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(Like is says)

Still; theres active fire in the area; its all over the place. You can't really just avoid everything; no system is entirely perfect; where are those shots going? What are they doing? Could at least have one or two near misses, a hit or so.

Would be nice...

Just because I'm not RPing things like that, doesn't mean they don't exist, Chrono.

Lets see, if I'm accused of GMing because of a custom torp that can hit at a distance of around five light seconds, there is no way I'm going to give another RPer better accuracy at several light minutes, minimum, than I could have at a few light seconds.

@TFU: Thanks. I was going to do this myself, but you beat me to it.

You know witch moon i hit..

You know witch moon i hit..

You didn't specify, so, according to the rules of RP, I got to choose.

I know your moons secret SQ... I got it from a soruce, and i was hitting the moon with the secret, menwhile you did not say there was more than one moon or planet in your system)

I know your moons secret SQ... I got it from a soruce, and i was hitting the moon with the secret, menwhile you did not say there was more than one moon or planet in your system)

Hmm, using OOC info IC'ly I see. I'm not letting that GM through.

Also, per the rules of RP, as you DIDN'T SPECIFY which moon, I got to pick.

And just because I didn't say how many planets were in the star system and which had moons and how many they had, doesn't mean they don't exist.

((OC- I'm not sure what's more entertaining. Hockey fights or these thread spats. It sure ain't boxing anymore. =^^= ))

((OC- I'm not sure what's more entertaining. Hockey fights or these thread spats. It sure ain't boxing anymore. =^^= ))

Take it out of my thread, Im not in the mood for your "fun" please get rid of your post or I will have a mod intervine

((OC- I'm not sure what's more entertaining. Hockey fights or these thread spats. It sure ain't boxing anymore. =^^= ))

Long time no see, Gaian. Hope you're feeling better.

Oh, and interesting take on the matter.

Take it out of my thread, Im not in the mood for your "fun" please get rid of your post or I will have a mod intervine

Over-react much?

OOC: Oh, for the love of all that is holy. I find your lack of a sense of fair play disturbing, Seaquest. I come in to read a nice story about a war betweeen you and TFU and I see it got bogged down into another OOC-fest. Forums. Now.

No I’m making a point seaquest, and I got it from an undisclosed GFFA source.. so its not OOC info

No I’m making a point seaquest, and I got it from an undisclosed GFFA source.. so its not OOC info

No GFFA nation that knows it IC'ly would be the kind to tell you. The fact that you got it from a GFFA souce is proof enough that it IS OOC info.

Proove it SQ...

Long time no see, Gaian. Hope you're feeling better.

Oh, and interesting take on the matter.

((OC - Oh that stuff is long past, KH2 has been my addiction for the past month now instead.

And I try. =^^= ))

((OC - Oh that stuff is long past, KH2 has been my addiction for the past month now instead.

And I try. =^^= ))

Out now ... please This is for only those involved in that..

Eh, since he fired the gun and since moons can't move, he kinda is the one who decides where his ... super beam hits.

Gaian. TFU asked you politely to leave. I advise that you comply. You are not contributing anything to the conversation. This is only for concerned nations, you are not a concerned nation, as you have no involvement in the thread in question.

Proove it SQ...
You stated it was an GFFA source. Thus, its OOC. The mere fact that most GFFA nations have you on ignore and those that don't I know won't spill any IC information IC'ly to such a hostile warmongering nation as yourself.

Gaian. TFU asked you politely to leave. I advise that you comply. You are not contributing anything to the conversation. This is only for concerned nations, you are not a concerned nation, as you have no involvement in the thread in question.

Technically, neither are you, MM.

Eh, since he fired the gun and since moons can't move, he kinda is the one who decides where his ... super beam hits.

Partly true. However, he didn't specifiy which moon, so, according to the rules of RPing, I got to pick which moon.

Partly true. However, he didn't specifiy which moon, so, according to the rules of RPing, I got to pick which moon.
Uhm, I mean not to interject again, but I will note that is not true, at all. The 'rules' of rping as you put it would apply if he fired shots and stuff at your mobile ships from far away. However a moon is way different man. He actually gets to pick the moon, you pick as to whether or not it will do any damage or 'miss' somehow.

Ohh he likes it as long as you agree with him.. MM was going to get involved so hes fine.

Technically, neither are you, MM.

Aren't I? I've been waiting for TFU to deal with you in the Cluster before I did anything(brilliant stroke with the moon by the way TFU).

Now, let's get this resolved and get on with killing you.

Ohh he likes it as long as you agree with him.. MM was going to get involved so hes fine.

First off, don't even think about claiming to know what I like.

Secondly, MM would have no reason to get involved, unless it was to drive you out.

Due to the fact that Belle Terre lies in my claimed space in Waterhelper's Star Cluster, your invasion has breached the borders of the Cluster. According to agreements set down some time ago in the original Cluster thread, actions like that are usually responded to by the Cluster Police.

I love this :D

EDIT: Cluster? OOOH YEAH!

Aren't I? I've been waiting for TFU to deal with you in the Cluster before I did anything(brilliant stroke with the moon by the way TFU).

Now, let's get this resolved and get on with killing you.

You willing to face the wrath of the Cluster Police?

Also, I had assumed I was still on your ignore list, MM.

And do note, I will not accept your tech-wanked side walls this time, MM.

I love this :D

EDIT: Cluster? OOOH YEAH!

*Still on my ignore list*

Why's that?

Uhm, I mean not to interject again, but I will note that is not true, at all. The 'rules' of rping as you put it would apply if he fired shots and stuff at your mobile ships from far away. However a moon is way different man. He actually gets to pick the moon, you pick as to whether or not it will do any damage or 'miss' somehow.

No, they still apply. He never stated SPECIFICALLY which moon. As its MY star system, I got to choose.

You willing to face the wrath of the Cluster Police?

Also, I had assumed I was still on your ignore list, MM.

And do note, I will not accept your tech-wanked side walls this time, MM.

You won't accept them? Who are you to accept or deny anything? Sidewalls are holy canon. It can't be argued with, just like we can't argue all the crap you pull. So, which way is it? Either you can question things, and so can we, or you accept whatever comes at you, and you take it like a man.

No, they still apply. He never stated SPECIFICALLY which moon. As its MY star system, I got to choose.

Well I guess after this I'll be silent, despite what I've said you don't want to change your mind for whatever reason, despite the fact you're twisting the 'rules' of RP around to your benefit; reading them in a way to do things they were not intended. It's a moon, it cannot dodge, if you fire something at it it will hit. You can't just say it hit that other moon somewhere over there when the intentions of the attacker state otherwise.

TGB take it out of my thread please...

Well I guess after this I'll be silent, despite what I've said you don't want to change your mind for whatever reason, despite the fact you're twisting the 'rules' of RP around to your benefit; reading them in a way to do things they were not intended. It's a moon, it cannot dodge, if you fire something at it it will hit. You can't just say it hit that other moon somewhere over there when the intentions of the attacker state otherwise.

I never said that it wouldn't hit A moon. That's true. I have stated, that due to TFU's not saying which moon in the entire star system he was shooting at, and due to it being MY star system, I got to pick which one that was destroyed.

TFU: this concerns me. I have holdings in the Cluster.

You won't accept them? Who are you to accept or deny anything? Sidewalls are holy canon. It can't be argued with, just like we can't argue all the crap you pull. So, which way is it? Either you can question things, and so can we, or you accept whatever comes at you, and you take it like a man.

Simple, until you can figure out a way to make them less GM and compromise so that they aren't so uber, then we'll see.

If that system SQ had got Destoryed Ill go on to the next system, he knew whta moon i was going after..

Simple, until you can figure out a way to make them less GM and compromise so that they aren't so uber, then we'll see.
Or perhaps you could keep firing on and around the sidewalls until you find weaknesses?

If that system SQ had got Destoryed Ill go on to the next system, he knew whta moon i was going after..

Incorrect. You never specifically stated which moon, so I got to pick.

As for going after other systems, unless you again use OOC info IC'ly, you won't know where to go.

Or perhaps you could keep firing on and around the sidewalls until you find weaknesses?

We tried that, remember? You claimed that my shots, all of them, did zero damage.

Simple, until you can figure out a way to make them less GM and compromise so that they aren't so uber, then we'll see.

You are one to talk about compromise. They aren't at all godmod, since you seem to be about the only nation unable to effectively deal with them. Do your research, Wiki some of the Honorverse tech, read the books. Learn the holy canon. It's what you try to beat everyone with all the time. Two can do that you know.

We tried that, remember? You claimed that my shots, all of them, did zero damage.

I stated that your wording said you were still attacking the sidewalls. When you say "behind" in a broadside engagement, that tells me you're not aft of my ships. AFT tells me you're aft of my ships. Similarly, attacking the Prow, or Forequarter tells me you're actually attacking the fore of the ships.

You are one to talk about compromise. They aren't at all godmod, since you seem to be about the only nation unable to effectively deal with them. Do your research, Wiki some of the Honorverse tech, read the books. Learn the holy canon. It's what you try to beat everyone with all the time. Two can do that you know.

I use canon as past precident, not something to cower behind.

I stated that your wording said you were still attacking the sidewalls. When you say "behind" in a broadside engagement, that tells me you're not aft of my ships. AFT tells me you're aft of my ships. Similarly, attacking the Prow, or Forequarter tells me you're actually attacking the fore of the ships.

Do you really want to start that arguement up again?

@TFU: Where's your IC proof of learning about the moon IC'ly?

And do note, I will not accept your tech-wanked side walls this time, MM.

Isn't that the Sidewalls that your trying to buy second hand from TSL? So your trying to buy tech wank for yourself? Interesting....

@TFU: Where's your IC proof of learning about the moon IC'ly?

Wheres your proof that the moon does anything ICly? It does appear that you say alot OOCly, but what do you really have ICly?

Isn't that the Sidewalls that your trying to buy second hand from TSL? So your trying to buy tech wank for yourself? Interesting....

Uh, no. I've gotten Yamato Cannon and Yamato Gun tech from TSL. I may get the other weapons for sale later. However, until MM and I can reach an agreement on sidewall tech, I'll treat them like standard shields.

Wheres your proof that the moon does anything ICly? It does appear that you say alot OOCly, but what do you really have ICly?

It was to be revealed at the big Cluster Conference that Bal's holding (if it gets under way). Until then, its been pure Secret IC and OOC on private forums.

Exactly; on Private Forums; so does it really exist on NS past your one reference? Veiled reference? So no one actually knows what your talking about?

Exactly; on Private Forums; so does it really exist on NS past your one reference? Veiled reference? So no one actually knows what your talking about?

From that point of view, the moon hasn't been mentioned IC'ly on Jolt except as a reference to let someone know where to park their ships in one thread.

well what ever lets just go on with it.

Spartan has a Death Star? Bullshit.

Spartan has a Death Star? Bullshit.

Seconded. MM will appear, and the DS will face off with a Battlemoon. AGAIN. And again, the Battlemoon will checkmate the DS. Using the Superlaser will result in a system kill against your territory SQ. Better tell your ally that. Enchanach can do it.

I'm also skeptical about SA's DS.

The commander of the fleet growled a bit his hand moved over the silky silver table, his face was riddled with angry yet clam twitches like he had just held his temper after a long contest with an arrogant ant.


The commander looked to his con and helm officer and said “I want all ships to set a course to one of there sectors out side there home world, we need to hit that and take it, I want to use it as a staging ground, I also want a cloaked scout to check out there home system”


The commander grinned a little; his mind was awash with feelings of glory and anger…



The huge fleet started to jump out again, the masses of shimmering grey disappeared in to the dark fabric of space and time…



A lone scout how ever diverted from the main temporal jump and cloaked it self, it fleet towards the home system of seaquest, its body shimmering in to the fabric of space and time as it scanned the system from different points and waited.


Sorry, TFU, but I'm not accepting this GM use of OOC info IC'ly. You'll have to have IC proof of learning where my home system is IC'ly. And don't go pulling more "you got it from a GFFA source" bull!

I think hes talking about in the Cluster....

Did you even read my ooc note? Im talking about the cluster

I think hes talking about in the Cluster....

My only other planet in the Cluster is Botany, and we all remember the current situation of that system.

Did you even read my ooc note?

I can only read one post at a time. No more and no less.

What I think hes doing is retreating; regrouping and then assaulting Belle Terre; just my opinion. Botany belongs to meeee, muhahahaha

What I think hes doing is retreating; regrouping and then assaulting Belle Terre; just my opinion. Botany belongs to meeee, muhahahaha

Botany lies in my Cluster territory, so it still belongs to me. Only, thanks to you and MM, its off-limits for my ships.

Im attacking your main system i assumed you had more than one bu nevermind just put the fleet as attacking your main system

Im attacking your main system i assumed you had more than one bu nevermind just put the fleet as attacking your main system

My main system in the cluster?

Obviously yes

My main system in the cluster?

he's attacking Belle Terre; he just seriously overestimated you and assumed you had more than that :)

Obviously yes

You just ran away from it.

he's attacking Belle Terre; he just seriously overestimated you and assumed you had more than that :)

I listed all my system defenses in the post prior to TFU fleeing. Never got a chance to post about my ships.

Its called regoruping

......He's retreated to regroup and attack. Its a rather common strategy.

Its called regoruping

Then I expect you to include the losses you incurred in your first attempt to attack the system in your posts.

That means you can't still have all 4,000 ships, which according to the ship dimensions you like to use, your population, your economy, and your budget, constitute your entire navy.

And no, Belle Terre may be my main Cluster star system, but its not my home system like you were posting attacking.

Can we get back to the thread and stop drivelling over semantics?

TFU can support a rather large and diverse navy; I'm not aware what system he uses; I don't use stats so I use roughly 1000 per billion.

Lets just get on with this. I grow weary...

Acualy no really I have tones more in my fleet..

http://nstracker.retrogade.com/index.php?nation=The+Fedral+Union

and your right.. i was estmating becuse the fleet went down to around 3880 ships..


I base it off of GDP

aka "F$222,528,504,606,408.09"

Now can we please get on with the rp?!

OOC: This coming from the 1bn guy with a Death Star; lollercost

Interesting phrasing. Though, I happen to agree with the thing about the DS in this case.

Acualy no really I have tones more in my fleet..

http://nstracker.retrogade.com/index.php?nation=The+Fedral+Union

and your right.. i was estmating becuse the fleet went down to around 3880 ships..


I base it off of GDP

aka "F$222,528,504,606,408.09"

You do know that when you use the NS Budget Calc you linked to, you have to do some math and convert it from your monetary system to U.S.D..

That's why I prefer to use NS Economy, as it does it for you.

And you don't base it off of GDP, you use your Defense Budget only for ships, stations, and other military stuff.

According to NS Tracker, your Defense Budget (11% of your entire GDP), in your monetary system, is: F$14,513,929,254,704.88

Your Exchange Rate is: F$1 = NS$1.8835

This means that everyone of your Federal Dollars is equal to 1.8835 Universal Standard Dollars.

Do the math and your Defense Budget comes out to be: $27,336,985,751,236.64 U.S.D.

Thus, you only have a grand total of around $27 trillion U.S.D. to build with, pay your bills, keep your ships in good condition, conduct research, AND pay the salaries of your population's military members (all 5% of them).

So, utilizing that info, I seriously and honestly doubt if you could have more than the 4,000 pristine ships you claimed to have at the start of this RP.

Anyone care to check my math?

Stats mean absolutely nothing; please for the love of Cthulhu, GET ON WITH THE RP! Stop delaying, stop time wasting!

Ugh.. I do and thats the end of it Im not hear to debate aobut sats either we get on with this war or you ignore it its your choice

I am sick of your whining and ooc bitching about stats im here to rp!!!! I AM ON MY LAST nerve with you... LETS GET ON WITH THIS WAR mean while your just using this to annoy people and to "win" by making them get sick and tired of this bullshit... its not going to work.

@MM: The Fedral forces actions had been difficult to miss. Now they would have some backup. A single massive tear in reality was the first hint that anything was wrong. The second was the moon sized planetoid that emerged into the system. If the fools working the Death Star were idiot enough to activate their superlaser, the entire system would be destroyed. It was well known that activating an Enchanach drive in a system did a number on FTLi. It was less well known that bringing it fully online and making an FTL translation inside a system had a VERY bad effect on suns, or similar objects. More specifically it tended to make them explode, quite violently.

Transmission to the forces within this system:

This is the Utu class planetoid Dahak. The nation of Mini Miehm has deployed me to put down an aggressive action by the nation of SeaQuest. All those allied with said nation will stand down, or be destroyed. You have 5 minutes to comply.

Uh, as SA hasn't arrived in-system yet (he's still in transt), and I'm trying to talk to him about not including the DS, you're claiming to know about the DS is using OOC info IC'ly, thus a GM. Please edit your post.

Stats mean absolutely nothing; please for the love of Cthulhu, GET ON WITH THE RP! Stop delaying, stop time wasting!

They do when it comes to how many ships and stations you can have.

This is a big stall tactic seaquest.... I know what your tyring to pull and its a shame that FT ns has come down to this level..

Which means nothing in regards to the force he has sent for this RP. And they actually don't; I use no stats. At all. Ever. I'm fine; I'm, happy, because unlike you rambling number obsessed malcontents, I realise that plot and actual Rp are what matter.

You carry a great game in whining and stat throwing; but your not exactly proving your skills. Go ahead and RP; just Rp. And lets get this over with.

Also, SA already left out the DS, now if you would pay attention to RPing and stop nitpicking, we might actually get somewhere.

Please?

Ugh.. I do and thats the end of it Im not hear to debate aobut sats either we get on with this war or you ignore it its your choice

I am sick of your whining and ooc bitching about stats im here to rp!!!! I AM ON MY LAST nerve with you... LETS GET ON WITH THIS WAR mean while your just using this to annoy people and to "win" by making them get sick and tired of this bullshit... its not going to work.

I'm not whining. I'm just stating the facts. If you don't like them, tough.

You are the one whose using more forces than his nation can support (I wouldn't be surprised if I did the math and found out that you were using more crew on your ships than your nation as a whole's population).

Now, until we can finish the discussion about SA and his DS, we're pretty much as far as we can go for now. Through no fault of my own.

Now, I'm planning on talking to SA about the DS and see if he'll drop it.

EDIT: According to NS Economy, your Defense Budget is $14,513,929,254,704.88 U.S.D.. My math must have been off slightly.
http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=The+Fedral+Union

He already dropped it. Now why don't you drop this.

He already dropped it. Now why don't you drop this.

Primarily because I won't RP with someone who GMs and wanks about having more than their nation's budget, economy, and population could support having.

Tough? how dare you ... its freeform rp... I say my nation can support it you can not say other wise, men while if you can accept that "TOUGH noogies buster" If you don’t want to show your rping skill (like chron said) and only want to whine about stats then there is no hope for you... I'm sick of your whining.. witch you are doing regardless of what you think.. I dont mean this as a flame but "either put up or shut up.." I'm trying to rp correctly here... not use stupid stats.. I have posted the best post in my entire life in this thread and your response to such good rp and writing skill is whining wanking godmoding and other shit...

Excuses, excuses. Get on with the RP; TFU's using 4000 ships; if you think thats all he can manage then fine; he won't use any more; but rest assured, if you don't hurry up and start RPing (The entire point of this site and something you claim experience in) and stop bitching about numbers that I couldn't care less about; then my significantly ample fleets will be there to back up my blood brother.

@Chrono: I can only look at one thread at a time. Regarding the IC thread, I'm still catching up.

@TFU: Yes, you do say what you have, but within certain limits as set by NS.

IMHO, you're just trying to justify your number wank, which I won't accept.

He's not number wanking. Now leave it alone; the number remains around 4000 active vessels taking part in this RP. Get over yourself and lets RP; lets face it, your not exactly perfect. Were we to discuss your flaws and mistakes, we could be here for a good few pages.

Now TFU is really trying; and I think you should really try too. To Rp.
You keep saying your good at it; prove it.

So this is another thread ruined by your whining and bitching? grate, so my entire rp my entire effort was ruined because you cant take a loss, this is a joke sea quest if you want to ignore me fine, and your trying to justify your doge wank right? Mean while how can you doge 4000 ships shooting at you all at the same time huh? Ohh no its ok for you to accuse people of things but GOD ALMIGHTY FORBID you should get accused of some thing because your god right ? and you know better than any one who has been around for 3 years…

He's not number wanking. Now leave it alone; the number remains around 4000 active vessels taking part in this RP. Get over yourself and lets RP; lets face it, your not exactly perfect. Were we to discuss your flaws and mistakes, we could be here for a good few pages.

Saying he has more than 4,000 ships in total (I'll find the post if you want) is a number wank given his population and monetary factors.

Now TFU is really trying; and I think you should really try too. To Rp.
You keep saying your good at it; prove it.

I'm quite willing to. As long as everyone keeps their OOC posts to this thread. Currently, the IC thread is being clogged.

As for my RP ability, I've never claimed to be the greatest, but I always do my best.

Rob; calm. Lets get this over with, hopefully something can be salvaged; because god knows you're trying. Lets just ease into this.

Besides when did you become an accountant? Especially given you know next to nothing about his tech or nation. I mean honestly; you are assuming quite a bit. Its this odd arrogance complex; you always have to prove that your right. That and you have a rather blunt, rash and short temper. Both of you do; its a problem; all these short fuses ready to blow. Worse than Novemember 5th under Parliament...

I said good; not great. Don't push it.

Ehh, my forces may be fewer, but I've been funneling my funds into research more often than more ships and stations.

Now, can we keep any and all pure OOC posts related to this RP restricted to this, the OOC thread?

Chronosia, I dont care what you do. Reporting me does not frighten me the least bit. Report all the shit you want, because all it is to me is another little girl running off behind his comp to go complain. If you wanna play wit the big boys, dont go running off yelling report everytime something happens. Makes you sound like someones bitch when you do.

No Endorse reported you; I just noticed it.
And you really don't want to annoy me; little boy. You think you can talk all tough and act all big because you have respect amongst SQ's little rabble? Please. Out in NS your nothing; people are laughing at your idiocy. And if I do recall it was you who was running like a little bitch from that group convo. Such a shame; sad scared little boy; big bad world not treating you like the king?

Buck up, boyo; or be ready to deal with some serious heat.

Sorry to enter like this but Chrono is one of the most respected players in NS and has been in some of the best FT rps around so when he offers advice its best to take it. He has earned his respect and he didnt earn it by cussing people out and calling people a bitch for pointing out a rule violations. And i really wouldnt piss him off his nation chould crush you with ease. its best not to be on his bad side ICly or OOCly. Now i have said my peace so off i go.

Just popping in to agree. SA, you sound like a retard, you spell like a retard, and, quite frankly, I'm inclined to think you are one, from the way you've been acting.

However, I do look foward to seeing whatever you say next. I'm sick right now, and I can use all the laughs I can get.

*points at the rest* We can bring in more if you like but I think that's enough for now.

@SA: Its true. Chrono is one of the oldest and most respected NSers around. With a pop of 6.964 billion, he's not someone you want to make an enemy of.

(OOC:Uhh Tannelorn how the hell did you get there in one post? Your just appeared right? I took me several post to get there and you happened to just appear out of ass space, mean while you seem to underestimate TFU tech in regards to sensors, we could detect your fleet long before you got to the system and bring in adequate reinforcements and or prepared our current forces for a counter assault, now please edit your post to include travel time. I will not accept insta deployment on that scale in this thread, I have not even began shooting I had recently jut arrived. so you just appeared out of ass space.))

Easily. You don't know what kind of FTL tech Tann has. He most likely took the option of using Fluid Time to have a near-by fleet (who knows where he keeps these things) stop by.

As he is a member of the Cluster Police, its his job to protect the security of the borders of all of the Cluster and its members.

Of course, we can let Chrono and the others decide if its valid or not, if you want.

And don't sensor-wank. As you don't know what type of FTL he uses, he could have come in via something you wouldn't be able to detect. Learn what the other uses before claiming things.

Oh, and when did you get back to the Belle Terre system. At your last post, you were in TGB's space/the center of the Cluster.

Theodore Roosevelt class battle carrier sensors:
Interlinked Spatial matrix scanners (Can scan every part of space, every part of the STC every part of time known to exist, even down to the ultimate micro scale, planks)
Long range Anomaly detection scanners
Anti cloaking sensors
Macro rift scanners

all ships have those sesnors

Do you know what the hell a tactical retreat is ? then again I wouldn’t expect you to since MANY PEOPLE have tried to explained to you what I did and you CEASE to get the point.

Mean while it took me a while to gather there because I think insta FTL with no draw backs is wank, mean while… I don’t deploy my ships instantly it takes me a while to deploy..

I pulled back I regrouped and I went in for another try oh and the gate builders wont do crap because if he dose my allies will maul his ass.

Alright, just calm down now. If you want him to understand something, cussing and insulting him isn't really the right way to go about it.

There aren't that many forms of FTL travel and there is probably at least one form that TFU could not detect. That aside, TA drives really do allow him to jump out of your system and then back quite fast. That's what they are there for. Since there really is no time standard for what constitutes a post, he could have been gone for a minute or an hour and then jumped back in. Without him specifying, there is no way to know how long he was gone.

What I want to see is the post where you left the center of the Cluster and headed back for Belle Terre.

And I know perfectly well what a tactical retreat is.

And don't give me that uber-sensor bull. Nothing can scan EVERY part of space. That's one GM wank I won't accept. Your sensors, like everyone elses, have a limited range. Don't you recall that thread where you claimed to have sensor stations that could scan every part of the universe and how everyone jumped on you for it?

I think what TFU is upset about is that he didn't even bother to make an entry post. Whenever I get involved in a thread, I typically do what I did here. I tell of knowing about the something and then preparing for it. My next post means I'm there.

And what I'm not happy about is TFU's little multi-light year hop and suddenly appearing back in the Belle Terre star system without even posting leaving the center of the Cluster and arriving at Belle Terre.

It's not really wank, just kinda bad form to insta-deploy. It shows little effort on the offenders part to actually work and roleplay and shows they are only interested in trying to win some fight. As I said, not wank, but badform.

Also, eh, yeah people do have scanners that can scan just about everything. Trek tactics with cloaking stuff doesn't really work if you try to be realistic about it.

-snippity-
Yer on a roll there...

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10940329#post10940329 is the thread I've made if you haven't seen it.

Please... have a nice day. For me? :)

EDIT: SQ, blow the moon or I'll come in and blow it for you. Regardless of whatever wanky insta-deploy crap is in the area, I won't cease until TFU can't get anything useful out of there.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10933444&postcount=40
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10934588&postcount=41

Ta duh, you didnt respond so i posted 2 times

Chronosia, I dont care what you do. Reporting me does not frighten me the least bit. Report all the shit you want, because all it is to me is another little girl running off behind his comp to go complain. If you wanna play wit the big boys, dont go running off yelling report everytime something happens. Makes you sound like someones bitch when you do.

Warned. Keep behaving in this manner and you'll have an enforced vacation.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10933444&postcount=40
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10934588&postcount=41

Ta duh, you didnt respond so i posted 2 times

Don't get your knickers in a twist. I can't be on NS 24/7/365.

Its not an instadeploy from Tannelorn. TFU in my workings within the cluster threads, you would notice Tannelorn declared martial law, and now Balrogga and Tannelorn are acting as system police. Thats why i linked the resources detailing Tannelorn inside the cluster and at home.

Those 200 ships were more then ready to deploy, and the fact your battle has been raging for some time..enough time for you to leave SQ's system and attack the gatebuilders.

Tannelorns 1st expeditionary fleet is ready to fight at a moments notice with 2/3rds of its resources. The GAP forces recently arrived were simply on patrol.

Now you simply cannot detect Tannelornian ships while they are in FTL. Its dimensional jumps. We travel through a dimension that only we utilise, and it takes 30 seconds to go 1000 light years. We can jump twice per day. The cluster is only 1000 light years in diameter. So once we slip in to real space, then you can detect us.

As i stated we jumped outside of the combat range. We launched missiles and fighter craft ahead of the main fleet and started to advance rapidly against your extreme left flank.

Since we are inside the area you are attacking, and we have constant communications with all those involved in the cluster council on current threats and the like..we are not pulling this out of ass space.

Links to the information : http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476365&page=3&highlight=Tannelorn
http://www.sunsetrpg.com
Inside sunset rpg in the mars forums, demimonde is the hand that feeds rp, which details recent developments and the refits, as well as fleet dispositions inside the cluster. Inside the planetary datalinks is the PTSF, its out of date but the 1st expeditionary force entry is still valid.

The attack hasnt truly begun yet and the missiles would likely impact in the next post proceeding me reaching "combat" range of 1 million km or less.

I simply cannot bring in the entire might of my refitted fleet. At new carpentaria my reserves consist of 50 non upgraded ships, 20000 mk II morgenraetes[pilots for ten thousand] a thousand or so of the new ones, and 100 GAP ships. As well the SDF class superdreadnought/fleet tender is there, fully upgraded with a full complement of mark III omega pattern raetes, and 2 naval trooper destroyers.

Back in sol, 2 days travel away, i have 1600 ships, almost all capital ships. I have a fleet of 2000 by the 1000 for every bil rule. My fleet is essentially ubar tech and nasty..imagine say the minbari from B5, or the Eldar from 40k, or if you know it..the xenosaga society is much closer. However its not say as big as yours..however i also have to wait at least 2-3 days for any form of reinforcements. I did not wank one bit.

Well the Insta FTL i have no problem with I use that type of thing, but the insta dployment kind of gets me all I would like is one post saying your deploying, then I'll be happy Im not tyring to be a hard ass Im just trying to make things sycronized. Btw I have no problem with you in the thread, so yeah

np fedral, its just that as sector command its assumed my forces are in position, its been cleared in the cluster threads and precedented, but i had an awful day the day i posted, and forgot to mention i was deploying the fleet at Esys3 beforehand?

I dont think you did, but no matter since your there we can rp, just forget About the whole thing , I Just wanted to clear something up, lets focus on our posts.

No i meant i didnt TFU, i was going to but kind of skipped past it to get to the attacking part as i had a VERY bad day. Sorry, i editted it by the way.

I have a few things to point out:

1) The cluster is held together by a black hole at the center. If it were not there, the stars would have drifted away in clumps long ago. There can be no nation in this position. In a map I have made, I divided the cluster into three levels. Gatekeepers' territory is in the center of the bottom layer (#20).

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10911940&postcount=268


2) There is a meeting of the Cluster Council that is supposed to be going on simultaneously with the attack. The results of the meeting were to determine the reaction of the Cluster Nations as a whole. The Police Nations (Tannelorn and myself) would be monitoring the situation and be ready to act when we recieved word of the decision. Now if we can only get them to post... Tannelorn as a resident of the Cluster has obviously decided to begin "damage control". Another thing, I believe (but could be wrong) the Cluster is actually outside the MWG, one of the clusters trailing along in the wake. Only WaterHaven can decide that since he is the one that found it...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476365&page=2


3) There has to be a LOT LESS bickering. Please concentrate on the story, not who wins. Why don't you two determine together on IM who will win, lose, or if it will end a tie? The actions of the other nations would basiclly add drama to the story, not the OOC chatter.


4) You do have to admit TFU's RPing has improved. I will give him those accalades. To make the point, in this very OOC Thread he has several times asked to get back to the RPing instead of continuing a particular arguement. At least give TFU that respect.


5) When I act, please play along. I have told Tannelorn, WaterHelper, and Chronosia what my intentions are and every one of them laughed. Please take my action in the same manner. I do have the technology to acomplish this and I have several times in the past in varying forms and degrees and is also documented.


6) The most important one of all:

THIS IS ONLY A GAME!!!

SQ you really really should have icly told tannelorn you were trying to blow up the moon. Icly our sensors are disgusting, from living in asteroid fields, using dimensional technology and fighting a civil war in the asteroid field/kuiper belt.

You told GFFA..i am not in GFFA you sort of just well tried to blow up my fleet , at least thats how we see it...bad move. I take IC very seriously..and this is tantamount to betrayal.

SQ you really really should have icly told tannelorn you were trying to blow up the moon. Icly our sensors are disgusting, from living in asteroid fields, using dimensional technology and fighting a civil war in the asteroid field/kuiper belt.

You told GFFA..i am not in GFFA you sort of just well tried to blow up my fleet , at least thats how we see it...bad move. I take IC very seriously..and this is tantamount to betrayal.
<_< can you detect what hasn't even been initialized yet? Good Gods man!

All you know is that No Endorse is going to do it (from the massive unencrypted signal sent to the cluster) You have no idea that he is going to blow it himself (as it was an SIC channel) and he hasn't even initialized the mechanisms yet. (it's a long story, try asking him about it instead of making assumtions?)

Regardless; you informed SQ that unless he did it himself, you would do it for him; its still proof :P

SQ you really really should have icly told tannelorn you were trying to blow up the moon. Icly our sensors are disgusting, from living in asteroid fields, using dimensional technology and fighting a civil war in the asteroid field/kuiper belt.

You told GFFA..i am not in GFFA you sort of just well tried to blow up my fleet , at least thats how we see it...bad move. I take IC very seriously..and this is tantamount to betrayal.

First off. I can't be on NS 24/7/365.

Also, as I had made the last IC post when I last looked, I really didn't see the point in making the next one.

Plus, you can be assured that all those fighting against TFU would have recieved fair warning.

You should have seen the OOC battle I had to go through just to let NE and the others let me blow it myself.

Every time I pointed out ways we could do this without blowing the moon up, NE would come along saying he would blow it himself no matter what I said.

Ask NE if you don't believe me.

Now, will you let me get caught up on the IC thread and make my next IC post before jumping the gun?

Now, can I expect a post edit, or should I continue as if your IC betrayal(sp?) is still going on?

An F.Y.I., Tann, but its very Godmoddy as it stands.

Habitable? Uhh, its a lump of rock. A Class D lump. No atmosphere, minimum gravity, no water. Lifeless and unable of supporting life.

Also, just an F.Y.I., but the moon would appear hollow on sensors (Bal's might detect what's inside without having to focus 100% on the moon's interior). There would be no energy spikes of any kind. Please ask me about the material inside the moon before jumping to conclusions.

OOC:

SQ, please provide me with the data from the sensors.

OOC: As its you Bal, and I know you probably have the most advanced sensors of anyone here, the Quake Moon won't appear hollow, but will be filled with a certain crystaline material known as...

Well, I'll TG you the rest due to security risks (I don't trust everyone here to not use this OOC info IC'ly).

We can discuss it on MSN more if you want.

Regardless; you informed SQ that unless he did it himself, you would do it for him; its still proof :PSeaquestian colonyworld, you have this warning. Evacuate now. When we arrive, we shall destroy what The Fedral Union seeks to control, the moon that contains wealth untold. We shall make this system completly unwanted by the Union. All vessels in the vicinity are advised to leave, we are told that the moon has quite an explosive personality.

If you choose to stay, or are unable to leave, may the very Gods have mercy apon your souls.I see nothing about telling him to blow it himself. Just telling him that I'm about to do it. (EDIT: and warning everyone in the area to book it outa there, so Tannelorn, you've been warned already unless your men are asleep at the comm station.)

But if Tannelorn wants to go after SQ, he can blow up whatever he wants. He'd just better get the transmission straight and realize that there have not been any energy spikes due to the fact that SQ hasn't even begun to initialize the destruction procedures ICly yet.

EDIT: ^_^ you'll detect my ships at an absurdly long range. (I am about as stealthy as a brick to the face) So anyone who wants to intercept my fleet should feel free to. I'd like to try to do an RP like this.

I most definetly cant be on NS 24/7 but that post was definetly noticeable..as it continued on in the ooc thread with you watching. It can be assumed yes..however I am going to be rather clear on this.

You stated only on GFFA secured frequencies. Not only this regardless of warning..we would not let you allow that moon to reach critical mass, and even still we would do the exact same thing to prevent the death of the solar system. We dont go around blowing up planets. And if it means blowing up that moon then so be it.

Now Tannelornian sensors..can see through planets, stars, unshielded ships. And a power spike would most definetly be noticeable considering that any substance reaching critical mass starts to react first. And its not so easy as just turning on a device and the moon going boom.

And about that warning to us?

A coded response was transmitted in response to the Inferno message through various channels only GFFA members would know about and in a code only a GFFA member would know:

Quote:
Belle Terre's population is being evacuated through the on-site Archways.

As for the moon, there is already a plan to blow it in place. When TFU forces have landed on the emptied planet, we'll push the button ourselves then to maximize enemy casualties.


Now about the time on the next two posts, you said you didnt have time to write a message and tell me too? Hell i started to send troops to the planet and you didnt even warn me.

Yesterday, 9:48 PM #74
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The devestating anti-fleet fire from the Apocolyptic Warp Cannons of the Obsidians continued to bombard the Federal navy while the SeaQuestian ships tightened their formation with the O.W.P.s, O.D.P.s, and battlstations orbiting Belle Terre.

All the while, the O.D.P.s fired their phasers and disrupters (depending on which of the two types it was) and the occasional Mark VI O.W.P. fired a full power blast from the kilometer long Axial Super Laser at its core towards the Federal ships. With ten Z.P.M.s powering each shot, the Mark VIs carried the fire power of an Eclipse S.S.D., minimum.

As for the Union fighters, they were met with a hail storm of dozens of missiles and torpedoes launched from three of the Indepences. This was due to the limited number of launchers carried by the giant craft, but the fact that they had millions, if not billions, more stored inside their great hanger, instead of fighters or shuttles, easily counter-balanced this flaw. The other four sent in wave upon wave of fighters. The massive ships could easily carry many thousand of fighters each, minimum.


And here is the time on my post

Yesterday, 4:50 AM #70
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Lord Altansel looked over the battle as he paced across his bridge. His fine elven features in a snarl of anger as he looked at the massive fleet of vessels fighting his and the smaller fleets here to assist the seaquestians. However this was no longer simply a matter of seaquests war with the fedral union..by endangering the cluster TFU had found itself at war with Tannelorn.


So in essence you got me to defend you under the compact and then didnt bother telling me my ships were going to be in great danger soon. Especially considering we sent you a hail. It was in my post.

I work 4 days a week i cant be on as much as i would like to but you didnt read my post. Because if you had you would have responded to the hail at least. I mean its hard to miss this if you read every post thoroughly.

Quote
Of course this was the primary long ranged armament of a bad-hertzfeldt, and was undoubtedly the highest tech piece of equipment aside from an underpowered ubecht field and ubecht cannons mounted in turrets along the bulky 1 kilometer assault ships frame. The bad-hertzfeldt's started to launch not only the new bloodhounds, 400 of them in the first volley..but also start to launch verder verder assault dropships in their hundreds. Each of them carried many of the new replicant-warriors of the GAP to their destination..the seaquestian colony.

Time and date of post is..

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ooc Ok TFU this is important..

Your dates of response after this.

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The devestating anti-fleet fire from the Apocolyptic Warp Cannons of the Obsidians continued to bombard the Federal navy while the SeaQuestian ships tightened their formation with the O.W.P.s, O.D.P.s, and battlstations orbiting Belle Terre.

All the while, the O.D.P.s fired their phasers and disrupters (depending on which of the two types it was) and the occasional Mark VI O.W.P. fired a full power blast from the kilometer long Axial Super Laser at its core towards the Federal ships. With ten Z.P.M.s powering each shot, the Mark VIs carried the fire power of an Eclipse S.S.D., minimum.

As for the Union fighters, they were met with a hail storm of dozens of missiles and torpedoes launched from three of the Indepences. This was due to the limited number of launchers carried by the giant craft, but the fact that they had millions, if not billions, more stored inside their great hanger, instead of fighters or shuttles, easily counter-balanced this flaw. The other four sent in wave upon wave of fighters. The massive ships could easily carry many thousand of fighters each, minimum.

I posted in there as well..where is my warning?

Its simply not assumed when you state that it is on a closed GFFA frequency that only members of GFFA would know.

And you are telling me what my sensors can do?

They are a dimensional tech FTL version of Neutron sensors. These are capable of looking deep down in to planets in RL and the only problem with them as a battlefield sensor is that they fall so they cant be projected.

However we use one based off a different energy source, one directly pumped from the aether. It also has an adverse effect on AI programs, low enders act lobotomised and high enders have anything from a headache to a buzzing noise in the back of their brains. Those and nuclear weapons comprise my EMW compliment.

Dont say what my stuff can do, i have it all documented and developed over the last 3 years that i have played NS.

There are two possible edits. You tell me your going to blow up the moon and i demand you scrap that plan immediately, and help defend the planet properly under my command. In which case we await reinforcements and try to fight him.

The other is we remove the reference to power spike, and we start wanking alittle on the sensors and do things they rightly could in RL and figure out your abandoning a planet made of a horrifically powerful explosive.
Without telling us once again.

Tannelorn wont let you go around blowing up star systems. Once they found out about this, the arrogance of your scheme..throwing away an entire planetary system to destroy their enemy is not only wasteful but its a crime against heaven.

And thats just what your doing right now, and any way it goes thats how it works.

If you go back and edit in telling me it changes several posts. I dont mind..but i wanted to make a point of noting that when the full cluster compact arrangement that we are working out is signed..this sort of thing will be wholly illegal. There is no easy way out..and its not wanking on my part.

And if NE tries to blow it up thats fine...your not doing it.

However i will edit for the sake of NE, and tell him he is not doing it in another transmission. Because the planet is not going to be destroyed..besides your not a cluster resident and you are getting involved in this, we have an arrangement that no battles inthe cluster shall contain allies, no allies shall be brought in to the cluster. This is not a battleground..and we must keep the peace..its been a struggle to stop it so far and we wont have this kind of flagrant arrogance.

No matter what i say i know you will attempt to destroy it NE. Therefore the sides have changed..i will do a minor edit on the part ofreasons after i see
responses for now sleep calls me.

I most definetly cant be on NS 24/7 but that post was definetly noticeable..as it continued on in the ooc thread with you watching. It can be assumed yes..however I am going to be rather clear on this.

You stated only on GFFA secured frequencies. Not only this regardless of warning..we would not let you allow that moon to reach critical mass, and even still we would do the exact same thing to prevent the death of the solar system. We dont go around blowing up planets. And if it means blowing up that moon then so be it.

Now Tannelornian sensors..can see through planets, stars, unshielded ships. And a power spike would most definetly be noticeable considering that any substance reaching critical mass starts to react first. And its not so easy as just turning on a device and the moon going boom.

And about that warning to us?

A coded response was transmitted in response to the Inferno message through various channels only GFFA members would know about and in a code only a GFFA member would know:

Quote:
Belle Terre's population is being evacuated through the on-site Archways.

As for the moon, there is already a plan to blow it in place. When TFU forces have landed on the emptied planet, we'll push the button ourselves then to maximize enemy casualties.


Now about the time on the next two posts, you said you didnt have time to write a message and tell me too? Hell i started to send troops to the planet and you didnt even warn me.

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The devestating anti-fleet fire from the Apocolyptic Warp Cannons of the Obsidians continued to bombard the Federal navy while the SeaQuestian ships tightened their formation with the O.W.P.s, O.D.P.s, and battlstations orbiting Belle Terre.

All the while, the O.D.P.s fired their phasers and disrupters (depending on which of the two types it was) and the occasional Mark VI O.W.P. fired a full power blast from the kilometer long Axial Super Laser at its core towards the Federal ships. With ten Z.P.M.s powering each shot, the Mark VIs carried the fire power of an Eclipse S.S.D., minimum.

As for the Union fighters, they were met with a hail storm of dozens of missiles and torpedoes launched from three of the Indepences. This was due to the limited number of launchers carried by the giant craft, but the fact that they had millions, if not billions, more stored inside their great hanger, instead of fighters or shuttles, easily counter-balanced this flaw. The other four sent in wave upon wave of fighters. The massive ships could easily carry many thousand of fighters each, minimum.


And here is the time on my post

Yesterday, 4:50 AM #70
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Lord Altansel looked over the battle as he paced across his bridge. His fine elven features in a snarl of anger as he looked at the massive fleet of vessels fighting his and the smaller fleets here to assist the seaquestians. However this was no longer simply a matter of seaquests war with the fedral union..by endangering the cluster TFU had found itself at war with Tannelorn.


So in essence you got me to defend you under the compact and then didnt bother telling me my ships were going to be in great danger soon. Especially considering we sent you a hail. It was in my post.

I work 4 days a week i cant be on as much as i would like to but you didnt read my post. Because if you had you would have responded to the hail at least. I mean its hard to miss this if you read every post thoroughly.

Quote
Of course this was the primary long ranged armament of a bad-hertzfeldt, and was undoubtedly the highest tech piece of equipment aside from an underpowered ubecht field and ubecht cannons mounted in turrets along the bulky 1 kilometer assault ships frame. The bad-hertzfeldt's started to launch not only the new bloodhounds, 400 of them in the first volley..but also start to launch verder verder assault dropships in their hundreds. Each of them carried many of the new replicant-warriors of the GAP to their destination..the seaquestian colony.

Time and date of post is..

11-05-2006, 9:56 AM #55
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ooc Ok TFU this is important..

Your dates of response after this.

12-05-2006, 5:30 AM #66
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The devestating anti-fleet fire from the Apocolyptic Warp Cannons of the Obsidians continued to bombard the Federal navy while the SeaQuestian ships tightened their formation with the O.W.P.s, O.D.P.s, and battlstations orbiting Belle Terre.

All the while, the O.D.P.s fired their phasers and disrupters (depending on which of the two types it was) and the occasional Mark VI O.W.P. fired a full power blast from the kilometer long Axial Super Laser at its core towards the Federal ships. With ten Z.P.M.s powering each shot, the Mark VIs carried the fire power of an Eclipse S.S.D., minimum.

As for the Union fighters, they were met with a hail storm of dozens of missiles and torpedoes launched from three of the Indepences. This was due to the limited number of launchers carried by the giant craft, but the fact that they had millions, if not billions, more stored inside their great hanger, instead of fighters or shuttles, easily counter-balanced this flaw. The other four sent in wave upon wave of fighters. The massive ships could easily carry many thousand of fighters each, minimum.

I posted in there as well..where is my warning?

Its simply not assumed when you state that it is on a closed GFFA frequency that only members of GFFA would know.

And you are telling me what my sensors can do?

They are a dimensional tech FTL version of Neutron sensors. These are capable of looking deep down in to planets in RL and the only problem with them as a battlefield sensor is that they fall so they cant be projected.

However we use one based off a different energy source, one directly pumped from the aether. It also has an adverse effect on AI programs, low enders act lobotomised and high enders have anything from a headache to a buzzing noise in the back of their brains. Those and nuclear weapons comprise my EMW compliment.

Dont say what my stuff can do, i have it all documented and developed over the last 3 years that i have played NS.

There are two possible edits. You tell me your going to blow up the moon and i demand you scrap that plan immediately, and help defend the planet properly under my command. In which case we await reinforcements and try to fight him.

The other is we remove the reference to power spike, and we start wanking alittle on the sensors and do things they rightly could in RL and figure out your abandoning a planet made of a horrifically powerful explosive.
Without telling us once again.

Tannelorn wont let you go around blowing up star systems. Once they found out about this, the arrogance of your scheme..throwing away an entire planetary system to destroy their enemy is not only wasteful but its a crime against heaven.

And thats just what your doing right now, and any way it goes thats how it works.

If you go back and edit in telling me it changes several posts. I dont mind..but i wanted to make a point of noting that when the full cluster compact arrangement that we are working out is signed..this sort of thing will be wholly illegal. There is no easy way out..and its not wanking on my part.

And if NE tries to blow it up thats fine...your not doing it.

However i will edit for the sake of NE, and tell him he is not doing it in another transmission. Because the planet is not going to be destroyed..besides your not a cluster resident and you are getting involved in this, we have an arrangement that no battles inthe cluster shall contain allies, no allies shall be brought in to the cluster. This is not a battleground..and we must keep the peace..its been a struggle to stop it so far and we wont have this kind of flagrant arrogance.

No matter what i say i know you will attempt to destroy it NE. Therefore the sides have changed..i will do a minor edit on the part ofreasons after i see
responses for now sleep calls me.


@Tann: Sorry about missing the message you sent upon arrival in the thread. Care to chalk it up to it being lost in the IC mess as the planet was evacuated?

And you are forgetting, if I don't blow the moon, one of the other GFFA members will come swooping in and do it themselves.

And unless your sensors can detect the future (as nothing's happened yet), then I am free to state if what you claim to see with your sensors is false.

As for when I was going to tell you, that's easy. Long enough before the moon went (in a coded message) for you to get out and leave TFU's navy to its fate.

And I never said the blast would be powerful enough to destroy the star system (unless you want NE to use his Black Hole stuff to suck everything up). Would it be destroying the system if I specifically state that the planet below is half rendered Class Y? That's why I've got to wait 'till TFU gets into range.

As for the matter of the stuff in the moon, I've sent a TG to Bal with pretty much everything I have on it.

And Belle Terre isn't made out anything explosive, neither is the Quake Moon. That's the whole point of the set-up I've got.

Now, I'll go back in and edit a response to your message into my post after the one you posted it in.

Micro-BHs won't take out the whole system, but their instability is pretty nasty... (plus the radiation emmitted from the rapidly collapsing matter should sterilize the planet below)

Tannelorn, you should be able to blatantly detect thirty-eight ships by now. Deal with them how you will.

EDIT: plus multiple small scout ships. They're a very good distance out in front, they'll be pretty easy to anihilate. You can post your next one about taking them out if you'd like.

Sounds like some IC history is in place already between NE and Tann, either that or they just like shooting at each other.

Sounds like some IC history is in place already between NE and Tann, either that or they just like shooting at each other.
Mostly I like shooting crap. And so does he I believe. ^_^ We're both into honor and stuff. The difference will show itself in the coming battle.

Im waiting for losses from the other side, I have posted mass fire on sevral post still nothing, this thread is a charlie foxtrot... Its all confused I lost track of what was going on long ago..

Well, right now its pretty much an argument over who does what with the mooon. My advice? keep your distance and keep withering arrays of fire. Ships ain't all he has.

It has been documented many times when the movements of ships were only a distraction to lure others into undefendable situations like traps and minefields.

The same holds true here so Chron's advice is sound.

I didnt post losses as i havent engaged long enough, or close enough too. Plus after our first volley i was in space time conduits, 3 assault ships lost, they are slower inside the ubecht vector space.

Anyways this was very important as one of the main rules of the cluster and wars involved therein is the use of allies outside of the cluster. If SQ cant curb his allies i must disengage from fighting TFU, which i still will do..and engage NE to prevent him from entering the battle.

After all the job of the cluster police is to enforce law and order..and the destruction of a solar system is totally unwarranted and not allowed.

Basically SQ is breaking a ton of rules. I will edit my post now that it is cleared up to be nice. TFU the signal telling you we are no longer engaging you is still valid. However if you assist MM or NE when reinforcements arrive things will get dicey. Also..TFU i have a solution to this moon mess is simple. We are going to take control of the moon ourselves, claiming it for Tannelorn and the cluster police. Then you will be free to attack his other colonies, though we will defend him, and reinforcements are on the way..signifigant ones.

Sorry TFU, we actually didnt want this war in the cluster but we sort of got forced in to it. Even after this we are likely to be able to talk..in fact i think icly you should stop and not pursue SQ when we tell you we want to talk and now after this little mess is cleared.

Sorry for being a bit anal and as nasty as my IC could be..but we worked hard to bring peace to the cluster both ooc and ic. Now NE and the spartan alliance getting involved is a violation of the cluster compact..and though SQ wont be punished as he really has no way to stop NE from assisting, meaning we will engage NE and MM. This way either one, SQ can evacuate and TFU and tannelorn/balrogga/the council can initiate talks.

Ok expect a serious edit in the hour, i had two posts written for this thread. I gave you angry post. Now i will replace it with the post i would have written had i not read that little posting on NE and SQ both blowing the moon. Its not allowed in the cluster. We will write the compact itself, the only current laws are no large wars within the cluster and respect the authority of the cluster police.

However Tannelornian expeditionary fleet cant do it alone, the solution will be proposed in the council. After all we cant wait two days for reinforcements every time we are attacked by a large force.

Now lets get back to this and no more accusations of GMing or anything at all. After all in the case of Tannelornian technology its uhh very advanced. Chron would very much understand the Eldar reference. In fact tannelorn is a resurgance of an ancient empire, much like the Eldar attempting to reclaim their birthright..sorta. Cluster will deal with that.

Anyways to make this seem a little more clear. SQ isnt in trouble..however to resolve this, and because of the Allies the moon will be siezed by the 1st expeditionary force, this will make TFU stop his attack. Then NE will be matched, if he wont leave the system then he gets attacked to stop him from entering combat.

And on IRC from what everyone said that moon is a solar system killer. Thats the info on how powerful that explosion is i am going on. As far as we can tell the damn stuff you have in that moon, if its destroyed will create a very large explosion.

And NE, TFU you can still join the cluster despite this attack and what not.
If your interested that is. I am currently working on how to start a website for it.

I didnt post losses as i havent engaged long enough, or close enough too. Plus after our first volley i was in space time conduits, 3 assault ships lost, they are slower inside the ubecht vector space.

Ehh, I'll let you and TFU sort that out.

Anyways this was very important as one of the main rules of the cluster and wars involved therein is the use of allies outside of the cluster. If SQ cant curb his allies i must disengage from fighting TFU, which i still will do..and engage NE to prevent him from entering the battle.

Would you mind providing a link to the post stating that outside allies can't come in and help?

I never saw or heard of that before now.

After all the job of the cluster police is to enforce law and order..and the destruction of a solar system is totally unwarranted and not allowed.

I was never going to destroy the solar system. Can't say the same for NE.

Basically SQ is breaking a ton of rules. I will edit my post now that it is cleared up to be nice. TFU the signal telling you we are no longer engaging you is still valid. However if you assist MM or NE when reinforcements arrive things will get dicey. Also..TFU i have a solution to this moon mess is simple. We are going to take control of the moon ourselves, claiming it for Tannelorn and the cluster police. Then you will be free to attack his other colonies, though we will defend him, and reinforcements are on the way..signifigant ones.

Wouldn't it be easier just to move the moon to a more secure location like I suggested in the Cluster Conference?

And what rules are you claiming I'm breaking?

Sorry TFU, we actually didnt want this war in the cluster but we sort of got forced in to it. Even after this we are likely to be able to talk..in fact i think icly you should stop and not pursue SQ when we tell you we want to talk and now after this little mess is cleared.

A diplomatic solution. Something we agree on.

Sorry for being a bit anal and as nasty as my IC could be..but we worked hard to bring peace to the cluster both ooc and ic. Now NE and the spartan alliance getting involved is a violation of the cluster compact..and though SQ wont be punished as he really has no way to stop NE from assisting, meaning we will engage NE and MM. This way either one, SQ can evacuate and TFU and tannelorn/balrogga/the council can initiate talks.

Actually, I think SA has left from RPing this thread (I'm not sure if he knows about being able to delete his posts).

Ok expect a serious edit in the hour, i had two posts written for this thread. I gave you angry post. Now i will replace it with the post i would have written had i not read that little posting on NE and SQ both blowing the moon. Its not allowed in the cluster. We will write the compact itself, the only current laws are no large wars within the cluster and respect the authority of the cluster police.

Hmm, considering that TFU is invading my holdings, how are we going to get him out of my Cluster Space?

As for NE, well, we'll see how things turn out.

However Tannelornian expeditionary fleet cant do it alone, the solution will be proposed in the council. After all we cant wait two days for reinforcements every time we are attacked by a large force.

I'll help with what I can. Though, your attack on TFU's navy did distract him from shooting at me, so I could shoot at him without much risk. So, combined with your assault and what my guns did, well, I expect to see most of his forces destroyed by the two pronged assault.

Now lets get back to this and no more accusations of GMing or anything at all. After all in the case of Tannelornian technology its uhh very advanced. Chron would very much understand the Eldar reference. In fact tannelorn is a resurgance of an ancient empire, much like the Eldar attempting to reclaim their birthright..sorta. Cluster will deal with that.

Its the thing about detecting a power spike from something that wasn't even turned on that I had a problem with.

Anyways to make this seem a little more clear. SQ isnt in trouble..however to resolve this, and because of the Allies the moon will be siezed by the 1st expeditionary force, this will make TFU stop his attack. Then NE will be matched, if he wont leave the system then he gets attacked to stop him from entering combat.

Ehh, I still like the idea of simply moving it to a place where it can be safe. I can see about pulling some strings to get it in the place I know it will be safe.

And on IRC from what everyone said that moon is a solar system killer. Thats the info on how powerful that explosion is i am going on. As far as we can tell the damn stuff you have in that moon, if its destroyed will create a very large explosion.

While I may have OOCly compared the Quake Moon's explosion to a Centerpoint Pulse, the only reference I've had to a CP is from a Star Wars mod for Armada II. So, if the CP is an anti-star system thing, I was wrong in using that for comparison.

I also never said anything about it destroying the star system. Would I specifically state that half the world below is rendered unihabitable for a few million centuries if it would destroy the solar system?

And the charges set to clean up any left over QO crystals will be more powerful than the QO itself.

And NE, TFU you can still join the cluster despite this attack and what not.
If your interested that is. I am currently working on how to start a website for it.

Wouldn't an off-Jolt forum be easier? I could set one up in a few seconds for you if you want.

[Oh, lordy no.]

SQ...I beg you to see sense...If you assault Bal; then he, and everyone else will obliterate you utterly; myself included. There is a high ranking Imperial Inquisitor present on that thing...

As for ruining what could have been a great war RP; that happened a long time ago; when all the kerfuffle over who was going to do what with your stupid moon erupted.

Personally, I'd destroy it myself and give the entire system to TFU, if I could be bothered wading into this catastrophe.

SQ...I beg you to see sense...If you assault Bal; then he, and everyone else will obliterate you utterly; myself included. There is a high ranking Imperial Inquisitor present on that thing...

As for ruining what could have been a great war RP; that happened a long time ago; when all the kerfuffle over who was going to do what with your stupid moon erupted.

Personally, I'd destroy it myself and give the entire system to TFU, if I could be bothered wading into this catastrophe.

I have every right to defend myself, but you can be assured I won't fire the first shot. If Bal wants a fight, I'll leave it to him to start. Otherwise, I'll just accelerate my plans and blow up the Quake Moon with the unmined Quasar Olivium.

Or you could just let us do it; thus removing the need for you to make enemies of us. You can stand down; retreat; or we'll have to go through you to get to it.

Or you could just let us do it; thus removing the need for you to make enemies of us. You can stand down; retreat; or we'll have to go through you to get to it.
Wouldn't be possible IC'ly. SQians don't back down when they see their position as the just one. And any and all attacks on the moon will be viewed as an act of agression and could thus lead to war.

Oh, and check my last IC post where I responded to your message.

We are more than willing to stand our ground; we don't care which side is the just one, we care which side is the one which benefits us most. Your on the brink of being declared Hereticus Diablous

We are more than willing to stand our ground; we don't care which side is the just one, we care which side is the one which benefits us most. Your on the brink of being declared Hereticus Diablous

Heretic Devils, or something to that effect? Sorry, its been a year or so since I took Latin.

Something like that; in that effect you'll be hunted and purged by the Imperium wherever you found; tortured by Imperial Inquisition. All manner of nasty things; I advise you to listen to all the big nations with guns...

Something like that; in that effect you'll be hunted and purged by the Imperium wherever you found; tortured by Imperial Inquisition. All manner of nasty things; I advise you to listen to all the big nations with guns...

On the Cluster scale of power, we're all the same size (each having only 1/20th of the Cluster).

I did propose a diplomatic venue as a way to solve this thing in the message I sent in response to your last IC message.

We're through with listening to your words. Words which you never stand by. We want you to surrender. Now. Then we might have diplomacy. Of course you could tempt our wrath, see what the alternatives are; but honestly; you can't win. You'd be as well to accept this defeat, and yield to us.

We're through with listening to your words. Words which you never stand by. We want you to surrender. Now. Then we might have diplomacy. Of course you could tempt our wrath, see what the alternatives are; but honestly; you can't win. You'd be as well to accept this defeat, and yield to us.

When have I never stood by my word?

We can say what we please.

We can say what we please.

Uh, this is the OOC thread, and you've lost me.

Your attempt at spite would have failed because your knowledge at Dimensional Technology would be inferior to mine. There was a Dimensional Bubble around both the moon and planet (stated many times). It would be reasoned that you would not be able to get through it unless you were better at DT than I was. I have been doing active R&D longer than you have been on NS.

Backgrounds do not count; the dates on the posts are what count.

It was even mentioned that it would prevent your gate from working because the gate would not have been designed to overcome the extra barrier. I have selected not to enforce it because it would have meant your citizens would not get out. The D Bubble would have been placed around the planet to protect it in case the one around the moon failed to contain the energies from the destruction.

Don't say you placed it there as soon as I appeared because you had made several posts since then without mentioning it so your action was done purely out of bad sportsmanship.

As far as barging into the Thread, you were perfectly willing to threaten my participation to the others in this OOC thread and even responded to requests for information via TeleGram.

Hell, you even tried to tell me how to run my nation in the matter of entropy affecting me. There is more to the story and I have spoke to some people who have been in to WH40K for a loooong time. I would like to say they have played it for more years combined than you have been alive but I do not know your age nor will I attempt to guess.

I also posted twice about scanning your jump network. You never said anything until I threatened to post it in the data banks of the Cluster Council. You even posted that my Sensors were probably the best around. That means I would have been able to detect things you cannot, perhaps the nodes of your jump network. I have specialized in both Dimensional and Gravitational technologies after all.

Your pattern seems to be complaining and nit-picking anything that doesn’t go your way. I ask the others to tell me if I am wrong. We both can learn from this if we both listen to the others. Also, please keep it polite. No mods are needed if we remain calm and polite.

SQ; stop being a little bitch about it. Bal fired; he Rped all that occured simply to end your stupid bitching over your wretched little moon. That should have resolved the issue; but no, you had to jump in, and godmod out his shot and then put up a wanktastical unbreakable shield. You can either accept Bal's move, or be ignored by each of us, and consequently all of FT. You're embarressing yourself to try and salvage a win where there is none.

All you've done is make a fool of yourself, tear your measly reputation to shreds. I'm going to wait for you to change this back; and if you don't, well, I'll either utterly ignore you (Which I am loathe to do, I try not to ignore anyone; but you, honestly, are just begging for me to make an exception); or I will declare total war upon you.

If the GFFA try to intervene then I plan to join Sith against them, and bring all the support I can bring; and if they should ask why, I shall reply resoundingly that it is because of you.

The very thought of Chronosia thundering their way might even cause them to evict you from them too. I know they are tearing you a new arse hole over this too (the moon). Just wait until they see your poor sportsmanship here.

Also, to make a single point, you never stated the method you were able to break through the Dimensional Bubble. Since you did not clairify this, your shots were blocked by the exterior of said Dimensional Bubble. I carefully wrote the post so my cannons were inserted inside the DB so they could fire upon the moon. They were then immediately removed so they were not affected by the resulting reaction of the shots.

Also your comment about only accepting WH's ruling is biased because you would have accepted our help even if WH said not to help you. That is a cop-out and you know it.

A little FYI: When MM attacked WH's home system outside the Cluster, Tannelorn took the Cluster holdings of WH (which declaired themselves seperate from the MM controled ones) under his wing as Protectorates so technically he would be controlling the Cluster. When Martial Law was declaired, the control was moved away from WH so MM could not manipulate him into controlling the Cluster. Tannelorn is planning on returning WH to his own control once he gets back on his own feet. WaterHelper then dissappeared for a month due to RL issues and had just returned. He made the post at the council meeting stating he did not want any fighting in the Cluster. Since your actions pulled the war into the cluster along with several of your allies, you were found to be blamed.

I also ended it in a way that stopped the fighting, per WH's wishes.

Another thing, you cannot request me to leave the battle because:

1) it is in the cluster

2) you did not start any of the Threads so you have no say who is in it

3) none of the Threads are closed



Now do the right thing.

*Snip*ooc SQ you specifically put this in the cluster so you would have maximum allies and nations bigger then TFU honour bound to protect you..so stop getting annoyed when we do what we are supposed to inside the terms and agreements we signed. We cant just icly back out of them..we have to behave as police..we arent Allied with any of you..we are there to deal with problems and keep the peace.

The moon, the allies all of it became a breech of the peace. Why? because if your nation was even half way respect by its allies they would listen to the call to stay out of it.

You can continue your war with TFU..we dont care, however its likely the war inside the cluster is over..and it will carry on to other areas. Now TFU needs to split his fleet up and hunt you down. And if you like you can get the GFFA in to it and try to make it a bigger war..just dont do it in the cluster haha.

Considering that TFU would only know about my MWG holdings, I couldn't exactly put it anywhere else.

As for TFU, he still needs to post losses from the pummeling he took.

And as for the allies, they came of their own accord. Not because I asked them to (I never did get the link to the post saying outside allies couldn't help).

As for the matter of the Cluster Police, its not that I'm having any problem with that. But I do have a problem with Bal's going Gestapo on us (not even Chrono, a Chaos nation, is that affected by Chaos).

Only Waterhelper has the athuority to ask anyone to leave. The Cluster Police are a simpe peace-keeping security force.

And how was the moon a breach of the peace?

Your attempt at spite would have failed because your knowledge at Dimensional Technology would be inferior to mine. There was a Dimensional Bubble around both the moon and planet (stated many times). It would be reasoned that you would not be able to get through it unless you were better at DT than I was. I have been doing active R&D longer than you have been on NS.

Considering that I was already not on the now empty planet, but in orbit of the star with stations and ships, ehh, that part was easy.

Now, I've never disputed how long you've been around either.

Backgrounds do not count; the dates on the posts are what count.

Where you got the idea that I didn't know that, I'll never know.

It was even mentioned that it would prevent your gate from working because the gate would not have been designed to overcome the extra barrier. I have selected not to enforce it because it would have meant your citizens would not get out. The D Bubble would have been placed around the planet to protect it in case the one around the moon failed to contain the energies from the destruction.

First off, its GMing saying what my ARCHWAYS can and can't do (how many times do I have to say I don't use Stargates anymore!?).

Secondly, that was what the Jovian Barrier prototype had been placed in system for. In case someone came and tried to take or attack the moon, it would allow the Quake Moon to be sealed off from everything for a time long enough for everyone involved to grow up and mature OOC'ly and be far wiser IC'ly. When the barrier was to fail when the power went out, then we could all come back with far cooler heads and decide what to do with it then.

Don't say you placed it there as soon as I appeared because you had made several posts since then without mentioning it so your action was done purely out of bad sportsmanship.

I simply used Fluid Time to intercept your shot with my own and install a barrier around my moon.

As far as barging into the Thread, you were perfectly willing to threaten my participation to the others in this OOC thread and even responded to requests for information via TeleGram.

Dude, you have enough respect from me that I gave you the info you asked for. But I never threatened anyone with action by you (that I can remember). I simply wanted a good RP with a good story between me and TFU, but everyone comes barging in wanting to blow the moon or make me do it (hell, I didn't want to do it in the first place, but I had to concede to do it or have anti-star system weapons used by NE).

Hell, you even tried to tell me how to run my nation in the matter of entropy affecting me. There is more to the story and I have spoke to some people who have been in to WH40K for a loooong time. I would like to say they have played it for more years combined than you have been alive but I do not know your age nor will I attempt to guess.

No, I offered suggestions. I don't tell others how to run their nations (I get enough of that myself).

I also posted twice about scanning your jump network. You never said anything until I threatened to post it in the data banks of the Cluster Council. You even posted that my Sensors were probably the best around. That means I would have been able to detect things you cannot, perhaps the nodes of your jump network. I have specialized in both Dimensional and Gravitational technologies after all.

Well, I must have missed those posts, or thought if tracking was possible, it would only lead you to the spot that the Independence class vessels were sitting while the colonists transferred to them, and nowhere else (that was the only place the Belle Terre Archway was linked to).

As for some Jump Network, uh, the beauty of the SG style FTL is that it can be used anywhere and anytime (even through planets).

I am also not disputing that you know alot IC'ly about dimensional tech. Just so you know, IC'ly, SQ doesn't know how the Jovian Barrier does what it does, only that it does. Like I said, it was reverese-engineered from tech found buried at Nirai Kanai (ehh, the thread died before all the goodies that everyone involved is basing things off of were revealed).

Your pattern seems to be complaining and nit-picking anything that doesn’t go your way. I ask the others to tell me if I am wrong. We both can learn from this if we both listen to the others. Also, please keep it polite. No mods are needed if we remain calm and polite.

I'm generally very polite and tend rarely to swear. However, when I get seriously peeved, I have been known to cut loose.

As for the nit-picking charge, well, I can't help it if I do. I'm slightly perfectionist by nature, that I'm willing to admit.

SQ; stop being a little bitch about it. Bal fired; he Rped all that occured simply to end your stupid bitching over your wretched little moon. That should have resolved the issue; but no, you had to jump in, and godmod out his shot and then put up a wanktastical unbreakable shield. You can either accept Bal's move, or be ignored by each of us, and consequently all of FT. You're embarressing yourself to try and salvage a win where there is none.

Using Fluid Time to react to a post where no chance to react was given is not a GM. Having a post where no time to react is given is a GM, IMHO.

Basically, I'm trying to get back to the story between me and TFU before everyone barged in and demanded the moon be destroyed (by either me or someone else). That was where everything started to go South, IMHO.

It would have been "Conspiricy To Commit Genocide" if I had let NE launch his anti-star system weapons.

All you've done is make a fool of yourself, tear your measly reputation to shreds. I'm going to wait for you to change this back; and if you don't, well, I'll either utterly ignore you (Which I am loathe to do, I try not to ignore anyone; but you, honestly, are just begging for me to make an exception); or I will declare total war upon you.

I'm willing to compromise about the moon, but, like stated, the moon is now sealed from everything for the next five-thousand centuries. The only way to turn it off now (besides running out of power) is from the inside, but no one is inside the Jovian Barrier.

I'm willing to listen to any compromise proposals you suggest (excluding destroying the moon (I'm sick and tired of people not letting me do what I want with my own property in my own space)).

If the GFFA try to intervene then I plan to join Sith against them, and bring all the support I can bring; and if they should ask why, I shall reply resoundingly that it is because of you.

Last I checked, US and the rest of the GFFA were already fighting each other in a war.

yes, Sith and the GFFA were, but I wasn't involved. Now I am going to get involved. Because of you. You will be to blame, for everything that happens past this point.

Using fluid time in a thread to to go before an action and stop it from happening most certainly is GMing. You have no conception of proper ettiquette or fair play. I'm going to blow the moon; I'm going to incinerate everythign you own, and I'm going to lead everyone else in doing it.

And then I'm going to do the same to the GFFA in your name,

I have to go now, but I'll be back.

look forward to it.

Have a nice day

The very thought of Chronosia thundering their way might even cause them to evict you from them too. I know they are tearing you a new arse hole over this too (the moon). Just wait until they see your poor sportsmanship here.

Uhh, who are you talking about?

Also, to make a single point, you never stated the method you were able to break through the Dimensional Bubble. Since you did not clairify this, your shots were blocked by the exterior of said Dimensional Bubble. I carefully wrote the post so my cannons were inserted inside the DB so they could fire upon the moon. They were then immediately removed so they were not affected by the resulting reaction of the shots.

Huh!? I understand none of that technobable.

Also your comment about only accepting WH's ruling is biased because you would have accepted our help even if WH said not to help you. That is a cop-out and you know it.

No, I said only WH has the right and the authority to ask someone to leave.

A little FYI: When MM attacked WH's home system outside the Cluster, Tannelorn took the Cluster holdings of WH (which declaired themselves seperate from the MM controled ones) under his wing as Protectorates so technically he would be controlling the Cluster. When Martial Law was declaired, the control was moved away from WH so MM could not manipulate him into controlling the Cluster. Tannelorn is planning on returning WH to his own control once he gets back on his own feet. WaterHelper then dissappeared for a month due to RL issues and had just returned. He made the post at the council meeting stating he did not want any fighting in the Cluster. Since your actions pulled the war into the cluster along with several of your allies, you were found to be blamed.

I never did get that link for the post where Martial Law was declared.

As for pulling the war into the Cluster, that I had no choice with. Where else was I to set the fighting when TFU wouldn't know where any of my space was except my MWG holdings.

I also ended it in a way that stopped the fighting, per WH's wishes.

As was what I had intended to do.

*Points to diagram*

Any and all damage down to any ships in the system if I blew the moon would have been relegated to the Quake Moon's orbital plain around Belle Terre. In fact, it would have been the clean up Isolytic Burst charges that would do the most damage (unless you count chunks of rock being sent flying due to pressure build up in the central cavity as the release valve had been sealed as a WMD).

Another thing, you cannot request me to leave the battle because:

1) it is in the cluster

2) you did not start any of the Threads so you have no say who is in it

3) none of the Threads are closed

No, I had asked you to leave my space after your unprovoked attack and to return my Ambassador whom you have injured and are currently holding hostage along with everything he brought with him.

Now do the right thing.

The smart thing to do isn't always the right thing to do.

In this case, the smart thing to do is to get while the getting's good.

However, the right thing to do is solve this diplomatically to a point where all parties can agree.

yes, Sith and the GFFA were, but I wasn't involved. Now I am going to get involved. Because of you. You will be to blame, for everything that happens past this point.

Chrono, I said I was willing to listen to any compromise proposals you had to offer. No need to jump the gun.

Using fluid time in a thread to to go before an action and stop it from happening most certainly is GMing. You have no conception of proper ettiquette or fair play. I'm going to blow the moon; I'm going to incinerate everythign you own, and I'm going to lead everyone else in doing it.

Let me check the rules thread and we'll see who's right. However, making a post where the other party has no time given to react before something happens is a GM.

And then I'm going to do the same to the GFFA in your name,

A little hasty. I haven't had a chance to make an IC post yet.

I have to go now, but I'll be back.

We can talk on MSN about this mix-up.

look forward to it.

I will. You are an interesting person to converse with.

Have a nice day

I try to.

Considering all I have on-site are military forces (and Bal has my on-site diplomat held hostage and injured), you guys are getting the military side of things via IC messages and such.

ooc: SQ, Balrogga has the ability to do this. He has done moon swaps several times before, and there is no way that your energy cannon can stop his. (fun little thing where energy waves pass straight through each other)

According to the NS Wiki, this is defined as GMing:

Saying what happens to other people's stuff.

Why this is Godmoding: Because in FreeForm Roleplay, it's up to the person being attacked to determine their own losses.

Thus, him saying my moon was destroyed is considered a GM.

As for the Obsidian's Apocolyptic Warp Cannons, talk to Gronde, the designer, about what they can and can't do.

I suggest that you reconsider your post. Also, nice phallic ubershield. Even if Bal puts up with your energy thing, I'm going to Black Hole it.

As for the Jovian Barrier, your going to see it do its thing. While I may not have the experience with dimensional tech like Balrogga, I've had wormhole tech from the get-go, and this is a highly advanced combination of ancient tech found at Nirai Kanai and my own wormhole tech.

Oh, and here is the pic of the Obsidian that Gronde provides:
http://us.games-workshop.com/games/bfg/hobby/galleries/chaos/images/BlackstoneFortress.jpg

Here's the info:
The Obsidian Class is armed with the most powerfull guns that Gronde has ever made: The Apocolyptic Warp Cannons. Each one of these weapons exeeds the power of the Desolator's cannon several fold. Just a few shots can sweep through a fleet and break the back of an entire battle group on its own. It is a bit smaller than the Ultamus Class, has less armour, less docking capability, and fewer defencive weapons. However, it is much more mobile, allowing it to support Gronde naval units in attacks. It is more vulnerable on its own than the Ultamus as well. When it is on its own, it is best to place support FTLi generators in a perimeter around it.

Width: 25 Km
height: 20 Km
Mobility Rating: 6:10
Manufacturer: AoN Secret Projects

Weapons:
x4 Apocolyptic Warp Cannons
x10 Heavy Laser Batteries
x30 Laser Turrets
x120 Seeker Missile Launchers
x100 Med. Torpedo Tubes
x250 Light Laser Batteries

Docking Capacity:
800,000 Fighters

OOC: GM much, NE?
Allow me to count the ways:
-Phallic ubershield that can stop OMG11 ANYTHING!!!!!!11111111
-Hidden homeworld
-50 orbital platforms that can somehow equal the output of an Eclipse class SSD
-Inanely low crew numbers
-Inane ammounts of treknobabble trying to explain stuff, when the descriptions can be easily shashed down to "Better than yours, so there." I refer you to that "Project X" crap that is somehow an infinite energy source so you never need to dock. Or even better, the Quasar Olivium (sp?) that you apparated within the moon in question.
-Use of 'OMG11 Ancient Tech!' to make your forces uber, instead of developing your own custom designs
-Use of a million different techbases at the same time
-Constant ooc nitpicking ("I get to choose the moon because you didn't specify!" @@)
-The administrative powers incident on the GFFA forums

Your integrity is certainly enough that you're in good position to accuse others of GMing.

BTW, ever seen the edit button?

I wonder, if I want to be part of this RP, do I just post in the topic or something as my nation? (The United States of Earth. Freedom, Freedom, Freedom, oy!)

Allow me to count the ways:
-Phallic ubershield that can stop OMG11 ANYTHING!!!!!!11111111
-Hidden homeworld
-50 orbital platforms that can somehow equal the output of an Eclipse class SSD
-Inanely low crew numbers
-Inane ammounts of treknobabble trying to explain stuff, when the descriptions can be easily shashed down to "Better than yours, so there." I refer you to that "Project X" crap that is somehow an infinite energy source so you never need to dock. Or even better, the Quasar Olivium (sp?) that you apparated within the moon in question.
-Use of 'OMG11 Ancient Tech!' to make your forces uber, instead of developing your own custom designs
-Use of a million different techbases at the same time
-Constant ooc nitpicking ("I get to choose the moon because you didn't specify!" @@)
-The administrative powers incident on the GFFA forums

Your integrity is certainly enough that you're in good position to accuse others of GMing.

BTW, ever seen the edit button?


I only use 3 tech bases and I'm currently in the process of phasing 1 out so I'll only have the 2.

As for the 31 (when the thread started) Orbital Weapons Platforms, all Mark VI Zeus Cannons are armed with a Axial Super Laser and are powered by 10 Zero-Point Modules (3 of which are enough to power a single Atlantis class capital city ship at full power (but 1 is enough to keep the entire city on-line)). By saying Eclipse level fire power, I was being conservative.

I also deleted that post you quoted due to it being an over reaction.

And as for my hidden homeworld, I never said I would GM that forever. However, I will milk it for as long as I can.

As for any off-the-books projects I may or may not be doing. No comment.

My designs are custom. My Nova Bombs are my own, my Jovian Barrier is my own, my Archways are my own, my Doorways are my own. While I may not have any of my own pictures (I've said it from the start, my graphic skills and modeling skills aren't the greatest), I'm still able to make them my own via the info written up for them.

As for the matter of crew, I don't think 232 crew for a 307.1 meter long ship or 1,000 crew for a 520 meter long ship are too few. But, then I'm not filling every cubic millimeter of interior space with crew and I also have my redunencies and automation.

And I recommend you wait until you see the Jovian Barrier in action before casting judgement.

And I still don't get why people like MM can get away with using semantics and wording to get what they want and when I do anything similar, I get dog-piled.

I'm also sorely tempted to just quote the IC posts of TFU and myself up to a point in a new thread and close it so no more dog-piling can be done.

Now, I'm going to go AFK to cool down for a bit, and to think.

The point you continually try to avoid discussing is the moon was never yours. It belongs to the Cluster. As property of the cluster, the cluster represenatives, the Police (Tannelorn and myself) can destroy our own "property" at will if the situation demanded it. It would hypathetically be akin to you posting your own loss of a destroyer and we were able to say your ship did not explode because we wanted to do it ourself or wanted to save it for ourselves.

You never owned that property and never paid any rent. All WH wanted in turn for residence was nobody to fight. The Cluster was to be a political setting.

*looks around*

I see you were able to keep your end of the bargon with first MM. and now TFU.

Now since your own allies recognized this, why can't you?


Earthican, there is a Tread to post your request for one of the territories and there is a seperate Thread showing the map being constructed. If you get accepted you can pick one of the open ones.

Please do not think we are all like SQ.

What's that last line supposed to mean, Bal?

I got on MSN with TFU, US, Chrono, and MM and worked out what's going to happen to the Quake Moon.

Check the Imperial Accord thread between me and US for more info.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10977646#post10977646

Now, TFU, I've got a few ideas concerning the ground combat I would like to talk to you about. Send me a TG when you're on MSN next.

Ok its like this. As Balrogga did indeed say its not yours. However as the cluster itself is going to form an administration from all member states this will not change, but will change how things like this are carried out.

Right now Balrogga and i are the law. And though we helped at first we could no longer help once the destruction of any stellar body was about to commence. Part of the law of no allies interfering in cluster disputes or attacks was to prevent that kind of damage.

Thats why things got to the kill you point, and then in my case went back. I wanted to show that quite frankly after smashing ourselves against most of the people here to make the cluster peaceful as it should be, you shouldnt mess around with the current police.

Now we are going to propose the formation of True Cluster rangers with representatives of all cluster members. This unit will be responsible for the defense of the Cluster until the cluster council can act and mobilise enough troops.

This war came at a bad time for you SQ. Lets get this done honourably and accept things.

And TFU did indeed post casualties from my attacks, My attacks were meant to slow him, not hurt his fleet i didnt get close enough to do more then blast a few ships like i did. Hurt a fair bit but didnt kill that many.

And i would like to mention why alot of people do get annoyed at you in combats. Many nations here have been here for 3+ years, not only this they have rp'd their nations over those 4 years to become as powerful as they are.

Now in my early history at 400 million and 800 million we did indeed take on biggere nations then us. However the largest nations of the day were 1.2 billion when my nation was 500 million.

Your nation is 400 million people, sure you can have some good stuff, but dont expect to have a fleet capable of fighting TFU's fleet or even MM's fleet in a protracted full scale engagement. Its not possible..you dont have enough crew.

My fleet at 500 million was 300 170 meter escorts and 30 1km capital ships. That was a HUGE fleet for the day as well. SQ you always try to win these wars against people much larger, in the same way as mini miehm and you dont realise there are many situations where your just screwed.

This is one of them. If you notice my nation is bigger and much stronger then TFU..yet my 100 ships didnt even think about attacking his fleet in anything but a hit and run fashion. I can safely say that RP and ic effects Tannie ships make yours look bad, weapons, armour speeds and the like.

This is why your getting yelled at. Because you want to have everything everyone else worked for years to get, very quickly.

I dont mind you ooc but i do have problems with this attitude that you can have 1000's of vessels and millions of crew when your nation is so small.
Depends on the government, the nation and the RP, Pananab has a huge fleet..but its his entire nation living in space. And he made sure we knew 90% of that fleet was totally out of date. Try to modify your RP behaviour, and be humble amongst the bigger powers.

Sure you could fight a war against us, but you couldnt win the kind of war TFU is persecuting. If it had been a small skirmish or campaign over a planet itwould be different..but TFU brought his entire fleet to attack..i mean to be honest if you know where TFU's home system is..you should have been planning an attack on it with his fleet out of the way, for nothing more then forcing it to return home then anything else.

Stop thinking in the superpower mind set and try to think more of the Earth in SG series way. You have big allies, lots of know how and what not...but you arent a military powerhouse compared to TFU, its like if earth was invaded by the Guo'auld and did not have that nice ancient base in Antarctica.

SQ the reason so many people do these things, even things you consider godmodding is because they for a fact have rp'd this ability. When you look at a nation of 5 billion plus..my god they have been playing three years.

Seriously a little humility now and again. I didnt approach the TFU fleet thinking my forces could win..in face had i tried a lightning strike at that moment in time...that would have been it for my expeditionary forces, and they are by far my most experienced troops.

Yet you thought you could hold him off easily..To be honest you ask him about casualties...if it were even 600 of my vessels with the firepower i have, i would have brought up so many links and pieces of info that if any of those 100 or so vessels survived it would have been due to hero points and miracle factor in a straight fight.

You got alot of potential to be a good RPer but right now your mindset is wrong. Your not percieved as a big power. The best comparison i can give of your nation is that of syria, but your fighting germany. Thats the simplest way i can put your power level in this game, and everyones perception of it.

Sure you have a cool military and all. But TFU's military is far ahead of your in funding, size and firepower. Anything else that you two have in comparison ie training, skill tech, is between you and perception. Now lets fight this out fair.

And SQ just for your information being syria isnt bad. Syria actually has a rather powerful military, so do many other smaller nations. It might have been fairer to compare you to say norway or Denmark actually. Either way TFU's a military juggernaught you cant even hope to face in this system. The only chance you have in your war is taking it out of the cluster and splitting the battle up in to many smaller ones while engaging with your allies.

This is your 1st hellesponto's war. Maybe you can make it a draw, but in the cluster its a loss. This same thing happened to us long ago, and right now your just making everyone a little annoyed.

I believe your solution is a good one SQ, and it was a good call on everyones part to try to work this out nicely between you two.

But i wanted to say this SQ, as this is the reason alot of these ooc threads and war rp's you do crash and burn and degenerate in to flaming.
Know your place as we know ours, and try not to incite every big power on the block to wipe you out...Its not fun when they come calling..trust me.

Wait a few months, build up, get some more pop and rp the whole time. And i know you will SQ. Ok since this is now an SQ-TFU matter on the planet i assume now the cluster police are no longer needed, and we can flesh out the treaty and get back to finishing the RP, and working on the cluster

No hard feelings SQ, i am just telling you the things my group was told once long ago..and when it happened we built up, rp'd and waited..when the storm hit again we were ready and accepted. But right now these ooc messes
are holding you back.

Post Script:
By the way I accept Coaxial super lasers from star wars as not as big as you might think. This is because most people using them are much smaller then me, and tend not to have sufficient support to use the true blue Galactic empire super laser. If TFU had a ship with a superlaser i would accept it.

And by the way there are much simpler ways of making your nations power level super lasers. bomb pumped 1000 megaton spinal graser. Thats what i used in the first hellespontos war, in the second war it was up powered.

Your ZPM's shouled either be A) few in number and precious to your nation, a single ZPM powering your LARGEST starships or B) A much shoddier version of a ZPM that carries far less power, on the level of a naquada generator or fusion generator.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10977836#post10977836


gound assult posted

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10977836#post10977836


gound assult posted

Thank you.

Oh, and I've got a few ideas for this phase to make things more interesting. MSN?

Ok its like this. As Balrogga did indeed say its not yours. However as the cluster itself is going to form an administration from all member states this will not change, but will change how things like this are carried out.

Currently, I consider Waterhelper as the only one with the rights and authority to ask someone to leave the Cluster. Until I see a IC post of his that says otherwise, I'm not changing my mind about that.

Right now Balrogga and i are the law. And though we helped at first we could no longer help once the destruction of any stellar body was about to commence. Part of the law of no allies interfering in cluster disputes or attacks was to prevent that kind of damage.

Which is why US and I agreed to have you enforce the agreement/compromise about the Quake Moon. I sent you a TG in regards to this. I would prefer to talk the details over with you on MSN.

Thats why things got to the kill you point, and then in my case went back. I wanted to show that quite frankly after smashing ourselves against most of the people here to make the cluster peaceful as it should be, you shouldnt mess around with the current police.

Agreed. As for the RP in question, I'm quite willing to plan ahead OOC'ly with TFU in regards to the ground combat portion (I've got a few ideas he might like to make things more interesting).

Now we are going to propose the formation of True Cluster rangers with representatives of all cluster members. This unit will be responsible for the defense of the Cluster until the cluster council can act and mobilise enough troops.

Based on the B5 Rangers (a.k.a., An'la'shok) or the Texas Rangers?

This war came at a bad time for you SQ. Lets get this done honourably and accept things.

I've been trying to do the honorable thing. IMHO, a compromise that everyone can agree to is possibly the best thing. Once its agreed on OOC'ly, all it will require is a few edits to some posts.

And TFU did indeed post casualties from my attacks, My attacks were meant to slow him, not hurt his fleet i didnt get close enough to do more then blast a few ships like i did. Hurt a fair bit but didnt kill that many.

Link to post please?

And there's also the barrage of fire I was sending his way until I stopped under threat of Chrono attacking.

And i would like to mention why alot of people do get annoyed at you in combats. Many nations here have been here for 3+ years, not only this they have rp'd their nations over those 4 years to become as powerful as they are.

I've been pouring funding into R & D instead of ship construction. That's why I don't have so many ships here, but they can kick some serious butt. They are equipped with all the torps I've developed so far, but not my newest energy weapons.

Now in my early history at 400 million and 800 million we did indeed take on biggere nations then us. However the largest nations of the day were 1.2 billion when my nation was 500 million.

Hmm, not much difference then. Though, some of the now 7 billion nations were around back then as well, correct?

Your nation is 400 million people, sure you can have some good stuff, but dont expect to have a fleet capable of fighting TFU's fleet or even MM's fleet in a protracted full scale engagement. Its not possible..you dont have enough crew.

400 million? Where did you get that number? I'm between 1.3 and 1.5 billion, when I last checked that is.

With that number, I can crew every ship and station I have using the 5% of pop thing for military and still have at least a couple hundred million left over for logistics, marines, et cetera.

My fleet at 500 million was 300 170 meter escorts and 30 1km capital ships. That was a HUGE fleet for the day as well. SQ you always try to win these wars against people much larger, in the same way as mini miehm and you dont realise there are many situations where your just screwed.

Which is where I'm willing to compromise. OOC pre-planning for things this big is also quite helpful.

This is one of them. If you notice my nation is bigger and much stronger then TFU..yet my 100 ships didnt even think about attacking his fleet in anything but a hit and run fashion. I can safely say that RP and ic effects Tannie ships make yours look bad, weapons, armour speeds and the like.

My ships have a standard STL cruise speed of 0.25c. Full speed is 0.998c.

Not saying that to brag or boast. Just wanted to let you have all the info.

As for armor, ehh, maybe. Weapons, we concentrated on different tech trees, so who's to say.

Sizewise, my ships are tiny. 90% of my classes are under 500 meters long (makes them more mass-producable, more aqile, and quicker).

This is why your getting yelled at. Because you want to have everything everyone else worked for years to get, very quickly.

I tried the R & D thread, but it got locked as the Mods thought it was spam.

I dont mind you ooc but i do have problems with this attitude that you can have 1000's of vessels and millions of crew when your nation is so small.

With size of my ships and size of my nation, I would go with a 2,000 maximum standard per billion. However, I build my ships in a different manner. In fact, I have a little over twice the ships I have here. Most of my defenses were purchased from storefronts.

Depends on the government, the nation and the RP, Pananab has a huge fleet..but its his entire nation living in space. And he made sure we knew 90% of that fleet was totally out of date. Try to modify your RP behaviour, and be humble amongst the bigger powers.

IC'ly SQians tend to be self-sufficient and not willing to take *censored* from anyone. Its been that way from day one.

Sure you could fight a war against us, but you couldnt win the kind of war TFU is persecuting. If it had been a small skirmish or campaign over a planet itwould be different..but TFU brought his entire fleet to attack..i mean to be honest if you know where TFU's home system is..you should have been planning an attack on it with his fleet out of the way, for nothing more then forcing it to return home then anything else.

Considering most of my forces are focused on defending Belle Terre, what would I send to attack his homeworld without leaving my own systems undefended?

Stop thinking in the superpower mind set and try to think more of the Earth in SG series way. You have big allies, lots of know how and what not...but you arent a military powerhouse compared to TFU, its like if earth was invaded by the Guo'auld and did not have that nice ancient base in Antarctica.

Interesting philosophy.

SQ the reason so many people do these things, even things you consider godmodding is because they for a fact have rp'd this ability. When you look at a nation of 5 billion plus..my god they have been playing three years.

Understood.

Seriously a little humility now and again. I didnt approach the TFU fleet thinking my forces could win..in face had i tried a lightning strike at that moment in time...that would have been it for my expeditionary forces, and they are by far my most experienced troops.

Just an F.Y.I., but humility was never my strong suit.

Yet you thought you could hold him off easily..To be honest you ask him about casualties...if it were even 600 of my vessels with the firepower i have, i would have brought up so many links and pieces of info that if any of those 100 or so vessels survived it would have been due to hero points and miracle factor in a straight fight.

Honestly, the most powerful things I have in system are the two Obsidian class super fortresses I purchased. The main guns on those are advertised as being anti-fleet weapons. All I've been doing is lobbing shots TFU's way.

My Mark VI Zeus class ODPs (the Axial Super Laser model), are the second most powerful. Hell, any gun with 10 Ancient style Zero Point Modules providing power should have a serious kick to it (it only took 1 ZPM to power Atlantis in the series and three to get it at full strength).

Now, if he had pressed the assault on me instead of switching his focus to you, I would have had more losses.

You got alot of potential to be a good RPer but right now your mindset is wrong. Your not percieved as a big power. The best comparison i can give of your nation is that of syria, but your fighting germany. Thats the simplest way i can put your power level in this game, and everyones perception of it.

Sorry, but I'm not getting the reference. I never was that good at history.

Sure you have a cool military and all. But TFU's military is far ahead of your in funding, size and firepower. Anything else that you two have in comparison ie training, skill tech, is between you and perception. Now lets fight this out fair.

Size, yes, in both numbers and actual ship size.

Funding, perhaps. But then again, my armed forces fall pretty high on the power ladder I drew up for my nation. Its just below positions appointed by my Imperial family and just above Planetary governments.

Firepower, ehh, without all the wanking TFU's been known for in the past (hopefully won't have any this time around). Honestly, I would put it on the same level. I've got the advanced weapons, he just upped weapon power.

Honestly, a low yield, shield ignoring weapon is more potant than any mutli-gigaton yield that has to breach shields.

Just an F.Y.I., in canon, an unmodified Goa'uld shield could withstand a 1 gigaton nuke without a scratch. Mine are far more advanced and capable.

And SQ just for your information being syria isnt bad. Syria actually has a rather powerful military, so do many other smaller nations. It might have been fairer to compare you to say norway or Denmark actually. Either way TFU's a military juggernaught you cant even hope to face in this system. The only chance you have in your war is taking it out of the cluster and splitting the battle up in to many smaller ones while engaging with your allies.

Honestly, I doubt many of my GFFA allies would honor their constitutional agreement to help me if I called for it.

Also, I do believe that his desire to capture Belle Terre (which he stated on MSN), will give my defenses the upper ground as he won't use his PKs (which I'm not so sure if they aren't wank or not (hell, I'm not that big a DS fan myself and the GG just sounds a little screwy (don't get me started on the Sun Crusher and other anti-star system weapons))).

Historically, the defenders always had an advantage (like the whole reason behind the design of spiral stair cases in Mid-Evil times).

While I may not be a NS China in pop, I still have more than the US (United States, not Unified Sith) in pop.

And juggernaut or not, he's also got to respect that I could win if I turn this into a NS Vietnam. Give his civilan pop an outcry by maiming enough of his troops and we'll see how his government reacts and if they want to be overthrown by the civilians.

This is your 1st hellesponto's war. Maybe you can make it a draw, but in the cluster its a loss. This same thing happened to us long ago, and right now your just making everyone a little annoyed.

Hellesponto? That's a Greek thing, correct?

And while I may try to win, who doesn't when they are fighting in IC combat without any OOC planning and co-operation. But it doesn't mean I'll do it at any cost.

I believe your solution is a good one SQ, and it was a good call on everyones part to try to work this out nicely between you two.

Thanks.

But i wanted to say this SQ, as this is the reason alot of these ooc threads and war rp's you do crash and burn and degenerate in to flaming.
Know your place as we know ours, and try not to incite every big power on the block to wipe you out...Its not fun when they come calling..trust me.

I try not to. Honestly, I just try to RP. But its like everyone's targeting me for some reason or another.

Wait a few months, build up, get some more pop and rp the whole time. And i know you will SQ. Ok since this is now an SQ-TFU matter on the planet i assume now the cluster police are no longer needed, and we can flesh out the treaty and get back to finishing the RP, and working on the cluster

Try telling Bal that. I've been trying to reach him in regards to talking compromise, but I've got nothing. According to a post by Godular on the GFFA forums, he won't agree to it.

No hard feelings SQ, i am just telling you the things my group was told once long ago..and when it happened we built up, rp'd and waited..when the storm hit again we were ready and accepted. But right now these ooc messes are holding you back.

None taken.

It would also help if some of the older nations would stop trying to hold me down.

Post Script:
By the way I accept Coaxial super lasers from star wars as not as big as you might think. This is because most people using them are much smaller then me, and tend not to have sufficient support to use the true blue Galactic empire super laser. If TFU had a ship with a superlaser i would accept it.

If you want, I can show you the info I wrote up regarding the Zeus class ODPs. They use Super Star Destroyer style Axial Super Lasers and not Death Star style Super Lasers.

And by the way there are much simpler ways of making your nations power level super lasers. bomb pumped 1000 megaton spinal graser. Thats what i used in the first hellespontos war, in the second war it was up powered.

The only Grazer I'm familiar with is the one from Under Seige II, a Stevin Segal movie.

Your ZPM's shouled either be A) few in number and precious to your nation, a single ZPM powering your LARGEST starships or B) A much shoddier version of a ZPM that carries far less power, on the level of a naquada generator or fusion generator.

Full-scale, canon ZPMs were the last thing I finished in my R & D thread before it got locked. All it took was looking at the Ancient blue-prints in the databanks on Atlantis and finding an Ancient ZPM factory or figure out how to build a new one using modern tech.

OOC: Bal, if you hadn't noticed, that's a GM. The Quake Moon has survived 100% intact. Also, if you hadn't noticed, a compromise has been reached regarding the Quake Moon that both TFU and Chrono have agreed to. One that keeps it intact.

The only one GodModing here is you. You are trying to tell me what I can and cannot do with property that I am holding in possession as part of the Military Government of The Cluster. You cannot tell me what I can and cannot destroy when it is my own property. You are trying to call my losses. I know you have made this very same claim in this thread yourself, so that would make your actions a bit hypocritical.

The moon was already destroyed and spread evenly across the dimensional structure of the Multiverse. No Endorse even posted recognition of it.

You did not post how your beams penetrated the Dimensional Bubble so they did not. They struck the barrier of the Dimensional Bubble and were stopped. Period.

The whole thing already happened and is considered over. The next post of mine (unless something happens) will be returning the Fortress back to Draconus Prime to continue with the meeting now that this business is considered over. If it wasn’t finished, I would have to stay and get involved in the battle…

Another thing to consider; what is the definition of Martial Law?

According to Dictionary.com, it is the following:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=martial%20law

martial law

n : the body of law imposed by the military over civilian affairs (usually in time of war or civil crisis); overrides civil law

That is why the Cluster Police has the authority to evict you. Also, the moon WAS NOT YOUR PROPERTY, EVER!

When the moon was destroyed, you were evicted and had no claim over any real estate in the cluster, just your own belongings like ships, toothbrushes, clothes, porn mags, ect…

Now let the whole moon topic rest because it is over and done with. There is no way you will get to keep Cluster Property so it was destroyed. Your own ally agreed it was destroyed (No Endorse endorsed the erasure).

You continuation of this is just making you look worse and worse every time you post, especially when you cut a post up and nit-pick it to death, almost like you are trying to win some sort of popularity contest or high school debate competition. (Watch as he does it with this one too.)

I consider this whole thing closed. Done. Over with. Finished. And that is the reason I will not back up and edit the Thread.

It is History already.

Now get on with your little ground war so that part can be finished too.

The only one GodModing here is you. You are trying to tell me what I can and cannot do with property that I am holding in possession as part of the Military Government of The Cluster. You cannot tell me what I can and cannot destroy when it is my own property. You are trying to call my losses. I know you have made this very same claim in this thread yourself, so that would make your actions a bit hypocritical.

Wrong. Its not your property. This segement of the Cluster was given to me by Waterhelper, not you.

The moon was already destroyed and spread evenly across the dimensional structure of the Multiverse. No Endorse even posted recognition of it.

Ever hear of a litle thing called the edit button? Learn to use it. Chrono, TFU, US, and I have already come up with a compromise regarding the Quake Moon that keeps it intact.

You did not post how your beams penetrated the Dimensional Bubble so they did not. They struck the barrier of the Dimensional Bubble and were stopped. Period.

Bull! They fully intercepted your shot. Stop GMing and learn to compromise.

The whole thing already happened and is considered over. The next post of mine (unless something happens) will be returning the Fortress back to Draconus Prime to continue with the meeting now that this business is considered over. If it wasn’t finished, I would have to stay and get involved in the battle…

You mean if your GMing wasn't finished. As TFU is the starter of this thread, he can have your anti-compromise posts deleted by the mods.

Another thing to consider; what is the definition of Martial Law?

According to Dictionary.com, it is the following:

I know the freaking definition.

That is why the Cluster Police has the authority to evict you. Also, the moon WAS NOT YOUR PROPERTY, EVER!

Incorrect.

First off, the Quake Moon was mine by being in my space.

Secondly, the CP does not have the authority to evict me. Only in your imagination.

Thirdly, going by Godular's logic, as Waterhelper is a protectorate of Tann (which I've yet to see links to posts proving this), that puts Tann in charge, not you.

When the moon was destroyed, you were evicted and had no claim over any real estate in the cluster, just your own belongings like ships, toothbrushes, clothes, porn mags, ect…

Oh get over yourself. The moon wasn't destroyed and you have no authority to evict me from, what was it, oh yes, WATERHELPER'S Cluster.

Now let the whole moon topic rest because it is over and done with. There is no way you will get to keep Cluster Property so it was destroyed. Your own ally agreed it was destroyed (No Endorse endorsed the erasure).

Bal, you haven't been paying attention I see. A compromise has already been reached that renders that null-and-void.

You continuation of this is just making you look worse and worse every time you post, especially when you cut a post up and nit-pick it to death, almost like you are trying to win some sort of popularity contest or high school debate competition. (Watch as he does it with this one too.)

Dude, grow up and stop with the petty insults.

First of all, I'm not the only one to respond to lengthy quoted posts like this.

Secondly, I'm responding to each portion of the post and keeping the response with the part I'm responding to. Not nit-picking.

I consider this whole thing closed. Done. Over with. Finished. And that is the reason I will not back up and edit the Thread.

Then you'll be known as a GMer who went against the majority on this.

It is History already.

The thread is still open. That means the edit buttons still work. So don't give me that bull.

Now get on with your little ground war so that part can be finished too.

If I have my way, the ground war won't de-evolve into a cluster-f*k of a dog-pile like the space combat one because of actions of people like you.

You don't actually have a majority. I'm still against all this.

Actually SQ, your calling Bal a godmodder is like Seph calling someone a bad RPer. REALLY convincing...

Ever hear of a litle thing called the edit button?

Earlier @ SQ:
BTW, ever seen the edit button?
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10974879

*snicker* Look at who wrote posts 153-156 within an hour of each other.



Anyways, I'm completly against this conclusion. Bal is completly against it, as are Tannelorn I believe and Chrono. Idunno about TFU or US.

The last time I checked, Unified Sith was not a tennent of the Cluster. When TFU defeats you and requests your old territory, he will become a tennent. You are no longer a tennent.

None of you three has any say in the Cluster at this moment. That includes the fate of the moon. Tannelorn backed my actions completely and I have the logs to prove it at home on my PC.

Hey, Tannelorn, could you please post your opinion so this can be finally done with? He admitted you can end this with a single word. Also, I think it will soon be time to introduce The Sandman.

I refuse to accept any one account until we determine whether it exists or was destroyed.

I refuse to accept any one account until we determine whether it exists or was destroyed.

I thought US had brought you around.

That remains to be seen, and depends upon the fate of the moon being actually decided

SQ...you dont rp your research..

In fact you write things such as this.

Phased shielding completion= 24 days.

Thats not research, and when i look up your nation on NS its 400 million, either way your a joke to TFU.

Researching your stuff actually looks more like this.

The space time sciences wing of the facility had been in full swing for months now, in preparation for the majour fleet refits to follow the intensive period of R&D following the first conflicts in the Pocket.

After all it was about time they had been given the go ahead to start work on new projects, with the addition of exploratory mission's to the navy's profile of duties to the citizenry, "exotic matter" had become more and more abundant. And it was this "Exotic matter" as researchers had called it, was a primary component in Urenbeck technology.

The other forms of Space time compression used by Tannelorn had used a power source not quite so...safe. Miniature black holes, such as in the STC jump drive used by the SDF class vessels to ferry hundreds of ships to a war zone in an incredibly short time. This method of FTL and STC was considered too drastic, and dangerous by Prince Jan Albericht, and he had banned the creation of more of the devices.

However limited experiments had been allowed at Hel station, none of them of course went anywhere, as they were simply not able to get enough Exotic matter, nor make a safe black hole to do anything more then they had already achieved.

Recently many projects concerning the Urenbeck field had come to fruition. After all there had been almost 400 years of theory to go upon, experimentation, and implementation were simple in comparison to other projects, such as the smart missile program.

Professor Polaski was considered to be one of the top space time theorists in the
science caste, and he didnt earn his reputation without reason. Even in the nurseries he was a phenomenal student, mastering concepts many students couldnt even grasp within a short period of time. He had spent much of his early career experimenting with the efficiency of urenbeck fields, to allow them to operate with much less "exotic matter" then before.

It was his research on the applications of the field itself which had gained him notoriety within the science caste. He had determined that space time compression could occur around a fixed unit, allowing it to still interact with the rest of the universe, while altering the laws of physics ever so slightly. This of course had many applications, from medical stasis chambers, to military grade deflection shielding.

In fact it was on this day he was finally testing the full scale version of two items his research team had concocted. He grinned wearing his long blue coat, his frizzy wavy blond hair framing his cherub like features. The good Professor, after all was only 29 years of age.


So you think your ships can be as good as mine and bal's simply because you wrote an ETA on completion?
Communistic govt's also rp's his research. If i were an unbiased analyst, i would say Communistic, if he fought you in a war would have the decided technical edge.

TFU has also written real reseach posts.

You know all you say about funding..quite nice SQ, but think my nation icly in the last 400 years has been tossing tens of trillions in to research...well lets just say that beats your mess of different cultures to pieces. As does Balrogga or TFU. The mess is done but i want to put it to you quite clear.

If i ever engage your ships in battle it would be very very one sided. If i ever engaged you on the ground it would also be very, very one sided.

Same goes for Bal, TFU, Chron and the like. Unless you can rp yourself to victory that is.

And the hellesponto's wars were a majour series of wars that ended in Tannelorn conquering the Eldar Craftworld of Tor Yvresse. Who was three times larger then me. However i had allies, and he made a horrific mistake. IT would have won in a victory for us had he not been a fool.

And TFU brought his ENTIRE fleet to face you.

And he could support a fleet that large, considering 5% of his population is 50 million. And with computer automation his crew sizes dont need to be that big.

My 1.2 km ship has a crew of 800, my 500 meter vessel has a crew of 400.
They both have armsmen compliments [marines].

The last time I checked, Unified Sith was not a tennent of the Cluster. When TFU defeats you and requests your old territory, he will become a tennent. You are no longer a tennent.

None of you three has any say in the Cluster at this moment. That includes the fate of the moon. Tannelorn backed my actions completely and I have the logs to prove it at home on my PC.

Hey, Tannelorn, could you please post your opinion so this can be finally done with? He admitted you can end this with a single word. Also, I think it will soon be time to introduce The Sandman.


OOps, wrong opinion.

I meant about the state of SQ residence and the fate of the moon. The topics he is using to hold the whole dang thing from finally going away.

Please post your take on the subject so we can bury it once and for all. He said you have the authority to boot him.

You did not post how your beams penetrated the Dimensional Bubble so they did not. They struck the barrier of the Dimensional Bubble and were stopped. Period.


Bull! They fully intercepted your shot. Stop GMing and learn to compromise.



Let's look at the original posting to see if there was any mention of how it penetrated the Dimensional Bubble. If not, then you didn't and the two different shots were successful. Here is the direct link to the Post. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10972758&postcount=101) Unless he edits it to read something different, the proof is here:


Unfortunately, nothing happened and the Quake Moon remained (OOC: Stop trying to solve things for others, this thread was between me and TFU, and no one else). Both Obsidians had fired their Apocolyptic Warp Cannons and intercepted the Balroggan shot in mid-flight.

I see nothing in any description of how you got by the Dimensional Bubble. Just the words " Both Obsidians had fired their Apocolyptic Warp Cannons and intercepted the Balroggan shot in mid-flight". Hardly even worth typing in a real Role-Play. It sounded like they were typed in anger instead of RPing. They had a feeling of "Take That!! HA!!!" in my own opinion.

If I would be insane enough to even accept that poor attempt at RPing, then the moon would have been saved for about ten seconds while I neutralized your Obsidians and then typed "The Fortress fired it's main guns at the moon and magically ignored the Jovian Shield the same way the shots from the Obsidians ignored my Dimensional Bubble ending with a loud BOOM as the moon was disintegrated".

I would only be taking a page out of your own book and tossing it in your face (the moon shot TFU made clearly stated "Target THAT moon" indicating a specific target instead of a random one. Look up the quote yourself. It is in Post #35 and you quoted it in Post #36 of the IC Thread so he could not have edited after you Quoted him).

But I am clearly not insane and I clearly don't post single line defenses and I will not change my mind (or post) about the moon.

It is destroyed and beyond the reach of any player on NS (other than [Violet] and her employees).

TFU just wants the RP to continue, but you will keep digging up and beating this dead topic to a pulp. It will not change the fact it is done and finished since Post #100.

Please let it lie dead and get on with your life, and the RPs. You are only annoying everyone else. You will be making enemies out of allies and potential allies with this path you are taking.

Can Tannelorn and Bal please confirm for me the state of SQ's residency in the Cluster?

For confirmation, please check out the Cluster Thread where both CG and Tannelorn suggested what to do with SQ's old territory.

Oh its not for me; its so SQ can finally see where he stands.

Yeah basically after all the bogus crap and the blowing up the moon his nation is effectively out. That and trying to pull those outrageous stunts. Yes Chron he is. Now this isnt to say he is ignored or the like, but i am going to say this is a good lesson to be learned as to why you dont do such messed up stuff as you tried to pull.

We told you dont blow up the planet, no allies before hand and you did. As in RL foreign policy dictates. After all we are all sharing a tiny pocket filled with lots of stars. We MUST be good neighbours as what we do effects each other!

And i do believe i was sending in troops, not sure. If i was i will send them in before i log out for the night.

Very much yes SQ is out of the cluster, if he has colonists that wish to stay it will be under a police protectorate, but SQ government no longer has any sway.

This does not Leave sq 100% out of the cluster as he can still have the odd character, or even plot to get back in.

As i said its not because we dislike you but because we have only a few hard and fast laws and you broke a few, what else are we supposed to do SQ. Only Balrogga and I actually own our territory, well that and Pananab as no one wants to fight him over it. Still the Cluster council will talk on it, expulsion is likely.

Your involvement will not be as a coloniser anymore but as other, as pananab is. But icly and officially SQ's territory is being granted to TFU.

I have given Bal and Tan permission to boot anyone with a good reason. I do believe that you have been "booted"