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After the war, Heinrich Himmler and some of the SS and other German leaders fled and found a new land. They settled it, making it 100 percent German, German was the offical language. The SS became reformed after Himmler's death. Erwin Rommel had also fled to the land, helping form a military.

The current leader, Konstantin Messerschmidt (may change) looked from his office in New Berlin. He raised a family as well as ruling a nation. He called his secretary and told her to write up a notice that his nation would open diplomacy.

''To all nations,
For years, our people, descendants of the Third Reich ruled this land peacefully, different from the Hitlerites (followers of Hitler). We ask that if you can forgive us for the events and things we did in WWII, that you could open diplomacy with our nation. We hope that you will consider opening diplomacy with us.''

Konstantin hoped diplomacy could be achieved, he wanted his nation out there, not inside.

We too, are a nation formed of fleeing das Heer and SS officers. It is good to hear from old friends again. However, we have dropped our irrational racist beliefs, have you?

so its the Fourth Reich?

To: The state of the New Third Reich
We have a few questions before we might consider opening formal relations with you.
1. Do you still practice genocide of those who do not fit an ideal?
2. Do you still practice the persecution of religious, civil or political opponents?
3. What, if any of the Second World War beliefs, doctrines or policies do you still practice?

We too, are a nation formed of fleeing das Heer and SS officers. It is good to hear from old friends again. However, we have dropped our irrational racist beliefs, have you?

Mainly so. After Himmler's death, the SS reformed into a nationalist group but dropped its anti-semitism, etc.

Mainly so. After Himmler's death, the SS reformed into a nationalist group but dropped its anti-semitism, etc.

This is good. We should remain in close ties.

To: The state of the New Third Reich
We have a few questions before we might consider opening formal relations with you.
1. Do you still practice genocide of those who do not fit an ideal?
2. Do you still practice the persecution of religious, civil or political opponents?
3. What, if any of the Second World War beliefs, doctrines or policies do you still practice?

1. No
2. No
3. We believe in nationalism, the upholding of German heritage, the title of Fuhrer (perhaps, still thinking), the SS, Gestapo and SA (ALL REFORMED!) and some others.

I am still planning my nation out.

so its the Fourth Reich?

My nation is a New Third Reich, Fourth Reich could be used.

This is good. We should remain in close ties.

That is acceptable to us.

We keep the SS, SA and Gestapo but they HAVE BEEN REFORMED.

In what way is the SS and SA reformed? You seem keen to keep them, yet the whole purpose of the paramilitary forces was to do the dirty work of the party.

Waffen-SS is kept too and also has been reformed.

We keep the SS, SA and Gestapo but they HAVE BEEN REFORMED.
I think you shoudl change those names, they have bad memories attached to them

We will assosiate with you as so long as you have truly dropped the hateful messages Hitler preached, and do not practice his messages.

Please specify on the Gestapo and SS and SA, and the new ways.

In what way is the SS and SA reformed? You seem keen to keep them, yet the whole purpose of the paramilitary forces was to do the dirty work of the party.

After Himmler's death, the reforming went underway. The SS and SA would lose the anti-semitism and go under restructuring. The government is German Nationalist or Patriotic, etc not Nazi.

I think you shoudl change those names, they have bad memories attached to them


Yes, since SA was annihilated before the war, and SS means black shirts (something not sounding exactly peaceful). Change your military's name to Bundeswher which is the name of the current German military...if you want to of course. Just friendly advice! :)

We would thus be interested in a embassy exchange, thought we must say that we shall be keeping an eye upon you.

So what is the role of these new divisions? After all, As a staunch supporter of Democratic roots, I have come to hate the old mission of the Third Reich.

We will assosiate with you as so long as you have truly dropped the hateful messages Hitler preached, and do not practice his messages.

Please specify on the Gestapo and SS and SA, and the new ways.

We do not practice Hitler's ways at all, Aqua Anu. They have been truly dropped, for example, the SS dropped its anti-semitism after Heinrich Himmler's death.

The Gestapo is still a police group but not as it was in Hitlerite Germany (Hitlerite used to describe Hitler, etc). The SS and SA have been changed and restructured, dropping anti-semitism and other things. Instead of Aryanism, it is German Nationalism, I suppose.

So what is the role of these new divisions? After all, As a staunch supporter of Democratic roots, I have come to hate the old mission of the Third Reich.

The role of them, I suppose, is to go on and drop Hitler and his system.

Yes, since SA was annihilated before the war, and SS means black shirts (something not sounding exactly peaceful). Change your military's name to Bundeswher which is the name of the current German military...if you want to of course. Just friendly advice! :)

We are using the name, Reichswehr but may change it. Thanks for the advice. The SS and SA may have a name change, however the SS would keep its uniforms perhaps.

We would thus be interested in a embassy exchange, thought we must say that we shall be keeping an eye upon you.

We agree to an embassy exchange and respect your decision to keep watch.

Very well.

From this day forth Aqua Anu will have affiliations with your nation

Very well.

From this day forth Aqua Anu will have affiliations with your nation

We thank you for doing this and we respect your concerns.

We are using the name, Reichswehr but may change it. Thanks for the advice. The SS and SA may have a name change, however the SS would keep its uniforms perhaps.


OOC: I'd keep the uniforms. They were awsome! Nicest military uniforms ever created.

OOC: I'd keep the uniforms. They were awsome! Nicest military uniforms ever created.

I would probably keep them for the SS or Schutzstaffel.

We agree to an embassy exchange and respect your decision to keep watch.


We would also like to exchange embassies, but would like to keep watch in a different sense. More in the, Alliance sense.

We would also like to exchange embassies, but would like to keep watch in a different sense. More in the, Alliance sense.

Embassy exchanging and an alliance sound great!

I think you shoudl change those names, they have bad memories attached to them

OOC: Well, so does the Luftwaffe, and a lot more, but what're you going to do? Beth Gellert calls itself Soviet, because the word means something, regardless of what may be associated with it in another circumstance.
Alas, I am too drunk for diplomacy, or the Geletians would say... something. I dunno, it could be, 'next round's on us' or, 'die, fascist swine!' I'm not sure, hence my decision against an IC post. But welcome, anyway. [Shuts up]

You say that the role is the same, but they have dropped the Hitler Attitude. Please explain how this is possible since the SA were nothing but political Bullies who took care of anything that went against the grain. The SS was origionally created to Moniter the camp system. Until the Totenkopf and Waffen SS divisions came round, they controlled camps. Is it safe for me to assume that this role of camp management has beenn dropped?

New Berlin is the capital and German is the offical language.

You say that the role is the same, but they have dropped the Hitler Attitude. Please explain how this is possible since the SA were nothing but political Bullies who took care of anything that went against the grain. The SS was origionally created to Moniter the camp system. Until the Totenkopf and Waffen SS divisions came round, they controlled camps. Is it safe for me to assume that this role of camp management has beenn dropped?

The camp system is being discussed (I am thinking on it). Also, the SA is the guard of the leader, while the SS guards the party, I suppose, this may not make sense.

In that case, the United States Of Nikocujo is not ready to fully accept the New Third Reich. We will moniter and make our desicion accordingly. We want to Note that all communication has not been cut off, but further examination is required.

You say that the role is the same, but they have dropped the Hitler Attitude. Please explain how this is possible since the SA were nothing but political Bullies who took care of anything that went against the grain. The SS was origionally created to Moniter the camp system. Until the Totenkopf and Waffen SS divisions came round, they controlled camps. Is it safe for me to assume that this role of camp management has beenn dropped?
ooc: Actually the original SA(from WW1) where the equivilent of commandos, who worked as parts of small units, frequently armed with flamethrowers to devestating effect(garnering miles of battle line when it was frequent for the lines to only move a few feet.

In that case, the United States Of Nikocujo is not ready to fully accept the New Third Reich. We will moniter and make our desicion accordingly. We want to Note that all communication has not been cut off, but further examination is required.

We respect and accept your decision.

The camp system is being discussed (I am thinking on it). Also, the SA is the guard of the leader, while the SS guards the party, I suppose, this may not make sense.

OOC: I mean this in a friendly way, and as a friend, that it doesn't make much sense. I'd rechange the doctrine of the SS and SA (though the SA they were all executed) to reflect a more non-hiterlite in any way, doctrine. Meaning, camp guard---gone. Becomes Military Special Forces/Secret Service/Intelligence Agency. Just an Idea for the best way to clarify things.

The Volkssturm and others are also kept.

OOC: I mean this in a friendly way, and as a friend, that it doesn't make much sense. I'd rechange the doctrine of the SS and SA (though the SA they were all executed) to reflect a more non-hiterlite in any way, doctrine. Meaning, camp guard---gone. Becomes Military Special Forces/Secret Service/Intelligence Agency. Just an Idea for the best way to clarify things.

I am still planning out my nation. Also, the SS and SA's doctrine were already changed after Himmler's death. I am still planning the New SS/SA out.

The Hitler Youth became the German Youth or Deutsch Jugend.

I am still planning out my nation. Also, the SS and SA's doctrine were already changed after Himmler's death. I am still planning the New SS/SA out.


Works for me! Good luck with that!

Works for me! Good luck with that!

Thanks! I hope I can plan it all out well.

OOC: I just checked your country. You literally are new to nationstates? or is this your 2nd 3rd Country?

OOC: I just checked your country. You literally are new to nationstates? or is this your 2nd 3rd Country?

I used to play NS some time ago and I came back on. I need help as I can't remember how to do things.

I used to play NS some time ago and I came back on. I need help as I can't remember how to do things.
ooc: I'd be willing to provide whatever ooc aid you might need.

I used to play NS some time ago and I came back on. I need help as I can't remember how to do things.


Welcome back! *adds to buddy list*

ooc: I'd be willing to provide whatever ooc aid you might need.

Thanks!

Welcome back! *adds to buddy list*

Thanks to you too!

I am open to diplomacy, if people are interested.

Also, my nation's leader does not rule like Hitler.

ooc: I am waiting for trotsky and the other exiled communists to make one now...

Interesting...another country has arrisen from the ashes of Germany. But you say you hold no racism or nazi politics? That is well and good... don't be fooled by the name of our nation- it is only stating the status of its army. Still we will keep in touch.

Most interesting. The human remains of the glorious Reich teem and multiply and abandon our old ideals. How foolish. We are Millenium; I am the Major; of the SS. We are kin; we each breathed and lived violence and death. How many of the Deathshead were the very avatars of wanton slaughter and mayhem...These were days of glory! Of limitless war!

We are Millenium; in accordance with the Fuhrer's executive order 666; we exist to form the endless Reich! The eternal, undying Reich that shall foster endless, beautiful War! We would have words with you.

Most interesting. The human remains of the glorious Reich teem and multiply and abandon our old ideals. How foolish. We are Millenium; I am the Major; of the SS. We are kin; we each breathed and lived violence and death. How many of the Deathshead were the very avatars of wanton slaughter and mayhem...These were days of glory! Of limitless war!

We are Millenium; in accordance with the Fuhrer's executive order 666; we exist to form the endless Reich! The eternal, undying Reich that shall foster endless, beautiful War! We would have words with you.


Yes, we have abandoned those previous ideals, and are more interested now in repairing our tainted image. You should as well.

In any even, we are interested in starting an Alliance between Nations with Germanic backgrounds. If there is an interest in this, do let me know.

---Emperor Baker, Red Empire of Wanderjar *Signed*

We will open the lines of diplomacy

Karou Kamiah-MOF

Yes, since SA was annihilated before the war, and SS means black shirts (something not sounding exactly peaceful). Change your military's name to Bundeswher which is the name of the current German military...if you want to of course. Just friendly advice! :)

Black shirts? Doesn't SS mean armed protection squad?

Black shirts? Doesn't SS mean armed protection squad?


It means that, but it literally translates to black shirts, based on their uniform. SA means Brown Shirts, based on their uniform. It could be said that they are synonmous in meaning, but not in literal translation. :)

OOC: Well, literal meaning is far more important than a synonmous meaning. Black shirts were, as I remember, the nickname for Mussolini's troops.

IC:

We do not change for you. Only the Fuhrer can issue such an order, and as acting Fuhrer I am dedicated to Herr Fuhrer's acting demand, Order 666. We might ally with you, but we change our ways for no one.

The Major

SS means Schutzstaffel.

Quiet Literally, it stands for Protection Squadron. The SS was first designed to replace the SA to be Hitler's personal 'Secret Service' ( Ironically enough, Secret Service would also be the SS...lol ).

They got too literal with their SS-rankings by thinking that the killing of Jews was a way to protect the German Culture and Race, thus it remained 'Protection Squadron'.

SS are called 'Black Shirts' because of their Uniforms, and SA are called 'Brown Shirts' because of their Uniforms. SA stands for Sturmabteilung, which is also known as Storm Troopers but literally is 'Storm Department'.

Black Shirts would literally be Schawrz Hemden and Brown Shirts Braun Hemden.

Also, Black Shirts isn't much of a bad term...my College Football team uses it for our Defense...the Nebraska Cornhuskers.

And another note, ever hear of the Night of the Long Knives? That was Hitler's systematic killings of everyone in his SA he started up with-in the German Parliament...which was the sole reason for his rise in power in the twenties. He did this because he feared their more seperate view on politics would interfere with his own. See, the SA were more SOCIALIST then NATIONALIST. Most took into the Socialist aspect of 'National Socialism'. Hitler did not want a strong Socialist element in his country, so for starters...he killed the SA.

So yea...anything else I should cover? >>

After the war, Heinrich Himmler and some of the SS and other German leaders fled and found a new land. They settled it, making it 100 percent German, German was the offical language. The SS became reformed after Himmler's death. Erwin Rommel had also fled to the land, helping form a military.

The current leader, Konstantin Messerschmidt (may change) looked from his office in New Berlin. He raised a family as well as ruling a nation. He called his secretary and told her to write up a notice that his nation would open diplomacy.

''To all nations,
For years, our people, descendants of the Third Reich ruled this land peacefully, different from the Hitlerites (followers of Hitler). We ask that if you can forgive us for the events and things we did in WWII, that you could open diplomacy with our nation. We hope that you will consider opening diplomacy with us.''

Konstantin hoped diplomacy could be achieved, he wanted his nation out there, not inside.

Do not be sorry. Be proud. Hitler may have gone to far, I'll admit, but he brought us all under one goal. Hail Hitler!!!

It means that, but it literally translates to black shirts, based on their uniform. SA means Brown Shirts, based on their uniform. It could be said that they are synonmous in meaning, but not in literal translation. :)

[The literal translation of Schutzstaffel isn't black shirts :S]

SS means Schutzstaffel.

Quiet Literally, it stands for Protection Squadron. The SS was first designed to replace the SA to be Hitler's personal 'Secret Service' ( Ironically enough, Secret Service would also be the SS...lol ).

They got too literal with their SS-rankings by thinking that the killing of Jews was a way to protect the German Culture and Race, thus it remained 'Protection Squadron'.

SS are called 'Black Shirts' because of their Uniforms, and SA are called 'Brown Shirts' because of their Uniforms. SA stands for Sturmabteilung, which is also known as Storm Troopers but literally is 'Storm Department'.

Black Shirts would literally be Schawrz Hemden and Brown Shirts Braun Hemden.

Also, Black Shirts isn't much of a bad term...my College Football team uses it for our Defense...the Nebraska Cornhuskers.

And another note, ever hear of the Night of the Long Knives? That was Hitler's systematic killings of everyone in his SA he started up with-in the German Parliament...which was the sole reason for his rise in power in the twenties. He did this because he feared their more seperate view on politics would interfere with his own. See, the SA were more SOCIALIST then NATIONALIST. Most took into the Socialist aspect of 'National Socialism'. Hitler did not want a strong Socialist element in his country, so for starters...he killed the SA.

So yea...anything else I should cover? >>


I guess i was wrong then. My mistake, sorry!

[Something like 'protection squad'.]