NationStates Jolt Archive


Communism or Democracy?

The Future America
05-05-2006, 01:41
What are you? Are you a Commusist state or anything with that or a Democracy or something like that?

I want to know. I've heard that there are more Communist states and such then there are Democracy's and such.

GIVE ME YOUR VOTE!
The Aeson
05-05-2006, 01:43
Imperial Theocracy?
Ustia
05-05-2006, 01:43
You need to put that on the voting thing because I was little confused about what you were asking future.
Cravan
05-05-2006, 01:44
In reality it should be Communist or Capitalist, since Communism is an economic system and democracy is a government system.

To answer your question, I am as right wing as you may be able to get economically. Capitalism FTW!

I am also a democracy/monarchy. Don't ask.
The Future America
05-05-2006, 01:46
Ok
H-Town Tejas
05-05-2006, 01:47
Either that or Democracy/Dictatorship. All dictators aren't Communist and all Communists aren't dictators.
Anyway, socialist dictatorship.
Maraque
05-05-2006, 01:47
My nation is a cross between a constitutional monarchy and a direct/representative democracy. Contradiction? Maybe, but it works for me. :cool:

Oh, and my nation is extremist liberal in views.
Ustia
05-05-2006, 01:48
Lets see how this works out. I'm interested what the balance of commie versus Democratic is if there is one.
Commonalitarianism
05-05-2006, 01:49
I am a civil rights lovefest with a thriving green economy. Kind of a strange thing. I would say Direct Electronic Democracy with Ecotopian Worker Capitalism. Kind of a weird future thingie. I am working on becoming a RICH economy, but haven't figured out how to implement it properly yet.
Jaghur
05-05-2006, 01:51
This probably belongs in the General forum. II is for role-playing.
Ustia
05-05-2006, 01:52
My nation is a true blue democracy just with Monarch names like Prime minister and stuff like that.
Taslan
05-05-2006, 01:58
Is this a joke? Whoever started this forum doesn't know the first thing about communism. Communism is a way of planning an economy. It is supposed to be democratic. True communism has never exsisted because of monsterous dictators that have perverted it.

Trotskyism all the way!
Walmington on Sea
05-05-2006, 02:03
Is this a joke? Whoever started this forum doesn't know the first thing about communism. Communism is a way of planning an economy. It is supposed to be democratic. True communism has never exsisted because of monsterous dictators that have perverted it.

Trotskyism all the way!

Seems a funny thing to say, given Trotsky's controlling part in destroying democracy and communism in Russia, and by extension the world.

Walmington on Sea calls itself a democracy -specifically a parliamentary one under a constitutional monarchy- but since the people get one chance to vote every few years, then a political elite -backed by a financial elite and a professional military and police force- do pretty much as they please for the next five or six years, one may reasonably dispute the claim.
ImperiumVictorious
05-05-2006, 02:13
The nation of Imperium Victorious is a communist state. Seeing as how real communism permits civil rights and political rights as well as equality we aspire to this great goal.

Iam also a communist by ideology.
Commonalitarianism
05-05-2006, 10:54
There is Marxism which is BS and there is Platonic communism. In Platonic communism everyone was guaranteed a fixed annual income to create freedom from want and ideally worked for the greater good of the community-- there was no dictatorship of the proletariat and all the other stuff which came later with its nonsense.
The Keltoi Tribe
05-05-2006, 18:36
The point of communism is for no government to be neccesary. Lennin was trying to start a transition phase between absolutist monarchy and communism. Stalin then took over and pretended to be a communist while actually being a power hungry absolutist. A Dictatorship is neither Communist nor Democratic. I put communist because I base my nation roughly on the Leninist transition phase.
Czardas
05-05-2006, 18:43
Czardas is anarchist; i.e. both. :D
Emporer Pudu
05-05-2006, 18:47
Communist Democracy.A system which lets the people elect their own government, but prohibits those elected from screwing with the economy, which they themselves regulate strictly.

The perfect system is one in which it is a blend of a totalitarian economic or political system, such as communism/dictatorship on the totalitarian scale or free market capitalism/democracy on the free scale. I prefer the communist democracy pair, but (ughh...) a capitalist dictatorship may work...
GinetV3
05-05-2006, 18:48
Ginet is a democracy. Economically, it's probably close to what Marx had in mind, but about as far as you can get from Stalinism.
Emporer Pudu
05-05-2006, 18:56
Ginet is a democracy. Economically, it's probably close to what Marx had in mind, but about as far as you can get from Stalinism.

Close enough!
Kilobugya
05-05-2006, 19:01
Democracy and communism and not opposed, I would even say that one cannot go fully without the other.

In communism, there is no governement, the society is organised democratically from its root, the more direct democracy possible. Since communism is about uniting mankind and supressing social classes, it cannot be realised as long as some are "on top".

In democracy, the people decide. As long as many important aspects of human lives, which includes food, housing, healthcare, clothes, education, information, culture, ... belongs to private corporations, it's not democracy. Decisions that affects the lives of everyone (or at least of hundred of thousands of people) are taken daily by people whose only virtue is to be rich enough to buy stocks. That's definitely not democratic, but ploutocratic.

So definitely, communism and democracy have to work together. Capitalism is incompatible with real democracy, and dictatorship is incompatible with real communism.

PS: I voted "communism" in the poll, even if it's a bit meaningless.
Shazbotdom
05-05-2006, 19:28
All the different types of government don't fall under two main cataogires. My nation is considered "Democratic Socialists" so if i were to vote i would have to vote for both options which would put your numbers off majorly.
Abbassia
05-05-2006, 20:48
I thought the opposite of COmmunisim is Capitalisim?
Shazbotdom
05-05-2006, 21:09
No. There is Communism, Captialism, Socialism, Totalitarianism, Theorocracy, and mayn more. They all don't fall under Capitalism and Communism.
Kilobugya
05-05-2006, 21:29
No. There is Communism, Captialism, Socialism, Totalitarianism, Theorocracy, and mayn more. They all don't fall under Capitalism and Communism.

All those words are different things.

Communism, Socialism and Capitalism are mostly economical system.

Totalitarianism is a characteristic of a political regime (a monarchy can be totalitarian, as can be a theocracy, for example).

A theocracy is a political regime (like an absolute monarchy, a constitutional monarchy, a republic, ...)

Opposing "communism" and "democracy" doesn't make much sense directly, because "communism" applies more to economical structure while "democracy" applies more to political structure. But well, "communism" is a bit weird, because, as it was defined by Marx, it covers also partly the political structure (and on the political structure, it's very democratic).

What you argue is that communism is incompatible with democracy, or the opposite, but there won't be unanimity here. As I said, I consider that communism cannot exist without democracy, and that democracy will not be complete without communism (a "capitalist democracy" will always be a very imperfect democracy, as we can see in the world).
Usea-Jason
05-05-2006, 21:29
Economy and gov. are two different things.
Sel Appa
05-05-2006, 21:34
Why can't you have a communist democracy? Why does everyone always put communism and democracy as opposites? Communism is an economic system, not a political system.
Amazonian Beasts
05-05-2006, 21:36
Communist and Democracy aren't the two opposites...it's communist and capitalist.

In which case I'm capitalist...yet I'm also a dictatorship (totalitarianism doesn't necessarily equal communism).
Zyck
05-05-2006, 21:37
Communist all the way, can't have the little people uspet and hungry can we?
Festering Potatoes
05-05-2006, 21:41
Both.:)

After all, communism is a form of economy, and democracy is a form of goverment. The citizens would have no control over their business, but would have complete control over their goverment.
Brydog
05-05-2006, 22:17
Im a liberal democracy with welfare captialist system.
Commonalitarianism
06-05-2006, 01:53
I think I may do my Rising Income Through Cybernetic Homeostasis post on a future form of economy soon. It should be interesting. I may be ready to try the transition for my government.
Questers
06-05-2006, 01:54
I'm neither, i'm a constitutional monarchy, but I voted for democracy.