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As there were no PT RPs going (except for a huge one i can't be bothered to join), I thought of starting a new one. This is an idea I have posted before. It's a maritime based RP, which means the main civilisations to work from will be Greeks and Phoenicians, but you can create your own. Game will start around 1000 BC with each player having a city-state and going off to trade and make colonies, and eventually fight other nations. If you're interested, pick a location. To start with, I'll restrict it to East mediteranean and Aegean seas. Colonies can be built further though.
I'll add details later if people are interested.

PT RP anyone?

anyone?

1000 BC? blah

i think
500-400ish BC :) cities like...

Sparta
Athens
Syracuse
Carthage
Rome

are all well and set, Rome isn't even Roman in 1000BC, Carthage and Syracuse don't exist....

yeah, but 500BC is the high point of Phoenicia, so I want to start before that. Maybe 750? Carthage can be founded by someone. This is not to be historically accurate. The date is just for tech levels.

As it doesn't have to be historically accurate could you say make Egypt a baot based nation and send them into it? Would add another dimension.

Exactly. Modifying Egypt to make it naval based is the kind of thing i meant by creating your own civ.

2 people mildly interested... anyone else?

I'm in approximately bazillion RP's at the moment... but since most of them seem to be quite slowly progressing, I think I could take part in this one. As Karthaginians, if possible.

OK, 3 people. Btw, Carthage didn't exist yet, but as this isn't historically accurate, who cares. Oh yeah, other people, choose who you want to be. Anyone else interested?

And I think 750 BC works best because that's the approximate date given by my history book for the begining of Greek colonization of the Mediterranean.

if i may i would take Syracuse, though in RL i don't think it existed at this time

Could I be Minoan?

Ok, so we have:

Madnestan- Carthage
Nebarri_Prime- Syracuse
Kulikovo- Knossos

Yay, this might be picking up. More people?

I'll take Egypt - but I can only normally reply in the evening (GMT)

Doesn't matter. Once a day minimum I guess. That reminds me, what should the time scale be?

Ok, I give up. After several days of just watching this thread I'll join you, but I'm not sure which ancient civilizations are open. (Lets assume history isn't my strongest point...)

You don't neccesarily have to choose a real civilisation. If you're unsure of the kind of available civilisations, just go with greek. Pick a location anywhere in the area, and research the polis political system. I'll help you and i'm sure others will too if you have any questions.

Btw Kulikovo, Minoa is long past, as it's pinnacle was around 1500 BC. You can be Crete anyway, but it's not Minoa.

I think we can start once we have all the rules decided. I'll start on the east coast of Cyprus. Ammochostos specifically. Now how will the rules work...

Interesting thing, that 'polis' stuff. Sounds like something that would work nicely.

But what will be the technological limitations? Some of the things that were invented back then were far outclassing most other things (Greekfire would be a good example IIRC).

Greekfire was invented in 673 AD. Not in this RP. Mainly copper working. Square sail triremes, painted pottery; trade in wine, woven wool, linen from Egypt. Technology shouldn't really come in much, as most ships in the classical era were so similar that neither had any strategical advantage, and I want to avoid large land battles. For trade, find out what was in the area you choose. As for Egypt, if no one chooses that area, we'll assume the empire exists and trades unbiasedly between everyone. Phoenicia will have a conglomerate of small cities, but no empire, and will trade equally with whoever comes to them. Hitites will be more or less barbaric, not trading much with people (no that's not historically accurate, I know), Italy will have fairly advanced small tribes which wich anyone can trade with, and the coasts can be colonized. Is this ok with everyone?

Greekfire was invented in 673 AD. Not in this RP.
I knew I was wrong somewhere...
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Sounds fine, so that will be mostly marble, bronze, and those olives/grapes from the Greeks right?

Yep, except that olives and grapes grow just about everywhere around the med, so not just the greeks. But, greece was known for higher quality production. Look up that kind of thing and be realistic. As for time scale 1 day = 1 season, but we skip winter. That sound good?

Also, what do you start with. I was thinking 1 city of 20 000 people, farmlands around, maybe 10 000 people (?) (fisherman are counted in the city population), fleet of maybe 20 ships, mainly biremes, maybe 3 or 4 triremes. An small army, you choose how many people.

Alright then, I'll play here as a Greek Timocracy (Power to the wealthy, found that when looking up polis) who will be doing this for the profit. Money has always been a good reason to go to war with othes, especially our own money...

hey Keltoi, what kind of nations are available? I'd prefer to be German, or the Huns, or whatever. Just tell me what's allowed.

It says in the first post. A greco-phoenician type city state, anywere around the eastern mediterranean or aegean seas. Germans and Huns are too far and would certainly not have become a commercial power. Oh yeah, piracy is allowed just so people know.

Ok, if we have five people, that's enough to start, and we can add more later. Can everyone who's playing confirm their location.

Has everyone given up on this?

I would like to join provided you all are not uber-inactive :P

I would like to be Carthage, but seeing as they have already been chosen I will be Seleucid Kingdom if that is alright with you?

OCC: And I really don't know why he isn't allowed to be huns.. seeing as we may be going to colonise, why wouldnt he be allowed to be the huns? I think we should set this out better if you don't mind, shall I create or you?

Lets see if we can get this thing on the road, visit here for sign up:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10917605#post10917605

or click here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10917605#post10917605)

he wasn't allowed to be the Huns because of the thread title: Maritime. This was meant to be a trade war more than anything. No big land battles. Just ships going around the mediterranean. The Huns are kind of far away. As are the Selucids for that matter.

I think that people are failing to grasp the concept of this RP. So...

Starting from around 750 BC, Greece and Phoenicia started forming colonies all around the Meditteranean Sea. They became dominant trading powers. Both of these cultures were based on city-states. Though these city-states hated each other, they were completely unable to wage open war on each other. So, instead, they engaged in trade wars, trying to make their own colonies more profitable than the next city-state's. Naval skirmishes were commonplace, and some city-states started engaging in large scale piracy, stealing enemy fleets wherever possible. This situation lasted until Phoenicia was destroyed by the Persian Empire and Greece united against the same threat.

Now do you see why the Huns and Selucids are not allowed?

If I'm not here a single day doesn't mean I've died, left forever, or something else that serious ;)

As far as I know I'm still in here as the Greeks, but I can't speak for any others.

You can't be all of Greece. For the xth time: city-states!!!

I got that part by now, I was saying Greeks as I'm the only player using a Greek city AFAIK...

ah, ok, sorry. In that case choose where in greece.

hopeful BUMP