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SR-70 Sniper Rifle
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Name: SR-70 Sniper Rifle\ODS
Designed by: Phoenix Dynamix Original
Caliber: 25mm or 15.5mm (this is not going to be made in 20mm, don't ask)
Action: straight pull, (single shot self-loading "Smooth Action") bolt action
Barrel exactly 1 meter long
Capacity: 6-1,000 round adjustable belt or single shot
Effective Range: 1500+ meters
MOA: 0.7(25mm) 0.6(15.5mm)
Maximum Range 2300 meters(25mm) 2500 meters (15.5mm)
The SR-70 is the ultimate 25mm Sniper rifle and was designed for TPM's army after the Barret M82 .50 caliber proved ineffective on certain targets such as light APC's and some up armored vehicles. The Rifle reatures an 8 tube recoil dampening system and a full length 3-spring buffer system hooked on the main free floating barrel. Gel inserts in key areas also help keep the recoil of the large caliber 25mm or 15.5mm round down to managble levels. The SR-70 can be switched to 15.5mm from 25mm with a simple barrel/action swap which can be done in about 1 minute. The barrel also easily removes and attaches to a lower lug for easier transport. Minimal rail system and clasp mounts allow any known optic to be attached with ease. The intergral bipod can fold easily or slip into two legs of a tripod system for advanced stabilization.
Price
$6000

Whats its Rate of Fire?

I wan't to know how fast it would fire off a 1,000 round belt. Also, what rounds does it fire? HE? AP?

Its a bolt action it fires as fast as you work the bolt.

Although why it has a belt feeding system is beyound me as belt feed and bullpup don't go together at all as the belt will get wraped around your arm and you will be getting red hot shell cases ejected directly into your ear

Also why make a belt fed bolt action weapon? all it does is make the rifle heavier and a true sniper rifle has no need of the ammo capacity...

"We wish to purchase 1,000 of these rifles."

Order confirmed.

Why make a belt fed bolt action weapon?

Simple, belts of 25mm and 15.5mm ammo are readily available in my military as it is a standard machine gun round and would be carried by other forces if the sniper team using this rifle is in need of quick resupply. It can also use hand loaded single shot match grade bullets, but to be viable in combat it has the option to use belts. But if you look clost there is a tray like structure which alows the rounds to go over the arm and then drape down about 2 inches past and it has a top ejection port canted to the right.

OOC:

I'm afraid that really wouldn't work. Your meaning for using the belt and the ejection is fine, but the belt action really doesnt work in bullpup.

A) Why haven't real life nations used it? Obviously if they haven't tried it, it isn't a viable option.

B) Using British military terms, the tray would be fine if you were firing from prone, crouching and standing. However...

...If you were holding it at low port (at the hip, for situations when you aren't firing it) the tray and belt would get in the way of the hand area. Bullpup is akward enough as it is (lugging the L-85 around isn't fun).

"Money has been wired."

...If you were holding it at low port (at the hip, for situations when you aren't firing it) the tray and belt would get in the way of the hand area. Bullpup is akward enough as it is (lugging the L-85 around isn't fun).
You will not be holding a 1 meter+ long 25mm sniper rifle at low port you would hold it by the carrying handle or the intersection of the butt and grip, much like you hold an M16 when using the bayonet http://www.tradoc.army.mil/pao/training_closeup/assault.jpg

and actually even if you did want to carry it like that, aside from strianing your muscles, I dont see the problem when i add arms in the 3d program i made it in

OOC:

Good point, I'm forgetting the scale of the thing. Sorry, I was thinking of a smaller rifle.

We congradulate you, Phoenix Dynamix, on a new version of a quality sniping weapons platform.

However, seeing as we still use the SR-23 Sniper Rifle, who's maximum range exceeds this new sniping platfrom, we regret to inform you we would feel more comfortable with having a maximum range of 2500 meters than a range of 2300 meters, and feels good to our Special Forces.

Besides, both effective ranges are the same!

Thank you Phoenix Dynamix for many years of weapons.

Ahh but the round of the SR-23 is only about 8mm wheras this is 25mm and can destory light tanks, APC's and trucks easily.

Ok, why not! Migt as well have that ability.

We'd like to purchase Private Production Rights, as we usually do, and have your seal of approval to post on our weapons boards.

Do you have a price for us?

30 million sound right for you, but you other people better not get any ideas about prouction rights.


Also it should be noted that up to 3,000, hell even 4000 meters may be possible, although accuracy will not be the same as 2300 which is why its only rated for 2300 meters

W00t! I'm special!

*Shoes I'M SPECIAL card to The Pheonix Militia, then wires $30 Million Universal Standard Dollars to Phoenix Dynamix accounts.*

Now, time for some head-explodin' action...

EDIT

OOC:

Please send me the specs to the gun via PM so I can post'em up on my boards.

The Dominion wants the prouction rights for this gun. Money will be wired.

OOC: Had to do it. I’m like one of your top firearm buyers.

the what?

OOC: Lets see, .50 Cal; is 12.7mm.

This is 25mm; more than double the size and definitely more than 2x the recoil. No recoil softening systems besides a bi-pod. After the first shot it'd dislocate your arm... You might want to tone down the size... A lot; I mean Russian AA guns use a bullet more than 10mm SMALLER THAN YOURS and those guns rip pilots and thier planes in half. I suggest either 14.7mm or 13mm.. 25; now thats just bullcrap. I mean that bullet would rip apart a receiver the size of an M-16. You'd need a big; heavy, entirely steel and chromium gun the size of a 'Ma duce' ...

OOC: Forgot two words. I was doing something. Edited!

Order Confirmed.


Sparta I unignored you for a second to see if you placed an order..

1. http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifles.htm#xm109

2. the smaller tubes around the main barrel are for anti-recoil purposes, there is a floating barrel, spring systems and gel dampening system, which you will see when i post the field stripped image..

3. it also comes in 15.5mm and the guin is larger than the 'Ma duce'

4. you're back on ignore, bye

Order Confirmed.

****Money wired****

OOC: The Barrett still despite that; has the recoil of a 12 gague winchester SHOTGUN!. 15.5mm bullets are going to do the same as 25mm; cause massive arm tramua. What I do know is that the Barrett .50 BMG M99 or what ever that they supply to snipers is one of the most unpleasant to shoot because it's loud, and it stings like a bitch to shoot. Now what your doing is making it into a caliber that Russian AA guns with barrels normally 2 inches thick in diameter can withstand. Your begging for casualties casued by the gun alone. 25 mm will dislocate the arm on the first shot.

Gel, isn't a very good idea as it transmits protiential energy like a pendulum. So unless the Barrel smashes into the gel as the gel pushes into the springs. Then yes; otherwise the gel is useless...

You might as well give up posting, I've proved I was right and im not gonna unignore you... go sell your 2,000 rpm guns with an MOA of .0001 and a range of 5,000 meters somewhere else and please stay out of my threads.

Order confirmed.

Why make a belt fed bolt action weapon?

Simple, belts of 25mm and 15.5mm ammo are readily available in my military as it is a standard machine gun round and would be carried by other forces if the sniper team using this rifle is in need of quick resupply. It can also use hand loaded single shot match grade bullets, but to be viable in combat it has the option to use belts. But if you look clost there is a tray like structure which alows the rounds to go over the arm and then drape down about 2 inches past and it has a top ejection port canted to the right.

So you add a large degree of complexity and weight for some extremely vague logisitcal reason? i mean how many rounds are you expecting your anti material operators to shoot? and do you hoenstly expect them to either hand load thier nice clean high grade ammo but be prepared to carry the extra weight required for the ability to fire rough grade MG ammo that gets raked through the dirt before firing? (no hint of an ammo pouch).

It appears than the XM109 does indeed survive despite the recoil being rated as beyond the limitations of human usage, the only way to even get close to taming the recoil of that beast of a round is using a truely massive muzzle break, springs and gel don't recude the recoil they only delay it (they actually have springs in the XM109 but they are there to slow down the bolt so the rifle doesn't explode).
Now these are issues relating to the relatively low velocity 25mm round, the 15.5mm is a whole other beast

The belts would be taken from machine gunners only if your "sniper" runs out of the match grade ammo which he would carry on his gear in pouches.

I included a large muzzle break anb the suspended barrel vents at two places to counter act recoil :sniper:

So you include the capability based on the vanishingly unlikely chance that your sniper will run out ammo when he is near a MG team? bah just give them a magazine, he can reload his match grade ammo ncie and quickly and keep it nice and clean and organised and if he really needs ammo, he just asks the MG team to run a belt through the delinker and loads his magazines, it takes more time but then again that is exactly what a sniper would have.
This is of course based on the idea that your sniper is a sniper and not just a squad support DMR which would be pretty poiintless as a squad with an OCSW already has a decently accurate weapon for firing that ammo.

I like how it looks ok :P and our DMR units use .408 or .450 Designated Marksman Rifles!!!!

The SR-70 is the ultimate for the anti-material role.

The SR-70 is the ultimate for the anti-material role.
Don't make me pull out the Thunderclap or Godslayer...

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