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Post OOC comments here.

Heh... I was just about to post on :p.

Rosdivan: Given the fact that ALL coastal areas(excluding ports and the Western Wastelands, which is another matter) are fortified like this, it IS a effective defense, not to mention that there are tons of more divisions being held in reserve. And yes, I do have a Navy... it just sits in port most of the time.

I'll have to disabuse you of the notion that fixed fortifications are a good idea. Is your Navy going to come out to play or do I get to perform a Pearl Harbor on it?

Heh... I was just about to post on :p.
/shrug/ I learned to be fast from years (well, months, but they were long ones!) of RPing. :p

I'll have to disabuse you of the notion that fixed fortifications are a good idea. Is your Navy going to come out to play or do I get to perform a Pearl Harbor on it?

You get to TRY to perform a pearl harbor.

You get to TRY to perform a pearl harbor.

Any stats on what's in port (as well as defenses of the typical port and how many ships are in a typical port) so I know what I'm attacking?

The only thing I'm going to be doping is using an Ion Cannon where I please in his Nation, if he allowes. His defences are so damn annoying to go around, and he keeps coming and won't allow any possible attacks.

Last time, I tried nearly everthing, and we stalemated. I'll do a stalemate again, but with more force numbers. However, I request Czarda's take control of all my fleet assets not in bold, I'll do my custom ones. Since Red Tide2 continues to refuse Nuclear Assets, I cannot make invasion easy anymore.

I would do biological, but then he'd find a way to shoot that down too. Plus, he probably woulnd't alloow my Microwave Defenses.

Sorry Red Tide2, but your just a b*tch to rp with :P :D

OOC: There are 17 different major naval bases in the SouthWest, and 1 in the NorthWest.

Out of these, 6(including the one in the NorthWest) are SDN Battlegroups with Super-Dreadnoughts as their flagships. The rest are Carrier Battlegroups with Supercarriers as their flagships.

Each Carrier Battlegroup consists of:

1 TSUNAMIS Class SuperCarrier
4 BLUEBIRD Class Guided Missile Cruisers
12 TIDAL WAVE Class Guided Missile Destroyers
24 MOCKINGBIRD Class Frigates
12 TC-2C ASW Helicopters
70 H/K-1 Surface Attack Aircraft
30 H/K-2 Interceptor Aircraft
Assorted supply ships

Each SDN Battlegroup consists of:

1 RAVEN Class Superdreadnought
4 BLUEBIRD Class Guided Missile Cruisers
12 TIDAL WAVE Class Guided Missile Destroyers
24 MOCKINGBIRD Class Frigates
12 TC-2C ASW Helicopters
Assorted supply ships.

There are auxilary naval bases where extra supply and transport ships as well as submarines are. Most of these are, once again, in the SouthWest.

In addition to the ship defenses are 5,000 batteries of MDM-4 and MDM-6 SAMs(each battery consists of ten launchers, a command post, and a RADAR/LADAR antennae), uncountable WHIRLWIND Anti-Aircraft/Anti-Missile emplacements.

Each naval base entrance has a torepedo and ASW net and also has underwater SONAR emplacements.

In addition to the ship defenses are 5,000 batteries of MDM-4 and MDM-6 SAMs(each battery consists of ten launchers, a command post, and a RADAR/LADAR antennae), uncountable WHIRLWIND Anti-Aircraft/Anti-Missile emplacements.

You gonna let me have an advantage over these implacements with my Ion Cannon? I promise not to godmod *coughunlimitedammocough*..excuse me.

The only thing I'm going to be doping is using an Ion Cannon where I please in his Nation, if he allowes. His defences are so damn annoying to go around, and he keeps coming and won't allow any possible attacks.
ones. Since Red Tide2 continues to refuse Nuclear Assets, I cannot make invasion easy anymore.

None taken, I have ways of dealing with that Ion Cannon anyways.

However, I request Czarda's take control of all my fleet assets not in bold, I'll do my custom ones.
Sounds fine by me. I get some extra ships, soldiers, and planes. That means I'll be RPing them? Or they'll just be placed under my admirals' command, but you'll still be RPing them? Or what?

Sounds fine by me. I get some extra ships, soldiers, and planes. That means I'll be RPing them? Or they'll just be placed under my admirals' command, but you'll still be RPing them? Or what?

I'll do a pre-emtive Ion Cannon Strike against his costal defense and SAM batteries, my Spy Sats have them recorded from last time and identified their locations ICly.

You'll basically be controlling them yes, and I'll mainly RP the ones you can't when you ask me too. I just got fed up with doing the....invasion routine as everything went KAPUT last time.

So yea, you'll take over and I'll control the Super Weapons, and may pitch in when I need to. Your better at tactics than me anyways when it comes to basic invasions. :P

You'll basically be controlling them yes, and I'll mainly RP the ones you can't when you ask me too. I just got fed up with doing the....invasion routine as everything went KAPUT last time.

So yea, you'll take over and I'll control the Super Weapons, and may pitch in when I need to. Your better at tactics than me anyways when it comes to basic invasions. :P
Umm... thanks? Ok, yeah, I'll think things up... this puts a significant boost to my numbers, so I can carry out some devilish plans... XD

Now I just need to work out some numbers. I'll probably be heading home fairly soon (I've been at the library for 5 hours now... dear mod...), and besides finishing the list of the top 50 largest defence budgets in NS and my homework, I'll get my attacks up tonight, or tomorrow.

Uhh... Anagonia, I HIGHLY doubt you want to attack the Strategic Command Bunker, the effects would be quite adverse to yours and all of the other coalition nations. Instead, you just destroyed my Conventional Command Bunker.

Aequatian Order of Battle - As of May 18, 2006

(SSBN-241) RNS Espandor, Espandor-class SSBN

Pendleton Command Group, 1st Fleet
(BBCN-68) RNS Marcus Pendleton, Aequatio-class BBCN
(CGN-178) RNS Griffon, Griffon-class CGN
(DDGN-367) RNS Esmeralda Hindman, Erschoff-class DDGN
(DDGN-495) RNS Russel, Judge-class DDGN
(FFGN-281) RNS Pinney, Mason-class FFGN
(FFGN-282) RNS Owens, Mason-class FFGN
(SSN-154) RNS Bonita, Ocean II-class SSN
(SSN-190) RNS Conquest, Avenger-class SSN
(SSN-191) RNS Dash, Avenger-class SSN
(AOE-3) RNS Kemble, Marriman-class AOE
(AOE-4) RNS O'Neil, Marriman-class AOE
(AOF-1) RNS Levett, Levett-class AOF
(AS-1) RNS Hopper, Hopper-class AS

Europa Carrier Group, 1st Fleet
(CVN-53) RNS Europa, Europa-class CVN
(CVN-62) RNS Athena, Olympiad-class CVN
(CGN-180) RNS Shikra, Griffon-class CGN
(DDGN-368) RNS Amice Albright, Erschoff-class DDGN
(DDGN-493) RNS Black, Judge-class DDGN
(FFGN-279) RNS Mason, Mason-class FFGN
(SSN-152) RNS Barracuda, Ocean II-class SSN
(SSN-186) RNS Bold, Avenger-class SSN
(SSN-187) RNS Bulwark, Avenger-class SSN
(AOE-7) RNS Cardwell, Marriman-class AOE
(AOE-8) RNS Hurst, Marriman-class AOE

Phemius Carrier Group, 1st Fleet
(CVN-109) RNS Phemius, Odyssey-class CVN
(CVN-110) RNS Telemachus, Odyssey-class CVN
(CGN-179) RNS Condor, Griffon-class CGN
(DDGN-369) RNS Lemoine Berkheimer, Erschoff-class DDGN
(DDGN-494) RNS Roby, Judge-class DDGN
(FFGN-280) RNS Sanner, Mason-class FFGN
(SSN-153) RNS Bass, Ocean II-class SSN
(SSN-188) RNS Conflict, Avenger-class SSN
(SSN-189) RNS Constant, Avenger-class SSN
(AOE-5) RNS Elder, Marriman-class AOE
(AOE-6) RNS Barr, Marriman-class AOE

Artemis Carrier Battle Group, 2nd Fleet
(CVN-63) RNS Artemis, Olympiad-class CVN
(CVN-64) RNS Demeter, Olympiad-class CVN
(BCN-80) RNS Revenge, Ramillies-class BCN
(CGN-181) RNS Harrier, Griffon-class CGN
(DDGN-370) RNS Kortney Young, Erschoff-class DDGN
(DDGN-496) RNS Scott, Judge-class DDGN
(FFGN-284) RNS Shaw, Mason-class FFGN
(SSN-155) RNS Cachalot, Ocean II-class SSN
(SSN-192) RNS Detector, Avenger-class SSN
(SSN-193) RNS Direct, Avenger-class SSN
(AOE-46) RNS Sanders, Sanders-class AOE
(AOE-47) RNS Stone, Sanders-class AOE

1st Amphibious Command Group, 8th Fleet
(LCC-2) RNS Admiral, Admiral-class LCC
(CGN-203) RNS Raven, Griffon-class CGN
(DDGN-487) RNS Newbiggin, Judge-class DDGN
(DDGN-488) RNS Toyley, Judge-class DDGN
(FFGN-314) RNS Jones, Mason-class FFGN
(AOE-76) RNS Chase, Sanders-class AOE
(AOF-8) RNS Parkinson, Levett-class AOF
(AS-12) RNS Prescott, Hopper-class AS

Submarine Task Force 11, 8th Fleet
(SSN-235) RNS Sturdy, Avenger-class SSN
(SSN-236) RNS Swerve, Avenger-class SSN
(SSN-237) RNS Valour, Avenger-class SSN
(SSN-238) RNS Venture, Avenger-class SSN
(SSN-239) RNS Vigour, Avenger-class SSN
(SSN-240) RNS Vital, Avenger-class SSN

1st Amphibious Carrier Group, 8th Fleet
(CVA-54) RNS Amazon, Amazon-class CVA
(CVA-55) RNS Paladin, Amazon-class CVA
(CVA-56) RNS Samurai, Amazon-class CVA
(CGN-204) RNS Falcon, Griffon-class CGN
(DDGN-489) RNS Dennis, Judge-class DDGN
(DDGN-490) RNS Pearson, Judge-class DDGN
(FFGN-315) RNS Chapman, Mason-class FFGN
(FFGN-316) RNS Lerner, Mason-class FFGN
(FFGN-317) RNS Goodman, Mason-class FFGN
(AOE-73) RNS Knapenberger, Sanders-class AOE
(AOE-74) RNS Turzanski, Sanders-class AOE
(AOE-75) RNS Ward, Sanders-class AOE

Bishop Amphibious Readiness Group, 8th Fleet
(LHDN-49) RNS Bishop, Bishop-class LHDN
(LHDN-50) RNS Fye, Bishop-class LHDN
(LPD-37) RNS Lowe, Lowe-class LPD
(CGN-199) RNS Swallow, Griffon-class CGN
(DDGN-475) RNS Judge, Judge-class DDGN
(DDGN-476) RNS Giesen, Judge-class DDGN
(AOE-77) RNS Stern, Sanders-class AOE

Yates Amphibious Readiness Group, 8th Fleet
(LHDN-51) RNS Yates, Bishop-class LHDN
(LHDN-52) RNS Mitchell, Bishop-class LHDN
(LPD-38) RNS Neal, Lowe-class LPD
(CGN-200) RNS Blackbird, Griffon-class CGN
(DDGN-477) RNS Ullman, Judge-class DDGN
(DDGN-478) RNS Groah, Judge-class DDGN
(AOE-78) RNS Ammons, Sanders-class AOE

Richards Amphibious Readiness Group, 8th Fleet
(LHDN-53) RNS Richards, Bishop-class LHDN
(LHDN-54) RNS Knox, Bishop-class LHDN
(LPD-39) RNS Reynolds, Lowe-class LPD
(CGN-201) RNS Kingfisher, Griffon-class CGN
(DDGN-479) RNS Heyman, Judge-class DDGN
(DDGN-480) RNS McCallum, Judge-class DDGN
(AOE-79) RNS Rowley, Sanders-class AOE

Roark Amphibious Readiness Group, 8th Fleet
(LHDN-55) RNS Roark, Bishop-class LHDN
(LHDN-56) RNS Gray, Bishop-class LHDN
(LPD-40) RNS Wheeler, Lowe-class LPD
(CGN-203) RNS Raven, Griffon-class CGN
(DDGN-481) RNS Bowcheiw, Judge-class DDGN
(DDGN-482) RNS Hardie, Judge-class DDGN
(AOE-80) RNS Duncan, Sanders-class AOE

Hepburn Amphibious Readiness Group, 8th Fleet
(LHDN-57) RNS Hepburn, Bishop-class LHDN
(LHDN-58) RNS Connole, Bishop-class LHDN
(LPD-41) RNS Palmer, Lowe-class LPD
(CGN-204) RNS Falcon, Griffon-class CGN
(DDGN-483) RNS Close, Judge-class DDGN
(DDGN-484) RNS Cross, Judge-class DDGN
(AOE-81) RNS Thigpen, Sanders-class AOE

Rathburne Amphibious Readiness Group, 8th Fleet
(LHDN-59) RNS Rathburne, Bishop-class LHDN
(LHDN-60) RNS Sims, Bishop-class LHDN
(LPD-42) RNS Clark, Lowe-class LPD
(CGN-205) RNS Eagle, Griffon-class CGN
(DDGN-485) RNS Wolfe, Judge-class DDGN
(DDGN-486) RNS Catlay, Judge-class DDGN
(AOE-82) RNS Kunkle, Sanders-class AOE

1st Coastal Patrol Group
(LCS-1) RNS A01, A-class LCS
(LCS-2) RNS A02, A-class LCS
(MCM-3) RNS Punisher, Pioneer-class MCM
(MCM-4) RNS Penetrator, Pioneer-class MCM

2nd Coastal Patrol Group
(LCS-3) RNS A03, A-class LCS
(LCS-4) RNS A04, A-class LCS
(MCM-5) RNS Preserver, Pioneer-class MCM
(MCM-6) RNS Preventer, Pioneer-class MCM

3rd Coastal Patrol Group
(LCS-5) RNS A05, A-class LCS
(LCS-6) RNS A06, A-class LCS
(MCM-7) RNS Prevailer, Pioneer-class MCM
(MCM-8) RNS Predator, Pioneer-class MCM

1st Marine Expeditionary Force (I MEF)

1st Marine Division (14,759 Personnel)
- 1st Marine Expeditionary Brigade (48 M1 Panther MBT; 117 Cavalier ICV; 36 Cougar AGS; 105 Viking LVTP; 4,615 Personnel)
- 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade (48 M1 Panther MBT; 117 Cavalier ICV; 36 Cougar AGS; 105 Viking LVTP; 4,615 Personnel)
- 3rd Marine Expeditionary Brigade (48 M1 Panther MBT; 117 Cavalier ICV; 36 Cougar AGS; 105 Viking LVTP; 4,615 Personnel)

2nd Marine Division (14,759 Personnel)
- 4th Marine Expeditionary Brigade (48 M1 Panther MBT; 117 Cavalier ICV; 36 Cougar AGS; 105 Viking LVTP; 4,615 Personnel)
- 5th Marine Expeditionary Brigade (48 M1 Panther MBT; 117 Cavalier ICV; 36 Cougar AGS; 105 Viking LVTP; 4,615 Personnel)
- 6th Marine Expeditionary Brigade (48 M1 Panther MBT; 117 Cavalier ICV; 36 Cougar AGS; 105 Viking LVTP; 4,615 Personnel)

1st Marine Air Group (502 Personnel)
- 1st Marine Strike Fighter Squadron (18 F-2N; 18 Personnel)
- 2nd Marine Strike Fighter Squadron (18 F-2N; 18 Personnel)
- 3rd Marine Strike Fighter Squadron (18 F-2N; 18 Personnel)
- 4th Marine Strike Fighter Squadron (18 F-2N; 18 Personnel)
- 5th Marine Strike Fighter Squadron (18 F-2N; 18 Personnel)
- 6th Marine Strike Fighter Squadron (18 F-2N; 18 Personnel)
- 7th Aerial Refueling Squadron (18 KC-130J; 108 Personnel)
- 8th Aviation Logistics Squadron (250 Personnel)

I MEF Air Defence Battalion (260 Personnel)
- 1 Headquarters Detachment (50 Personnel)
- 6 MIM-154 Comet Missile Batteries (192 Personnel)
- 3 AN/SLQ-60 Clear Sight Radar Sites (18 Personnel)

I want to bring to bear 40 ships of a corporate fleet I'm hiring.

Also check your telegrams Red Tide.

First Corporate Fleet, Strategic Solutions Inc.

1x Empire Class Carrier
1x Admiral Class Carrier
1x Valkyrie Class Helicopter Assault Carrier
2x Hunter Class Submarines
2x Nautilus Class Submarines
2x Dolphin Class Submarines
14x Stingray Class Cruisers
4x Thunder Class Cruisers
2x Flank Class Destroyers
2x Search Class Detroyers
3x Pathfinder-class Dreadnaughts
1x Lord Class Battleship
1x Orca Class Battleship
2x Chieftain Class Pocket Battleships
2x Leviathon class Trimarine Super Dreadnaughts

Time I said something here.

The Aralonian detachment to the Red Tide theater consists of two Harbinger-class heavy cruisers (I think there was a thread about 15 pages back that I wanted to sell them in, heh.) and five modified Ticonderoga CG, with the forward gun replaced with a quad 35mm HV coilgun.

The Harbingers have dual-stage warheads, that fire from the coilgun at dumbfire for 70 kilometers, then streak in for another 350 kilometers. That, and hypervelocity dual-stage missiles can be launched from the ship's VLS for 1500km. Also, all ships have clustered THEL systems that serve as point defense against Katyusha rockets, artillery shells, etc.

Since I'm the weakest naval force involved with little air cover, I'll provide an anti-missile umbrella.

OOC: Anagonia, I sense a bit of Arthur C. Clarke in your writing. Very beautiful, indeed!

Thanks, I wanted to add something to make its death more understandable, and how the technology of the time worked. It made me feel ist destruction more worthwhile, but luckily I still have two more that I probably won't use anyway.

Thanks again, hope to make it a "Arthur C. Clarke" moment again sometime soon. I like when people comment on my posts!

:D

Uhh... Anagonia, I HIGHLY doubt you want to attack the Strategic Command Bunker, the effects would be quite adverse to yours and all of the other coalition nations. Instead, you just destroyed my Conventional Command Bunker.

Hey, thanks for correcting me. I thought it was the bunker with the radar for the SAM batteries and stuff. Guess not, and I did indeed leave it open for you to choose. So, yea, you could have made it useless, and you made it meaningful. Thanks man.

I appriciate it. :D

Next time I hope to be as lucky as this, lol...man I need to sleep..

Wait. I'm confused as hell now.

Who's who in this conflict? Right now I'm part of the anti-RT coalition, who else is there so I can contact them, etc.?

Red Tide, who exactly are you firing at with your shore batteries?

Anybody with a hostile IFF signature that is in range. Meaning all Coalition Ships starting with the closest.

I believe you ships will be the first to be shot at, because they are the closest(based on that post where you said you are about to enter my territorial waters and the fact that my territorial waters only go out to 12 kilometers from the coast).

[ooc:] I think we're just outside of bombardment range, but meh. We're linked up just outside Leafanistan's fleet then.

I'm against Red Tide, but Czarda has command of fleet assets until I see an opening for myself, or he needs me to come in and help him out.

TG me Czarda's if that ever happens.

Anywho...yea...just chillin and waitin to see whats gonna happen.

You keep forgetting the s on the end. :p

You keep forgetting the s on the end. :p

Woops....CezardaS..there :D

Anybody with a hostile IFF signature that is in range. Meaning all Coalition Ships starting with the closest.

I believe you ships will be the first to be shot at, because they are the closest(based on that post where you said you are about to enter my territorial waters and the fact that my territorial waters only go out to 12 kilometers from the coast).

Ahh, okay, I wasn't aware that your territorial waters only went out twelve kilometres. I shall post damage.

Right, so Cpt. Hawking should report in to whoever Cezardas has as CO of the coalition.

Also, Cpt. Hawking's 225th LCD is located a good 250km off the coastline.

Medium-Admiral Josiah Peabody is my fleet's CO.

(Yes, that is a real rank. The naval rank structure in Czardas is:

High Admiral
Medium Admiral
Admiral
Semi-Not-Quite-But-Sort-Of Admiral
Vice Admiral
Front Admiral
Rear Admiral
Commodore
Captain
Ensign
[etc.])

Aralonian XR-ASTM 3x pod (eXtended Range-Anti Surface Tactical Missile)

This weapon exists for the purpose of putting down a high amount of firepower in a short amount of time and defeat anti-air systems. Due to the flourishment of point defence weaponry and other anti-missile weapons, the standard missile slowly became obsolete, requiring huge amounts of firepower to get even one warhead through.

The XR-ASTM package is a long-range missile that uses a basic drive system to get to a high altitude, then coast towards the target at high altitudes and then drop directly onto the target.

The drive system consists of a booster to attain a quick separation from the ship-based VLS, then a secondary high-impulse thruster to reach the height of 200km. The entire missile is otherwise shrouded in light radar-dispersive geometric figures.

The drop system consists of the entire missile pointing itself down at an 85 degree angle and firing the drive mechanisms to stabilise, then unleashing the shroud as shown on 18 May [INSERT YEAR HERE] during the Red Tide conflict. The three barrels as shown are each 200mm one-shot railguns, designed to overload and collapse after firing the projectile at maximum velocity, 8 kilometeres per second. The projectile consists of a guided kinetic penetrator/explosive that drives into the target and explodes.

Also - Czardas, what do you mean by hardening?

Red Tide is claiming he has added "hardening" to all of his SAM command posts (considering that there are doubtlessly over 100,000 such posts... and hardening is rather expensive... that's dubious, but meh.), so I'm asking what kind of hardening he's using, how much it costs etc.

No offense to him, but his hardening can take it in the head from the kinetic penetrators :P

Red Tide is claiming he has added "hardening" to all of his SAM command posts (considering that there are doubtlessly over 100,000 such posts... and hardening is rather expensive... that's dubious, but meh.), so I'm asking what kind of hardening he's using, how much it costs etc.

I dont know much about EM waves so I assumed they work on the same principal as EMP.

And there are not 100,000 Command Posts, each battery only has one command post, so there are 15,000 in total deployed(4,500 for the NorthWest, 5,000 for the Southwest, 2,500 for the central desert, and 2,500 for the SouthEast Jungle). There are approximately 15,000 backups that have been constructed overtime and are in storage.

Red Tide2, where is the Umbrella Command Center? Wouldn't it be on my map since the last invasion? I mean, its a bunch of Radar dishes isn't it still? I'd like to sacrifice my second Ion Cannon to destroy it.

Umbrella Command Center? You mean strategic command. Err... that would trigger my WMD failsafes.

Umbrella Command Center? You mean strategic command. Err... that would trigger my WMD failsafes.

So? More bang for the buck...it IS out in the open, right? Cause I seriously want to end your sam batteries any way I can. Right now, the "mysterous" commanders of the Ion Cannons care little for the safety of the people.

Not the detonation failsafes... the LAUNCH failsafes.

There are two modules located on the bottom floor of the Strategic Command Center. If one of these modules are destroyed, the SOLG, a unmanned weapons platform in high earth orbit, will utilise all of its nuclear weapons against predesignated targets and then crash into a seperate, predesignated target.

If the other module is destroyed, all of Red Tides nuclear, biological, chemical, and focused weapons of mass destruction are automatically launched at predesignated targets. If both are destroyed... well, you can pretty much guess what happens.

The current pre-designated targets are cities inside the bigger coalition nations... that would include YOU Anagonia.

Your a tricky B*****d, Red Tide2. :P

Any other targets I could get to make the invasion more....successful? Lol. Besides, I'd Loose the Ion Cannon and such.

Well.. you could use it against the coastal defences. The downside there? It would give away where your landing and allow Red Tide to meet you with the armored and Mechanised Infantry Divisions they are holding in reserve. So far Red Tide has refrained from firing any Anti-Ship Cruise/Ballistic Missiles because it wants your ships to get in close... and I mean CLOSE, to support an invasion so you would have little time to react. Then again... a 60 megaton blast WOULD blow a pretty big damn hole in the defense line. Let me do some mathematics here.

Then again... I should have done that with my guns also.

Alright... I did my mathematics, and it turns out a 60 megaton bomb would leave near total fatalities out to 10.7 kilometers(!) and widespread devestation out to 27.9 kilometers(!!). 3rd degree burns would occur up to 62.5 kilometers(!!!!). So... in summary... DAMN!

Basically I'd make a damn big hole, which would enable everyone a good start...I'll work on it later on tonight.

Tagage. Will post OrBat later.

Check your telegrams Red Tide2

How is it possible for not one of those 2,000 SAMs not to hit the water? For that matter, how is it possible that none of those 2,000 SAMs were hit by 2,500 R-77 missiles? How could every last one of them completely miss those SAMs especially when those missiles have Active radar homing and terminal active radar?

That does not make sense. How could missiles traveling that fast (mach 4 was it?) towards the ground suddenly turn themselves upwards? I am sure that it's very possible, but not every last missile can possibly survive.

Right then. With 50 heavy bombers launching 4 missiles each, and each airborne missile with two barrels, we have a total of 400 potential hits from airborne HV.

Coupled with the 64 (VLS tubes) x 5 (ships with VLS) x 3 (barrels), we have 1360 potential impacts from dumbfire warheads.

However - these warheads cannot be intercepted by laser systems in much the same way that an explosive could! Laser systems such as THEL aim to detonate the warhead or boosters on a missile, and by the time the dumbfires fire, there is no propellant left in the system. Therefore the only thing you can do is meet kinetic penetrator with kinetic warhead or missile - not much can throw a high-velocity (8km/s) projectile off its course, let alone hit it. It's like trying to throw a pebble to stop a bullet.

Whilhelmsborough: Air-Air Missiles are ment to intercept AIRPLANES and LARGE MISSILES(such as cruise missiles)!

These SAMs are by no mean 'large'.

Aralonia: Your thinking this is a THEL? It isnt, it is a high-temperature laser, it creates temperatures more then sufficient to vaporize a tungsten made kinetic energy round. And it moves close to the speed of light, what, being a LASER and all! So hitting the target is not an issue.

Whilhelmsborough: Air-Air Missiles are ment to intercept AIRPLANES and LARGE MISSILES(such as cruise missiles)!

These SAMs are by no mean 'large'.
No matter what size they are:

1) Something traveling at that speed cannot sea-skim without blowing up due to the pressure;

2) Something traveling at that speed cannot turn 110 degrees.

It's called the laws of physics, and you can't ignore them until 2050, after which they're called Future Tech. :p

Who said they made a 110 degree turn. They are not directly on the tail of the aircraft.

No response to my force's actions?

The penetrators are pointed with manufactured diamond and otherwise made of DU.

Also - okay, hitting the target isn't an issue - but managing to hit ALL the targets is. No system is foolproof, as you've seen - and powering up within 6 seconds of detection and destroying - what was it, around 400 warheads? - within that time frame is incredibly tough. And I was already thinking that the laser operated in a pulse-fire mode, firing a total of 5 pulses a second.

EDIT: HEY, ANAGONIA, SHOOT THE ORTHODOX SYSTEM. XD

Whilhelmsborough: Air-Air Missiles are ment to intercept AIRPLANES and LARGE MISSILES(such as cruise missiles)!

These SAMs are by no mean 'large'.

Long range ones are.


Aralonia: Your thinking this is a THEL? It isnt, it is a high-temperature laser, it creates temperatures more then sufficient to vaporize a tungsten made kinetic energy round. And it moves close to the speed of light, what, being a LASER and all! So hitting the target is not an issue.

In order to put that much power in a laser, you're going to basically vaporize the laser itself due to thermal blooming. Tungsten is not easy to vaporize, it takes an immense amount of energy to do so.

Also - I never specified that ORTHODOX was a THEL system. I stated "such as THEL," implying laser weapons systems in general.

I was going to say how a multi-megawatt laser system such as that would be omgOVERKILL for a PMT timeline as well.

Sorry for taking so long to reply, should be getting one up shortly. :)

Whilhelmsborough: Air-Air Missiles are ment to intercept AIRPLANES and LARGE MISSILES(such as cruise missiles)!

These SAMs are by no mean 'large'.



Regardless of whether or not Air-Air missiles can hit your SAMs, the fact of the matter is that there is a wave of 2,500 missiles heading towards your 2,000 SAMs.

It doesn't matter if they can do their job or not, some SAMs will be hit and destroyed.

But not all.

Red Tide, can you get us a map or something, mark the remaining major bases, cities, ports and the coastal strips that still have defences please!

Thanks much! :)

I dont have a map, I suck at paint and all of those other programs.

Most Army bases are in the SouthWest, most Airforce bases are in the Central Desert, and most Naval Bases are in the SouthWest.

Most major cities are, again, in the SouthWest, with 3 in the NorthWest Plains, one in the central desert, two in the SouthEast jungles, and none(predictably enough) in the NorthEast mountains and the Western Wastelands.

Ah, I see, thanks though.

Oh, and hey, what are your plans for this RP, I presume your downfall and re-rise to power?

Exactly... I fully intend for the McKagans to get my leadership out, Ariga will be taken, but after a couple of years(a day or two in RL time), the Supreme Commander will return.

If THAT fails... who knows, I may actually find playing a peacfull and diplomatic country fun, I always liked to play evil though.

Exactly... I fully intend for the McKagans to get my leadership out, Ariga will be taken, but after a couple of years(a day or two in RL time), the Supreme Commander will return.

If THAT fails... who knows, I may actually find playing a peacfull and diplomatic country fun, I always liked to play evil though.
Who says you can't be peaceful and evil? The US seems to find playing that quite easy. :P XD

Who says you can't be peaceful and evil? The US seems to find playing that quite easy. :P XD
"Peaceful?"
coughIraqAfghanistanIsraelPalestineIranNorthKoreacough

"Peaceful?"
coughIraqAfghanistanIsraelPalestineIranNorthKoreacough
No, you got it all wrong, that's the "evil" part :P

The peaceful part is not erupting into civil war of killing off it's own citizens. :P

No, you got it all wrong, that's the "evil" part :P

The peaceful part is not erupting into civil war of killing off it's own citizens. :P
No, we just do it in other nations, and send our soldiers to said nations.

Current Aralonian Force Composition:

225 LCD
CA-16 Harbinger Heavy Cruiser
CG-12/14/15 modified Ticonderoga-class Missile Cruiser
FFE-20/21/22/23 modified Oliver Hazard Perry-class Escort Frigate
AxT-03 Yuki Auxilary Tender

384 LCD
CVE-05 Stellar Ranger, modified INS Viraat
CG-18/19 modified Ticonderoga-class Missile Cruiser
CE-20 modified Harbinger-class Escort Cruiser
DDG-64/65/66/67 modified Arleigh Burke-class Missile Destroyer
AxT-04 Haruhi Auxilary Tender

563 LCD
CAC-21 Arbiter Heavy Command Cruiser (Harbinger-class modified)
CA-22 Sentinel Heavy Cruiser (Harbinger-class)
CG-23/24/25 modified Ticonderoga-class Missile Cruiser
FFE-24/25/26/27 modified Oliver Hazard Perry-class Escort Frigate
AxT-05 Mikuru Auxilary Tender

The Harbingers – I'll get the data on those on later, they're not done yet. But they're pretty close to that. Otherwise, I do have the entirety of all the missiles in the fleet: 4x Harbinger + 8x mod!Ticonderoga + 4x mod!Burke + 12x mod!Perry. Harbingers and Ticonderogas have 64 tubes each, Burkes have 48, and Perries have 16. Therefore:

4(64) + 8(64) + 4(48) + 8(12) = 768 + 192 + 96 = 1056 missiles. Coupled with the fact that each ship fires twice, that's now 2112 missiles. Again, with each of the XR-ASTM missiles having 3 kinetic penetrators in each missile, that's 6336 kinetic hits. Which, considering how few ships that is, is a hell of a lot.

EDIT FOR POSTERITY:
The Harbinger Heavy/Command Cruisers each have two dual turrets and the Ticonderogas with a single of 155mm HV coilgun on them, designed to fire dual-stage projectiles at a rate of 1 shot every 10 seconds. Muzzle velocity is already 2 km/s to avoid overloading, but the in-flight rocket warheads accelerate to higher still velocities. They can hit targets at up to 300km away in about 6 minutes.

Total shells per salvo: 3(4) + 8 = 20.

Technology based off of the USA Rail Gun at http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_Rail_Gun.htm

So...Czarda's..Red Tide2....how goes taht war? Havin fun with me ships? *clears throat and acts occupied with something* Yea....mmhmm....

Oi, Anagonia, fire support. Demanded. Now. :P

So...Czarda's..Red Tide2....how goes taht war? Havin fun with me ships? *clears throat and acts occupied with something* Yea....mmhmm....
Oh yes, plenty. :p

Aralonia, I'll help you when I get the inspiration to.

Get me up on the tactical situation and I might help, but my Iowa Battleships don't have that long of a range..sooo...you know....bah

My ships do, but I'm engaging Leaf right now. A couple can provide fire support though, or I can get TSS to do it. :D

I can't spare much in the way of ship wise right now, I can give a Cruiser Attack Group (6 Cruisers, 12 Destroyers, and 12 Frigates, 20 Combat Transport Ships), but I need my own ships for my own fire support missions.

Aralonia: If it's okay with you, I can lease you decommissioned vessels from my navy, free of charge, during these operations. So long as you have the crews to man them.

Aralonia: According to the information you put up earlier... your fleet is far to far away to provide AA support for the land troops. Even if that was not the case, by the time you have countered launch, the missiles would have already launched their submunitions.

Oh, deary me. I was under the impression that these were IRBMs launched at Aequatian mainland.

No inspiration to post or anything right now. But assume I said something along these lines:


Major Jones wades through the waist deep water clutching his submachine gun, the rattling of guns from the amphibious assault ships and LHDs behind him omnipresent... <insert huge post here> ... The guns thunder as allied forces secure the beachhead south of the Silver Skyian landing zone.

Hoping I could get some friendly fire and some major confusion. While pretending to be allies, they were able to get extremely close to the Czardas fleet and cut into it at Flank speed while attacking. I was hoping the confusion we'd have some ships hitting each other and friendly missiles streaking through the fleet and hitting some ships getting into the way. And I'm not adverse to having a ship cut in half by a SDN. I just want chaos.

I will post my fleet soon.

DAMN! Sorry I have been away gentlemen I was reading a very good story... a Star Wars vs Star Trek Story... it was, very good.

Anyways, I will get an IC post up ASAP.

EDIT: Wait one moment!

No IC response from me goes up until this is acknowledged.

Finally, the forward units of the Coalition forces spotted the leading formations of the enemy mainforce... a mass of MBT-66 'Hydra' Main Battle Tanks, APC-45As, Bs, and Cs, M-1RT Tunguska Anti-Aircraft Vehicles, and, at the very lead of the formation, HSPAGX-01 'Medusa' Heavy Self-Propelled Assualt Guns. These were incredible beasts, capable of taking a redicilious amounts of punishment and dealing out even more pain with their 203mm ETC Guns. But like all beasts, they had weaknesses, in this case, they had no anti-infantry weapons, which would allow infantry to get up close and disable the treads of the tank... however, what was just about to happen made that prospect exceedingly unlikely. For, just 30 seconds before the massive armored column was about to enter into range of the enemies ground weapons, it stopped.

There was a moments pause... then each of the Medua's guns roared to life, the chassis could be seen literally jolt back as the gun hurled its massive projectiles towards the Coalition forces, the shells would easily reach them. Then the rest of the Armored Forces rumbled forward, firing on the move. The MBT-66s firing with their 122mm enhanced ETC Guns, the APC-45s constantly sweeping the sky and the ground with their 30mm autocannons, and the Tunguska's searching for air targets for their own 30mm Autocannons and QMSAMs.

DAMN! Sorry I have been away gentlemen I was reading a very good story... a Star Wars vs Star Trek Story... it was, very good.

Anyways, I will get an IC post up ASAP.

EDIT: Wait one moment!

No IC response from me goes up until this is acknowledged.

Sorry about that, I completely spaced. I'll post now.

Damn, I keep forgetting about this RP. :p

Reply to the sea-based artillery a dreadnaught that got away fired on at 'Red Beach'. It should be landing in a similar place as Red Tidean Artillery.

Reply to the sea-based artillery a dreadnaught that got away fired on at 'Red Beach'. It should be landing in a similar place as Red Tidean Artillery.

Which post is that in?

EDIT: Never mind, I found it. Posting.

A Superdreadnaught who had sustained medium damage to its rear turrets continued to fire and was bearing down on an unknown destroyer and nearly cut it in half in a mad dash to make a turn parallel to the shoreline. However, it was caught up with another ship and turned off and kept engaging enemy forces. The two superdreadnaughts being large targets had lost 2 turrets each and were emptying their missile armament at close range.

However, in the midst of this a Dreadnaught that had been shadowing a SDN had been able to take up positions and let loose a massive Tomahawk salvo, 140 missiles total at the shoreline where Coalition forces were attempting to land.

It then turned its turrets and began to pound the shoreline, following where Red Tidean artillery shells were landing to try to copy the Red Tidean efforts.

It was protected by 3 Stingrays, a Thunder, another Dreadnaught which was setting up its shot against the shoreline and a Superdreadnaught close by helped keep the smaller escort ships off their backs.

There you go.

EDIT: Crap! :headbang: I should refresh my pages.

I'm about half done with my reply, probably won't get it up until tomorrow afternoon though, once school gets out on friday and the weekend is over I should reply faster and better.:)

My escorts are going to try to hold you guys off while the other ships bombard the coastline to support the Red Tidean push.

How large is the landing area? How far in are people?

I know my landing zone is about 20-25km long and about 18km deep.

My landing zone is probably about as long as TSS's (20km) and from what I figure, I'm about the same distance in (15-18km) or so.

Ok so Im bombing whereever Red Tide is in the hopes that I can more effectively do it.

Tss, Tg.

Aralonia: If it's okay with you, I can lease you decommissioned vessels from my navy, free of charge, during these operations. So long as you have the crews to man them.

Ho snap, didn't see this post!

Sincere question: Do you think that a nation of only 18 million can man the decommed vessels? The Good Commodore Norien Elson is feeling mighty worthless :P.

If so, then I've got an idea: RT airforce sights Aralonian fleet and sink the Arbiter, Harbinger, and most of the other surface vessels. Aequatio forces act as deus ex machina and pick up Captain Hawking, and also sight Commodore Elson's body in the water. (Also a good excuse to name a ship Norien Elson!) And move on from there.

OOC: I dont know if my Airforce or Navy is in shape to do that. All of my Tu-22 bases have been destroyed and my Surface-Attack Aircraft are committed to the battlefront.

I see. Are there any minefields around RT, then? I mean, sea mines. Arbiter and Harbinger could have accidentally ran into them...

Have you guys made two separate landings on the Red Tide shores?

Also, how far in does Red Tide's defenses go?

I have a few NEW tanks to play around with, so if you want me to I'll play my landing forces. I made some modifications to the main Battle Tank that combated the Red Tideans last time, and bought some new weapons and stuffs for my ground forces.

So, if ya need me to, I'll be rping.

Go ahead, we could use the help :P

Have you guys made two separate landings on the Red Tide shores?

Three counting my landing.

Three counting my landing.

Four actually.
Me, Czardas, Aequaito, You

Ho snap, didn't see this post!

Sincere question: Do you think that a nation of only 18 million can man the decommed vessels? The Good Commodore Norien Elson is feeling mighty worthless :P.

If so, then I've got an idea: RT airforce sights Aralonian fleet and sink the Arbiter, Harbinger, and most of the other surface vessels. Aequatio forces act as deus ex machina and pick up Captain Hawking, and also sight Commodore Elson's body in the water. (Also a good excuse to name a ship Norien Elson!) And move on from there.

Well, perhaps I can provide them as replacements for vessels lost afterwards then.

As for the rescue, I wouldn't mind taking part in pulling your people from the water.

Red Tide: I never got a response to this attack against your MiGs:

In the distance, the Shikra was firing a barrage of 200 RIM-154 Sea Comet high-speed SAMs as did the other four cruisers in the fleet, a total of a thousand weapons sped towards the MiGs first at Mach 5 before engaging their scramjet engines and increasing their speed to nearly Mach 20.

Okay then. Running into mines in 3... 2... 1...

EDIT: Egad, those things are painful.

Go ahead, we could use the help :P

I'll think about getting one up later, busy atm...gah...

On the plus side, I finish school earlier than TSS. :p

Yo, Czardas, I finished school today. :P

Yo, Czardas, I finished school today. :P
Oh yeah? At 12 noon? :p

Oh yeah? At 12 noon? :p

HEY! I (officially) ended school at 11:30PM! I beat you both! :p

I (unofficialy) ended school yesterday. Today was just rewards and closing-year speeches.

HEY! I (officially) ended school at 11:30PM! I beat you both! :p

I (unofficialy) ended school yesterday. Today was just rewards and closing-year speeches.
What grade are/were you in?

Freshman(or freshmeat as my fellow high schoolers call me), 9nth. I am 15(going to(officialy) turn 16 on June 1st).

Speaking of which, I have a birthday party tomorrow(early, I know, but June 1st is the middle of the week) and it starts at $:00 PM until 11:00 AM the next day.

Freshman(or freshmeat as my fellow high schoolers call me), 9nth. I am 15(going to(officialy) turn 16 on June 1st).
Wow, I wonder if I'm actually one of the older people in this RP. I'm a senior for the next two weeks. I know TSS is 15, not sure about Anagonia but I'm fairly sure he's around my age; Aequatio may be older than me; not sure about Aralonia or Leafanistan either.

I'm graduating Bronx Science in a few days. Just 8 more days of school. Prom is next Thursday. Blah blah blah, I can't seem to find posts countering my crazy fleet.

Czardas, want to have a battleship ram a carrier and destroy each other? Or maybe one of my dreadnaughts. Lets get some more drama and confusion.

Wow, I wonder if I'm actually one of the older people in this RP. I'm a senior for the next two weeks. I know TSS is 15, not sure about Anagonia but I'm fairly sure he's around my age; Aequatio may be older than me; not sure about Aralonia or Leafanistan either.

Christ, now I feel old (20).

Christ, now I feel old (20).

The other day someone asked in my Java class, What is DOS and Command Prompt?

I felt really old for knowing the answer to that. I can still program in BASIC. :cool:

The other day someone asked in my Java class, What is DOS and Command Prompt?

I felt really old for knowing the answer to that. I can still program in BASIC. :cool:

Kids these days, they don't know the past. I was going through an old box of albums one day and my brother asked where I got the "big, black CDs." That made me feel old.

Kids these days, they don't know the past. I was going through an old box of albums one day and my brother asked where I got the "big, black CDs." That made me feel old.

I got 8-tracks! But lets get back on topic, why don't people hate my fleet.

Also, can I start smuggling soon. Where do these refugees go? Can I have a cover corporation called International Import & Export start doing food aid to these guys.

I've done enough bad guy, I want to play the good guy, then the morally ambigious guy.

I got 8-tracks! But lets get back on topic, why don't people hate my fleet.

Also, can I start smuggling soon. Where do these refugees go? Can I have a cover corporation called International Import & Export start doing food aid to these guys.

I've done enough bad guy, I want to play the good guy, then the morally ambigious guy.

I do hate your fleet, one of my last posts has my ships and submarines firing upon your vessels.

Let's see here: I'm a young gun, I guess, age 15.

Blast it! Memorial Day Weekend for me, I get out in 2 weeks. I really need to throw something right now, just because.

And I'd take on the Leafanistan fleet, but right now I think they're within a kilometer of the Czardian fleet, and, the missiles being what they are, huge railgun carriers, can be inaccurate.

Also, there's the teeny tiny little problem of having half the fleet gone like *snaps fingers* that.

Let's see here: I'm a young gun, I guess, age 15.

Blast it! Memorial Day Weekend for me, I get out in 2 weeks. I really need to throw something right now, just because.

And I'd take on the Leafanistan fleet, but right now I think they're within a kilometer of the Czardian fleet, and, the missiles being what they are, huge railgun carriers, can be inaccurate.

Also, there's the teeny tiny little problem of having half the fleet gone like *snaps fingers* that.

Actually in the RP I've closed the range to negative numbers. The Czardas fleet and the Corporate Fleet (I'd prefer Corporate Fleet, the Leafanistani Fleet is involved) are intermixed and ships are getting mixed up and firing upon each other. That is why I want a collison.

As for the firing upon the fleet, I must be stupid because I can't find hte post. :(

And I'll ask again, if the other government running my nation decides to offer food and medical aid and subcontracts to a Mafia-infested corporation would you accept it?

As for the firing upon the fleet, I must be stupid because I can't find hte post. :(

It's in post #195, cruise missiles and shells.



RNS Marcus Pendleton

Commander Wayne Leander, the chief gunnery officer of the massive battleship, had received word that the enemy positions had become too close to the Marines ashore so he decided to turn the ship's guns against targets off the coast, mainly the Corporate Fleet which had been shelling the coalition beachheads. The ship maneuvered into position and the 755mm guns loaded their armour-peircing shells as the radar operators isloated the two largest signatures in the enemy fleet, their Leviathon Superdreadnaughts. The twenty guns split their firing with ten guns per target, as before, the entire fleet shook as the vessel fired. Its secondary armament of 203mm and 127mm guns opened fire on lighter targets such as cruisers and destroyers along with the 127mm guns of the fleet's cruisers and destroyers.

Each of the Ocean II missile submarines opened fire with another salvo of two hundred BGM-172 armed with 450kg High-Explosive warheads, sending another 800 weapons ashore, this time targetted for the Red Tidean artillery units and the soft-skinned support elements behind their main lines. The Avenger attack boats prepared their own Pike cruise missiles, these ones armed for anti-shipping with armour-peircing warheads packed with 225kg of High-Explosive, and each submarine fired 120 (1,680 Total) of the weapons against targets within the Leafanistani Corporate Fleet. After the missiles penetrated the surface of the water and started their course towards the enemy vessels, six of the Avenger-class boats moved off the perimeter and made a heading for the same fleet, armed with their heavy 810mm torpedoes and tube-launched BGM-172 Pike Anti-Shipping Missiles.

Thank you very much. I'll respond to that. So how about that international aid? :)

Thank you very much. I'll respond to that. So how about that international aid? :)

The only aid my country would accept at the moment would be those from coalition nations.

I'll have to echo Aequatio on the aid part.

Also my replying time this weekend and monday is going to be almost nil, I spent the night at a friends house last night, and I'm extremely tired, in about 2 hours I have to go to a graduation party and will probably stay up talking to my gf at night and tomorrow we have another party. as for monday we have another party and by then I'll be dead tired.

I'll try to get something up by monday though.

Christ, now I feel old (20).

Add another to the club, 20 as well.

More related to this thread, I'll be posting an offensive later today to try and get some action on my landing zone.

[OOC: TSS, you still have yet to respond to my TG....]

[OOC: TSS, you still have yet to respond to my TG....]
Well, I'll do so now, "No, I barely have anytime to reply to this, so I wouldn't be any help to you."

As for everyone else I won't get anything up until tomorrow or late, late tonight, sorry about that. :)

Add another to the club, 20 as well.



Hell, you can add a third. Damn kids with their iPods.

I absolutely hate MP3 players. Honestly. They're uni-taskers.

I absolutely hate MP3 players. Honestly. They're uni-taskers.
Ya, never really go what was so cool about 'em.

I have little time today, and in fact I have to leave in a few minutes, but can someone summarise all the stuff I need to respond to and I'll try to get up a post this week.

I prefer the USB Key/MP3 players, get some music, get some storage, useful in two ways. The iPod though is a hunk of well-marketed junk, scratches easily, crashes frequently, and they upgrade it so quickly, you are outdated as you are leaving the store watching them hurridely change the posters on the windows.

Ok Red Tide, this Over-the-Horizon RADAR of yours. I'm going to assume that it uses RADAR exclusively, and not LADAR. Otherwise, the name would be misleading.

From experience I have to assume that the Over-the-Horizon RADAR is connected directly to your SAM batteries, and that which your RADAR finds is fed directly to the SAMs before they launch.

My problem here with how you've been RPing this is that taking my EB-180 into consideration, it would be very difficult for your Over-the-Horizon RADAR to correctly pin-point the aircraft. Especially with the RADAR Detection Avoidance System scrambling your RADAR emissions and sending them 180 degrees from their origin (and this by the way is supposed to be a stealth aircraft).

If the RADAR can't get the proper target, then the missiles will be firing off in the wrong direction. If they're firing off in the wrong direction, then they can't see us.

Then how in the hell did your damn RADAR pick us up correctly and launch SAMs in the direction which we were flying? Are you trying to fuck with me here? Under what logic does this actually occur?

Red Tide: What's the ORBAT for your divisions, mechanized and armoured?

Right, well - I'm currently under Finals mode, with said Exams from Hell beginning next week. So, probably hiatus for the next week.

Assume that Captain Hawking is still in the dumps about Elson's death. I'll post a short message tomorro- erk! -later today. (It's 12:04 AM, bugger all.)

Wilhelmsborough: My OTH RADAR is not the only RADAR on Red Tide, my stationary SAM sites have both RADAR and LADAR antennae. Granted, most of my stationary RADAR antennae on the NorthEastern coast have been wiped out, but LADAR, if I can recall right, cannot be targeted via HARMs. In addition to roving mobile RADARs which are constantly switching their RADARs on and off. All of these are stealth detection capable(especially the OTH RADAR).

Finally, your little RADAR scrambler will do Jack-**** against LADAR, which, if I remember correctly, is NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE to jam, confuse, or otherwise lose.

Aquatio: I dont have an ORBAT, all though I do imagine that it is based off of the late Soviet/Modern Russian organisation, with each division being 20,000 men plus a 5,000 man brigade.

PS: I am at my Drivers-Ed Class, one of my classmates says hi.

OOC: LADAR has ranges limitations, it uses light, which is defracted by the atmosphere over time. LADAR isn't really that effective over 100km depending on the size of the emitter/detector, but they have altitude (different layers of the atmosphere are of different temperatures, which defracts the light further), most of them can't get over 100,000 feet, way below Will's craft.

And constantly switching on and off? Sorry, not really gonna happen the way you want, radar takes time to power up, and if it's switching on and off you're only gonna get one look at the craft with RADAR, which probably wouldn't get him anyway(except for OTH) because he's too high.

OOC: Thats why the missile gets close to the aircraft on inertial guidance BEFORE activating the LADAR.

OOC: LADAR has ranges limitations, it uses light, which is defracted by the atmosphere over time. LADAR isn't really that effective over 100km depending on the size of the emitter/detector, but they have altitude (different layers of the atmosphere are of different temperatures, which defracts the light further), most of them can't get over 100,000 feet, way below Will's craft.


This is true. Also, LADAR can also be screwed up by cloud particles and aerosol gas. So when Red Tide says "HURRR LADAR IS PERFECT HURRRR," it is not completely true. Nothing is that perfect. There's always something that will be developed to screw up new advances.

Isnt 170,000 feet way above the cloud and aresol level?

OOC: yes, but getting their is the trick, and even then you have to deal with electromagnetic stuff, UV rays from the sun, and temp change, the first will be detrimental to electronics while the second will serve to defract the light further.

Also, I forgot to mention the angel of the planes surfaces, if it's angled (SR-71, B-2, F-117, F-22A) then just like radar the LADAR laser will bounce off at angles and be less readable, also, black or other light absorbant paint will reduce the beam further.

OOC: yes, but getting their is the trick, and even then you have to deal with electromagnetic stuff, UV rays from the sun, and temp change, the first will be detrimental to electronics while the second will serve to defract the light further.

Also, I forgot to mention the angel of the planes surfaces, if it's angled (SR-71, B-2, F-117, F-22A) then just like radar the LADAR laser will bounce off at angles and be less readable, also, black or other light absorbant paint will reduce the beam further.

A: If getting to 170,000 feet is an issue with a two stage missile utilising a combination of a solid fuel rocket and SCRAMjet, then his airplane shouldnt be up there either.

B: That is an issue, but electromagnetic hardening should take care of that, if not, well his airplane should have issues with that also.

C: Stealth? At Mach 6? How the hell is that achievable without Plasma Shield Technology?(which would blind his sensors aswell)

I don't think that a missile's going to take down any craft at 170K feet, or about 52 kilometeres, unless it's got some really good targeting systems, or if it's being launched from something at the same height, OR i

Nonetheless, I'll postulate that Wilhelmsborough's craft is some sort of stealth bomber as well, and, with the surfaces on such craft, would render the reflective nature of LIDAR useless. You'd get a very very light sensors distortion, if any, unless the underside of the craft is painted the same color as the sky, which is what I'm guessing, or a dark blue underside with lights on it to modify the underside to the color of the sky at the time.

--I'm giving away Aralonian trade secrets! Oh teh noez snapz!

A: If getting to 170,000 feet is an issue with a two stage missile utilising a combination of a solid fuel rocket and SCRAMjet, then his airplane shouldnt be up there either.

B: That is an issue, but electromagnetic hardening should take care of that, if not, well his airplane should have issues with that also.

C: Stealth? At Mach 6? How the hell is that achievable without Plasma Shield Technology?(which would blind his sensors aswell)
A: I meant being able to get guided up their with decent accuracy.

B: Yeah, most planes andmissiles would take care of that, just putting it out their (not everyone shieds their missiles)

C: Carbon-Carbon Composites, IR reducing measures, black paint, their are several methods.

OOC: IR reduction? at MACH 6!!?? And wouldnt black paint burn off at that speed? As for the first thing, :runs off to do research:

Listen folks, if you want to know about the EB-180 Stargazer, just look at it's entry in Emperor Pudu's Pudite Military Arms Storefront. It should tell you what you need to know about it's capacities.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9357635&postcount=2

Well, look at that! You are using LADAR ALSO!

Red Tide: There was no response to my aircraft launching the 2,800 AIM-120C missiles at your MiGs.

As well, my 120mm automatic mortars were firing at your troops before they hit my lines with no response.

Well, look at that! You are using LADAR ALSO!

I never denied it.

Red Tide: There was no response to my aircraft launching the 2,800 AIM-120C missiles at your MiGs.

As well, my 120mm automatic mortars were firing at your troops before they hit my lines with no response.

Getting to it now.

Umm, what about my 'Nova's, the other bombs, my sea arty and my divisions attack?

You only got one out of five...

Red Tide: My EF-1Bs dropped cluster bombs on your SAMs and SPAAGs as they flew over them towards the advancing reinforcements and it wasn't responded to, only that they fired on the aircraft. I need you to respond to that before I can post again.

OOC: Okay, the air bombers would have been attacked by SAMs, and by SPAAG I assume you mean my Tunuska's? Becuase it would damn well be pretty hard to kill all of my APC-45s.

I meant more they would have engaged any of the air defence vehicles.

Alright, basically what the rest of you have said regarding my bomber and Red Tide's SAMs is that over a certain height, LADAR becomes ineffective due to temperature changes, electromagnetic fields, light refractions, and UV rays from the sun.

The paint on the EB-180 Stargazer is designed to withstand RADAR emissions, but I suppose that based on what Aralonia said, at this height (170,000+ ft), LADAR emissions should be rendered useless. It should be known that the aircraft has been painted to blend in with the sky.

From this, I must conclude that although Red Tide's inertial guidance may get his SAMs up into the air, it would be extremely difficult, or next to impossible for the LADAR to get a lock due to the natural conditions of being at that height.

Guys, have I summed your words up right?

OOC: :Sighs:, all right, it doesnt use LADAR, it uses infrared seekers then. And given how fast your bomber is moving, it must have some pretty big(READ: HOT) engines.

No. Bad Red Tide. No retconning. :P

Retconning based on OOC information = bad. :p

You made a mistake. Get over it and use IR guided SAMs next time.

No kidding. What a cheap move to save face. Now I admit, your SAM's are an incredible and effective defense. My first attack wave can attest to that. But like I said, no defense is perfect. Not even yours. There are always weaknesses. I merely found, and exploited one of them. Take it like a man, man. :p

OOC: Alright, I retconned based on the fact that my scientists would have probably found out the whole LADAR thing from tests. But you found another way around it anyways :p.

I'm in the middle of a huge post and I have to leave. It'll be up soon.... I promise.

@Czardas: That was two days ago. :P

@Everyone: I'm leaving later today and going out of town with my girlfriend and a friend to another friends house. He does have internet but it's icky 28k dail-up and we'll be doing stuff all the time, so I'm not gonna be able to get up a post until maybe the night of the 12th or early the 13th. At the rate the RP is progress (half a page to a page a day), it won't be easy to catch up with everything. So I'm gonna ask if the RP could be put on pause or at least go more slowly so it's easier for me to catch up when I get back. Please respond if that's ok.

Thanks. :)

@Czardas: That was two days ago. :P

@Everyone: I'm leaving later today and going out of town with my girlfriend and a friend to another friends house. He does have internet but it's icky 28k dail-up and we'll be doing stuff all the time, so I'm not gonna be able to get up a post until maybe the night of the 12th or early the 13th. At the rate the RP is progress (half a page to a page a day), it won't be easy to catch up with everything. So I'm gonna ask if the RP could be put on pause or at least go more slowly so it's easier for me to catch up when I get back. Please respond if that's ok.

Thanks. :)

Wouldn't it be easier for everyone that is still here if you handed control of your forces to someone else so that it could be continued?

Well, I would but I'm the only one who knows all about my forces, and I'm not gonna go about explaining all my forces weapons and stuff, so unless you want to study alot or read my mind i dun think you'll wanna.

Alright, at Silver Sky's request, this roleplay is on hold.

Alright, at Silver Sky's request, this roleplay is on hold.

Dang... Oh well, it'll give my brain some time to rest away from strategy and give me more time to play TES4: Oblivion.

Sorry for the Lateness,here is the Usean Fleet at RT2
7xInvincible-class carriers
4xForrestal-class Carriers
2xNimitz class Super carriers
2xSDN Carriers*
1xIowa-class Battleship
18xUSS Arleigh Burke Destroyers
14xTiconderoga crusers
4xSTN barges**
6xGrandir Battle Zepplins**
1xArcangel Command Ship***



*SuperDreadknoght Carrier,the only Usean Made Battleship
**Not actually Ships,the STN Barges are converted Megafloat Class tatical Barges with STN-3 "Smallhenge" Cannons on them.The Grandir is a zepplin airship
***This one is far back in the range of Usean SAMS,STN-2 "Stonehenge 2"Cannons and Usean land Fighters

@Czardas: That was two days ago. :P
/me slaps The_Silver_Sky around with a large trout.

Whatever, the pause gives me time to work on a post. So meh.

I'll be home some time tomorrow after noon, before 2:30 (my dad is picking me up and wants to watch the world cup game :p). So, go ahead and post, thanks everyone. :)

I'm back home! :) YAY!