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GAPTS vs Axis Nova and friends OOC thread

Axis Nova
14-05-2006, 14:50
I want all OOC discussion confined to this thread-- none should be in the relevant threads itself. We'll use the war dec thread for dealing with events leading up to the war, and start a new one for the war itself.

Now, let's get a few things straightened out.

The tech level for this war is PMT. No higher. That means no photon torpedoes, no hand lasers, no shields, et cetera, et cetera.

My tech thread is here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=386733
)

I've MSpainted a crappy map and uploaded it for viewing here. (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c140/berrik/CrappymapofAN.jpg)

Now then, a few factors about Axis Nova that you'll need to take into consideration...

Axis Nova is on a rather secluded continent by itself that's known as the Imperial Graveyard. I'll spare you the history details for the moment to explain the terrain.

1. The place is remote. No one and nothing is close and it will take you some time to get everything mobilized and moving. Even the closest of you will take something like an NS week to sail there, and it's out of range of pretty much any land-based MT aircraft (barring truely superheavy bombers that have very long range).

2. Most of the continent is very inhospitable desert. There's almost no food and water, no human life, and very little plant and animal life, and certainly no roads or airstrips (except in a few places, which I will get to in a bit). This means you will need to bring all the supplies you need to supply your combined armies with you, and maintain a proper supply line after that. Water itself especially will be a huge problem, as only I (and my allies, who will have the information) know where the oasises and springs are. There are certainly no rivers or streams...

3. Axis Nova itself is located in a region completely surrounded by mountains in the center of the continent. Land invasion is not possible unless you wish to spend quite some time attempting to quarry yourself a pass. Getting into Axis Nova proper is not possible except by air, and my border defenses are configured specifically to deal with this kind of assault. In other words, don't expect to just be able to http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c140/berrik/Smileys/emot-killdozer.gif over me.

4. The only city outside the mountains and on the coast is Nuevo Dias; while it is a port city, it's also at the end of a bit of a fjord; the bottom there is not deep enought to allow capital and super-capital class ships to approach the city. (this is mostly due to nature and also a bit due to some work of my own). The city operates mostly as a neutral zone, and is jointly administered by myself and Sileetris; while it's defenses are formidable, it has little tactical or strategic significance. The airbase outside the city is another matter, of course...

5. I reserve the right to bring in as many or as few allies as I wish (shouldn't need that many). You guys can't really object at this point =p

6. My SDI system is incredibly redundant and complex-- I pump the amount of money most nations spend on strategic nuclear weapons into it. Bretton himself also maintains excellent anti-orbital capabilities. Don't expect to rely on satellites too much.

We should use this OOC thread to get any and all concerns about tech ironed out before things really start getting messy, as I don't want this to end up being another NS War II or Pythogria Invasion where half the participants end up ignoring or flaming each other.

Now then, I'm going to want a list of participants here. Talk amongst yourselves and present me a list, cause I'm not digging through a bazillion threads here. =p

GAPTS


Axis Nova and allied forces
Axis Nova
Bretton
Whyatica (naval assistance only)
Whyatica
14-05-2006, 15:29
I already discussed this with you, AN, and if you need Kraven assistance you'll have it.
Tarlag
14-05-2006, 15:32
I will say this in my opinion you are on the high end of PMT,I can see you having a problem with hand lasers and the like but some of the orbital stuff you should not have a problem with. A discussion on tec levels on both sides should happen before we really get going.
One thing I will say now is that no SDI is perfect some things will get through. Using them against sats is a lot easier. You SDI will most likely take out most of the GAPTS sats. Some of the more bizarre stuff that might be thrown at you it might have a problem with.
For general knowledge most of Tarlags tec is real world/modern tec except for some advanced artificial intelligence controlled equipment and some PMT gear mixed in.
Tarlag does have a fairly extensive SDI ( but no where near Axis Novas).
We also have a large space program ( about the same level NASA would of had if they kept going with the Apollo program.)
Axis Nova
14-05-2006, 19:21
I will say this in my opinion you are on the high end of PMT,I can see you having a problem with hand lasers and the like but some of the orbital stuff you should not have a problem with. A discussion on tec levels on both sides should happen before we really get going.
One thing I will say now is that no SDI is perfect some things will get through. Using them against sats is a lot easier. You SDI will most likely take out most of the GAPTS sats. Some of the more bizarre stuff that might be thrown at you it might have a problem with.
For general knowledge most of Tarlags tec is real world/modern tec except for some advanced artificial intelligence controlled equipment and some PMT gear mixed in.
Tarlag does have a fairly extensive SDI ( but no where near Axis Novas).
We also have a large space program ( about the same level NASA would of had if they kept going with the Apollo program.)

My SDI is designed specifically to provide an almost invincible shield against any sort of ICBM or sub-orbital device (or some such) used to attack my nation. You won't be able to crack it with just three SSGNs worth of missiles, I intended it to resist the nuke arsenals of the likes of AMF and Kahta and Communist Mississippi combined ;p

(due to how the frag bombs work, sending mass numbers of missiles actually makes things harder, since they'll bunch up and be even more vunerable to the orbital-speed debris that the frag bombs spread)
Tarlag
14-05-2006, 21:13
My SDI is designed specifically to provide an almost invincible shield against any sort of ICBM or sub-orbital device (or some such) used to attack my nation. You won't be able to crack it with just three SSGNs worth of missiles, I intended it to resist the nuke arsenals of the likes of AMF and Kahta and Communist Mississippi combined ;p

(due to how the frag bombs work, sending mass numbers of missiles actually makes things harder, since they'll bunch up and be even more vunerable to the orbital-speed debris that the frag bombs spread)

Was not trying to crack it with 12 missiles but your defenses seem a little to invincible for a PTM setting. Not so much you weapons but your response time and continental set up.
What is your population considering your habitable land area?
What is your navies strength considering you have one port deep in a fjord.
how about your air force? (considering you are so far from everyone else on the planet).
I am just curious on this.
Axis Nova
14-05-2006, 21:52
Was not trying to crack it with 12 missiles but your defenses seem a little to invincible for a PTM setting. Not so much you weapons but your response time and continental set up.
What is your population considering your habitable land area?
What is your navies strength considering you have one port deep in a fjord.
how about your air force? (considering you are so far from everyone else on the planet).
I am just curious on this.

My air force and navy are one; I use the airships listed in my tech profile to serve both functions in one (with assorted UAVs for support). Population is as on my NS page; a large portion lives in arcologies that stretch high into the air and below ground.

Also, my SDI system is so formidable because frag bombs (which make up a majority of it) are EXTREMELY simple to manufacture. Make a case, make some explosives, pack ball bearings around the explosives, kick out the airlock . They're so easy to make and so cheap that I can just riddle Earth orbit with the suckers.
Bretton
14-05-2006, 22:02
I suggest all parties involved carefully review my NSWiki entry. You will be better from it.

I'm in the midst of adding more notable things, so check often.
Axis Nova
14-05-2006, 22:44
I've been after Bretton to write me an NSwiki article as good as his, but he won't do it until he's satisfied with his, and since he's constantly fiddling with it...



;.;
Xeraph
15-05-2006, 00:17
I want all OOC discussion confined to this thread-- none should be in the relevant threads itself. We'll use the war dec thread for dealing with events leading up to the war, and start a new one for the war itself.

Now, let's get a few things straightened out.

The tech level for this war is PMT. No higher. That means no photon torpedoes, no hand lasers, no shields, et cetera, et cetera.

My tech thread is here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=386733
)

I've MSpainted a crappy map and uploaded it for viewing here. (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c140/berrik/CrappymapofAN.jpg)

Now then, a few factors about Axis Nova that you'll need to take into consideration...

Axis Nova is on a rather secluded continent by itself that's known as the Imperial Graveyard. I'll spare you the history details for the moment to explain the terrain.

1. The place is remote. No one and nothing is close and it will take you some time to get everything mobilized and moving. Even the closest of you will take something like an NS week to sail there, and it's out of range of pretty much any land-based MT aircraft (barring truely superheavy bombers that have very long range).

2. Most of the continent is very inhospitable desert. There's almost no food and water, no human life, and very little plant and animal life, and certainly no roads or airstrips (except in a few places, which I will get to in a bit). This means you will need to bring all the supplies you need to supply your combined armies with you, and maintain a proper supply line after that. Water itself especially will be a huge problem, as only I (and my allies, who will have the information) know where the oasises and springs are. There are certainly no rivers or streams...

3. Axis Nova itself is located in a region completely surrounded by mountains in the center of the continent. Land invasion is not possible unless you wish to spend quite some time attempting to quarry yourself a pass. Getting into Axis Nova proper is not possible except by air, and my border defenses are configured specifically to deal with this kind of assault. In other words, don't expect to just be able to http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c140/berrik/Smileys/emot-killdozer.gif over me.

4. The only city outside the mountains and on the coast is Nuevo Dias; while it is a port city, it's also at the end of a bit of a fjord; the bottom there is not deep enought to allow capital and super-capital class ships to approach the city. (this is mostly due to nature and also a bit due to some work of my own). The city operates mostly as a neutral zone, and is jointly administered by myself and Sileetris; while it's defenses are formidable, it has little tactical or strategic significance. The airbase outside the city is another matter, of course...

5. I reserve the right to bring in as many or as few allies as I wish (shouldn't need that many). You guys can't really object at this point =p

6. My SDI system is incredibly redundant and complex-- I pump the amount of money most nations spend on strategic nuclear weapons into it. Bretton himself also maintains excellent anti-orbital capabilities. Don't expect to rely on satellites too much.

We should use this OOC thread to get any and all concerns about tech ironed out before things really start getting messy, as I don't want this to end up being another NS War II or Pythogria Invasion where half the participants end up ignoring or flaming each other.

Now then, I'm going to want a list of participants here. Talk amongst yourselves and present me a list, cause I'm not digging through a bazillion threads here. =p

GAPTS


Axis Nova and allied forces
Axis Nova
Bretton
Whyatica (naval assistance only)


GAPTS nations that have already committed forces:
Auralinia
Findan
Newtdom
Grey Legions
Dark Visions/Mandalore Prime
Black Katanas
Black Shadows
NYC
Tarlag
Grey Phoenix
United Earthlings
Vhammpyr
Xeraph

There may be others who join in later.

Non-GAPTS Allies
Xirnium
Resurrecitas
Circassya
Cyrenaicya
Barbaranossa
Axis Nova
15-05-2006, 01:31
Scratch any FT nations off that list, please. Also, GAPTS only. I'll get around to dealing with Xirnium and company presently.

Also, no puppets allowed!
Xeraph
15-05-2006, 01:43
Scratch any FT nations off that list, please. Also, GAPTS only. I'll get around to dealing with Xirnium and company presently.

Also, no puppets allowed!


If the nations on the list who have FT are scratched, then we might just as well end this right now. You already stated that no FT is to be used, so leave it at that.
Axis Nova
15-05-2006, 01:59
Xeraph, you can leave your puppets Auralinia, Black Shadows, Vhammpyr, Resurrecitas, Circassya, Cyrenaicya and Barbaranossa at hime.


Black Katanas and Grey Phoenix do not exist.

Dark Visions OR Mandalore Prime. Not both.

NYC has been dead almost 3 years. =p

I shall henceforth be referring to GAPTS as "just another Whittier pact". Remove your puppets and try again, please.

Don't bother denying it; I had a mod check.
Xeraph
15-05-2006, 02:16
Xeraph, you can leave your puppets Auralinia, Black Shadows, Vhammpyr, Resurrecitas, Circassya, Cyrenaicya and Barbaranossa at hime.


Black Katanas and Grey Phoenix do not exist.

Dark Visions OR Mandalore Prime. Not both.

NYC has been dead almost 3 years. =p

I shall henceforth be referring to GAPTS as "just another Whittier pact". Remove your puppets and try again, please.

Don't bother denying it; I had a mod check.


You did, did you? Well, then the mod is just as wrong as you are. Try The Black Katanas, The Grey Phoenix, and N Y C is very much alive. Take it up with DV/MP, not me.

As stated, the only "puppet" I have are the White-Robed Monks. If your'e going to contine in this highly anal fashion, then consider Xeraph removed from the thread.
GMC Military Arms
15-05-2006, 02:22
As stated, the only "puppet" I have are the White-Robed Monks.

Ah, all the others just [i]happen to have the same email address, which just happens to begin 'xeraph?'
The Phoenix Milita
15-05-2006, 02:24
I have moved my post from the IC thread to here...

ooc: while I do see your point, it has never been an issue before. While Xeraph is a single nation, it's also an Empire. All of the nations in my region have interchangeable militaries, and so with a combined pop of over 20 billion, believe me, the cash is there. If it'll make you happy, let's say I spend 35% of the total Empire's income on military. It's a bit more complicated than that (all manufacturing is done off-world by AI tech and the Empire's food is "contributed" by nations that I protect). Xeraph itself is primarily a diplomatic/military nation: no factories, little food production, no highways, not much of a financial infrastructure. All necessities for civilian and military are provided by the state. This is accomplished by numerous trade agreements with allies.

And don't worry about WMD. I've never used them in a first-strike scenario either.
http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Wank#Puppet_Wank


"All of the nations in my region have interchangeable militaries, and so with a combined pop of over 20 billion, believe me, the cash is there. "

Still puppet wanking, you should have them rp as allies other wise its basically just combining armies of puppet states...
Xeraph
15-05-2006, 02:31
Ah, all the others just [i]happen to have the same email address, which just happens to begin 'xeraph?'


As a matter of fact, yes. My brothers and my sister and I use that address exclusively for NS. If anyone has a problem with that, sorry. Those "other nations" may be puppets of "other nations", but they are not puppets of Xeraph.
And may I ask what the big deal with puppets is all of a sudden? There are hundreds, if not thousands, of nations on NS who have a number of puppets. If it's a matter of AN feeling that he can't win a war against a number of large nations, then I understand. Otherwise, it's just sounds like a lot of whining to me.
Axis Nova
15-05-2006, 02:32
I apologize for telling you to take a flying leap, PM. I don't like you, but when you're right, you're right =p

edit: Xeraph, it's considered very bad form to use puppets to give yourself an advantage in a war RP.
GMC Military Arms
15-05-2006, 02:38
And may I ask what the big deal with puppets is all of a sudden? There are hundreds, if not thousands, of nations on NS who have a number of puppets. If it's a matter of AN feeling that he can't win a war against a number of large nations, then I understand. Otherwise, it's just sounds like a lot of whining to me.

Undeclared puppets are bad in RP because they give one player an unfair advantage which the other player may not want, and also depending on how good the RPer in question is can turn out as 'me too! I join too!' It's dishonest to go into a war RP without stating exactly how many accounts are yours; for example, If I went to war with someone as GMC and Grafton's Isle [or Eurusea, Beringholm and Hammondsburg] I would point out all two / three are mine rather than leaving them to guess.

The definition of puppet-wank is using puppets without telling the other player that's what you're doing, not just using puppets.
Xeraph
15-05-2006, 02:44
I apologize for telling you to take a flying leap, PM. I don't like you, but when you're right, you're right =p

edit: Xeraph, it's considered very bad form to use puppets to give yourself an advantage in a war RP.


It could be considered equally bad form to continue accusing someone of a breach of the rules when the accused has explained the circumstances.

However, let's say, just for the sake of the conversation, that the countries you accuse of being my puppets ARE my puppets, and I was forced to withdraw them ( which 'aint gonna happen because they AREN'T my puppets ), do you really think that that would make the outcome of the war any different? Remove a half-dozen 2-3 billion pop nations, and there's still the other nations of GAPTS. I know that numbers mean nothing next to skill in writing, tactics, and experience. But the numbers ARE a factor.

Anyway, if you want those "puppets" removed from the thread, your'e going to have to address each individual nation/player.
Xeraph
15-05-2006, 02:46
Undeclared puppets are bad in RP because they give one player an unfair advantage which the other player may not want, and also depending on how good the RPer in question is can turn out as 'me too! I join too!' It's dishonest to go into a war RP without stating exactly how many accounts are yours; for example, If I went to war with someone as GMC and Grafton's Isle [or Eurusea, Beringholm and Hammondsburg] I would point out all two / three are mine rather than leaving them to guess.

The definition of puppet-wank is using puppets without telling the other player that's what you're doing, not just using puppets.


I understand the definition. I reiterate that I don't have any "puppet" involved inthis war. If I did, I'd say so.
Axis Nova
15-05-2006, 02:47
I understand the definition. I reiterate that I don't have any "puppet" involved inthis war. If I did, I'd say so.

Regardless, I have no way to determine if you're telling the truth or not, so if you want to participate in this, you're going to have to pick ONE nation out of those GMC listed and the others are staying on the sidelines.
GMC Military Arms
15-05-2006, 02:49
Anyway, if you want those "puppets" removed from the thread, your'e going to have to address each individual nation/player.

Ten of them are your accounts, they are registered to the same email, have many other details in common and if they are not yours they are still within your ability to access and therefore might as well be. Axis is not required to 'address' anyone, since he is not required to accept anything he doesn't want to at all. This is FFRP, after all.
Xeraph
15-05-2006, 02:51
Regardless, I have no way to determine if you're telling the truth or not, so if you want to participate in this, you're going to have to pick ONE nation out of those GMC listed and the others are staying on the sidelines.


I repeat, the only nation that I have in this thread is Xeraph. If you want the others to sit it out,then you have to take it up w/them and the mods. I cannot speak for them.
BTW, they are sitting right here w/me, at Mom's, reading these absurd proceedings as they unfold. Which one would you like to talk with?
The Phoenix Milita
15-05-2006, 02:53
I repeat, the only nation that I have in this thread is Xeraph. If you want the others to sit it out,then you have to take it up w/them and the mods. I cannot speak for them.
BTW, they are sitting right here w/me, at Mom's, reading these absurd proceedings as they unfold. Which one would you like to talk with?
If that is the case maybe you should retract the statement on the main thread
"All of the nations in my region have interchangeable militaries, and so with a combined pop of over 20 billion, believe me, the cash is there. "
Xeraph
15-05-2006, 02:57
If that is the case maybe you should retract the statement on the main thread
"All of the nations in my region have interchangeable militaries, and so with a combined pop of over 20 billion, believe me, the cash is there. "


I also stated that Xeraph is an Empire as well as an individual nation. If the member-nations of the Xeraphian Empire wish to interact on Imperial levels, why shouldn't they?

Look, I'm not trying to do anything underhanded here. It's a frigging game for crying out loud. It's not a matter of life and death. Just a little fun and creativity. Lighten up.
Axis Nova
15-05-2006, 03:09
I also stated that Xeraph is an Empire as well as an individual nation. If the member-nations of the Xeraphian Empire wish to interact on Imperial levels, why shouldn't they?


Because they're all you and not individual nations?


Look, I'm not trying to do anything underhanded here.


yes you are


It's a frigging game for crying out loud. It's not a matter of life and death. Just a little fun and creativity. Lighten up.

Puppet wanking isn't particularly creative.
Xeraph
15-05-2006, 03:18
Because they're all you and not individual nations?



yes you are



Puppet wanking isn't particularly creative.


And, in your opinion, why would I (Xeraph) need to use multiple puppets? As I said, there are plenty of other (GAPTS) nations that would ally with me in a war. Which is aside from the fact that Xeraph has been around almost as long as Bretton, and a little longer than AN. If I needed help, I sure as hell wouldn't need THAT much.

If you want to win the war this way, fine. Neither Xeraph nor the other nations accused of being my puppets are standing down. Actually, I can't speak for either Vhammpyr or the Black Katanas, as they are not here.

You can go before the NS world w/your accusations if you want. Makes no difference to us. You'll look like a fool, but that's your problem.
Axis Nova
15-05-2006, 03:38
Xeraph, pick one nation to RP with and stop grandstanding or get lost. You're no Whittier.
Xeraph
15-05-2006, 03:42
Xeraph, pick one nation to RP with and stop grandstanding or get lost. You're no Whittier.

And your'e no Guffingford. Consider Xeraph withdrawn from the thread. I'll ask a mod to close it down.
Axis Nova
15-05-2006, 03:56
And your'e no Guffingford. Consider Xeraph withdrawn from the thread. I'll ask a mod to close it down.

You (and your puppets) arn't all of GAPTS. I meant what I said in the IC thread.
Xeraph
15-05-2006, 04:01
You (and your puppets) arn't all of GAPTS. I meant what I said in the IC thread.


1...refresh my memory about the IC post

2...true, I do not speak for GAPTS. But don't be surprised if the whole thing collapses...
Auralinia
15-05-2006, 04:29
The nation of Auralinia is no longer part of the thread concerning Axis Nova, Bretton,and GAPTS. Axis Nova's apparent paranoia is the cause of my withdrawal.
Tarlag
15-05-2006, 05:07
I am with drawing from this thread for the following facts
1) Axis Nova is taking his accusations against Xeraph WAY beyond Gentlemanly game play. I have seen the writing style of the different "puppets" and they are different. Read some of the different posts before you start accusing people of such things.
2) Your entire set up borderlines of God modeing plane and simple.
3) you have taken the fun out of the game for a number of players with these accusations.
Bretton
15-05-2006, 07:07
From my perspective, Axis Nova is in the right here. Having access to a number of large nations may as well constitute puppets, even if you aren't using them personally. It's bad form and generally tacky. RP with your nation and your nation alone. If you have allies, they should RP themselves.
The Phoenix Milita
15-05-2006, 07:13
From my perspective, Axis Nova is in the right here. Having access to a number of large nations may as well constitute puppets, even if you aren't using them personally. It's bad form and generally tacky. RP with your nation and your nation alone. If you have allies, they should RP themselves.
Exactly my feeling...
Axis Nova
15-05-2006, 14:17
Let me make this clear to you, in small little words, Xeraph, so that you can get it.

I will not allow you to puppet wank in a war with me. GMC has said that your nations are puppets; I believe him over you. I am not being paranoid when a mod says that they're puppets.

I can't help wondering how many threads I'd find where more than one of your puppets has posted in if I namesearched them. Probably quite a few.

Now, if you'd actually like to RP here, instead of LYING to my face, then let's get on with it.

And Tarlag, if you want to talk about being a gentleman, it's not very gentlemanly to wank ten puppets all over someone.
Fourhearts
15-05-2006, 15:50
Sorry for my absense. I've been moving, but should be back now.

Let's see. I think it's only fair that each player have one nation. If the Mods, being the great neutral people that they are, say that you're puppet-wanking, then you're puppet wanking. One nation per player. Done.

Axis Nova: Can I go ahead and announce to various allies that I've tracked the Kraven Transmission to Axis Nova or do I still need to RP that? I'd like to go ahead and get going with it.
Axis Nova
15-05-2006, 16:45
Sorry for my absense. I've been moving, but should be back now.

Let's see. I think it's only fair that each player have one nation. If the Mods, being the great neutral people that they are, say that you're puppet-wanking, then you're puppet wanking. One nation per player. Done.

Axis Nova: Can I go ahead and announce to various allies that I've tracked the Kraven Transmission to Axis Nova or do I still need to RP that? I'd like to go ahead and get going with it.

Sure, I just want to get something going here. Sitting here waiting for AMF to finish with others is making me bored XP

Edit: Can you get on MSN?
Xeraph
15-05-2006, 20:18
Let me make this clear to you, in small little words, Xeraph, so that you can get it.

I will not allow you to puppet wank in a war with me. GMC has said that your nations are puppets; I believe him over you. I am not being paranoid when a mod says that they're puppets.

I can't help wondering how many threads I'd find where more than one of your puppets has posted in if I namesearched them. Probably quite a few.

Now, if you'd actually like to RP here, instead of LYING to my face, then let's get on with it.

And Tarlag, if you want to talk about being a gentleman, it's not very gentlemanly to wank ten puppets all over someone.


One last response: For the last time, I have but one puppet. I fully explained to the mod and everyone else the situation with the other nations in my region. You, and anyone else, can believe it or not. And to accuse someone of lying is lower than low.
From this point on, Axis Nova and anyone who would ally themselves with such a delusional paranoid can considered themselves IGNORED by Xeraph. You don't exist as far as I'm concerned.

And Fourhearts, I'm surprised at you. You know better. Remember the B&G Imperium Wars? When my supposed "puppets" fought against each other?
Bretton
15-05-2006, 20:55
You're surprised he rejects your ideals of puppetry? I don't see how that makes sense.
Xeraph
15-05-2006, 21:00
You're surprised he rejects your ideals of puppetry? I don't see how that makes sense.


It makes complete sense if you were familiar with the Imperium Wars, where some of my supposed "puppets" rebelled against the Empire.
Bretton
15-05-2006, 21:01
I'm sure it makes perfect sense when puppeteering is your game plan.
Vhammpyr
15-05-2006, 21:16
Damn! I leave for a couple of days and all hell breaks loose. OK, whether anyone believes it or not, I am an independant nation. I'm not a puppet of anyone. I'm a guy who works with Xeraph. I'm not on very often, but when I am it's plain to see that I write differently than him. I don't know what exactly Novas problem is, but if he were as knowledgeable about xeraph as he says he is, he would know that there were 2 threads where several of the nations who Nova says are Xeraphs puppets rebelled against Xeraph. If anyone wants to know about those threads, I'll give you the info. Xeraph may be a bit of a lunatic at times, but why would he rebell against himself? ANybody ever think of that? So I guess my playing in this thread is over. Thanks Nova for screwing it all up.
Black Shadows
15-05-2006, 22:15
Damn! I leave for a couple of days and all hell breaks loose. OK, whether anyone believes it or not, I am an independant nation. I'm not a puppet of anyone. I'm a guy who works with Xeraph. I'm not on very often, but when I am it's plain to see that I write differently than him. I don't know what exactly Novas problem is, but if he were as knowledgeable about xeraph as he says he is, he would know that there were 2 threads where several of the nations who Nova says are Xeraphs puppets rebelled against Xeraph. If anyone wants to know about those threads, I'll give you the info. Xeraph may be a bit of a lunatic at times, but why would he rebell against himself? ANybody ever think of that? So I guess my playing in this thread is over. Thanks Nova for screwing it all up.


Yeah, thanks Nova for thoroughly screwing up what would have been one hell of a fight.
Axis Nova
15-05-2006, 22:52
Damn! I leave for a couple of days and all hell breaks loose. OK, whether anyone believes it or not, I am an independant nation. I'm not a puppet of anyone. I'm a guy who works with Xeraph. I'm not on very often, but when I am it's plain to see that I write differently than him. I don't know what exactly Novas problem is, but if he were as knowledgeable about xeraph as he says he is, he would know that there were 2 threads where several of the nations who Nova says are Xeraphs puppets rebelled against Xeraph. If anyone wants to know about those threads, I'll give you the info. Xeraph may be a bit of a lunatic at times, but why would he rebell against himself? ANybody ever think of that? So I guess my playing in this thread is over. Thanks Nova for screwing it all up.

Whatever, Xeraph.
Bretton
16-05-2006, 04:44
Damn! I leave for a couple of days and all hell breaks loose. OK, whether anyone believes it or not, I am an independant nation. I'm not a puppet of anyone. I'm a guy who works with Xeraph. I'm not on very often, but when I am it's plain to see that I write differently than him. I don't know what exactly Novas problem is, but if he were as knowledgeable about xeraph as he says he is, he would know that there were 2 threads where several of the nations who Nova says are Xeraphs puppets rebelled against Xeraph. If anyone wants to know about those threads, I'll give you the info. Xeraph may be a bit of a lunatic at times, but why would he rebell against himself? ANybody ever think of that? So I guess my playing in this thread is over. Thanks Nova for screwing it all up.

Yeah, thanks Nova for thoroughly screwing up what would have been one hell of a fight.

Xeraph, this doesn't make you look any better. We're not stupid, as you seem to believe.
Spiritu Sante
16-05-2006, 04:56
OOC:I'd love to be a part of this. Register me as Sparta Infensus, as that's my main account. I'll be RP'ing on this one temprorarily, though lastly register as any team you wish. Axis or GAPTS
Tarlag
16-05-2006, 04:59
OOC:I'd love to be a part of this. Register me as Sparta Infensus, as that's my main account. I'll be RP'ing on this one temprorarily, though lastly register as any team you wish. Axis or GAPTS

You may want to stear clear of this. It has turned into a massive pissing contest with no game play.
Bretton
16-05-2006, 05:06
You may want to stear clear of this. It has turned into a massive pissing contest with no game play.

The way you talk it's as though you didn't march out of it as well once Xeraph's puppeteering was exposed.
Tarlag
16-05-2006, 05:12
I am not the one calling people names. I personally do not believe that They are all puppet nations. I also do not believe Axis Nova is a lire. Plain and simple a matter that should of been handled between players in a few e-mail exchanges has turned into a pissing contest. I left because of that.
Whyatica
16-05-2006, 05:15
I don't believe he's a liar either.

/shameless snipe at spelling
Bretton
16-05-2006, 05:22
I tend to believe that GMC isn't a liar either.