NationStates Jolt Archive

Okay, quite basically, after scrapping my past fleets of uber-carriers. So, after too many years of no war (about a year) I have decided to rebuild my entire fleet and military to include more than just unmanned forces.

So, here are my newly constructed forces.

Ground-based units.
7,677,000 (0.3% population) ground forces.
-76,770 (1% ground forces) special forces

Naval-based units
5,118,000 (0.2% population) naval forces
-255,900 carrier based pilots (2% naval forces)
-12,795 naval commanders (0.25% of naval forces)
-54 admirals (1 in command of each carrier fleet, totalling 50 fleets, plus 4 for C.O.C.)

Air-based units
2,559,000 (0.1% population) air forces
-255,900 pilots (10% air forces)


Weaponry
25,590,000 primary arms (i am not one for mentioning exactly what; i'm a bit lazy in that regard)
35,000,000 secondary arms (note previous note)

Ground-based
7.7 milllion people
100,000 M1A2 Abrams tanks
600,000 HMMVEE's
300,000 Stryker's
200,000 M113's
100,000 M88A2 Hercules tanks


Airplanes
100,000 F-14E (rebuilt, more modern, stealthy F-14D's)
200,000 F-16
50,000 F-22 Raptors
150,000 F-15
100,000 heavy bombers
200,000 helicopters
-50,000 transport/rescue helicopters
-100,000 attack helicopters
-25,000 missile-target helicopters
-25,000 convertable helicopter-airplanes

Naval vessels

Each fleet (50 fleets):
5 aircraft carriers (250)
19 destroyers (950)
18 cruisers (900)
14 frigates (700)
23 submarines (1150)
1 flagship (50)

Total naval forces

Carriers
275 CVN 21-class super-carrier (CNV-21, 75 aircraft) (25 in dock)

Command
55 Blue Rudge class flagships (LCC 19, 634 feet long) (10 in dock)

Surface Warfare
1,045 Zumwalt Land Attack Destroyer (DD-21) (95 in dock)
990 Ticonderoga-class cruisers (CG-47, 567 feet long) (90 in dock)
(770 Inchon Mine Countermeasures Support Ship (MCS-12) (70 in dock))**Mine Warfare**

Submarines
1,265 submarines (115 in dock)
-250 Seawolf-class (SSN-21, 353 feet long)
-750 Virginia-class NSSN (SSN-774)
-250 Ohio-class (SSGN-726)

Support:
50 x ASR-21 Pigeon (Submarine Tender)
50 x AS-39 L.Y. Spear (Submarine Tender)

Amphibious Assult:
100 x LDH-1 Wasp-class
50 x LHA-1 Tarawa
50 x LHX (replacing Tarawa)
25 x "Seabase"

Amphibious:
20 x LPD-17 San Antionio-class ("LX Class")
30 x LPD-4 Austin-class
25 x LSD-49 Harpers Ferry-class
75 x LST-1179-class

Mine Warfare:
770 x MCS-12 Ichpon **Also in Surface Warfare**
100 x MCM-1 Avenger
130 x MHC-51 Osprey

(more to come)

Military positions
50 Naval ports (1 fleet per port)
1,000 air bases
-700 (in nation)
-300 (in region)
2,000 army bases
-1,400 army bases (in nation)
-600 additional (in region)

Announced nuclear weaponry
5,000 nuclear missiles (navy)
10,000 nuclear bombs (air force)
750 land-based nuclear missile silos (army)

I have all the resources. 2.6 billion people in a single nation, 100% tax, and nearly unlimited stockpiles of all the needed materials. (Especially the uranium for the nuclear powerplants for the ships)

not sure if I read your numbers correctly, but it looks like you have 6 percent of your pop in your military. That would be enough to collapse your economy outside of wartime, 5% is the generally accepted maximum and even that is pretty high for peace time.

Yes, I wrote correctly. 50% of military is on active duty. The other 50% is all reserve forces. On average, about 250 of the 500 naval fleets are active. Check out the diagram. A quarter of the budget is deticated to military, I also have 6.95% unemployment. I draft most of the unemployed, exclusively. The now more-employed people are are still considered unemployed.


6% total
3% on duty

3% army (1.25% active)
2% navy (1% active)
1% air (.75% active)

So yes quite basically it does little but hold stable my economy.

Yes, I wrote correctly. 50% of military is on active duty. The other 70% is all reserve forces.
50% + 70% = 120% = Impossible.

11,500 Arleigh Burke-class destroyers (DDG-51, 513 feet long, $20 million each) (1,000 in dock)
10,000 Ticonderoga-class cruisers (CG-47, 567 feet long, $28 million each) (1,000 in dock)
8,000 Oliver Hazard Perry-class missile frigates (FFG-7, 453 feet long, $16 each) (1,000 in dock)

*Dies* Seriously, considering the price to upkeep and operational costs of your numbers, it would be impossible for you to operate so many ships, and to say otherwise is just plain Assnine. And a Nimitz cost MUCH more than 160 million.

Stealthy F-14s? It might be possible, though you might have to drop the swing-wings. Just keep in mind that at high speeds, RAM paint burns off...

Also, an are the OHP 16 dollars ?!!?!?

2000 Nemitz-class (CNV-68, nuclear, 1092 feet long, 85 aircraft, $160 million each)

Dude, a Nimitz costs at least four billion dollars. And that's not including any aircraft, either. Your other vessel costs are similarly too low, and 6% of population in the forces isn't going to happen without screwing your country over, even 1% is pushing things.

Your total armed forces strength is 153,540,000; that's almost twice the population of Germany.

Dude, a Nimitz costs at least four billion dollars. And that's not including any aircraft, either. Your other vessel costs are similarly too low, and 6% of population in the forces isn't going to happen without screwing your country over, even 1% is pushing things.

Your total armed forces strength is 153,540,000; that's almost twice the population of Germany. Well nationstates countries are often very large.

I'm going to be nice here, and offer some help.

These prices are estimated and from various resources. They should be very close to the mark.

Nimitz class, around 4 billion each.
Ticonderoga class, around 650 million each.
Arleigh Burke class, around 620 million each (750 ish for Flight IIA)
Oliver Hazard Perry (short)class, around 250 million each (270ish for long haul)
Seawolf class, around 2.5 billion each.
(Trident C-4) Ohio class, around 3.2 billion each. (Trident-II D-5) 3.8ish billion.

Impossible? for a nation with a total of three populations (three nations feed into one military budget)? There was over 10 years feeding into one budget. Also look at populice; 2.5 billion.

Your quote is how much a Nimitz costs to operate in one year, that's what 'annual operating cost' means.

Stealthy F-14s? It might be possible, though you might have to drop the swing-wings. Just keep in mind that at high speeds, RAM paint burns off...

Changed the design quite a bit. Hardpoints are a bit different (covered), and paint is embeded with iron (absorbs radio waves). Sweep wing design also changed, and now are more stable and better shielded (don't you love M.T.?).


And, if you want give me new price estimates. I'll change them (asap)

Impossible? for a nation with a total of three populations (three nations feed into one military budget)? There was over 10 years feeding into one budget. Also look at populice; 2.5 billion.

That is the cost to Annually maintain them, not to build them. That means you would spend around 4.2 billion to build each ship, followed by a daunting yearly operating costs around 3.3 Trillion a Year !

Actually, the building cost of all the carriers alone would be 840 Trillion, which is almost to high for my graphing calculator !

Germany's population is about 84 million. My population is over 2.5 billion. Notice the difference.


My population is 2.2 billion. Yet i do not operate nearly that much stuff.

Germany's population is about 84 million. My population is over 2.5 billion. Notice the difference.

That wasn't the point; the point is you have armed forces twice the size of a major industrialised nation's entire population. It'd be damn near impossible to organise and equip such a ridiculously large force when it's 6% of your labour pool as well.

To put it into perspective, Germany's population is 82,411,000 and its military employs 382,000 people, of which 125,000 are civilians. That's 0.46% of their population in the military in any way. America has a population of 298,540,066 with 1.4 million active in all forces. That's 0.47%.

Even North Korea with 22,900,000 people and 1.08 million in the military has only 4.7% of their population in the military: it's worth noting this means 20% of men aged 17-54 are in the armed forces and the government spends a quarter of the national GDP on the armed forces.

So, if you want to be worse off than North Korea, go with 6%. Otherwise, don't.

$2,252,831,786,732,800 or over $2,000 quadrillion

Are you seriously trying to claim your government has spent no money on anything for 70 years? And that government wastage isn't, well, wasted? If you're going to use a calculator it doesn't help your case to ignore the inconveniant parts.

combined 70y defense budget of $730,815,905,863,470 ($730 trillion)

Which isn't even enough for the 840 trillion it would cost to build two thousand Nimitz class carriers, let alone anything else on your list. There's also the question here of why you had a military budget for 70 years if there was no military to spend it on.

USA's military is miniture. We are lazy and stupid in many regards. That is why I am not like that.

No, US' military is sensible since it allows the government money to do things like maintain roads and run state schools and such. Now, your 100% tax rate means you have to spend much more of your budget on welfare and such because you have to use government money to feed, clothe, house and educate all your people.

As pointed out, your percentages would leave you worse off than North Korea. Your country would be literally falling apart with the military the only working component; you'd have very low literacy rates, massive crime and corruption and national infrastructure like power and road systems collapsing from total neglect.

Hard, but not impossible, to mobilize a force like that. Besides 1 NS year=1day

No, a lot of people don't RP that and it's not official policy at all. NS time is fluid and passes at whatever rate is convenient for the RP; nobody RPs an election twice a week or writes a new set of characters every month.

Okay; ive not been on for a while and i will edit my original post to make it real...

OOC: It might be useful to point out that you have 2.5 million pilots .. for 6 million jets and helicopters. >.>

OOC: It might be useful to point out that you have 2.5 million pilots .. for 6 million jets and helicopters. >.>
I fixed the numbers. 1/10 the previous impossible force should be great. 0.6% are military, much like the lazy, slacking America where I live...

I'm going to be nice here, and offer some help.

These prices are estimated and from various resources. They should be very close to the mark.

Nimitz class, around 4 billion each.
Ticonderoga class, around 650 million each.
Arleigh Burke class, around 620 million each (750 ish for Flight IIA)
Oliver Hazard Perry (short)class, around 250 million each (270ish for long haul)
Seawolf class, around 2.5 billion each.
(Trident C-4) Ohio class, around 3.2 billion each. (Trident-II D-5) 3.8ish billion.

This post is helpful also, for adjusting your listed prices.

Still need to correct your prices. Dude, a Rafael costs more than what you have the Ticonderoga's and AB's listed for. (A Brand New Dassault Rafael goes for around 30 million.) Ticonderoga's and Arleigh Burke's go for around 650 million.

Still need to correct your prices. Dude, a Rafael costs more than what you have the Ticonderoga's and AB's listed for. (A Brand New Dassault Rafael goes for around 30 million.) Ticonderoga's and Arleigh Burke's go for around 650 million.

Thank you; I find it too confusing, and I know that I have enough to fund this little arms-building.

Still need to correct your prices. Dude, a Rafael costs more than what you have the Ticonderoga's and AB's listed for. (A Brand New Dassault Rafael goes for around 30 million.) Ticonderoga's and Arleigh Burke's go for around 650 million.

A Rafale goes for more than $30 million. More like $60+ million from what I heard.