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T-7 Centaur Fast Tank
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The T-7 Centaur is an all new 2 man Fast Tank designed to dart ahead of armored divisions in support of cavalry scouts or to be used in conjucion with IFV's in assaults. The gunner/commander lays in a comfortable prone positon on top of the gun and peers out through the 3D periscope/video system. He operates all of the weapons and gives orders to the driver via microphone. It features High tech light Carbon/ Ceramic Composite armor giving it the survivabilty of a 70's era tank with 1/2 the wieght, although this is by no means an MBT, it is more of a light recon tank/escort, it can still hold its own in battle.
Specifications
Weight: CLASSIFIED
Power Plant: CLASSIFIED
Maximum Speed: 65mph (governed)
Crew: (2) gunner/commander, driver
Weapons
(1) 128mm Auto-Loading Smoothbore Stablized Cannon
(1) 11mm MG-109 Machine Gun
(3) AGM-118 Hellfire III Anti-Tank Missiles
Electronics
360 degree Enhanced resolution video cameras w/ nightvision + FLIR systems
Gun sight w/ 6-100X optical zoom in turret
3D digital video array arround turret
UHF, VHF, Direct Microwave, Laser and SATCOM communications systems
GPS reciever
Price
$2.7million

improved

The Imperim is interested in getting production rights, how much?

Ill take 10 for a total of 27 mil. Tell me when this is confirmed

bump:mp5:

Umm, the armor for this tank must be spectacularly low. With a 128mm gun you're looking at no less than 55 tons - given the drop in weight due to the autoloader. But you mount three Hellfire missiles, which will increase weight to over 60 tons. Given NS armors you're looking at something over 60 tons, sorry. And at that weight you're going to need a much larger engine or you're going to have an overtaxed transmission and a very short life span - you're looking at at least 1,500 horsepower, and better yet something around 1,800 horsepower once you get a believable weight for this vehicle. In other words, this is definately not a fast tank...

Orders confirmed.

Dracun imperium, 1,350,000,000

Super Duper engines are very good, 1,000hp may even be too much for 65mph.
And the armor is light, although you might say its just a little less than a T-80 which wieghs 46 tons.. alot of the wieght is the ammo -_-

Orders confirmed.

Dracun imperium, 1,350,000,000

Super Duper engines are very good, 1,000hp may even be too much for 65mph.
And the armor is light, although you might say its just a little less than a T-80 which wieghs 46 tons.. alot of the wieght is the ammo -_-

Umm... no, it weighs 44.5 metric tons, or tonnes, which is ~50 tons. You also mount a larger maingun, and three external missile launchers, which in themselves are a very, very, very bad idea. Normally anti-tank guided missiles are stored inside the turret - at least in the turret bustle. External launchers are just very, very prone to combustion...which is consequently bad for the tank for obvious reasons. So, you have a larger gun and three external missile launchers - you are looking at at least 55 tonnes unless, as said before, you have some rediculously low armor values - which given the amount of explosives packed densely in this tank is not a very good idea.

And sorry, super duper engines are nothing more than bullshit. You are certainly not gaining any respect points as a designer by claiming something as such. You understand what horsepower is right? A better engine would have the capability of producing more horsepower per size. Horsepower is a unit of measurement...so if you have one thousand horsepower output it means that one thousand horsepower worth of energy is being put into the systems of your tank. You are going to need at least 1,500 horsepower to get an effective tank without a rediculously low range, an overtaxed transmission and horrible maintenance problems.

That tank is not going to go 65 mph. Try more like in the low 40's. You use the T-80 as a sample- well the T-80 armour is not as good as a western MBT- most of its armour being ERA, good against a Heat round- but against a DUP round it doesn't stand a chance.

The orginal T-80 weighs in at around 41.83 tons with a 1,100 hp gas turbine. The newer version weights in at 46 tons and has a 1,250 hp gas turbine. But still its max speed is only 70 km/h or 43 mph.

See for your self. http://www.army-technology.com/projects/t80/specs.html

Other sites will say the same thing. Other then that- A fast light tank. as you said, its a good design. BTW, you be better off having 3 crew members- having the commander also be the gunner is going to work him to death thereby decrease combat effiicency.

if what they are saying is true I want my money back!!

if what they are saying is true I want my money back!!
It's not true they are just jealous
I am aware of the specs of the T-80 and looked at it while I desgined this, the T-80 is also several times LARGER than this T-7.
The T-7 is a supercharged scout tank with a powerglide 2 speed drag racing transmission and back up nitrous oxide and it doesn't need long range.
and the external missile launchers act as a small section of ERA in the event of the rare explosion, and all the panels on that saide will blow outwards if it is hit.

That tank is not going to go 65 mph. Try more like in the low 40's. You use the T-80 as a sample- well the T-80 armour is not as good as a western MBT- most of its armour being ERA, good against a Heat round- but against a DUP round it doesn't stand a chance.

Admittedly, IIRC the ERA mounted on the T-80 is backed by a rear plate of thick steel which the round still has to penetrate after being affected by the explosive reactive armor and around three thin steel plates enducing yaw and such. The turret of the T-80 doesn't have much ERA, IIRC, but instead is mounted with Conrundum armor and steltexolite. Here are detailed armored estimates on the T-80B and T-80BV, all against KE.

T-80B
230mm @ Lower hull
480mm @ Glacis
70-120mm @ Front 1/3 Side Hull
410mm @ Front side turret/side turret
290-320mm @ Upper front turret
110-140mm @ Rear turret
60mm @ Rear hull
70-120mm @ Side hull
470mm @ Mantlet
370mm @ Weakened zone
440-480mm @ Front turret corners
260mm @ side turret

T-80BV
230mm @ Lower hull
500-540mm @ Glacis
90-120mm @ Front 1/3 Side Hull
410mm @ Front side turret/side turret
350-390mm @ Upper front turret
110-140mm @ Rear turret
60mm @ Rear hull
70-120mm @ Side hull
490-530mm @ Mantlet
390-430mm @ Weakened zone
440-480mm @ Front turret corners
260mm @ side turret


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For comparison this is that compared to the M1A2 SEP

590-650mm @ Lower hull
560-590mm @ Glacis
160mm @ Front 1/3 Side Hull
350mm @ Front side turret/side turret
n/a @ Upper front turret
90mm @ Rear turret
100mm @ Rear hull
90mm @ Side hull
950mm @ Mantlet
960mm @ Weakened zone
940mm @ Front turret corners
350mm @ side turret


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I'll get a more specific image of a description of the T-80 once I scan it in.

I believe you because of your reputation but one question, what can of shots can this thing take??

It's not true they are just jealous
I am aware of the specs of the T-80 and looked at it while I desgined this, the T-80 is also several times LARGER than this T-7. It's a supercharged scout tank with a powerglide 2 speed drag racing transmission and back up nitrous oxide and it doesn't need long range.


Riiiight. You need to understand what horsepower is before you design tanks.

Nitrous Oxide...on a tank? Now, I'm no tank designer, but isn't that just asking for a single spark to create a tank-sized fireball? Wouldn't it rip off the treads as well?

I believe you because of your reputation but one question, what can of shots can this thing take??

How about you take this as reputation... http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=478771

wow!!!!

It's not true they are just jealous
I am aware of the specs of the T-80 and looked at it while I desgined this, the T-80 is also several times LARGER than this T-7.
The T-7 is a supercharged scout tank with a powerglide 2 speed drag racing transmission and back up nitrous oxide and it doesn't need long range.
and the external missile launchers act as a small section of ERA in the event of the rare explosion, and all the panels on that saide will blow outwards if it is hit.

Ok, then what are its length, width, height, power to weight ratio so on. You left out a lot of information.

Here are those two sheets I promised on the T-80:

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7521/t80b1vk.png

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/8937/t80u0ht.png

Please stop spamming my thread with OOC crap, if you don't like it you don't have to buy it. I'm going to ask you to delete your spam posts on the T-80, please and your advertisement.

Kudo Slavia it can take 25mm machine gun an RPG strikes with ease and can survive glancing blows from 105mm cannons.

thnks

Ok, then what are its length, width, height, power to weight ratio so on. You left out a lot of information.
none of your business

i almost never include those values so shh

and the external missile launchers act as a small section of ERA in the event of the rare explosion, and all the panels on that saide will blow outwards if it is hit.

You need to understand how explosive reactive armor works. It's not the explosive within itself that acts as the armor, it's the fact that the explosive is launching a steel plate at the projectile and/or HEAT jet that creates the resistance. Admittedly, it's been found that a moving front plate offers less resistance than a fixed front plate, but a rear moving backplate will work better than a fixed backplate. Kontakt-5 actually has three inner thin steel plates that are foward moving when the explosive reactive armor acts, so that there are at least three plates enducing yaw on the round.

Please stop spamming my thread with OOC crap, if you don't like it you don't have to buy it. I'm going to ask you to delete your spam posts on the T-80, please and your advertisement.

Kudo Slavia it can take 25mm machine gun an RPG strikes with ease and can survive glancing blows from 105mm cannons.


IIRC, by posting on NS you open yourself to critique. I didn't want to advertise, I wanted to enforce that I know what I'm talking about.

Admittedly, IIRC the ERA mounted on the T-80 is backed by a rear plate of thick steel which the round still has to penetrate after being affected by the explosive reactive armor and around three thin steel plates enducing yaw and such. The turret of the T-80 doesn't have much ERA, IIRC, but instead is mounted with Conrundum armor and steltexolite. Here are detailed armored estimates on the T-80B and T-80BV, all against KE.

T-80B
230mm @ Lower hull
480mm @ Glacis
70-120mm @ Front 1/3 Side Hull
410mm @ Front side turret/side turret
290-320mm @ Upper front turret
110-140mm @ Rear turret
60mm @ Rear hull
70-120mm @ Side hull
470mm @ Mantlet
370mm @ Weakened zone
440-480mm @ Front turret corners
260mm @ side turret

T-80BV
230mm @ Lower hull
500-540mm @ Glacis
90-120mm @ Front 1/3 Side Hull
410mm @ Front side turret/side turret
350-390mm @ Upper front turret
110-140mm @ Rear turret
60mm @ Rear hull
70-120mm @ Side hull
490-530mm @ Mantlet
390-430mm @ Weakened zone
440-480mm @ Front turret corners
260mm @ side turret


~~~~

For comparison this is that compared to the M1A2 SEP

590-650mm @ Lower hull
560-590mm @ Glacis
160mm @ Front 1/3 Side Hull
350mm @ Front side turret/side turret
n/a @ Upper front turret
90mm @ Rear turret
100mm @ Rear hull
90mm @ Side hull
950mm @ Mantlet
960mm @ Weakened zone
940mm @ Front turret corners
350mm @ side turret


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I'll get a more specific image of a description of the T-80 once I scan it in.

If you don't mind me asking, but where did you find that information? I've been looking for the Armor Specs of those tanks and others for quite awhile. Thanks.

Then you dont mind if I go to all of your tank threads and advertise mine?

Then you dont mind if I go to all of your tank threads and advertise mine?
Those are RL tanks and Mac doesn't sell them anyway...

Then you dont mind if I go to all of your tank threads and advertise mine?


Ummm, if you had something justifiable to complain about in my tank and you wanted to assert the fact that you knew what you were talking about, no I wouldn't mind. By all means, if you have something to say in my thread, say it. And, no offense, but I don't think people would buy your tank over mine.... at least if they could easily compare the two.

It's not advertisement, it's pointing out just how many things are wrong with your tank design. There's no point in acting like a jackass about it.

If you don't mind me asking, but where did you find that information? I've been looking for the Armor Specs of those tanks and others for quite awhile. Thanks.

I'll upload it to my server and TG you the link.

I'd advertise my MBT, not this one, please get rid of your T-80 spam in here... it really has nothing to do with my tnak

none of your business

i almost never include those values so shh

None of my business? I would think it is my business, as those are some of the most important specs on a vehicle. For all I know it could 20 feet tall and only 6 feet apart. If I was to buy this tank I would dam sure want to get all the information I can before making a buy, but I guess realism is not important too you or custom service. Maybe you should think about from on including those values.

I'd advertise my MBT, not this one, please get rid of your T-80 spam in here... it really has nothing to do with my tnak

It has a lot to do with your tank. You're comparing weights...so I gave you an in depth look at the T-80.

Ok I think he got the point

I'll upload it to my server and TG you the link.
Ok, thanks. Would still really like to know where you find the orginal informaton. From a book, an online site so on.

None of my business? I would think it is my business, as those are some of the most important specs on a vehicle. For all I know it could 20 feet tall and only 6 feet apart. If I was to buy this tank I would dam sure want to get all the information I can before making a buy, but I guess realism is not important too you or custom service. Maybe you should think about from on including those values.
You can get the idea from the picture I made and remeber theres a guy laying on top of the gun and onther sitting in the front. Picture's worth 1,000 words.

I've changed the stats, nothing more for your to bitch about, go ahead onto the rest of the forum to spout your "knowledge", there are far worse designs out there.

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Changing bad stats to "I have no clue what this stat is" is an improvement, but if you're selling things to people they generally like to know these things, especially armour, so they actually have enough information to RP with. I don't see why anyone would buy a tank when they have no idea what the armour is. It may be true that there are worse designs around, but I don't see why that means no one should try to help you turn your bad design into a good one. *shrug* If you dont want any help then fair enough - just don't expect many orders.

I have stated the armor values are slightly less than a T-80

Changing bad stats to "I have no clue what this stat is" is an improvement, but if you're selling things to people they generally like to know these things, especially armour, so they actually have enough information to RP with. I don't see why anyone would buy a tank when they have no idea what the armour is. It may be true that there are worse designs around, but I don't see why that means no one should try to help you turn your bad design into a good one. *shrug* If you dont want any help then fair enough - just don't expect many orders.

Couldn't have said it better. Nice one Praetonia.

I have stated the armor values are slightly less than a T-80

So state that in the other information you gave. Also add the length, width so on why your at it. Please, their I asked nice- now you have no reason not to comply.

stop filling my IC prouct thread with OOC spam