NationStates Jolt Archive


Direct Democracy Demands Defense!

The Horde Of Doom
08-05-2006, 19:13
Today 89% of the population of the Horde has approved spending for a massive defense network to defend the country from possible invasions. With the military now cut back only for defense, a large amount of funding has become avialable for new weapons systems.

Deemed "Homeland Defense," a huge network of defense and early detection centers are being built across the country. Non stop LIDAR and LADAR tracking will be conducting searches 1,000 miles around the country at any given time. Fighters and bombers will be on constant alert, and automated SAM sites are to be constructed in nearly every town and/or city.

Citizens are now being equipped with M8's, and must take a marksmanship class every year. Civil Defense Communes are being formed, where citizens are trained to drive tanks and pilot helicopters.

The shores are to be defended by a classified amount of nuclear submarines, patroling a perimeter of 1,000 miles around the coast. So far, the government is unclear about other types of ships.

The government is also announcing a Satellite Based Weapons Program, to help attack other countries. At least 7 satellites are to be launched this week, capable of letting loose tungsten rods to crash into foreign targets. Along with this new program, Anti-Satellite defenses are planned.
Shazbotdom
08-05-2006, 19:19
***OFFICIAL IMPERIAL PROCLIMATION***
TO: Leadership of The Horde of Doom
FROM: Joint Chiefs of Staff

If your crackpot leaders aim those satelites at our nation, we will destroy them.
Mer des Ennuis
08-05-2006, 19:21
OOC: Yay Rods from God

To: Baro Faro
CC: All applicable personal
From: The Office of the Arch Arsonist
Subject: Homeland defence

We are glad to see that you have chosen to equip your citizenry with assault weapons (and more!) to create a civil defence program. We just recently equipped our citizenry with the M16-A4 due to simplicity of use (we chose to avoid using the Xm8 due to its cost and non-proven performance, but best of luck to you! As always, you have the full use of the airbase that is under construction(or finished, we never really decided), as well as any strategic assets that Mer Des Ennuis can provide. Best of luck!

-Carpathia Ziemowit
Arch Arsonist
Rosdivan
08-05-2006, 21:01
OOC: LIDAR/LADAR doesn't have that kind of range. Only OTH radars have that, and they aren't very accurate.

IC:
Concerned at The Horde of Doom's announcement of a large arms buildup, a squadron of long range OC Sprinter reconnaissance planes was tasked with monitoring it to ensure that it would not be used for an aggressive campaign against the Rosdivan Commonwealth or its allies. The flights wouldn't cross into Doomian airspace, though they'd come fairly close. For safety's sake, the flight plans were for 120,000 feet, though this would limit their cruise speed to a mere Mach 1.8.
The Aeson
08-05-2006, 21:35
"Kind of ironic that they're developing satellite weaponry," chuckled General Blak to himself, before passing the information on to the Empress.

OOC: I'd recommend American Privateers PMT Space Storefront for sattelite weaponry. That's we're I got my mirrors.
The Horde Of Doom
09-05-2006, 01:18
OOC: Can anyone help me a bit? What radar-esque system can I use to detect stealth and conventional craft over my skies. Oh and I assure you all, this is non agressive. My country has no real military per say, just County and National Militias.

IC:
To: Shazbotdom
We are offended that a despicable nation such as yourself would dare to use such a tone with us! Your national products are hearby BANNED.

To: Mer des Ennuis
Any personnel you could spare to help us create a larger and safer Homeland Defense network would be great. Your base is near finished!
Mer des Ennuis
09-05-2006, 01:28
Great to hear! When ready, I will dispatch some bombers, fighters, and transport aircraft to help train your airforce. I hear that cellphone towers have successfully detected stealth aircraft before. You might consider investing in AWACS to create mobile net, which would be harder to take out. Geneticon sells a good military satelite, and, having diplomatic relations with Shazbotdom, I suggest restraint since not everyone is aware of the nature of The Horde's military.
The Horde Of Doom
09-05-2006, 01:31
We will curtail our anger for now, but a ban on his national products shall be continued until a full apology has been given. Perhaps you could explain these "AWACS" further?
Mer des Ennuis
09-05-2006, 01:43
The E3 AWACS Sentry (Airborne Warning And Control System) is a modified 737 or a 767 (Japan only) with a big radar dish. It is basically a flying control system. It can detect aircraft 400km away, can communicate with friendly aircraft, extend their sensor range, and increase their stealth (since they will not use their own radar). Its only drawback is that it can be detected twice as far away as it can detect other aircraft. The naval version is the E2 Hawkeye.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AWACS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-3_Sentry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-2_Hawkeye
Sparta Infensus
09-05-2006, 01:43
A rather young man inspecting the world news articles came upon this one and with great surprise about thier satellite systems he responded with a quick E-Mail. He did so though the Government programmed E-Mail handling software.

---

"Please note Horde. Despite the fact that we love that you are taking a program which is almost an exact replicate of ours; except for the rifle of course. Our G-12 provides much more logical, simple, and efficient weapon. That we have multiple (THEL) systems being built at the edge of our nation. Which will destroy any satellites which come anywhere near our Nations borders un-invited. So please keep that in mind while programming routes for these satellites. This also has meaning and warning to any other satellite from your nation, government funded or not will be shot down so please tell this to your privately owned GPS companies as well."

--

The young man then click submit as the E-Mail was sent over 512 bit encrypted VPN, Tunnel.
Mondoth
09-05-2006, 01:45
OOC: woah, looks like somebodies buying stuph form somebody they don't have a lifetime contract with? Just curious, but why M-8s over the G-11A2s you get as part of paying me much money?

IC:

The Nine Military Storefront has just the what you need. With our Black Cloak enabled Extra-low intensity radar arrays, you get a cheap stationary solution to air search and weapons targetting with the punch of much more powerful systems. However, these much more powerful systems don't have the feature that makes the Low Intensity radar system such a winning proposition, the Low Probability of Intercept inherent in the Low Intensity. with Black Cloak, the traditional means of detecting hostile radar sets twice as far away as they can get returns is a liability of the past, this revolutionary system uses a reciever set capable of recieving radar returns at less than a quarter of the intensity of conventional recievers. This also means that you can detect enemy radar transmissions nearly eight times farther away than with conventional recievers.

And to give your new defensive radar some Punch, Mondoth Arms Ltd. sells a variety of missiles systems that can easily be installed as ground based defensive weapons.

Secret Message to The Hordes of Doom
From: The Nine Militay Storefront
Via: ESL-GS22789
Encrypt: Public
Decrypt: ********

We have also succesfully tested a High Frequency/High Intensity Phased array system capable of intercepting and destroying ICBMs as well as defending against other orbital based weaponry. The System is disguised as an upper atmosphere mapping initiative to aid in Meteorological research. If interested, please let us know.
The Horde Of Doom
09-05-2006, 02:58
OOC: Cause I don't want the people to have better weapons then the militia.
IC: We will purchase as many Cloak enabled Extra-low intensity radar arrays as we need to blanket the country.
Secrect IC:
We are very interested in this defense program, please inform us on it.
Mer des Ennuis
09-05-2006, 03:25
Just a heads up: you are pretty much going to need AWACS or similar for any kind of airforce, especially for offensive operations.
Mondoth
09-05-2006, 03:32
OOC: that makes sense... my higher level thinking is shot today so I didn't get the difference between Militia and regular troops for about an hour

The Black Cloack radar units are shipping now.


Secret Message to The Hordes of Doom
From: The Nine Militay Storefront
Via: ESL-GS22789
Encrypt: Public
Decrypt: ********
The system actually does function as it has been publicly stated, as an upper atmosphere mapping system for meteorological purposes, but a concealed sub-routine allows it to track other objects that cross into the search area (which is most of the sky) and compares the trajectories of these objects to a pre-programmed list of trajectories that would be used by ICBMs attacking a target area (in this case, Mondoth and our holdings) if the trajectories match, as a phased array it is able to focus its extremely powerful radar beams in such a way as to destroy ICBM re-entry vehicles. In case any evade the initial defense, the system can calculate the point where an ICBM will re-enter the atmosphere and preemptively energize that area, causing the ionosphere to heat up and expand which can either deflect incomming missiles, or cause them to enter to steeply and burn up. Ship-born units are also in use, these are not as powerful, but have much the same capabilities, including a more flexible operating system, allowing them to target a wider variety of trajectories (in case you want to defend your allies)
The SYstem is relatively cheap to operate, but does require a relatively isolated area to be based with easy access to plenty of power and wihtout an obstructed view of the sky.
The Horde Of Doom
10-05-2006, 02:14
Secrect IC:
After busting quite a few heads and nearly killing for an end to govenrment waste, we have aquiered excess funds to buy 5 such satellites models, and would be interested in a ship borne model if it could be "tried before it's buyed."

What kind of ship would carry such a thing, and what power source would it need?
Mondoth
10-05-2006, 02:38
OOC: the large version is land based, not sattelite...

IC:
Secret Message to The Hordes of Doom
From: The Nine Militay Storefront
Via: ESL-GS22789
Encrypt: Public
Decrypt: ********

The Ship borne systems are built into Panamax class (the largest ship capable of fitting through the locks of the Panama Canal) cargo ship fitted with a small nuclear reactor for power. We have successfully used this weapon in defensive opration before (I'll try to scrouge up a link) and while normally we would be eager to show you its capabilities, given te secrecy of this project, we would rather not.

We will send five of the regular land based models on the next ship out. (OOC: due to the phased array set up, they're actually quite cheap once the technology was developed, and easily transported when disassembled. Be sure to remember that this is a very secret system and that it is covered as a Meteorological Survey system, a role that it actually performs)
The Horde Of Doom
10-05-2006, 02:42
OOC: Sorry bout that.

IC:
Understood. We shall await eagerly for our new systems, and construction shall begin. As a meterological survey device, it was hard to win the votes, but a 78% majority agreed on the spending. What is the best way to set them up, to assure maximum coverage up to 1,000 miles out?

We also propose another proposition: Could your teams create a device that could, for a short(maybe longer) amount of time make a general area invisable to radar, LIDAR, LADAR, or such things?(OOC: Think Iron Curtain)
Mondoth
10-05-2006, 03:35
The best coverage for the system can be achieved by placing it either on a mountain top (or watevr high point you can find) near your coast or border. Also, large flat areas with line of sight to te border or coast are also very good placement options. The main thing to remember is not to place an array somewhere that the sky or portions of the sky are obstructed by buildings or mountains.

For your other request. A laser dazzler system may be useful, but it would be more of a 'jamming' systemt han actualy making the area invisible, We have been working on a system to do that for quite a while without any true success.
The Horde Of Doom
10-05-2006, 18:56
A jamming system would be perfect.
The Horde Of Doom
10-05-2006, 19:02
Construction has begun, and the meterological aspects of the program are already being seen. Crakkaland is being covered by the project as well, and we shall watch over them just in case.

Doomingsland's rifle is now in circulation, making the G-11A's limited to civillian use.
Mondoth
10-05-2006, 23:32
OOC: really? which of Doomings' guns are you using?

IC: We will send a set of LIDAR/LADARjamming systems to you as a trial measure to see whether they would fit your needs.
The Horde Of Doom
11-05-2006, 00:06
OOC: His new sub machine gun.
Mondoth
11-05-2006, 00:45
OOC: I still use his older one for my specialops/counter terror units. He 's a good designer, I don't blame you for choosing his stuff over mine.
The Horde Of Doom
11-05-2006, 01:46
OOC: Don't worry, my airforce and navy still relie on you, as does most of the army! :)