NationStates Jolt Archive

Comrades Alex Roy and Ben found that a satinist country from the underworld wanted to end socialism and fair capitalism. The foreign office at New Moscow was aghast to hear the news and immediatly notified Comrade Alex. And with quick reactions they declared war on the satanist state before it could on them and activated the Humanitarian alliance. Now they have the upper hand

The comrades spent weeks planning out the attack, it was to be a surprise attack. First, the Red Army would send 3 helicopters to The Black Winged Horde. The helicopters, would only be a diversion, were only loaded with old military crash test dummies. The rest of the army, would come in from the northern border and attack any army soldiers in their way. The Red Army would raze any cities in the way of the capital, and destroy all resistance.

The helicopters headed towards The Black Winged Horde, while the rest of the army positioned to the north. The helicopters landed, and to their surprise, were met by no gunfire or any people. This was the moment the whole war depended on. Would The Black Winged Horde take the bait, or do nothing?
"Take the damn bait! Attack the helicopters!" thought Red Army commanders as they waited for the signal to move in.

Will you support the forces of good and humanity? or will you sopport the dark underworld?

Good Happiness as part of the Humanitarian alliance will commit 1,000,000 heavily armed soldiers:mp5:. Comrade Roy has issued a statement calling for people to fight for the alliance.

With 1,000,000 new soldiers to use, the Red Army High Command went back to the drawing board. "We should charge towards their capital with 2,000,000!" said general Eisen Howard. "Nonsense! They should come in as support from the south if we need them!" argued another general. "No!" shouted the Supreme Comrade of the Red Army. "We should let The People's Army of Good Hapiness decide what they want done with their soldiers!"

We will attack from the south rim

100,000 of Benlandngdo's mighty Red Army goose marched from the west onto a plateau overlooking the capitol of The Black Winged Horde. General Stalin jr. saw through the deployment. "We will strike tomorow and hold the west secter of the city, while Good Happiness and NSSR take the rest of the city.", he said.:sniper:

My soldiers are needed in another conflict

Hearing about the war on the Satanic state, the Psychotic Dictator Bowen from Bat Land sends 1,000,000 Marines, 2,000,000 Broodlings (infantry), 500,000 Heavy Artillery, and 300,000 Tanks to aid The Black Winged Horde in defending their state.

To Bat:
If you are new,how do you have so many soldiers and weapons.

I was wondering that myself, you do have to buy weapons on the forum or its just really cheap.

Hearing about the war on the Satanic state, the Psychotic Dictator Bowen from Bat Land sends 1,000,000 Marines, 2,000,000 Broodlings (infantry), 500,000 Heavy Artillery, and 300,000 Tanks to aid The Black Winged Horde in defending their state.

OOC: 3,000,000 soldiers, 300,000 tanks and 500,000 artillery pieces? Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Honestly. Even huge, massively rich nations don't field anywhere near that many MBTs. Also, how are you going to transport your soldiers? Your average civilian jet liner carries about 250 people. That equals twelve THOUSAND flights just to get your soldiers there, not to mention their equipment. Your population is 18,000,000 to start with. You're going to send 1/6th of your entire population off to fight a foreign war?

Not to mention, for an average 4-person tank crew, with 300,000 tanks you'd need another 1.2 MILLION people just to crew the tanks. It's just entirely unrealistic. You really need to read the FAQs for this forum.

OOC: 3,000,000 soldiers, 300,000 tanks and 500,000 artillery pieces? Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Honestly. Even huge, massively rich nations don't field anywhere near that many MBTs. Also, how are you going to transport your soldiers? Your average civilian jet liner carries about 250 people. That equals twelve THOUSAND flights just to get your soldiers there, not to mention their equipment. Your population is 18,000,000 to start with. You're going to send 1/6th of your entire population off to fight a foreign war?

Not to mention, for an average 4-person tank crew, with 300,000 tanks you'd need another 1.2 MILLION people just to crew the tanks. It's just entirely unrealistic. You really need to read the FAQs for this forum.

OOC: Actually... I do have near that many MBTs... *evil grin*

OOC: Actually... I do have near that many MBTs... *evil grin*

OOC: And do you really think someone with an 18,000,000 person nation and 95 million dollar government budget can also? Not to mention, your own numbers aren't that impressive. My defense budget is x7 higher than your own and my population nearly double, yet I wouldn't even *think* about trying to field an army like that. It's just wank.

Heck. The world's largest standing army (China) doesn't even have 10,000 tanks. Why? Because it's expensive to build, upkeep and field them. They take ammunition for the crew to practice with, spare parts to replace damaged pieces with, and fuel to run on. With a $496 billion dollar defense budget, how do you think you can maintain x30 the military of China?

Not to bring logic into the discussion or anything. :headbang:

OOC: Actually... I do have near that many MBTs... *evil grin*
Meh, I wouldn't be surprised if nations of six billion pop like AMF, Pantera, Omz, &c. had tanks above the half-million mark.

And Geneticon, that is a bit unlikely, as I doubt you could afford to maintain all of those plus naval and aerial forces... but meh.

OOC: If you can afford them, you can have them. NS isn't the real world you know. It's not every day that you have hundreds of nations over the 1 billion population mark...

OOC: If you can afford them, you can have them. NS isn't the real world you know. It's not every day that you have hundreds of nations over the 1 billion population mark...

OOC: That's kind of the point. You can't afford them. It'd cost hundreds of billions of dollars to maintain a MBT reserve of 250,000+ not to mention their crews. Add in what you have to pay your army/navy/air/marine regulars. Military base/compound upkeep. Ship and aircraft upkeep/maintaince, throw in fuel costs ontop of all of that and you're looking at trillions of dollars.

OOC: And do you really think someone with an 18,000,000 person nation and 95 million dollar government budget can also? Not to mention, your own numbers aren't that impressive. My defense budget is x7 higher than your own and my population nearly double, yet I wouldn't even *think* about trying to field an army like that. It's just wank.

Heck. The world's largest standing army (China) doesn't even have 10,000 tanks. Why? Because it's expensive to build, upkeep and field them. They take ammunition for the crew to practice with, spare parts to replace damaged pieces with, and fuel to run on. With a $496 billion dollar defense budget, how do you think you can maintain x30 the military of China?

Not to bring logic into the discussion or anything. :headbang:
$496b is about twice or thrice China's military budget, so I'd say at most 30,000 tanks.

And I'll agree... partially. Buying 300,000 quality tanks would cost about $1.8 trillion. Maintaining them all would be about $60 billion per year just for materials, at least. It would take 1.2 million men to crew them and over 9 million logistical personnel to keep them supplied, cleaned, and so on. While Geneticon could conceivably afford these if purchased in installments, I don't see how he could keep an army, navy, and airforce at the same time.

Also, consider paying all of those personnel. Say it's a base pay of $36,000 per year (awfully low). That comes to $360 billion more a year, or $420 billion in all. That leaves $76 billion for everything else. You do the math.

$496b is about twice or thrice China's military budget, so I'd say at most 30,000 tanks.

And I'll agree... partially. Buying 300,000 quality tanks would cost about $1.8 trillion. Maintaining them all would be about $60 billion per year, at least. It would take 1.2 million men to crew them and over 9 million logistical personnel to keep them supplied, cleaned, and so on. While Geneticon could conceivably afford these if purchased in installments, I don't see how he could keep an army, navy, and airforce at the same time.

OOC: That 60 billion number is on the very, very low end, I'd say. That's with very light usage. Which means the crews get very little hands-on time. Ammunition and fuel from practice send upkeep costs through the roof. And use means breakdowns, and required part replacement. With 60 billion set aside for upkeep, yeah you'd have a lot of tanks, but their crews would have very little experience. >.>

$496b is about twice or thrice China's military budget, so I'd say at most 30,000 tanks.

And I'll agree... partially. Buying 300,000 quality tanks would cost about $1.8 trillion. Maintaining them all would be about $60 billion per year just for materials, at least. It would take 1.2 million men to crew them and over 9 million logistical personnel to keep them supplied, cleaned, and so on. While Geneticon could conceivably afford these if purchased in installments, I don't see how he could keep an army, navy, and airforce at the same time.

Also, consider paying all of those personnel. Say it's a base pay of $36,000 per year (awfully low). That comes to $360 billion more a year, or $420 billion in all. That leaves $76 billion for everything else. You do the math.

OOC: You make a good point. I don't actually have that many (I forget how many I actually have). I'll have to look it up. Good math and calculations.

Then again, a lot of the stuff I use I don't always use each and every year. Most of what I have in my military is reserves, in case of a fight (Geneticon has never been in an all out war). So without having to fight, there really is no upkeep or personnel cost... but there will be when I actually go to fight.

OOC: That 60 billion number is on the very, very low end, I'd say. That's with very light usage. Which means the crews get very little hands-on time. Ammunition and fuel from practice send upkeep costs through the roof. And use means breakdowns, and required part replacement. With 60 billion set aside for upkeep, yeah you'd have a lot of tanks, but their crews would have very little experience. >.>
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I've edited. Counting paying the crews and logistical personnel it's closer to $420 billion with no military usage at all. That goes up exponentially if any of them (god forbid) ever happen to go into battle. It leaves $76 billion a year for everything else.

Hell, I spend 20% of my GDP, or currently about $14 trillion, per year on the military.* I have a maximum of 30,000 tanks in my mechanised force. (120,000 crew; 880,000 logistics). Using the same calculations that would cost about $180 billon to acquire, and $42 billion per year. That may seem low, but the vast majority of funds goes towards maintaining an airforce of some 36,000 aircrafts and counting, or a total of about $2.88 trillion to acquire, requiring 1 million personnel again for another $500 billion, plus maintenance and combat operations coming to, say, $1.3 trillion per year. I prefer underspending than overspending (and it affords me more money to set aside for procurement anyway, which is rather important).

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* I know, NSEcon says it's 5%. It's weird that way.

OOC: You make a good point. I don't actually have that many (I forget how many I actually have). I'll have to look it up. Good math and calculations.

Then again, a lot of the stuff I use I don't always use each and every year. Most of what I have in my military is reserves, in case of a fight (Geneticon has never been in an all out war). So without having to fight, there really is no upkeep or personnel cost... but there will be when I actually go to fight.
The problem with keeping them in reserve is that they still need to be maintained: cleaned, oiled, and so on to prevent them from rusting and being unworkable in wartime. But, yeah.

:/_:

The problem with keeping them in reserve is that they still need to be maintained: cleaned, oiled, and so on to prevent them from rusting and being unworkable in wartime. But, yeah.

:/_:

That's the same point I just made on #nationstates IRC.

ok ill lower the amount of troops

OOC: All you guys declaring war on random people...either do one of two things. Go against somebody who will teach you a lesson (ie declare war on Kraven so you are taught not to do this), or just stop.

Hearing about the war on the Satanic state, the Psychotic Dictator Bowen from Bat Land sends 100,000 Marines:sniper: , 200,000 Broodlings (infantry):mp5: , 50,000 Heavy Artillery, and 50,000 Tanks to aid The Black Winged Horde in defending their state.

Hearing about the war on the Satanic state, the Psychotic Dictator Bowen from Bat Land sends 100,000 Marines:sniper: , 200,000 Broodlings (infantry):mp5: , 50,000 Heavy Artillery, and 50,000 Tanks to aid The Black Winged Horde in defending their state.


OOC: *sighs and looks heavenwards*

IC:
Subject: Official Reply of the Felucan Foreign Affairs Department
To: 'Bat Land'
Body:
This is your one and only warning. Any attempts to get involved in this war will be met by absolute force from the New Felucan government and its military. This is not your affair, and we will not see another regional war sparked over so small of a matter.

We highly suggest that you keep your military at home. If you send it off to fight in a foreign war, we will be forced to intervene against you.

The Xeno, you got involved in this by arguing about how many troops he had. You shouldn't be talking.

The Xeno, you got involved in this by arguing about how many troops he had. You shouldn't be talking.

OOC: Pointing out someone's wankage disqualifies me from roleplaying? Who are you? Certainly not the person to tell me how to roleplay.

OOC: You're the one wanking here, NSSR. Do you want me to invade you? If so, just ask...and my infinite empire will come knocking...

How am I wanking?

Simple: You can not have 2 million soldiers from your current size...your nation is still small. Your army wouldn't be that big.

My army is 1,000,000, 1,000,000 soldiers are Good Hapiness, which he took back

"Sir, we must not get involved with this war. I think it's dumb to fight for evil." says one of the councilmen sitting in the command office with Dictator Bowen and 4 other councilmen in the military city of Crone.

"You really think that. Well lets have ourselves a vote, all in favore of not fighting this war stay seated and all in favore of fighting this war stand up." replies Dictator Bowen

3 men stand up and 3 men stay seated.

"Well it seems we have a tie." says Bowen

"What shall we do sir?" a councilman replies

"It's entirely left up to me now it's whether I want to or not."

Bowen takes 3 minutes to think it over and decide what the best choice for his state would be. After the 3 minutes is up he looks at everyone while they are anxously waiting for a decision.

"We will not get involved! We need to build more weapons and give our troops more training before we get involved with war. Send a message to The Humanitarian Alliance with the news."