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Greetings!

Today marks the day when the Motherland Armed Forces is downsizing its weapon classes to fit All catagories into one! If your Nation is technology and the superior intellect to actually create such weapons, we'd payed you hansomly!

What we are looking for:

Infrantry Class Rifle meeting the Heavy Machine Gun classifications, while standing in the range of light rifles.

7.62x51mm NATO (.308) NATO Rounds, or equilivent.

Basically anything I can buy from you, Private Production Rights, and post on the Motherland Boards!

EDIT

Sorry about the mistaken rounds..but yea, I still want ideas and all! Thanks for the correction Mercenaries.

OOC: Since NATO doesn't field a 7.22mm round, I'm assuming you're using the 7.62x51mm NATO (.308). The following all fit into the assault rifle/battle-rifle category.

Armalite AR-10A3 Rifle 7.62x51mm
The first incarnation of the M16, chambered in the Army-standard (Vietnam-era) .308 caliber round. The AR-10 is a gas-operated magazine-fed weapon with excellent reliability when maintained properly. Standard magazine capacity is twenty rounds. Semi- of Full-Automatic operation with select-fire capability. 20-inch barrel length for optimum accuracy and manuverability combination. Aircraft-grade aluminum reciever with synthetic stock and forearm. Flat-top configuration for mounting combat optics. Barrel can be free-floated for increased accuracy.

Heckler and Koch G3A3 Rifle 7.62x51mm
The famed G3 is one of the most popular .308 rifles ever produced, producing extreme accuracy under even the worst conditions. Since it's made by H&K, reliability and ease of use are a given. This gas-operated rifle has a standard twenty-round magazine capacity. Semi- of Full-Automatic operation with select-fire capability. 20-inch barrel. Steel reciever with glass-filled polymer stock and forearm. The H&K claw-style optic mount allows for the addition of combat optics to enhance an opeator's effectiveness.

IMI Galil Rifle 7.62x51mm
Israel's take on the AK-47, but chambered in NATO standard .308 caliber. A gas-operated and nearly bombproof weapon, the Galil is fairly accurate, gas-operated, and features a folding stock for ease of carrying or use in confined spaces. 18-inch barrel. Steel reciever and stock with wooden forearm.

Springfield SOCOM II Carbine 7.62x51mm
Springfield's M14 carbine, the SOCOM, features a 16-inch barrel and gas-operation. Fed from a twenty-round magazine, the weapon has the knockdown power of the .308 round for close-range killing, but can make a critical distance shot if needed. The II features a four-sided M1913 Piticanny cluster-rail system for mounting combat optics or other tactical accessories. Features a 16-inch barrel for optimum close-range manuverability. Synthetic stock with steel reciever.

Springfield SOCOM 16 Carbine 7.62x51mm
The SOCOM 16 is basically the SOCOM II without the cluster-rail system on the forearm. In its place is a single scout-style optic mount ahead of the ejection port. Synthetic stock with steel reciever.

Springfield M14 7.62x51mm
The grandson of the venerable M1 Garand, accurate and deady in either a battle-rifle or sniper configuration. With its twenty-inch barrel and solid wooden or synthetic stock, the M14 operates in semi or full automatic modes, but is best utilized in semi-automatic operation. Twenty-round capacity, with twenty-inch barrel.

DPMS Long-Range Carbine 7.62x51mm
The carbine variant of the Long-Range line from DPMS is basically a shortened AR-10 weapon. The LR carbine has a sixteen-inch barrel, gas-operation, six-position telescoping buttstock, and twenty-round capacity. Like the AR-10A3, it features flat-top configuration for the mounting of advanced optics. A good choice for close-range combat. Semi-automatic operation only. Aircraft-grade aluminum reciever with synthetic telescoping stock and forearm. Barrel can be free-floated for increased accuracy.

EDITED wanted specs. Thanks Mercenary Soldiers for the correction.

Still accepting ANY rifle prototype from any nation. I need a basic rifle ASAP!

Mondoth Arms Ltd. Has just the gun for you!

G-11 A2
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Weight; 4.9 kg (Loaded)
Round; 7mm caseless
Length; 81 cm
Mode of Fire; semi automatic, three round burst
Range; 450 meters
Magazine; 45 rounds
Price; $750 (includes 4 loaded magazines), $4 per additional magazine
Features; Attachment rails for; under barrel grenade launcher, bayonet, laser targeting system, IFF transponder, P-rails; for up to three additional magazines for faster reloading. A 1.5x zoom collimating (red dot) sight (can be exchanged for night sight or 5x precision scope)
Optional Equipment:
-High grade, shock absorbing Stock (decreases perceived recoil considerable while providing a more comfortable seat for the weapon against the shoulder) $25 per unit
-Light intensification scope (non collimating, for night and low light missions) $300 per unit
-5x precision scope (non collimating, for long range shots) $400 per unit
-4x ACOG (reflexive) sight $800 per unit
-Under barrel adaptable weapon can fire grenades, non fatal loads (such as bean bags, batons and other large diameter non fatal rounds), light armor piercing rockets. $45 per unit
The G-11A2 uses the larger 7mm round for increased range and damage and to ease logistics with LMG-11 and SG-12 SR
This change to the larger round was prompted by concerns voiced by troops after combat that the 4.7 mm round was not causing enough fatalities per shot, the G-11A2 aims to solve the problem with a larger round and longer barrel


This weapon meets all of your requirements and more so! Using caseless 7mm rounds, the G-11A2 features a lightweight alternative to full caliber assault rifles that limit the amount of ammunition the individual soldier can carry without the reduction in range and stopping power of smaller rounds. The innovative Recoil delay and reduction mechanisms give this weapon, like all members of the G-11 family, an enviable level of accuracy among Assault rifles while being very easy to use. With a full range of standard accessory rails (Picattinny or P-rails standard) this weapon easily fits whatever additional ordnance you need, from a simple combat flashlight, to a bayonet or 40mm grenade launcher, and even an adaptable under-barrel weapons system that fits all manner of unconventional under-barrel ammo. And you can't beat the price! While many will argue in favor of low cost alternatives like the M-16 and Kalashnikov series, those wepaons are old news in the warzone and any soldier cought wielding one on a modern battlefield is little more than a walking fossil. yet innovative modern weapons often cost upwards of a thousand USD per unit while still having less performance than the G-11A2's 2000rounds per minute 3-round burst, so fast that the last round is fired before the first has even left the barrel, and coupled with the recoil delay system, the last round in a burst is in the air before the recoil of the first has the chance to cause any loss in precision.

Your offer is most promising Mondoth, we are considering it.

CZ142 Enhanced Carbine/Rifle System

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With the increasing need for a replacement Assault Rifle after the debacle of the Khrrckian Massacre, Czerka Arms Manufacturing Corporation was contracted to design and construct a new family of ARs for the Samtonian military. The Cz142 was the result. With multiple options to assure standard re-supply no matter the situation, the Cz142 is adaptable to nearly any role required in an AR format weapon.

Manufacturer: Czerka Arms Corporation
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Height (w/o sights) 7.1"
Width 2.25"
Overall length (stock collapsed/extended): 10.5" barrel: 686 / 785 mm; 14.5" barrel: 787 / 886 mm; 16.5” barrel: 838 / 937mm; 20” barrel: 927 / 1026 mm
Barrel lengths: 10.5" / 267mm; 14.5" / 368mm; 16.5" / 419mm and 20" / 508mm
Weight: 3.31 kg w. 10.5" barrel, 3.5kg w 14.5" barrel, 3.6kg w. 16.5” barrel, 3.8kg w. 20” barrel
Firing Modes: Single Shot / Semi Automatic(May be modified to multi-round burst in exports)/ Full automatic
Rate of fire: 700-900 rounds per minute
Caliber: 6.5x43mm
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds
Effective Range(Maximum): 915m

Variants are: Compact Personal Defense Weapon(PD), Close Quarters Combat (CQC), Standard (S), and Sniper Variant (SV). Barrel Lengths and other information are listed in order.

The Cz142 was designed with a new buffer assembly, improved bolt, and a cold hammer forged barrel. It uses a short-stroke gas piston that operates the 7-lug rotating bolt. The receiver is made from high grade aluminium alloy. Combination-type safety / fire selector allows for single shots and full automatic mode. The Cz142 retains all M16-style controls, including last round bolt hold-open device, rear-based charging handle and magazine release button on the right side of the magazine well. It is fitted with a free-floating 4-quadrant Picatinny rail system as standard and may accept any type of sighting devices. It also can accept any modified 40mm grenade launcher, which is clamped directly to bottom rail. Buttstock is of typical M4 design, multi-position telescoped.

Czerka Arms fully believes that the Cz142 family of weapons is the solution to your problem. Embracing a lighter round than you called for, the Cz142 nonetheless exhibits greater weffective range, greater armor penetration, and equal stopping power to larger, more bulky rounds while providing a smaller size that can decrease ammunition load by up to as much as 25%.

The ease of production of multiple variants ensures that a gold standard is present throughout your armed forces, with the right Cz142 present for the right situation at all times! Ease of attachment points means that with relatively little effort, weapon configurations, optional attachments (including grenade launchers), and even barrels themselves can be easily switched or added to the weapon.

The Cz142. Perfect for the battlefield, the supply depot, or the interior of a tank. Superior penetration. Decreased weight. Increased range. Cz142. What are you waiting for?

We ubmit to you the all new AR-67 Line of assault weapons!

These weapons come standard in 6.5mm, 6.62mm/6.66mm, 6.8mm(.270), 6.993mm(aka 7mm Minuteman), 7mm (.276 Pedersen) or 7.62mm (Soviet). Modified weapons chambered in .30-06 and 7.62mm NATO will be made available for small custom orders only and will not share all design aspects.
Here they are.
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AR-67 Assault Rifle
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Name: AR-67
Designed by: Phoenix Dynamix for Geneticon-Joint
Caliber: 6.5mm, 6.62mm/6.66mm, 6.8mm, 6.993mm, 7mm or 7.62mm
Action: PD Select Fire (auto/burst/semi-auto) (gas operated rotating bolt)
Total Weight: 9lbs
Maximum Range: 800 meters
Rate Of Fire: 666 rounds per minute
Capacity 36 round mag
The AR-67 is an all new weapon designed to fire the "intermediate" class of ammuntion which has become popular as of late. More powerfull than 5.56mm and lighter than 7.62mm NATO, the rounds that the AR-67 can be chambered in range from 6.5mm Tyradorian to 7.62mm Soviet. The rifle is a classic bullpup design which allows for accuracy a M203X 40mm belt fed grenade
launcher or standard M203 can be added easily and it seamlessly fits into the housing of thegun.A number of sights and scopes as well as the standard 7.4 inch extra-long M-9 bayonet is availble. This version comes with a permanently attached iron sight topped with a rail system for mounting ACOG or aimpont sights. tac lights, lasers and other scopes. Side rails are also included for night vision accessories such as infa red lasers.
Price
$1500

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AR-67A1 Carbine
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Name: AR-67A1
Designed by: Phoenix Dynamix for Geneticon-Joint
Caliber: 6.5mm, 6.62mm/6.66mm, 6.8mm, 6.993mm, 7mm or 7.62mm
Action: PD Select Fire (auto/semi-auto) (gas operated rotating bolt)
Total Weight: 7.5lbs
Maximum Range: 690 meters
Rate Of Fire: 666 rounds per minute
Capacity 36 round mag or 42 round side mounted drum mag
The AR-67A1 is simply a shortend version of the Assault rifle but with more attachment points for accessories. This version comes with a foward grip, full rail system with detachable iron sights and mouting lugs for a bayonet, tac light and lasers as well as almost any type of optical device out there.
Price
$1450
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SR-67 Sniper Rifle
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Name: SR-67
Designed by: Phoenix Dynamix for Geneticon-Joint
Caliber: 6.5mm, 6.62mm/6.66mm, 6.8mm, 6.993mm, 7mm or 7.62mm
Action: PD Smooth Action Semi-Auto
Total Weight: 9.4lbs
Maximum Range: 999 meters
Capacity 12 round magazine or in an emergency 36 round mag(its uncomfortable to use bipod with the 36 rd mag)
SR-67 Sniper Rifle is an fullyaccurized AR-67 with a PD Smooth Action© self-loading, semi-automatic firing mechanism, bipod and a longer, heavier barrel with a muzzle break. The basic iron sight is intergral but there is a rail system with backup old-style clasp and threads for mounting of every type of sniper scope out there.
Price
$1625



Also please look at this (http://phoenixdynamix.proboards38.com/index.cgi?board=gunz&action=display&thread=1101880047) and this (http://phoenixdynamix.proboards38.com/index.cgi?board=gunz&action=display&thread=1103701142) for more options

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Weight:
No Mag/Ammunition - 5 Pounds/LBS
Mag + Ammunition - 7 Pounds/LBS
Length: 610mm, or 24 inches
RPM:
Slowest Clock - 600 RPM
Normal Clock - 710 RPM
Fastest Clock - 2200 RPM used on 3 round burst

Clocks can be changed to users preference or the RPM required by the job by field stripping the weapon to access the receiver. So a soldier whom is going to use this weapon as a light support weapon will increased RPM; and decreased barrel length for support fire, while spraying with a 120 round Beta C dual drum.

Magazine: 40 Magazine, or 120 Beta-C Mag
Barrel lenght: 407mm, or 16 Inches
Action: Full Auto, 3 Round Burst, Semi-Auto, Safety
Caliber: 6.8 x 43mm SP Caseless, or 5.56 x 25mm SP caseless
Maximum Range:
1000 meters W/ Standard 6.8 SP
Maximum Wear and Tear: Every 89,000 rounds
Effective Range: 620 Meters
Muzzle Velocity: 2650 FPS

--- Iron Sights ---

Front Sight: Front Tactical Blue Transparent Sight
Rear Sight: Novak Lo Mount Carry

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// History //

The G7 design plagued Sparta for nearly a decade. Merely a peice of eye candy for soldiers as it was plagued with complications it was a scarce exporty and the law enforcement community stuck with thier American made Colt M4's. It's high ability of penetration for people whom weild body armor it still had the kick of a mule. With the introduction of this rifle Sparta hopes to attend to become a decent competitor for other gun manufacturers who are seasoned veterans.

The G7 was proned to corrosion of the Kevlar layer, had the chance of barrel brakes/snaps if the gun's barrel was exposed to too much external pressure. The G-12 simply eliminated Alumina-Oxide as it's choice for the barrel as they instead replaced it wich much more cheaply manufactured Steel and thin Chromium inner lining.

This shorter, lighter, simpler design came in to replace it as very the delayed recoil system plagued the G7. So in the G-12 to no longer risk malfunctions of the barrel; simple springs and rollers as well as tightly wound slings would have to suffice at the increase of recoil.

//Design //

When examining the G12, the first thing to notice is the Bullpup configuration. In a bullpup, the action is located behind the grip of the weapon, allowing for a longer barrel which then means increased accuracy. Also, it's cut down over all length allows for a much more maneuverable weapon for close quarters fighting, as well as granting it superb accuracy at greater range. The 16" barrel itself is free floating, allowing for even greater accuracy. The barrel itself is threaded, allowing for numerous different attachments, such as sound suppresors, flash suppresors, and muzzle brakes. Each out of the box G-12 comes issued with a ACOG 4x Reflex Holo Sight and Muzzle Break, as prefered by the Spartan Army.

The G-12's reciever is machined from solid Titanium-Fullerenes; which is the only Fullerenes component placed into the guns due to the metals superb ability to dicipate shock and resist corrosion completely as well as having the ability to take more than a dozen freight trains dropped upon it with the area of 1cm by 1cm. While this method of manufacturing is more difficult, it makes a superior rifle and rugged one at that. Tests of these recievers by Crusader Weapons found that they were capable of withstanding tremendous pressure.

The weapon is to be relatively light, at the cost of moderate recoil and overall strength. As a result, the weapon's furniture (handguard, pistol grip, ect.) are constructed of a strong, lightweight polymer & plastics, allowing for a tough weapon that is still lightweight. The actual vented handguard maintains an advanced integrated rail system. This consists of a single top rail, which runs along the whole length of the the weapon and or anything else the operator desires. This allows for numerous accesories to be added: say accessories such as flashlights and lasers are often mounted on the side rails. To reduce felt recoil, the G-12 has a soft rubber butt pad with in-built springs, and a set of rollers as well as slings and a free muzzle break.

In regards to sighting systems, the G-12's own iron sights are great. Utilizing the Novac low tranparent plastic sights, good for both day and night combat, used by the G-12, these sights feature rear peep sights and front post sights, allowing for quick and easy range and wingadge adjustment . These sights feature an MOA of 1.20 .

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Stripping down the weapon is incredibly simple: One needs only to remove the plate around the charging handle, withdraw the recoil spring, and pull out the bolt to field strip the G-12.

The magazine cache is similar to most other shoulder arms, requiring the magazine to simply and easily be slapped into position in order to lock in. The magazine used is a simple verticle flat magazine.

The selector switch is located on the left side of the weapon above the pistol grip. This allows for extreme ease of access, allowing the shooter to switch rate of fire with the flick of the thumb, without taking his hand off of the pistol grip. The switch has four settings: 'SAFE', 'SEMI', 'BURST, and 'AUTO'. The weapon's burst function is a three-round burst, allowing for greater accuracy and quick volleys of ammunition.


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Great Grip Features:
Developed by our competition shooter to improve shooter accuracy, these are a must have for Military and Law Enforcement personnel. The anti-slip surface provides a friction
grip that makes take-away or loss of control in violent situations less likely.

• Unique Semi-Permanent Anti-Slip Material
• Works in All Weather Conditions: Water, Mud, Snow, Slime
• Excellent for Sweaty, Oily & Gloved Hands
• Install or Remove in Seconds
• Leaves No Sticky Residue on Weapon
• Applies easily over factory grips and plates
• Made in the Sparta
• Pack of 3 Spares

Colors: (03) Black; (06) Sand/Tan

The grips are made from a patented and undiclosed material; this grip makes up the foregrip and stock as well as regular grip areas.

Production Rights: 2.1 Billion

Price: $1,600 USD

Accessories: Anything mountable upon a RAIL/Pincatty mount. Which includes scopes and bayonettes. Also a free ACOG Reflex HOLO sight comes free for mounting upon the Picatinny RAIL Mount.

Other Comments: An improvement on the old G7 design to replace it with more range, stopping power, accuracy, and velocity. It is meant as a Short and medium range assault rifle to minimize the costs of outfitting armies with multiple and exotic as well as high cost rifles and non-standard ammunition. This is to standardize ammunition use; and Rifle usage.

Pale Rider Arms would happily supply you with the latest in infantry weaponry, the M25 High Velocity Assault Rifle. With PRA's unique 6mm x 50mm HVC cartridge, the M25 can defeat even the heaviest personal body armor with ease. The rifle also features an integral smartgun system, and comes free with the required goggles, making your soldiers more deadly than ever.

M25 HVAR

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Length: 560mm
Barrel Length: 491mm
UGL Barrel Length: 214mm
Cartridge: 6mm x 50mm high velocity caseless, 30mm grenade
Muzzle Velocity: 5000 fps
Ammuntion: 60 6mm, 6 30mm grenades
Modes of Fire: Safe, Semi Auto, 3 round burst, full auto, grenade
Mass (Empty): 4.1 kg
Mass (Fully Loaded): 6.42 kg
Features: Recessed top mounting rail, integral smartgun system
Cost: 2700 USD (includes set of smartgun goggles)

The successor to the popular M22 series HVAR, the M25 was designed as a lighter version of the M22, while maintaining its accuracy and firepower. In order to meet these goals, a bull-pup configuration was adopted, shrinking the over all size of the weapon. The 40mm grenade launcher was replaced with the smaller 30mm variant, not only reducing weight but increasing logistical efficiency, as it shares its ammunition with the GL series of launchers. Other features were improved, notably the addition of a full integral smartgun system, as well as a large magazine.

Crookfur Consultancies are Proud to offer you a opportunity to purchase the latest version of one of the world's most mythical firearms (because no one has actually heard of it in about 6months)
Crookfur Consultancies Proudly Presents:
The S1A5 Evolved Assault rifle
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Round: 6.25x43mm
Weight: 4.7kg (empty magazine)
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds
Length: 790mm
Barrel length: 570mm
Rate of fire: 650 rounds per minute
Max effective range: 600m (with sight).
Add-ons: Equipped as standard with 4x SUSAT optical sight and back up iron sights, these can be replaced with just about any other sighting system using the Rail Interface System (RIS).
Forward hand guard rails can accept juts about any grenade launcher including the M203.

The S1A5 is the very latest version of the Crookfur S1 assault rifle, one of the first major weapons system to use an intermediate cartridge. Using the almost ballistically optimum 6.25x43mm round, which offers performance vastly superior to 5.56mm NATO and at certain ranges in excess of that offered by 7.62x51mm NATO yet balanced by recoil barely more than that generated by 5.56mm NATO, the S1A5 offers exceptional accuracy whilst being a very comfortable rifle to use.
The new A5 model offers a number of improvements: the introduction of a fully modular RIS with 4 rail positions, the first available RIS with integrated power supply (basically the rifle has a big battery in the pistol grip that is connected to a number of "outlet" points on the RIS, these outlets are completely isolated when not in use so no chance of random shocks off the rifle, at the moment the number of compatible add-ons is limited to a single digital sighting system i am working on, but if you buy production rights I'm sure we can come up with a few ideas) and offers full compatibility with the new composite cased 6.25mm ULTIMATE ammo (it can still use conventional brass cased ammo), 6.25mm ULTIMATE offers even better performance than the standard 6.25mm ammo and is 35% lighter per round.

Costs:
Individual rifle:$850
Rifle with SUSAT sight: $1100
Unlimited production rights(rifle only):$85million
Unlimited production rights (rifle and ammo): $150million
Royalty fee based production rights (up to 3000units per year): Upfront $8million plus $60 per rifle produced (ammo rights included).
Royalty fee based production rights (over 3000units per year): Upfront $10million plus $40 per rifle produced (ammo rights included).


Alternatively if you really want to keep 7.62x51mm NATO as your primary i persoanlly would recommend one of the fancied up FN-FALs like the DS Arms SA-58 series, as they are RL weapons you are free to manufacture them yourself but if you woudl rahter buy them from someone else Crookfur consutlancies coudl coem up with a very special version for you.

The S1A5 also has a light machine gun version the S2A5 if you are interested.




Ammo data:
Standard Ammo:
Bullet weight:6.48g (100grains)
Muzzle velocity:817m/s (2680fps)
Muzzle energy:2161J
Ultimate (composite cased)
Bullet weight:6.6g (102grains)
Muzzle velocity:840m/s (2760fps)
Muzzle energy:2329J

The Motherland Department of Defense has therefore concluded it time to make it known of our choices for our Infrantry units. While you have been busy reporting your weapons, we have been busy canceling production of many weapon classes and many specs involved therein.

While we have always been customers of the Phoenix Militia and its Arms Industries, we have concluded it time to stray from the Phoenix designs and give a chance for the lesser known armed industries of the international community. We ASSURE The Phoenix Militia that we still retain superior Sniping weapons, Special Forces weapons, and AT-5 Vazooka bazooka design that, in all, NO ONE could surpass.

Let it be known that we still trust The Phoenix Militia, and will come to The Phoenix Militia for our future needs as we always have. Just, for this time, we shall give the hand to the others.

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The Outcome

After a lengty investigation to the designs and specifications of your rifles, we have chosen FOUR we investiagted further.

Sparta Infensus' G-12 Medium Assault Rifle
Samtonia's CZ142 Enhanced Carbine/Rifle System
Otagia's M25 HVAR
Strathdonia The S1A5 Evolved Assault rifle

One already being chosen for our Infantry would be the Sparta Infensus' G-12 Medium Assault Rifle. However, with the addition of four competing, we request that all companies CHOSEN would please post WHY we should pick you over the other. IF YOU CANNOT post, we will choose the Sparta Infensus' G-12 Medium Assault Rifle over default.

In Addition

We request more information on the smartgun system for the Otagia M25 HVAR, as we are duely interested in it as well.

As to why to choose the S1A5?
Well a quick list:
Most accurate rifle here thanks to its long barrel, the Cz142 comes close in its 20" form but with that abrrel length the rifle does become somewhat large and ungainly compared to toher on offer.
Most balanced round so far offered, 6.25x43mm Ultimate lacks the long range power of the 6x50mm HVC and the 6x43mm Samtonian (sounds like 6.5mm grendel to me), but offers almost identical performance out to 600m and a much muhc lower recoil impulse, the individual rounds may not be as light as the casless offerings but a cased round does offer advantages in terms of safety and reliability esspecially in the light of the fact that i don't know exactly how the 2 caseless rifles on offer feed or fire thier rounds.

Proven usefulness, the 6.25mm Crookfur round was once hailed as the best infantry compormise round on NS and has, along with the S1 series of rifles, been in use with Crookfur forces in various forms for over 20 years.

Ease of use: the S1A5 is as easy to use, clean and maintain as any assault rfiel on the market and has reputation for effectiveness in even the worst conditions, some new operators may find the layout a bit different to your average conventional rifle but msot learn to live with it very quickly.

And finally the "Killer App" the electrical power distribution rail interface system (PDRIS), a high capacity battery can be fitted inside the pistol grip and provide power to compatable devices attached to the RIS such as sights and torchs, the PDRIS can provide both the priamry power soruce for devices and as a backup supply, adaptors can be produced for most RIS compable devices. Additionall the PDRIS can be adapted to provide a data connection to allow programable muntion launchers on the udnerside of the weapon to interface with digital sights and range finders on top without any messy wiring.

Strathdonia's comments are well noted, and accepted therein.

We await the other manufacturers comments to enable a FAIR decision on the matter.

Why choose the M25 High Velocity Assault Rifle? The M25 features excellent armor penetration, able to defeat even the heaviest battle suits. Pale Rider Arms also offers a variety of 6x50mm variants, including low velocity rounds to prevent over-penetration of soft targets and reduce recoil, incendiary rounds, and even armor piercing rounds for those pesky APCs and power armor suits.

The M25 is the least bulky of the rifles you are considering, and makes the most of its smaller 6mm cartridge by carrying an impressive 60 rounds in its magazine. The M25 is also the only entrant to feature an integral grenade launcher, offering every soldier the ability to compete with dedicated grenadier units.

Finally, the M25 features a built in PRA SmartGun system, giving each and every recruit the accuracy of a trained marksman. Using Bluetooth technology, a cigarrete-pack sized computer in the rifle interprets targetting information fed to it by sensors located near the front of these guns. The computer then transmits this information to the user's goggles, projecting the estimated flight path of the round onto his field of vision. This provides unparalled accuracy, allowing the user to fire from the hip as accurately as an unsupported man could using his ironsights.

Otagia's comments on its rifle is duely and respectfully noted, and is therefore in a considerable position in our final judgement.


We still await the challenging comments from:

Sparta Infensus concerning its G-12 Medium Assault Rifle
Samtonia concerning its CZ142 Enhanced Carbine/Rifle System

Thank you for your final entries Otagia and Strathdonia.

KERBUMP

Gotta hav'tem comments soon!

BUMP

The G-12 provides the link between 5.56 and 7.62 NATO. With the punch of 7.62 NATO; the accuracy and kick-back of 5.56 with a very customizable and very high possible RPM rate you have a WMD in you hands.

This gun; at it's safe sustained clock for sustained fire is 1800 RPM. Meaning; if you buy the belt fed variant; you could provide XM-134 mini-gun like speeds from an assault rifle simply raping the competition. Also with such a high FPS; you could provide excellent cover fire.

With the use of APHEI or Armor Peircing High Explosive Incindiary; you could easily take advantage of this guns high FPS for Anti-Material perposes for light to medium armed vehicles. The Armor Peircing part of of the bullet; or the steel core peirces through armor wile the area around the bullet usually filled with RDX ignited from a small timer set to explode .21 seconds after penetration. Which means.... Say you have a enemy hiding behind a brick Iron wall; while next to him it's brick. You simply shoot through the brick area and after the bullet is primed and after penetratio it explodes sending shrapnel into the enemy neutrilizing him. Same goes for engines to say half tracks; disabling them rending the vehicle useless...

The 6x43 mm caseless rounds could also take use of LVCD or Low Velocity; Collateral Damage bullets. In which the bullets nose in shaped inwards at a sharp angle. Causing high wind-resistance making the velocity after it leaves the barrel drop very quickly. Once the bullet hits the target; the higher elevated edges implode in the way a Hollow-Point would causing collateral damage though non-fatality.

Thanks to the G-12's barrel threading and the free, out of the box Muzzle-Break as well as spring and roller as well as soft rubber pad and universal sling mounts recoil is reduced to make the gun feel as if you were firing a low velocity, low grain, .22 bullet. Even less if using the Muzzle Break and with the muzzle break the guns ability to 'Rise' when fired is stopped almost completely.

We do not provide target/sight helping systems as we/Sparta have the utmost confidence in our soldiers abilites as Marksmen. So when they run out of ammunition for thier rifle they can pick up any other downed enemy's rifle and continue fighting with fatal accuracy. Though the gun provides nearly 1.00 MOA; meaning 1 inch per 1000 meters of falling meaning this should be a favorite amoung all snipers currently using a 'M21' or 'M40' sniper rifle.

This rifle is probbably the lightest and least bulky due to it's use of light and durable plastics. At an astounding 5 pounds unloaded it provides a super-lightweight rifle. Also it's reduced length from the G7 means it's easier to weild and move quickly for a constantly advancing army... Or retreating...

Sparta Infensus' comments on its extremely interesting rifle is duely noted. This therefore also places you on a high place along with Otagia's rifle.

We still await commentry challenge from:

Samtonia concerning its CZ142 Enhanced Carbine/Rifle System

Final diliberation will begin once Samtonia completes its commentry challenge to its competitors within a respectable amount of time.

The G-12 provides the link between 5.56 and 7.62 NATO. With the punch of 7.62 NATO; the accuracy and kick-back of 5.56 with a very customizable and very high possible RPM rate you have a WMD in you hands.

This gun; at it's safe sustained clock for sustained fire is 1800 RPM. Meaning; if you buy the belt fed variant; you could provide XM-134 mini-gun like speeds from an assault rifle simply raping the competition. Also with such a high FPS; you could provide excellent cover fire.

With the use of APHEI or Armor Peircing High Explosive Incindiary; you could easily take advantage of this guns high FPS for Anti-Material perposes for light to medium armed vehicles. The Armor Peircing part of of the bullet; or the steel core peirces through armor wile the area around the bullet usually filled with RDX ignited from a small timer set to explode .21 seconds after penetration. Which means.... Say you have a enemy hiding behind a brick Iron wall; while next to him it's brick. You simply shoot through the brick area and after the bullet is primed and after penetratio it explodes sending shrapnel into the enemy neutrilizing him. Same goes for engines to say half tracks; disabling them rending the vehicle useless...

The 6x43 mm caseless rounds could also take use of LVCD or Low Velocity; Collateral Damage bullets. In which the bullets nose in shaped inwards at a sharp angle. Causing high wind-resistance making the velocity after it leaves the barrel drop very quickly. Once the bullet hits the target; the higher elevated edges implode in the way a Hollow-Point would causing collateral damage though non-fatality.

Thanks to the G-12's barrel threading and the free, out of the box Muzzle-Break as well as spring and roller as well as soft rubber pad and universal sling mounts recoil is reduced to make the gun feel as if you were firing a low velocity, low grain, .22 bullet. Even less if using the Muzzle Break and with the muzzle break the guns ability to 'Rise' when fired is stopped almost completely.

We do not provide target/sight helping systems as we/Sparta have the utmost confidence in our soldiers abilites as Marksmen. So when they run out of ammunition for thier rifle they can pick up any other downed enemy's rifle and continue fighting with fatal accuracy. Though the gun provides nearly 1.00 MOA; meaning 1 inch per 1000 meters of falling meaning this should be a favorite amoung all snipers currently using a 'M21' or 'M40' sniper rifle.

This rifle is probbably the lightest and least bulky due to it's use of light and durable plastics. At an astounding 5 pounds unloaded it provides a super-lightweight rifle. Also it's reduced length from the G7 means it's easier to weild and move quickly for a constantly advancing army... Or retreating...

I'm afraid i still have to call BS on a lot of your claims, no matter how good your muzzle break, your perfromance as stated will give you a felt recoil about twice that a of a M16A2, admittedly felt recoil will be half that of an M14 but it isn't anywhere near what you claim. Your round may have soemthign appraoching the punch of 7.62mm NAto but you are not going to get any worthwhile amount of explosives in your bullet (which would be in the 15-120grain range) let alone a decent fuzeing system.
You still don't mention how on earth you are going to make a belt fed caseless weapon, or how you intend someone to use a beta C mag in a bullpup.
The M-134 mini gun fires at 4000-6000rpm, so you are not providing anything like the fire power.

And no your weapon is not going to give 1MOA accuracy.

I'm afraid i still have to call BS on a lot of your claims, no matter how good your muzzle break, your perfromance as stated will give you a felt recoil about twice that a of a M16A2, admittedly felt recoil will be half that of an M14 but it isn't anywhere near what you claim. Your round may have soemthign appraoching the punch of 7.62mm NAto but you are not going to get any worthwhile amount of explosives in your bullet (which would be in the 15-120grain range) let alone a decent fuzeing system.
You still don't mention how on earth you are going to make a belt fed caseless weapon, or how you intend someone to use a beta C mag in a bullpup.
The M-134 mini gun fires at 4000-6000rpm, so you are not providing anything like the fire power.

And no your weapon is not going to give 1MOA accuracy.OOC: I never sait it was; it's like 1.25, or 1.15 I forgot. Also I know there is a lot of felt recoil though springs, rollers, slings<-- Eliminate 20% of felt recoil, padding, and a muzzle break a damn good job. As for a 22 bullet, yeah I was exaggerating; more like a .45 ACP but definitely now 7.62 nato. A Beta-C would would the same and just as well as it would in a normal configuration http://www.arizonagunrunners.com/Products/betacocmag/Spec-Diagram2.jpg <--- Whats the problem with Beta-C?

Belt fed; what more needs to be said it's not like I'm going to go through a step by step process on how to convert one into it because there aren't any currently so far I wouldn't know. What I do know is it's more feasable then an SD. I never said I would get a huge sum of RDX into the bullet; all I said was is if your spraying explosive bullets; huge damage is going to be done.

OOC: I never sait it was; it's like 1.25, or 1.15 I forgot.
Your exact wording was "Though the gun provides nearly 1.00 MOA; meaning 1 inch per 1000 meters of falling meaning this should be a favorite amoung all snipers currently using a 'M21' or 'M40' sniper rifle." so your rifle provides just the same accuracy as heavy long barrel dedicated sniper weapons?

Also I know there is a lot of felt recoil though springs, rollers, slings<-- Eliminate 20% of felt recoil, padding, and a muzzle break a damn good job. As for a 22 bullet, yeah I was exaggerating; more like a .45 ACP but definitely now 7.62 nato.
Your round provides 90% of the recoil energy of 7.62mm, i was very generous and reduced that by 50% which still gives you more than twice the recoil energy of 5.56mm NATO

A Beta-C would would the same and just as well as it would in a normal configuration http://www.arizonagunrunners.com/Products/betacocmag/Spec-Diagram2.jpg <--- Whats the problem with Beta-C?
Oh you can stick a Beta-C mag in and it will work, its just that the user won't be able to hold the gun comfortably what with the the 2-3inchs of magazine between him and the stock of the gun on either side


Belt fed; what more needs to be said it's not like I'm going to go through a step by step process on how to convert one into it because there aren't any currently so far I wouldn't know. What I do know is it's more feasable then an SD.
Oh a caselss belt fed system does exist or was at least under construction last may, even a general idea of how it might work would usually make your gun 100% better, of course belt feeding and bullpup don't really mix either as the rounds tend to get tangled in your arms, wear holes in your cloths and generally make a mess of things
I never said I would get a huge sum of RDX into the bullet; all I said was is if your spraying explosive bullets; huge damage is going to be done.
Nope huge damage is not going to be done, to include any worth while amoutn of explosive your bullet would lose a lot of thier strength and would be easily stopped by even hand gun proof body armour, you might cause a few scorces and put a few splinters into peoples eye but you won;t be blowing big holes in people.

I still say your designs are nice but they do still need work, your round is more or less there you just need to work on the mechanism (doesn't need to be much just a basic outline) and realising what is and isn't possible.
I would suggest reading this website http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/index.htm you will find it helpful.

Deliberations have begun concerning the rifle's and their uses, and which one would be most beneficial to the Motherland Armed Forces.

Samtonia is again asked to post his commentry concerning his rifle so he may have a fair chance of approval

So far, here are the deliberation results

22 Top Generals and Commanders who have their say
Sparta Infensus' G-12 Medium Assault Rifle = 7
Samtonia's CZ142 Enhanced Carbine/Rifle System = 1
Otagia's M25 HVAR = 7
Strathdonia The S1A5 Evolved Assault rifle = 7

As you can see, there is a deadlock between the top three. Discussions are underway to overcome this deadlock, however it is unlikely until the commentry from Samtonia comes in that anything will result.

Your exact wording was "Though the gun provides nearly 1.00 MOA; meaning 1 inch per 1000 meters of falling meaning this should be a favorite amoung all snipers currently using a 'M21' or 'M40' sniper rifle." so your rifle provides just the same accuracy as heavy long barrel dedicated sniper weapons?

"Spelling mistake, read the ACTUAL gun description on the front page.."

Your round provides 90% of the recoil energy of 7.62mm, i was very generous and reduced that by 50% which still gives you more than twice the recoil energy of 5.56mm NATO

"Read the description; it says it still retains a large amount of recoil."

Oh you can stick a Beta-C mag in and it will work, its just that the user won't be able to hold the gun comfortably what with the the 2-3inchs of magazine between him and the stock of the gun on either side

"Very true; though none-the less it can be done; though it isn't suggested as the point of using a Beta-C is to set it down upon a Bi-Pod and use it as Light-Support."

Oh a caselss belt fed system does exist or was at least under construction last may, even a general idea of how it might work would usually make your gun 100% better, of course belt feeding and bullpup don't really mix either as the rounds tend to get tangled in your arms, wear holes in your cloths and generally make a mess of things

"Your not going to put your arm over it or to the side of it; but instead under the gun; I'll make an image in a few minutes of the belt fed variant to tell you about it.."

Nope huge damage is not going to be done, to include any worth while amoutn of explosive your bullet would lose a lot of thier strength and would be easily stopped by even hand gun proof body armour, you might cause a few scorces and put a few splinters into peoples eye but you won;t be blowing big holes in people.

"Hence the bullets have steel cores; not a lot of explosives though as the bullet penetrates armor and into flesh the round explodes to make a cavity and collateral damage."

I still say your designs are nice but they do still need work, your round is more or less there you just need to work on the mechanism (doesn't need to be much just a basic outline) and realising what is and isn't possible.
I would suggest reading this website

"Thanks, I'm still a Major n00b when it comes to Gun-Production.."

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/index.htm you will find it helpful.

Czerka Arms fully believes that the Cz142 is by far the best standard rifle that can be present in your armed forces. The Cz142 family offers what no other weapon in contention does: the ability to use one standard family of weapons for every normal purpose in your military. From front-line soldiers to quartermasters, a version of the Cz142 is right for every soldier in your army, offering unparralelled advantages in resupply and standardization throughout your armed forces.

The 6.5x43mm round offered by the Czerka combines the best aspects of all 6mm rounds that have been produced to this date, allowing a balance between excellent range, accuracy, lessened recoil, and stopping power that is not achieved by any other round offered by competitors. Another advantage is the fact that both caseless designs offer no ability for compensation by left-handed users, a problem not run into with cased designs, as well as the arguments for cased weapons offered by the Strathdonians.

The range of the weapon is hands down the greatest offered, giving you the benefit of a maximum effective range far greater than most nations find in their infantry rifles. Offering near-identical performance in terms of penetration and stopping power at shorter ranges, the long range offered by the Cz142 means that in situations where range is needed you always have it.

The ease of upkeep on the weapon is also far above any other design. Forgoing any complicated electrical systems requiring their own power supplies, the Cz142 is as difficult to resupply as you want it to be. With more picatinny rail are offered than any other weapon, the ability to add on to the basic design is superior to any other rifle presented. With its basic design, cleaning is easy and fouling is never a problem, with the gas piston superior to anything operating the bolts of rifles.

With a round as powerful as every other round presented, a range superior to anything opposing it, and the ease of maintenance and resupply superior to any other rifle presented, the Cz142 family will provide the best weapon for your entire armed forces for the years to come.

A final decision has been made!

With a grueling judgement and counter-judgement made by all 22 Present Generals and Commanders, it has come down to a TIE between the:

Samtonian CZ142 Enhanced Carbine/Rifle System and Otagian M25 HVAR

Therefore, after another hour long deliberation, it was decided to PURCHASE BOTH rifles for the companies required costs.

Samtonia and Otagia have won the competition, and are asked therein to supply FULL specs with COPYRIGHTS (to enable us to copy and paste onto our boards) and numbered amount to purchase Private Production Rights.

Thank you all competitors for your submissions, we enjoyed viewing them greatly! For those who didn't get our thumbs up, please don't feel down! Your always welcome to come back and try again when we ask the International Community for arms once more! IT WILL BE SOON!

LAS-59 Upgraded 7.68x64mm

History

The first 5.8 mm rifle and squad machine gun were introduced in 1987 with the designation as Type 87. The Type 87 was merely a 5.8 mm variant of the 7.62 mm Type 81 rifle with some minor modifications. The Type 87 fires DBP87 bullets, which was claimed to have better performance compared to the Soviet 5.45 mm and NATO 5.56 mm SS109 rounds.

Over a numerous of years, one of Leocardia's rivals came up with a new design in their rifles and began arming their army with the new arms. From recent spy reports and full comparison, it was obvious that the Type 87 5.8 mm was no match against the new arms the rival of Leocardia has. This came forth to capture the military's attention and announced a design for a better upgraded rifle, now called the LAS-59 Upgraded rifle. With numerous tests and observations for 2 and an half years, the Leocardian Military finally chose this weapon to begin arming its military with.

Today, only partial of Leocardia's military still obtain this rifle, due to outdatedness. The new rifle Leocardia's military is the LAS-98, a new generation rifle in which is capable and no match against Leocardia's rival weapons.


Price for this weapon: $700 ea.


UPDATE: Leocardian rival is specifically Pythagoria.

Production rights for the M25 (and all associated systems) will run you 12 million USD. As for details, would you prefer them in a TG or posted here? And what format?

Production rights for the M25 (and all associated systems) will run you 12 million USD. As for details, would you prefer them in a TG or posted here? And what format?

Wow, thats low compared to what we normally pay! Excellent, we chose wisely.

$12 Million Universal Standard Dollars wired to Otagian accounts

As for the details, I'd like them to be post friendly so I don't have to do all the coding. I'd prefer history attached, but do as you would like. A TG is perfectly fine if you want to do it that way.

Thank you Otagia for your buisness, now all I wait for is the Samtonian response.

OOC: What can I say, we have some RP history together, and my judgement is usually rather impaired by that time at night. As for formatting, html or forum code?

OOC: What can I say, we have some RP history together, and my judgement is usually rather impaired by that time at night. As for formatting, html or forum code?

OOC:
Are you Samtonia? If not, then what are you talking about?

If your Otagia I just ment to go ahead and send the specs and Image link view Telegram with Forum Code.

Right now I'm awaiting Samtonia's response so I can go ahead with that.

BUMP

Production rights will run you 10 million USD, plus 40 USD per unit produced (ammunition rights included). The specifications and copyright information will be sent to you immediately. Thank you for doing business!

Czerka Arms Corporation

$10 Million Universal Standard Dollars sent to Czerka Accounts, with open account for automatic withral for every unit and ammo produced.

Thank you, and have a nice day!

Otagia, I'm still waiting for your telegram and/or postage of the specs, and your copyright. :D

OOC: Khurgan is Otagia's puppet, he uses it for the FT crowd.

OOC:

Oh, well then I still haven't gotten a post from either one.....so just wondering when one or the other would Telegram me.

OOC: Wow, I can't belive you guys chose the M25 over mine. I mean that one is a helluva lot heavier, has a lot more recoil when spraying, doesn't even have a RAIL mount for GL's or Laser Sights or anything for that matter. "Smart gun" which is a bullcrap scope system that when I had something similar, though much better. I got dog-piled which is unfair, it has a nearly 20 inch barrel for 6mm or anything above bullets. Which means the barrel isn't optimized for the bullet. So after the bullet passes the 16 inch mark the barrel becomes a vaccum and starts to become a vaccum. Even with Rifling! The size of the gun is very un-ergonomic and just from the picture it looks like a pain in the ass to use and weild.

Oh well... Thought just to say this more clearly, I'm not being a sore-loser I'm just telling him, what happened to me the first time I came out with a gun. He's doing the exact same thing.

OOC:

Sparta, check TeleGrams.

OOC: Wow, I can't belive you guys chose the M25 over mine. I mean that one is a helluva lot heavier, has a lot more recoil when spraying, doesn't even have a RAIL mount for GL's or Laser Sights or anything for that matter. "Smart gun" which is a bullcrap scope system that when I had something similar, though much better. I got dog-piled which is unfair, it has a nearly 20 inch barrel for 6mm or anything above bullets. Which means the barrel isn't optimized for the bullet. So after the bullet passes the 16 inch mark the barrel becomes a vaccum and starts to become a vaccum. Even with Rifling! The size of the gun is very un-ergonomic and just from the picture it looks like a pain in the ass to use and weild.

Oh well... Thought just to say this more clearly, I'm not being a sore-loser I'm just telling him, what happened to me the first time I came out with a gun. He's doing the exact same thing.

Eh? barrel optimization has nothing to do with the noted calibre of the bullet and a lot more to do with propellant charges, forms and the actual design of the bullet, after all 5.56mm NATO works far far better out of a 21" abrrel than it does out of a 16" one....
Oh and belive me he did get criticised over the M25 and manged to imporve it without getting banned from the drawing board...
Anyway juts let it go its NS people buy all sorts of things, all have our pet theories and belifs about what we like and there is not much we can do other people's.