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[FT or MT?]

OOC: PMT at least, mate.

My understanding of MT is anything that's currently used or possibly used in the near future (I think Current Year + 1 Decade is the cutoff, so 2016 for this, meaning ETC guns might be a possibility on MBTs, for example).

[I agree that this is out of the MT league. Sniper Country is MT in almost the strictest sense of the word, and this far surpasses what we would even consider. We're just now to the point where we're looking into computerized infantry systems, much like the Land Warrior System. Okay, maybe not strictly MT, but very traditional. Old Skool. Anyway, I'd say this stuff is nearer to 2030+ range.]

OOC: and also if your refer to the movie Johnny Mnemonic (http://project.cyberpunk.ru/idb/johnnymnemonic.html)
Johnny Mnemonic was a short story, and it was set several decades into the future.

Most defiantly PMT. Your own soruces claim that they won't even think of the kind operation you envisage until 2014 for the intial esearch and that would only be interfacing with a few neural bits, for the kind of stuff youa re talking about you would need to interface with most of the bain which is a whole order of magnatude mroe complciated than what they hope to achive in 2014.


As for your armour if its mod tech then anyone who uses a standard infantry rifle in anything even slightly more powerful than 7.62x39mm will be killing your troops quiet easily with a few hits to the centre of mass. You have to go to the utmsot extemes of mod tech to stop more than 7.62x39mm with anythign that could be cosnidered "light weight".
And who needs explosive rounds? a single hit to the head or a couple into the main body from msot decent rifle rounds will kill any"man" fairly well its kind of hard to keep fighting when your brain or internal organs are mush.

And who needs explosive rounds? a single hit to the head or a couple into the main body from msot decent rifle rounds will kill any"man" fairly well its kind of hard to keep fighting when your brain or internal organs are mush.
HEAP rounds are useful against Capitol Police, actually.
BTW, SyCoTiC, is that a picture of one of the F.E.A.R. soldiers?

HEAP rounds are useful against Capitol Police, actually.

You aren't going to workable get HEAP/HEAT ammo into an infantry rifle and a explosive bullet from anythign less than a .50cal round isn't worth it

The pic is a HL2 civil protection officer

You aren't going to workable get HEAP/HEAT ammo into an infantry rifle and a explosive bullet from anythign less than a .50cal round isn't worth it
Meh, I RP a 3rd world nation, in the year 2050. By then, an effective, HEAP round should have been developed, especially with Kraven being the huge threat he is.

Meh, I RP a 3rd world nation, in the year 2050. By then, an effective, HEAP round should have been developed, especially with Kraven being the huge threat he is.

Actually it wouldn't unless you have standard infantry weapons firing projectiles in the 20gram/300grain at decent velocityies and some how have a way of managing the somewhat insane recoil of such a weapon.

below that level blended metal rounds do the job much more efficently and not amtter how much a soldier is wanked up a kit to the head or heart will kill.

Actually it wouldn't unless you have standard infantry weapons firing projectiles in the 20gram/300grain at decent velocityies and some how have a way of managing the somewhat insane recoil of such a weapon.

below that level blended metal rounds do the job much more efficently and not amtter how much a soldier is wanked up a kit to the head or heart will kill.
Perhaps you're not familiar with Kraven's Capitol Police.

Anyway, I use a modified Steyr AUG, which definitely does not fire 300 grain bullets, but there's going to be breakthroughs in microexplosives and other technologies related to this topic, so I'm not concerned.

Meh, I RP a 3rd world nation, in the year 2050. By then, an effective, HEAP round should have been developed, especially with Kraven being the huge threat he is.

*coughs*Not really a big threat.*coughs*

This whole thing is definetly late-PMT.

And humans infected with rabies will probably die horridly painful deaths, not mutate. Radiation isn't a magical mutagen in the sci-fi sense of the word, it just causes cancer and other wonderful diseases.

Past that, a massive network controlling all your soldiers is HIGHLY suceptible to electronics warfare on a large scale.

*coughs*Not really a big threat.*coughs*
He's a big threat to the small fish.

ooc: No i'm afraid they are not F.E.A.R soldiers but they are units from half life 2 (well the basic charactor model iam using is) the picture is just for show to be honest. :D

a couple of points i think i should make.

1. the armour the soldies are fitted with is light weight kevlar. all the armour can actually do is stop bullets which i should have made a bit clearer in my post.

2. on one of my links it has stated that the technology is being developed and wouldn't be tested till around the year 2014 which is correct for the link i have provided. but the link i have provided is an example of research which is currently being done. i will now refer you to the NSwiki MT section (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/MT)

Modern Tech
Modern Tech uses the conventions of present day availability. You may generally assume that technology available to real world nations is also available to your nation. It is generally assumed to be the default position.

Modern +1 Tech uses modern technology, plus allows for things currently being researched. This is still much more restrictive than Postmodern Tech, and usually keeps technology within ten years of the present.

3. Strathdonia have you ever heard of the OICW (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OICW) program? basically it was a program that would eventually replace the M-16 machine gun in america, please also refer to XM8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM8)

OICW - Objective Individual Combat Weapon, currently being designed as a replacement for the popular M16 line of military assault rifles. The three basic components are a "kinetic energy module", which is a modified H&K 5.56mm G36 rifle with a 30-round box magazine, a "high explosive module", which is a semi-automatic 20mm grenade launcher firing from a 6-round box mag, and a computerized day/night sighting system with integrated laser rangefinder and fire control unit.

basically the weapons the Troops are using are modified versions of the OICW but more light weight and robust like the XM8.


Oddly enough both the OICW and the XM8 have both been cancelled al though the gendade aluncher part has reappeared as the XM-25http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl13-e.htm

The grenade launcher part was never going to be standard issue to evryone in the US army.
The kinetic part of the OICW basically deveopled into the XM-8, both being version of the G-36.
So you are givign your toops a prettified OICW (the XM-8 wasn't really lighter than the G-36 it was juts prettified), good for you, i'm sure they will have fun using the big bulky overly complicated mess.

Although i don;t know why you brought up your weapon, i ermely mentioned explosives rounds as i was pointing out that any one using any form of intermediate round would ahve no more trouble killing your troops than any other soldier in the world and thus would not require any form of explosives to do so.

He's a big threat to the small fish.


Aparantly, Im a big Threat to the Big fish, considering Golgoth are mobilising against The Supreme State

Aparantly, Im a big Threat to the Big fish, considering Golgoth are mobilising against The Supreme State

You're a big pussy cat really and you know it :D

On another note. Just so i can cheer this thread up somewhat i have decided to change my whole nation state to stop this kind of event from occuring again.

So from now on, the Nation State of the SyKoTiC Revolution is MT/PMT and my troops are availible to this time frame alone.

(plus it allow's me to create different mutations in the not so distant future to be able to build my Nation and so that everyone can benifit from new ideas that i come up with)

Kevlar can stop bullets up to 5.56 mm sometimes. It is not foolproof. Full body armor used by todays troops is already higher grade than what you are describing. A 7.62 mm marksman rifle would punch holes right through kevlar.

The OICW was turned down because it was basically too bulky. There are better weapons system. The Australian AICW 20MM is more likely to work.

This is basically a very badly put together Future Force Warrior outfit (Cost of about 70K) which is PMT-- it would be rolled out in maybe 2025. This is what you would be describing.

Making these people berserk makes them lose their discipline, berserkers are very easy targets unless they are in very close combat. Rampage mode is badly described berserking. Good marksmen would tear your force apart. The feral instinct to kill would also leave them vulnerable. Strength is useless in everything but close combat. They would rush right into grenade launcher fire and be blown to bits. It does not make them harder to kill, in some ways it makes it easier.


You could leave poisoned meat out, diseased animals, or include carrier viruses in your own troops and it would cause them problems.

Plus it would instantly cause backlash, enemy troops would not hesitate to use battlefield nukes, high capacity flamethrowers and other lethal weapons on non-human creatures.

We also have something called the AA-12 which uses HEAP rounds in an automatic shotgun. It would tear these troops apart. We had to deal with a similar problem earlier.

Messing with their metabolism will make them very vulnerable to chemical weapons. The rampage mode would make things like sarin and chlorine gas much more effective because they act on metabolism.

Please take the time to look at a Future Force Warrior package, it would improve the troops you are describing tremendously.

There are other ways to do this. A carrier virus could rewrite portions of their DNA for example, muscle grafts, etc.

Unless you are Posting IC and about the thread subject i would ask you not to post, this is the only warning i shall be giving. I am new to this game and any Kinks i have will be worked out in due time.

Please read the above statement.

as i have stated iam very new to this game and any kinks will be worked out in due time just please let me play the game without all of this spoiling the thread.