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The US, Australia, FNS, UK, Mexico and Canada after over a year of secret talks decide to replace the essentially defunct LTA and informal alliances that exist with a formal treaty structure.

The new alliance, the Oceanic Alliance, is given that name as all of initial treaty signers either border directly or have territories in the Pacific Ocean area. A few scholars note that the same name appeared in the science fiction book 1984 written by George Orwell (of a world where the Socialists managed a tie in the Third Great War).

The US and Australia sign the treaty and it is quickly ratified in the US Senate.

The first step is to rename NASA and merge NASA and US Air Force space programs into the new organization, the Alliance Space Force, which is a quasi military organization tasked with the mission of space exploration. Personnel from the US, Canada, Australasia, the FNS, Mexico and as guests, South Africa will man the agency (ooc South African personnel in mainly token strength except for tracking stations in Africa and a few astronauts).

Other missions will be added later. (and are not discussed publically)

War is Peace

Freedom is Slavery

Ignorance is Strength


(sorry, we're reading that right now)

If only you would have left the Union around we could have had 1984... *sigh*

IC: Much debate is held in the Reichstag at the announcement of the new "Oceania", its true purpose, and the future that lies ahead.

To many, it explains why Britain so easily rejected the treaty. Debating is held over what to do with many looking towards Eurasia and even the SCT to counter this conglomerate. Many, especially among the CDU, consider the others to be radicals who are making too big of a deal of the situation. However, several ex-Communists begin demonstrations in Berlin holding signs that say "We Told You So."

Foreign Minister Adenauer and Chancellor Schuschnigg, however, are quick to applaud the unity of nations in these days.

OOC: well we've got Eastasia and oceania, all we need is Eurasia

OOC: We had it, (the Pact) but someone just HAD to go starting a nuclear war....

Parthini']OOC: We had it, (the Pact) but someone just HAD to go starting a nuclear war....

ooc: I was always amused that the shooting started b/c of an accident with a mine...

ooc. Nice! An Orwellian world :D I just finished a report about Orwell, 1984 and Animal Farm, so...

another nice quote:

2+2=5, at least, if the party tells you it's 5 ;)

The British House of Commons passes the new bill with ease and it makes its way through the Lords without a murmer of discontent. The government states that it would have liked to participate in allied space programs but all of its space concerns are currently with the ESA.

In Washington, at a news conference, along with several Sunday morning public affairs shows like Meet that Press, the Capetown Conference comes up.

The various members of the Administration all point out that Brazil for example is allied with the US under the Pan American Treaty, while South Africa is allied to the UK under the Commonwealth of Nations treaty.

Since the US and Britian are now allied with each other, then all of the Commonwealth nations are de facto allied with the US, and all of the Western Hemisphere nations are allied with the Commonwealth of Nations.

As the US also has treaties with Russia and Japan regarding defense, trade and friendship, then those nations too are all allied together.

Then of course the UK is allied with the EEC economically, while the US has a longstanding treaty of friendship with all of the various nations of Asia (except for Pakistan of course). Not to mention treaties with Egypt, Ethopia, Liberia, and other various African nations.

The only change was the reformalizing of the 50 year alliance and partnership between the US and the UK, and the US and Australasia.

China releases the following statement in response to the US press conference.

"Are we not following the same entangling alliances that caused the previous world wars on such a large scale?

Suppose, keep in mind this is a hypothetical situation, a war does break out. Then these alliances will create a situation just as bad, if not worse than the previous three world wars.

For instance, suppose Brazil decides to go to war aganist an African nation for whatever reason such as terrorist attacks or episonage incidents or the like. Brazil is allied to the US and by extension the OA, and the African nation is allied to the UK who is a member of the OA and former LTA and the benefactor of the Commonwealth of Nations.

What then?

Or if a nation attacks or invades Japan, who is a SCT member, but is also allied to the US which means Japan is indirectly allied to the OA? What will happen then?"

Various articles and interviews reply to the Chinese concerns in simple terms...

"Thats what the UN is supposed to prevent."

Additional commentary points out that these are defensive alliances, and are not binding if a nation that is a member of one committs aggression. The UN Charter also provides powerful diplomatic force in that regard as well.

Several German reporters ask, "Why is an alliance needed if the UN already provides it?"

Several German newspapers begin flooding with editorials protesting the apparent Neo-Imperialism that America is showing.

Many others continue to bash the United Kingdom on her rejection of the Treaty of Daresalaam, and the immediate acceptance of the Oceanic Treaty.

1959

Kennedy announces a 5 year moratorium on US atmospheric nuclear testing and urges other OA nations to follow suit.

In addition, the Alliance Pacific Command urges a massive series of wargames in the South Pacific area (the Coral Sea, Solomons Sea, Solomon Islands, Papau and Northeast Australia)

Japan applauds the American decision, and sees it as a first step toward nuclear disarmament

ooc. Nice! An Orwellian world :D I just finished a report about Orwell, 1984 and Animal Farm, so...

another nice quote:

2+2=5, at least, if the party tells you it's 5 ;)

I'm afraid my knowledge of Orwell isn't quite up to scratch, so if you'll indulge me, where exactly does he use the smiley ;) ? Considering, of course, that smileys didn't even come into existence until a good fifty or sixty years after his time, that's a quite extraordinary piece of work from him there, it really is.

I'm afraid my knowledge of Orwell isn't quite up to scratch, so if you'll indulge me, where exactly does he use the smiley ;) ? Considering, of course, that smileys didn't even come into existence until a good fifty or sixty years after his time, that's a quite extraordinary piece of work from him there, it really is.

ooc
closed role play gentlemen, please don't make off topic comments

Kennedy announces a 5 year moratorium on US atmospheric nuclear testing and urges other OA nations to follow suit.

In addition, the Alliance Pacific Command urges a massive series of wargames in the South Pacific area (the Coral Sea, Solomons Sea, Solomon Islands, Papau and Northeast Australia)

Britain would gladly cease atmospheric testing if the USA or Australia will allow underground testing of weapons in their territory.

Britain is in favour of the wargames and hopes that several battlegroups from the UK could attend alongside Army and RAF detachments. Though the treasury does add that money may well be tight next year with a Frigate and Destroyer renewal program being started, but that funds would gladly be requisitioned for increased training for the troops.

See Australian Thread for long drawn out response to Wargames in the Pacific. Short version is we are very interested.

A directive is easily passed in Canberra banning atmospheric testing, mostly because Australia did not actually participate in any said testing. The government remains quite silent on the issue of inviting underground tests in the Outback.

Britain notes that the large amount of obsolete destroyers, subs etc. left after recent modernisation by all nations would do good service as targets for the forthcoming wargames. Britain will be replacing all of her destroyers and corvettes next year as well as the older nuclear subs (though not a good idea to use these as target practice...) and would like to put them to good use instead of slowly rusting in Portsmouth. The wrecks could then be sunk and left as artificial coral reefs to promote marine life in the area, particularly to replace any coral that may be damaged in the wargames (and hence appeasing anybody concerned about environmental damage). Other nations may well volunteer their vessels as well...

ooc
I will work up suggested forces sometime this weekend. Old ships as targets is a good idea.

Alliance military and space affairs 1960
The US authorizes British use of the Nevada Underground Nuclear Test facility.

The US Army prepositions 2 armored divisions worth of vehicles and equipment in Australia.

Plans for the massive naval exercise planned in the South Pacific continues.

Alliance Space Force spending and plans 1960

The US wants the Oceanic Alliance to get to the Moon.

US funded dedicated research
Apollo Program (12 out of 48 spent) 6 points
Very Heavy Lift Rockets (Saturn VB series plus previous British research 12 out of 48 points) 6 points (Moon landing scheduled for 1965)

Alliance Space Force (part 3)

Space Launches
US covers entire Alliance Space Budget this year
Second Manned Orbital Lab launch 20 points (Dixie Station)(will orbit 35th Southern Parallel)
2 Gemini missions (crew service missions to Yankee and Dixie Stations) 16 points
12 X20 Dynasoar missions (crew exchange and resupply missions for MLO) 48 points
1 unmanned Lunar Lander mission 4 points
2 unmanned Lunar orbiter missions 2 points
Improved Communications satellite network maintenance 36 points (covers US, Brazil, Canada, Australasia, FNS, and South Africa)
Spy satellite maintenance 6 points
Early Warning satellite maintenance 6 points

Current Space Assets:
Manned Orbital Lab (Yankee Station) orbiting Northern Hemisphere along 35th Parellel
X20 and X15C orbiters, Titan II launch vehicles with Gemini supply craft. Improved Commucations satellites, improved Spy satellites, early warning and science satellites. (real time capability). Unmanned space capability to Luna, Mars and Venus (landers and orbiters)

Early development stage: Very heavy rockets (Saturn VB), Apollo Program (manned lunar missions)

US has 2nd Generation liquid fuel ICBMs, 2nd Generation solid rocket ICBMs, MIRV technology

after review, the addition of FNS spending (18 points) and Canadian spending (12 points) allows the Alliance to fund 6 unmanned Lunar Lander missions to survey various potential landing spots.

Operation Southern Cross

Oceanic Alliance Naval and Military Maneuvers in the South Pacific

A two part operation, the maneuvers involved much of the Australian military, and huge portions of the US and British militaries, as well as the FNS navy.

Phase 1 (May 1960)
A naval battle between the invading and defending air and naval forces in the Coral Sea and Solomon Sea.

Blue Forces (attacking force)
US 3rd Fleet with carriers Ranger, Wasp, Abraham Lincoln, Enterprise, heavy cruiser Long Beach, anti aircraft cruisers San Diego, San Antonio, San Pedro, Duluth, Escort cruisers Concord, Richmond, Memphis, Chester, 8 Forrest Sherman class DDG, 8 Knox class FFG, 4 replenishment ships, 2 F8U Crusader fighter units, 2 A4 Skyhawk light bomber units, 1 S2 Tracker ASW light bomber, plus ASW and ECM support and AWACs support.

Alliance 7th Fleet
Helicopter carriers Lake Champlain, America, Oriskany, Intrepid, plus 2 amphibious groups carrying the 1st and 2nd Marine Divisions (4 marine light infantry, 2 marine mechanized infantry brigades)
Assorted escorts (to be determined based on what RN provides)
Royal Navy and Royal Marine forces (to be determined)

Scouting force 10 USN nuclear attack submarines

FNS 2nd Tactical Air Force (forces to be determined) to be based out of New Hebrides and New Caledonia

Red forces (defending force)
USAF 13th Air Force with 35th Fighter Wing (Arrow) 18th Fighter Wing (F4C) 8th Fighter Wing (F4C) 33rd Fighter Bomber Wing (F105) 192nd Air Refueling Wing (KC135) 2nd, 89th, 93rd and 95th Bomb Wings (B52Ds and tankers, B52s armed with Hound Dog missiles and trained in Maritime Strike dutieis)

RAAF forces (to be determined)
RAN forces (to be determined)
FNS Navy (to be determined)

Goal: Full scale wargame to between naval and air forces as no large battle has been fought since the Third Great War.

Phase II (September 1960)
Land and Air campaign simulating the invasion of northern and western Australia.

Red (aggressor) forces
3rd Fleet units to land US 1st and 2nd Marine Divisions, plus Royal Marine units as assigned (organized into 1st and 2nd MEF). In addition to forces afloat, the following forces will be sent by sea to arrive at Perth and then simulate being the second echelon forces for the invasion:
US Army 11th Air Assault Division. 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment, 75th Ranger Regiment
Canadian 1st Mechanized Division
(recommended) British 1st Armored Division
2 FNS Mechanized Divisions

The US Army and Air Force will also conduct a mass airdrop of the 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions, with their helicopters being brought in by sea (aboard the carriers of the 3rd Fleet). The Rangers will also be paradropped to conduct various commando type missions.

This will give the invading forces 5 air mobile divisions, 4 heavy mechanized divisions, 2 heavy mechanized brigades, and 2 light mechanized brigades plus assorted support units (roughly 600,000 troops in all).

Blue (defending) forces
Australian Army forces as assigned
US 1st Armored Division, 2nd Armored Division, 1st Air Cavalry Division (which will include a real time airlift of personnel for the 2 armored divisions from Texas to Australia and then their deployment by rail from the Sydney area to Freemantle area)

ooc
need to know specifically what the Australians, British and FNS are committing to this exercise.. post in this thread please.

The Indochinese Intelligence Agency pulls extra time on the newly completed Zhen Jing Spy Satellite Network (Improved) to observe these upcoming Oceanic Alliance exercises. In addition intelligence trawlers in the Pacific are ordered to give extra attention to Oceanic Alliance communications during said exercises.

As usual all infomation gained will be passed on to fellow SCT nations via the Joint Intelligence Program and the intelligence agencies of fellow SCT nations are notified of IIA activities in this area.

Super (As in the Cheif of Armed Forces and like 10 other people know) SIC: The KND sends up an Agent, secretly, into the ESA MOL, which is ordered to monitor the wargames.

SIC: Funds are also allocated to watch them through secret and non-secret means.

The Kaiserlich Marine approaches the OA Admiral about the possibility of several Officers to watch the games so that Germany can determine the uses of her new navy.

British Forces:

RN:

The Home Fleet will be shifted to the Pacific for the operations, it's presence being covered by detachments from the Pacific, Atlantic and Meditteranean Fleets. It will consist of the following:

2 Nuclear Powered heavy carrier groups, HMS Repulse, HMS Triumph
2 Nuclear Powered Heavy Missile Cruisers (HMS Assurance, HMS Audacious)
1 Nuclear Powered Light Missile Cruiser (HMS Bastion)
1 Nuclear Powered AA Cruiser (HMS Careful)
4 Nuclear Powered Escort Cruisers (HMS Dangerous, HMS Defiant, HMS Dauntless, HMS Defence)
8 nuclear powered destroyers,
4 ASW Frigates
1 amphibious assault group

NB: Carrier groups include all attachments such as escorts and replenishment ships which we now pay for seperately but I find it easier to keep them together and pay extra maintenance for the group.

The air cover will be provided by 2 elite pilots and 2 Blackburn Buccaneer Carrier Aircraft units.

Army Attachments:

6th (armoured) division, 16th, 17th, 18th (armoured) brigades,
2bns Queen’s Dragoon Guards, 2bns Royal Scots Dragoon Guards, 1bn Royal Dragoon Guards, 1bn Queen’s Royal Hussars, 1bn Royal Lancers, 1bn Light Dragoons, 1bn Queen’s Royal Lancers.
9 battalions total.

1st (Royal Marine Mechanised) Independent Brigade, 3bns of Royal Marine Mechanised Infantry

The British Commander asks whether a place could be found for several of the 7 new 2nd gen attack subs to be commissioned throughout this year or else for the SAS regiment, both of which are relatively untried.

the RN SSNs will be assigned to the Red Forces as part of the Scouting force, while the SAS will participate with the Red Forces as part of the special operations efforts.

The German request is ok, but those officers will not have access to secret areas of the ships they are aboard. (no access to CIC information, but access to the bridge)

the RN SSNs will be assigned to the Red Forces as part of the Scouting force, while the SAS will participate with the Red Forces as part of the special operations efforts.

The German request is ok, but those officers will not have access to secret areas of the ships they are aboard. (no access to CIC information, but access to the bridge)

OOC: Rad cool!

IC: The officers are ordered to follow directions given to them to the word, so as to not antagonize any of the OA. They are, however, ordered to monitor the wargames very carefully.

Phase 1 (May 1960)
A naval battle between the invading and defending air and naval forces in the Coral Sea and Solomon Sea.

Blue Forces (attacking force)
US 3rd Fleet with carriers Ranger, Wasp, Abraham Lincoln, Enterprise, heavy cruiser Long Beach, anti aircraft cruisers San Diego, San Antonio, San Pedro, Duluth, Escort cruisers Concord, Richmond, Memphis, Chester, 8 Forrest Sherman class DDG, 8 Knox class FFG, 4 replenishment ships, 2 F8U Crusader fighter units, 2 A4 Skyhawk light bomber units, 1 S2 Tracker ASW light bomber, plus ASW and ECM support and AWACs support.

Alliance 7th Fleet
Helicopter carriers Lake Champlain, America, Oriskany, Intrepid, plus 2 amphibious groups carrying the 1st and 2nd Marine Divisions (4 marine light infantry, 2 marine mechanized infantry brigades)
Assorted escorts (to be determined based on what RN provides)
Royal Navy and Royal Marine forces 2 British CVN, 2 CGN, 1 CGA, 4 CLA, 8 DDGN, 4 FFG, 1 amphib group (1 marine brigade), 1 F4C unit

Scouting force 10 USN nuclear attack submarines

FNS 2nd Tactical Air Force with 3 M121, 1 E121, 1 tanker, be based out of New Hebrides and New Caledonia

Red forces (defending force)
USAF 13th Air Force with 35th Fighter Wing (Arrow) 18th Fighter Wing (F4C) 8th Fighter Wing (F4C) 33rd Fighter Bomber Wing (F105) 192nd Air Refueling Wing (KC135) 2nd, 89th, 93rd and 95th Bomb Wings (B52Ds and tankers, B52s armed with Hound Dog missiles and trained in Maritime Strike dutieis)

RAAF forces – 5 F4C units
RAN forces 1 CVA, 2 CV, 3 CGAA, 2 CG, 2 CA, 4 DDG, 4 FFG, 15 DD, 15 SSK, 1 F4C unit,

FNS Navy
1 CVA, 2 CG, 5 DD, 10 FF, 2 SSN, 1 M121 fighter unit

Operation Southern Cross – Alliance Naval Wargames in the Solomon and Coral Seas, May 1960

May 3 – 5
The US 3rd Fleet, divided into 4 battlegroups, and supported by 15 US and RN SSNs, enters the Coral Sea to find and engage the defending Blue Naval Forces.

For the first time in history, a fleet has real time reconnaissance capability not only from the air, but also from space. Alliance Space Force RORSATs quickly find the surface vessels for both the Blue and Red forces. At the same time, EW and reconnaissance aircraft based in Australia and from carriers find the opposing forces.

On May 5, the Blue Force launches a massive attack aimed at the task group built around the Ranger. The Blue Forces attack with 3 RAAF F4C units (providing fighter escort), plus 4 B52 Maritime strike wings. Defending, the 3rd Fleet puts up 2 F8U Crusader and 1 F4C fighter unit.

The Red Forces shut down all of their ship radars, depending on the E1 Tracers, who provide sufficient warning. The Blue fighters streak in to engage the 3rd Fleet CAP, while the B52s simulate their launch at 100 miles out.

In the air battles, the Red lose an 1 F8U while the Blue loses a F4C unit. Otherwise, the fighters are too busy to influence the battle. The B52s launch their strike unscathed, and the simulated strike gets several missiles through the defending SAM coverage. The referees rule that if the missile had been nuclear, that Task Force 38.1 would have lost 2 FFGs, 2 DDGs, and suffered sufficient damage to the carrier to force it to withdraw. If it had been a conventional missile attack, then 1 FFG would have been sunk.

Meanwhile, the FNS provides air cover with 3 M121 units to A4s and A6s launched from the American carriers aimed at the RAN task force. The American carrier planes suffer heavy losses, the equilivant of an A4 unit, but get multiple hits on the RAN heavy carrier and both ASW carriers, and the referees rule them sunk.

Meanwhile, underwater, the SSN proves to be superior to the RAN SSKs, and the referees rule the entire force as sunk, while the 2 FNS SSNs manage to sink 2 US SSNs but both are also ruled sunk as well. This allows the remaining US and RN SSNs to get into attack position and eliminate the remainder of the RAN task force.

May 8 – 10
The Alliance Pacific Command HQ decides that nukes would not be used so Task Force 38.1 remains in the battle. Meanwhile, 20th Air Force command, which is coordinating the B52s, decides that the next time, the bombers would come in closer to get more hits. Blue Force decides to try and engage 1 of the carrier task groups supported by the 20th Air Force and try for a kill, while staying out of range of FNS aircraft operating from the Solomons and New Caledonia. Meanwhile, Red Force decides to close in to come within range of RAAF bases in Australia, and uses the SSNs and FNS 2nd Tactical Air Force to cover its flank and rear.

Blue Force loses surprise, and the FNS fleet is overwhelmed by carrier borne A6 and A4 light bombers, which referees determine sink 2 FNS cruisers and cripple their carrier, knocking the FNS fleet out of the battle. (Later on it is ruled as destroyed after RN SSNs ambush it as it retreats to the west).

Meanwhile, the B52s escorted by RAAF F4Cs make a determined attack, and in spite of the loss of 2 RAAF F4C units, close in and a massive missile attack is ruled by the referees to sink the carrier Abraham Lincoln and every other ship in Task Force 38.2 (1 CVA, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 4 frigates, 1 replenishment ship).

The next day, the 20th Air Force attacks again, even as the 3rd Fleet hits the RAAF fighter bases providing the escorts. This time, referees rule that 2 B52 Wings, and 2 RAAF F4C wings are destroyed at the cost of 1 F8U, and 1 A4 units, but the carrier Ranger is ruled to be crippled and knocked out of action, and 3 frigates and 2 destroyers are ruled as sunk, and the remainder of Task Force 38.3 knocked out of action.


May 12th – 14th
The remainder of the 3rd Fleet continues to provide support while the 7th Fleet approaches eastern Australia. The 13th Air Force, and remainder of the 20th Air Force and RAAF launches fierce attacks, and suffers severe losses but is ruled to sink a RN carrier, and several RN assault ships, effectively knocking out one portion of the landing force. However, losses are severe enough that it cannot launch followup attacks. The referees decide that a defending force of SSKs would be useful, and sends in the Blue Force RAN SSKs, which find that the shallow coastal waters allow them more success, and they sink the US assault carrier Oriskany and several escorts before being sunk or driven off by ASW escorts and helicopters.

May 15
The naval maneuvers come to an end. Referees rule that if nuclear weapons had been used, then most likely the 3rd Fleet would have been destroyed as it destroyed the Blue Forces. However, sufficient damage to the Blue Forces would have been inflicted allowing for a successful corps sized landing.

Analysts spend the months and years to come arguing about that verdict.

sigh. sincere apologies about not posting forces--havent checked E20 in days and I just saw this now. Available Australian Forces for the Land Games in September include the following. Should I issue any commands or will that be run by you GB?:

1x HQ Unit
6x F4C Fighters (elite pilots)
2x Infantry Divisions (highly trained)
2x Mechanized Infantry Divisions (highly trained)
2x Light Marine Brigades (highly trained)
2x Light Mechanized Marine Brigades (highly trained)
2x Airborne Brigades (highly trained)
--2x Transport Helicopter Units for Airborne Brigades

IC: Needless to say, Australian Admirals are less than pleased with the results so far, though the RAAF seems to have held its own. The government is also worried, considering that upgrades to the Navy in the wake of the Formosa games have apparently not had their intended effects.

ooc
I will handle the wargame part, so no orders really needed.

IC
Secret report by RAN.... summary is that the Navy wants modern SSKs or SSNs, while the RAAF wants FB111s to be armed with anti ship missiles and criticizes the vulnerability of a single carier battlegroup. The RAAF also points out that the RAN doesn't need a fleet carrier when the the USN has several, and the RAN agrees (not happily though).

On the plus side, it is pointed out that the combination of the Pacific naval forces and US Air Force supplimenting the RAAF, Australia is unassailable by any likely threat.

The Navy, after a bitter internal discussion points out that the ASW carriers did get some kills, and would be useful in supplementing the US Navy in protecting sea lanes to Australia, as well as providing Australasia with regional intervention capability. The RAAF is unable to counter that arguement.

ooc
interservice rivalry is fun, similar diiscussions happen between the USN and USAF

ooc
I will handle the wargame part, so no orders really needed.

IC
Secret report by RAN.... summary is that the Navy wants modern SSKs or SSNs, while the RAAF wants FB111s to be armed with anti ship missiles and criticizes the vulnerability of a single carier battlegroup. The RAAF also points out that the RAN doesn't need a fleet carrier when the the USN has several, and the RAN agrees (not happily though).

On the plus side, it is pointed out that the combination of the Pacific naval forces and US Air Force supplimenting the RAAF, Australia is unassailable by any likely threat.

The Navy, after a bitter internal discussion points out that the ASW carriers did get some kills, and would be useful in supplementing the US Navy in protecting sea lanes to Australia, as well as providing Australasia with regional intervention capability. The RAAF is unable to counter that arguement.

ooc
interservice rivalry is fun, similar diiscussions happen between the USN and USAF

ooc: well that makes me feel a little better. I was actually running a similar debate in my head. Anyways...

IC: which means that plans to retire the HMAS Curtin are back on the board--scheduled to occur in 1961. The Australian government contacts Washington concerning the possibility of using American SSNs in 1961. Canberra would provide the resources needed for their construction (points compensation) but would prefer more experienced workers construct them.

ooc: Sizewise, I assume since 5 subs were considered a unit before and now 1 is that crew complements would be similar. I dont need more than 2, 3 at the absolute max, and would be more than happy to put points in the 1961 budget for them.

incidently, a cursory inspection of the military thread did not reveal the F111. How much does a unit cost?

incidently, a cursory inspection of the military thread did not reveal the F111. How much does a unit cost?

EFB111 Raven air combat 15 (defense only), strike 0, maritime strike 0, all weather EW/Jamming aircraft, cost 5, maintenance 4,

The FB111 would have air combat 13, strike 6, maritime strike 6, all weather capable

A6 is air combat 11, strike 6, maritime strike 6, all weather capable

cost is 4 for either, maintenance is 3

EFB111 Raven air combat 15 (defense only), strike 0, maritime strike 0, all weather EW/Jamming aircraft, cost 5, maintenance 4,

The FB111 would have air combat 13, strike 6, maritime strike 6, all weather capable

A6 is air combat 11, strike 6, maritime strike 6, all weather capable

cost is 4 for either, maintenance is 3

Why do my planes suck :(

1960 Wargames (Invasion of Northwest Australia simulation)

The second element of the Oceanic Alliance wargames was the simulated invasion of Australia, with operations occurring in the Darwin region of the Northern Territory

The theory was that a likely invader would have air superiority in order to pull of an invasion to begin with, and thus would have to come from the direction of Timor and Indonesia, as otherwise Alliance Naval forces would be able to stop it to begin with.

http://www.gettingaway.com/directory/pacific/Pictures/Australia_Map.jpg

The objective was for the Red Force to land at Darwin, and then drive south to Alice Springs and along the northern and western coast to Perth. With the center of the country in invader control, and with the western ports under control, the invading forces would have sufficient port and airfield capacity to expand their invasion force to unlimited size.

http://www.krta.com.au/images/nt_map_australia_800x1.jpg

http://www.auinfo.com/australia-pictures/map/Darwin_map.jpg

The vast distances involved seemed like an ideal testing ground for the US Army’s new air mobile division concept, as well as the biggest maneuver ground since the Third Great War for armored forces. It would also allow the Alliance to test its new strategy of pre positioned armored forces that have their equipment in storage and their personnel flown by airlift to meet up with that equipment.

Initial defending forces:
The Australians have their 1st and 2nd infantry divisions deployed in Darwin and Perth respectively, with their 3rd and 4th mechanized divisions deployed with them, forming the II Corps (Darwin, 1st Inf, 3rd Mech) and III Corps (2nd Inf, 4th Mech). In strategic reserve are their 2 Marine Light infantry brigades, 2 Marine mechanized amphibious brigades, and 2 Light infantry brigades, along with 2 transport helicopter units.

With a rather large area to defend, the Australian commander assigns an infantry brigade each to defend Fog Bay, the Corpora Peninsula and the 2 large islands north of the Clarence Strait, and concentrates his mechanized division to defend Darwin itself.

Meanwhile the Red Forces, with the US 1st and 2nd Marine Divisions, US 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions, and 75th Ranger Regiment, and British Royal Royal Marine 4th Commando Brigade will conduct their invasion. The Red Forces ignore the peninsula to the northeast, and land the 2nd Marine Division on the two islands (consisting of 3 light infantry brigades with helicopter support) while the 1st Marine Division, with the Royal Marines attached, lands 3 mechanized marine brigades (by sea) and 1 light infantry brigade (by helicopter), while a parachute drop lands 3 brigades of the 82nd Airborne division behind the beaches, and another parachute drop lands the 75th Rangers at Batchelor, seizing the key RAAF airfield. The Australian 2nd Brigade is overwhelmed (ooc as it is hit by 7 brigades of equal quality troops at once with air support) and ruled destroyed. The 1st Brigade, scattered in battalion sized detachments on the 2 islands to the north is similarly ruled destroyed after a week of fighting.

Around Darwin, the Australian commander decided on a quick counterattack, hoping to use his heavy mechanized forces to take back Batchelor Airbase and to contain the beachhead, while the remainder of the 1st Infantry hurried to the city. 2 mechanized brigades attack the light infantry of the 75th Rangers and 82nd Airborne, and initially make good progress before helicopter gunships operating from the carriers shoot his columns to pieces and force a retirement. Referees rule that the 1st Infantry is down to 40% strength after 3 days, and the 3rd Mechanized is down to 70% strength, as is the US 82nd Airborne Division, 2nd Marine Division, and 75th Rangers.

On D+1, the airlift of personnel from the US begins to their base areas around Brisbane. A brigade arrives every 72 hours, which means the entire US III Corps will not be able to act until D+36. However, as it would take nearly 4 months for the entire force to arrive by sea, this is viewed as acceptable. (This also immediately gets the USAF to hurry development of the C141, as it would make the trip in half the time).

Referees determine that the Red Force has air superiority in the area, which will prevent Blue reinforcements from reaching the area in any case. The Red Forces attack Darwin with both marine divisions, as well as the 82nd Airborne and the newly arrived 101st Airborne Division (reach is flown into Batchelor Airbase). These 4 divisions take Darwin from the 3rd Mechanized, and is ruled destroyed along with the remainder of the 1st Infantry Division. Also ruled combat ineffective are the 1st and 2nd Marine Divisions, down to 30% strength each.

By D+14, the Red Forces are able to begin landing the remainder of their troops, the British 6th Armored Division, FNS 5th and 7th Mechanized Divisions, Canadian 1st Mechanized Division, and US 3rd and 11th Armored Cavalry Regiments as well as the 11th Airborne Division.

The 82nd and 101st lead the way, with the 82nd taking Catherine, and then the 101st taking Wyndham. By D+30, the 11th Airborne is in Tennant Creek, the 82nd has taken Dampier, and the 101st and Royal Marines have secured the remainder of the coast between Dampier and Wyndham. Meanwhile, the FNS II Corps (2 FNS divisions plus US 3rd ACR) is driving south on Alice Springs, while the British I Corps (1st Canadian, 6th British and US 11th ACR) is relanded at Dampier and it begins driving south on Perth.

The Blue Forces decide to defend in place at Perth, and concentrate the US III Corps at Mount Issa (a railhead). The III Corps is ordered to counterattack and take back Tennant Creek and then push north into Darwin.

On D+45, the US III Corps (2 armored divisions, 3 light infantry brigades, 1 UH helicopter unit, 1 AH helicopter unit and 1 CH helicopter unit) engages the FNS II Corps (2 mechanized divisions and 1 armored brigade) in a series of battles around Barckly Homestead. What results is stalemate, has both corps are badly damaged but it is sufficient to halt the offensive toward Alice Springs and end the threat to the center of Australia and indirectly South Australia. On D+60 the wargames are called to a halt.

At this point the western prong of the invasion has reached Canarvon and Shark Bay, but is still a long way from Perth and Freemantle while the eastern prong of the invasion is stalled.

Referees rule that by this point additional Australian reserve units and US reinforcements would begin to arrive and the hope of a quick conquest of Australia is no longer possible.

The German observers, satisfied with the results of the Air Assault teams send recommendations to Berlin. The Kaiserin's advisors propose that the inital 4 Divisions of Royal Guard that were to be Paratroopers, instead retrain to be Air Assault teams, which would be deemed effective for Middle Eastern Support.

4 New Transport Helicopters are ordered.

Plans are also made to set up prepositioned units in the Middle East.

OOC: How does that work?

Parthini']The German observers, satisfied with the results of the Air Assault teams send recommendations to Berlin. The Kaiserin's advisors propose that the inital 4 Divisions of Royal Guard that were to be Paratroopers, instead retrain to be Air Assault teams, which would be deemed effective for Middle Eastern Support.

4 New Transport Helicopters are ordered.

Plans are also made to set up prepositioned units in the Middle East.

OOC: How does that work?

you pay twice the cost of the unit in question, essentially because you have 2 sets of equipment to maintain every year
so an armored division would cost x2 annually, plus the cost of training

you pay twice the cost of the unit in question, essentially because you have 2 sets of equipment to maintain every year
so an armored division would cost x2 annually, plus the cost of training

Ok, but would there be the population effect of only having one unit?

Parthini']Ok, but would there be the population effect of only having one unit?

none... its a single unit, with same number of people in it, just twice as much equipment

none... its a single unit, with same number of people in it, just twice as much equipment

Rad...

The US suggests to the other nations of the Oceanic Alliance the time has come to invite the following nations to join it in view of the flagrant breech of the UN Charter by the SCT and Scandic Union

Preliminary discussions begin with the following nations:
Germany
South Africa
Nigeria
Belgium
Burgundy
the Netherlands
France
Oman
Kuwait
Egypt
Syria
Russia
the Philippines
Spain
Portugal

Britain supports an extended alliance.

Russia would glady join if invited by the OA.

(OOC: I think Burgundy would have some trouble justifying itself as a member, it doesnt even have a coast, but for the rest you could loosen the guidelines to "an ocean/major sea." )

While South Africa would probably join the OA if invited, many in the government are hesitant because they feel they would be abandoning their German allies, who is not included in the proposed exapnsion by the OA.

OOC: It's like the LTA, all over again. Ah, good times...wiping all the commies off the globe with a nice, big nuclear explosion. Oh, and Russia is on the list twice.

Phillipines is SCT, unless you wanted that

The US suggests to the other nations of the Oceanic Alliance the time has come to invite the following nations to join it in view of the flagrant breech of the UN Charter by the SCT and Scandic Union

Preliminary discussions begin with the following nations:
Germany
South Africa
Nigeria
Belgium
Burgundy
the Netherlands
France
Oman
Kuwait
Egypt
Syria
Russia
the Philippines
Spain
Portugal

meant to include Germany

Phillippines is included because it has a mutual defense treaty with the United States. Japan would be invited, although its seems unlikely to be interested.

Russia would glady join if invited by the OA.

(OOC: I think Burgundy would have some trouble justifying itself as a member, it doesnt even have a coast, but for the rest you could loosen the guidelines to "an ocean/major sea." )

the Rhine is navigatable (ok, stretching, but what the hell)

The Australian government, split over the idea of an extended OA, buys time on committing to the idea as it vacillates. Many are unhappy with abandoning the idea of the UN, and the only universal sentiment is in favor of inviting South Africa, which is nearly universally viewed in the nation as having been unfairly not admitted to the original membership. Certain other nations on the list are viewed more favorably than others and there are few in Canberra who are comfortable with the idea of every single country listed.

Nigeria would gladly join to support it's allies. Mainly Germany, Britain, South Africa, and the US.

Kennedy thanks Oceanic Alliance nations for their support during the Siberian Crisis, and also thanks South Africa, Nigeria, and France for their specific support.

Discussions about increasing membership of the Oceanic Alliance continue.

Officials gladly contacts OA leadership to discuss full membership of France in the OA. This latest incident has brought our attention to the merits of OA membership.

Several Reichstag members scoff when they hear word of invitation to the OA.

Others grin slightly.

Many in the FDP are skeptical of the sudden reinterest in becoming Germany's friend. The CDU stays quiet. However, the many in the military and ESA nearly wet themselves at the thought of access to OA equipment and funding.

The Reichstag awaits the decision of the rest of the EEC.

Britain would encourage an EEC/OA merger, with the ESA and Alliance space force benefitting greatly from shared research in such a case (vastly better than SCT/other agencies in such a case). Though Britain would want firm assurances from leading Alliance space force personnel of a guaranteed place amongst the first moon landings which would have occured should the ESA have continued.

(vastly better than SCT/other agencies in such a case).
OOC: Somehow I find this hard to believe.......

Britain would encourage an EEC/OA merger, with the ESA and Alliance space force benefitting greatly from shared research in such a case (vastly better than SCT/other agencies in such a case). Though Britain would want firm assurances from leading Alliance space force personnel of a guaranteed place amongst the first moon landings which would have occured should the ESA have continued.

OOC:

Emphasis = mine.

I very doubt that the ESA and OA have "vastly" better space technology and research than the SCT. In fact, the SCT and the ESA / OA are about equal in space technology, but it will be the SCT that reaches the moon first. How's that reflect "Oh, so superior OA / ESA technology"?

Besides, the same caps apply to the OA / ESA in terms of research (no more than 12 points a year in lifting technology, 12 points a year in payload technology, and not being able to research Tech 8 space technologies yet) as it applies to the SCT.

China and probably most of the SCT will reach Tech Level 8 at the exact same time the members of the ESA and OA do, so no "OMG! Superior technology lead" there either.

:Hums "Anything you can do I can do better..."::p

I can do anything better then you!

*does a little dance number*

I can do anything better then you!

*does a little dance number*

*interjects in a bass singing voice* "No you can't!"

OOC:

Emphasis = mine.

I very doubt that the ESA and OA have "vastly" better space technology and research than the SCT. In fact, the SCT and the ESA / OA are about equal in space technology, but it will be the SCT that reaches the moon first. How's that reflect "Oh, so superior OA / ESA technology"?

Besides, the same caps apply to the OA / ESA in terms of research (no more than 12 points a year in lifting technology, 12 points a year in payload technology, and not being able to research Tech 8 space technologies yet) as it applies to the SCT.

China and probably most of the SCT will reach Tech Level 8 at the exact same time the members of the ESA and OA do, so no "OMG! Superior technology lead" there either.


the OA and ESA did get to space first (chuckle)

You mean, the ESA got to space first :p

Talks continue regarding admission of EEC nations, as well as Nigeria and South Africa into the Oceanic Alliance.

A suggestion is made to also add Congo to the alliance when it becomes independent.

Consideration for Egypt, Ethopia and Liberia is also suggested.

Some German diplomats begin to point out that Germany, while it would greatly enjoy to become allied to Britain again, many do not wish to get themselves entagled in a world war.

They question the requirements of OA membership.

(Basically, could I be in the OA and not have to fight and insteadd just help with supplies and aid and stuff.)

the OA and ESA did get to space first (chuckle)

True. However, the SCT has caught up, quite a feat considering. If the SCT continues this trend of development, the SCT would technically be the ones superior to the OA and ESA in space technology (SCT basically gained 1.1 or 1.2 years of space technology to every OA / ESA 1 year of space technology, hence the catch-up in pure technical / statistics terms)

However, I'd be happy with equality and parity with the ESA / OA. Should be more fun.

Ok. I still don't understand how the SCT caught up? There's a 24 point limit on missle research and a 12 point on space research... Did you guys get missle research from somewhere?

There's just no way you guys can pass us... or there shouldn't be, since that's how the rules are....

Parthini']Ok. I still don't understand how the SCT caught up? There's a 24 point limit on missle research and a 12 point on space research... Did you guys get missle research from somewhere?

There's just no way you guys can pass us... or there shouldn't be, since that's how the rules are....

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11066570&postcount=14

Parthini']Ok. I still don't understand how the SCT caught up? There's a 24 point limit on missle research and a 12 point on space research... Did you guys get missle research from somewhere?

There's just no way you guys can pass us... or there shouldn't be, since that's how the rules are....

the SCT hasn't caught up, as the ESA and OA have duel means of space launch... both space planes and capsules, while the SCT only has capsules.

Which will be an advantage later at Tech 8

the SCT hasn't caught up, as the ESA and OA have duel means of space launch... both space planes and capsules, while the SCT only has capsules.

Which will be an advantage later at Tech 8

I believe the SCT is researching space planes right now- and will have dual space launch capability before 1970 when tech level 8 is reached for various nations.

I believe the SCT is researching space planes right now- and will have dual space launch capability before 1970 when tech level 8 is reached for various nations.
True
Because of the massive gap of no new things to research between 1965 and 1970 we will equlaise in time to be able to get the lovely space shuttle for the discount price of six points.

ASA Space plane research will be finished in 1967, therefore maxing out our research for three years while we wait tor tech level 8

México proposes an emergency meeting of the three remaining members of the OA, namely, itself, Canada, and FNS. The meeting will take place in Mexico City at an as yet unarranged date.

México proposes an emergency meeting of the three remaining members of the OA, namely, itself, Canada, and FNS. The meeting will take place in Mexico City at an as yet unarranged date.

Australia, though it has suspended its membership in the OA (mostly for domestic political reasons) expresses interest in having an observer at the meeting if that is acceptable to other nations...

Mexico finds this acceptable, and invites envoys from the US, and UK to come. Officials from CAEO will also be present at this meeting.

FNS will attend.

OOC - Is there any point waiting for the guy that's supposed to be playing Canada?

Britain will happily send an observer

OOC: I don't think Canada has been active recently...

OOC - Ok, we're just waiting on the FNS and possibly the US then.

OOC - Ok, we're just waiting on the FNS and possibly the US then.

Canada will be present (as an NPC), the US will not as the government is still in turmoil

FNS will attend.
Look closer next time.

Ah cheers. Any point waiting for GB?

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Canada looks at its security situation with grave concern.

It first approaches the British about salvaging the OA, with Canada, the UK and Russia being the principal members, and including South Africa and Australia.

Failing that, Canada suggests a new alliance, consisting of it, the UK, Ireland (if it will join), as well as Iceland.

FNS scoffs at its exclusion.

Canada works on convincing the FNS to continue the Pan American treaty, although exactly how such a treaty would work is somewhat questionable

Russia (whose foreign relations were in flux even before any nukes flew) would support this bloc, pending discussions with other allies.

(OOC: Russia was a candidate for EEC and OA membership before the crisis, and has begun discussions with the SCT since then, rather chaotic, and more focus is put on the front, diplomacy taking a backseat in a nuclear war.)

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Man, I swear I'm blind sometimes!

IC

The Mexican President, Oswaldo Sanchez, who is chairing the meeting, welcomed the guests to the Presidential Palace, before sitting down to join them. He noticed the uneasy looks around the table. On his left, sat remaining OA members, and to his right, the former alliance members. Immediately to his right sat the CAEO official, who was a guest of Mexico, and immediately to his left, sat a scribe, who was typing out notes on a typewriter, a copy of which would be sent to US officials, who unfortunately could not attend the meeting.

"My friends, despite recent events, it is good that so many of you could join me here. We may not all still belong to the Oceanic Alliance, but I hope that we are all still allies. I extend Mexico's friendship to all present, and I can only hope that we are never on opposing sides, and that was the point in this meeting, to discuss the future of our alliance."