air using aircraft, then heavy tanks storm in then the Phalanx's approach.
Haneastic
26-05-2006, 14:56
yes, but they aren't the first to attack, The first are Scarab tanks and artillery bombardments... I mean its a blitzkrieg.
First the get hit from the air using aircraft, then heavy tanks storm in then the Phalanx's approach.
ah, you didn't say that, so I assumed it was all close combat
Space Egypt
26-05-2006, 14:59
ah, you didn't say that, so I assumed it was all close combat
but it primarily Close combat,
The Aeson
26-05-2006, 15:10
OK,
My military is based on Egypt but with a twist.
My military specializes in close combat.
First the slave army's mass in a lines of 500 to 700 men. about 5 lines deep.
The use a kind of energy shield that is impervious to bullets and energy beams, but not explosions. They carry a beam spear that launches a plasma beam.
I'm assuming something vaguely like what the Gungans used in Phantom Menace? Fine, but you know, probably won't be able to stand up to a star destroyer beam weapon, or equivilant. But yeah, looks fine. Though I'm not FT, so...
The march into enemy fire basically creating a phalanx.
Behind them are Anubites, genetically altered humans that truly believe they are the Anubites of Anubis's army.
When they get close the Anubites leap over the slave army's right into the lines of the enemy and begin to shred them apart.
Is this a god mod I'm not quite sure.
Xenonier
26-05-2006, 15:16
The use a kind of energy shield that is impervious to bullets and energy beams, but not explosions. They carry a beam spear that launches a plasma beam.
Yes, I'd call that a godmod. Given your nation size, if a nation much larger uses their more powerful energy weapons, it should damn well go through. If the energy shield was resilient vs other weaons. Futhermorei t's rather vague, you'll need to work out how it handles weapons other than just plain energy, eg temporal/dimensional/etc etc.
After all, saying it can stop one of Balrogga's cutter beams would get you a laugh I'm sure.
Communistic Govts
26-05-2006, 15:26
Now the one thing you are missing on how to defend against is orbital bombardment.
Nova Boozia
26-05-2006, 15:31
And you may want an effective counter to the really big stuff, like my own Wening Weises Haschen (http://http://members.shaw.ca/seebaran/My%20warlord_files/image001.jpg)
Yes, I'd call that a godmod. Given your nation size, if a nation much larger uses their more powerful energy weapons, it should damn well go through. If the energy shield was resilient vs other weaons. Futhermorei t's rather vague, you'll need to work out how it handles weapons other than just plain energy, eg temporal/dimensional/etc etc.
After all, saying it can stop one of Balrogga's cutter beams would get you a laugh I'm sure.
Sure if you want to bother swatting a fly with a hammer...he at least put in weaknesses...not many people do who activly god mod.
so I vote NO it is not Godmodding if it is FT. If it is anything else then you are cheating...or rather unsportsman like of you. The Hunters would let the foxes some running room before the let loose the dogs...
Size of an army and nation can go hang. It is concentration that matters more. The french saved the American Revolution at Yorktown with their Fleet. SO WHAT if BRITIAN RULED THE SEAS? They couldn't be everywhere at once. The local/temporary superiority was decisive. Or for those Germans out there look at the brilliant campagns of Prussia!!! She conquered her numerous enemies with inferior forces. Well equiped and disciplined...ok their is more to it. The 100 Spartans last stand against the Persians?
SO WHAT if your people DIE? They Died defending your homeland from barbarians!
Animarnia
26-05-2006, 15:53
FACT - Any insolator or shield can be breached given a big enough charge; granted it can be incredably resilient but to say "Impervious" is a god mod; basically any orbital bombardment weapon rated in the high TW's-EW's is going to "pwn" your army
I suggest kamikazee fighters/missiles that ought to freak out some of the people attacking....
Japan had fewer resources...yet its Zeros at the begining of WWII ate up the Americans...the Americans quickly redesigned and the made new better planes in greater numbers thanks to the countries resources. BUT Japan kicked Us out of Phillipines!!!! The Brits, Dutch, and French our of SE Asia. Sure the Allies won in the end. BUT we LOST in the Beginning...to a crappy little power!
Gejigrad
26-05-2006, 15:59
[ To make it fair, why not simply have an overhead shield?
You could force a ground war on someone, but it would be fair to the defenders. ]
FACT - Any insolator or shield can be breached given a big enough charge; granted it can be incredably resilient but to say "Impervious" is a god mod; basically any orbital bombardment weapon rated in the high TW's-EW's is going to "pwn" your army
Yeah...might want to narrow down what you mean by impervious...to local blaster rounds...but a capital ship cannon fire is likely to rip up whatever light shielding you infantry has...although this assumes that shields work as a force equivalent ratio of damage to energy out put and stability.
Check out this:
http://www.stardestroyer.net
it has some interesting discussions about tech.
A planetary shield? you know someone is going to complain. Can't satify all the people all the time.
It is a good idea...Forces people to fight a ground war...Vietnam! Yeah poor colonists! DEATH TO OPRESSION! Viva La Revolution Verdad!
Gejigrad
26-05-2006, 16:11
[ I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not.
Help me out? ]
Space Egypt
26-05-2006, 16:14
well i shouldn't have said impervious... but i mean it can hold up against a very substanceal onslaught of weaponry before the battery had to recharge... but i mean not an orbital bonbardment sucks and no infantry can survive a direct blast but what im saying is...
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0 = Scarab battle tanks
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*Note each dash doesn't represent one unit, but it gives you a basic idea
Well, i wouldn't see it as a god mod i think it would actually be a real interesting battle if you were fighting me. My military specializes in ground forces but i also use a kick ass space fleet to keep an orbital bombardment of my soldiers i suggest you do the same...
[ I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not.
Help me out? ]
:p The limitation of Forums! I was concuring. Although this insecurity does lead me to believe <pyshchobable ranting> <your mothers><etc>:D
Hmm...a Phallanx is your general formation? Your shields are complete personal shields that wrap around or are a bubble? or are the screens? Powerful frontal attack...followed by infantry to mop up?
BUT you are vulnerable to explosives? An Artillery barrage timed right to arrive together will mess them up...but if you Fight High Tech FT nations...most will forgo explosives in favor of "lazers" and SW "lazers" or rather Plasma guns/blaster.
Plasma can be explosive so does your shields protect against them?
so you are depending on your supersoldier to serve as securty battalains and stiffen the resolve of your conscript levies? they fight not out of loyalty to you or to the kingdom but out of fear and general malaise
sigh
ANOTHER BOTTLE DEMON LOVER?!?!
The Gate Builders
26-05-2006, 16:48
I suggest kamikazee fighters/missiles that ought to freak out some of the people attacking....
Japan had fewer resources...yet its Zeros at the begining of WWII ate up the Americans...the Americans quickly redesigned and the made new better planes in greater numbers thanks to the countries resources. BUT Japan kicked Us out of Phillipines!!!! The Brits, Dutch, and French our of SE Asia. Sure the Allies won in the end. BUT we LOST in the Beginning...to a crappy little power!
Japan was a modern powerhouse at the start of the war.
Space Egypt
26-05-2006, 17:02
so you are depending on your supersoldier to serve as securty battalains and stiffen the resolve of your conscript levies? they fight not out of loyalty to you or to the kingdom but out of fear and general malaise
sigh
ANOTHER BOTTLE DEMON LOVER?!?!
All of the soldiers of Space Egypt fight with faith that thier "god" will reward them for fighting the enemy. but yes the Anubites do serve as a kind of leader. Just thier presence if felt by the slaves.
Dontgonearthere
26-05-2006, 17:11
I would suggest individual shields to your front line protect from horizontal attacks and a large overhead shield. The individual shields can be strong enough to absorb small arms fire (bullets, blaster/laser/maser/whatever fire), while the overhead shield can absort attacks from fighters and capitol ships above.
Otherwise, the huge overall shield can simply be destroyed by combined arms fire from the ground and above.
Commonalitarianism
26-05-2006, 18:38
There is something called a slow shield sometimes used in future tech. It is easier to penetrate the shield with slow moving objects, the faster the moving object, the stronger the resistance of the shield. This forces people to use hand to hand fighting or slow moving objects chain saws, grenades, heat knifes in fighting.
Japan was a modern powerhouse at the start of the war.
I believe the point is still valid. Japan was indeed a souped up powerhouse of a state. Yet in comparison to it's enemies in terms of absolute resources and material wealth in the early twentieth centry...it was a second rate power. The country was near it's apogee when it attacked the sleeping giant bear that was the US of A. The bear was POKED right in the Bumm for a GOOD LONG while before the bear bite off Japan's arms and Then got around on knawwing on it's heart.
Nagasaki was one of the most open cities of Japan. It was the free port for centuries for the Dutch Merchants and later Perry came and "opened" Japan there. and later in edo. Hiroshima was a cultural jewel second only to edo and the ancient capital of Kyoto. The irony of the situation is that these two cities probably had the highest number of Western Sympathizers in Japan! They certainly had a significant Christain/converted minority. Ironical aint it:rolleyes:
Gejigrad
26-05-2006, 18:50
[ It is rather ironical, actually. ]
All of the soldiers of Space Egypt fight with faith that thier "god" will reward them for fighting the enemy. but yes the Anubites do serve as a kind of leader. Just thier presence if felt by the slaves.
There is small comfort in choosing between Dieing for your God and Dieng for your God.
Answer me this...If they have nothing to lose in obeying or diobeying,
WHICH would you choose?
Obedieance and Death OR Blasphameuos DisObediance and Death?
We of the Isles...Well Itchia and Me Li and closest Allies would choose the Latter.
CAN you honestly say that YOU...the REAL YOU would put up with that crap?
[ It is rather ironical, actually. ]
:p <ya motha>:fluffle: :D
So your troopers are essentially your variation on the SG1 Universe's Goulds? Annubis? Why not pick a more obscure god...one that got kicked out of a pantheon...say Coyote of the Plains Tribes...or an Azteka blood thirsty one that likes live sacrifices? hmmm... human Hearts makes a good boom in da tummy!!!:D
The Gate Builders
26-05-2006, 19:07
You know that if there was somebody behind you heavily armed telling you what to do you'd do it.
You better believe I would...:p but ONLY while the fool was behind me! He looks the other way...me and my boys are going to GO SPARTUCUS on his slavemaster ass! Yeah so what if they all died in the end! So long as the idiots keep slaves...human chattel...the SHEEP will rise up and Slay the Damn Wolves.
:p That you will note is a literary illusion to several schools of philosophy as well as countless famous sayings...here is one for you to google search.
Sheep Wolves Liberty....Sheep Wolves Franklin...Etc... Tell me what you think before your next response...You KNOW you WOULD BE one of our Brothers that would be Crucified in a Gloriously HOPELESS SLAVE REVOLT! WE will DIE...But we get to chose HOW WE LIVE!!!
VIVA LA REVOLUTION VERDAD! DEATH TO OPPRESSION!! BLACK SHEEP UNITE! GIVE us Liberte or give us Death! Slaves of the world <name> UNITE; You have nothing to lose but your chains! You are already Dead; CHOOSE LIFE!
<continues shouting slogans until he loses his voice>
The Gate Builders
26-05-2006, 19:21
Could you ease up on the ridiculously large coloured text?
You better believe I would...:p but ONLY while the fool was behind me! He looks the other way...me and my boys are going to GO SPARTUCUS on his slavemaster ass! Yeah so what if they all died in the end! So long as the idiots keep slaves...human chattel...the SHEEP will rise up and Slay the Damn Wolves.
Harmlessly passing your time in the grassland away,
Only dimly aware of a certain unease in the air,
You better watch out,
There may be dogs about
I've looked over Jorden and I have seen,
Things not what they seem,
What do you get ofr pretending the dangers not real?
Meek and Obiedient you follow the leader,
Down well trodden corridors into the valley of steel,
What a surprise!
A look of terminal shock in your eyes,
Now things are really what they seem,
No, this is no bad dream,
THE LORD IS MY SHEPERD I SHALL NOT WANT
HE MAKES ME DOWN TO LIE
THROUGH PASTURES GREEN HE LEADETH ME THE SILENT WATERS BY
WITH BRIGHT KNIVES HE RELEASETH MY SOUL
HE MAKETH ME TO HANG ON HOOKS IN HIGH PLACES
HE CONVERTETH ME TO LAMB CUTLETS
FOR LO HE HATH GREAT POWER AND GREAT HUNGER
WHEN COMETH THE DAY WE LOWLY ONES
THROUGH QUIET REFLECTION AND GREAT DEDICATION
MASTER THE ART OF KARATE
LO, WE SHALL RISE UP
AND THEN WELL MAKE THE BUGGERS EYES WATER
Bleating and babbling I fell on his neck with a scream,
Wave upon wave of demented avengers,
March cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream,
Have you heard the news?
The dogs are dead!
You better stay home,
And do as you're told,
Get out of the road if you want to grow old!
sorry, had to be done, BTW it's Sheep by Pink Floyd, umm, to stay on topic I'ma say that I like the slave meat shield.
hmm sorry about the letters...kinda got carried away!
If you want to be a godling best be a good one!
The prophets of Pink Flyod are sacred Cannon from the 20th century.
The Phoenix Milita
26-05-2006, 20:12
http://www.sof2.jolt.co.uk/images/m67frag_gren.jpg
Hand Grenade
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Mortar (http://www.maapr.com/images/IRAQm252.jpg)
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all your men in body bags (http://www.jaysnet.com/666-2004-spain-311.jpg)
http://www.sof2.jolt.co.uk/images/m67frag_gren.jpg
Hand Grenade
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Mortar (http://www.maapr.com/images/IRAQm252.jpg)
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Yup!:D at least he gives the little guys a chance to cream him...but the FTs ETs will have a hard time of it because of their "Superior Technology."
If astupid idea works stupid, then it aint stupid, stupid!:p
Yup! at least he gives the little guys a chance to cream him...but the FTs ETs will have a hard time of it because of their "Superior Technology."
If astupid idea works stupid, then it aint stupid, stupid!
"Whoever wrote idiotproof failed to comprehend the inginuity of and idiot"
Douglas Adams?
The Phoenix Milita
26-05-2006, 20:21
Most FT nations have a grenade of some kind.
Star trek has photon hand grenades, grenade launchers and mortars
http://memory-alpha.org/en/images/4/44/Photon_grenades_mortar_2267.jpg
The Aeson
26-05-2006, 20:23
Most FT nations have a grenade of some kind.
But how many of those are energy grenades?
The Phoenix Milita
26-05-2006, 20:24
none, an explosive is a type of energy if you want to get picky, matter/anti-matter warheads would still be an explosive
Most FT nations have a grenade of some kind.
"Whoever wrote idiotproof failed to comprehend the inginuity of and idiot"
Douglas Adams?
YUP...they do...BUT those grenades tend to be more of the energy based charges...like the Sticky Grenades on Halo! Most FTers ARE big wankers and forget things like logistics and oh...God...and Fair Play. How many of them have old fashion frag gernades!?! They will undoubtably find a way to mess up a perfectly simple device!
If it aint Broke...do you Really need to fix it?
Many NSers think the answer is yes...to those people it would not occur to them to use a bow and arrow or say bamboo on trails...or say child warriors...
Why is it that the evil think that they have a monopoly on ruthlessness?:confused: Hey that is a good topic! <runs off>
The Phoenix Milita
26-05-2006, 20:31
HALO has old style frag grendades also...
YUP good 'ole HUMAN Space Grunts! Aint broke aint it? Still makes a nice BOOM! Why bother tinkering with it?
It is not the sword that is deadly...It is the SWORDSMAN!
It is not the sword that is deadly...It is the SWORDSMAN!
"The Pen is mightier than the Sword, and considerably easier to write with"
Marty Feldman
dammit stop giving me excuses to use quotations.
"The Pen is mightier than the Sword, and considerably easier to write with"
Marty Feldman
Hmm yes but will a PEN KNIFE cut through Eygpts shields?
Tangent! There was a "light-saber" precursor in the Foundation. It was a Light Pen, small and usefully sharp made of Light...then their was the Knives that the Second Foundation used to Take over a world with Trade.
Minershia
26-05-2006, 21:57
yes, but they aren't the first to attack, The first are Scarab tanks and artillery bombardments... I mean its a blitzkrieg.
First the get hit from the air using aircraft, then heavy tanks storm in then the Phalanx's approach.
So its....
S=slave A=Anubis R=Artillery T=tank
ssaa ttrr
ssaa ttrr
ssaa ttrr
ssaa ttrr
ssaa ttrr
ssaa ttrr
ssaa ttrr
ssaa ttrr
Beware being flanked, but it's an OK strategy, except if the enemy has planes or other unreachable air-to-ground attack fighters/bombers.
If it's completely oblivious to lasers and bullets, then yes, it is a godmod, since there's no explanation why. However, anything else is a no, so you're okay.
Mini Miehm
26-05-2006, 22:19
"Whoever wrote idiotproof failed to comprehend the inginuity of and idiot"
Douglas Adams?
YUP...they do...BUT those grenades tend to be more of the energy based charges...like the Sticky Grenades on Halo! Most FTers ARE big wankers and forget things like logistics and oh...God...and Fair Play. How many of them have old fashion frag gernades!?! They will undoubtably find a way to mess up a perfectly simple device!
If it aint Broke...do you Really need to fix it?
Many NSers think the answer is yes...to those people it would not occur to them to use a bow and arrow or say bamboo on trails...or say child warriors...
Why is it that the evil think that they have a monopoly on ruthlessness?:confused: Hey that is a good topic! <runs off>
It weren't broke, but it certainly got an upgrade to a 30m kill radius, and a warm and fuzzy antimatter powered boom. And yaknow, I like using them in large quantities. *Battalion Volley Fire* "Oh no, there goes Tokyo!"
*realizes you people probably aren't cool enough to get what I'm talking about with that quote.*
*realizes you people probably aren't cool enough to get what I'm talking about with that quote.*
I resent that. You overstep your authority Mini Miehm.
Pyschotika
26-05-2006, 22:46
I think it works.
Even if you ever got in a war with an MT/PMT nation, they could riddle your slave lines with bombers and tanks etc.
The Ctan
26-05-2006, 23:05
Well, seriously, it's a military setup that lacks flexibility and isn't liable to be too effective. On the other hand, it seems like it would be a collossal army. Putting that number of humans on another planet and keeping them provisioned would be... painful. But for all that, it's definately a characterful army. I wouldn't try using it in 'competative' RP, or people will find ways to defeat it fairly effectively, but on the other hand, it is a fantastically dramatic creation.
It requires extensive anti-aircraft stuff, and reasonable contention of space by some kind of space navy to be 'realistic' anyway. It'd be interesting to see the kind of culture that created that. Other than that, I suggest carrying on, it's a nice idea.
Even if it will produce lots of casualities in any engagement. ;)
It weren't broke, but it certainly got an upgrade to a 30m kill radius, and a warm and fuzzy antimatter powered boom. And yaknow, I like using them in large quantities. *Battalion Volley Fire* "Oh no, there goes Tokyo!"
*realizes you people probably aren't cool enough to get what I'm talking about with that quote.*
DUDE lay off the crack..he was just saying that the basic principles of killing something isn't that far removed from application. A .22 can kill you good as dead as anything else. If you improve on a wapon so be it. But WHY is the AK so popular? It is simplicity...its Form fits its intended Function. It is beautiful, and deadly. It is also primitive compared to many of the other designs...YET the varients of the AK utilize "improvements"
They improve the design but they don't fuck it up. These "improvements make sense." Most of the FT tech...is Wankery...self glorified I've bots a bigger...than youz. SO I WIN automatically.
We don't accept that BULL...err that specious arguement. It is based on assumption that we don't share. We choose to change the "terrain" ******phorical><BUT I doubt you would understand it> of the battles. We let you come to our place of choice, and then we will gut your "advanced" forces.
What makes you think a carpet bombing run would work? Did Operation Rolling Thunder work in Vietnam? <another allusion> Do you remember a thing called the Tet offensive or perhaps the bloody revolts of Algeria? The smaller guys won both. You cluster bomb can go where-ever you think it belongs! Everyone knows where it really belongs.
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Now then perhaps we should start over?
That is One of the Other Gods...He is not ours. Try looking up Mara or Maya instead of the WarHammer version of Mla. The lingual similarityies are pronounced no?
*
Here is to the The Little Guy!
Eygpt we will support your wars against all the big guys that try to oppress the Little Guy!
Tannelorn
26-05-2006, 23:19
they werent a crappy little power, they simply lacked the rubber and iron necessary to continue building their ships and planes. To be honest the kamikaze attacks were wasteful and it wasnt until Admiral yamamoto was killed that they were allowed. And its rather coincidental that is pretty much the turning point of the war, from japan and america struggling to win, to america winning. That and the miracle of midway...yes 6 planes getting lost putting 6 bombs on 6 carriers is indeed a miracle. Try a Strategy game about the battle of midway and you will understand just how much of a miracle it is.
In an older game i have i am 1/99 win as american fleet. And mini miehm, seriously..AK is still the most reliable assault rifle ever made. And MT/PMT wont just blow you away with bombers. Little hint. A basic infantry squad of my FT nation would be able to take down B-52's with little effort. They could too..as they have the same crazy technologies. Anyways the army is interesting, i would adapt the elites to be alot more modern in their fighting style. However there is an RPer in our group who uses a similar army set up, and it could be quite deadly.
Mini Miehm
27-05-2006, 00:24
DUDE lay off the crack..he was just saying that the basic principles of killing something isn't that far removed from application. A .22 can kill you good as dead as anything else. If you improve on a wapon so be it. But WHY is the AK so popular? It is simplicity...its Form fits its intended Function. It is beautiful, and deadly. It is also primitive compared to many of the other designs...YET the varients of the AK utilize "improvements"
They improve the design but they don't fuck it up. These "improvements make sense." Most of the FT tech...is Wankery...self glorified I've bots a bigger...than youz. SO I WIN automatically.
We don't accept that BULL...err that specious arguement. It is based on assumption that we don't share. We choose to change the "terrain" ******phorical><BUT I doubt you would understand it> of the battles. We let you come to our place of choice, and then we will gut your "advanced" forces.
What makes you think a carpet bombing run would work? Did Operation Rolling Thunder work in Vietnam? <another allusion> Do you remember a thing called the Tet offensive or perhaps the bloody revolts of Algeria? The smaller guys won both. You cluster bomb can go where-ever you think it belongs! Everyone knows where it really belongs.
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Now then perhaps we should start over?
That is One of the Other Gods...He is not ours. Try looking up Mara or Maya instead of the WarHammer version of Mla. The lingual similarityies are pronounced no?
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Here is to the The Little Guy!
Eygpt we will support your wars against all the big guys that try to oppress the Little Guy!
Except, you'd still be beaten, because unless you ascribe to the technology theory of victory, at your size, you simply CAN NOT field enough ships to fight larger nations effectively. Nor can you field enough troops to beat the various FT $sensors and $detectors. "Oh look, there's several dozen guys waiting for us THERE." *volley fires aforementioned grenades towards THERE*
The fact that I've earned the right to say this by viciously beating just about anyone that ticks me off is something that's rather difficult to miss. For example, NB annoyed me, and I decided that his Battlecruiser should have a conversation with the guns of 7th Fleet.
I don't believe I ever mentioned the AK(which I am NOT a big fan of by the way). I mentioned that frag grenades were still in use, and that mine were simply a more effective design on an old concept, upgraded for FT purposes.
Ooh... You can kill B52s. La di da Tann. So can an ACS trooper. He can also kill tanks, and fighters, and take direct hits from KT range nukes. Need I go on? We're talking about FT here. Who cares what an MT weapon can do when there's a much better FT version?
Commonalitarianism
27-05-2006, 01:14
Another variation on the slow shield is the energy damper shield. Basically lasers, explosives, and other energy weapons don't work. It is back to muscley power, rams, future tech hand to hand. The Forever War by Haldeman had a situation like this. High tech simply didn't work in the fields. Super soldiers, clone spew, duking it out hand to hand. Stuff like that. Rats, Bats, and Vats by Dave Freer also had a slow shield. You couldn't use advanced weapons in it either. But, if you have special armor or materials for your hand to hand weapons it could get interesting. Diamond edged blades, titanium armor, super soldiers, etc.
The Phoenix Milita
27-05-2006, 01:16
And in Stargate, Apophis' shield could stop energy beams and bullets but a knife thrown at low velocity passed right through it.
The Aeson
27-05-2006, 01:20
And in Stargate, Apophis' shield could stop energy beams and bullets but a knife thrown at low velocity passed right through it.
Yeah, but that one bounty hunter, whose name I've forgotten had a forcefield that that didn't work for.
Steelwall
27-05-2006, 01:38
Another variation on the slow shield is the energy damper shield. Basically lasers, explosives, and other energy weapons don't work. It is back to muscley power, rams, future tech hand to hand. The Forever War by Haldeman had a situation like this. High tech simply didn't work in the fields. Super soldiers, clone spew, duking it out hand to hand. Stuff like that. Rats, Bats, and Vats by Dave Freer also had a slow shield. You couldn't use advanced weapons in it either. But, if you have special armor or materials for your hand to hand weapons it could get interesting. Diamond edged blades, titanium armor, super soldiers, etc.
That might work wonderfully for the kind of army you're trying to field Space Egypt, although anybody you RP against would be taking a hard disadvantage in a ground war. I wouldn't mind having a go myself.
It would be interesting to see what kind of naval combat we'd see if turbolasers and particle beams were taken out of the equation, too.
And in Stargate, Apophis' shield could stop energy beams and bullets but a knife thrown at low velocity passed right through it.
I have a similar idea for my tech. Sagit has shields that are supposedly inpenetrable, but they were designed to work against energy weapons. They are partially effective against fast-moving bullets, but don't do squat against knives, spears, or arrows.