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Zogian-Leocardian War Decleration
Citizens of the Kingdom of Zogia, I hereby declare a state of war between the Kingdom of Zogia and the dasterly nation of Leocardia hereforth known as 'The Enemy'.
I order all forces to attack. I order our army to crush there beach positions. I order our air force to destory all AA, AP and AS weapion systems.
We will destroy The Enemy! Our 1st victory was over the rebels! Our 2nd was over The Enemy when thay invaded. And now our 3rd victory shall be our sussesful counterinvation of The Enemy!
10 May, 2006

With this, wave after wave of Zogian troops moved on The Enemy.
As he wached them go the king wondered, 'I wonder what The Enemy will do now that we are the invaders?'

OOC: Did you check this with Leocardia?

He sent peacekeepers to the Kingdom of Zogia during our civil war. Oppon the collaps of the rebelion he terned invader. We pushed him out of the kingdom but he wouldn't surrender. So now I have declared war. This is a contiuation, but as this is no longer a civil war I started a new thread.

The Horde of Doom sees Leocardia's actions as war crimes, by keeping his forces in a country to occupy it. Rather then commit to war(as of yet) the County Council and people of The Horde of Doom have decided:

RESOLVED, that Leocardia has shown it's true colors by trying to engulf a soverign people through military action
RECOGNIZING, that such actions are not compatiable with the welfare of the people of Zogia
REALIZING, that as one of the extrememly few truly free nations, The Horde of Doom should recognizing itself as a "great defender."

HEARBY DECLARES:
That the Direct Democracy of The Horde of Doom shall help to fund and feed all Zogia military forces. IF hostility increases to a point declared by the people to be:
-Attacks on HoD
-Civillian Attacks

Then the full brunt of the Horde's military force will be unleashed upon Leocardia.

The Leocardian beaches were deserted. All civilians were requested to stay inside their homes and come out when it is safe, issued by the Leocardian Defensive Alerts. With the emptiness, Leocardian militants set up bunker beds, as well as mobile artillery and mobile antiaircraft weapons were placed on the streets near all the beaches of Leocardia. Tanks, with swim ability, rolled out on the street. Tomahawk tanks lined up in the beaches, and sand bags were piled up on the sand. It meant only one thing: invaders were arriving to Leocardia.

The Leocardian Goverment requested all Leocardian Elite Special Forces to be on active duty. This meant the following elite special forces are active: Leocardian Terrorist-Fighter Forces, Leocardian T.I.G.E.R. Forces, Leocardian PRO-Defender Forces, EMR (Emergency Military Response) Forces, The Leo Militia, and the Leocardian 'Lions' Guards. These were not all of the Leocardian forces, but they have been on active duty. Frequent infantry patrols were not held and all airports are closed.

The Leocardian Airforce was in no need to worry. Advanced upgrades in jets and their weapons have been recently finished. High Technological RADAR/SONAR/LADAR/LIADSER Radar Systems are manned at high for any upcoming threats. The Leocardian Navy issued all ships to be active and frequent patrols around Leocardia's shores. This time is especially certain that Leocardia will win because they have recently armed themselves the Patroller SD, which is proven to be much better than the Hood MSD. All was ready. All Leocardian defences were active and fully functional. Space satiellite scanned for any incoming forces. It was a complete protection for Leocardia, no one shall penetrate it.

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Official Response to Declaration of War by the Zogian Government on the Government of Leocardia
You know very well that the nation of Leocardia is a member of the Militaristic Nation Defense Pact and is therefore within the protection of several other nations? You declare war on Leocardia, you deal with the Defense Pact, should Leocardia chose to call upon us.

We however would like to remind you that you will then deal with us. But, we will stay out of it for now unless Leocardia calls the Pact into action as long as a justified reason for the war is given to The Dracun Government the Imperium will not mobilize its forces for war.

Failure to give us the reason for your declaration of war will result in a declaration of War by the Glorious Reborn Nation of The Dracun Imperium and the enslavement of your people if not the extermination of your race and culture as we know it. We expect a response and we expect it soon.

Approved by Dread Lord Bane

To: Dracun Imperium
From: Leocardia

We are being attacked. We ask you in plea to aid us in defending the country against the invaders.


Jason Batista,
Leocardian President

Message to the Government of Leocardia
Your request has been granted, our forces shall mobilize for your defense. Your enemies shall be killed, their heads stuck on pikes for all to see and the rest enslaved to serve the Imperium.

Signed,
Dread Lord Bane
Lord of The Imperium

***
The Dread Lord's promises were never broken and he wasn't about to start. Soon after writing the letter to President Batista he called for the mobilization of the entire Dracun Armed Forces. He wasn't stupid; he wouldn't waste millions of troops when thousands could do the job they were to serve as a precaution should any other nation take an interest in the current conflict against the Imperium and her allies.

The Grand Dracun Navy began to stock up on supplies, prepared to transport thousands of troops to battle and to launch relentless air strikes against the enemy. While the air force began running exercises of its own as the army mobilized itself for the coming war.

This pathetic excuse for a nation called Zogia would soon feel the mighty wrath of the Imperium's armed forces and they would feel it for the rest of eternity.

[OOC: Sorry for shortness]

From: Zogian Goverment
To: Dracunian Goverment
Thay attacked us and we are honered bound to reply in kind unless thay surrender.
We do not intend for this surrender to be anything more then an apology and will even pay 5% of the cost that The Enemy's foolish attack broght down on them.

Coast of The Enemy:
Splashes came up portside as The Enemy tryed to stop the Zogian landing. Unfortenetly for them, Cheecan had sent more aid to bring the war to The Enemy and was debating declaring war.
"So? What are our chances of a sussesful landing?" Asked Adm. Doo of the newly created Zogian Navy.
"Good", replied his aid, Col. Vora, a hot woman if ever thare was one, "But once we land... I don't know."

Zogia, capital City of the Kingdom of Zogia:
Celebrations were being held on every major street and in every park.
The Enemy was crushed and as the happy crowed wached more troops left the city on thare way to bring the war to them.
"Ah, look at them", remarked King Zoger, "thay now know the tast of victory not once but 2 times.
"So what of Cheecan?"
"No word yet your majesty", replied an aid, "Meney in thare goverment wish us to increse diocratic rights for our citizens.
"Even if thay started a civil war. However, thare president is of the opinion that Leocardia, umm, The Enemy, sorry, need to be crushed 1st so that such a system of goverment can survive this hostil world."
"Too bad", replied the king, "We could use thare full force. The Enemy is strong in thare own nation."

*tag* will post later

Newly elected President Vorlon was deep in debate with his cabinet, most of which were left over from the last administartion.
"We must declare war! The Kingdom of Zogia is an allie and King Zoger is my wifes cosion!"
"Now! You will go to war for famly?!" Remarks an aid.
"Yes! Famly ties are strong in both our nations, Leocardia too even, you know that. But more then that if Zogia falls then what? All the Pacific? I think not!"
"I agree with the president on this one. We must go to war or at least send more aid.
"What we have sent so far will get them on the beaches an then a mile or 2 inland, no ferther," pipes up Secetary of War Dock May.

To: Leocardian Goverment
From: Cheecanian Goverment
Leadership of Leocardia, We wish to mediate a solution to this war between the Kingdom of Zogia and yourselves. We do not wish this war to expand, however unlikely, into a regional or even world war.
Now we aske you to come to the table in a nutral nation. No delegets will be armed and no delegets will have guards, armed or otherwise.
If not then you must be ready for a Cheecanian Decleration of War.
Surrender to Zogia, who is open to terms, or mediate this in a nutral nation.

OOC: nice short crappy post

after a very short debate the Empire of Nebarri Prime has decided not to support Zogia, but rather to support Leocardia

To: Nebarri_Prime
From: Cheecanian Goverment
Nebarri_Prime, the Goverment of Cheecan asks you to resind your decleration of support for Leocardia and allow the nations involved in this war to meet at a safe location in your nation to mediate this conflict.
We will contenue to sherch for a peacful solution to this conflict until it ends or we are draged into it.

should Leocardia look for a peacful solution Nebarri Prime will withdraw its support and allow invalved nations to mediate this conflict in our boarders

A Mondothian naval task force has been dispatched to monitor the situation. ANy attack against this fleet shall be regarded an act of open war and be responded to in kind.

Both countries would be smashed into pieces and their territories would be enslaved by Leocardia. It was the revelation for both Cheecan and Zogia, especially when both countries are no match in population against the Great, Mighty Leocardia.

"All missile defences up, aye?" Airforce Marshal Rick asked.

"All up. 'n they won't try'n shoot us wif missil's 'ye. These are the best." The monitors replied. "They shoot us one missile, we destroy da missile and we return them wif many missiles."


OOC: I have a question. How can both of your country be powerful with ships and think you can stand against me when both of you combined is no match? Oh, and Zogia, don't you ever try RPing my parts.

A Mondothian naval task force has been dispatched to monitor the situation. ANy attack against this fleet shall be regarded an act of open war and be responded to in kind.

To: Mondoth
From: Leocardia

We will not harm you. Please do not be fooled by any attack. We are at defence.


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SECRET IC:

A naval patrol boat sailed in the sea. On the sides of the ship was coded and named very similiar to Cheecanian ships. Almost very similiar to Cheecan ships, but it didn't belong to Cheecan nor Zogia. It was a Leocardian ship patrol boat just labeled under Cheecan ships. It was to frame Cheecan.

"This is Cheecan Navy, report who you are or we will fire." A radio from the patrol boat radioed to Mondothian ships. "Report or we will fire." They repeated. In just a few seconds, the undercover Leocardian ship fired a missile at the Mondothian Navy. In hopes to a successful frame, the patrol boat fired up full speed at the Mondoth Fleet. "This is Cheecan Navy, report or we will crash!" The patrol boat fired even more missiles at the Mondoth Navy.

OOC: i would just like to note that Zogia and Cheecan combined have a population of 40 million and a military budget of 14.783 Billion, Leocardia has a pop of 905 mill and a military budget of 3.1 Trillion...and i am far larger then even Leocardia.

all this is taken from this site
http://nstracker.retrogade.com/

The Armed Republic of Mer des Ennuis laughs at this pathetic attempt to bring harm to our allies, as per the terms of the Militaristic Nations Pact. Carpathia Ziemowit himself has fallen out of his chair from laughter, and is apparently not currently drunk. All 15 carrier battle groups have been mobilized to assault the pathetic fleets of Zogia and Cheecan. We have also decided to mobilize the 3rd Army Group and the 5th Armored Army group for a possible invasion of either country with the explicit intention of making vassel states out of them, or beating them into a bloody pulp, which ever happens last. We are also mobilizing all strategic bombers and transport aircraft to hit strategic targets of either Cheecan of Zogia, which ever pisses us off more.

Horde, should you become involved in this war, we will specifically not assault your soldiers, as per the terms of our agreements, though we may be forced to close all military facilities to you to avoid aiding a potential enemy of our allies. Just a heads up.

IC:
To: All enemies of the Kingdom of Zogia
From: Cheecanian Goverment
We would like to remind you that we are not at war as of yet. We have only commited aid and would not like to suffer an attack becuse of Zogias counter invation.

OOC:
Leocardia, you are godmodding. how can you fram the Cheecanian navy when no Cheecanian ships are part of this war? All cheecanian forces are solders and pilots.

Official Communique to the Belligerents in the War Between Zogian and Leocardia, and Their Respective Allies

The Scarlet Kingdom has been following the conflict between your two nations and feels that it would be in the best interests of the King and his people to assist Zogia in their retaliatory invasion of the rogue nation of Leocardia. Therefore, a declaration of war between Scarlet Kingdom of Vietnamexico and the the Republic of Leocardia and anyone aiding her, both finacially and militarily.

[signed]

Horus Hornando,
King of Vietnamexico

[Co-Signed]
James Fauve
High Chancellor

The following troops are to be mobilized for the newly named "Operation Paycheck" in Leocardia:

Zeilefrente (Army):

1st Infantry Battalion (1 Million Men)
1. 50,000 Jeeps
2. 75 B-3 Light Tanks
3. 20 A-14 Talons (Vietnamexican Equivalent to Apache)
4. 125 D-2 Doubledays (transport copter)

17th "Hermes" Brigade (100,000 Men)
1. 250 Jeeps
2. 1 A-14 Helicopter

4rd Mechanized Brigade (100,000 Men)

1. 10,000 B-3 Light Tanks
2. 6,000 A-1 Heavy Tanks
3. 200 Jeeps
4. 300 Half-Tracks

67th Airborne Regiment (10,000 Men)

1. 15 A-14 Attack Helicopters
2. 34 D-2 Doubleday Transport Helicopters
3. 10 Osprey VTOLs
4. 12 B-1 Huey Assault Helicopters

OOC: The troops can arrive at a designated military port in Zogia for departure to Leocardia in about 2 RL days (Zogia, I need you to get a large port in Leocardia before I can get there, I have no amphibious landing crafts)

The Royal Navy

The following ships have been commisioned for the invasion of Leocardia:

The Task Force Bravo consisting of:

2 Gerald-Class Aircraft Carriers
SKS Tommlon
SKS McMann
20 Daria-Class Destroyers
5 Victory-Class Battleships
SKS Menburg
SKS Hinrich
SKS Quinlin
SKS Juilan
SKS Earnheardt
15 Dreadnoughts
3 Super-dreadnoughts
SKS Vishnaria
SKS Muur
SKS Julikia
30 Transport Ships (for supplies and troops)

IC:
To: All enemies of the Kingdom of Zogia
From: Cheecanian Goverment
We would like to remind you that we are not at war as of yet. We have only commited aid and would not like to suffer an attack becuse of Zogias counter invation.

OOC:
Leocardia, you are godmodding. how can you fram the Cheecanian navy when no Cheecanian ships are part of this war? All cheecanian forces are solders and pilots.

OOC: i assume, he, like me got this impreshon from Zogia, who claims you have given his force support in a post

What the Dread Lord wanted he got and what he wanted now was the enslavement of the Zogian race and her allies. As of right now the Dread Lord overlooked his parading army, marching to the Glacier Naval Base from the city of Trava. Bane was dressed in full ceremonial battle armor, similar to that he wore on the end of Civil War.

Tanks rolled by, soldiers saluted as they marched by and stunt fighters performed stunts overhead. The parade was broadcasted on international channels as a show of force of the Great Army of Dracun and that this would be no easy war for the enemy if anything it would be an easy war for Leocardia and MNDP. Already another nation from the pact had answered the call to protect the Leocardians. But, as one joined the Leocardian side another joined the Zogian side but they would be no major threat especially due to the amount of naval power the Imperium was mobilizing.

The parade stopped as it had reached the middle and now it was time for Bane to make his speech, to motivate his troops to victory by any means necessary. His voice was filled with authority and all grew silent as he spoke,

“My People! We have won the great wars of our past and this shall be no different. We will defend our allies and push the enemy back to their beaches and then even further back till they have no further room to move! The enemy will be nothing compared to you, my brave troops… they are small and weak as we are strong and brutal. You will slaughter them where they stand and show them the meaning of being a Dracian!” The crowd roared with agreement.

“You will bring fear to the core of their hearts! Your brutality shall know no bounds, your ferocity shall not be caged we will use these fools as an example to the world! You will show the world we are not to be messed with, you will take no prisoners, kill the cowards. I want their heads brought before me!” Another roar seemed to rock the city.

“You are fighting for not just an ally of our great nation but you are fighting for your honor but most of all you are fighting for me, your Lord! Do not disgrace me, go forth and bring death upon all who stand in your way!” The crowd stomped their feet and chanted, “Long live the Dread Lord, death to his enemies.”

And the parade continued as the chanting continued. Within another few hours the first wave of defenders would set sail for Leocardia and begin to fight the fools who dared to invade them.

IC:
To: All enemies of the Kingdom of Zogia
From: Cheecanian Goverment
We would like to remind you that we are not at war as of yet. We have only commited aid and would not like to suffer an attack becuse of Zogias counter invation.

OOC:
Leocardia, you are godmodding. how can you fram the Cheecanian navy when no Cheecanian ships are part of this war? All cheecanian forces are solders and pilots.

OOC: I'm not godmoding. Mondoth ICly doesn't know whether or not if your ships are out in sea. I can frame you, because Mondoth doesn't know about it yet. If you were smart you would of included that Cheecanian forces have no navy before my framed operation was issued.

OOC: This is PMT, right?

OOC: This is PMT, right?

I think so, well I think because if its FT, then Cheecan and Zogia would be HOUNDed by now.

OOC: Well it could have been MT as well, in which case, I could not have done this. Funny, I did this to Leocardia before, even if that did end up being ignored. (Not my fault)

Secret IC: Helios's rage, directed. Truly a marvelous creation.

A Solar Flare class Orbital mirror moved into position.

Aim for the carriers. Air superiority is always a priority.

The Mirror was aimed. The sun's energy was focused into a beam about three feet in diameter, which lanced down from the sky towards the flight deck of a Zogian carrier.

The mirror drifted away in orbit, not remaining over the battlefield long enough to be noticed.

OOC: I'm assuming that you have carriers, since it would be stupid not to.

The following was encoded with a double one-time pad, and written in enochian. It has been translated to be readible. If you are reading this and not Aeson or Dracun, you are probably godmodding.
To: Aeson High Command
CC: Dracun Imperium High Command
From: Admiral Wawrzyniec Krystian
Subject: Vietnamexico's Naval Force

Vietnamexico has declared its naval forces, and it has many dreadnoughts, super dreadnoughts, and battle ships. We do not have the forces to take out that many capital ships. As such, we will probably be raiding their commerce once their naval forces get underway. However, it would also be useful to commit a joint naval strike against his fleet. This will allow an invasion of either Zogia or Vietnamexico, and, at the very least, halt the invasion of Leocardia. Please, let us know so we may coordinate an attack.

The streets were cleared. Every block was patrolled by the Lions Guards every few minutes. The Bunker Lookout in the beach was full of men waiting for enemy, though they couldn't get what they pleased. "Are they here yet?" Private Jog asked. "NO! And for the last time, I'll tell you when they're here!" Sg. Lowe replied. It was empty. The Government allowed its citizens to walk in the streets and continue their lives as normal, just with a precaution to be on a look out. Leocardian Airforce went on high alert, the latest fighter jets that were on active duty weren't used, but was out in the lot preparing to launch if it was needed.

----RADIO----
To: DI
From: Leocardia

This is Leocardian General Diligh, we are requesting a stats report on the invasion. Are you hit yet, over.

OOC:
Leocardia, edit your post so taht you are framing Zogia. We are still building are navy at the moment.

OOC:
Leocardia, edit your post so taht you are framing Zogia. We are still building are navy at the moment.

OOC: Why should I? You both are against me.

OOC:
Becuse Cheecan has no navy as of yet. You cannot invit one just so that you can destroy them. Godmodding that is.

IC:
At last the Zogian Navy reches The Enemy's coast. Unfortenetly thay lost the ZNS All Destroying in a strange solar event.
"Deploy the landing craft!" Orders a Zogian Srg. Imeditly the landing craft deploy to destroy The Enemy for thare crims.
"Remember, we are Zogians", states Col. Moris of the Zogian Navy, "so never surrender!
"Only victory or death will be accepted. If you run, you die by Zogian hands. If you surrender, you die by The Enemy's hands. If you die in battle, you will be honuered!
"Victory will be ours!"

Zogia, capital city of the Kingdom of Zogia:
"So?" Asks the king, "Will Cheecan declar war?"
"I don't know", replies an aid. "Thare new president wants to, but still the Cheecanian goverment and people demand democrocy in Zogia 1st."
"The fools", replies the king, "don't thay know that if we fall, thay will be next? Send a messege to them."

From: Zogian Goverment
To: Cheecanian Goverment
Declare war now! Wee need your full resorces to toatly destory The Enemy! We cannot acheve full victory without you!

SECRET IC:

A naval patrol boat sailed in the sea. On the sides of the ship was coded and named very similiar to Cheecanian ships. Almost very similiar to Cheecan ships, but it didn't belong to Cheecan nor Zogia. It was a Leocardian ship patrol boat just labeled under Cheecan ships. It was to frame Cheecan.

"This is Cheecan Navy, report who you are or we will fire." A radio from the patrol boat radioed to Mondothian ships. "Report or we will fire." They repeated. In just a few seconds, the undercover Leocardian ship fired a missile at the Mondothian Navy. In hopes to a successful frame, the patrol boat fired up full speed at the Mondoth Fleet. "This is Cheecan Navy, report or we will crash!" The patrol boat fired even more missiles at the Mondoth Navy.


"Sir, something you might want to see."
"What is it?"
"This ship here, the one that attacked Mondoth. Look here."

The image on the screen froze, and displayed a ship. The paintings were of Cheecanian ships....but something was...off. The ship was anything far better then anything Cheecan had.

"Sir...I'm beginning to think...thats not a Cheecan ship at all."
"If not, what is it?'

The aide studied the ships outline, and looked at the missles it fired. He pulled up files on different national navies and found a few matches.

"Cheecan has nothing with weapons aligned like that, or with that firepower. Leocardia however...does."
"My God. Get Chairman Foro on the line!"

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Secrect IC to: Mondoth

Enclosed are satellite photos of the Cheecan attack on your navy. Also enclosed are specs of the ships Cheecan uses. Please notice how these do not match up, specfically the weapon poutputs. Further enclosed are specs of a Leocardian patrol boat. Notice the similarities? Further intel has revealed that the Cheecan navy has not even been diployed until recently.

Do what you will with this information, know however that your actions will reflect our attitudes toward you.

To: Mondoth
From: Leocardia

We will not harm you. Please do not be fooled by any attack. We are at defence.


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SECRET IC:

A naval patrol boat sailed in the sea. On the sides of the ship was coded and named very similiar to Cheecanian ships. Almost very similiar to Cheecan ships, but it didn't belong to Cheecan nor Zogia. It was a Leocardian ship patrol boat just labeled under Cheecan ships. It was to frame Cheecan.

"This is Cheecan Navy, report who you are or we will fire." A radio from the patrol boat radioed to Mondothian ships. "Report or we will fire." They repeated. In just a few seconds, the undercover Leocardian ship fired a missile at the Mondothian Navy. In hopes to a successful frame, the patrol boat fired up full speed at the Mondoth Fleet. "This is Cheecan Navy, report or we will crash!" The patrol boat fired even more missiles at the Mondoth Navy.

Message to Leocardia
From: Mondothian 776th Naval Task Force
Via: ESL-GS-96549

We apologize if we have given an impression contrary to our intentions, we are only observing at this time. Mondothian intervention in this war will depend on intelligence gathered by this fleet and other intelligence assets.


The Fleet

"Sir, we are being hailed by a patrol vessel claiming to be from the Cheecan/Zogian navy (will edit depending on what Leo says, I would suggest Zogian though,because otherwise it will come out fairly quickly hat Cheecan doesn't even have a naval presence int he area). He is demanding we identify ourselves."

"Tell him who we-"
"Sir the boat has fired a missile. the Patrol boat is accelerating on a collsion coarse."

"Engage, engage at will. Set condition one throughout the fleet."

"Condition one set. All defenses on full alert."

Even as the ships were switching over the fatal divide from 'peace' and 'war'. the missile defenses that never really slept, noticed the inbound missile. quickly evaluating it as a threat, an evaluation quicky verified as the fleet went to condition one, the flat dishes of the microwave defense systems sleyed around, locking onto the missile they fired their invisible beams of coherent microwave radiation which caused the normally inert explosives int he warhead to detonate, killing the missile in midair. As more missiles were launched, the defenses reacted, killing the missiles with deadly efficiency.
Within seconds, the missile threat was over (you'd need more than a single patrol boat worth of missiles to breech a modern naval missile defense system unless you're using high tech sea-skimming missiles or something). Seconds later, the boat itself came under the vigilance of the close in defences. As a larger surface target, it was not targetted by the microwave emitters, but instead by a LRAD (Long Range Audio Defence) which transmitted an easily audible message at a decibel level sure to get the enemies attention.
"You are violating the Safety Perimeer of a Mondothian Naval Vessel, please alter your coarse immediately or be fired upon. Repeat: Please change course immediatley or we will fire upon you." Thje message was backed up a second later by an ear piercing warble that increased in volume until it could physically damage a persons hearing. If that didn't work, the system was tied into a 5in. naval gun that would do the actual firing.


Message to Cheecan/Zogian Government
From: Mondothian 776th naval Task Force
Via: ESL-GG47898
We have been fired upon by a patrol ship fling your flag. You have twenty four hours to explain these actions before a formal declaration of war is dispatched. Until the Mondothian Government sends this fleet orders to the contrary, we will consider all Cheecan/Zogian contacts as hostile and will seekt o actively defend ourselves from their potential threat.

Message to Leocardia
From: Mondothian 776th Naval Task Force
Via: ESL-GS-96549

We apologize if we have given an impression contrary to our intentions, we are only observing at this time. Mondothian intervention in this war will depend on intelligence gathered by this fleet and other intelligence assets.


The Fleet

"Sir, we are being hailed by a patrol vessel claiming to be from the Cheecan/Zogian navy (will edit depending on what Leo says, I would suggest Zogian though,because otherwise it will come out fairly quickly hat Cheecan doesn't even have a naval presence int he area). He is demanding we identify ourselves."

"Tell him who we-"
"Sir the boat has fired a missile. the Patrol boat is accelerating on a collsion coarse."

"Engage, engage at will. Set condition one throughout the fleet."

"Condition one set. All defenses on full alert."

Even as the ships were switching over the fatal divide from 'peace' and 'war'. the missile defenses that never really slept, noticed the inbound missile. quickly evaluating it as a threat, an evaluation quicky verified as the fleet went to condition one, the flat dishes of the microwave defense systems sleyed around, locking onto the missile they fired their invisible beams of coherent microwave radiation which caused the normally inert explosives int he warhead to detonate, killing the missile in midair. As more missiles were launched, the defenses reacted, killing the missiles with deadly efficiency.
Within seconds, the missile threat was over (you'd need more than a single patrol boat worth of missiles to breech a modern naval missile defense system unless you're using high tech sea-skimming missiles or something). Seconds later, the boat itself came under the vigilance of the close in defences. As a larger surface target, it was not targetted by the microwave emitters, but instead by a LRAD (Long Range Audio Defence) which transmitted an easily audible message at a decibel level sure to get the enemies attention.
"You are violating the Safety Perimeer of a Mondothian Naval Vessel, please alter your coarse immediately or be fired upon. Repeat: Please change course immediatley or we will fire upon you." Thje message was backed up a second later by an ear piercing warble that increased in volume until it could physically damage a persons hearing. If that didn't work, the system was tied into a 5in. naval gun that would do the actual firing.


Message to Cheecan/Zogian Government
From: Mondothian 776th naval Task Force
Via: ESL-GG47898
We have been fired upon by a patrol ship fling your flag. You have twenty four hours to explain these actions before a formal declaration of war is dispatched. Until the Mondothian Government sends this fleet orders to the contrary, we will consider all Cheecan/Zogian contacts as hostile and will seekt o actively defend ourselves from their potential threat.

OOC: So...my telegram is just ignored?

IC:
From: Zogian Goverment
To: Mondothin Goverment
What? We never ordered an attack! The Enemy must have done it! Let it be known that flying an enemy flag in battle is aginst the laws of war, cowerds!

Off The Enemy's coast:
Zogian forces storm the beaches trying to take the city. However, strong defenses have stalled the attack.
"Take cover! Dont present a target. I said fight, not let The Enemy use you for target practise!" Shouted Col. Moris to his men.
Just then a radio operator terns to him, "Sir! We cannot get air cover at the moment due to the fact thatThe Enemy has more air power then us at the moment. But, ..."
Before he can repot what thay would be getting it started comeing down. Hevy fire was comeing from the ships. The Zogians wached in aw as depleted Uranium tiped shells came down on The Enemy's bunkers like slege hammars on an lofe of white bread.

OOC:
I am useing the primis behind U.S.A.'s tank shells. I'm not godmodding.

OOC: So...my telegram is just ignored?
I'm giving Leo a chance to change the post, because I think it would be more interesting if I were to ally with him for a little while, until the truth cane out at least.

Zogia, could you please post what your forces are? I'd be more than happy to do the same.

IC:
Navy
3 WW2 tipe carriers (1 sunk)
3 1st Galf War tipe battleships
10 1st Galf War tipe destroyers
150 modern patrol boats
280 modern carrier aircraft (all fighters and 70 destroyed with the sunk carrier)

Army
26 million total (20,000 in 1st wave and 5 million in next waves)
5,000 1st Galf War tipe tanks total (1,555 ready to land once beaches are cleared)
500,000 modern Jeeps total (500 ready to land once beaches are cleared)

Air Force
50 modern fighters (on defence patrol with 50% of all aircraft in the air at any given time)

Space Force
non-existent

OOC:
:headbang: I just read my decleration of war. I do have an air force!

Zogia, you cannot have a 26 million man army if your country only has 29 million people. A world war two carrier cannot hold 500 planes. And I doubt you have 500,000 HMWWVS.

1) All citizens are in the military.
2) I said WW2 tipe not exact modles.
3) Jeeps, much cheeper to build and smaller.

Zogia, you cannot have a 26 million man army if your country only has 29 million people. A world war two carrier cannot hold 500 planes. And I doubt you have 500,000 HMWWVS.

OOC: his army can be a max of 5% in offencive warfare(only time its higher is if he is badly loseing a war and he is the defender then its up to 10%) a WW2 Carier can carry 70-100 Fighters, but much less if the fighters are modern...and take 450,000 times 500,000 and you get the cost of all them HMWWVS's, in short, the cost for that would be more then his nation is worth

1) All citizens are in the military.
2) I said WW2 tipe not exact modles.
3) Jeeps, much cheeper to build and smaller.

OOC: so in effect you army has no supplies what so ever and are forced to eat at there skin because you have no way of making food or buying it, and no factory workers of any kind? also your ships are then made of wood and are in extream disrepair? this will be a short war

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500,000 of them is more then even the big nations can afford, and what do you mean by "WW2 tipe" then?

I edited the numbers some.
1) All are in, not all are are active however.
2) Retro fited with longer flight decks and modern catapults, I couldnt affored good carriers to go with them.
3) As with my citizens not all are being used. My navy is only carring 500 at the moment.

I edited the numbers some.
1) All are in, not all are are active however.
2) Retro fited with longer flight decks and modern catapults, I couldnt affored good carriers to go with them.
3) As with my citizens not all are being used. My navy is only carring 500 at the moment.

OOC: more acceptable, but i wonder why you would enlist almost all the children and older people into your military...i cant see how much good a 10 year old or a 66 year old is going to do in your army

IC:
From: Zogian Goverment
To: Mondothin Goverment
What? We never ordered an attack! The Enemy must have done it! Let it be known that flying an enemy flag in battle is aginst the laws of war, cowerds!

Off The Enemy's coast:
Zogian forces storm the beaches trying to take the city. However, strong defenses have stalled the attack.
"Take cover! Dont present a target. I said fight, not let The Enemy use you for target practise!" Shouted Col. Moris to his men.
Just then a radio operator terns to him, "Sir! We cannot get air cover at the moment due to the fact thatThe Enemy has more air power then us at the moment. But, ..."
Before he can repot what thay would be getting it started comeing down. Hevy fire was comeing from the ships. The Zogians wached in aw as depleted Uranium tiped shells came down on The Enemy's bunkers like slege hammars on an lofe of white bread.

OOC:
I am useing the primis behind U.S.A.'s tank shells. I'm not godmodding.

OOC: Huh? I'm not shooting depleted uranium shells at you.

IC:

The troops looked and.. ENEMY CRAFTS were coming in. "ENEMY!" the private on lookout shouted. The next Sergeant looked in the binoculars and was proven true. He immediately went to the radio and messaged that the enemy was in sight. "ENEMY FORCES! HEADING OUR WAY!"

Thousands of troops ran toward the scene. Tanks, artillery, and machineguns fired at the moving ships heading our way. RPGs aimed at the moving crafts and fired accurately, as well as holding powerful RPGs. It looked proven true that it was more on Leocardia's side.The bunkermen locked the doors of the bunkers and fired downward at the enemy forces. Snipers from afar in hidden spots sniped at the enemy's head. The elite snipers were very accurate in their performance, it was a good position in the battle.

The Leocardian Navy surrounded the Zogians from behind. Firing at the Zogian aircrafts if they were present. The Superdreadnaught 'Loin' was present. The navy was also used to fire at the Zogian landing crafts.

Thousands more of Lions Guards ran to the beach in wait for a man to man combat if the Zogians would ever set foot on Leocardian shores.

OOC: Huh? I'm not shooting depleted uranium shells at you.

IC:

The troops looked and.. ENEMY CRAFTS were coming in. "ENEMY!" the private on lookout shouted. The next Sergeant looked in the binoculars and was proven true. He immediately went to the radio and messaged that the enemy was in sight. "ENEMY FORCES! HEADING OUR WAY!"

Thousands of troops ran toward the scene. Tanks, artillery, and machineguns fired at the moving ships heading our way. RPGs aimed at the moving crafts and fired accurately, as well as holding powerful RPGs. It looked proven true that it was more on Leocardia's side.The bunkermen locked the doors of the bunkers and fired downward at the enemy forces. Snipers from afar in hidden spots sniped at the enemy's head. The elite snipers were very accurate in their performance, it was a good position in the battle.

The Leocardian Navy surrounded the Zogians from behind. Firing at the Zogian aircrafts if they were present. The Superdreadnaught 'Loin' was present. The navy was also used to fire at the Zogian landing crafts.

Thousands more of Lions Guards ran to the beach in wait for a man to man combat if the Zogians would ever set foot on Leocardian shores.

OOC: i think he is shooting them at you, it goes along with his OOC statement

OOC:
How can you shoot down at aircraft that we, knowing thay would get shot down, never lanched? Read the post, that why we are useing depleted Uranium shells insted.

IC:
"Attack!" Ordered Col. Moris. "Take thare bunkers for the glory of the king!"
1 then hundreds of Zogians stormed the bunkers under cover by thare navy. Only 1 was sized as The Enemy proved expert marksmen and stalled all other attcks, but not before the Zogians and the few Cheecanian troops thay had with them gained the beach up to the bunkers foundations all along the landing area.
Now it was only to use the ceptered bunker to allow a brakethru. In this the Zogians inside the bunker did thare best, raining down death on any defenders thare guns could reach. The Zogians were just as good as The Enemy was as marksmenship when on the high ground.

OOC:
How can you shoot down at aircraft that we, knowing thay would get shot down, never lanched? Read the post, that why we are useing depleted Uranium shells insted.

IC:
"Attack!" Ordered Col. Moris. "Take thare bunkers for the glory of the king!"
1 then hundreds of Zogians stormed the bunkers under cover by thare navy. Only 1 was sized as The Enemy proved expert marksmen and stalled all other attcks, but not before the Zogians and the few Cheecanian troops thay had with them gained the beach up to the bunkers foundations all along the landing area.
Now it was only to use the ceptered bunker to allow a brakethru. In this the Zogians inside the bunker did thare best, raining down death on any defenders thare guns could reach. The Zogians were just as good as The Enemy was as marksmenship when on the high ground.

OOC: he said "Firing at the Zogian aircrafts" njot shooting them down, he could just as easily fire at aircraft on your ships decks as firing at them in any other way

To achive a brakthru Zogia sent in it's Shadow Forces.
1 by 1 officers in The Enimy's armed forces went down, but the cowerdly officers that realy counted styed hiden in thare bunkers and shelters.
At last the landing beach up to the bunkers was in Zogian hands. Now it was time to hit the city.
From the reports the spies gave the Zogian Goverment, the Zogian Navy targeted the nearest military target a police complex, and fired a volly.
1 moment the complex was thare, the next it was a slitly radioactive, smoldering ruin.
The next target was a major brige.
Another volly. The same resalt.
1 by 1 targets were locked onto and destroyed until the risk of civilian loses was to great to contenue the attack from the ships.

From: King Zoger
To: President Vorlon
Declare war now! Send in your air forces, we need air power now!

OOC: Leo... I guess you aren't going to edit your post...

IC:

Message to Leocardia
From: Mondothian 776th Naval Task Force
Via: DSL-GF7649

We haev determined that a ship claiming to be of Cheecan origin that recently fired upon this fleet, In fact originated in your nation. You have been given 24 hours to explain this hostile action before a formal declaration of war is presented. Until we have recieved orders to the contrary, all Leocardian ships are to be deemed hostile to this battlegroup and the Mondothian Nation and will be treated accordingly.

With the completion of the CS Wacher, a savalence and salvige vessel, the Cheecanian Navy moved on to Leocardia to protect free shiping, wach the situation and, if the decleration came as Zogia hoped, be on sation and ready to attack on a moments notice.

To: Mondothin Goverment
From: Cheecanian Goverment
We understand that Leocardia has attacked you. If you wish we will aid you once our fleet is on station.

To: Leocardian Goverment
From: Cheecanian Goverment
Your foolishness will only end in desastor for you. We beg you, for this resion, to medeate this conflict peacfuly and end this stupid war before we get draged into it, as seems more likely as the minites tick away.

Navy
2 Karean War tipe carriers
30 modern crusers (10 on defence duty in Cheecanian Waters)
5 Karean War tipe destroyers (1 on defence duty in Cheecanian Waters)
100 modern patrol boats (65 on defence duty in Cheecanian Waters)
2 hi-tech savalence and salvige vessels
400 Cold War tipe carrier aircraft (160 fighters, 60 bombers and 20 attack helecopters)

Army
15 million total (20,000 in Cheecanian ships in case of deployment orders)
500 WW2 tipe tanks
20 modern attack helicopters
500 Humves (50 ready for deployment)

Air Force
50 Cold War tipe fighters
27 Cold War tipe bomers
5 modern attack helicopters
2 Cold War tipe spy plans

Space Force
non-existent

Note: UN Member

as of now, the Empire of Nebarri Prime has decided to send a fleet to blockade Zogia

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Nebarri Prime, will state now that is has no wish of war to any naton other then Zogia, thus we ask if it may be possible to agree not to attack eachother, unless it becomes unavoidable

So I take it we can negoseate with you then? We do not consider you an enemy at this time.

So I take it we can negoseate with you then? We do not consider you an enemy at this time.

yes you may. we are glad you do not.

From: Zogian Goverment
To: Nebarrian Goverment
Nebarri_Prime, is it possible to make peace with you? We rathe have you as a friend for obvius resions. The Enemy would make a good allie too, if only thay surrendered. Our terms were far, we even offered to pay some dameges to them.

To: All enemies of the Kingdom of Zogia
From: Cheecanian goverment
This messege is a list of demands.
1) All attcks not in defence stop.
2) All raids on mercent ships stop.
3) All enemies of Zogia come to medeate this war. We will negoseate with the Kingdom of Zogia to bring them into this peace summit.
4) No attacks on Cheecanian forces not fighting as we are not in this war past sending aid to Zogia.
5) Cheecanian and, if thay wish, Zogian trade agreements with all sides in this war to rebuild our economies.
If these demands are meet, the Cheecanian Goverment will honur all desitions made at this peace summit. If any nation, including our allie, Zogia, goes agenst the peace treaty, we will declare war on them. The Cheecanian Goverment asks that this peace summit be held in Nebarri_Prime.

To: Zogian Goverment
From: Cheecanian Goverment
We have called for a peace summit. If that called is answered, you are reqiered to come or face our withdrawing of aid and entering the war on the side of you enemy.

"Braktru!" Shouted Zogian solders along with thare few Cheecanian allies as thay finaly breched The Enemy's defenses and entered the city.
Zogian forces stormed the city killing all solders and police offecers thay saw. At last the civilans, in fear for thare lives, fled. With this new targets opened up with the emptying of naborhoods and the Zogian Navy resumed it's shelling. Military check points, police stations, anything that was a threat was shelled and destroyed.

From: Zogian Press Corps
To: The goverments invoveld in the Zogian-Leocardian War
At 8:41 AM Local Time, Zogian forces entered the beshiged city and began thare systimatic building-to-building attacks.
The Enemy has not backed down however, and is doing it's utmost to stall this push.
With the clearing of the beaches, tanks and Jeeps begain moveing onto the beach and then into the city.
Current calsalty reports are as follows:
Zogia- 1,007 dead, 35 wounded, 3 missing, 1 tank destroyed
Cheecan- 100 dead, 2 wounded
The Enemy- 546 dead (estemated), 1/2 that wounded (estemated), 37 ceptuered

Next report will come as the situation contenues.

"Braktru!" Shouted Zogian solders along with thare few Cheecanian allies as thay finaly breched The Enemy's defenses and entered the city.
Zogian forces stormed the city killing all solders and police offecers thay saw. At last the civilans, in fear for thare lives, fled. With this new targets opened up with the emptying of naborhoods and the Zogian Navy resumed it's shelling. Military check points, police stations, anything that was a threat was shelled and destroyed.

From: Zogian Press Corps
To: The goverments invoveld in the Zogian-Leocardian War
At 8:41 AM Local Time, Zogian forces entered the beshiged city and began thare systimatic building-to-building attacks.
The Enemy has not backed down however, and is doing it's utmost to stall this push.
With the clearing of the beaches, tanks and Jeeps begain moveing onto the beach and then into the city.
Current calsalty reports are as follows:
Zogia- 1,007 dead, 35 wounded, 3 missing, 1 tank destroyed
Cheecan- 100 dead, 2 wounded
The Enemy- 546 dead (estemated), 1/2 that wounded (estemated), 37 ceptuered

Next report will come as the situation contenues.

OOC: God-modding, I'm sorry to say. You can't just decide that you've broken through. Even if you send overwhelming force you have to wait for Leocardia to announce that his troops are falling back.

IC: As the Solar Mirror designated Helios's orbit again took it over the Zogian navy, the second carrier was targeted. Again, a beam lanced down from the sky towards the flight deck.

Blak smiled savagely. At this rate, air superiority was almost assured. The Zogian's, if this worked again, would be down to one carrier, and the Cheechans to two. This pitted against the entire Leocardian airforce, as well as her allies.

Black smiled savagely. "If we destroy their carriers, that presents air super

This time is especially certain that Leocardia will win because they have recently armed themselves the Patroller SD, which is proven to be much better than the Hood MSD.

You better not be refering to my Hood.

"What the!" Remarks a solder after heuring an explostion. "The NZS Shadow just went up!"
"Whaa?" Remark the solders by him.

Abord the ZNS All Powerful, activity is what the ship is about. 1 by 1 Zogian fighters lanch to avoid a 2nd hit by this strange weapion of the sun.
The fighters make for The Enemy's fleet and begain thare attack run. Heavy AA fire comes from the ships but Zogia has secretly trained thare pilots in the art of dogfighting and easly avoid geting hit, that is exept for 2 unluky pilots, as thay eject. The fighters lanche thare missles and do a low fly over, strafing the ships with thare cannons as thay past hopeing that thare missles hit thare marks.

Another hit. Truly this is a marvelous weapon. Everything from assassinations to naval superiority. I feel as if the gods themselves are smiting my enemies.

"Sir, the aircraft aboard the remaining carrier have scrambled."

"Take the last carrier. Don't give them anywhere to go back to."

"Yes, sir."

Once again, the beam was focused towards a carrier.

From: Zogian Govermet
To: Zogian People
"Fellow citizens", King Zoger says, "we have lost a carrier and our 2 remaining carriers have suffered hevy damege and have been ordered to retern home.
I am puting the air force on full alart and am mobalizing a ferther 10,000 troops for the army. I have also ordered all remaining waves to attack in one overwellming force."

Zogian forces have reached the city goverment buildings and have finaly been stoped by the defenders.
The Zogians moved up thare tanks to brake The Enemy's defenceive lines and to take the city.
The Zogian Navy contenues it's shelling of the city which is almost empty of civilans save a few stragulers and citizens willing to fight for thare homes.

From:Zogian Goverment
To: Cheecanian Goverment
Can we land our aircraft in Cheecan?

To: Zogian Goverment
From: Cheecanian Goverment
You may land your aircraft in Cheecan.

To: All govements of the world
From: President Volorn
All civilian travle to Cheecan has been aproved.
All refugees from the war are welcome to stay however long is needed in Cheecan.

To: All warring goverments
From: President Volorn
Any attack on the Cheecanian Navy before we enter this war officaly we be considered an act of war.
At the moment we are sending aid and are montering the situation.
We are not officaly at war.

To: Mondothan Goverment
From: Cheecanian Goverment
If we, an uninvolved fleet, are attacked, can we count on your support?

The massive task force moved speedily through the fog, as Admiral Richard Pierce looked at his maps. According to his calulations, they would soon be on the coast of Zogia. He decided that it was high time that he called in, requesting permission to occupy a Zogian port until a port in Leocardia was secured, allowing the Vietnamexican invasion forces to move in.

He picked up his radio. "This is Vietnamexican Task Force Bravo, requesting permission to use any nearby ports, do you read, Zogia Coast Gaurd."

OOC: Part of the problem with this is (other than the attrocious spelling on the parts of Zoigia and Cheecan) that Leocardia has not been roleplaying his part; Zoigia has been doing that for him. That would be the equivlent of me sending in 1 man and having him shoot all of Zogia's forces dead with a small nail gun. It would also be nice to have an actual name associated with enemy forces; the "cold war" extended for over 30 years! The Mustang present at the beginning of the war is just as "cold war era" as the jet engines we were using at the end.

OOC:
Sorry, don't spell vary good. And maybe if Leocardia RPed insted of me shooting at him and having my missles suddenly go into suspended animation for a day, I wouldn't need to!

IC:
From: Zogian Goverment
To: Vietnamexiconan Goverment
You may, however, the Civil War that started this all has left most our ports in disrepare. Our shipyard is a port and is 1 of only 2 undamaged ports.

"This is Zogian Coast Guard", replied the ZCGS Archangle, "we have been ordered by the king himself to guide you to Sir Peter Shipyard and Port.
"Welcome to the Kingdom of Zogia."

Admiral Pierce told this to the troops as the massive task force was guided by the small Zogian ships into the harbor. Once the ships were moored, Pierce phoned the Admiral of the Zogian forces, hoping to find a way to get some landing craft.

OOC: Leo... I guess you aren't going to edit your post...

IC:

Message to Leocardia
From: Mondothian 776th Naval Task Force
Via: DSL-GF7649

We haev determined that a ship claiming to be of Cheecan origin that recently fired upon this fleet, In fact originated in your nation. You have been given 24 hours to explain this hostile action before a formal declaration of war is presented. Until we have recieved orders to the contrary, all Leocardian ships are to be deemed hostile to this battlegroup and the Mondothian Nation and will be treated accordingly.

Wait.. WTF? Leocardia said he changed it already.

To achive a brakthru Zogia sent in it's Shadow Forces.
1 by 1 officers in The Enimy's armed forces went down, but the cowerdly officers that realy counted styed hiden in thare bunkers and shelters.
At last the landing beach up to the bunkers was in Zogian hands. Now it was time to hit the city.
From the reports the spies gave the Zogian Goverment, the Zogian Navy targeted the nearest military target a police complex, and fired a volly.
1 moment the complex was thare, the next it was a slitly radioactive, smoldering ruin.
The next target was a major brige.
Another volly. The same resalt.
1 by 1 targets were locked onto and destroyed until the risk of civilian loses was to great to contenue the attack from the ships.

From: King Zoger
To: President Vorlon
Declare war now! Send in your air forces, we need air power now!

OOC: Godmoding. Your RPing my forces again. You can't RP the part when my officers can being killed and all of the sudden my bunkers are yours now.

OOC:
Well I attacked and sized 3 of how meny? I've also destroyed some, not godmodding, just realy good shells.

So are you going to shoot down my missles or am I going to be forced to godmod and sink your ships to keep the story going smoothly. RP already!

IC:
From: Gr. Abm. Moolis
To: Vietnamexicoan Task Force
I understand your need for landing craft. However, as to that subject we are useing them in our invation of The Enemy.
We are building more, but you will need to waite. You havent even put in a poduction order yet!
Please do so we can build some for you. The cost will be handled by my goverment.

OOC:
Well I attacked and sized 3 of how meny? I've also destroyed some, not godmodding, just realy good shells.

So are you going to shoot down my missles or am I going to be forced to godmod and sink your ships to keep the story going smoothly. RP already!

IC:
From: Gr. Abm. Moolis
To: Vietnamexicoan Task Force
I understand your need for landing craft. However, as to that subject we are useing them in our invation of The Enemy.
We are building more, but you will need to waite. You havent even put in a poduction order yet!
Please do so we can build some for you. The cost will be handled by my goverment.

OOC: You already godmoded. YOUR RPING MY LOSSES!

OOC:
1) Is shooting at the enemy godmodding now?
2) I didn't hit any officers that mattered, read my post.

IC:
Zogian forces finaly desided that thay weren't going to take the city as fast as hoped and so dug into trenches with 1/2 the city behind them and in thare hands and the an entier nation in front of them.

OOC:
1) Is shooting at the enemy godmodding now?
2) I didn't hit any officers that mattered, read my post.

IC:
Zogian forces finaly desided that thay weren't going to take the city as fast as hoped and so dug into trenches with 1/2 the city behind them and in thare hands and the an entier nation in front of them.

OOC: you CAN'T RP ANY of his losses! he must post his own, and if you think it should be higher say so, he can not say he has no losses, that would be godmoding as well

*sigh* w/e

IC:

The Leocardian defences were breached by the Zogians, but that didn't stop them. Leocardian Defence Forces unleased all it's powerful forces stacking on the Zogians. It was a great success. Infantry-Fighting Vehicles went in an seemingly looks like they were clearing out the Zogians from the city. The Lions Guards, armored with the highest durable bulletproof vest and one of the most effective battle rifles went in next to the IFV's. The Leocardian Anti-Terrorist Forces were active and fired at the Zogians within city buildings. The Leocardian Terrorists Forces were now turned active. Men with bombs, dressed like normal civilians walked up close to the Zogians and acted as they were normal civilians and quickly denoted the bomb. All the explosions were up for the day. It was mainly all Leocardian forces. 3 million soldiers were present in the war on the side of Leocardia.

IC:
From: King Zoger
To: Zogian Armed Forces
Kill all enemy persions on site untill ordered otherwise.

OOC:
So can I sink your ships yet? I did fire missles at them.

SIC: A large plane, with a wingspan twice its length, ferryed down the runway of the Vietnamexican Air Gaurd base. The planes mission was secretive, to take pictures of the Leocardian positions in the feild, but for now, it just needed to make it to the country.

The Cheecanian navy was on station and had nothing to do. As such, the Cheecanian Goverment had ordered it's 2 servalance and salvige ships to go treser hunting.
"Sir", came over the radio, "I think we found something. Something big."

Wait.. WTF? Leocardia said he changed it already.
well, he hasn't. And I can't find the post where he says he did.

IC:

"Sir, we have not recieved a reply from the Leocardian Government."

"Very well, pending orders from Command, we commence war operations against Leocardia and Allies in five minutes. I want an immediate survey of the tactical situation."

"Sir, Aeson and Leocardian forces are currently engaging a Zogian fleet, Leocardia or Aeson has used an orbital weapon system to disable one of Zogia's fleet carriers. Vietnamexico and Cheecan have contributed forces to Zogia, but neither have currently impacted the naval engagement. We have recieved reports of a mobilization of Mer des Ennuis naval forces, but they have not yet enterred the war zone."

"Very well, task a sub to take out the orbital weapons. Prepare a missile attack on the Leocardian fleet, discriminate by size. Have all fighters launch as soon as the missiles are away."

"Aye sir."

"Sir, we have recieved go code from Command, the op area is hot."

"Thank you."

Message to the Government of Leocardia
from: the Mondothian Ministry of State
Via: DSL-GS9798

As Leocardia has shown itself to be hostile to the Trinitarian epublic through actions of its armed forces.
Recognizing that Leocardian forces have committed an act of war while flyign the flag of a foreign nation.
Hereby Declares a Formal State of War to exist between The Trinitarian Republic of Mondoth and Leocardia and its allies.

Signed
James Stanwin (Prime Minister)
Muhhamed Qazir (Minister of International Affairs (secstate))
Sabrine Atiya (Minister of the Armed Forces (secdef))
<Seal of the Republic>

The SSGH "Masamune"
The guided missile sub lurked silently beneatht he waves. Its already quiet Magneto-Hydro-Dynamic thrusters even quieter in their nonactive state, letting the sub be propelled only by the ocean currents. Suddenly, a message reaches its long dorsal antennae, specially designed to recieve radio information fromt he extra long wavelengths that were the only ones capable of penetrating hundreds of feet of water.

"Sir, Fire Mission recieved from TACOMFLT. We are ordered to launch depth to deploy ASAT weapons against an orbital mirror type weapon."

"Fire MIssion aye, Misseleer, please arm missile tubes sixteen through twenty and prep for firing."
A minute elapsed as the missileer followed the orders.
"Missile tubes Sixteen, Seventeen, Eighteen, Nineteen and Twenty armed and ready for firing aye."

"Fuse for orbital mirror type weapon in the active or near active state."

"Weapons fused for Orbital Mirror type weapon in armed states Aye."

"Watch officer, bring the boat to missile depth."

With that the officer of the watch quickly brought the ship up to a depth where the inert gas bubbles that protected the missiles from sea water as they launched would not collapse from pressure. Then he signalled that the ship was in position.

"Misseleer, Fire all armed weapons."

"Firing."

Outside the sub, bubbles of nitrogen began to trickle from four of the dorsal hatches. In seconds the bubbles became a torrent, forcing the water out of the area directly above the four silos, the hatches slammed open and four Hydra anti0sattelite missiles burst forth, riding the nitrogen bubble to the surface where their rocket boosters ignited, followed by SCRAMjet engines that would propel them to the edge of the atmosphere. Guided by an internal radar system and links to the Mondothian Sattelite netowrk, the Orbital Mirror was quickly identified and the missiles alterred their course accordingly. Heading a few degrees offset to avoid alerting the mirrors defenses, if any were present, as they reach the edge of the atmosphere, the four missiles tipped over, headed straight for the mirror now. SKipping off the atmosphere the missiles ignited their terminal rocket booseters and plunged straight towards the mirror. Two missiles self detonated just outside the range of most defenses, raining tungsten cubes on the venerable mirror at velocities that would be considered hypersonic in atmosphere,r eady to shatter the mirror into millions of pieces. The other two missile continued on, ready to impact directly on the mirror to help ensure a kill.

OOC: I'm pretty sure I labeled my mirror as secret IC. The whole point was that I was not openly getting involved in the war.

OOC:
Zogia relized what it was and Mondoth found it.

IC:
"Sir", shouted the ships radio operator on duty, "Mondoth has declared war on the side of the Kingdom of Zogia!"
"Battle stations!" Ordered the caption.

The Cheecanian fleet was rady for battle. Only a decleration of war was needed on thr rejectors of peace.

OOC: Cheecan, you cannot have 15 million men in your army if your population is 18 million. We went over this with zogia already (presuming you both are seperate people). Even if everyone is in your military, you cannot field a force nearly that large. Even if you were to field and army of 1 million it would be a bit of a stretch.

The Arch Arsonist sat in a meeting, with three of his cheifs of staff and a foreign policy advisor.

"Gentlemen, I have received word that Leocardia is defending her soil against a hostile force. In addition, we have received word that Vietnamexico has 1.2 million men in Zogia and a large armada in dock. I want the 4th army group (1.9 million men) and the 5th Armored Army Group (213,202 vehicles/helis) to be mobilized, with the 6th doing support operations. Admiral, as soon as Vietnamexico departs Zogian waters, you are to use all 15 fleets to assault the mainland of Zogia. I also want 15 SSNs to take down any shipping operations. We can't take all of Vietnamexico's naval forces, but we can starve their men at sea. Sky Marshal, you are to use any and all long range bombers to destroy what intelligence says are minor defensive installations. General, I want the capital of Zogia seized. If they refuse to submit, I want it razed. Since Zogia claims to be fully militarized, all citizens of that nation are to be declared unlawful combatants, and shot on sight. We will make them bleed, long and painfully. Dismissed."

OOC: Mer Des Ennuis has the following doctrines:
All aircraft carriers are equipped with the sole purpose of destroying Dreadnaughts. Of the 1,200 F/A aircraft I have, all can launch sea-skimming missiles that will dive to heavly damage, if not break, the keel of any SD. In addition, some fire anti-SD torpedos that detonate a tactical nuclear warhead deep underneath the SD. This destroys the keel, causing it to sink almost instantly, and is nearly impossible to counter due to the shear number of torpedos that will be launched at the same time. In addition, radiation will not surface until all combat operations are over, making it even harder to detect. This is because I do not know of any conventional explosive that can do nearly the same amount of damage.

Mer Des Ennuis is heavily armored based, with 17 divisions of Warrior IFVs containing 3,390 vehicals each, 5 HMWWV divisions containing 4,750 HMWWVs each, 8 anti-aircraft divisions of 3,604 each, 20 Divisions of Merkava 4 MBTs (2,060 each), 5 divisions of 4,120 M777A1 field howitzers, 3 divisions of 5,150 HIMARS, and 2 divisions of 5,150 MLRS vehicals. To facilitate airborne operations, Mer Des Ennuis operates 3 divisions of 2,670 AH-64 Apache Longbow helicopters, 4 divisions of 2,670 UH-60 Blackhawks, and 5 divisions of armed Ch-74 Chinooks (with 792 divisions each). Basically, I could land 9 divisions of men via air at once, and transport 17 divisions of men in warriors at a time, or over 210,000 men.

Mer Des Ennuis infantry is broken down to the fireteam level, consisting of 4 men armed with Steyr Aug A3s. 1 has a grenade launcher attached, 2 have A3's in standard rifle configuration, and one has a DMR set up (meaning the designated marksman, like a light non-dedicated sniper. He can provide sniper cover yet move along at the same speed as the rest of the fireteam.) The squad leader is armed with a M-249 SAW, or, in a pinch, an A3 converted to a Light Machine Gun. Combined with armored support, good luck trying to take my army down. Alot of the logistics chain is managed autonomously by CH-47's rapidly moving between mobile bases and forward positions, as well as a variety of heavy trucks. Basically; once I land a force, you are screwed unless you go nuclear. All Steyr Augs are chambered in 6.8 (meaning it can probably punch your body armor).

IC:
Do not tempt us, we are as of now not part of this war past aiding Zogia. Also while our 2 nations are new and so not well known, know this, nether of us will ever sumit.

Over find:
"Okay, our divers have reterned and have reported what thay found.
"It's realy intresting", reported an intel agent.
"Realy?" Replied his boss, "What did thay find?"
"Well", contenued the agent, "thay seam to have found a pice of advanced tech."

OOC:
This is just a side develupment and will proboly lead to a 3rd thread. This is not some starship and so is not godmodding.

OOC: Aeson, It's kind of obvious that there is an orbital mirror somewhere in near orbit when it goes and burns out a carrier. That's not exactly something you can hide.

IC:
To: World
From: Cheecanian Goverment
We have descovered, beneth the sea, a sunken probe.
What it hides we don't know, but we have salviged it and sent it to Cheecan via the CS Wacher.

OOC:
For ferther infomation go to the Probe thread.

OOC: Mer Des Ennuis has the following doctrines:
All aircraft carriers are equipped with the sole purpose of destroying Dreadnaughts. Of the 1,200 F/A aircraft I have, all can launch sea-skimming missiles that will dive to heavly damage, if not break, the keel of any SD. In addition, some fire anti-SD torpedos that detonate a tactical nuclear warhead deep underneath the SD. This destroys the keel, causing it to sink almost instantly, and is nearly impossible to counter due to the shear number of torpedos that will be launched at the same time. In addition, radiation will not surface until all combat operations are over, making it even harder to detect. This is because I do not know of any conventional explosive that can do nearly the same amount of damage.

OOC: Listen, until you can provide me sound research and designs of these weapons, I will not recognize the existence of these weapons, this is a tech godmode unless you can provide designs and research proving it possible

OOC: All that stuff sounds good to me, except that I'm not sure having a sea skimmer dive is such a good idea, and It certainyl wouldn't damage the keel of an SD unless it somehow went under water and detonated with nuclear force.

OOC: All that stuff sounds good to me, except that I'm not sure having a sea skimmer dive is such a good idea, and It certainyl wouldn't damage the keel of an SD unless it somehow went under water and detonated with nuclear force.

I am going to get a neutral authority to come and determine the outlook of this

OOC: It is a conventional weapon. The nuclear ones aren't sea-skimmers, since the missile would be too big. They could only sink a horribly crippled SD, though an explosion at the keel would cause some damage. The entire point is to distract anti-torpedo countermeasures. It isn't unconceivable for a torpedo to start as a sea-skimmer before diving at a set distance, especially if the location of the target is unknown.

Any allies of Zogia want to help me study the probe I found?

OOC: Just want to through this out there: The sea-skimmer to torpedo was something I came up with while chatting on the NS IRC. The consensous was to use sea skimmers with as powerful a conventional torpedo warhead as possible (since it would not be an airburst) to distract the fleet from a nuclear torpedo that detonates below the SD in question. Questers would probably be a good one to ask about this.

OOC: Aeson, It's kind of obvious that there is an orbital mirror somewhere in near orbit when it goes and burns out a carrier. That's not exactly something you can hide.

OOC: Darn. There goes my clever plan. Although secrecy still works in that you wouldn't know it was my orbital mirror. After all, I didn't paint BELONGS TO THE HOLY EMPIRE OF THE AESON on the side.

IC: The mirror shattered. General Blak swore. But then, it doesn't really matter. True, a magnificent device was lost, but several more have been purchased. And our secrecy is maintained.

This time is especially certain that Leocardia will win because they have recently armed themselves the Patroller SD, which is proven to be much better than the Hood MSD.

I repeat, you better not be refering to my Hood.

OOC: It is a conventional weapon. The nuclear ones aren't sea-skimmers, since the missile would be too big. They could only sink a horribly crippled SD, though an explosion at the keel would cause some damage. The entire point is to distract anti-torpedo countermeasures. It isn't unconceivable for a torpedo to start as a sea-skimmer before diving at a set distance, especially if the location of the target is unknown.

Still, the nuetral probe will rule

OOC: It is a conventional weapon. The nuclear ones aren't sea-skimmers, since the missile would be too big. They could only sink a horribly crippled SD, though an explosion at the keel would cause some damage. The entire point is to distract anti-torpedo countermeasures. It isn't unconceivable for a torpedo to start as a sea-skimmer before diving at a set distance, especially if the location of the target is unknown.

So it's like a Sea-Skimming ASROC... that's actually pretty clever. I wish I had thought of that.

OOC:
So, canwe get back on task and get the war moveing?
Oh,off topic. Did you know my goverment want's to ban chees from cheecan?! :D

OOC: I'm personally waiting for Vietnamexico to disembark before I invade Zogia, which would take me about a week to sieze the capital. As for my missiles: Think an AGM SLAMMER modified to drop a Mark 48 ADCAP torpedo (which alone can probably destroy a modern day cruiser, break a destroyer in two, and probably cripple an aircraft carrier. I fear what 20 direct hits from the 600 missiles that would be launched by an all-out carrier assualt in one wave would do to an SD.) much like the ASROC. I also can sub out the warhead on the torpedo to include a W59-esq megaton yield warhead, though i'd probably want to keep that in the kiloton range for obvious reasons. I also failed to mention: I like to use javelin anti-tank missiles and star-streak anti-air missiles with my infantry in large numbers, halting the effectiveness of tanks, light jeeps, helicopters, and close air support. My snipers use either a MSG-90, a reinforced PSG-1, or a Barret M82A1 Light 50 rifle, which will go through any body armor. And, like I said, I am a very big fan of Armor, and, against a small country like Zogia, I am almost guaranteed total air superority.

To: All allies of the Kingdom of Zogia
From: Cheecanian Goverment
So? Is anyone going to help me with this probe? The sooner I learn all of it's secrets, the sooner we can make that mirror weapion used on Zogia's carriers look like a stone spear.

To: Zogian People
From: Cheecanian Goverment
Demand democrocy! Demand it now and demand it always!

OOC: I hope you're not planning to announce that you get alien weaponry and can suddenly use FT tech in a MT/PMT thread.

OOC:
Reread the post that started the probe thing.

IC:
At last the super solders arived on the battlefeild. As thay came ashore the Zogians looked on is aw as thay ran to the front lines.
"Hear thay come!" shouted a solder as the supersolders came into the trench, "And look! Thay keep on going!"
As the new supersolders went into battle The Enemy fired yet failed to bring them down. At last the Zogians move fowored deeper into the city.

OOC:
Thay do go down, just takes about 5-10 hits is all.

OOC: Super soldiers?

OOC:
Ya, not godmodding.
Look up Zogia, you'll see described, 2 meter tall supersolders.

OOC@mer des Ennuis: Cool, I will probably steal some of those ideas for later RPs, but for now, My military does not use any heavy armour and is heavily equipped with ATGMs and FFATM (fire and forget Anti-Tank missiles). It maintains superiority through mobility and stealth. My Snipers use SG-12 caseless 7mm sniper rifles and SG-14 15.5mm caseless Anti-Material Rifles (same role as the barret .50, but bigger, uses caselss rounds so same weight/size though) If you can get air-superiority against my Air-force, you're welcome to it.
I'd love to do a land battle against you though, as an armour heavy force is pretty much what I designed my Military to defeat.

IC:
Message to Mer des Annuis Forces
From: Mondothian 776th task Force
Via: ORL

This is Admiral James Hawlsey of the Mondothian 776th battle fleet, Youa re urged to stand down immediately, Any hostile action taken against Mondothian forces or those currently allied with Mondoth will be construed as an open act of war and will be responded to accordingly.

Message to Zogian Government
From: Mondothian 776th naval task force
Via: ESL-GG98867
Encrypt: Public
Decrypt: ********

The 63rd Marine Airborne Group and 12th Marines Expeditionary Group are currently enroute to your nation, please provide airstrips nar the coastal area for their disembarkation. General Frank Williams will liason between yur defensive forces and our Marines, if you have any question, please direct them to his office for clarification.
Together we can defeat the Leocardians and their allies.

OOC: Mondoth, again, just waiting for a real invasion of Leocardia to start off (esp since he hasn't been on/willing to RP with Zogia) before I commence operations. While I am armor heavy, I am a big fan of artillery, and, since armor is expensive, I'd rather level a city or bomb them into submission than take a full front assault, stopping a hedgehog defence. While ATGMs are good, the Warrior IFV is more-or-less invulnerable to all but the highest level mines and concentrated RPG fire (this is from Real Life combat experience, a Warrior was caught on tape rolling over a mine and not stopping), while the Merkava 4 is ment exclusivley for urban/rough terrain combat, and is armored as such. In addition, though I don't use them for standard combat, I ordered all my HMWVVs to be uparmored, which my supplier had no problem with. If necessary, I can outfit all active divisions with reactive armor, though that is more of a hassel than anything else. What is your airforce composed of? I will most likely use my carrier's JSFs and F/A 18 Super Hornets until I can get F22 raptors in the area, on top of the large amount of anti-air I already use. I also have a large amount of close air support in the form of B-52s, AC-130u's, naval aircraft, and many helicopters. In addition, don't think there is actually anything wrong with using a low-grade nuclear munition to sink an SD, since it could, in theory, be replicated by a more advanced torpedo warhead, though I currently know of no such thing (except for the one I already use, which might be enough to damage a dreadnought, since they do actually split destroyers in half.)

IC
To: Message to Mondothian 776th Task Force
From: Mer des Ennuis Fleet Command
Encoded using diplomatic cypher 4; international

We are currently mobilizing to defend an ally against a clear, unwarranted, unjust act of aggression, and your fleets presence is merely exaspserating the situation. Please withdrawl all forces to peaceful international waters until peace keeping operations, if needed, are to commense. Our stated goal is to soley drive out the invading forces, and we will do so with utmost prejudice. Again, should your fleet enter Leocardian National waters, this will be seen as an unprovoked act of aggression against an ally, and will result in a limited engagement (i.e. I don't want to trade blows with you via land forces, just shoot at you, sink a ship, call it a big international misunderstanding, etc. etc, lets not blow each other to hell here). Please do no hesitate to respond.

Secret:
The 1st bomber wing, made up of all of Mer des Ennuis's 50 B2 Spirit bombers took off carrying long-range guided cluster munitions, launched well out of range of any known SAM. They would be guided by an Exodus GPS satelite, and would strafe across the Zogian lines, decimating all. They would be escorted, if needed, by the combined forces of Mer des Ennuis's navy, composed of 600 JSFs and 600 F/A 18 Super Hornets, several Prowler electronic warfare planes, and as many E2-C hawkeyes as required. The fighters are armed with a variety of anti-ship torpedos and missiles, as well as various cluster munitions in reserve.

The Leocardian Naval Ships were hit by the Zogians. The hull was dented, but not completely. "Those cheap Zogians, throwing rocks at us. FIRE!" The Leocardian Navy fired at the invaders. It was a complete war from navy to the forces in the shores. The Leocardian Defensive Forces were moblized and took heavy fire against the Zogians.

"Taking heavy fire. These cheapasses are using rocks at us!"

"We hear you."

The Leocardians suffered 132 soldiers, but was more than 3 million in the battlefield.

Soon, a swarm of 150 LAF-99 Bombers went in the shores and bombarded the Zogians. The IFV's went in again and fired its machineguns. There was almost no way the Zogians could fire back. The IFV was armored with a thick hull and it would take a while for AP bullets to go through. Attack Helicopters went in the front lines and unloaded their payloads of missiles onto the Zogians. More artillery firepower went out. The snipers of Leocardia reloaded their guns and fired even more.

OOC: Mondoth, I did change the Secret IC to Zogia. But I guess my computer didn't load it so I'm going to make it a quick edit.

Leocardia, we have the sum total of Mer des Ennuisian blue-water naval forces (meaning our Littoral Patrol Boats) are about to enter within striking range of your waters. In addition, we are sending 50 B2 Spirit Stealth bombers to hit Zogian forces with various cluster munitions. If we do not have permission to enter your airspace, please let us know, and, if possible, send GPS coordinates for their main troop concentrations to minimize friendly fire casualties.

OOC: Leo, I'm not sure whats heppening but I still don't see the edit. It's a little late for an edit like that anyway, we'd have to back track quite a bit in the RP...


IC:
Message to Mer des Annuis Forces
From: Mondothian 776th task Force
Via: ORL
Mondoth is defending its own interests and citizens, Leocardia has directly attacked this fleet while flying the flag of a foreign nation. These actions present a clear and present danger to both International Peace efforts as well as the safety of the Trinitarian Republic, its citizens and its allies, such actions cannot be allowed to stand without reprisal. Our quarrel in this situation is not with you, and if you refrain from engaging Mondothian Forces we will not have any reason to engage yours.

OOC2: will wait for Zogia to let my ground troops in for now.
My airforce is all Native designs. You can check out my storefront for information on the export versions of these aircraft (except PC-26 and B-7, which are not for sale in nay version, I can get you specs if you want.)
Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=385183&page=1&pp=15)
The Storefront also has specs on my infantry equipments export versions. (I don't use much of the ground equipment other than the infantry stuff and the IFVs/Tempest. I also don't use much of the Naval stuff from that site either)

Like I said, if we go to ground against each-other, it wil be quite interesting, even if it doesn't happen in this war, might be worth it to have a wargame or soemthing.

OOC: Maybe a limited wargame (1 corps maximum, which ends up being 1 armored corps and 1 infantry corps with the way I work everything) after this? And are your planes stealth at all? I know the JSF is, most of my bombers are to a degree, and i think the Superhornet can be masked to a degree through prowlers.

IC:

To: Message to Mondothian 776th Task Force
From: Mer des Ennuis Fleet Command
Encoded using diplomatic cypher 4; international

Understood, we will avoid engaging Mondothian forces if at all possible. However, if your units are found to be engaging Leocardian forces while we are in the area, we will be forced to respond against that particular unit.

From: Zogian Goverment
To: Mondothan Goverment
Go ahead and land. We will free up some space for your forces.

"Takeing hevey fire!"
"Understood, we are sending in are naval fighters. Exepect air cover momentaraly."
"Understood. Out!"
This was the extange on the radio 4 minites before Zogian bombs fell on The Enemy's navy.
On shore the Zogia's regeler and supersolders moved on despite takeing hevey loses, fiering at all targets in range.
The Enemy contenued to resist with little efect as Zogian troops refused to retreat.
The depleted Uranium shells contenued to pound the city.

OOC: The wargame sounds good.
The SX-24 is very stealthy and most of my other fighters have at least some degree of low-observability incorporated into their design. And the B-7 is an NSgen strategic bomber, very stealthy.
IC:

A few hours after the go-ahead was given, the first C-204 touched down and unloaded. The marines almost litterally jumped out while the plane was still moving, dragging equipment and vehicles with them, moving fast to clear room for the next transport. Many of the massive cargo aircraft didn't land at all, instead dropping units and equipment by parachute to leave the airfields open for heavier gear. Within Twenty-Four hours, both the 63rd and 12th marines were on the ground in Zogia preparing to mobilise a defense.

With the marines in position on Zogia, it was time for the 776th battlegroup to mobilise. While waiting for hte marines, the fleet had recieved a small number of reinforcements with more on the way.

The first move was to establish immediate air-supremacy, to this end the fleets four carriers launched their embarked IF/A-14 interceptors and SX-24 strike fighters. Both were more than capable as Air-superiority fighters (which is good, becasue I'm currently re-evaluating my Air-Superiority fighter) and quickly took to the skies. E/A-20 AAWACs aircraft rapidly evaluated the aerial situation and began angling fighters in for attacks against the Leocardian air-force. The first wave int he attack was AIM-197LR BVM Missiles, each missile had a range of well over 200km and had 6 sub-attack munitions (like a beefed up starstreak A2A missile). The missiles could be targetted against one enemy aircraft, in which case all six sub-atack munitions would seperate and strike at the enemy fighter, or against small groups of enemy aircraft in which as few as two sub-attack munitions would be tasked to attack each target (up to a maximum of three per missile) The missiles were deadly fast and maneuverable and with both a terminal MMW hi/low band seeker, and the ability to accept guidance input from the circling AAWACs, the missiles were very tenacious.

Leocardia, we have the sum total of Mer des Ennuisian blue-water naval forces (meaning our Littoral Patrol Boats) are about to enter within striking range of your waters. In addition, we are sending 50 B2 Spirit Stealth bombers to hit Zogian forces with various cluster munitions. If we do not have permission to enter your airspace, please let us know, and, if possible, send GPS coordinates for their main troop concentrations to minimize friendly fire casualties.

All allies of Leocardia will have permission.

From: Zogian Goverment
To: Mondothan Goverment
Go ahead and land. We will free up some space for your forces.

"Takeing hevey fire!"
"Understood, we are sending in are naval fighters. Exepect air cover momentaraly."
"Understood. Out!"
This was the extange on the radio 4 minites before Zogian bombs fell on The Enemy's navy.
On shore the Zogia's regeler and supersolders moved on despite takeing hevey loses, fiering at all targets in range.
The Enemy contenued to resist with little efect as Zogian troops refused to retreat.
The depleted Uranium shells contenued to pound the city.

How exactly are you going to bring up naval fighters and your navy, when you haven't even gotten through my navy yet?

OOC: The wargame sounds good.
The SX-24 is very stealthy and most of my other fighters have at least some degree of low-observability incorporated into their design. And the B-7 is an NSgen strategic bomber, very stealthy.
IC:

A few hours after the go-ahead was given, the first C-204 touched down and unloaded. The marines almost litterally jumped out while the plane was still moving, dragging equipment and vehicles with them, moving fast to clear room for the next transport. Many of the massive cargo aircraft didn't land at all, instead dropping units and equipment by parachute to leave the airfields open for heavier gear. Within Twenty-Four hours, both the 63rd and 12th marines were on the ground in Zogia preparing to mobilise a defense.

With the marines in position on Zogia, it was time for the 776th battlegroup to mobilise. While waiting for hte marines, the fleet had recieved a small number of reinforcements with more on the way.

The first move was to establish immediate air-supremacy, to this end the fleets four carriers launched their embarked IF/A-14 interceptors and SX-24 strike fighters. Both were more than capable as Air-superiority fighters (which is good, becasue I'm currently re-evaluating my Air-Superiority fighter) and quickly took to the skies. E/A-20 AAWACs aircraft rapidly evaluated the aerial situation and began angling fighters in for attacks against the Leocardian air-force. The first wave int he attack was AIM-197LR BVM Missiles, each missile had a range of well over 200km and had 6 sub-attack munitions (like a beefed up starstreak A2A missile). The missiles could be targetted against one enemy aircraft, in which case all six sub-atack munitions would seperate and strike at the enemy fighter, or against small groups of enemy aircraft in which as few as two sub-attack munitions would be tasked to attack each target (up to a maximum of three per missile) The missiles were deadly fast and maneuverable and with both a terminal MMW hi/low band seeker, and the ability to accept guidance input from the circling AAWACs, the missiles were very tenacious.

The Group of 'Patrolling Leocardians' sighted the enemy fighters.

"Enemy fighter jets, incoming!" One pilot of the Leocardian LAF-5637 Fighter radioed HQ.

"This is HQ, we copy. How many?"

"A couple hundred."

"We copy that. Reinforcements on the way."

The Leocardian fighters fought hard against the Mondothian airforce, though because they were only patrollers they were not put to the position of endangering their lives and putting this much firepower on the enemy. They were inexperienced recruit pilots that were patrolling just to gain experience. 18 of 150 fighters of Leocardia were forced to shut off while in midair, the pilots couldn't handle it. The other 21 were shot down.

"Heavy Aerial Fire! They're using advanced missiles!"

"HQ, don't worry Leocardia has advanced missiles too."

The Leocardian recruits did effort also to the Mondothian airforce, P-574 missiles were launched at the Mondothian aircrafts, as well as the recruits purposely going high speeds directly toward the Mondothians as suicide kamikazis.

OOC:
Remember my last carrier scrambled it's fighters before the fight deck was taken out. Tha landed in Cheecan after hiting your navy and have now reterned to the battle from Cheecanian bases.

IC:
The Zogian contenued to move into the city leaveing behind the beach and goverment district. But as with them, The Enemy wouldn't retreat and so both sides took hevey loses.

From: Zogian Press Corps
To: The goverments invoveld in the Zogian-Leocardian War
The Enemy has not backed down and is doing it's utmost to stall the Zogian advance.
Current calsalty reports are as follows:
Zogia- 2,569 dead, 255 wounded, 8 missing, 4 recovered, 10 tanks destroyed
Cheecan- 200 dead, 6 wounded, 1 missing
The Enemy- 1,546 dead (estemated), 1/3 of that wounded (estemated), 80 ceptuered, 2 ecapes

Next report will come as the situation contenues.

Like ghosts in the night, 50 B2 bombers drifted through the sky, appearing to be the size of a frisbee to any radar screens that managed to pick them up. At 110 kilometers (10 kilometers short of maximum range) away from the beach head, they launched 800 AMG-154-a cluster munititions at points specified by Leocardian Command, and were guided by the Exodus military satelite they had in the region. Each of the Joint Standoff Weapons that were launched would drop 145 submuntitions freaturing shaped charges, fragmenting cases, and an incenidary ring. It would rip through armor and man alike, leaving few survivors. Within 5 minutes, the bombers had turned around and were heading home.

OOC: zogia, considering using microsoft word to spell check your posts before hand.

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OOC: Zogia: I hit your beachheads on Leocardia. I highly doubt that i would have hit your civilians in Zogia.

The Fleet

"Sir, enemy missile strike on Zogias beach-head in Leocardia, Analysis shows what may be as many as 50 stealth bombers of unknown nationality"

"Tightent he Air security perimeter, I dont want anything larger than a gnat getting within missile range of any of our ships."

"Yes sir, elevating the Air-Defense networks alert status. once the multi-static recievers are set, we should have total coverage."

"Good."

The Multi-static recievers were small buoys that recieved special radar signals which would scatter in a specific way off of stealth aircraft. Since most stealth aircraft are designed to scatter radar signals away from the tranmsmitter, having the reciever located several miles distant allowed it to recieve radar signals bounced off stealth aircraft from a special transmitter. The buoys relayed contacts from this system back to the fleets defensive network via the fleets regular secure communications network.


The Air Battke

Seeing the enemy patrols turning and running, the Mondothians gave chase but quickly thought better of it as missiels and aircraft came flying back at them. The Thundercat interceptorslaunched more AIM-197LR BVMs at the on rushing figters before dumping flack and flares and taking evasive action as the missiles arrived. Unfortunately, the combined countermeasures and evasive actions were not enough for some of the pilots and 11 were forced to bail out, leaving their planes to hurtle into the sea below leaving flaming comet like tails to mark their passage. A further 4 didn't even get the chance to bail out, instead being instantly immolated.
The SX-24s fared much better, using the full extent of their stealthy profile, they snuck in just above the wave-tops, easily avoiding th emissiles that went after the easier IF/A-14 targets. Sneaking in beneath the enemies radar coverage, the SX-24s popped up just ahead of the Leocardian aircraft and launched highly maneuverable AIM-197 missiles, like their larger long range counter parts, the AIM-197s included powerful sub-attack munitions to attack enemy fighters with greater probability of success than a single warhead. but instead of six, the smaller missiles carried only three of the deadly dart like sub-attak munitions, and could only attack one aircraft per missile. The sorter ranged, smaller weapons made up for these short-comings with a sickening maneuverability and speed that made them very difficult to avoid.

As the battle rages in the city and off the coast an unexpected supprise comes. Missles and bullets rain down on The Enemy's fleet as 2 Zogian carriers, newly repared and deployed, approch the battle.

The Leocardian President had no choice but release it's space weaponry on the Zogian, Cheecanian, Mondothian, and Vietnamexican forces. It's was time that modern has turned to advanced technological warfare. It was time for the L.O.S.E., a space weaponry produced and researched by Leocardia, very similiar compared to the AMF's HOUND. It aimed at the four countries and launched the power missile beam toward the four countries. The result: the countries' center of the nation would become a huge crater.

To: Enemies of Leocardia
From: Leocardia

We hold the most threatening weapon in this war. Turn down now, before its too late for you. Leave now, or else.

Leocardian Military Operations Command Center

As the battle rages in the city and off the coast an unexpected supprise comes. Missles and bullets rain down on The Enemy's fleet as 2 Zogian carriers, newly repared and deployed, approch the battle.

The reinforcements of Zogia came. The Leo SD saw it approaching by radar. "Enemy carriers." The radarmen said to the captain. "Fire the uranium-radiated hypersonic missiles at them and the fleets." The SD fired a payload of them. Flying, blazing, and heading for the Zogia's way. "Prove why they shouldn't mess with a superpower."

IC:
The newly instaled AM batteries opened up on incomeing missles takeing all but 1 down. The ZNS High Flier's portside hall suffered hevey damege from the impacting missle but survived due to the fact that it hit above the waterline.

OOC:
Do you think I wouldn't advance as the war went on? Come on, think.

IC:
The Zogians pushed on deeper and deeper into the city and managed to also land a beachead at a nearby port. The Zogian Navy contenued to shell The Enemy's land and naval forces with depleted Uranium shells resalting in massive damege on the enemy side.

To: Cheecainian People
From: Cheecanian News Network
Zogian forces have suffered hevey loses at the hands of Leocardia, however are makeing progress and have almost taken thare 1st city.
Zogian High Command has also lanched a bold plan to open up a port for the full scale invation of Leocardia and have established a beachead and have lanched an attack on the port itself. Once this is compleated, we have been informed, Zogian forces as well as the forces of thare allies will land the most massive force this war has yet seen and will take the city that acompanies the port.
If the port city falls, as is hoped by Zogia and thare allies, an invation worthy of the word will comence.
President Volorn had this to say, "If anyone attacks the Republic of Cheecan, thay will be destoryed and Cheecan will grow rich from the spoils! If, however, thay leave us be and do not commit what the Cheecainian Goverment considers a war crim, we will remain nothing more then an observer to this war."
In responce to the threat of WMD being used ay 1 or both sides, Cheecanian forces have been put on Alert Condition 1, it's highest setting.

Propoganda Leaflets
To: Leocardian People
From: Cheecanian Goverment
Surrender to Zogia and thare allies and you will be given the best aid money can buy to rebuild your lives.
Leocardia would have you as slaves, we would have you as equles.
Zogia and thare allies come not as conquers, but as liberators that seek to punish your vile goverment for it's crimes on the Kingdom of Zogia during it's time of need.

OOC: is there a link that describes either HOUND or L.O.S.E.? or can you giveme more detail at least?

OOC:
What are you talking about?

OOC: Generally a country does have a major technological breakthrough during an RP to prevent godmodding Zogia. I also had my wisdom teeth pulled today, and i'm doped up on Oxycodone, so i appologize if this post is confusing.

the following was written in Enochian and encoded with Class 1 Diplomatic Cyphers. It has been translated to be legible. Secret Comminique:
To: Mondoth High Command
From: Mer Des Ennuis High Command
Subject: Zogian Invasion

We feel that this war has gone on long enough. We are going to be making as many moves as possible using decisive air strikes, naval strikes, and ground forces. We would appreciate your cooperation in these matters. While we can understand your commitment to your smaller allies, we wish to merely expell an aggressor to facilitate a peace treaty. Reports from Leocardia indicate illegal murders of civilians and the use of illegially modified "super soldiers." If we commit forces soley to expell Zogia, will you be an enemy or a friend?

This time is especially certain that Leocardia will win because they have recently armed themselves the Patroller SD, which is proven to be much better than the Hood MSD.

I repeat for the third time, you better not be refering to my Hood.

From: King Zoger
To: All nations invovled in the Zogian-Leocardian War
We only invade for we were invaded.
We only kill becuse we are killed.
We do not kill true civilians.
All civilians we kill are not true civilians for thay fight to destroy the just Kingdom of Zogia.
Civilians don't fight in wars.

I repeat for the third time, you better not be refering to my Hood.

It's not.

IC:
The newly instaled AM batteries opened up on incomeing missles takeing all but 1 down. The ZNS High Flier's portside hall suffered hevey damege from the impacting missle but survived due to the fact that it hit above the waterline.

OOC:
Do you think I wouldn't advance as the war went on? Come on, think.

IC:
The Zogians pushed on deeper and deeper into the city and managed to also land a beachead at a nearby port. The Zogian Navy contenued to shell The Enemy's land and naval forces with depleted Uranium shells resalting in massive damege on the enemy side.

OOC: You can't be that advanced unless your a FT nation. You military budget can't even support all your army, especially when its under an economy like yours. To be honest, I'm not even sure it your military budget can even support all that your RPing.

OOC: is there a link that describes either HOUND or L.O.S.E.? or can you giveme more detail at least?

The HOUND is comparable to the firepower of a meteor. When it hits its target, it created a large crater at the target. A crater that can probably be the size of the distance from Long Beach to Sacramento.

Although, a LOSE, which is a smaller, similiar version of the HOUND. And is created by Leocardian researchers, not AMF.

IC:
The newly instaled AM batteries opened up on incomeing missles takeing all but 1 down. The ZNS High Flier's portside hall suffered hevey damege from the impacting missle but survived due to the fact that it hit above the waterline.

OOC:
Do you think I wouldn't advance as the war went on? Come on, think.

IC:
The Zogians pushed on deeper and deeper into the city and managed to also land a beachead at a nearby port. The Zogian Navy contenued to shell The Enemy's land and naval forces with depleted Uranium shells resalting in massive damege on the enemy side.

The Zogians made effort, but wasn't enough. The Leocardian forces clearly surrounded the Zogian forces. Locked them in a sieged position. In the sieged position, the Leocardian forces fired their RPGs at the Zogians and pushed inward, closing the circle to an even smaller amount. The Army of Zogia would die out immediately.

Neogiations were slow and unprogressful. It was time for the LOSE to be fired. The LOSE aimed at Zogia's center of the country and fired. It was now the end of Zogia.

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To: Zogia
From: LMOCC

It's your revalation. Your beginning has started, your end is soon. Soon, your lands will be enslaved by the Leocardians. You failed to neogociate with us before the battle, now you must be the consquences of wasting our lives to protect the liberties of Leocardia. And you sons of a bitch calls yourselves liberators. You are a disgrace to mankind. Fall back and be under Leocardia's rule now, or prepare to be LOSE-ed.
=====
To: Allies of Zogia
From: LMOCC

The revelation of Zogia is coming soon. You will experience first-hand of what happens to enemies of Leocardia would decides to makes the choice of invading, instead of negociations. The Zogians will be enslaved and conquered by Leocardia, home of the Leocardians! Back down and pay for our losses, and you will be safe. Otherwise, we will give you a torture beating from the feelings of the dead Leocardians who died for the country.

LMOCC

OOC: pray tell, what exactly is a lose/hound? Like how does it work?

IC:
With the attack on Zogia's interior, a masive lake, for the Kingdom of Zogia was a a land of islands, massive waves came flooding over the meney coast lines killing meney.
In responce Zogia sent in it's Shadow Forces and pulled all Zogian forces out to sea a few days later. Within menets musshroom clouds came forth from the sewers of The Enemy's citys, placed thare by the Shadow Forces.

From: King Zoger
To: The Enemy Scum
Surrender! We will never submit! As fore the negostiation we know not of what you speak, for when the Republic of Cheecan offered this vary chorse you ingnored them!

OOC:
This is NOT godmodding. So, don't even try. We have had nukes for ages but wouldn't use them unless hit by a WMD 1st. Now that that has pased you have been radeated all along your coast and major goverment and tradeing centers. Over 20 of your largest citys now lay in ruin.
As for the Shadow Forces, think of the U.S.A.'s Navy Seals, we, despite what you think, are nether poor nor a 3rd World nation. We are an economicly stable nation and are an advaced 2nd World to primitive 1st World nation.

IC:
With the attack on Zogia's interior, a masive lake, for the Kingdom of Zogia was a a land of islands, massive waves came flooding over the meney coast lines killing meney.
In responce Zogia sent in it's Shadow Forces and pulled all Zogian forces out to sea a few days later. Within menets musshroom clouds came forth from the sewers of The Enemy's citys, placed thare by the Shadow Forces.

From: King Zoger
To: The Enemy Scum
Surrender! We will never submit! As fore the negostiation we know not of what you speak, for when the Republic of Cheecan offered this vary chorse you ingnored them!

OOC:
This is NOT godmodding. So, don't even try. We have had nukes for ages but wouldn't use them unless hit by a WMD 1st. Now that that has pased you have been radeated all along your coast and major goverment and tradeing centers. Over 20 of your largest citys now lay in ruin.
As for the Shadow Forces, think of the U.S.A.'s Navy Seals, we, despite what you think, are nether poor nor a 3rd World nation. We are an economicly stable nation and are an advaced 2nd World to primitive 1st World nation.

OOC: Actually.. despite the fact that you possess WMDs, doesn't mean that you can smuggle them into Leo's cities. It's godmodding to claim you hit him automaticly with your weapons.

zogia, it would be godmodding to claim that you had enough nuclear weapons that just mysetiously appeared in Leocardian cities and destroyed them. Your defence budget is 38,713,545,000.00, which isn't enough to really put up any kind of strong fight, especially if your capital is suddenly taken out. In addition, your economy is only good, and your GDP per capita is $6,193, just above the threshold to transition from a low life expectancy resulting from contageous disease. To put this in perspective, your nation is a large version of peru, or a small version of Red China, depending on how you look at things. I highly doubt you could have working massive nuclear arms with those statistics.

OOC:
I don't know if you know the movie, but hear it goes. In Starship Troopers, to be a citizen you must fight. Well I'm like that, my solders fight for free. So my buget can go entierly into any civian and/or military program I want. In other words I have plenty of money and you didn't hit my capital, did't you read my post? All you his was water, even if the resalting wave damaged my shoreline.

OOC: You can have all the money you want, its still GodModing to smuggle nukes into an enemy country and detonate them without letting your enemy counter it.
And, armies never 'fight for free' even if you've somehow convinced them to fight without pay (unlikely, even in a Starship troopers style 'fight to vote' system. The soldiers in Starship troopers were still payed.) then you still have to Feed them, give them ammunition, repair there equipment, give them medical support, support any families they might have and otherwise support them.

OOC2: My computer is fried, posts will not be coming often for a couple of days. I'm on a public terminal for now, but I don't always have access to one.

OOC:
I don't know if you know the movie, but hear it goes. In Starship Troopers, to be a citizen you must fight. Well I'm like that, my solders fight for free. So my buget can go entierly into any civian and/or military program I want. In other words I have plenty of money and you didn't hit my capital, did't you read my post? All you his was water, even if the resalting wave damaged my shoreline.

so you don't have anything remotely like a city? And, as said before, there is no such thing as a "free" army. You cannot just divert money where ever you want, decide to push 90% of your government budget into the military? Then your people will suffer. Moving all your budget into domestic programs? Your tanks will fall apart, your planes will run out of fuel, and your ships will not float.

OOC:
I don't know if you know the movie, but hear it goes. In Starship Troopers, to be a citizen you must fight. Well I'm like that, my solders fight for free. So my buget can go entierly into any civian and/or military program I want. In other words I have plenty of money and you didn't hit my capital, did't you read my post? All you his was water, even if the resalting wave damaged my shoreline.

OOC: So you spend 0 dollars for training, 0 dollars for equipping, 0 dollars for ammunition, 0 dollars for feeding the soldiers, 0 dollars to house them and 0 dollars for their medical needs? That's the only way you're going to get a "free" soldier. Of course, it's going to be an untrained mob of non-uniformed, stick-wielding skinny people who aren't very clean.

Presuming you could have 100% of your population (meaning you were being funded from outside), you would only have $2,995.38 of your currency to spend per soldier. However, your economy isn't too good, so its safer to say you would only have $1,023 per soldier. Basically, your equipment would be sub-soviet, your men would barely be able to eat, and would probably have only a cursory amount of training. Just to give you an idea, i have $157,265 to spend per soldier in all of my branches (though that would be a gross overstatement) in US currency alone. Also, your economy is guaranteed to collapse if all your citizens are military, meaning you will have even less to spend.

Presuming you could have 100% of your population (meaning you were being funded from outside), you would only have $2,995.38 of your currency to spend per soldier. However, your economy isn't too good, so its safer to say you would only have $1,023 per soldier. Basically, your equipment would be sub-soviet, your men would barely be able to eat, and would probably have only a cursory amount of training. Just to give you an idea, i have $157,265 to spend per soldier in all of my branches (though that would be a gross overstatement) in US currency alone. Also, your economy is guaranteed to collapse if all your citizens are military, meaning you will have even less to spend.


Thank you!

His army wouldn't be able to afford all the things he fired at me. Especially when he mentioned about special forces. Where are the Zogians going to find all those weapons without money? A well-funded army is 5% of the population. But 100% of your population as your army? I'm pretty sure all those soldiers would only carry pistols, if you put in the expenses for Navy, Airforce, and then the separate divisions. The Zogian forces wouldn't even have food to eat.

OOC: Chances are Zogia has finally realized how much of a fool he's been and wants this topic to just disappear.

IC:
With the attack on Zogia's interior, a masive lake, for the Kingdom of Zogia was a a land of islands, massive waves came flooding over the meney coast lines killing meney.
In responce Zogia sent in it's Shadow Forces and pulled all Zogian forces out to sea a few days later. Within menets musshroom clouds came forth from the sewers of The Enemy's citys, placed thare by the Shadow Forces.

From: King Zoger
To: The Enemy Scum
Surrender! We will never submit! As fore the negostiation we know not of what you speak, for when the Republic of Cheecan offered this vary chorse you ingnored them!

OOC:
This is NOT godmodding. So, don't even try. We have had nukes for ages but wouldn't use them unless hit by a WMD 1st. Now that that has pased you have been radeated all along your coast and major goverment and tradeing centers. Over 20 of your largest citys now lay in ruin.
As for the Shadow Forces, think of the U.S.A.'s Navy Seals, we, despite what you think, are nether poor nor a 3rd World nation. We are an economicly stable nation and are an advaced 2nd World to primitive 1st World nation.


OOC: This IS godmoding. So I'm going to try. You can't sneak nuclear arsenals in my country and expect my forces, who are patrolling the coast and using powerful scanning satiellite radar, to not catch you sneaking them in. You can't even RP a nuclear attack without letting me have the chance to RP my losses and what my nuclear defense does to your nuclear weapons.

As for the Shadow Forces, I can't think of the Navy Seals. First of all, your 'Shadow Forces' wouldn't be able to crawl in my shores because my shores are patrolled every few minutes, if you haven't read all of my first few posts of my thread. Second of all, yes, YOU ARE POOR... How do I know?

1. 100% of your population is your army.
- That includes Airforce, Navy, and Infantry.
- Where is the money going to come from when you have a puny economy, as well as paying for all the expenses for you army, which is 100% of your population?

2. Your economy is unstable.
- If you whole population is your army, who will be doing the business in your country? Who would be there to work in the trading ports? No one. Your whole population is in the military.

3. You claim to have 'nuclear weapons'.
- If you were to have nuclear weapons, you would spend a couple billions of dollars to pay maintenence and storage for the nuclear weapons.

Your poor, your economy is unstable, your citizens are treated with disrespect, and your whole population is your army. WOW. I won't be surprised if a rebel breaks out in your country.

OOC: It is a conventional weapon. The nuclear ones aren't sea-skimmers, since the missile would be too big. They could only sink a horribly crippled SD, though an explosion at the keel would cause some damage. The entire point is to distract anti-torpedo countermeasures. It isn't unconceivable for a torpedo to start as a sea-skimmer before diving at a set distance, especially if the location of the target is unknown.

Still, godmode until you show research

Still, godmode until you show research

OOC: I'm personally waiting for Vietnamexico to disembark before I invade Zogia, which would take me about a week to sieze the capital. As for my missiles: Think an AGM SLAMMER modified to drop a Mark 48 ADCAP torpedo (which alone can probably destroy a modern day cruiser, break a destroyer in two, and probably cripple an aircraft carrier. I fear what 20 direct hits from the 600 missiles that would be launched by an all-out carrier assualt in one wave would do to an SD.) much like the ASROC. I also can sub out the warhead on the torpedo to include a W59-esq megaton yield warhead, though i'd probably want to keep that in the kiloton range for obvious reasons.

All those are real weapons, its just a matter of modifying them to hold the Mark 48. What kind of research do you want me to do? Acquire a bunch of SLAMMERS and Mk. 48's, do millions, if not billions of money on research to make sure it launches exactly right, and test them on a Missouri Battleship for you? The Mk. 48 has been proven to split a 2,700 ton destroyer in half. The Mk 48 ADCAP weighs 1,676 kilos, is a real-life keel breaker. The F/A 18 superhornet can hold 8,050 kg. An AGM slammer weighs 519 kg, but I use a modified, newer version. I just modify the slammer to make it carry a bigger payload, afterall, the weapon is almost 30 years old, it stands to reason I could have a new and improved one built. Satisifed?

All those are real weapons, its just a matter of modifying them to hold the Mark 48. What kind of research do you want me to do? Acquire a bunch of SLAMMERS and Mk. 48's, do millions, if not billions of money on research to make sure it launches exactly right, and test them on a Missouri Battleship for you? The Mk. 48 has been proven to split a 2,700 ton destroyer in half. The Mk 48 ADCAP weighs 1,676 kilos, is a real-life keel breaker. The F/A 18 superhornet can hold 8,050 kg. An AGM slammer weighs 519 kg, but I use a modified, newer version. I just modify the slammer to make it carry a bigger payload, afterall, the weapon is almost 30 years old, it stands to reason I could have a new and improved one built. Satisifed?

Give designs, specs, sketchs, and then I will have my tech buddy mark his seal of approval on it, that is, if it is plausible

The government of New Feluca would like to know if Leocardia requires anything for the persual of this war. We are currently considering providing up to 1,500 Starfall ABM/AA systems.

Give designs, specs, sketchs, and then I will have my tech buddy mark his seal of approval on it, that is, if it is plausible
Can you explain to me why such a system is not plausible in the first place? I'm using updated real-life equipment, and i'm not an engineer. But, if i have to, i'll ask someone to design a variant of it that would work.

Can you explain to me why such a system is not plausible in the first place? I'm using updated real-life equipment, and i'm not an engineer. But, if i have to, i'll ask someone to design a variant of it that would work.

OOC: Frankly, he doesn't even have an opinion dude. This guy isn't even involved in the story as far as I know. Just ignore him, Ennuis.

OOC: He is supposed to have an uber l@rg3 f133t in Zogia, and these missiles are supposed to be SD killers (since sea skimmers are absurdly hard to detect and shoot down, and the mass of torpedos would make it even harder for comparably slower anti-torpedo countermeasures to stop it.)

OOC: He is supposed to have an uber l@rg3 f133t in Zogia, and these missiles are supposed to be SD killers (since sea skimmers are absurdly hard to detect and shoot down, and the mass of torpedos would make it even harder for comparably slower anti-torpedo countermeasures to stop it.)

OOC: Heh. So basicly, he's refusing to acknowledge a slightly larger version of a real-world missile/torpedo? Pretty typical. I'd demand schematics of his ships. And sketches. And engineering plans. Certified by a real engineer.

OOC: Yes, the SLAMMER is the harpoon missile, which is air launchable. Since it is so old, I'll say i updated it with lighter, stronger materials, better guidance systems, better fuel mixtures, etc. Like the ASROC, it will drop a variant of the Mk. 48, which split a 2,700 escort destroyer in two (literally) during a test. The W59 nuclear bomb is a mega-ton yield torpedo, though I don't think I want to use such a huge weapon against an SD, since a strategically placed kiloton yield will still do wonders. The Mk. 48 is a keel breaking torpedo in real life as well.

1) You do know that this started as a civil war, right?
2) How meney time do I have to say this? All my citizens are military, not all are active, so I do have an economy.
3) If, in the real world, a WMD was used on you, would you not fight for free to destroy them?

1) You do know that this started as a civil war, right?
2) How meney time do I have to say this? All my citizens are military, not all are active, so I do have an economy.
3) If, in the real world, a WMD was used on you, would you not fight for free to destroy them?

1) Doesn't matter.
2) Unrealistic.
3) No matter how righteous you think you are, you can't godmode.

1) You do know that this started as a civil war, right?
2) How meney time do I have to say this? All my citizens are military, not all are active, so I do have an economy.
3) If, in the real world, a WMD was used on you, would you not fight for free to destroy them?

1) I dunno, this seemed to start as an out-of-no-where invasion
2) Either way, your budget is too small for the type of military you claim to be fielding now with the tech you claim to be fielding (super soldiers, uranium tipped shells, etc.)
3) As said ad nauseum, there is no such thing as a "free soldier" since, even without a salary, there are a multitude of costs associated with fielding an army.

1) You do know that this started as a civil war, right?
2) How meney time do I have to say this? All my citizens are military, not all are active, so I do have an economy.
3) If, in the real world, a WMD was used on you, would you not fight for free to destroy them?

1. No, I don't. It didn't start as a civil war. It started FROM a civil war.

2. All of your citizens are in the military, not all are active. How can your economy support all those soldiers? Food, training, equipment, and vehicles.

3. Not really. I'd volunteer though, but your country can't support the whole population. You military budget is $14 billion. How can you support your whole population with just that? I have a budget of over a trillion, and I only have 5 million soldiers.

The government of New Feluca would like to know if Leocardia requires anything for the persual of this war. We are currently considering providing up to 1,500 Starfall ABM/AA systems.

Leocardia will consider not taking these useful defensive systems. However, we would accept aid in training the new military recruits of Leocardia after the war. Many elite soldiers are now gone, due to this invasion.

OOC: You know what? I'm just going to end this.

IC:

The LOSE successfully hit the surface of Zogia, creating a massive larger crater on the surface, far more than the original creators of the LOSE thought they had. Zogia, now, is a big crater which is fully radiated. Their survivors won't last long either, the land of to radiated, mutation occured and none of the people that survived this can ever reproduce. All the soldiers in Zogia died, and there's no way they're coming back. Special Mutant Ninja Turtles of Leocardia's High Command were sent in the crowd of Zogian forces in Leocardia and swiftly cut off all their heads off.

Leocardia now claims victory, and Zogia has become Leocardian territory. Zogia, now sitting in radiated ruins, is now a tourist landmark of Leocardia's first dumb enemy who tried to invade them, but didn't succeed. Special Ally Tours are being held everyday, just give me a call.

Zogia is open for anybody to politically control, because it would be such a waste to clean up all the radiation, especially when it was once an enemy.

OOC: I godmoded on this. I feel right, because Zogia's posts were never edited, nor did he mention any change to his godmoding, warmongering posts. I think we need to refound the WMNK Coalition.

I'd say you godmodded all right and you never edit your post ether!
Oh, and this war is over?
1) Zogia's navy is still pounding you,
2) Zogia had an allied fleet in a harbor, so if you don't delete that post you will face a much stronger enemy and
3) the Kingdom of Zogia is an island chain, so if you realy hit them so hard to wipe out the entier nation, the wave alone would take out all the Pacific.

if this war was conducted under false pretenses (the quality of Zogian military forces), and had godmodding prevlant throughout (high troop cocentrations + massive aerial bombings leads to only 2,000 deaths, supersoldiers, depleted uranium shells? mobilized army that large?), then isn't this entire thread more or less null?

I'd say you godmodded all right and you never edit your post ether!
Oh, and this war is over?
1) Zogia's navy is still pounding you,
2) Zogia had an allied fleet in a harbor, so if you don't delete that post you will face a much stronger enemy and
3) the Kingdom of Zogia is an island chain, so if you realy hit them so hard to wipe out the entier nation, the wave alone would take out all the Pacific.

OOC:
1) Doesn't matter. Zogia is a godmodder.
2) Doesn't matter. If the 'allies' want a fight, they can come fight ME. Leocardia is ignoring the lot of you.
3) Wrong. Just.. heh. Hyodrophysically incorrect statement.

OOC: He is supposed to have an uber l@rg3 f133t in Zogia, and these missiles are supposed to be SD killers (since sea skimmers are absurdly hard to detect and shoot down, and the mass of torpedos would make it even harder for comparably slower anti-torpedo countermeasures to stop it.)

Hey buddy, go look up my pop, and then look up my military spending on NS economy. It is plausible, and I have made designs for everything that I use, it is standard operating procedure.

(as asked by a participating nation)

Mer Des Ennuis...

Your diving sea-skimmers are practically impossible.

Reason One: You cannot crash a missile into something at any significant speed (above 300mph) or so without it suffering serious structural damage, unless you armored the missile, which would massively reduce range, which I'll get to in a bit. But basically, if your missile wants to evade CIWS fire (yes, there are systems that can detect sea skimming missiles), it has to be faster than it can be if it was to dive under the water.

Reason Two: Your missile would stop dead in the water unless you landed it from a hundred yards or so (probably less). Rocket engines do NOT work very well underwater for accurate movement, which is why torpedoes do not USE rocket engines with the exception of the Shkval, which is completely different because it is supercavitating. Your missile however, would just smash into the water, and if it survived at all it would be effectively immobile. The forces of hydrodynamics are not kind to things with wings or rocket engines. So if you want to land your missile before CIWS kills it, it splashes into water and does nothing.

Reason Three: Range. The only way to circumvent both problems would be to use a missile that carried a small torpedo. Problem with this: When I say small torpedo, I mean a SMALL torpedo. All the space a missile would usually have devoted to a warhead would be devoted to a completely seperate weapon with its own guidance and propulsion systems, meaning you're getting about 1/10th the explosive power you'd get with a regular missile warhead. Assuming your missile is a large-sized cruise missile, it would unlikely have the explosive power to keelbreak a frigate, let alone a superdreadnought.

And this is for a normal sized missile, like the RL ASROC, which has a short range because its supposed to be a defensive weapon against smallish submarines. You'd need to get within 200km of the superdread and fire THOUSANDS to sink it with a torpedo-carrying missile.

Also, there is no way in hell you could mount any missile big enough to do ANY of the things you describe on any aircraft smaller than a B-1 or B-52.

In conclusion, your weapons system is infeasible. A normal sea skimmer? Possible. Diving underwater like some kind of high explosive loon? Impossible if one wished it to be effective. If you want I can bring Hogs, DPUO, or any of the other NS draftroom boys whose knowledge of why this is bullshit to outstrip any objections you may make to this conclusion.

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Mer Des Ennuis...

Your diving sea-skimmers are practically impossible.

Reason One: You cannot crash a missile into something at any significant speed (above 300mph) or so without it suffering serious structural damage, unless you armored the missile, which would massively reduce range, which I'll get to in a bit. But basically, if your missile wants to evade CIWS fire (yes, there are systems that can detect sea skimming missiles), it has to be faster than it can be if it was to dive under the water.

Reason Two: Your missile would stop dead in the water unless you landed it from a hundred yards or so (probably less). Rocket engines do NOT work very well underwater for accurate movement, which is why torpedoes do not USE rocket engines with the exception of the Shkval, which is completely different because it is supercavitating. Your missile however, would just smash into the water, and if it survived at all it would be effectively immobile. The forces of hydrodynamics are not kind to things with wings or rocket engines. So if you want to land your missile before CIWS kills it, it splashes into water and does nothing.

Reason Three: Range. The only way to circumvent both problems would be to use a missile that carried a small torpedo. Problem with this: When I say small torpedo, I mean a SMALL torpedo. All the space a missile would usually have devoted to a warhead would be devoted to a completely seperate weapon with its own guidance and propulsion systems, meaning you're getting about 1/10th the explosive power you'd get with a regular missile warhead. Assuming your missile is a large-sized cruise missile, it would unlikely have the explosive power to keelbreak a frigate, let alone a superdreadnought.

And this is for a normal sized missile, like the RL ASROC, which has a short range because its supposed to be a defensive weapon against smallish submarines. You'd need to get within 200km of the superdread and fire THOUSANDS to sink it with a torpedo-carrying missile.

Also, there is no way in hell you could mount any missile big enough to do ANY of the things you describe on any aircraft smaller than a B-1 or B-52.

In conclusion, your weapons system is infeasible. A normal sea skimmer? Possible. Diving underwater like some kind of high explosive loon? Impossible if one wished it to be effective. If you want I can bring Hogs, DPUO, or any of the other NS draftroom boys whose knowledge of why this is bullshit to outstrip any objections you may make to this conclusion.

I know that a rocket cannot operate underwater, so I use the ASROC principle (drop a torpedo which slows down after being dropped), just using an updated missile (even the VLA ASROC is 16 years old and could probably use some updating and the ADCAP is 18 years old, which does have room for improvement as well), with the torpedo warhead in question being an updated ADCAP Mk. 48. The sea-skimmer does not impact the ship itself, it just drops the payload at range (which happens to be a real life keel breaking torpedo). Hell, i could probably scale it up to be launched from ship borne VLAs. I did commission TPM to design something fitting this for RPers who want specs, and that will probably get refined afterwards.

I know that a rocket cannot operate underwater, so I use the ASROC principle (drop a torpedo which slows down after being dropped), just using an updated missile (even the VLA ASROC is 16 years old and could probably use some updating), with the torpedo warhead in question being an Mk. 48. The sea-skimmer does not impact the ship itself, it just drops the payload at range (which happens to be a real life keel breaking torpedo). Hell, i could probably scale it up to be launched from ship borne VLAs. I did commission TPM to design something fitting this for RPers who want specs, and that will probably get refined afterwards.

Then show the specs

I know that a rocket cannot operate underwater, so I use the ASROC principle (drop a torpedo which slows down after being dropped), just using an updated missile (even the VLA ASROC is 16 years old and could probably use some updating and the ADCAP is 18 years old, which does have room for improvement as well), with the torpedo warhead in question being an updated ADCAP Mk. 48. The sea-skimmer does not impact the ship itself, it just drops the payload at range (which happens to be a real life keel breaking torpedo). Hell, i could probably scale it up to be launched from ship borne VLAs. I did commission TPM to design something fitting this for RPers who want specs, and that will probably get refined afterwards.

TPM is not an infalliable designer, at least navally anyway. And if he was, he just lost his reputation.

The ADCAP Mk 48 is, let's see... Eight and a half times larger than the torpedo the ASROC is meant to launch, the Mk44/Mk46. In addition, the Mk48 can keelbreak ships in the 10,000 ton range max, not 1 million tons. You'd need quite a LOT of them to all hit in the same area and detonate simeltaneously to achieve a similar effect.

And that's assuming your fighter can launch a Mk48 equipped ASROC. The RL ASROC weighs around 1,000 pounds, less than a third of the weight of the torpedo you're trying to launch. So, assuming we scale it up the eight and a half times necessary to achieve the performance of a regular ASROC, it would weigh about 8,500+ pounds, making it too large for anything but a bomber the size of the Tu-22 or larger to carry effectively due to both size AND weight issues.

And with that, your aircraft would have to launch it about 200km away (the ASROC's range is listed as 'ASW intermediate', which is really no more than a few dozen miles', and I added the range of a normal ADCAP), well within the range of an SD's air defense radar, missiles, and fighter cover, so even if your magic missile was possible to keelbreak an SD, the planes carrying it could be shot down easily.

If you wanted an ASROC that could come even close to keelbreaking an SD, it would weigh as much as an SLBM.

A superhornet can hold 17,750 lbs on wingtip launchers, which could, in theory, hold such a weapon. However, I would like to use a SLAM-ER modified for such a purpose, which is airlaunchable from the F/A 18 and has a range of 280 k/m. Again, if there is a way to improve it, then couldn't one drop a Mk. 84 from range (6-8 km) which would overwhelm anti-torpedo countermeasures while, at the same time, a nuclear torpedo launched via the same method detonates below the target in question?

A superhornet can hold 17,750 lbs on wingtip launchers, which could, in theory, hold such a weapon. However, I would like to use a SLAM-ER modified for such a purpose, which is airlaunchable from the F/A 18 and has a range of 280 k/m. Again, if there is a way to improve it, then couldn't one drop a Mk. 84 from range (6-8 km) which would overwhelm anti-torpedo countermeasures while, at the same time, a nuclear torpedo launched via the same method detonates below the target in question?

No, it could not, even in theory, hold such a weapon without a radical redesign. Aircraft mounts can only hold up to about 2,000 to 3,000 pounds. So if you redesigned the Superhornet and created one or two ultra-reinforced hardpoints, then MAYBE you could mount this missile. But that would be incredibly inefficient for the aircraft, it would be slower, harder to manuver, and have a shorter range.

Also, the SLAM-ER is only about 500 pounds of warhead, so it would need to be roughly 7-8 times larger than a regular SLAM-ER to hold a Mk48 torpedo. And again, without a nuclear warhead it won't keelbreak ANYTHING, in which case you are wasting your time trying to make this weapon, because a regular SLAM-ER with a nuclear warhead could kill an SD much more easily than this impossible weapon ever could.

The entire point of the design is not to destroy an SD, it is to distract the SD while the one nuclear warhead on a torpedo acts as the main keel breaker to take it out! The point of mounting an Mk. 48 like warhead is to make it more effective against smaller ships, though i suppose i could mount a light-weight torpedo to acomplish the distraction purpose equally well. Possibly enlarging the Mk. 50 to hold the same amount of explosive (650 lbs)? Scaling it up, it would end up being 2000 pounds + or -

You cannot kill an SD with something that is a godmod, even with an nuclear warhead your design cannot be launched from a Hornet, as it would STILL weigh 8,500 pounds...

You could not enlarge a Mk54 to carry more explosives than the torpedo itself weighs. If you want 650 pounds of explosives, you need a torpedo that weighs around 2,000 pounds itself.

Think of it this way: A non-ADCAP Mk48 could not fit on a Hornet hardpoint without anything attached.

Trying to launch a Mk48 sized weapon from a Hornet is very difficult. Trying to launch an ASROC with a Mk48 sized weapon is impossible.

So I couldn't potentially launch any torpedo from a missile that resembles the SLAM-ER with the sole purpose of distracting the anti-torpedo countermeasures while a single deep-diving nuclear warhead keel breaks the ship?

I'd say you godmodded all right and you never edit your post ether!
Oh, and this war is over?
1) Zogia's navy is still pounding you,
2) Zogia had an allied fleet in a harbor, so if you don't delete that post you will face a much stronger enemy and
3) the Kingdom of Zogia is an island chain, so if you realy hit them so hard to wipe out the entier nation, the wave alone would take out all the Pacific.

Tell me which post I've godmoded on, except the post where I purposely godmoded.

1. He isn't. He godmoded it all. And I choose to ignore it.
- First of all, I have navy patrolling around Leocardia in the first place. Zogia went in and attacked me directly, skipping the part where my navy comes in and radar detection.

2. Zogia has an allied fleet in a harbor.
- Which harbor? Leocardian harbor or Zogian harbor? Anyway, who gives a SHIT, you have to get past my allied fleets first before attacking Leocardian navy.

3. Zogia is a island chain.
- Very well then, I wiped out the whole Pacific if thats fine with you. Though, region doesn't really matter. It's just how you RP it.

Now please stop posting short, dumb posts, and actually learn to RP before joining a RP game.

OOC: Whee! *pats Leo's head* I like this kid.

So I couldn't potentially launch any torpedo from a missile that resembles the SLAM-ER with the sole purpose of distracting the anti-torpedo countermeasures while a single deep-diving nuclear warhead keel breaks the ship?

You could, but that assumes the plane survives long enough to launch the missile and the missile survives long enough to drop the torpedo. Point is, torpedo-launched missiles are called ASROC for a reason... You cannot assume in your post that those missiles will be launched or drop their torp without a chance to intercept. Sea-skimmers can easily be detected by NS tech, and the planes are even easier to detect. And ASROCs travel slow enough for modern CIWS to intercept, which is why they are never used against ships.

And since a good many of those missiles and the aircraft can be intercepted in the air, you cannot assume you will overwhelm the SD's torpedo defense system, which is on a seperate FCS from the air defense systems.

OOC: Whee! *pats Leo's head* I like this kid.

Thank you. How old do you think I am?

This is another debate: If I have air superority, couldn't I just have a mass amount of B2 Spirits/B-52s/B-1bs drop bunker busters or cluster munitions all over the SD in question?

Leocardia, I have 2 thing to post:
1) I think you are ether a 30 year old geek or a 3 year old cry baby and
2) I once more ask you to strt peace talks with Zogia and end this RP already on a (somewhat) happy note.

Leocardia, I have 2 thing to post:
1) I think you are ether a 30 year old geek or a 3 year old cry baby and
2) I once more ask you to strt peace talks with Zogia and end this RP already on a (somewhat) happy note.

1) Don't insult people. Leocardia has shown more maturity than you and Zogia combined here.

2) He doesn't have to do squat with a godmodding cheat like Zogia. This RP was over the moment Zogia declared "Every citizen in my nation joins the army and fights for free!" then began to preform what I call an "auto-hit". Which is where he smuggles nukes into Leocardia and without even letting him respond, declares that the nukes have gone off and destroyed cities.

3) Learn some fucking etiquette. Reading the forum stickies would be a great start.

1) Don't insult people. Leocardia has shown more maturity than you and Zogia combined here.

2) He doesn't have to do squat with a godmodding cheat like Zogia. This RP was over the moment Zogia declared "Every citizen in my nation joins the army and fights for free!" then began to preform what I call an "auto-hit". Which is where he smuggles nukes into Leocardia and without even letting him respond, declares that the nukes have gone off and destroyed cities.

3) Learn some fucking etiquette. Reading the forum stickies would be a great start.
Ha! You, my friend, know nothing of me. So, I advise you to quit while you are ahead.

Ha! You, my friend, know nothing of me. So, I advise you to quit while you are ahead.

OOC: I know enough. None of this involves you. If you want a war, feel free to look up New Feluca.

Ha! You, my friend, know nothing of me. So, I advise you to quit while you are ahead.

You know nothing about me.

BTW, I am 14 years old, and show much more maturity than you do. I'm probably guessing your in your 20's.

Don't tell me what to do. This RP is pretty much over after Zogia started to godmode. BTW, I LOSE-ed Zogia, so pretty much theres nothing to negociate.

Xeno, your my best NS friend.

I have this wondering...

Zogia in the first couple posts spelled correct, proper English. Though, after the first 3 pages of this thread, he begins to have crappy English, and spells incorrectly.

WTF is going on.

You know nothing about me.

BTW, I am 14 years old, and show much more maturity than you do. I'm probably guessing your in your 20's.

Don't tell me what to do. This RP is pretty much over after Zogia started to godmode. BTW, I LOSE-ed Zogia, so pretty much theres nothing to negociate.

Xeno, your my best NS friend.

OOC: Well, since this was a really shitty RP, would you like to RP against me. I need a nice little war to distract my populous from the deteriorating situation in the south of my country, and I wanna try out some new techs before I use them against my archrival, Little India

I have this wondering...

Zogia in the first couple posts spelled correct, proper English. Though, after the first 3 pages of this thread, he begins to have crappy English, and spells incorrectly.

WTF is going on.

Yes, I wondered this myself...

Yes, I wondered this myself...
Would you care to have a war?

OOC: Well, since this was a really shitty RP, would you like to RP against me. I need a nice little war to distract my populous from the deteriorating situation in the south of my country, and I wanna try out some new techs before I use them against my archrival, Little India

OOC:

Little India is your archrival Vietnamexico...?! That country does not have a modern military and is ruled on all levels a Royal family that is satisfied with what it has...

Or has that shared border militerized and I just have not noticed.

OOC:

Little India is your archrival Vietnamexico...?! That country does not have a modern military and is ruled on all levels a Royal family that is satisfied with what it has...

Or has that shared border militerized and I just have not noticed.


ooc: it was never demilitarized

OOC: Well, since this was a really shitty RP, would you like to RP against me. I need a nice little war to distract my populous from the deteriorating situation in the south of my country, and I wanna try out some new techs before I use them against my archrival, Little India

No. I'm a bit tired of godmoders.

I think i might get into a war with kraven (if so, god help me) over the Isle of Man, but thats up for debate. Otherwise, I ijust wait for a war to happen.

I think i might get into a war with kraven (if so, god help me) over the Isle of Man, but thats up for debate. Otherwise, I ijust wait for a war to happen.

Kraven is a good ally of mine. One of them helped me invade Pythogria, which made him ignore me.

No. I'm a bit tired of godmoders.

What is that supposed to mean, are you calling my large fleet a godmode, go check my pop buddy, and then go look up my military spending, this army that I have assembled is less than 1% of my population.

What is that supposed to mean, are you calling my large fleet a godmode, go check my pop buddy, and then go look up my military spending, this army that I have assembled is less than 1% of my population.

No its not that. It's just that I'm tired of anyone that may jump in and godmode.

No its not that. It's just that I'm tired of anyone that may jump in and godmode.

So make it a closed RP.

No its not that. It's just that I'm tired of anyone that may jump in and godmode.

Are you impling that I godmoded, if so, show me where. The only godmodders I see are Zogia and Mer des Ennius.

Okay, this RP is messed up. What do you say we start over, NS nations not needed if not wanted. Chose your stats at the moment you join and RP from thare. What do you think?

Okay, rules.
1) Low limit is late 19th centary.
2) High limit is mid 21st centary.
3) Planatary war only.

Post is NS RP War.

Okay, this RP is messed up. What do you say we start over, NS nations not needed if not wanted. Chose your stats at the moment you join and RP from thare. What do you think?

Okay, rules.
1) Low limit is late 19th centary.
2) High limit is mid 21st centary.
3) Planatary war only.

Post is NS RP War.

Okay, lets make it modern warfare. Space Warfare gets confusing sometimes.

Are you impling that I godmoded, if so, show me where. The only godmodders I see are Zogia and Mer des Ennius.

You still have not answered the question

If anyone wants to stay in this, just go to my new thread.

If anyone wants to stay in this, just go to my new thread.

Whats the new thread?

You still have not answered the question

I've answered it. I don't want any godmoders to jump in if we do this war.

I've said that many times already, get the message.

NS RP War