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AGC-60 Armored Gun Cruiser
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/AGC.jpg
The ACG or Armored Gun Crusier is an all new configuration of ship which has just been designed by Phoenix Dynamix. It features Armor on the order of a super battleship, but in a much more compact package. Mostly steel, the armor does feature some of the carbon composite encased depleted uraninum armor used extenisvely by land vehicles made by Phoenix Dynamix (such as in the turret) The ACG has enough hangar and deck space for 1 helicopter such as the SH-65A, and can land, but not hangar large helicopters like the CH-50 and CH-47. As required by TPM design standards there are 2 CIWS and a 5 inch gun in addtion to the rear SAM launcher and the dual 14" main cannons. The 14 inch cannons are excellent at providing fire support for beach landings or attacking surface ships and coastal defenses. Also available are 12 inch coil guns instead of the conventional cannons. This requires an extra Generator and raise the price somewhat but adds some range and increases the feet per second the round travels and it's accuracy greatly. Although with rocket assited projectiles you will get nearly the same preformance, both options are there for you to choose. The FCLAS shield is also inculded to supplement the CIWS missile defenses.
Specifications:
Power Plant: (2) Diesel-Electric Engines Powering (4) Generator-Fed Submersible turbines and fuel-cell battery backup
Displacement: Heavy
Speed: 30 knots
Aircraft: (1) SH-60 Sea Hawk (LAMPS III) or (1) SH-65A Dolphin
Armament:
(2) 14 inch cannons or ((2) 12 inch coilguns)
(1) 5-inch/60 caliber lightweight gun
(2) 30mm Vulcan CIWS
(8) Surface to Air Missiles in Armored Box Launcher (or 2 place RIM launcher)
(1) Crew Served 25mm Chain Gun
(2) 700mm torpedo tubes
Combat Systems:
(1) MK 36 MOD 3 Super Rapid-Blooming Off-Board Chaff System
(1) AN/SPY-1B(V) Multi-Function Radar (CG59-73)
(1) AN/SPS-55 Surface Search Radar
(1) AN/SPS-64(V)9 Navigation Radar
(1) AN/SPQ-9 Gun Fire Control Radar
(4) AN/SPG-62 Illuminators
(1) AN/SQS-53C Hull Mounted SONAR
(1) AN/SLQ-32A(V)3 Electronic Warfare Suite
Price:
$750million

Do not make OOC comments about the design here, for OOC comments go to
the OOC Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=483074)

Due to Tombo-Bill's extensive program to build up, The empire wishes to buy 2 of these vessels. We will pay you in full and you will recieve the payment with no hesitation on our part. We wish to recieve these 2 vessels assembeled as soon as possible to defend our empire.

The National Treasury of Tombo-Bill will supply the payment of: $750 million x2

Your order is confirmed and your ships will be ready in less than 10 months.(NS time)

Excellent news Comrade, we may purchase more in the new future depending on the increase in budget.

Heil!
Office of Tombillian Affairs.

The dictatorship of martentopis shall also buy one of these engines of war, to defend our nation and oppress our people even further. The department of finance shall pay $750 million.

Thank you, Molihemm Tootor , minister of finance, Martentopis

Order confirmed. :)

OOC:
I hate to say it but putting your main guns on the very top of the super structure is a very bad idea. Your guns and thier mounting are just about the heaviest part of your vessel and you want them as close to the water line as possibile other wise your vessel is going to be very unstable and liable to capsize when you fire the guns from a broadside orientation, the quickest fix would be to swap the positions of the 14" and 5" mountings in your pic.

and that is why, below the water line we have this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/under.jpg
Also lets it turn faster
:D

So instead of palcing the main guns in the sensible place you put them way up in the sky for no apparent reason and then fit some spindly sub surface drag inducing outriggers in an attempt to counter act it.

Also either you have a stupidly long ammo elevator or your have your main magazine in the super structure, neither of which are good things.

So in summary you have a some what stable gun vessel when you could have had a superbly stable gun vessel.

Because by placing the gun turret down (on the deck) I would have to make the ship longer and add a rear gun in order to get 360 degrees of coverage. And the super structre is heavily armored as this is an "Armored" Gun Crusier.

This looks pretty cool, but before i buy it, are these things he is pointing out really gonna be a problem?

Your superstructure can't really be as well armoured as your main belt and making it so is just makes your stability problems worse as well as addign all sorts of interestign structural and mechanical stesses to your hull.
From your picture you would have plenty room for the main turret on the forward deck and would be able to get a good 270 degree arc of fire from it, which isn't really that much less than what you would get in its current position (your pic is little unclear, but i would assume that the main sensor mast isn't mounted directly on top of the turret but behind).

Also i note from your breif specs that you have a fairlt big radar set, which isn't going to work terribly well with a large calibre gun as a next door neighbour, you want big guns and big rdars as far away from each other as possible.

The mast is on top of the turret

Come on why should I put the guns on the deck ?
That would mak it look way too normal :eek:

If you put your guns on the deck then your ship will work

If you put them else where at best your ship will suffer from on going structural and maintaince issues and at worst will suffer major/catastrophic structural failure when you fire your guns.

There is reason that there is a "normal" look for ships, its because it works while other approachs don't

I disagree, with proper design from the ground up, almost any configuration can work. You could have two hulls wide apart with the guns hanging down from a middle support if you wanted.
Actually if you look at it from a certian angle it looks just like a normal battle ship gun mount, which has added support and armor and then a small bridge in front and slightly below it.

Oh you could but it would be horribly inefficent as your design would have to be.
lets put it this way, with the same weapons a "normal" or "conventional" design would be lighter (doesn't have to dedicate a large amount of mass to support the raised turret or provide quiet as much armour to the super structure, which would be smaller as it doesn't have to hold the magazine), more stable (and thus accurate) and have much better performing sensors and above all be much cheaper.

In short its like mecha versus tanks, mechs might look "cooler" to some people but a tank can do everything a mech can do both better and cheaper.

To counter the "threat from above" I'd rather go more than less on super -structure armor.

though you both have points, I would like to point out that noe benefit fot putting the gun on the foredeck would be mainly lowenting the profile and thus making the vessel much less prone to incoming fire

YOu know, if a Javelin hits the superstructure, either the ship is going to go up like a powder keg, or the guns will stop functioning, depending on where you put the magazine.

Please move to the ooC thread if you will not be making IC posts, thank you.

Hey, you just made an OOC post in your IC thread.
Maybe you should lead by example, and follow your own rules.