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Current year 1963, the Republicans and Democrats are manuevering for next years election
US is tech level 7.5

US Territories
48 states in Continental USA plus 4 other states: Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico and Polynesia (real life French Polynesia). Territories of Marshal Islands, Caroline Islands, Palau Islands, Marianas Islands, Johnson Island, Howland/Baker Islands

The US has a permanent base at McMurdo Sound in the Antaractica and has bases at the South Pole (Scott / Amundson Base) and Palmer Pennisula (Palmer Station) on that continent.

The US claims a 200 mile economic zone around all of its coastlines (including its islands in the Pacific).

Political
current President: Joseph Kennedy Jr, Democrat (Massachusetts) A war hero from the Third Great War, married to former film actress Marilyn (Monroe) Kennedy. started his term in January 1957. The Democrats control the House and the Republicans the Senate at this time.

Alliances:
Pan American Treaty (all nations in Western Hemisphere plus Britian, Netherlands) commercial, military and political treaty (the oldest alliance US is involved in, dating back to 1905)
Oceanic Alliance -- US, Canada, Mexico, FNS, Australasia, UK, (major nations that border or own territories in the Pacific) commercial, military and political treaty. (replaces the defunct London Treaty Alliance that essentially become the UN during the Third Great War)
Bilateral Treaties with Liberia, Belgian Congo, Russia, Iceland, Canada

Member nation of United Nations, with permanent seat on UN Security Council.

Alliance Space Program
Current Space Assets:
Manned Orbital Lab (Yankee Station) orbiting Northern Hemisphere along 35th Parellel
Manned Orbital Lab (Dixie Station) orbiting Southern Hemisphere along 35th Parellel
X20 and X15C orbiters, Titan II launch vehicles with Gemini supply craft. Improved Commucations satellites, improved Spy satellites, early warning and science satellites. (real time capability). Unmanned space capability to Luna, Mars and Venus (landers and orbiters)

Late development stage: Very heavy rockets (Saturn VB), Apollo Program (manned lunar missions)

US has 2nd Generation liquid fuel ICBMs, 3rd Generation solid rocket ICBMs, IRBMs, MIRV technology

Advancement to tech level 8 (subject to change)

1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 20 years
2. Has reached 75% of maximum economic productivity for at least 5 years
3. Has placed a man in orbit either by itself or in conjuction with 2 other nations.
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants.
5. Has an airline and tourist industry.
6. Spent 5 points a year for 10 years on building an electronics industry (year 6)
7. Improved Communications satellites

At current rate, the US will reach tech level 8 in 1968

Canada is also on the road to tech level 8

US Budget 1964 in progress
Population 208 million tech level 7.5
Production centers 412 (maximum potential 416) (88 production centers are EMP hardened with ultimate goal of having 50% all US industry spread in the top 100 urban areas having at least 2 hardened industrial centers)

Energy Resources
Oil 16, Coal 18, Nuclear 16, Natural Gas 20, Hydroelectric 5, Ethanol 1

The US has sufficient natural gas, nuclear and hydroelectric power to fuel 1400 production centers (currently using 16 nuclear, 5 hydroelectric, 5 Coal, 20 natural gas for domestic production).

Commerce and Tourism require 2 oil points and 1 ethanol point (for 75 total commercial and tourism points)
Leaving 14 oil points available to fuel 350 military points (remaining military points are forces that don’t require oil such as ballistic missile units and nuclear powered warships)

Beginning 1960 Alaskan oil will provide enough cushion to replace diminishing oil production in the 48 states until 1970, when production fall further. The US reached its peak oil production in 1955 historically.

Pollution index(beginning 1960)
No population penalty, -2 for having over 800 production points, and no penalty for coal or hydroelectric as below the threshold. Pollution control measures reduce pollution penalty to -1.

Trading Partners: Canada 4, Mexico 4, UK 3, Japan 3, Russia 3, Central America, Caribbean and Iceland 3, FNS 4, China 3, Africa 3, East Asia 3, Europe 4, USAE 1, Australasia 2

Income (using 1960 rules)
1236 domestic + 50 commerce +5 commerce (communications satellite bonus) + 5 colonial + 20 tourism = 1316 points

Growth +1% for national effort + 1% for trade pacts – 1% for pollution = 1%

Military budget 462 points
Level 4 social services (all US including colonial territories) 102 points
Civil Defense 21 points
Intelligence Agency maintenance 10 points (5 for covert operations as needed)
Nuclear energy program 6 points

Military and Civilian research
1st Generation ABM research (72 out 72 points) 12 points
Nuclear weapons research 12 points (ongoing improvements, most US testing now underground)

Military builds
Chemical weapons production (very very covert) 6 points (sufficient for 1 batch of types 1 – 6 chemical warfare agents, placed in storage at Yuma Proving Ground,
2 nuclear heavy carriers (USS Bunker Hill, USS Mobile Bay) 32 points (year 2 of 2)
6 Nimitz class (historical Truxton class) nuclear powered escort cruisers (Pratt, Kidd, Callaghan, Lee, Kimmel, Decatur,) 48 points (year 1 of 1)
20 pilots to the USAFR and USANG 40 points
2 E3 Sentry AEW units 20 points (1 new wing)
8 F4G added to regular USAF (replacing 8 F4E which go to ANG and AFRES to)(part of maintenance)(4 new fighter wings added to USAFR and ANG, 4 F101B wings replaced)
4 EFB111 Raven units 20 points (4 new wings)
4 C5A units 16 points (4 new wings)
5 C141 units 15 points (replace 5 USAF C130 wings which go to create 5 new ANG wings)
2 KC135 units 6 points (2 new ANG wings)

Foreign Aid and Domestic Programs
French Foreign Legion subsidy 2 points
electronics industry research (DARPA projects of various types, directed toward tech level 8)(year 7 of 10) 5 points
Military Aid to Congo (maintenance for 4 pilots, 1 transport helicopter unit, 1 cargo helicopter unit, 1 attack 1 F5 fighter bomber unit, 5 garrison units, 2 parachute brigades, 1 light infantry division) 15 points
EMP harden 130 US, 3 Australian and 2 Canadian production centers

Space
US/FNS funded (75 points)
see Space Thread for details

US Nuclear deterrent 1964
324 B52s armed with 2 Hound Dog missiles (100 kilotons each) and 2 gravity bombs (10 megatons each)
20% are on ground alert at all times (in the air in 15 minutes), another 10% on hour alert

144 B58s each armed with 6 air to air Genie missiles (nuclear) and 1 10 megaton gravity bomb

216 B52s also available as a reserve force (usually assigned to other missions)

300 Minuteman II missiles with 5 x MIRV 200 kiloton warheads, fully fueled and can launch immediately as targets programed, plus another 700 Minuteman III mssiles in silos each with 5 x MIRV 300 kiloton warheads

Each Heavy carrier also has 2 A6 Invader bombers (armed with 100 kiloton gravity bombs) on 1 hour alert at all times.

Each FB111 wing has 20% of its aircraft on 1 hour alert (each can carry 1 x 100 kiloton warhead or 2 smaller tactical weapons).

All submarines and escort cruisers have nuclear torpedoes (10 kiloton weapons), and ASW air units have nuclear torpedoes available.

4 nuclear powered ballistic missile submarines, each with 12 Polaris III missiles (single 1 megaton warheads). plus 4 nuclear powered ballistic missile submarines, each with 18 Polaris III missiles (1 megaton warheads)
2 at sea all times.

All Interceptor Wings have Genie nuclear air to air missiles assigned, and the National Guard and Army flak units will also have nuclear tipped Hercules missiles.

US Air Force 1964
SAC
A Bomb Wing consists of 36 bombers and 36 tankers (54 points)
B52G units (nuclear deterrence mission)
509th Bomb Wing, Whiteman AFB, 7th Bomb Wing Ellsworth AFB, 9th Bomb Wing Plattsburg AFB, 28th Bomb Wing Castle AFB, 92nd Bomb Wing McCord AFB, 157th Bomb Wing Pease AFB, 91st Bomb Wing Barksdale AFB, 94th Bomb Wing Offut AFB
B58 units (nuclear deterrence mission)
100th Bomb Wing Dyess AFB, 99th Bomb Wing Shepherd AFB, 97th Bomb Wing McCord AFB, 96th Bomb Wing Plattsburgh AFB,
B52C units (maritime strike and minelaying mission)
89th Bomb Wing Travis AFB, 93rd Bomb Wing McClellen AFB, 95th Bomb Wing McGuirre AFB, 2nd Bomb Wing Dover AFB
B52D units (conventional bombing)
7th Bomb Wing Minot AFB, 366th Bomb Wing England AFB

A Strategic Recon Wing consists of 36 recon aircraft and 36 tankers (but are usually deployed in detachments) (25 points)
Home Stations
1st Strategic Recon Wing Pease AFB (U2s)
2nd Strategic Recon Wing Dover AFB (SR71s)
3rd Strategic Recon Wing McCord AFB (RC135s)
4th Strategic Recon Wing Darwin AFB (Australia) (RC135s)

A missile Wing has ICBMs in hardened silos (100 points)
44th Missile Wing (50 Minuteman II ICBMs, 200 Minuteman III ICBMs) Davis Monthan AFB 351st Missile Wing (50 Minuteman II ICBMs, 200 Minuteman III ICBMs) Nellis AFB 123rd Missile Wing (100 Minuteman II ICBMs, 150 Minuteman III ICBMs) Luke AFB 45th Missile Wing (100 Minuteman II ICBMs, 150 Minuteman III ICBMs) Mountain Home AFB

Forward airbases for SAC include bases in Russia, Australia, Guam, Alaska, Hawaii, Kwajalien, Truk, Liberia, Cuba, Iceland and Greenland. SAC Aircraft are not permanently stationed here except in time of crisis, but generally these bases see at least a wing visiting on a frequent basis and strategic recon aircraft on a constant basis (operating in squadrons or smaller)

Air Defense Command
(maintenance costs: 14 points)
Active forces
4 Avro Arrow units,
Air National Guard forces
2 Avro Arrow units, 4 F101B units,1 EC121 unit,

Active Forces
48th Fighter Wing (Arrow)Keflavik Iceland with detachments stationed in Greenland, 35th Fighter Wing (Arrow) Perth Australia
31st Fighter Wing (Arrow) Hickem Field, Oahu with detachments at Kwajelien and Midway
3rd Fighter Wing (Arrow) Elmendorf AFB, Alaska
ANG Forces
149th Fighter Wing (F101B) Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana
148th Fighter Wing (F101B) Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota
147th Fighter Wing (F101B) Maryland, New Jersey, New York
146th Fighter Wing (F101B) California, Oregon, Washington
189th Airborne Early Warning Wing (E121) Oklahoma (HQ, actual aircraft are scattered around the US)

Tactical Air Command (maintenance cost: 30 points)
Active Forces
8 F4C units, 4 FB111 unit, 4 KC135 units, 16 elite pilots
Air National Guard forces
3 F105 units, 1 KC135 unit, 4 elite pilots

9th Air Force (US East Coast)
1st Fighter Wing (F4C) Langley AFB, 52nd Fighter Bomber Wing (FB111) Moody AFB, 23rd Fighter Wing (F4C) Shaw AFB, 190th Air Refueling Wing (KC135) Langley AFB

7th Air Force (US West Coast)
4th Fighter Wing (F4C) Nellis AFB, 56th Fighter Bomber Wing (FB111) George AFB, 51st Fighter Wing (F4C) Luke AFB, 43rd Air Refueling Wing (KC135) Davis Monthan AFB

13th Air Force (Australia)
18th Fighter Wing (F4C) Darwin, 8th Fighter Wing (F4C) Perth, 33rd Fighter Bomber Wing (FB111) Darwin, 192nd Air Refueling Wing (KC135) Darwin

14th Air Force (Texas/New Mexico)
49th Fighter Wing (F4C) Bergstrom AFB, 27th Fighter Wing (F4C) Cannon AFB, 5th Fighter Bomber Wing (FB111) Kirtland AFB, 60th Air Refueling Wing (Kelly AFB)

15th Air Force (Air National Guard)
101st Fighter Wing (FB111) Arizona / New Mexico ANG, 103rd Fighter Wing (FB111) Massachusetts ANG, 111th Fighter Wing (F4E) Georgia / Alabama ANG, 156th Air Refueling Wing (KC135) South Carolina / North Carolina ANG

Military Airlift Command (1000 aircraft)(maintenance 36 points)
Active
1 VIP Wing, 3 C141 Wings, 2 C123 Wings, 7 C130 Wings, 13 expert pilots
Air National Guard
1 C124 Wing, 6 C130 Wings, 3 KC135 Wings, 10 expert pilots

Active Forces
Organized into 1 VIP Wing (Andrews Air Force Base), 4 Special Operations Wings (with a mix of helicopters, C123s and C130s), and 6 Airlift Wings (C130s)
Air National Guard Forces
Organized into 1 Heavy Airlift Wing (supports SAC and NASA), 6 Airlift Wings ( C130s) and 3 Tanker Wings (KC135s)

Reserve air fleet (in desert storage)
2 RB47 units, 6 F105 units, 2 F101A units, 4 F101B units, 2 F104 units, 2 KC97 units

Total cost: 259 points

US Navy 1964

Carrier Fleet
CVN Enterprise, Philippine Sea, Omaha Beach
CVA Ranger, Wasp, Hornet, Bon Homme Richard (historical Forrestal class), Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman (historical Kitty Hawk class), Heavy carriers Yorktown, Lexington, Valley Forge, Saratoga (historical Midway class)
CV Lake Champlain, America, Oriskany, Intrepid, Lake Erie, Kitty Hawk, Constitution, Constellation, Essex (historical Essex class with angled flight decks)
15 Heavy Carrier Air Wings
9 Light Carrier Air Wings

Total forces: 1 CVN, 12 CVA, 9 CV, 12 heavy air wings, 9 light air wings,
Maintenance cost: 68

Surface fleet
4 Nuclear Heavy anti aircraft Missile Cruiser Long Beach, Texas, California, South Carolina
12 antiaircraft missile cruisers (San Diego, San Antonio, San Pedro, Duluth, Galveston, Los Angeles, Hampton, Biloxi, Atlanta, Juneau, San Pedro, San Juan),\
3 Nuclear escort cruisers Nimitz, Sims, Spruance
12 escort cruisers (Concord, Richmond, Memphis, Chester, Pensacola, Salt Lake City, Houston, Northhampton, Wichita, Tuscaloosa, Indianapolis, Augusta
60 Forrest Sherman class destroyers (30 tech level 7.5 destroyer squadrons)
60 Knox class frigates (30 tech level 7.5 frigate squadrons

Total forces: 3 CGAN, 12 CG, 3 CLN, 12 CL, 50 DDG, 60 FFG, maintenance cost: 17

Submarine Fleet
31 2nd Generation SSN (Sturgeon class) Sturgeon, Whale, Tautog, Grayling, Pogy, Sunfish, Ray, Puffer, Queenfish, Pargo, Sand Lance, Gunard, Hammerhead, Seadevil, Hawkbill, Spadefish, Seahorse, Narwhale, Pintado, Archerfish, Silversides, Dogfish, Kraken, Cavalla, Cachelot, Orca, Sea Lion, Pike, Porpoise, Dolphin, Marlin
19 1st Generation SSN (Nautilus/Seawolf class) Nautilus, Sailfish, Salmon, Seawolf, Grayback, Darter. Growler, Skate, Swordfish, Blueback, Bonefish, Sargo, Bonefish, Triton, Halibut, Scamp, Sculpin, Shark, Snook,
4 1st Generation SSBN Patrick Henry, Ethan Allen, Robert E. Lee, Sam Houston (each armed with 12 Polaris II 2nd generation solid rocket IRBMs with 100 kiloton warheads)
2 2nd Generation SSBN Ethan Allen, Nathanial Greene (each armed with 18 Polaris II 2nd generation solid rocket IRBMs with 100 kiloton warheads)
10 Tech level 7 SSK
Total maintenance: 23.25 points

Amphibious, Patrol and Support fleet
2 transport groups
4 tech level 7 Frigate flotillas (20 large USCG cutters)
4 Escort / Patrol Groups (80 small USCG cutters)
4 amphibious assault groups (special note) 2 amphibious groups are Navy Reserve units (1 each coast)
total maintenance: 5.5 points

USN / USMC Landbased Air
1 USMC F4 Phantom unit, 1 USMC AD1 Skyraider unit, plus 3 of the light carrier air wings are USMC
6 P3 Orion maritime patrol units (2 each coast plus 1 at Alaska, 1 at Hawaii)
8 USMC and USN and USNR expert pilots
total maintenance cost: 9 points

Total cost USN 123 points

US Navy Deployment 1962
Pacific Ocean area – 1st, 3rd, 7th, 9th Fleets
7th Fleet (principal base- Truk Lagoon, US Caroline Islands, repair base- Pearl Harbor, secondary bases Ulithi Lagoon, US Caroline Islands; Guam,)
covers Western Pacific and East Asia
forces – 4 heavy carriers (Yorktown, Lexington, Valley Forge, Saratoga), 4 anti aircraft cruisers (Juneau, Atlanta, Galveston, Los Angeles) 8 destroyers, 8 frigates, 4 SSNs (Nautilus, Sailfish, Growler, Skate)

3rd Fleet (principal base – Pearl Harbor, Hawaii; repair base- Bremerton, WA, secondary bases Dutch Harbor, Alaska, Truk Lagoon, Rabual, New Ireland, Australasia)
covers Central and Northern Pacific
forces – 4 heavy carriers (Ranger, Wasp, Bon Homme Richard, Hornet), 2 anti aircraft cruisers (Hampton, Biloxi), 4 destroyers, 4 frigates, 4 SSNs (Salmon, Seawolf, Sargo, Codfish)

1st Fleet (principal base – San Diego, CA; repair base – Long Beach, CA; secondary bases Pearl Harbor; Tahiti; Bremerton, WA; Panama, FNS)
covers Eastern and Southern Pacific
forces – 4 heavy carriers (George Washington, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Abraham Lincoln), 2 fleet carriers (Lake Champlain, America), 2 anti aircraft cruisers (San Pedro, Duluth, San Juan, Miami), 2 escort cruisers (Indianapolis, Augusta), 8 destroyers, 14 frigates, 4 SSNs (Grayback, Darter,Shark, Snook)

9th Fleet (principal base – Pearl Harbor; repair base- Bremerton, forward bases: Guam; Dutch Harbor; Darwin)
covers Western Pacific, Sea of Japan, China Sea and South China Sea
forces – 8 SSBN (Patrick Henry, Ethan Allen, Robert E. Lee, Sam Houston, Lafayette, Nathanial Greene, Daniel Morgan, Jacob Brown), 20 SSN (Sturgeon, Whale, Tautog, Grayling, Pogy, Sunfish, Ray, Puffer, Queenfish, Pargo, Sand Lance, Gunard, Hammerhead, Sea Devil, Hawkbill, Barracuda, Wahoo, Tang, Albacore, Redfish)

Indian Ocean Area – 5th Fleet
5th Fleet (principal base – Diego Garcia, British Indian Ocean Territory, repair base – Freemantle, Australia; secondary bases Muscat, Oman; Darwin, Australia; Durban, South Africa, Aden, British Yemen)
covers Indian Ocean
forces – 3 heavy carriers (Nimitz, Philippine Sea, Omaha Beach), 3 nuclear powered heavy cruisers (Long Beach, Texas, California), 9 nuclear powered escort cruisers (Nimitz, Sims, Spruance, Farragut, John Paul Jones, Perry, Porter, Bainbridge, Dewey), 6 destroyers, 6 frigates, 6 SSNs (Swordfish, Blueback, Bonefish, Sargo, Triton, Halibut,)

Mediterranean Sea Area – 6th Fleet
6th Fleet (principal base- Casablanca, Morocco, repair base- Norfolk, VA, secondary bases Malta, Gibraltar)
covers Mediterranean Sea
forces – 2 fleet carriers (Intrepid, Oriskany), 2 nuclear powered heavy cruisers (Mississippi, New York), 2 escort cruisers (Wichita, Tuscaloosa) 4 destroyers, 8 frigates

Atlantic Ocean Area – 2nd, 8th, 10th Fleets
2nd Fleet (principal base – Norfolk, VA, repair base – Norfolk, VA, secondary bases Charleston, SC; Kings Bay, GA; Roosevelt Roads, Puerto Rico)
covers Central and South Atlantic plus Caribbean Sea
forces –2 fleet carriers (Kitty Hawk, Lake Erie), 2 anti aircraft cruisers (San Diego, San Antonio), 2 escort cruisers (Houston, Northampton), 8 destroyers, 8 frigates, 1 SSN (Barracuda)

8th Fleet (principal base Groton, CT, repair base – Groton, CT, forward bases at Reykjavik, Holy Loch)
covers North Atlantic and G-I-UK gap and also services as primary training fleet for USN submarine forces
forces: 16 SSN (Seahorse, Narwhale, Pintado, Archerfish, Silversides, Orca, Dogfish, Kraken, Cavalla, Cachelot, Orca, Sea Lion, Pike, Porpoise, Dolphin, Marlin ), 10 SSK

10th Fleet (principal base – Portsmouth, NH, repair base – Philadelphia, PA, secondary bases - Brooklyn Naval Yard, Reykjavik, Iceland; Holy Loch, Scotland; Halifax, Canada)
covers North Atlantic and also principal reserve for USN
forces – 3 fleet carriers (Essex, Constellation, Constitution) , 6 escort cruisers (Concord, Richmond, Memphis, Chester, Pensacola, Salt Lake City), 12 destroyers, 12 frigates,

US Ground Forces 1964
Total maintenance costs ground forces (80 points)
Regular Army
Army Aviation
7 transport helicopter units, 7 attack helicopter units, 7 cargo helicopter units, 21 expert pilots
Regular Army
1 armored corps, 3 mechanized corps, 2 infantry divisions, 6 Air Assault divisions (4 parachute trained, 2 not), 3 mountain brigades, 1 mechanized flak group, 1 mechanized artillery group, 3 flak groups, 2 HQs (all elite), 4 special forces groups (battalion, handpicked), 1 ranger battalion (handpicked)

Army National Guard and Reserve
2 HQs, 2 armored divisions, 2 mechanized divisions, 8 infantry divisions, 8 mechanized artillery groups, 1 mountain brigade, 12 flak groups, 4 helicopter units, 4 reserve pilots (elite)

US Marine Corps
6 marine light infantry brigades (elite) 3 marine mechanized infantry brigades (elite trained)
US Marine Corps Reserve
2 marine light infantry brigades, 1 marine mechanized infantry brigade

Deployment
US Army
Australia
1 armored corps worth of vehicles, tanks and equipment
1 air assault division worth of vehicles, tanks and equipment

Sverdlovsk, Russia
1 mechanized corps worth of vehicles, tanks and equipment
1 air assault division worth of vehicles, tanks and equipment

Iceland
2nd Infantry Division, 1 flak group

Oahu
25th Infantry Division, 1 flak group

Alaska
10th Mountain Division, 1st Alaskan Scouts brigade (NG)(Fort Richardson)

Belgian Congo
11th Aviation Group, 7th Special Forces Group, 10th Special Forces Group

US Army Rapid Deployment Force
82nd Airborne Division (3 airborne brigades, 1 transport helicopter, 1 cargo helicopter, 1 attack helicopter) Fort Bragg, NC,
101st Airborne Division (3 airborne brigades, 1 transport helicopter, 1 cargo helicopter, 1 attack helicopter) Fort Campbell KY,
5th, 7th, 10th Special Forces Group Fort Chaffee, AR
1st, 2nd, 3rd battalions/ 75th Rangers Fort Lewis, WA
11th Aviation Group (1 transport helicopter, 1 cargo helicopter, 1 attack helicopter)

US Marine Corps
1st Marine Division (2 amphibious light infantry, 1 amphibious mechanized brigades, well trained) Camp Pendleton, CA
1st MAW (A4 Skyhawk and Helicopters)(Miramar)
2nd Marine Division ((2 amphibious light infantry, 1 amphibious mechanized brigades, well trained) Camp Lejune, NC
3rd Marine Division (2 amphibious light infantry brigades, 1 amphibious mechanized brigade) with the 2nd, 6th and 10th Fleets
2nd MAW (A4 Skyhawk and helicopters)(Norfolk)

US Army NORAD
1 regular army flak brigade at Anchorage, Oahu, and Iceland
12 NG flak brigades covering Boston, New York City, Washington DC, Philadelphia, Newport News, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Detroit, Houston, Atlanta, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle,

US Army strategic reserve
6th Army (Presidio, San Francisco)
11th Airborne Division (3 light infantry brigades, 1 transport helicopter, 1 cargo helicopter, 1 attack helicopter (Fort Ord)
17th Airborne Division (as above) (Fort Lewis)
13th Airborne Division (as above)(Fort Huachucu)

3rd Army (Fort Sam Houston, San Antonio)
V Mechanized Corps (Fort Bliss)
VII Mechanized Corps (Fort Riley),
III Armored Corps (Fort Hood)
IX Mechanized Corps (Fort Carson)
1st Cavalry Division (air cavalry)(3 light infantry brigades, 1 transport helicopter, 1 cargo helicopter, 1 attack helicopter)( Fort Chaffee)
75th mechanized artillery group (Fort Sill),
97th mechanized flak group (Ft Bliss)

2nd Army (National Guard and Army Reserve East of Mississippi)
2nd Army Command (Fort Dix), 28th (PA NG), 29th (VA/MD NG), 30th (SC/NC NG), 42nd (NY NG) infantry divisions, 3rd Armored Division (NJ/DE NG), 4th Armored Division (TN/KY NG), 6 mechanized artillery groups, 2 helicopter units (various states)

5th Army (National Guard and Army Reserve West of Mississippi)
5th Army Command (Fort Polk), 35th Mechanized Division (MO/KS NG), 36th Mechanized Division (TX NG), 45th (OK/AR NG), 34th (MI/IN NG), 38th (WI/IL NG), 40th (CA NG) infantry divisions, 2 mechanized artillery brigades, 2 helicopter units (various state)

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1958 The Kennedy Administration orders a complete examination of the US military establishment and future missions.

Air mobility is seen as increasingly important, as are special operations forces. But the ability of the US to fight and win a global war is also critical. Nuclear Deterence is also critical.

Balancing these seperate problems is seen as necessary for the future.

Meanwhile, President Kennedy and the First Lady visit Sydney, Canberra, and Darwin before flying to Manila. Along the way visits are made to the future states of Hawaii and Polynesia. After Manila, the President and his wife visit Guam before flying to the future state of Alaska.

The Egyptian ambassador would like to approach the Kennedy administration on whether they would like to set up a base within the Western Desert or Negev Desert. We realize that the US may have logistical issues for peacekeeping missions in the Middle East and, if the Turkish Alliance-Arab League rivalry finally ignites into war, peacekeeping forces will need a safe and . After the colonialism issue dies down, the UR is going to actually become the peacekeepers they are suppose to be and in our area, we're going to need all the help we can get.

OOC:
US-Egyptian relations seem really strained in E20. I understand that Egypt hates imperialism and the US hates socialism, but I think the US would be a lot more interested in Egypt because of it's geostrategic location in the Middle East and it's just a giant desert away from the US's main E20 rival, China.

The Egyptian ambassador would like to approach the Kennedy administration on whether they would like to set up a base within the Western Desert or Negev Desert. We realize that the US may have logistical issues for peacekeeping missions in the Middle East and, if the Turkish Alliance-Arab League rivalry finally ignites into war, peacekeeping forces will need a safe and . After the colonialism issue dies down, the UR is going to actually become the peacekeepers they are suppose to be and in our area, we're going to need all the help we can get.

OOC:
US-Egyptian relations seem really strained in E20. I understand that Egypt hates imperialism and the US hates socialism, but I think the US would be a lot more interested in Egypt because of it's geostrategic location in the Middle East and it's just a giant desert away from the US's main E20 rival, China.

OOC: You like to make problems in your nation, don't you...

You don't think the tremendous German presence in the area is enough?

The Egyptian ambassador would like to approach the Kennedy administration on whether they would like to set up a base within the Western Desert or Negev Desert. We realize that the US may have logistical issues for peacekeeping missions in the Middle East and, if the Turkish Alliance-Arab League rivalry finally ignites into war, peacekeeping forces will need a safe and . After the colonialism issue dies down, the UR is going to actually become the peacekeepers they are suppose to be and in our area, we're going to need all the help we can get.

OOC:
US-Egyptian relations seem really strained in E20. I understand that Egypt hates imperialism and the US hates socialism, but I think the US would be a lot more interested in Egypt because of it's geostrategic location in the Middle East and it's just a giant desert away from the US's main E20 rival, China.

ooc
hmm, I am pretty busy the next couple of days, but the US will get back to you on this

IC
The Kennedy Administration expresses interest, and has the US Ambassador to Egypt enter into serious talks. The main US concern is that the presence of US troops (or British troops for that matter) would increase tensions, not lower them. On the other hand, US, British, South African, Egyptian, Moroccan, and Algerian troops all fought side by side during the Third Great War and liberated Syria from MEU rule. They also fought Union (including German troops) together.

Kennedy requests a visit to Egypt soon.

US State Department officials withhold comment on recent news reports of oppressive measures taken in South Africa.

The Reichstag also reminds the Americans that German troops fought alongside British Troops in the push into Russia.

Kennedy requests a visit to Egypt soon.

Cairo would be more than glad to welcome President Kennedy. We may also discuss the issue of whether the SU will provide nuclear weapons to Turkey, which would destroy all hopes of settling the Turkish-Arab rivalry.

OOC: Something that would only happen should Egypt or Syria built weapons of their own.

Cairo would be more than glad to welcome President Kennedy. We may also discuss the issue of whether the SU will provide nuclear weapons to Turkey, which would destroy all hopes of settling the Turkish-Arab rivalry.

Kennedy, in a speech made while visiting Japan, reaffirms the Eisenhower Doctrine. Any nation that uses nuclear weapons in a war of aggression will find itself at odds with the United States.

1958, spring... a series of very high altitude nuclear tests occur over Johnson Island in the Pacific (detonations at 300 miles).

A nasty and unexpected side effect is the disruption of radio communications over a 2,000 mile radius, and some damage to the Hawaiian electrical grid.

Electromagnetic pulse is the cause.

ooc
this really happened, and was somewhat embarrassing. It was classified until the 1990s

Kennedy, in a speech made while visiting Japan, reaffirms the Eisenhower Doctrine. Any nation that uses nuclear weapons in a war of aggression will find itself at odds with the United States.

Wait, you think I'm going to attack Turkey? Egypt's nuclear program is completely defensive.

Wait, you think I'm going to attack Turkey? Egypt's nuclear program is completely defensive.

When asked if this statement was aimed at anyone in particular, State Department spokesman and White House spokesman clarify that it isn't aimed at anyone in particular, but a restatement of US policy on this matter. As one of the nations attacked by nuclear and biological weapons during the Third Great War, the US views nuclear aggression as a direct threat to its own national survival.

The Alliance Space Agency conducts 8 manned missions in 1958.. 4 Gemini flights, including 1 flight that rendevous's in space with the Agina space craft (an unmanned craft the size of the prospective manned orbital labratory). One mission, Gemni 6, has problems, and nearly suffers disaster, but stellar piloting by the flight crew restores the situation and saves the day (based on history of the real Gemini program). 4 American, 1 Russian, 1 Australasian and 1 Canadian fly these missions.

Meanwhile, 1 American, 1 South African and 2 South American astronauts fly the X15C in orbital missions, including tests flights of a two seat version that will be permanently docked to the Manned Orbital Lab as an escape craft once its completed sometime in 1961.

The UR would like to approach the US on the purchase of a unit of B52G's or whatever your best, nuclear-capable bomber is that your currently exporting (I'm not sure what is still classified at this point).

The South African Defense Ministry, desiring to supplement its older Centurion Main Battle Tanks, contacts the United States concerning the possibility of a sale of M60A1 and/or M48A5 tanks to South Africa. It is also inquired as to whether South Africa will be able to buy production rights to the M60A1 and M48A5.

The UR would like to approach the US on the purchase of a unit of B52G's or whatever your best, nuclear-capable bomber is that your currently exporting (I'm not sure what is still classified at this point).

OOC: By the way, this is super SIC (or atleast don't tell the Turks or their allies).

The South African Defense Ministry, desiring to supplement its older Centurion Main Battle Tanks, contacts the United States concerning the possibility of a sale of M60A1 and/or M48A5 tanks to South Africa. It is also inquired as to whether South Africa will be able to buy production rights to the M60A1 and M48A5.

The South African Ministry of Defense renews its request to purchase tanks from the United States.

The UR would like to approach the US on the purchase of a unit of B52G's or whatever your best, nuclear-capable bomber is that your currently exporting (I'm not sure what is still classified at this point).

The US doesn't export strategic or heavy bombers. However, the A4 Skyhawk and F105 Thunderchief are available for export (light bombers)

The South African Ministry of Defense renews its request to purchase tanks from the United States.

sale of the mentioned tanks is approved

1960
In popular culture, Rock and Roll music begins to becomes wildly popular.

The US prepares for another Presidential Election as Joe Kennedy prepares to run for a 2nd Term.

did you accept Puerto Rico and the other territories as states?

did you accept Puerto Rico and the other territories as states?

yes

Kennedy, at a speech at Edwards Space Center honoring the return of the first 2 astronauts from the Manned Orbital Labratory, pledges to put a man on the moon by the end of the decade and plans to eventually get to Mars.

In other news, the US Navy commissions its first nuclear powered aircraft carrier, and retires the veteran carrier Saratoga, and all 4 of its remaining battleships.

The US Navy also sets aside 100 older destroyers, plus the battleships Washington and South Dakota (taken out of the mothball fleet) as targets, many of which will be towed to the South Pacific for the massive naval exercise planned this year.

Ok. I'm really curious. When did America send up its MOL? Cuz I built the ESA MOL in 1960 at the latest. My national honor is at stake... Damn chemistry.

Parthini']Ok. I'm really curious. When did America send up its MOL? Cuz I built the ESA MOL in 1960 at the latest. My national honor is at stake... Damn chemistry.

1959

A Japanese Diplomatic group requests a meeting with America to return Okinawa back to Japan. Knowing that the US views Okinawa as a valuable military base, we are prepared to let you use it as a base for an indeterminate time and cost

A Japanese Diplomatic group requests a meeting with America to return Okinawa back to Japan. Knowing that the US views Okinawa as a valuable military base, we are prepared to let you use it as a base for an indeterminate time and cost

The US is willing to do that, it simply wants a long term lease for use of the airbases it constructed there. Permanent military presence will remain minimal (about 5,000 men and women, all USAF or USN personnel) plus another 5,000 in Japan itself (at Misawa AFB and Yokohoma Naval Air Station and Naval base)

Japan finds this acceptable. Should there be a lease for 50 years?

Ethiopia (with UR funding) approaches the U.S. on the purchase of fighter aircraft for the creation of the Imperial Air Force. They'd prefer something cheap but effective (although they just turned Tech 6 so they probably can't use modern aircraft). Something like one or two F100's would probably get the job done for now.

Ethiopia (with UR funding) approaches the U.S. on the purchase of fighter aircraft for the creation of the Imperial Air Force. They'd prefer something cheap but effective (although they just turned Tech 6 so they probably can't use modern aircraft). Something like one or two F100's would probably get the job done for now.

The US government suggests that a new aircraft, the Northrop F5, may be just the aircraft. Its designed as a low cost fighter bomber for nations Tech level 6 -7, and can be equipped with the latest missiles. (ooc, its equal to the Mig 21 or Mirage III basically, but is STOL capable).

The new aircraft will be available beginning 1961. The US will also provide training cadre to help train Ethopian pilots (ooc, the US will spend 2 points to buy your pilots).

The US government suggests that a new aircraft, the Northrop F5, may be just the aircraft. Its designed as a low cost fighter bomber for nations Tech level 6 -7, and can be equipped with the latest missiles. (ooc, its equal to the Mig 21 or Mirage III basically, but is STOL capable).

The new aircraft will be available beginning 1961. The US will also provide training cadre to help train Ethopian pilots (ooc, the US will spend 2 points to buy your pilots).

This will be a great help to the Imperial Air Force. The US advisors will also greatly aid the new recruits that will hopefully be the future pilots of Ethiopia.

OOC: US advisors for the Air Force would probably be best. Egypt hasn't won an air-to-air battle for as long as I've been here (of course all enemy aircraft have been Scandic and piloted by expert pilots).

The South African Navy contacts the State Department concerning the sale of a unit of F4 Phantoms to the South African Naval Service; the SANS is looking for a fighter of similar capabilities to the Airforce's Mirage III, but that is carrier-capable.

Joseph Kennedy wins a 2nd Term, decisively and soundly defeating Barry Goldwater (R-Ariz)

Kennedy Administration sends advisors to Ethiopia to help it organize an air force, and sale of F4 Phantoms to South Africa are approved.

Walter Dornberger writes another letter to his long-time friend Werner von Braun; their correspondance has been on a regular weekly basis.

The letter contains the usual attempts to bring Werner back to Germany to work for the "better" ESA, as well as questions about the family and typical reminiscing about the old days.

However, the next paragraph entails a question about the possibility of the ESA and ASF working together instead of trying to shut each other down. Dornberger says he is interested in working together some, especially on Space Planes and the supposed Moon Missions that are happening.

He bluntly puts it forward that he is tired of the damned Americans always beating him by 1 or two months at most. Germany's MOL went up in Novemember, 2 weeks after the Americans'! And who will the history books remember, he asks? Not the Germans who came from nothing. Hell, he rants, the Chinese will get more recognition even though they are nearly 5 years behind!

He then continues about the possibilities of ESA and ASF doing things, pointing out that if ASF-ESA relations get really good, perhaps that Heinlein will put a German on the first moon mission! Wouldn't that be something...

He signs it and mails it, hoping for the best. He also begins to think of ways to pitch this to the Reichstag. Fortunately the idiot CDU is out. However, the FDP has promised a large tax cut, and with the new Surface Fleet, space plans may be out...

ooc
Werner Von Braun would be an American citizen by this point

IC
the ASF and Heinlein, its director, are not opposed to working with the Germans and the ESA, after all, it fully cooperates with the British already.

Meanwhile, the ASF begins plans to begin launching missions to measure the Van Allen Belts over the Poles, which will require a launch from Southern Cross Station over the South Pole and then over the North Pole to measure radiation effects.

ooc
and also provide very valuable data on the effects of that radiation should there ever be a ICBM attack from North America against a target in the Northern Hemisphere requiring a northern launch.

Yes, Aren't we going to coordinate with you in some missions?

OOC: Well duh Werner is a citizen now. Doesn't mean he still doesn't feel some pride for Germany!

IC: The Germans remind the Americans that Germany continues to operate a well maintained and large base in the North Pole and that Germany would be willing to offer the services of the Base. Construction of a launch site is also something that interests them greatly.

"God, what a mess." The new ambassador to the US stated as he looked at the office. The replaced diplomats had gotten drunk and spread the paperwork everywhere. THough the new government was rather happy to have had only these pranks. After 30 years in power, it was a miracle that the Philippines hadn't exploded into revolution. THe new, younger government found itself in a predicament. Now to totally get organized. And that meant a discussion with the President. Well he might as well make a few phonecalls.

(Ergo D/N discussions despite you being swamped it seems.)

Russian diplomats ask for permission to purchase AD-1 Skyraider aircraft to supplement Sukhoi aircraft along Russia's Asian borders.

Nigeria seeks to purchase both transport aircraft and ground support bombers for it's fledgling airforce.

ooc
some quick responses...had a kid graduate 8th grade today, so having family over etc

IC
US approves sale of AD1 Skyraiders to Russia

US approves sale of F5 fighter bombers and C123 transports to Nigeria

Kennedy makes plans to visit the Philippines to discuss future relations and assistance

Heinlein will visit Germany and Britian in 1962 to discuss joint ESA/ASF mission to Moon

ooc
a space launch facility in the Arctic isn't practical on many levels, simply launching north will do fine

The US military goes to Defcon 2 (active forces are on alert, reserve forces receive notification to prepare for callup to active duty)

US Navy leaves port

Press is informed that this is a readiness exercise.

As part of that nuclear forces engage in a full exercise including scrambling bombers and Titan missiles are fueled (and then defueled).

The US military goes to Defcon 2 (active forces are on alert, reserve forces receive notification to prepare for callup to active duty)

US Navy leaves port

Press is informed that this is a readiness exercise.

As part of that nuclear forces engage in a full exercise including scrambling bombers and Titan missiles are fueled (and then defueled).

China notes the actions of the USA's nuclear forces with growing alarm and seriously considers doing the same for Chinese nuclear forces.

The UIP requests that both it's allies try to calm down despite the current situation.

In a city in Virginia, the man later known as Galveston Bay is born in August 1962

In a city in Virginia, the man later known as Galveston Bay is born in August 1962

OOC:

Heh- having ourselves born in E20 is a nice touch.

Alas, my family doesn't exist in E20 because Boston got nuked.

OOC: I wouldn't exist either :(

OOC: I wouldn't exist either :(

my family lived in Newport News in the 1940s, so I exist (chuckle)

(I doubt they ever bothered to nuke Beaver Falls Pennslyvania, so I am sure I can exist.)

OOC: What happened to Fidel and Che? And are there instead pictures of Trotsky or Liebknecht on teens' t-shirts?

Parthini']OOC: What happened to Fidel and Che? And are there instead pictures of Trotsky or Liebknecht on teens' t-shirts?

Fidel Castro is a pitcher in the National Baseball League, while Che is a rich ne'r do well in the FNS.

Fidel Castro is a pitcher in the National Baseball League, while Che is a rich ne'r do well in the FNS.

lol.

Ahh alternate history :)

So when are the ASF and ESA gonna do something?

Parthini']So when are the ASF and ESA gonna do something?

bump

Parthini']bump

ooc
my posting is limited to evenings now, as Jolt keeps activating my anti virus software at work.

So not much from me until the weekend.. a joint mission to the Moon looks like a good idea though

ooc
my posting is limited to evenings now, as Jolt keeps activating my anti virus software at work.

So not much from me until the weekend.. a joint mission to the Moon looks like a good idea though

Meh, that's it? No cooperation between ESA and ASF MOLs? Like help in resupplying them *cough*?

(The German one will politely refrain from taking in any assistance. I don't even let ESA 'nauts go up there... I do... stuff there....)

Parthini']Meh, that's it? No cooperation between ESA and ASF MOLs? Like help in resupplying them *cough*?

(The German one will politely refrain from taking in any assistance. I don't even let ESA 'nauts go up there... I do... stuff there....)

thats doable actually...

thats doable actually...

Phew! I hear my Astronauts get kinda jealous when they hear the Americans resupply their people three times what Germany gets...

So, the Great America wouldn't mind bestowing, say 27 points to the SSASP program?

And maybe we should mix up our crews a little, like have an American and Latin American in the European MOLs and a German and Frenchman in the American MOLs or something.

Parthini']Phew! I hear my Astronauts get kinda jealous when they hear the Americans resupply their people three times what Germany gets...

So, the Great America wouldn't mind bestowing, say 27 points to the SSASP program?

And maybe we should mix up our crews a little, like have an American and Latin American in the European MOLs and a German and Frenchman in the American MOLs or something.

when I am feeling better, and have some time this weekend, I will make a proposal on space efforts

Do you have time for a Filipino envoy?

The FNS would like to offer wargames with the US involving the majority of the US interncontinental bomber fleet and South American bomber fleet being stationed in both Morocco and Hawaii. They are to assemble over these areas providing the amount of time that they would have been detected at. It is the US and FNS job to prevent the bombers from delivering the cargos. South American B70's, Tu-95's, A12's, and Me-121's (F4's) would be involved along with possible OA anti-aircraft naval vessels.

ooc
thats it for me today, having some pain problems and meds are kicking in. Maybe later today

OOh that sucks. Hope the pain ends.

US passes the Clean Water and Air Act, and the Environmental Protection Agency is created.

Kennedy also proposes a mammoth budget for 1963, including a serious budget deficit.

The Republicans agree have senior leaders in Congress meet with the head of the CIA and NSA.

A large chunk of the proposed budget will be to prepare US industry to handle the effects of nuclear war should one occur. As well as retrofitting many plants for better pollution control (technology gained from British)

the US military closes its bases in Japan in 1962, and the US pulls out of the US/Japan mutual defense treaty

In addition, consideration is made to closing US bases in the Philippines

Sharp and severe limits are placed on immigration from SCT nations

The Japanese protest the immigration limitations on SCT nations and say they will do the same thing if the U.S continues with the course.
However, we thank the United States for closing their bases in Japan.

OOC: I'm guessing immigration wouldn't be very horrible because of better economies in SCT nations

The Japanese protest the immigration limitations on SCT nations and say they will do the same thing if the U.S continues with the course.
However, we thank the United States for closing their bases in Japan.

OOC: I'm guessing immigration wouldn't be very horrible because of better economies in SCT nations

ooc
that would be my guess too. Actually, immigration in general in this timeline shouldn't be too bad. Most places that have large populations have decent economies, all of Latin America is developed, most of Africa etc

that also means that later in the century a lot of Europe will have population declines (few immigrants, declining birth rates)

Sharp and severe limits are placed on immigration from SCT nations

The Kim Government protests this, and following Japan's course, says it will place its own immigration and economic restrictions on the US if it continues.

OOC: Say, wouldn't that also mean lower population rates for most countries? After all, we are industrializing sooner.

The Kim Government protests this, and following Japan's course, says it will place its own immigration and economic restrictions on the US if it continues.

OOC: Say, wouldn't that also mean lower population rates for most countries? After all, we are industrializing sooner.

yes it will most definitely, especially in Latin America, China and Africa

The Kim Government protests this, and following Japan's course, says it will place its own immigration and economic restrictions on the US if it continues.

OOC: Say, wouldn't that also mean lower population rates for most countries? After all, we are industrializing sooner.

Yea, I think my population will lower sooner rather than later, but it's kind of hard top theorize as to how much you lose and whatnot

yes it will most definitely, especially in Latin America, China and Africa

OOC: True. Koreans I know will probably have less kids, what with the rise of labor-saving devices, and contraceptives (which I never quite RPed were banned or allowed in Korea, I'm going to assume they're in a legal gray area that allows for them to exist though not without complaints from religious leaders, Christian and Buddhist).

figure Japan at its historical rate (as its population levelled off on the same time frame in RL as it has in this RP). Korea would level off the same as South Koreas, but at least 2 decades sooner (so no famines in North Korea, which is nice)

China would level off nearly 30 years sooner, as would Latin America and Africa.

US, European rates remain unchanged, except lose a percentage point to less immigration beginning 1970.

Russian, Eastern Europeans unchanged.

This is a major departure, and I will need to start figuring out details pretty soon (hope to have that available by 1966 turn in time for 1970 census)

OOC:

I figure China gains 50 million people every 10 years from this point onwards.

1970 = 700 million.
1980 = 750 million.
1990 = 800 million.

And so on. As the decades pass by, the overall population growth percent decreases (50 million out of 700 million is a larger population growth than 50 million out of 1 billion).

OOC:

I figure China gains 50 million people every 10 years from this point onwards.

1970 = 700 million.
1980 = 750 million.
1990 = 800 million.

And so on. As the decades pass by, the overall population growth percent decreases (50 million out of 700 million is a larger population growth than 50 million out of 1 billion).

I still need to research it, so when I do, I will post something in the economic thread

1963
Congress passes a mammoth budget, principally because of lingering fears caused by the Siberian Crisis, continued concerns regarding the SCT, and new problems in the Middle East

Just checking that the ESA contribution to the ASF hasn't gone unoticed:

From German government for space program: 24 points
From French government for space program: 12 points
From British government for space program: 48 points
2 points each from Belgium, Netherlands and Luxembourg.
12 points from Albania-Kosovo.

TOTAL: 102 points

It's a fair amount to put into the program.

The UIP asks one simple question, what is the point of the immigration laws limiting immigration to the United States. It has been shown that due to the new economic boom the UIP immigration to the USA has been barely a trickle since 1962 (Which is would be with the basically industrial boom that's been created.) Either way it doesn't concern us.

One other request, the plumbing in the US embassy has become rather old and worn. We might recommend temporary lodging for your ambassadors while we renovate the building, unless you wish to renovate it yourself.
(Alot of the old Spanish buildings that would have been an embassy for the US would be getting rather old and need renovation at this time.)

The UIP asks one simple question, what is the point of the immigration laws limiting immigration to the United States. It has been shown that due to the new economic boom the UIP immigration to the USA has been barely a trickle since 1962 (Which is would be with the basically industrial boom that's been created.) Either way it doesn't concern us.

One other request, the plumbing in the US embassy has become rather old and worn. We might recommend temporary lodging for your ambassadors while we renovate the building, unless you wish to renovate it yourself.
(Alot of the old Spanish buildings that would have been an embassy for the US would be getting rather old and need renovation at this time.)

the Philippines is specifically exempted from the Immigration restrictions because of the provisions in the treaty granting the Philippines Independence

The US is happy with its embassy and will handle any renovations

Just checking that the ESA contribution to the ASF hasn't gone unoticed:

From German government for space program: 24 points
From French government for space program: 12 points
From British government for space program: 48 points
2 points each from Belgium, Netherlands and Luxembourg.
12 points from Albania-Kosovo.

TOTAL: 102 points

It's a fair amount to put into the program.

those funds will be used to fund satellite networks for another 200 million customers (12 points for both hemispheres), provide ESA with own spy satellite networks (6 points) and remainder used for resupply missions (12 more X20 type missions for 48 points), leaving 26 points to go into 4 manned Gemini type missions (resupply for 16 points) and 10 points for 1 more Mars Lander mission and 1 more Lunar Lander mission (looking for likely landing spots now)

ESA and ASF crews are now jointly training together and working together on missions

Alright, the UIP recognized the immunities, and will allow the US to take care of it's renovations.

how does defecit spending work? Just spend extra and pay it later?

Hey GB, on your military builds section for your 1963 budegt, it says 2 Nuclear Heavy Carriers 32 points for 2 years. I thought it was 4 years and 30 points each?

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Hey GB, on your military builds section for your 1963 budegt, it says 2 Nuclear Heavy Carriers 32 points for 2 years. I thought it was 4 years and 30 points each?

ooc
you wouldn't remember this, but in the old military thread, the US and UK can build ships twice as fast during National Effort and Wartime because they have been building warships longer then anyone else. That rule hasn't changed, it just hasn't come up in so long that since the war it hasn't been relevent. It represents pumping in extra money for overtime and the fact both of those nations have rather huge shipbuilding capability.

Japan and Germany had a similar advantage until they got out of the warship business after losing the Third Great War

I am inclined to give that advantage to Japan now as well considering it has been pumping out merchant ships for a while now. Possibly others including Scandic Union and FNS. Further research on that and answer by weekend.

how does defecit spending work? Just spend extra and pay it later?

its covered under National Effort in the economic thread. Represents deficits, and slows growth. Can only be carried out for a limited time as well before it becomes a serious drag on the economy. Not just a deficit, but a Reagan or Bush style deficit

- Snip-
OOC
USEA looks at it's merchant fleet, Burma's Merchant fleet and it's own growing navy before jumping up and down.

OOC
USEA looks at it's merchant fleet, Burma's Merchant fleet and it's own growing navy before jumping up and down.

you would also be a reasonable candidate

ooc
you wouldn't remember this, but in the old military thread, the US and UK can build ships twice as fast during National Effort and Wartime because they have been building warships longer then anyone else. That rule hasn't changed, it just hasn't come up in so long that since the war it hasn't been relevent. It represents pumping in extra money for overtime and the fact both of those nations have rather huge shipbuilding capability.

Japan and Germany had a similar advantage until they got out of the warship business after losing the Third Great War

I am inclined to give that advantage to Japan now as well considering it has been pumping out merchant ships for a while now. Possibly others including Scandic Union and FNS. Further research on that and answer by weekend.

Sweet, that would be awesome

*Points at his rather large navy which is mostly nuclear and also massive merchant marine.*

*Points at his rather large navy which is mostly nuclear and also massive merchant marine.*

FNS is being considered

Yugoslavia has just donated 20 points to the ESA/ASF for 1963.

Yugoslavia 1963

Population: 8 million
Tech level: 7
Income: 16 production points, 1 national airline=2, 1 International Airline= 2 points, 32 Shipping unit= 46 points, 1 tourisim

Spending: level 5 social services – 8 points, Energy: Industry= 1 point, Military and Commerce= 3 points, Nuclear Power Plant= 24, Electronics= 5 points(Year 4), Civil Defence= 0.8 points. ESA Research= 20 points, World Bank= 5.2.

Yugoslavia has just donated 20 points to the ESA/ASF for 1963.

5 more Mars Orbiters sent then (maybe at least one will be successful)

THe UIP wonders if the US wants to have any information on a ton of different requests of the Philippine government to cooperate in certain films about the THird World War on our islands. They seem to be rather numerous due to some strange affiliation to make WWIII stories. Just wondering if you wanted to have any say in this.

(Look at some of the WWII movies during the late 1950's and 1960's, the majority of them were filmed in the Philippines for cost effectiveness and because it's easier to work with the people than the Japanese.)

The Royal Airforce requests permission from the US Department of Defence to purchase up to 3 units of Nova Transports to supplement the C82s already in service with the RAF. The USA is most welcome to purchase any UK aircraft required by the USAAF (Harriers?).

The Royal Airforce requests permission from the US Department of Defence to purchase up to 3 units of Nova Transports to supplement the C82s already in service with the RAF. The USA is most welcome to purchase any UK aircraft required by the USAAF (Harriers?).

OOC:
The Nova (*Shudder*) is Chinese.

The Royal Airforce requests permission from the US Department of Defence to purchase up to 3 units of Nova Transports to supplement the C82s already in service with the RAF. The USA is most welcome to purchase any UK aircraft required by the USAAF (Harriers?).

the C5 is available, but the Nova is Chinese

the C5 can be air refueled however stretching the range

ooc
will be busy a lot of the weekend so posting 1964 budget now

The US Navy begins design study work on a new class of attack submarines.. the Los Angeles class (3rd generation SSN) with the first one planned for 1968

Meanwhile, Electric Boat will keep busy with nuclear refueling work and refit

The US Navy begins design study work on a new class of attack submarines.. the Los Angeles class (3rd generation SSN) with the first one planned for 1968

Meanwhile, Electric Boat will keep busy with nuclear refueling work and refit

OOC: Glad to see EB's still alive in E20 (I know people that work there in RL). A shame I have to be on the opposing team. :p

OOC: Glad to see EB's still alive in E20 (I know people that work there in RL). A shame I have to be on the opposing team. :p
Once we subjugate the Amerika's Electric Boat can be moved to Korea :p

Once we subjugate the Amerika's Electric Boat can be moved to Korea :p

ooc
fat chance, Congress would never allow it and neither would the DoD or Secret Service (the FBI being a small branch of the Secret Service after J Edger Hoover was driven out of office in scandal during the mid 1930s for spying on voting rights people during the FDR Administration)

ooc
fat chance, Congress would never allow it and neither would the DoD or Secret Service (the FBI being a small branch of the Secret Service after J Edger Hoover was driven out of office in scandal during the mid 1930s for spying on voting rights people during the FDR Administration)

The Chinese tanks parked outside when we do subjugate you, might help modify that descicion.....
:p :D

the C5 is available, but the Nova is Chinese

the C5 can be air refueled however stretching the range

OOC: My mistake, the C5 will be more than ample. You may want to edit the military thread to state the nationality. All it says is that the Nova is the same as the C5, unless i'm being really slow today (which wouldn't be unheard of!).

1964, an election year begins, with Richard Nixon looking to be the best bet for the Republicans, while Lyndon Baines Johnson jockies for position to get the Democratic nomination.

Meanwhile, hawks in the US demand the US prevent the Chinese from completing its nuclear program while the US still has superiority.

Secret contigency plans involving Yankee and Dixie station in orbit, and also involving the X20 fleet and the various space launch centers are placed on standby.

January 12, 1964
The CIA releases satellite photos of continued Chinese expansion of their nuclear forces at the rate of nearly 2 missiles and silos being completed a day. Emergency meetings occur in Washington.

January 15
Reports in the media of sharp disagreement in the government between the White House and the Senate, which is dominated by Conservative and Right Wing Democrats and Republicans. The specifics aren't known, but reports are that an open break is in progress.

January 16
The US Military is ordered to Defcon 3, and pictures of the Chinese missile build up are released to the press world wide.

January 17
The US Navy sorties, with the entire fleet going to sea. Air Defense command goes on high alert, as does elements of the US Army. US forces in the Congo are brought home in a hurried airlift.

The Vice President is killed in a car accident, and the Speaker of the House has a stroke. At least according to media reports. US Army forces in the District of Colombia go on high alert. A bomb levels the Treasury Department, including the headquarters of the US Secret Service. President Kennedy is not seen that day.

British intelligence and FNS intelligence pick up rumors of a coup attempt. Other intelligence services only determine that something odd is going on.

Message
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To: USA
From: United Mexican States

RE:Nuclear Energy

We ask for your assistance in building Mexico's first nuclear reactor. We aim to have a working light water reactor by the year 1966, and we ask for your help in constructing one. The purpose of constructing a nuclear reactor is to provide Mexico with a cleaner source of energy and allow us to free up our own petroleum for uses other than domestic.
Hugo Ramirez
Mexican Minister for Energy


OOC - How many points would this take? Would it be feasible? I should get 3% growth next year, so I think I'll have 2.5 free points to spent. Not entirely sure.

January 18
Major players
President Joseph Kennedy Jr
Senator President Pro Tem (1st in line for Presidency) Senator Strom Thurmond
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs General Curtis Lemay
Director of Alliance Space Command Admiral Robert A. Heinlein

The 3rd Infantry regiment and Marine Detachment Washington secure the Capitol and the White House Elements of the 82nd Airborne Division and 75th Ranger Regiment are airlifted into Andrews Air Force Base and Washington National Airport. All civilian air traffic entering or departing the US is grounded except for specific diplomatic flights. All civilian air traffic in the US is ordered grounded.

Reservists are recalled. A bomb destroys NBC Studios in Washington, and a number of civilians are killed. A reporter from the Washington Post and another from the New York Times are found dead in DC.

Efforts by foreign nations to reach the State Department and White House are unsuccessful.

In a stunning event, at noon on January 18, a press release is issued from the White House indicating that President Joseph Kennedy has been removed from office due to mental health reasons, and Senator Strom Thurmond has taken office as President of the United States under the Constitution.

Martial law is declared in the US, and the US military goes to full alert… Defcon 2.

MI6 shows concern at the events in the US and the Service Chiefs become very worried indeed. Britain upgrades to DEFCON 3 in line with the USA and RAF air defence and RADAR units are placed on alert. Frantic calls are made to Washington to determine what the hell is going on whilst any MI6 operatives in the USA are put onto the case.

British Metropolitan Police Special Branch and Royalty and Diplomatic Protection Department steps up security around the Roayl Family, PM and cabinet though chances of a similar coup in the Uk are considered relatively low.

In response to the anarchy in the US, Mexican border guards have been reinforced along both borders. Army intelligence has been ordered to compile a report on the events.

The FNS expresses extreme concern and warns a travel advisory to citizens traveling to the United States while it is under Martial Law.

(President Strom THurmon? pfft hehe)

The UIP watches carefully at current events.

The USEA makes a determined show at keeping all forces coventional and Nuclear at the lowest alertness levels.

Concern is shown at the increasing unrest within the US and several Eastern aid agencies offer help.

Since things have changed since my last post (made before last GB post):

The USA makes it onto the Foreign and Commonwealth travel advice lists for the first time, with the entire nation being deisgnated as a potentially dangerous area. The Embassy in Washington makes further (probably futile) attempts to contact someone with authority, stranded British citizens seeking to return home are bought tickets on British flagged merchant vessels. Britain maintains DEFCON 3 status but missiles are readied to make a retaliatory attack in case someone does something rash. British nuclear ballistics and attack subs sortie to hold position in the Northern Irish Sea.

Officially Britain states that it is maintaining usual DEFCON status and that no alerts are issued but concern is growing over trouble in the US. Any noticeable MoD movements are explained away as wargames and other exercises.

Events January 12 – 19, 1964

What really happened
In 1963 a cabal of conservative Congressmen and Senators, the Secretary of Defense, a number of corporate leaders and several members of the Joint Chiefs, including the Chairman, decide that Kennedy cannot be trusted to deal with the Chinese when he announces in a cabinet meeting that instead of launching a preemptive strike the US will instead up the ante of the arms race and work on breaking China and the SCT economically.

Kennedy’s statements that after all the Chinese are a democracy and the Chinese people can eventually be trusted to see reason are taken as dangerously naïve by the cabal. The potential that LBJ, who many consider an idiot, is likely to win the 1964 election is viewed as even more reason to act.

On January 12, Congress goes back into session and the Cabal engineers the election of Strom Thurmond as President Pro Tem of the Senate, placing him 3rd in the Presidential succession after the Vice President and Speaker of the House. Elements of the CIA, much of which has been co-opted, are given the task of eliminating the Speaker and the Vice President, while several key Army and Marine units have new commanders loyal to the Cabal placed in charge.

Policy debates continue in Washington for the next 3 days, but its just cover for the Cabal as it prepares to act. On Sunday January 15, Kennedy is at Camp David, enjoying a weekend away from the White House and talking with the Secretary of State regarding options to defuse the situation with China. The Cabal is ready to act and does, as the Marine guards, all loyal to their commander who is loyal to the Cabal, eliminate the Secret Service contingent and those Marines who fail to see their duty. At the same time, assassins kill the Speaker of the House at his home, along with his wife and family, while the Vice President is killed when his aircraft is destroyed over the Gulf of Mexico by a bomb.

Acting in Kennedy’s name, the Secretary of Defense orders the US Military to Defcon 3 and federalizes the Reserves and National Guard and calls them to active duty. Kennedy and the Secretary of State remain in custody for now and in seclusion at Camp David.

By Monday morning key advisors at the White House have discovered the death of the Speaker and Vice President, but are ordered to keep things quiet and given the cover story that it is a plot by the SCT to eliminate American leadership as they are going to launch an invasion of Siberia and the Middle East. Although a thin story, it is plausible enough for the Cabal to buy some time. Meanwhile, Marines from the Marine Barracks in DC are called in to “protect” the White House, while the US Army’s 3rd Infantry Regiment secures the Capitol and the Pentagon.

The Press begins to pick up on what is going on, and the Cabal takes action against several who are on to things. The story is unbelievable however, and because of that, valuable time is lost.

By Tuesday, January 17, the Cabal releases the story regarding the death of the Vice President and the Speaker of the House. The shock of the events prevents initial careful analysis of the cover story, and although many Americans are a bit shocked that Kennedy isn’t the one releasing the story and addressing the nation, the cover story of National Security is enough to buy some more time.

SAC is ordered to full scale readiness to launch an attack against military and leadership targets in the SCT. This does not get out into the media and is initially hidden in the events of the day. However, by Tuesday evening SCT satellites and signals intelligence are picking up very alarming information indicating that the US might very well be about to launch a massive nuclear strike. This takes some time to reach SCT leaders, but by Wednesday morning in Tokyo, Beijing, Hanoi and elsewhere in the SCT, government leaders are aware that something dangerous is happening in the United States.

The British and FNS intelligence agencies begin to pick up on what is going on and alert their governments that Kennedy might not be running things.

On Wednesday, January 18 this becomes obvious. The Press suddenly realizes that the Army and Marines are now obviously guarding the Capitol and the White House and also realizes that they have not been able to reach their reporters at Camp David since Monday morning. Some of the more astute reporters who have pieced together the whole story are then eliminated by rogue elements of the CIA. A series of bomb blasts in Washington eliminates the Treasury Department wing housing he Secret Service, throwing that organization into chaos as the Secret Service staff at the White House are arrested or eliminated by Marines and special CIA operatives. The entire White House press corps is also arrested and sequestered. A press release at noon is handed to the media (through direct means to the various networks and wire services) while another bomb destroys NBC studios just before Chet Huntley is about to break the story of a coup attempt.

The news that President Kennedy has taken ill and been replaced shocks the country, which is already confused by the events of the last few days. The media is in confusion as well as they struggle to figure out what is really going on. Several key corporate officers and newspaper owners are also quietly arrested during the day and sequestered as well.

OOC
Based on the classic Cold War novel “Seven Days in May” which is also available as a movie with Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas, and a newer version done by HBO a few years ago.

At this point, few intelligence agencies would know much more than what is reported in the news. The British, Canadians and FNS have a pretty good idea though, and to a lesser extent the SCT and Scandic intelligence agencies know enough to be really, really alarmed now.

F.I.N's first real test comes in their creation. They were sanctioned to begin at the begining of 1964. Now, a ton of young men, just starting to be recruited and not even on the government payroll and forced into service.

Their one advantage is that they are inventive young men with strange ideas that would have been obliterated with sanctioned training. Now the people of the Philippines start to offer to pay the American service men's way. With the chaos in the states, it seems that no one has come to pick up the men who have just started their training, nor has sent any money for food. The Filipino people around Subric bay allow the soldiers to take IOU's for their government to be kept in health.

At this time the new men of the service industry, many wearing their regular street clothes see what the soldiers think is going on. Seperated from their homes, it seems that the information is confused. Many of the trainees don't have a clue as to what's going on.

(I gather that the Cabal would be concerned with Japan and Mainland Asia at this moment and their own stuff. Trainee Marines in a no name little bay in the Philippines would normally pass their attention. Unless you plan to nuke me as well. Which might get you stuck in a civil war with your allies.)

January 21st, 1964
A Kennedy advisor manages to reach a friend outside of Camp David who then contacts Governor Tawles of Maryland, an a solid administration supporter, and the governor then contacts his old friend the commander of the Maryland National Guard, who also commands the 29th Infantry Division (Virginia and Maryland National Guard). General Rawford, although elderly (age 88) is a decorated hero of both the 2nd and 3rd Great Wars, and held in very high esteem throughout the US Army and throughout the National Guard and also importantly by the commander of the Maryland Air National Guard, the key defender of the District of Colombia area.

Very quickly the General begins talking to fellow National Guard commanders around the country, who begin talking to reserve commanders and some of the regulars. Word of what is going on also leaks into many NORAD commands a particularly critical element, as Admiral Heinlein wears that hat in addition to his role as commander of US Space Forces and the Alliance Space Force, and he is not part of the Cabal.

By morning, elements of the 29th Infantry have surrounded Camp David and they launch an assault. In the brief but fierce fight, the company sized Marine detachment is overwhelmed by a brigade of mechanized infantry and President Kennedy is freed.

Meanwhile, at 1500 hours (DC time), NORAD closes down the Washington DC airspace to ALL air traffic, preventing further reinforcement of the brigade of the 82nd Airborne and Rangers already in place, and suddenly the media begins to pick up at last that a civil war is about to break out.

ooc
SCT intelligence confirms that both Lemay and Thurmond are dangerously paranoid and very likely to attack the SCT without necessarily waiting for provocation. I figure that Thurmond, the old racist, would be as fiercely anti Chinese in this universe as he was historically anti communist in RL.

Alarmed at the limited infomation being recievied about the crisis in America, top USEA official denounce the people that are currently in control of America as not the rightful government and refuses to have any dealings with the USA until the rightful government is restored to power.

The Military enters a heightened state of alertness (DEFCON 2/4) and all troops deployed overseas are imediately recalled.

Communication is attempted with western nations such as the FNS, Britain and Austrialia denyining any responisbility for the violence and confusion occuring tin the USA and asks plads that if the USA launches a first strike that they do not assist it.

High ranking military officials are split up and kept in secure locations and both the Andaman and South China Sea fleets put to sea.

Will this be posted in the other thread? If so, I'll post a response there.

The UIP starts evacuating major production points with minimal parts of the population kept in service for business runs. 1st Corps is called out of training to assist in evacuation.

The UIR leadership are shocked and very frightened. Defense Level in the UIR is raised to DEFCON 2 and all forces are mobilized. regular Air Patrols begin and the first brochures and infromation is being printed to inform the population what to do in a (nuclear) war.

Alarmed at the limited infomation being recievied about the crisis in America, top USEA official denounce the people that are currently in control of America as not the rightful government and refuses to have any dealings with the USA until the rightful government is restored to power.

The Military enters a heightened state of alertness (DEFCON 2/4) and all troops deployed overseas are imediately recalled.

Communication is attempted with western nations such as the FNS, Britain and Austrialia denyining any responisbility for the violence and confusion occuring tin the USA and asks plads that if the USA launches a first strike that they do not assist it.

High ranking military officials are split up and kept in secure locations and both the Andaman and South China Sea fleets put to sea.

Australia acknowledges the claim with the diplomatic equivalent of a curt nod. This nation has no desire to go to war over such turmoil and though Australian units are ordered to a higher alert, their status is much lower than the Americans. Australian nuclear arms will not be used unless an attack on this nation is detected and every effort will be made to restrain American airwings based in Darwin.

January 21
1700 hours
Fighting breaks out in Washington DC as elements of the 29th Infantry Division move on the Pentagon and White House and are met by elements of the 82nd Airborne Division, Rangers, and Marine Detachment, Washington DC.

Several small detachments of Cabal controlled troops attack and seize the various embassies of the SCT nations, and any resistance is met with deadly force.

Meanwhile, the commander of US Forces in Australia contacts his Australian theater of operations commander and indicates he will not act unless the Australians go to war.

January 21
1700 hours
Fighting breaks out in Washington DC as elements of the 29th Infantry Division move on the Pentagon and White House and are met by elements of the 82nd Airborne Division, Rangers, and Marine Detachment, Washington DC.

Several small detachments of Cabal controlled troops attack and seize the various embassies of the SCT nations, and any resistance is met with deadly force.

Meanwhile, the commander of US Forces in Australia contacts his Australian theater of operations commander and indicates he will not act unless the Australians go to war.

United Indochinese Marines fight to the last man and and last round defending the the USEA's Embassy in Washington. After their defeat at the hands of the Cabal troops the remaining intelligence and Embassy staff surrender.

*SHIFTY EYES*
Nothing to see here. Move along.

2300 Hours January 21, 1964
Strom Thurmond and Curtis Lemay realize the jig is up. Information comes in that the commander of the 1st Brigade/82nd Airborne is in talks with General Rawford, and the PA NG, the 28th Infantry Division is on the move from the north, the 30th Carolina NG has surrounded Fort Bragg, assisted by the Green Berets and 2nd Marine Division, and the 38th Division from the Midwest was securing National Command bunkers in the Federal Relocation arc in West Virginia, western Maryland, western Virginia, along with the 3rd Armored Division from New Jersey, which was securing Federal facilities in Deleware and Pennsylvania.

Although SAC had been isolated from news, already 2 bomb wings had been contacted by National Guard authorities and were no longer answering. The time to act was now.

The codes were realeased and orders sent to SAC and the US Navy Polaris submarines.

January 21, 1964 - Indianapolis, IN
From: Agriculture Minister Caterina Romaneva
To: Governor Matthew Welsh of Indiana, the American People and the Federal Government

I am personally stunned by what has occured in Washington in the last few weeks and months. Everyone knows about the painful overthrows of the World's changing order and about being freed to become a productive nation. It is painfully clear that the events in the Washington are a true point of reflection yet this is a moment where the nation is tested and hopefully calmer and sanier heads will prevail in this nation and deliver us away from disaster.
I am sorry if I am a bit rushed, but I have to go pretty soon to a place of worship to prey and hope that my next visit to America will be much more peaceful...

China is not launching its missiles at the US- China isn't counter-attacking with nuclear weapons as we don't want the entirety of China to die.

A memorendum is sent by the Philippine Catholic CHurch to the Pope in ROme, to excommunicate the President.

The Filipino Embassy shuts down in the US, as well as reports that the UIP government has closed the two Marine bases without incident and are shipping those soldiers who do not wish FIlipino Citizienship back home.

The Russian government (hiding in the Urals) begins a long debate on the future of Russia-US relations. For the time being, all armed and/or reconnaisance military aircraft, and all combat units, are asked to return to the United States via the shortest route possible (to Alaska most likely). Diplomatic staff remain for the time being, and the defense treaty has not yet been nullified (whether we obey it, though, is a different question).

US export trade in 1963 (pre war)
Trading Partners: Canada 4, Mexico 4, UK 3, Japan 3, Russia 3, Central America, Caribbean and Iceland 3, FNS 4, China 3, Africa 3, East Asia 3, Europe 4, USAE 1, Australasia 2

The US has so far lost its trade with East Asia (9 points pre Crash) but other trade until an actual embargo occurs has not been affected.

The US reacts to the war in Europe by indicating that it will honor any commitments it has to Russia, if requested to do so by Russia.

ooc
revised US budget sometime this weekend

At this time, all US reserve forces have been mobilized and the US remains on a defensive war footing, except in the Pacific, where US forces (half the navy, a great big chunk of the Air Force, mostly transport aircraft, and a large part of the Army are either en route to China, off its coast, or on the way)

Missiles forces (which still have 400 Minuteman III missiles, plus 4 missile submarines, and all of the bombers) remain at Defcon 3. However, SAC has been dissolved, and its missile forces are under NORAD control, while the Navy has a given new orders to the submarines and the Army is garrisoning former SAC missile and bomber bases to ensure no further unauthorized strikes are launched.

A flurry of diplomatic notes and messages are sent out from Poland, the Ukraine, Scanic Union and Turkey asking America to convince Russia to attend talks in Caracas before this war engulfs all of Europe.

A flurry of diplomatic notes and messages are sent out from Poland, the Ukraine, Scanic Union and Turkey asking America to convince Russia to attend talks in Caracas before this war engulfs all of Europe.

the US forwards that information to the Russians without comment.

ooc
the Russian player isn't available to the 5th, so assume the Russians aren't listening, as he gave me orders that are essentially to that effect

IC
The US government withholds diplomatic comment, but does respond to a limited extent to press inquiries by pointing out that Russia has a military alliance with Greece and the Greeks are not the ones who attacked first.

Treason trials begin the US involving 20 Senators and 150 Congressmen. Martial law remains in effect in the Washington DC area, and National Guard troops remain in their states to provide assistance to State Governors.

Substantial criticism of the Attorney Generals action against the Legislative Branch emerges initially until members of Congress appear in the Press and support it, pointing out that members of the government are not immune from law.

ntelligence information out of the US is drying up as apparently the Americans are focusing very hard on spying and treason. Some agents just flat dissappear.

Remember, that in the RL world, agents are the people your spy services recruit, people like Ed Aames, Walker etc. Your own people who agree to work as spies in exchange for money, or out of idealogical ideas, or because they have some issue that makes them think its ok

So for example, the Scandic Union Chief of Station, the head Scandic Spy, gets reports from his people indicating that thier sources are drying up and some are even dying in 'traffic accidents'

Since the US is under martial law, Kennedy has authorized actions that haven't been taken since the US Civil War. In effect, the writ of habeaus corpus has been suspended in some situations

US army troops at Fort Bliss begin a series of desert training exercises, and US army troops at Fort Hood are shifted to the King Ranch (which is halfway between Corpus Christi and the Mexican border and even bigger then Fort Hood) and begin exercising as well.

Pointed efforts are made to ensure the Mexican government is made aware of this.

Texts of treaties between the US and various Central American nations guaranteeing their independence are published and summeries appear in the Press.

The Press notices the link between this and apparent attempts by Mexico to interfere in Central America

The Mexican Gov't would like to know why its previous request was ignored. It would also like to state that the US's position is hypocritical. How can a US treaty guarantee the sovereignty of another nation? Mexico sees the US as its best friend, and most important ally, and is bemused to see the America is adopting a threatening position after Mexico is invited to join an economic union.

ooc
what request from Mexico? I may have missed it

Message
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To: USA
From: United Mexican States

RE:Nuclear Energy

We ask for your assistance in building Mexico's first nuclear reactor. We aim to have a working light water reactor by the year 1966, and we ask for your help in constructing one. The purpose of constructing a nuclear reactor is to provide Mexico with a cleaner source of energy and allow us to free up our own petroleum for uses other than domestic.
Hugo Ramirez
Mexican Minister for Energy


OOC - How many points would this take? Would it be feasible? I should get 3% growth next year, so I think I'll have 2.5 free points to spent. Not entirely sure.
Happened just before the "Twilight War", so it was understandably missed.

ooc: I'll assume you are still checking this page GB, because I have a question. How does the American-Australian relationship stand right now? It feels a little bit like I am left out of the loop, and if that is the intention, thats fine. I just want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding something.

IC: Canberra questions Washington on the status of the Allied space program. Before the OA, Australia and the United States cooperated on missions and we are curious as to what the present status is for missions.

OOC: I know all the Astronauts in Yankee died, but how would the Americans feel if Germany "repaired" it?

ooc
I will get to US thread, but still doing everything else at the moment. US is fixing Yankee station already, and is willing to continue space cooperation with Australia and other OA nations if they desire

in late February, US troops at Fort Bliss and at the King Ranch board trains for shipment to the US West Coast and embarkation.

The US is no longer under martial law, but all military forces remain on high alert. The CDC and USAMRID begins briefing the President regarding a very likely outbreak of infectious diseases in East Asia, and no potentially in Asia Minor. Radiation will weaken the immune systems of hundreds of millions of people, particularly in the war zones.

Records of the 1924 Flu Pandamic that killed tens of millions world wide are examined closely. So are records from the end of the Third Great War. The World Health Organization (WHO) is contacted to remind it that emergency measures may have to be taken if events go as anticipated.

The US government draws up more contigency plans.

in late February, US troops at Fort Bliss and at the King Ranch board trains for shipment to the US West Coast and embarkation.

The US is no longer under martial law, but all military forces remain on high alert. The CDC and USAMRID begins briefing the President regarding a very likely outbreak of infectious diseases in East Asia, and no potentially in Asia Minor. Radiation will weaken the immune systems of hundreds of millions of people, particularly in the war zones.

Records of the 1924 Flu Pandamic that killed tens of millions world wide are examined closely. So are records from the end of the Third Great War. The World Health Organization (WHO) is contacted to remind it that emergency measures may have to be taken if events go as anticipated.

The US government draws up more contigency plans.

OOC: Does Korea know about the possibility of disease? Because we might want to talk to you if we do know.

OOC: Does Korea know about the possibility of disease? Because we might want to talk to you if we do know.

It will start to occur to the Koreans very quickly as they occupy Manchuria

Russia offers the US State department the ability to open "American interest sections" in any embassies where the American embassy is temporarily out of use or no longer present.

Russia offers the US State department the ability to open "American interest sections" in any embassies where the American embassy is temporarily out of use or no longer present.

The United States accepts that offer

March 31, 1964

President Kennedy is addressing a joint session of Congress, with the Supreme Court Justices in attendence concerning the trial and probable conviction of 30 Senators and 50 Representatives on treason charges.

The Press and many Americans have called against the trials as they have not followed due process, as the legislatures were arrested and held without being impeached. Kennedy has cited the example of Lincoln and his actions during the Civil War as precedent, but many Americans are deeply concerned.

The fact that dozens of military officers have also been arrested and are being held, and the fact the the Senate President Pro Tem (Thormund) was arrested, tried by court martial and then shipped to Ireland along with a number of the high ranking conspirators also violated the Constitution.

During all of this, some of the conspirators have managed to escape detection and they still have authority, and more importantly, they have access to nuclear weapons.

As Kennedy and practically the entire government are in Washington, and only the Secretary of Commerce, Luther Hodges is out of town, the conspirators decide to strike. A 1 kiloton missile is smuggled out of an air defense SAM site near Washington and smuggled into the Capitol

As the address is going on, at 7 PM Eastern Time, the missile detonates, and the US goverment and the Capitol building as well as a number of office buildings, the Department of Labor, HEW building, and Supreme Court buildings are levelled or seriously damaged by the blast, as is the Libary of Congress building (although not severely).

Even as the Capitol is being destroyed, a group of armed men attack and kill the Secretary of Commerce and his entire family and the Secret Service detail providing protection at his home in Eden, North Carolina.

In a short few minutes, the United States has lost its entire government. With no other choice, the senior military officer in the chain of command assumes the Presidency as the US is still under martial law and no other options exist.

On March 31, 1964, Admiral Thomas Moorer, a veteran of the Third Great War and an ace with 23 kills during that war, becomes acting President of the United States.

Mexico offers refuge to any Government members declared non corrupt by the current President, in the event their safety is no longer guaranteed.

On April 1 orders to coming out of Newport, Rhode Island, the temporary capital (and home of the Naval War College)

1. All US forces in China are recalled at once, along with the Pacific Fleet.
2. Army equipment in China instead of going home, will be shipped to Russian Pacific ports and transfered to them.
3. Army troops will be flown home or transported by ship.
4. Support for the Flying Tigers will continue for the remainder of the year, after that, all US personnel will return home. Aircraft will remain in Russia.
5. Governors are asked to appoint replacement Senators and Representatives to meet at the provisional capital of Colorado Springs to appoint a replacement President. Elections are to be held in November per the Constitution.
6. Special orders are sent to Admiral Heinlein, who is ordered to take command of all US nuclear forces.
7. Remaining regular troops are to be transferred to the Mexican border to prevent the escape of any traitorous personnel.
8. All international air traffic to and from the US is halted until further notice, and all shipping will be inspected before being allowed to leave harbor.
9. The Secret Service through the US Marshals Service is ordered to find and arrest traitors responsible for the events of the past few months.

Mexican troops have also been deployed to the border to catch any fugitives. Anyone caught fleeing the border to Mexico will be arrested and handed over to the US Army.

Nigeria sends it's deep shock and condolences at the recent events in the United States and offers any assistance it can in tracking down the criminals responsible.

Trade is resumed with the US after Nigerian units return home and the transports freed for commerce again.

The US Ambassador in Nigeria, who at this point is an emotional wreck, thanks Nigeria for its condolances.

In Washington DC, the population of the city east of the Potomic between Georgetown and the loop is evacuated... nearly 400,000 people in all. Refugees are moved to camps in northern Virginia

The death toll of the destruction of the Capitol is placed at 50,000 including radiation deaths over the next few months.

*civil war, civil war*

seriously though, I could see a divided election folowed by a civil war, whoch would be awesome, even if it was a short one

*civil war, civil war*

seriously though, I could see a divided election folowed by a civil war, whoch would be awesome, even if it was a short one

ooc
working on it, but creating the plausible story line to go with it. Robert A. Heinlein for President anyone?

ooc
working on it, but creating the plausible story line to go with it. Robert A. Heinlein for President anyone?

Heh- that'd be interesting to say the least.

Russia sends condolences, offers aid (although we can't really spare any), etc.

Russia's Washington embassy, second only to the Dublin embassy in size, was damaged and is for all intents and purposes inoperable. Thus, the Dublin ambassador is essentially the head of non-essential (ie, non war related) diplomacy for the time being.

The American ambassador to Australia is summoned for a direct meeting with Prime Minister Whitlam. The deepest condolances are expressed, and Australasia offers any possible aid that its ally may require in these dark times. Communications are attempted with Canberra's representative in DC, as the status of the embassy is unknown.

The Kim Government extends its deepest condolences to the Americans, sending their letters to the Acting President.

The South American Government contacts the Ambassador almost immediatly, and asks what the South American continent can do to help South America's greatest Ally.

The State Department, which survived, under the direction of the acting Secretary of State George Ball thanks the nations that have offered condolences.

The UIP government doesn't send anything at all, but a personel note from the Veterans of the Third Great War of the Philippines is sent to Admiral Moorer giving him condolences.

The Government of France informs the United States that their embassy in Paris can be reopened if they desire in exchange for accepting a new Frecnh representative to the US (ie: Embassy exchange) as a sign of goodwil and faith for improvement of conditions in the United States.

May 1964
The primary elections are in full swing and it becomes clear that both the Democratic and Republican parties are in tatters. Many of their leaders died at the Capitol, and although a new Congress has been selected by governors and will meet soon, the spirit of the country is for radical change. The Holocaust, as most Americans now refer to it, has become in the eyes of millions clearly the responsibility of the people of the United States, for it was Americans who carried out the atrocity and attempted to also seize power. New ideas are circulating, as well as some new heroes such as Admiral Heinlein whose firm stand had denied the coup plotters the ability to reinforce their troops on the fateful week in January. The Seven Days, as the debacle is known now as, is quickly becoming as decisive event in American History as the Civil War, Revolution and Third Great War.

Growing numbers in both parties are calling for a new constitutional convention. On top of this, some states are openly discussing secession and a break away from what they view as a corrupt system that allowed the Holocaust to occur and permanently shamed the United States for all time. A new document that would prevent the Federal Government from trying to act as an imperial power but strong enough to defend the country, a government that returned power to the people and government to local and state authorities.

A Federation instead of Federalism.

Summer comes in North America, and with it, drought. Scientists begin to worry, but the US and Canada grow so much food, and rationing is in effect, so little hunger is experienced.

But the usual huge bumper crops of wheat and so many other crops aren't going to happen this year. In the west, the area that suffered from the Dust Bowl in the 30s sees rainfall at the same low levels as that awful time, and many farms fail. Meanwhile, the Army lets 150,000 regular troops go home, the Air Force does the same, and the Navy looks at sharp cuts.

Meanwhile, both major political parties are sharply divided still, and the only consensus is that a new constitution is needed. The newly appointed Congress to is divided, but passes the bill calling for a new Constitution and appoints a President, Governor Rockerfeller of West Virginia. The only other thing that is agreed on is ending the draft and acceptance of the UN Treaty banning military ballistic missiles.

In Texas, discussion grows of refounding the Republic of Texas. In western Oregon and Washington, and northern California, discussion begins of forming a new country and that discussion expands to Hawaii, Polynesia and Alaska.

By August, as neither major party has been able to get a majority together to get a Presidential candidate, the Governors of Washington, Oregon and Hawaii meet. A meeting occurs in Salem, Oregon occurs with representatives from communities in northern California as well as the other three states and also Alaska and Polynesia meet.

A measure is placed on the ballot in all five states and in the northern counties of California calling for secession and formation of a new nation. Meanwhile, a secession ballot appears on the Texas ballot, and the New England States and counties in New York State, and New York discuss it as well as Pennsylvania.

Germany eyes the situation in the Western Hemisphere with interest. It seems to many that the land is much like how it was udner the Iron Chancellor.

Calls are made to the many German peoples living in the US to repatriate to Germany where life is more stable.

Korea decries the situation in the US, but can do nothing. Anti-American elements in the Korean government, however, see the new potential Pacific nation as a potential ally--or at least a potential new set of colonies.

Mexico sends out diplomatic envoys to the Hispanic Political groups in southern California and New Mexico.

In September North America changes forever.

Texas votes to secede in a special election, and Governor John Connally becomes President of the 2nd Republic of Texas. Congress, riven by secession setiment itself, doesn't act, and Admiral Moorer and President Rockefeller, unwilling to fight a 2nd Civil War, decide to let the voters decide in November.

They do.

Voters in the states of Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Connecticutt, Massachusetts, Maine, Rhode Island, New Hampshire and Vermont secede and form the nation of New England.

The states of Washington, Oregon, Alaska, Hawaii, and Polynesia form the nation of Columbia.

Utah declares its independence soon after.

just under 100 year after a war was fought to keep the nation united, the nations finally divides.

In late November and into December, discussions between the states and new nations continue, and finally, an agreement is reached.

The former United States will now consist of the North American Alliance.

In addition to New England, Texas, Utah, and Columbia, other nations form in the former United States.

California joins Columbia, as does Nevada.

New Mexico, Colorado, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Arizona join Texas.

The states of Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, Kentucky, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, and Deleware form Dixie.

The states of Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming form the Rocky Mountain Republic.

The remaining states, the Midwestern and northern plains states, form the nation of Great Lakes Republic.

To ensure trade continues, a unified defense of North America is maintained, and the Space Program can be continued, the North American Economic Community is formed and NORAD is retained, with all of the new nations signing on.

The United States, and the shame of the Holocaust, is left behind.

Columbia is approached by the Korean nation about a potential Embassy exchange, which would recognize the new government. Meanwhile, Kim Gu is saddened to hear of the breakup, many Korea 1st Coalition members were pro-US, but must recognize they are but a shrimp between whales, so the saying goes.

Mexico sends out diplomatic envoys to the Hispanic Political groups in southern California and New Mexico.

Both Texas and Columbia both quickly learn of Mexican meddling. Texas bluntly announces that a massive celebration of the new nations independence will be held at San Jacinto on April 21, 1966 (130th celebration of Texas beating Mexico and gaining its independence) and immediately announces that no more immigrants from Mexico will be accepted, although guest workers will be. The Alamo becomes a National Monument, as does Goliad.

An effort in California to unionize farm workers is suppressed by the government, and a large number of ringleaders, including Caeser Chavez, are arrested and deported. Round ups are carried out in both states looking for illegal immigrants and when found they are deported en masse.

Mexico is warned by Columbia that Baja would make a fine addition to the new nation. Texas is less blunt, but Mexican observers notice that a sizeable portion of the equipment left by the former US Army is now in Texan hands, and Texas has a history of bellegerence against Mexico.

The US Navy for the most part is divided up between Dixie, New England and Colombia. National Guards, including very powerful Air National Guards, still remain.

West Point and Annapolis are placed under NORAD control as war colleges, while the individual nations become responsible for officer training.

Rumblings in Canada begin. British Colombia looks at the new nation of Columbia, and notices that they have far more in common with it then with the politicians far away in Ottawa.

The former USAF Academy becomes home of the North American Space Force , the only remaining remnants of the old US military.

Why would Cali and Nevada join Columbia!?

OOC: So I take it the American MOL's are still up and running? Heinlein is still admiral of the Space Fleet? Also, how much weight do German Texans have? Not trying anything, yet.

Also, what of Puerto Rico?

IC: The German Empire somewhat reluctantly recognizes all of the new nations of the old American Union.

The question of the acquisition of AMB technology is asked of whoever has it.

Parthini']OOC: So I take it the American MOL's are still up and running? Heinlein is still admiral of the Space Fleet? Also, how much weight do German Texans have? Not trying anything, yet.

Also, what of Puerto Rico?

IC: The German Empire somewhat reluctantly recognizes all of the new nations of the old American Union.

The question of the acquisition of AMB technology is asked of whoever has it.

Puerto Rico and Cuba are in talks, as is the Dominican Republic to consider options... they are
1. Join the FNS
2. Form a Caribbean Union
3. Remain independent
4. LInk up with Dixie (low option)


Meanwhile, the voters of New York City decide to form the 5 boroughs along with Long Island into the Gotham Free City. (ooc, Gotham is an actual nickname for NYC by the way)

Meanwhile, Columbia and Texas both sharply limit immigration except from former OA nations. The Rocky Mountain Republic suspends immigration except from North America, Utah only accepts Mormons, and the Great Lakes Republic and New England are still discussing the matter, as is Dixie.

Dixie signs a military agreement with Liberia and Haiti.

The US is continuing to maintain its satellite networks and MOLs, but pure science missions are on hold, as is the Lunar program. Research work on Skylab however continues.

Puerto Rico and Cuba are in talks, as is the Dominican Republic to consider options... they are
1. Join the FNS
2. Form a Caribbean Union
3. Remain independent
4. LInk up with Dixie (low option)


Meanwhile, the voters of New York City decide to form the 5 boroughs along with Long Island into the Gotham Free City. (ooc, Gotham is an actual nickname for NYC by the way)

Meanwhile, Columbia and Texas both sharply limit immigration except from former OA nations. The Rocky Mountain Republic suspends immigration except from North America, Utah only accepts Mormons, and the Great Lakes Republic and New England are still discussing the matter, as is Dixie.

Dixie signs a military agreement with Liberia and Haiti.

OOC:

I need to make sure and be 100% clear.

Are there now 7 US nations?

1. Dixie
2. New England
3. Great Lakes Republic (My nickname for it will be "Factory USA")
4. Utah
5. Columbia
6. Rocky Mountain Republic ("Rockies" for short)
7. Gotham Free City (New York City)

Is that about right? I'm a little confused on Gotham Free City, though. Is it a par of New England USA (considering New York is part of New England USA) or is it a seperate nation?

Puerto Rico and Cuba are in talks, as is the Dominican Republic to consider options... they are



OOC: Hey now, don't screw with my Dominicans.(Dominican in real, half, mom born in Santo Domingo). But seriously, I doubt the DR would join with any other nation, though I'm not sure how things were politically in E20 as in rl things were pretty unstable, so I might just be talking out of my ass here.

OOC: Hey now, don't screw with my Dominicans.(Dominican in real, half, mom born in Santo Domingo). But seriously, I doubt the DR would join with any other nation, though I'm not sure how things were politically in E20 as in rl things were pretty unstable, so I might just be talking out of my ass here.

Domican Republic got massive US aid early and is much more stable, as is Haiti...each even has a nuclear power point and production center from US aid.

So does Cuba for that matter, and all three have rural electrification.

OOC: How willing would Texas be to further relations with Germany?

Parthini']OOC: How willing would Texas be to further relations with Germany?

Texans aren't concerned about Europe, except to the extent of it perhaps destroying itself.

ooc
figure the Americans are too busy dealing with internal affairs in 64 to worry about anything else except for the UN Nuclear Arms treaty and resolution

The Federation of South American States would be more than willing to recieve Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the Dominican Republic if their people so wish it.

The government also recognizes all seven new countries.

SIC: Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic are informed of a plan for a united Carribean nation which was to form in 1965 from British territories in the area and any interested parties. The plan was on hold due to the war but could be implemented earlier.

OOC: Basically every British carribean island territory plus Belize and maybe the US territories would have combined as one bigger nation so that it could be managed better by the economic and military game systems.

IC: Britain recognises the secession of the states into independent nations as chosen by a democratic ballot and begins to turn consulates in the new countries into full embassies and appoints new ambassadors. Canada is advised to attempt to consolidate its power over the far flung provinces in some way so that secession does not spread North (perhaps limited devolution of some states bringing the power of government closer to home for some people).

The Republic of France issues Recognitions of all members of the Northern Alliance and dispatches an envoy to each capitol to establish ties.

Japan and the UIR officially recognize all nations and establish embassies

OOC: so what nation will you take, or will you stick with Ireland?

Nigeria officially recognizes all new nations and extends offers of diplomatic contact, embassies, et. al.

OOC: GB two things. YOu forgot Georgia in your lists of states that joined Dixie. And two Puerto Rico would have an alliance with the Dominocans, but culturally they'd never make a country with them. How do I know? I'm half Puerto Rican. Culturally the Caribean countries have a grudging respect for eachother, but they don't get along enough to join together. And that's shaped by thousands of years of culture that can't be destroyed by the past 64 years. JUst a note.

In September North America changes forever.

Texas votes to secede in a special election, and Governor John Connally becomes President of the 2nd Republic of Texas. Congress, riven by secession setiment itself, doesn't act, and Admiral Moorer and President Rockefeller, unwilling to fight a 2nd Civil War, decide to let the voters decide in November.

They do.

Voters in the states of Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Connecticutt, Massachusetts, Maine, Rhode Island, New Hampshire and Vermont secede and form the nation of New England.

The states of Washington, Oregon, Alaska, Hawaii, and Polynesia form the nation of Columbia.

Utah declares its independence soon after.

just under 100 year after a war was fought to keep the nation united, the nations finally divides.

In late November and into December, discussions between the states and new nations continue, and finally, an agreement is reached.

The former United States will now consist of the North American Alliance.

In addition to New England, Texas, Utah, and Columbia, other nations form in the former United States.

California joins Columbia, as does Nevada.

New Mexico, Colorado, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Arizona join Texas.

The states of Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, Kentucky, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, and Deleware form Dixie.

The states of Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming form the Rocky Mountain Republic.

The remaining states, the Midwestern and northern plains states, form the nation of Great Lakes Republic.

To ensure trade continues, a unified defense of North America is maintained, and the Space Program can be continued, the North American Economic Community is formed and NORAD is retained, with all of the new nations signing on.

The United States, and the shame of the Holocaust, is left behind.

This is still in progress when the events in Europe occur on November 1, 1964, so at that time, the United States still exists. In fact, elections are about to occur when the Europeans start tossing around nuclear weapons, so Rockerfeller and Moorer act

OOC: GB two things. YOu forgot Georgia in your lists of states that joined Dixie. And two Puerto Rico would have an alliance with the Dominocans, but culturally they'd never make a country with them. How do I know? I'm half Puerto Rican. Culturally the Caribean countries have a grudging respect for eachother, but they don't get along enough to join together. And that's shaped by thousands of years of culture that can't be destroyed by the past 64 years. JUst a note.

Georgia was omitted intentionally, but eventually joins. Atlanta and Savannah are major influences on Georgia, and also have significant federal government presence particularly military but also the Centers for Disease Control and the Federal Reserve. They aren't eager to join the CSA or see the USA go away.

Secondly, the Caribbean Islands don't have thousands of years of culture. The Spanish and disease wiped out nearly ALL of the Carib Indians who lived there. Everyone living in the Caribbean Islands now are descendents of immigrants (by choice or by force), with only traces of Native Carib blood remaining.

Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico and Cuba do have major points in common. They share a common history of Spanish colonization, and in this timeline, they also share a common history of US massive investment and assistance that stabilized them early on in the century and they have had a much more peaceful and prosperous 20th Century then the real Caribbean islands had.

Ahem. Excuse me, but are you Puerto Rican? If so, then I will debate you equally in responce to this and how I disagree. If not, then I would recommend you listen to a person who is Puerto Rican and was raised in the culture their entire lives. Cause personally if you aren't Puerto Rican, I think a man whose mother came to this country not even speaking English might know a little more about the Caribean culture than you.

Here is my disagreement with you. FIrst off, just because the Indian populations got wiped out on the islands, does not mean their culture died. They did have children, and they passed that culture onward. A blending of cultures that was ancient and the newer spanish and black cultures melded into a larger one. So the ancient cultures and superstitions went into the Catholic mythology (Meaning sacred stories for anyone who thinks Myth means not true) and became a melding. That's why a ROman Catholic and a Puerto Rican Catholic do not believe in exactly the same things. I have Carib blood in me, and stories of my ancestors who resisted the COnquistadors still get propogated in my family. Why do you think that Spanish and Hispanic are two different races? Spanish are considered white. Hispanic are not. Therefore the culture is a blended one, but still remains distinct beyond SPain or the US. And US help can not change that. Because to put it bluntly, anti-Catholic sentiment in the United States always allows for it's Spanish speaking territories to be defunct. Also a reason why Puerto Rico hasn't become a state yet. It's culturally too different. And believe me if the US in this timeline sent large numbers of immigrants to the US, then you would have had a rebellion. That's fact.

Now for the common? Today the Cubans have a common history with the other islands. They have less help and are less stable. Ok, so stability means love and togetherness? Let me ask you. THe United States has been stable for 140 years. Do Southerners love their Northern brethern any more? Well if you are a Northerner you might think that, but believe me it's all a delusion. Yankees are still detested in the south as much as they have ever been. Believe me I live there now and we don't like them. (Raised in Puerto Rican household in the south. Weird combination) So that's my disagreement, and if you disagree with it, well then you just prove a simple point to me. Thank you and goodnight.

To point out a flaw in your logic:

The south does not actively campaign for seperation form each other and we actually get along fairly well. There's no reason for the Carriebean to not want to form a more powerful economic and military bloc.

And more to the point, GB is the mod. Stop arguing.

I can see them working closely on military, economic and other matters, but as a Dominican(With a good view on Puerto Rico as my mom was born in Santo Domingo but at 14 moved to Puerto Rico and grew up there all the way thru Med school when she came to the states) I can not see them joining together as a country.

But the south also lost two wars with the stronger North. The Civil Rights movement is the second as it can be considered a second war. (With the amount of riots and military forces sent here it might as well.) And also it's not given a choice. The Caribean has a choice to unite or not. And they also have sea seperating them. ANd thank you Safehaven. So culturally you have two people who have lived the culture disagreeing with you on a united nation.

But the south also lost two wars with the stronger North. The Civil Rights movement is the second as it can be considered a second war. (With the amount of riots and military forces sent here it might as well.) And also it's not given a choice. The Caribean has a choice to unite or not. And they also have sea seperating them.

But fine, it's not like anyone is going to listen to me. I'm wasting my time anyways. So whatever. I concede. Do whatever you want.

Not like you could've stopped it anyway. ^^

So the mod is god no matter how wrong he may be?

So the mod is god no matter how wrong he may be?

If the majority believes him to be in the wrong, he can be overridden. Besides, GB is only one of the mods (also the most prominent). Sharina is Supreme Mod. Malkyer/LesserRibena are also mods, but are currently away.

However, one person complaining doesn't hack it unless the mod in question is blatantly wrong/incredibly unrealistic.

Well then this is one of those moments.

Well then this is one of those moments.

no it isnt

FIRST
ONCE AGAIN STOP POSTING OOC STUFF IN IC THREADS

Second
If you read carefully you would have noticed the Spanish Caribbean was considering options and hadn't picked any yet. A Spanish Caribbean Federation or Confederacy is what I was giving them as an option, not unification, and it was only one of four choices.

Third
I am a Southerner, and I have no idea what you are talking about. I lived through the Civil Rights Era, in the South. We never thought we were fighting Civil War Round Two.

Fourth
You have bitched about every decision and move I have made since you joined this game. Personally, I wouldn't miss you if you left. So play and stop bitching. Other people besides you are waiting for this war to end, and they too are impatient and I am forcing things along as fast as feasable to get to a reasonably satisfying game situation where the US is not a superpower since we can't find anyone willing to play it except me, and I have too many other things I have to do in this game already.

OOC: ALright I'll put my OOC for this in the main forum then. But in relation I gave you advice and had it thrown in my face. That's not bitching.

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=437562

North America 1970 (all nations are Tech Level 8)

Columbia
Flag is this http://flagspot.net/flags/spc.html but with only 12 stars)
Capital: Olympia
(former states of CA, WA, OR, NV, AZ, HI, Polynesia, Alaska, plus former British Columbia, Yukon Territory also includes Marshal Islands, Caroline Islands, Marianas Islands, Line Islands)
Population: 30 million
Production centers: Los Angeles area 20, Bakersfield 5, Modesto 1, Stockton 5, Sacramento 5, San Francisco area 13, Fresno 5, San Diego 1, Phoenix 1, Seattle 10, Spokane 5, Portland 5, Las Vegas 1, Reno 1, Tucson 1, Honolulu 1, Anchorage 1, Tahiti 1, Vancouver 2 (total production centers: 84) Columbia produces aircraft, electronic equipment, entertainment, food, timber, missiles,
Energy resources:
Oil: CA 3, Alaska 4 (7 total) Natural Gas: CA 5, Alaska 2, (7 total)Hydroelectric: CA 1, NV 1, WA 1, BC 1, (4 total) Coal WA 1 (1 total), Nuclear CA 2, WA 2, NV 1, OR 1, BC 1 (7 total)
Other economic: Tourism 3, national airline, international airline, 10 shipping units

New England
Flag is this http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/flags/rossflag.gif
Capital: Augusta
(former New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Isle, ME, MA, NH, VT, RI, CT, NY, NJ, PA, DE)
population: 50 million
Production centers: NYC 35, Philadelphia 15, Boston 15, Pittsburgh 15, Rochester 1, Portland / Augusta 1. Halifax 1, (total production centers 83) New England remains the leading steel producer in the world, and also produces entertainment, timber, food, machine tools and electronics, and ships
Energy resources: Hydroelectric 1, Nuclear 7, Oil 1, Natural Gas 1
Other economic: tourism 5, national airline, international airline, 10 shipping units

Dixie Republic
Flag is this http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/flags/scross.gif
Capital: Atlanta
(former MD, VA, NC, SC, GA, AL, MS, FL, LA, AR, TN, KY, plus Virgin Islands (RL
American Virgin Islands)
Population: 40 million
Production centers: Baltimore 5, Newport News/Norfolk 15, Arlington 2, Miami 2, Charlotte 7, New Orleans 5, Atlanta 10, Mobile 5, Knoxville 1, Memphis 1, Nashville 1, Birmingham 5, Baton Rouge 5, Montgomery 3, Shreveport 3, Durham 2. (total 68) Dixie is a world leader in the petrochemical industry, and also produces ships, food and textiles, timber and electronics.
Energy Resources: Oil 5, Natural Gas 5, Nuclear 3, Coal 1, Hydroelectric 1
Other economic: tourism 4, national airline, international airline, 5 shipping units

Republic of Texas
Flag is this http://t-e-x-a-s.stores.yahoo.net/texsecrep18.html
Capital: Austin
(former TX, OK, NM)
population: 13 million
Production centers: Houston / Galveston 15, Dallas / Fort Worth 15, Beaumont / Port Arthur 1, San Antonio / Austin 6, El Paso 1, Oklahoma City 3, Albuquerque / Los Alamos 1, Tulsa 2, Corpus Christi 2, Lubbock / Amarillo 1, (total production centers 47)
Texas is the leading petrochemical manufacturing nation and also produces aircraft, electronics, and food.
Energy Resources: Oil 8, Natural Gas 12, Coal 1, Nuclear 1
Other economic: tourism 1, national airline, international airline, 2 shipping units

Republic of Huron
Flag is this http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/nation=new_shiron
Capital: Windsor
(former ND, SD, NB, KS, MO, IA, MN, MI, IL, IN, IA, OH, WV, plus Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Northwest Territory, Ontario)
population: 64 million
production centers: Chicago 15, Detroit 15, Indianapolis 5, Columbus 5, Milwaukee 10, Cleveland 10, Kansas City 10, Omaha 4, Minnapolis/St Paul 8, St Louis 10, Wichita 2, Lincoln 1, Akron 5, Madison 5, Fort Wayne 2, Des Moines 1, Grand Rapids 2, Toronto 5, Thunder Bay 4, Winnepeg 2, (total production centers: 181). Huron is the worlds leading producer of automobiles, trucks and military vehicles, as well as the leading exporter of grain in the world. Also produces machine tools, eletronics, food and steel in vast quantities
Energy resources: Oil Sands 5, Oil 5, Natural Gas 10, Coal 6, Ethanol 1, Nuclear 1,
Other economic: tourism 8, national airline, international airline, 5 shipping units

Quebec
Capital Montreal
(former Quebec plus St Pierre and Miqoelon Islands, which Canada took from France in 2nd Great War)
Population: 6 million
Production centers: Montreal 2 plus income of 10 points a year from St. Lawrence Seaway
Energy Resources: Hydroelectric 4, Nuclear 1
Other economic: tourism 1, national airline, international airline, 1 shipping unit

Colorado Free State
Flag is http://www.flagfocus.info/worldflags-large/flag-colorado.gif
Capital is Colorado Springs
(former CO)
Population: 2 million
Production centers: Denver 3, Colorado Springs 1, (4 total)
Energy resources: Coal 3
Other economic: tourism 1, national airline

Deseret
Capital is Salt Lake City
Flag is a yellow beehive on a blue background
(former Utah)
population: 1 million
Production centers: Salt Lake City 1
Energy resources: Coal 3
Other economic: tourism 1, national airline

Rocky Mountain Free States
Flag is this http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/flags/gadsden.gif
Capital is Cheyenne
(former WY, ID, MT)
population: 1.5 million
Production centers: Boise 3, Cheyenne 1, Helena 1
Energy Resources: Hydroelectric 1, Coal 4
Other economic: tourism 1, national airline

Newfoundland
Joins UK,
Capital St. John
population 500,000 including Labrador.
Production centers: St. John 1,
no energy resources

Puerto Rico
Capital is San Juan
population 3 million,
production centers: San Juan 2,
energy resources: 1 nuclear
other economic: tourism 1, national airline, international airline

Are the northern Canadian islands free?

Are the northern Canadian islands free?

They are part of the Northwest Territory in reality. Figure the eastern ones would be handed over to Newfoundland to administer, while the rest are in the Republic of Huron. In reality, they belong to the polar bears and Inuit.

Nunavit, the Eskimo (Inuit is correct) autonomous zone that Canada has in RL is a late development and will show up eventually as part of the Republic of Huron.

OOC - I was thinking they could become free, and...interesting storylines could develope involving Greenland and Iceland.

Here's a map so far:
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=438160

Here's a map so far:
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=438160

nice map and after thinking about, the northern islands will remain with Huron simply because Churchill on Hudson Bay is their chief link to the outside world during the summer and during the winter, well they are pretty isolated.

Biggest nations in the world by territory at this point are Russia, FNS, China, Columbia, Huron, Australasia in no particular order.

If you consider that amount of distance involved, as Columbia and Australasia control numerous island groups in the Pacific, they stretch across nearly half the earth (the Pacific is REALLY big). In just continous territory, then Russia is number one in size although the FNS is pretty close (ooc could be larger, haven't actually added up land area)

Nigeria approaches the alliance about purchasing air superiority caft to replace their aging Lightning interceptors.

Nigeria approaches the alliance about purchasing air superiority caft to replace their aging Lightning interceptors.

ooc
not until things get organized in the various new countries, which won't be until next year.

Since I still have to update the military thread, which is on the agenda for the weekend

What aircraft are you seeking?

ooc
not until things get organized in the various new countries, which won't be until next year.

Since I still have to update the military thread, which is on the agenda for the weekend

What aircraft are you seeking?

F-15 or failing that the F4 fighter-bomber.

F-15 or failing that the F4 fighter-bomber.

F4G is available

F4G is available

Excellent.

OOC: BTW, where does admiral Heinlin now resides?

New England (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492909)

OOC: BTW, where does admiral Heinlin now resides?

Colorado Free State, which is also the location of Cheyenne Mountain, which remains the HQ for NORAD and is now the the HQ for the North American Union Space Force (the only unified quasi military service for North America)

Each nation provides interceptors, airborne early warning aircraft, air defense missiles and ABM missiles (once they are built and assuming they are) for defense of North America. All other military forces are handled by the individual republics.

Space craft and space infrastructure is handled by the USF (Union Space Force) and remain at their various locations.

The Hard Years – North America 1964 – 69

In addition to the political turmoil, the effects of the nuclear strikes and the Great Depression brought substantial hardships to the nations that formerly made up the US and Canada. 1964 in particular was a hard year.

1964
US and Canada are on food rationing with normal combined food production of 378 reduced to 191 because of climatic and radiation effects. This is sufficient to feed 382 million people because of food rationing and with emergency gardens, another 38 million can be fed. US and Canada have combined population of 224 million, so the US is able to export food to feed 196 million. Food sufficient to feed 80 million was sent to China, so the remainder, sufficient to feed 60 million is sent to Russia and 56 million to the UK and Ireland.

Severe droughts and unusually harsh winters however devastate agriculture in the California Central Valley and Imperial Valley (which depend on water from snow melt), the Great Plains states, the Rocky mountain states, as well as Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba. In California, traditional vegetable and fruit crops are nearly wiped out by winter freezes and summer drought, while the lack of snow prevents winter wheat from germinating properly in the Great Plains and late spring freezes wipe out much of it, and the summer wheat and corns crops are devastated by drought. Texas and the southern plains suffer severely as well from drought and late freezes, and even the Old South, Midwest and Eastern seaboard have drought problems that reduce crop yields significantly, along with late freezes.

1965-69
The continued droughts and late freezes, although not as severe as 1964, are still sufficient to force the end of citrus growing in much of California, as well as parts of Florida. This is a boon for Australia and the South Americans. It also stimulates mass migrations of Hispanics that traditionally picked crops in Texas, Florida and California south back home or even further south to the FNS. Meanwhile, many farmers are driven off the Great Plains which reduces the population of North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Alberta and Idaho between 20-50% (depending on area). Some areas of the Great Plains become desert during this time, and severe dust storms are frequent.

The governments of Huron, Texas, the Rocky Mountain Republic and Colorado Free State are forced to put into place significant measures to replant grass, severely restrict grazing and end dry farming in areas with low rainfall even during good years. In short, a great deal of the Great Plains ends up reverting back to nature by 1969.

In Columbia and Utah, the effects of the drought end citrus farming in most areas, with only coastal California managing to retain Citrus and Wine production. The Central Valley is forced to switch over to dairy, beef, and pork production, with large amounts of fodder and cereal crop production, while the Imperial Valley, once the leading region in the world for many citrus crops, reverts to desert as the water from the Colorado River is needed for urban populations.

In New England, central and eastern Huron, Dixie, and Quebec the years are hard, but they gradually recover as the decade continues. Drought isn’t as big a problem, and the gradual return to more normal growing seasons allows food production to pick up. Florida has hard times in citrus production but gradually returns to normal, unlike the Rio Grande Valley and California Central Valley.

During this period, North American food production increases to 275. Food rationing remains in effect everywhere, as do victory gardens. This enables North America to feed 224 million of its own people, and allows North America to export food to feed 326 million. Columbia exports food to China sufficient to feed 60 million, and enough to Japan to feed 5 million. Deseret, Colorado and the Rocky Mountain Republics ship out of the West Coast and they send enough food to feed another 10 million Japanese or Chinese or Koreans. New England is able to get enough food from Huron to stave of problems. Texas and Dixie are the biggest exporters however, with Texas exporting sufficient food to Russia and Europe to feed 110 million and Dixie exporting sufficient food to Europe to feed 141 million.

Columbia
Flag is this http://flagspot.net/flags/spc.html but with only 12 stars)
Capital: Olympia
(former states of CA, WA, OR, NV, AZ, HI, Polynesia, Alaska, plus former British Columbia, Yukon Territory also includes Marshal Islands, Caroline Islands, Marianas Islands, Line Islands)
Population: 35 million
Production centers: Los Angeles area 20, Bakersfield 5, Modesto 1, Stockton 5, Sacramento 5, San Francisco area 13, Fresno 5, San Diego 1, Phoenix 1, Seattle 10, Spokane 5, Portland 5, Las Vegas 1, Reno 1, Tucson 1, Honolulu 1, Anchorage 1, Tahiti 1, Vancouver 2 (total production centers: 84) Columbia produces aircraft, electronic equipment, entertainment, food, timber, missiles,
Energy resources:
Oil: CA 3, Alaska 4 (7 total) Natural Gas: CA 5, Alaska 2, (7 total)Hydroelectric: CA 1, NV 1, WA 1, BC 1, (4 total) Coal WA 1 (1 total), Nuclear CA 2, WA 2, NV 1, OR 1, BC 1 (7 total)
Other economic: Tourism 3, national airline, international airline, 10 shipping units

Production 1965-69
Modifiers in Effect: National Effort, victory gardens, food rationing,
110 points a year
Level 4 social services for 30 million people: 15 points
Funding to NORAD/USF 20 points
Nuclear research: 6 points (NORAD spends it)
Electronics Research: 5 points
Military budget: 64
Army:
Active Forces: 1 flak brigade, 1 infantry brigade (Hawaii), 1 infantry brigade, 1 light infantry brigade, 1 flak brigade (Alaska), 1 armored brigade, 1 flak brigade, (Ft. Irwin), 1 light infantry brigade (Ft. Huachucua), 1 infantry brigade (Ft Lewis), 1 infantry brigade (Ft Ord) (all elite trained), 1 Ranger brigade (Ft Lewis)(handpicked), 2 marine light infantry brigades, 1 marine mechanized brigade (Camp Pendleton)
National Guard forces: 3 flak brigades, 3 armored brigades, 3 infantry brigades,
Navy: 5 Heavy carrier air wings, 5 CVAN (Enterprise, Mobile Bay,Philippine Sea, Omaha Beach, Bunker Hill), 2 nuclear powered heavy cruisers (Long Beach, California), 5 nuclear powered escort cruisers (Nimitz, Kidd, Spruance, Kidd, Lee), 5 destroyers, 1 transport groups, 2 escort groups (coast guard), 2 amphibious groups, 15 2nd generation SSNs (Seahorse, Narwhale, Pintado, Archerfish, Silversides, Dogfish, Kraken, Cavalla, Cachelot, Orca, Sea Lion, Pike, Porpoise, Dolphin, Marlin) plus antiaircraft cruisers San Diego, San Pedro, Los Angeles, Juneau, 10 destroyers laid up in reserve fleet.
Active Air Force: 1 P3 Orion unit, 1 F4G, 1 C141, 1 KC135, 1 helicopter gunship, 1 cargo helicopter, 1 transport helicopter, 7 elite pilots
Air National Guard 1 E3 AEW, 2 F4G, 1 B52C, 1 B52G, 1 C5A, 3 C141, 1 C123, 3 C130, 3 KC135, 3 gunship units, 3 cargo helicopter units, 3 transport helicopter units, 1 P3 Orion unit, 25 elite pilots
Purchases:
1965: extra 10 points to USF
1966: extra 10 points to USF
1967: extra 10 points to USF
1968: Columbia reaches tech level 8, research on electronics is completed and switched to cover social spending which has increased in cost by 3, cruise missile research 12 (NORAD spending) extra budget points (3) from tech level increase, 4 CVN laid up that year, plus 4 SSN, frees money for Top Gun School (NORAD spending)
1969: as above, 4 CVN laid up that year, plus 4 SSN, frees money for National Training Center (NORAD spending)


1970 Budget:
Depression finally has ended and climate has returned to normal. Columbia continues National Effort due to tensions. It has 84 production centers (248 production points)+ tourism 3 points + commerce 30+ oil 3+food 4 = 288 points + military aid from NORAD 64 points
Level 4 Social Spending: 18 points
Purchase: 200 cruise missiles (Tomahawks) with 4 each SSN (60), remainder to new B1 unit (3 each bomber plus some spares) 15.75 points
replace 18 tech level 7.5 helicopter squadrons with 18 tech level 8 helicopter squadrons 48 points
replace 8 F4G carrier squadrons with 8 F14 carrier squadrons 16 points
9 F15A squadrons 18 points (9 F4Gs squadrons into storage,)
Replace 3 B52Gs squadrons with B1 Lancer squadrons (both B52s into storage) 30 points
Replace 3 B52Cs with3 B1B squadrons 30 points
25 points for 5 tech level 8 destroyers
3 points 1 shipping unit
4 CVNs, 2 CVAs, and 2 SSNs return to active duty from being laid up 16 points
military budget: 148.25 points


1970 Military Forces
Air Force: 3 F4G squadrons, 3 C141 squadrons, 3 KC135 squadrons, 9 elite pilots, aircraft: 1.5 points, pilots 4.5 points
Air National Guard: 3 E3 AEW squadrons, 6 F4G squadrons, 3 B52C squadrons, 3 B52G squadrons, 3 C5A squadrons, 9 C141 squadrons, 3 C123 special operations squadrons, 9 C130 squadrons, 3 KC135 squadrons, 42 elite pilots, aircraft; 24.75, pilots: 21 points
Army and Marine Corps: 3 attack helicopter squadrons, 3 cargo helicopter squadrons, 3 transport helicopter squadrons, 9 elite pilots (1 each type helicopter and 3 pilots Marine Corps) aircraft: 4.5 points, pilots; 9 points
Army National Guard: 9 attack helicopter squadrons, 9 transport helicopter squadrons, 18 elite pilots aircraft: 4.5 points, pilots: 9 points
Army and Marine Corps: 1 flak brigade, 1 infantry division (Hawaii), 1 light infantry division, 1 flak brigade (Alaska), 1 armored brigade, 1 flak brigade, (Ft. Irwin), 1 mountain light infantry brigade (Ft. Huachucua), 1 infantry division (Ft Ord) (all elite trained), 1 Ranger battalion (Ft Lewis)(handpicked), 2 marine light infantry brigades, 1 marine mechanized brigade (elite, Camp Pendleton) units: 3 points, training: 4 points
Army National Guard: 3 flak brigades, 3 armored brigades, 3 infantry divisions 3 points
Coast Guard: 2 tech level 7.5 escort groups 1 point
Navy: 5 CVAN (Enterprise, Mobile Bay,Philippine Sea, Omaha Beach, Bunker Hill), 2 CV George Washington, Franklin Roosevelt (historical JFK class) (2 nuclear powered heavy cruisers (Long Beach, California), 5 nuclear powered escort cruisers (Nimitz, Kidd, Spruance, Kidd, Lee), 5 tech 8 destroyers, 1 transport groups, 2 escort groups (coast guard), 2 amphibious groups, 15 2nd generation SSNs (Seahorse, Narwhale, Pintado, Archerfish, Silversides, Dogfish, Kraken, Cavalla, Cachelot, Orca, Sea Lion, Pike, Porpoise, Dolphin, Marlin) 31 points
Reserve Fleet: antiaircraft cruisers San Diego, San Pedro, Los Angeles, Juneau, 10 destroyers laid up in reserve fleet.
Naval Aviation: 20 F4G squadrons, 5 A6 squadrons, 5 A7 squadrons, 5 S2/E2 squadrons, 5 ASW helicopter squadrons, 6 P3 squadrons, 40 elite carrier pilots, 6 elite pilots costs: pilots 23 aircraft 14.5

Total military maintenance 148.25 points

In 1971, All regular Army, Air Force and Navy forces transferred to North American Federation

New England
Flag is this http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/flags/rossflag.gif
Capital: Augusta
(former New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Isle, ME, MA, NH, VT, RI, CT, NY, NJ, PA, DE)
population: 45 million
Production centers: NYC 35, Philadelphia 15, Boston 15, Pittsburgh 15, Rochester 1, Portland / Augusta 1. Halifax 1, (total production centers 83) New England remains the leading steel producer in the world, and also produces entertainment, timber, food, machine tools and electronics, and ships
Energy resources: Hydroelectric 1, Nuclear 7, Oil 1, Natural Gas 1
Other economic: tourism 5, national airline, international airline, 10 shipping units

1965-69 Production
modifiers: victory gardens, Great Depression, national effort
domestic production 124.5+ 4.75+1=130 points
domestic food production (modified for victory gardens and rationing): 24
Imports: food for 26 million a year (in peacetime during good years imports food for 31 million a year)
Annual Spending 65-69
Level 4 social services 25 points 65-67, 30 points 68-69
Space budget: 4
Nuclear research 6
Civil Defense 5
Electronics research 5 (ends in 68, money then goes to social spending)
Military: Ground forces: Regular army: 1 handpicked Ranger light infantry brigade, 1 well trained mountain brigade, 1 well trained armored brigade, 1 well trained mechanized brigade: 2.5 points
Military: Ground forces: Reserves: 6 flak brigades, 2 infantry divisions, 2 mechanized brigades, 2 armored brigades, 3.5 points
Military Air Forces: Active Air Force: 2 F4G units, 1P3 Orion unit, 1 KC135 unit, 1 C141 unit, 1 gunship unit, 1 cargo helicopter unit, 1 transport helicopter unit, 8 elite pilots, 10 points
Military Air Forces: Air National Guard: 2 F4G units, 1 E3 AEW unit, 1 P3 Orion unit, 2 B52G units, 2 B52C units, 2 FB111 units, 1 EF111 units, 2 C130 units, 1 C5A unit, 2 attack helicopter units, 1 cargo helicopter unit, 1 transport helicopter unit, 18 elite pilots, 36.5 points
Military: Navy 4 heavy carriers (Ranger, Wasp, Hornet, Bon home Richard, historic JFK class), 4 nuclear powered escort cruisers (Callaghan, Kimmel, Decatur, Sims), 40 Knox class frigates (20 frigate units), 1 transport group, 1 amphibious group, 2 escort groups (Coast Guard), 4 heavy air wings, 8 2nd generation SSN Sturgeon, Whale, Tautog, Grayling, Pogy, Sunfish, Ray, Puffer, 25.25 points
1965 builds 7.25 points 1 international airline unit (6 points), 1.75 points (aid to Iceland)
1966 1 international airline unit (6 points), aid to Iceland
1967 budget increases by 1, aid to Iceland, 2 shipping units
1968 1 F15 unit (replace F4G), aid to Iceland
1969 1 B1 unit (replace B52G), aid to Iceland, New England agrees share tech for 3rd generation SSNs with Columbia in exchange for cruise missile technology. Huron and New England agree that New England will build Top Gun school and Huron will build National Training Center and both nations can use each others facilities.


1970 Depression ends, New England goes to national effort due to rising world tensions population: 50 million
Production centers: NYC 35, Philadelphia 15, Boston 15, Pittsburgh 15, Rochester 1, Portland / Augusta 1. Halifax 1, (total production centers 83) New England remains the leading steel producer in the world, and also produces entertainment, timber, food, machine tools and electronics, and ships
Energy resources: Hydroelectric 1, Nuclear 7, Oil 1, Natural Gas 1
Other economic: tourism 5, 1 national airline, 3 international airlines, 12 shipping units
Total production: Domestic 249 + 5 tourism + 32 commerce = 286 points
Level 4 social services 30 points
Space budget: 10
Civil Defense 5
Military budget: 132 points
1 3rd generation SSN (Los Angeles class) 10 points
12 tech 8 destroyers (historic Spruance class) 60 points
purchase 350 Tomahawk cruise missiles from Columbia 35 points (sufficient to provide each SSN with 2 cruise missiles, each cruiser with 4 cruise missiles, and equip each B1 and B2 with 2 cruise missiles and retain a reserve of 30.

1970 Military forces
Regular army: 1 handpicked Ranger light infantry brigade, 1 well trained mountain brigade, 1 well trained armored brigade, 1 well trained mechanized brigade: 2.5 points
Military: Ground forces: Reserves: 6 flak brigades (protecting NYC, Philadelphia, Boston, Halifax, Augusta/Portsmouth, Providence/New London), 2 infantry divisions, 2 mechanized brigades, 2 armored brigades, 3.5 points
Military Air Forces: Active Air Force: 3 F15A squadrons, 3 F4G squadrons, 3 P3 Orion squadrons, 3 KC135 squadrons, 3 C141 squadrons, 3 gunship squadrons, 3 cargo helicopter squadrons, 3 transport helicopter squadrons, 24 elite pilots, costs: 12 points pilots, 9.5 points aircraft
Air National Guard: 6 F4G squadrons, 3 E3 AEW squadrons, 3 P3 Orion squadrons, 3 B1 squadrons, 3 B52G squadrons, 6 B52C squadrons, 6 FB111 squadrons, 3 EF111 squadrons, 6 C130 squadrons, 3 C5A squadrons, 6 attack helicopter squadrons, 3 cargo helicopter squadrons, 3 transport helicopter squadrons, 54 elite pilots, costs 27 points pilots, 30 points aircraft
Military: Navy 4 heavy carriers (Ranger, Wasp, Hornet, Bon home Richard, (historic JFK class), 4 nuclear powered escort cruisers (Callaghan, Kimmel, Decatur, Sims), 40 Knox class frigates (20 frigate units), 1 transport group, 1 amphibious group, 2 escort groups (Coast Guard), 8 2nd generation SSN Sturgeon, Whale, Tautog, Grayling, Pogy, Sunfish, Ray, Puffer, 25.25 points
Naval aviation: 8 F4G squadrons, 4 A7 squadrons, 4 A6 squadrons, 4 E2/S2 squadrons, 4 ASW helicopter squadrons, 24 elite carrier pilots, 22 points

Total military costs: 132 points

Quebec
Capital Quebec (city )
(former Quebec plus St Pierre and Miqoelon Islands, which Canada took from France in 2nd Great War)
Population: 6 million
Production centers: Montreal 2 (EMP hardened) plus income of 10 points a year from St. Lawrence Seaway
Energy Resources: Hydroelectric 4, Nuclear 1
Other economic: tourism 1, national airline, international airline, 1 shipping unit
Food production (normal) 2. Quebec must import food. During the Twilight Years, Quebec receives food aid and purchases food from Huron, which has a sizeable surplus.

1965-69
Quebec goes to national effort so that it can stay afloat. This gives Quebec 3 points domestic production + 1.5 points commerce + 2.5 points for St. Lawrence Seaway for a total of 7 points
Level 4 social services: 3 points
Civil Defense: .5 points + .1 point from New England
Electronics research: 3 points + 2 from Huron
Military: 1 light infantry brigade, 1 escort group (coast guard) .5 points
In 1968, Quebec makes it to Tech level 8
Social Services increase in cost to 3.6 points a year
Civil Defense .4 points + .2 points from Huron
Military: 1 well trained light infantry brigade, 1 escort group (coast guard), 1 elite pilot (pilots are veterans of the Twilight War), 1 F4G (donated by Huron), 3 points Quebec has access to Huron NTC and New England Top Gun school.
1970 Quebec economy returns to normal, goes to cut spending levels to stimulate growth and is able to sell excess power to Huron and New England getting it 2 points (from Hydroelectric) + 10 for St. Lawrence Seaway+1 tourism+6 commerce+2 production= 21 points, Growth is 6%, meaning Quebec will gain 1 production center in 1971
Level 4 social services: 3.6 points
Civil defense: .6 points
Military: 3 points
Contribution to USF: 7.8 points
2 shipping units 6 points

Colorado Free State
Flag is http://www.flagfocus.info/worldflags-large/flag-colorado.gif
Capital is Colorado Springs
(former CO)
Population: 5 million
Production centers: Denver 3, Colorado Springs 1, (4 total) (EMP hardened)
Energy resources: Coal 3
Other economic: tourism 1, national airline
Food production: 4. During the Twilight years Colorado is able to export limited amounts of food
1965 Colorado is at National effort, victory gardens, food rationing Budget is 6
Level 4 social services: 1 point
Civil Defense: .2
Space budget: 3.8
Military budget: 0 (keeps one reserve militia unit representing police and demobilized soldiers)
Texas pays cost of electronics research for Colorado (5 points a year 65-67)
67- 69 budget is 6
Level 4 Social services: 1.2 points
Civil defense .2
Space budget: 4.6
Military budget 0 (as above, militia unit is for natural disasters mainly, people interested in military service join Texas or Columbia armed forces)
1970 budget
Production is at normal spending. Domestic production 8+1 tourism+2 commerce = 11 points
Level 4 social services: 1.2 points
Civil defense .2
Space budget: 9.6 points

Special note: Colorado is also home to several mercenary units, including the Flying Tigers. It is also the home of NORAD, and Colorado Springs is where the North American Economic Union meets.

Deseret
Capital is Salt Lake City
Flag is a yellow beehive on a blue background
(former Utah)
population: 1 million
Production centers: Salt Lake City 1 (EMP hardened)
Energy resources: Coal 3
Other economic: tourism 1, national airline, variable donations from Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS)
Food: 2 normally (Deseret is self sufficient in food production and exports small amounts)
Budget 65-69 national effort 1.5 + 5.1 points from LDS world wide + .75 points tourism and commerce
Level 4 social services: .5 points
Civil defense .1 points
Electronics research 5 points
Military: 1 F4G, 1 expert pilot, 1 reserve militia unit 1.75 points
In 68, Deseret reaches tech level 8, and donations from LDS are reduced to 2 and remainder are instead used by the Church for its own missions. Deseret is then able to provide 1.8 points a year to USF.
1970 Depression ends, and Deseret budget is 2 points (normal spending) + 3 points tourism and commerce + 2 points LDS support
Level 4 social services and civil defense: .7 points
Military budget: 1.75 points
Replace F4G with F14 6 points (includes 1.45 special 1 time subsidy from LDS)

Rocky Mountain Free States
Flag is this http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/flags/gadsden.gif
Capital is Cheyenne
(former WY, ID, MT)
population: 1.5 million
Production centers: Boise 3, Cheyenne 1, Helena 1 (all are EMP hardened)
Energy Resources: Hydroelectric 1, Coal 4
Other economic: tourism 1, national airline
Food production 6 (normal)
Budget: Twilight Years modifiers: national effort, victory gardens, food rationing
Production 7.5 + tourism and commerce .75
All three states had important SAC bomber and missile bases, and transfer of warheads and destruction of those missiles was considered the Rocky Mountain Free States contribution to NORAD and the USF during this period.
Level 4 social services: .75
Civil defense .15
Military: 1 armored brigade, 1 ranger brigade (both well trained during Twilight Years), 2 expert pilots, 2 F4G 4 points
Electronics research: 1.5 + 3.5 subsidy from Texas until 1967. After that, Social Services climb in cost to .9 points, civil defense is still .15, military 4 points, 1968 and 1969, 3 points a year spent to replace 1 F4G with 1 F14
1970 Depression ends and government goes to normal spending level
Budget: Production: 10 + tourism 1+ commerce 2 =13
Military budget 6
Social services and civil defense: 1.05
Space budget: 2.95 points
Upgrade training of army (1 point) making Rangers and armored brigade elite.

Special Note: The Free State Army is available for lease, as is part of its air force. Columbia allows the Free States to use its NTC and Top Gun School

Additional Special Notes:
The Rocky Mountain Free States and the Colorado Free States are the strongholds of the Libertarian Party, which dominates the governments. Both are isolationist in outlook but as both export food to the world economy, both nations keep an eye on things. Both nations also allow mercenary units to operate from their countries, as well as a host of non governmental organizations.

Puerto Rico
Capital is San Juan tech level 7.5
population 3 million,
production centers: San Juan 2,
energy resources: 1 nuclear
other economic: tourism 1, national airline, international airline
food production 2
Puerto Rico escaped the climatic and radiation effects of the Twilight Years, and its economy survived well enough at National Effort.
Production 3+ 1.25 tourism and commerce
Social Service level 4: 1.5 points
Civil defense: .3
Military: 1 escort group (coast guard), 1 light infantry brigade (well trained during Twilight Years), 1 ASW helicopter unit (Coast Guard), 2 pilots, 1 F4G unit 2 points,
Electronics Research (shared with Cuba) 1 point PR + 1 point Cuba + 3 points from Dixie
By 1968 Cuba and Puerto Rico both have reached Tech level 8 and they pool their points at 2 points a year toward funding their stake in the USF

Cuba
Population 6 million tech level 7.5
Havana 3 production centers
Budget: 6 domestic + 1 tourism+1 national airline +1 shipping unit
1 Nuclear energy (self sufficient for production, imports oil from Canada for commerce and military)
Level 4 social spending: 2 points, Civil Defense 1 point, Navy of 1 coastal patrol unit .25 points, Army with 1 well trained parachute brigade .5 points, Air Force with 1 helicopter unit, 1 well trained pilot .5 point, (4.5 points total)
Cuba has decided to dispense with a large military, and primarily the Army spends its time doing disaster relief, while the Navy is essentially just a coast guard.
during Twilight Years, Cuba had a budget of 5.5 points, and spent as above, with remaining 1 point to electronics research and then its share of USF space budget

Dominican Republic
Population: 500,000, tech level 7.5
Imports power (Haiti) and oil (Mexico)
2 production centers
Budget: 1 domestic points (cut spending) + 1 tourism +1 international airline + 1 shipping unit = 4 points
Level 4 social spending: .25 points, coast guard of 2 patrol units .5 points, 2 light infantry divisions (reserve units) .5 point, Civil defense: .12 points,

During Twilight Years, budget fell to 2 points, but Dominican Republic got by on normal spending and was able to pool its resources with Puerto Rico and Cuba to reach tech level 7.5 by 1969


Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic are all independent but have a military, trade and economic alliance between one another.

Dixie Republic
Flag is this http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/flags/scross.gif
Capital: Atlanta
(former MD, VA, NC, SC, GA, AL, MS, FL, LA, AR, TN, KY, plus Virgin Islands (RL
American Virgin Islands)
Population: 35 million
Production centers: Baltimore 5, Newport News/Norfolk 15, Arlington 2, Miami 2, Charlotte 7, New Orleans 5, Atlanta 10, Mobile 5, Knoxville 1, Memphis 1, Nashville 1, Birmingham 5, Baton Rouge 5, Montgomery 3, Shreveport 3, Durham 2. (total 68) Dixie is a world leader in the petrochemical industry, and also produces ships, food and textiles, timber and electronics.
Energy Resources: Oil 5, Natural Gas 5, Nuclear 3, Coal 1, Hydroelectric 1
Other economic: tourism 4, national airline, international airline, 5 shipping units
Food production: 76 (normal)
1965-69 The Twilight Years modifiers: national effort, food rationing, victory gardens
Domestic production 102 + oil and natural gas exports 1.5+ commerce and tourism 3.75 = 107.25+5 points for sale of food to Europe
Conservatives from the old Democratic Party form the Dixiecrat party, while liberals and moderates form the Democrat Party (ooc Republicans were almost unheard of in the South prior to Nixon years). Dire emergency is the only reason the Dixiecrats agree with the measures taken during the Twilight Years but only on the agreement that significant domestically conservative policies regarding prayer in schools and defeat of proposed affirmative action legislation and school busing. Although Separate but Equal wasn’t allowed back into public policy, a de facto policy continues at least in housing and education.
Level 4 social services 20 points
Civil defense: 4 points
Electronics research 5 points
Aid to Caribbean 3 points
Military budget: Navy

Nuclear heavy cruiser South Carolina, anti aircraft cruisers Galveston, Hampton, Biloxi, Atlanta, escort cruisers Richmond, Memphis, Pensacola, Tuscaloosa, 12 destroyers (Forrest Sherman class), 2 coastal patrol groups (Coast Guard), 1 amphibious group 1st generation SSNs Sargo, Bonefish, Triton, Halibut, Scamp, Sculpin, Shark, Snook, 1 P3 Orion unit, 1 pilot (expert)
Strong navy is kept to ensure safety of the many Dixie owned tankers and because the South remembers the blockade of the Civil War. 11.5 points
Military Budget: Active Air Force: 1 B52G unit, 1 F101B unit, 2 F4G unit, 1 F111 unit, 1 A6 unit, 1 EF111 unit, 1 E2 unit, 1 C123 Special operations wing, 9 elite pilots, 18 points
Air National Guard: 1 B52G units, 4 KC135 unit, 2 F4G units, 1 F111 unit, 1 VIP transport unit, 2 C141 units, 4 C130 units, 1 special operations transport helicopter unit, 16 elite pilots 23 points in desert storage 1 RC135 unit
Strong air force is to ensure nation is defended and as part of NORAD commitment
Army: 1 armored brigade, 1 parachute brigade, 1 marine light infantry brigade, 1 light infantry division, 1 mechanized brigade, 1 flak unit, 1 infantry division (all well trained ), 3 helicopter gunships, 3 transport helicopter units, 2 cargo helicopter units, 8 elite pilots, 17.75 points
Army National Guard: 3 infantry divisions, 6 flak unit, 1 armored corps 6 points (average trained during Twilight Years)
65 -67 No builds, and budget stays as above, 5 points a year used to fund food aid to Europe
68 - 69 Tech level 8 is reached, and 8 points become available. 1 destroyer, 1 frigate added
69 1 destroyer, 1 frigate added
1970 Depression ends. Dixie goes to national effort spending due to continued high world tensions
Domestic production 204 + Oil and natural gas sales 5 + food sales 3+ tourism and commerce 18 = 226 points
Level 4 Social Spending 24 points
Civil Defense 4 points
Military budget 97 points
Builds
RC135 activated, 1 C130 placed in desert storage
2 international airlines added 12 points
1 national airlines added 5 points
3 F14 squadrons to replace3 F101 squadrons 6 points
2 tech level 8 destroyers 10 points
1 coastal patrol group 3 points
replace 9 attack and 3 special operations helicopter squadrons with tech level 8 helicopters 36 points
29 points to NORAD budget

Dixie military 1970
Nuclear heavy cruiser South Carolina, anti aircraft cruisers Galveston, Hampton, Biloxi, Atlanta, escort cruisers Richmond, Memphis, Pensacola, Tuscaloosa, 12 destroyers (Forrest Sherman class), 2 coastal patrol groups (Coast Guard), 1 amphibious group 1st generation SSNs Sargo, Bonefish, Triton, Halibut, Scamp, Sculpin, Shark, Snook, 3
P3 Orion squadrons, 3 pilots (expert) 12 points aircraft and ships, .75 points pilots
Military Budget: Active Air Force: 3 B52G squadrons, 3 F101B squadrons, 6 F4G squadrons, 3 F111 squadrons, 3 A6 squadrons, 3 EF111 squadrons, 3 E2 squadrons, 3 C123 Special operations squadrons, 27 elite pilots, costs: 13.5 points pilots, 10.5 points aircraft
Air National Guard: 3 B52G squadrons, 12 KC135 squadrons, 6 F4G squadrons, 3 F111 squadrons, 1 VIP transport squadron, 6 C141 squadrons, 12 C130 squadrons, 3 special operations transport helicopter squadrons, 48 elite pilots costs 24 points pilots, 14.5 points aircraft
Army: 1 armored brigade, 1 parachute brigade, 1 marine light infantry brigade, 1 light infantry division, 1 mechanized brigade, 1 flak unit, 1 infantry division (all well trained ), 9 helicopter gunship squadrons, 9 transport helicopter squadrons, 6 cargo helicopter squadrons, 24 elite pilots, costs 12 points pilots, 8 points, training for ground units 1.75 points
Army National Guard: 3 infantry divisions, 6 flak unit, 1 armored corps 6 points

Military budget: 97 points

Republic of Texas
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Capital: Austin
(former TX, OK, NM)
population: 23 million
Production centers: Houston / Galveston 15, Dallas / Fort Worth 15, Beaumont / Port Arthur 1, San Antonio / Austin 6, El Paso 1, Oklahoma City 3, Albuquerque / Los Alamos 1, Tulsa 2, Corpus Christi 2, Lubbock / Amarillo 1, (total production centers 47)
Texas is the leading petrochemical manufacturing nation and also produces aircraft, electronics, and food.
Energy Resources: Oil 8, Natural Gas 12, Coal 1, Nuclear 1
Other economic: tourism 1, national airline, international airline, 2 shipping units
Food production: 76
Twilight Years economy modifiers: national effort, victory gardens, food rationing
Production: production centers: 70.5 + tourism and commerce 2 + oil and natural gas exports 4.5 + food exports 7 points = 84 points
Level 4 social services 6.5 points
Civil Defense 1.3 points
Electronics research 10 (includes Colorado’s)
Military budget:
Navy: nuclear powered heavy cruiser Texas, anti aircraft cruiser Galveston, escort cruiser Houston, 12 Knox class frigates, 1 coastal patrol group, 1 ASW carrier wing, 1 P3 unit, 1 expert pilot (provides air group for cruisers and frigates), 4 points (navy is to ensure Gulf of Mexico is safe for tankers and container ships as Texas is a major exporting nation)
Army: 1 armored corps, 1 HQ unit, 1 flak unit, 1 mechanized artillery group, (well trained) 5.75 points
Army National Guard: 1 mechanized corps, 1 armored corps, 5 flak groups, 1 infantry division, 3 light infantry brigades, 2 attack helicopter units, 2 transport helicopter units, 2 cargo helicopter units, 6 elite pilots 14 points
Air Force: 1 B58 units, 2 KC135 units, 1 F101B unit, 1 F4G, 1 F111, 1 C130, 7 elite pilots 11.25 points
Air National Guard: 1 B58 unit, 2 KC135 units, 1 F4G unit, 1 C130 unit, 5 elite pilots, 9.25 points
Space Budget: 22 points
1968 and 1969, social services budget increases by 1.3, tech research ends, allows increase in space budget by 8 points (to 30)
1970 Budget Depression ends, climate improves, Texas goes to normal spending
Domestic production 151+oil and natural gas exports 12 + tourism and commerce 10 + food exports 6 = 169 points
Level 4 social services 7.8
Civil Defense 1.3
Military budget: 72 points
6 B1 squadrons (replace B58s) 60 points
NORAD budget 27.9 points


1970 Military
Navy: nuclear powered heavy cruiser Texas, anti aircraft cruiser Galveston, escort cruiser Houston, 12 Knox class frigates, (6 tech level 7.5 frigate units) 1 coastal patrol group, 3 P3 squadrons, 3 expert pilots 5.25 points
Army: 1 armored corps, 1 HQ unit, 1 flak unit, 1 mechanized artillery group, (well trained) 5.75 points
Army National Guard: 1 mechanized corps, 1 armored corps, 5 flak groups, 1 infantry division, 3 parachute light infantry brigades, 6 attack helicopter squadrons, 6 transport helicopter squadrons, 6 cargo helicopter squadrons, 18 elite pilots 23.5 points
Air Force: 3 B58 squadrons, 6 KC135 squadrons, 3 F101B squadrons, 3 F4G squadrons, 3 F111 squadrons, 3 C130 squadrons, 21 elite pilots cost 10.5 pilots, 12 points aircraft
Air National Guard: 3 B58 squadrons, 6 KC135 squadrons, 3 F4G squadrons, 3 C130 squadrons, 15 elite pilots, aircraft cost:7.5, pilots 7.5

Military budget: 72 points

Republic of Texas
Flag is this http://t-e-x-a-s.stores.yahoo.net/texsecrep18.html
Capital: Austin
(former TX, OK, NM)
population: 13 million
Production centers: Houston / Galveston 15, Dallas / Fort Worth 15, Beaumont / Port Arthur 1, San Antonio / Austin 6, El Paso 1, Oklahoma City 3, Albuquerque / Los Alamos 1, Tulsa 2, Corpus Christi 2, Lubbock / Amarillo 1, (total production centers 47)
Texas is the leading petrochemical manufacturing nation and also produces aircraft, electronics, and food.
Energy Resources: Oil 8, Natural Gas 12, Coal 1, Nuclear 1
Other economic: tourism 1, national airline, international airline, 2 shipping units
Food production: 76
Twilight Years economy modifiers: national effort, victory gardens, food rationing
Production: production centers: 70.5 + tourism and commerce 2 + oil and natural gas exports 4.5 + food exports 7 points = 84 points
Level 4 social services 6.5 points
Civil Defense 1.3 points
Electronics research 10 (includes Colorado’s)
Military budget:
Navy: nuclear powered heavy cruiser Texas, anti aircraft cruiser Galveston, escort cruiser Houston, 12 Knox class frigates, 1 coastal patrol group, 1 ASW carrier wing, 1 P3 unit, 1 expert pilot (provides air group for cruisers and frigates), 4 points (navy is to ensure Gulf of Mexico is safe for tankers and container ships as Texas is a major exporting nation)
Army: 1 armored corps, 1 HQ unit, 1 flak unit, 1 mechanized artillery group, (well trained) 5.75 points
Army National Guard: 1 mechanized corps, 1 armored corps, 5 flak groups, 1 infantry division, 3 light infantry brigades, 2 attack helicopter units, 2 transport helicopter units, 2 cargo helicopter units, 6 elite pilots 14 points
Air Force: 1 B58 units, 2 KC135 units, 1 F101B unit, 1 F4G, 1 F111, 1 C130, 7 elite pilots 11.25 points
Air National Guard: 1 B58 unit, 2 KC135 units, 1 F4G unit, 1 C130 unit, 5 elite pilots, 9.25 points
Space Budget: 22 points
1968 and 1969, social services budget increases by 1.3, tech research ends, allows increase in space budget by 8 points (to 30)
1970 Budget Depression ends, climate improves, Texas goes to normal spending
Domestic production 94+oil and natural gas exports 12 + tourism and commerce 10 + food exports 6 = 122 points
Level 4 social services 7.8
Civil Defense 1.3
Military budget: 44.25
National Training Center 10 points
Top Gun School 10 points
1 B1 unit, 1 B1B unit (replace B58s) 20 points
1 F15 unit (replace F101s) 6 points
Space budget 22.65 points

Special notes: The Texas Army is available for mercenary service under the right conditions.

but not the navy or air force up for hire?

The Indian Embassy in Texas monitors the situation concerning the Texas Army and any mercenary service contracts that develop as best they can.

more to come on mercenary units... it will be a North American export product

Republic of Huron
Flag is this http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/...ion=new_shiron
Capital: Windsor
(former ND, SD, NB, KS, MO, IA, MN, MI, IL, IN, IA, OH, WV, plus Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Northwest Territory, Ontario)
population: 65 million
production centers: Chicago 15, Detroit 15, Indianapolis 5, Columbus 5, Milwaukee 10, Cleveland 10, Kansas City 10, Omaha 4, Minnapolis/St Paul 8, St Louis 10, Wichita 2, Lincoln 1, Akron 5, Madison 5, Fort Wayne 2, Des Moines 1, Grand Rapids 2, Toronto 5, Thunder Bay 4, Winnepeg 2, (total production centers: 181). Huron is the worlds leading producer of automobiles, trucks and military vehicles, as well as the leading exporter of grain in the world. Also produces machine tools, electronics, food and steel in vast quantities
Energy resources: Oil Sands 5, Oil 5, Natural Gas 10, Coal 6, Ethanol 1, Nuclear 1,
Other economic: tourism 6, national airline, international airline, 5 shipping units
Food production: 95 (normal years)

Production Twilight Years
The Republic of Huron remains at Wartime spending 1965, then National Effort 1966-69 and then in 1970 goes to normal peacetime spending.
Domestic production 271.5+commerce and tourism 4 + oil and natural gas exports 3.5 (none in 1965) + food exports 2 = 281 points (525 in 1965)
Level 4 social spending 32.5
Civil defense 6.5
Electronics research for Huron and Quebec 7
1965 military: 3 reserve infantry divisions, 1 reserve mechanized division, 4 reserve flak units, 2 B52G wings, 2 KC135 wings, 1 F101B wing, 1 Arrow II Wing, 2 C130 wings, 25 elite pilots 28.5 points
Navy: 10 1st generation SSNs Nautilus, Sailfish, Salmon, Seawolf, Grayback, Darter. Growler, Skate, Swordfish, Blueback, 4 1st generation SSBNs Patrick Henry, Ethan Allen, Robert E. Lee, Sam Houston, 1 P3 Orion unit, 1 elite pilot, 8.25 points

1965 builds
8 F4G fighter bombers 24 points
2 F4G Wild Weasel 6 points
upgrade 3 infantry divisions to mechanized divisions 3 points
form 6 reserve armored brigades 12 points
build 6 helicopter gunship units 12 points
form 4 flak units into 4 garrison units 8 points
form 6 more garrison units 18 points
build 10 elite pilots 60 points
build 1 E3 AEW unit 10 points
build 3 international airlines, 1 domestic airline 23 points
build 2 coastal patrol units (coast guard) 6 points
build major naval base at Moosonee, Ontario on the Hudson Bay plus rail and road connections plus Albany River canal connecting Hudson Bay to Lake Superior 100 points
(project will take 5 years)
convert 4 SSBNs to submarine transports (can carry special operations troops or act as science vessels, ships are recommissioned and renamed)(project takes 2 years) 8 points
build 2 transport, 2 cargo helicopter units 4 points
build 2 light infantry brigades 2 points
46.25 points to USF / NORAD
100 points of aid to Russia and Europe

In 1965, Huron approaches Russia concerning a trade, defense and security treaty.

Huron military forces 1966-67
Air Force: 4 F4G fighter, 1 F4G wild weasel, 1 E3 AEW, 6 elite pilots 14.5 points
Air National Guard (reserves) 4 F4G fighter, 1 F4G wild weasel, 2 B52G, 2 KC135, 2 C130, 11 elite pilots, 18 points
Navy 10 1st generation SSNs, 4 1st generation SSNC 7 points
Coast Guard: 3 coastal patrol groups (1 each Mississippi River, Great Lakes, Hudson Bay) .75 points
Army: 1 mechanized division, 1 armored brigade, 2 light infantry brigades, 1 garrison unit (Moosonee),(all troops well trained) 1 attack helicopter wing, 1 cargo helicopter wing, 1 transport helicopter wing, 3 elite pilots 6.5 points plus 5 elite pilots in training
Army Reserve: 3 mechanized divisions, 5 armored brigades, 9 garrison units (Chicago, Windsor/Detroit, Minnapolis/St Paul, Kansas City, St.Louis, Toronto, Thunder Bay, Milwaukee, Cleveland) (average trained) 5 helicopter gunship wings, 1 transport helicopter wing, 1 cargo helicopter wing, 7 elite pilots 14.25 points plus 4 elite pilots in training
Total military: 61 points

66 -69 statistics
population: 65 million
production centers: Chicago 15, Detroit 15, Indianapolis 5, Columbus 5, Milwaukee 10, Cleveland 10, Kansas City 10, Omaha 4, Minnapolis/St Paul 8, St Louis 10, Wichita 2, Lincoln 1, Akron 5, Madison 5, Fort Wayne 2, Des Moines 1, Grand Rapids 2, Toronto 5, Thunder Bay 4, Winnepeg 2, (total production centers: 181). Huron is the worlds leading producer of automobiles, trucks and military vehicles, as well as the leading exporter of grain in the world. Also produces machine tools, electronics, food and steel in vast quantities
Energy resources: Oil Sands 5, Oil 5, Natural Gas 10, Coal 6, Ethanol 1, Nuclear 1,
Other economic: tourism 6, 2 national airlines, 3 international airlines, 5 shipping units
Food production: 95 (normal years)
Domestic production 271.5+commerce and tourism 5 + oil and natural gas exports 3.5 (none in 1965) + food exports 2 = 281 points
Level 4 social spending 32.5
Civil defense 6.5
Electronics research for Huron and Quebec 7
Military 61
Space and NORAD budget 71
Aid to Russia 80 points
Aid to UN food programs 20 points
Beginning 1968, Huron is Tech level 8. Aid to Quebec ends, tech research ends, Social services go up in cost to 39 points
Space and NORAD budget goes up to 73
Aid to Russia and UN food programs continues

1970 Huron no longer dealing with Depression, food rationing ends, however international tensions cause continued national effort
population: 65 million, population growth 1.5% (.9 million annually)
production centers: Chicago 15, Detroit 15, Indianapolis 5, Columbus 5, Milwaukee 10, Cleveland 10, Kansas City 10, Omaha 4, Minnapolis/St Paul 8, St Louis 10, Wichita 2, Lincoln 1, Akron 5, Madison 5, Fort Wayne 2, Des Moines 1, Grand Rapids 2, Toronto 5, Thunder Bay 4, Winnepeg 2, (total production centers: 181, maximum at tech level 8 is 195). Huron is the worlds leading producer of automobiles, trucks and military vehicles, as well as the leading exporter of grain in the world. Also produces machine tools, electronics, food and steel in vast quantities
Energy resources: Oil Sands 5, Oil 5, Natural Gas 10, Coal 6, Ethanol 1, Nuclear 1,
Other economic: tourism 6, 2 national airlines, 3 international airlines, 5 shipping units
Special military: Northern Canal connects Lake Superior to Hudson Bay
Food production: 95 (normal years)
Domestic production 543+ commerce and tourism 26+ oil and natural gas exports 6 + food exports 3 = 578 points
1970 growth 1% (adjusted for pollution and trade pact) )
Level 4 Social Services Spending 39 points
Civil Defense 6.5 points
Military budget 79 points
Builds:
10 3rd generation SSN (historic Los Angeles class) submarines (from New England) 100 points
6 B1 Lancer bomber squadrons 60 points
4 3rd generation SSNC (historic Ohio class modified for special operations and science missions)(from New England) 40 points
51 tech level 8 helicopter units (31 attack, 10 cargo, 10 transport) 153 points
Space and NORAD budget 46.5 points
Aid to NORAD for aid to Columbia 64 points
All but 4 of the 1st Generation SSNs will be scrapped. Those 4 will be retained for training.

1970 Military forces
Air Force:12 F4G squadrons, 3 F4G wild weasel squadrons, 3 E3 AEW squadrons, 18 elite pilots cost of aircraft: 10.5 points cost of pilots: 9 points
Air National Guard (reserves) 12 F4G fighter squadrons, 3 F4G wild weasel squadrons, 6 B52G squadrons, 6 KC135 squadrons, 6 C130 squadrons 33 elite pilots, cost of aircraft: 15.5 points cost of pilots 16.5 points
Navy 10 1st generation SSNs, 4 1st generation SSNC 7 points
Coast Guard: 3 coastal patrol groups (1 each Mississippi River, Great Lakes, Hudson Bay) .75 points
Army: 1 mechanized division, 1 armored brigade, 2 parachute infantry brigades, 1 garrison unit (Moosonee),(all troops well trained) 1 attack helicopter wing, 1 cargo helicopter wing, 1 transport helicopter wing, 3 elite pilots plus 5 elite pilots in training cost of units: 3.25 points cost of pilots 1.5 points cost of ground training 1.25 points
Army Reserve: 3 mechanized divisions, 5 armored brigades, 9 garrison units (Chicago, Windsor/Detroit, Minnapolis/St Paul, Kansas City, St.Louis, Toronto, Thunder Bay, Milwaukee, Cleveland) (average trained) 5 helicopter gunship wings, 1 transport helicopter wing, 1 cargo helicopter wing, cost of units: 6.5 points
21 elite pilots plus 12 elite pilots in training 10.5 points

military budget: 79 points

In 1971 the Navy, Air Force and regular Army transferred to Federation control