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European Economic Community

History

Set up in 1948 by the combined efforts of the French, German and British governments to promote reduced tariff trade and increased cooperation between their nations. The countries soon experienced increased industrial growth due to the new export market for goods and increased immigration between the nations. As the Community prospered it was decided to open it up to other European nations with similar aims and soon most of Europe was involved.

Members

The EEC currently stands at members:

Britain
France
Germany
Burgundy
Belgium
Netherlands
Yugoslavia
Albania
Kosovo
Spain
Bulgaria
Czechoslovakia
Italy
Ireland

Aims

To promote reduced trade tariffs between members
To encourage immigration between members to solve unemployment and labour shortage issues
To strive for greater cooperation between European nations in world politics

European Space Agency

History

The European Space Agency (or ESA) was founded in 1949 as a joint effort by Britain and Germany to concentrate on space research and exploration. Initially both countries simply shared missile technology and had an international research establishment on Heligoland, this site is named "The Queen Victoria Space Research Institute". Many of the original pioneers were aces of the recent "Third Great War" and were happy to cooperate for this fine aim despite many of them recently being on opposite sides. The British government granted an area of land suitable for a launch site near to Freetown in Sierra Leone to the ESA and has it protected ably by RAF regiment personnel

The ESA's first major achievement was the world's first suborbital flight made by German test pilot Günther Rall and reached heights of 116.5 miles (187 km). Footage of the flight was broadcast across the world and was celebrated in both countries. The French nation joins the ESA shortly after and contributes to funding, 2 further sub-orbital missions see British and Frenchmen gain their wings.

The ESA put a satellite into space on January 22nd 1952, the 51st anniversary of Queen Victoria's death. The satellite followed an earlier attempt that exploded shorlty after takeoff. The new satellite was codenamed Victoria in the Queen's honour. The satellite sent back temperature and pressure details of the outer reaches of the Earth's atmosphere and remained in orbit for 3 months. It was the world's first artificial satellite.

7 more satellites followed in quick succession before a major attempt to get a man into orbit was attempted in 1953. 8 manned launches were planned for 1953 split between the three nationalities by funding proportionality. They were as follows: 6 British manned space orbital launches (John Cunningham, Peter Twiss, Herman Salmon, Eric Brown, Johnnie Johnson, Robert Stanford Tuck), 1 German manned space orbital launch (Fritz Wendel), 1 French manned space orbital launch (André Edouard Turcat).

Johnnie Johnson was the first man to attempt the launch, he took off from Freetown launch facility and breaks all previous height records. Maintains orbit for 108 minutes, completely circling the Earth once and touching down in the Atlantic via parachute. The ESA officially sends the first man into space.

Prior to takeoff he is commissioned into the newly formed European Space Agency Astronautics Corps as a Pilot-Officer, becoming the first of all future test pilots and the first true astronaut. Upon touchdown he recieves a promotion to Flight Lieutenant. All past and future test pilots of all nationalities will recieve the same honours.

The 4 other British funded launches succeed and reach space, though Robert Stanford Tuck is killed on June 14th by an explosion in the rocket fuel after ignition. The Frenchman, André Edouard Turcat, succeeds in launch and reaches space on May 24th. Unfortunately the German, Fritz Wendel, died on reentry earlier on April 15th, though not before becoming the first non-Briton into space.

In 1954 6 more successful attempts were made launching 2 Germans, 2 Britons and 2 Frenchmen into orbit. This was repeated in 1955 and looks set to do so again in 1956. During 1955 Britain's UKSAP (UK Satellite Agency Program) utilised the ESA launch facilities to launch a communications satellite network to serve Britain (more secretly spy and early warning satellites were also sent up) the ESA allows any member nation to do the same, using similar national programs, as part of it's treaty. Since 1954 the ESA has pioneered a new system of launches involving more active spacewalks and docking between two capsules (see RL Gemeni program).

In 1956 Germany has offered to research reuseable space planes as a national project prior to releasing the results to the ESA and hence reducing budget requirements. This has been deemed a suitable agreement by the other members.

The German government has also funded research into a space laboratory and have paid for the launches to set it up in 1959 but are looking for funding from the ESA members for maintenence costs.

Facilities

Queen Victoria Space Research Institute - encompassing several facilities on Heligoland comprising the central location for most ESA research.

Sierra Leone Launch Facility - facility outside of Freetown where the ESA's launches are handled, Britain provides a guard of the RAF regiment to protect the base and also handles recovery of escape capsules in the Atlantic from one of the Royal Navy's vessels on duty in the area.

Tracking stations - The ESA maintains several tracking stations around the world to track any large missile launches around the globe. This network includes stations in Sierra Leone, Heligoland and elsewhere, as well as a network of tracking ships to supplement them.

Members

United Kingdom
Germany
France
Netherlands
Belgium
Burgundy

Summary of projects

8 science satellites
3 suborbital missions
33 orbital missions (transporting 49 personnel into space)
6 Successful Probes 2 to the moon, 1 to Mars, 1 to Venus, 1 to Saturn, 1 to Jupiter
3 successful landers to the moon
1 Manned Orbital Laboratory
2 Suborbital Space Plane Missions

UK, German and French Satelite coverage for communications, early warning systems and intelligence gathering are maintained by the nations themselves but launched through the ESA.

3rd and final reserved post

The ESA launch results for 1956:

6 launches, 2 UK, 2 German, 2 French

All go without a hitch except for one of the French launches which suffers a freak failure in the heat shield and disintegrates on re-entry. Thus reminding the world of the continuing dangers of space travel.

British flags fly at half mast for the day as a mark of respect to all three pioneering astronauts who have died in the noble pursuit of space exploration.

May 1st- June 31st, 1957

Paris, France.

Thousands of Parisians flock to the public squares, gallaries and theaters where artists, performers, writers, musicians, cuisine, art and friendship is on display from all over Europe. At the museams, the many schools of both Modern and classic art can be seen, at the motion picture theaters, the works of Europe's finest directors can be watched with French translation, at the public squares, dishes from all over the continent can be sampled along with the entertainment of the street performers and at local hotels and assmblies many works of litrature can be found.

It was as all of Europe had come to the city, even those who weren't officially part of the program, although the spirit of coperatin was high, as expected several problems aros when a few radicals held protests on several political issues, thankfully due to the increased prescence of the police, these went as peacefully as it may be hoped.

Following the end of the month the program shall head over to another capital (London).

The ESA launches 3 manned missions in 1958 piloted by Dutch, Belgian and Burgundian personnel. All succeed in reaching full orbit and splashdown in the Atlantic with no problems. These are the first missions piloted by the new members of the ESA.

Also the Germans have funded research into the possibility of an orbital space laboratory for experimental research. They have offered to pay for the launches required to construct it but are looking for further investment from other members for the maintenence costs of such a great undertaking.

Space plane research also continues (presumably?).

1959

The ESA does no manned launches this year, awaiting 1960 so that a new 3 man launch vehicle can be tested. It does launch a landing probe at each of the Moon, Venus and Mars. The probes reach Venus and Mars, but the one destined to land on the Moon suffers a radio failure and no data can be retrieved from it.

The Venus probe disocvers temperatures in excess of 500C and pressure equal to 90 atmospheres.

The probe to Mars discovers a similar air pressure to that of the Earth and temperature ranging up to 20C, prompting some ESA scientists to theorise on the possibility of life on the planet. More probes are scheduled for next year.

OOC: Did we really not do any launches?

I'm positive I can scramble 5 points so we can do AT LEAST one. I'm sure Albania, Yugoslavia and BeNeBur can pull together one point a piece...

BTW, Germany will do it's first Space Plane mission this year and pending the results of that will hand the program over to the ESA.

EDIT: So I cancelled the changing of coal to oil (that can wait) and funnelled the extra 12 points to space missions. If the others can pull 3 more points then we can do 3 missions, or more probes.

BTW, when are they going to send the probe that has all the stuff about humanity into space?

Lastly, do we have a space Tracking Network? If not, use 5 of my points to make one. 2 Orbital missions is fine.

What type of Satelite Network We have?

We already have a space tracking netwrok, that is required for orbital launches.

Satellite netqorks will have to be paid for by individual nations through their own schemes otherwise things get a bit complicated with budgeting.

Cheers for the points Parthini, i'll do some launch rolls for last year and add them later, the research budget used a lot of the poitns.

1 one man launch is made in 1959, it is successful and the German pilot receivse valuable data regarding the effects of space in reference to the development of 3 man modules for next year.

An advanced space probe is also launched (10 points, cost Britain chips in 3 points from the 1959 intelligence budget surplus) with the mission to pass by several planets in the Solar System (including Jupiter and hopefully Neptune) before proceeding to leave the Solar System. Though data will only be received from it for the next 10 to 15 years due to the power supply it is hoped that by then some significant data can be retreived and then the probe can carry on and become an ambassador for Earth.

The probe carries images of humans, a "map" of the location of Earth and the Solar System shown by pulsar distances and a small selection of messages in various languages stating that the Earth is a friendly planet and wants friendship with any extraterrestrial life encountered. The probe will not reach another star system for at least 70,000 years but scientists remain hopeful that contact can eventually be established.

Actual scientific data received by the probe is likely to be of small consequence but many see it as an essential message to the galaxy.

In the latest EEC meeting, the German Ambassador brings up the following:

In his belief, the UK has strayed too far from their friends of Europe. No longer is there the cooperation that made the EEC what it was. The UK has slowly drifted towards America, and after denying the Daresalaam Treaty, very quickly joined the OA. This is a move that was highly unpopular in Germany.

Now Germany sees the last great connection between Britain and the EEC, the ESA, slowly falling apart. Launches have been increasingly infrequent and German Intel shows that Britain is working to send up a joint American-British MOL, while Germany has paid for all of the MOL so that the ESA may use it.

The German Ambassador, in the belief of the spirit of cooperation in Europe proclaims that the EEC should extend to a military alliance, that would ensure that all members come to the aid of any other member who is attacked. Germany believes that if Britain is unwilling to agree to such a term, then Britain would not be able to fully cooperate with Europe as a whole, and as such, relations with Britain would be dependant upon such.

Kennedy, in a news conference, comfirms that the US continues its traditional friendship with Belgium, Spain and Portugal and its friendship with Burgundy and the Netherlands as well as Italy. Friendship and ties between France and the US are better than at any time this century.

"I don't know why the Germans are nervous about the OA, after all, its not as if the OA is meddling in the Middle East or Central Asia where Germany gets its oil."

Perhaps if the ESA works with NASA in regards to more scientific (probes and such) launches a feeling of cooperation between east and west can be achieved.

Britain supports the French idea of cooperation between the ESA, NASA and the OSA in the spirit of focussing research so that areas are not needlessly covered more than once. Britain makes it public that she has been pursuing a space program with the USA in the interest of bringing about more cooperation and less animosity between Europe and the Western Hemisphere but has no regrets about going behind the ESA's backs to see whether this plan would work.

Britain makes it known that the nation and government is strongly opposed to a European military alliance and such an agreement would likely precipitate a withdrawal from the EEC and ESA.

Cooperation with the European Space Agency in space exploration is a very laudable goal and the US is willing to partner with them.

In Germany, many Berliners are angry at the British rejection of the EEC defense amendment. Several protests are held outside of the British Embassy, although the Berlin Police Force ensures that nothing but words are thrown at the Embassy. The Kaiserin, who recently returned from South Africa, and Chancellor, however, say nothing.

Debates in the Reichstag ensue. Many in the FDP and elsewhere echo the American President's question and ask why something so drastic is needed. The CDU, however begins taking a hardline stance and pushes for angry moves towards Britain. However, all anti-British legislation is blocked by the FDP and the more moderate CDU members.

In the Luftwaffe, however, many are intrigued at the possibility of more cooperation. Some feel that the ESA is too constrictive of an entity for Germany's goals and feel that cooperation with America would allow for more exploration. However, several others feel that joining with the Americans would mean less independance for the German Space Program. All is dependant on the upcoming elections in 1960, which many feel will determine the future of Germany for the next several decades.

Now, Now let's not get too hasty. Perhaps a Defensive Pact is what my German collegue meant, not a full blown Military alliance. Where we would stand as one in the extremely unlikely event if that one of us is illeagaly attacked by some wacko regime. This would be in no way a response to the OA or any other alliance.

Let's face it Gentlemen, in these times of weapons of mass destruction. Traditional warefare is highly unlikely for sensible nations. Therefore we propose this Defensive Pact which would be in reality just ceremonial and boosting cooeration in Europe if we just continue with keeping our wits on us.

OOC: After all, That is what the SU is doing...

OOC: What exactly is the difference? Either way, that's kind of what I asked for.

And since I didn't post it here...

IC:The Luftwaffe proudly announces that its Space Plane mission was a complete success. The Space Plane called the Siegfried, was launched off of a DO 337 over Germany and went into suborbital levels, flying around for a few hours. It then landed in Munich with all systems functioning.

Shortly after, the Luftwaffe announced it will hand over the Space Plane organization to the ESA, although the Luftwaffe will keep the Siegfried for its own purposes.

All other Space Plane research will be conducted via the ESA. It is hoped that the Space Planes will be able to suppliment the new Orbital Labratory that will be launched next year.

OOC: Well one is offensive and defensive and the other is just defensive. But one can argue in a conflict on whois the offensive party and who is the defensive.

OOC: Oh. Well, that's what I meant.

Britain notes that a defensive pact would not be as objectionable as an offensive alliance and is willing to discuss matters further.

Excellent! We, the French, knew that a deal can worked out, afterall we are all men of the world. Gentleman, A toast for Europe...

Vive la Europe...

OOC: But unfortunately in RL, I have A-Level exams coming up and will be only sporadically, so do you think you guys can work things out so we can move to other grounds...

OOC: But unfortunately in RL, I have A-Level exams coming up and will be only sporadically, so do you think you guys can work things out so we can move to other grounds...

OOC:It's alright me too: Physics, Maths, Geography and Chemistry coming up in a few weeks time.

A simple enough defensive policy is that we all agree to either supply or declare war on an offensive nation that actually attacks a member nation.

OOC: I gots finals too. Damned High School... It's only going to get worse...

Germany agrees that a simple defensive amendment where all members agree to militarily assist a member nation that is attacked.

We also wish to welcome our newest member, Spain!

We also believe that the EEC should begin to work together to create more benefits for the European Community. The last economic benefit that has come out of this was the Nuclear Program and that should change.

Lastly, Germany brings up the question of admitting new members. How should it be done?

Now with suitable number of members admission can be by vote? With some intial basic conditions like Democracy, must be a European nation, maybe must contribute to at least one of the EEC projects that benefit everybody and other conditions like that...

Perhaps we should make some criteria for EEC membership, something along the line of the Copenhagen Criteria?

Maybe the Koln Criteria :p

France Announces that it will be spending 12 points annualy on pollution controls technology which, when completed in 6 years, will be shared by EEC members. Furthermore it is noted to the British that 2 more points will be transfered to the space program making it a total of twelve points.

Germany thanks the French government for its willingness to help the European Community.

Germany also puts forward a motion to allow entry for Czechoslovakia into the EEC. Czechoslovakia is an economically and militarily stable nation. It is known for being able to produce excellent tanks and planes, as well as having a good deal of coal. It also is strategically located next to the CSPS, and while no open hostility between the EEC and CSPS is currently there, the possibility is there and Germany would feel glad to have Czechoslovakia on its side.

Germany also puts forward a motion to establish a series of clauses that determine the ability of other nations to join. The Empire believes it should include something about Geography, Economic stability, Defensive capability (i.e. it should be able to defend itself, at least somewhat), and allow wide-ranging political freedoms. There should also be a strong desire to help the entire European Community as a whole, and a desire to explore the stars should also be there.

Germany also announces that it will be deploying a second MOL this year and will man it with a joint team. The first MOL will also be exchanged with a mixed team.

Germany also announced that it has paid for a series of launches to the Middle Planets: Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus. Three separate probes will be launched this year to explore and research about those planets. Germany has also announced its desire to send probes to the outer planets, Neptune and Pluto, as well as several probes to the famed asteroid belt.

ooc
just remember that there is an impressive travel time lag to reach the outer planets from Earth

ooc
just remember that there is an impressive travel time lag to reach the outer planets from Earth

OOC: Yeah, that's why I'm starting early :p Plus it's something I can say I beat you to.

Parthini']Germany thanks the French government for its willingness to help the European Community.

Germany also puts forward a motion to allow entry for Czechoslovakia into the EEC. Czechoslovakia is an economically and militarily stable nation. It is known for being able to produce excellent tanks and planes, as well as having a good deal of coal. It also is strategically located next to the CSPS, and while no open hostility between the EEC and CSPS is currently there, the possibility is there and Germany would feel glad to have Czechoslovakia on its side.

Germany also puts forward a motion to establish a series of clauses that determine the ability of other nations to join. The Empire believes it should include something about Geography, Economic stability, Defensive capability (i.e. it should be able to defend itself, at least somewhat), and allow wide-ranging political freedoms. There should also be a strong desire to help the entire European Community as a whole, and a desire to explore the stars should also be there.

We would welcome them whole-heartedly, in additon we support the German proposed clauses.

Germany puts forward a motion to invite the Kingdom of Bulgaria into the EEC.

Bulgaria has a strong economy, the strongest in the Balkans, and while some political instability occasionaly disturbs the Kingdom, Bulgaria has generally been a peaceful nation, which has always granted political freedoms similar to those in EEC countries.

Bulgaria has also been very active in Cultural events and has shown a willingness to contribute to the European Culture wholeheartedly.

The Bulgarian Army has shown a willingness to assist in defending freedom, while at the same time has shown caution in using force.

Lastly, Bulgaria has potential to assist the ESA in exploring the stars. Bulgarian assistance would be welcomed with open arms by the Empire.

OOC: Not to mention having another PC nation would be cool.

France Announces that it will be spending 12 points annualy on pollution controls technology which, when completed in 6 years, will be shared by EEC members. Furthermore it is noted to the British that 2 more points will be transfered to the space program making it a total of twelve points.

Britain makes known it's own program with the same aims that has already achieved 48 points out of 72 of investment and will be complete within 2 more years. Britain would be more than happy to share the results with the entire EEC and save the French some points for other projects. Perhaps those to improve other aspects of the EEC or ESA. Britain also promises more investment in the ESA next year to similar levels as the intensive German involvement.

Britain makes known it's own program with the same aims that has already achieved 48 points out of 72 of investment and will be complete within 2 more years. Britain would be more than happy to share the results with the entire EEC and save the French some points for other projects. Perhaps those to improve other aspects of the EEC or ESA. Britain also promises more investment in the ESA next year to similar levels as the intensive German involvement.

then the twelve points will be transfered to a new project which we propose:

The construction of an undersea rail tunnel across the English Channel from Calais to Folkestone.

Britain wholeheartedly supports the French proposal (OOC: It'll have to be examined by realism mods first, though there shouldn't be any problems, around a dozen such tunnels have been proposed since 1800 and the current tunnel was originally scheduled to start in 1973 anyway) and will offer the services of several engineering contractors to supplement any French labour. In addition Britiain proposes a pipeline across the channel to allow North Sea gas to be shared if necessary (all the oil is currently being used) between the nations of Europe, electricity cables could also be laid.

OOC: I assume you're cool with inviting Czechoslovakia and Bulgaria?

IC: Germany also puts forward the idea of refurbishing the current Rail System that runs through Europe.

Before the Communist Empire, Germany created a massive Trans-Eurasian Railroad. While Germany has kept its rail system up to date, much of Europe still lags behind, with some nations' railroads nearly 40 years old. Germany proposes a refurbishment and restandardization of the European Railroads so as to unite Europe with steel.

Germany would just like to inform the EEC of last years German ESA contributions as well as this years increase.

As of 1960:

Space Plane Research (X-20)-6 points

2 Suborbital Space Plane Missions-free

German MOL-20 points
2 MOL 3 man Crew Launches-20 points

Improved Spy Satellite Network-6 points
Improved Communications Satellite Network-6 points

ESA Research-4 points
ESA Missions-32 points
Jupiter Space Probe-3 points
Saturn Space Probe-4 points
Uranus Space Probe-5 points

This is on top of the MOL already constructed in placed into orbit in late 1959.

Germany also inquires about the possibility of coordinating the Satellite networks. Surely a European Communications satellite network could be possible, although Germany believes that the Spy Networks of each individual nation should remain autonomous, if it desires. However, that does not mean that intelligence can not and should not be shared among members.

(I'm sure we could share the price of the Improved Communication satellite price: Ger:1 UK:1 FRA:1 SPA:1 YUGO:1 BENEBUR:1 or something)

On the subject, Germany believes that a clause should be established that if a member nation of the EEC has recieved intelligence that involves the national security of another (i.e. Bulgaria is about to be invaded by Greece), then the member nations should be required to share that information with other members.

So we are agreed: A vast European Rail program, (OOC: of course mods need to define the costs) which inludes the Chunnel Project. In addtion to the British pipeline as a seperate project.

As for the membership of Bulgaria and Czechslovakia we cannot see a reason why not to...

Updated main page with 1960/61 space results, the Uranus launch fails but the rest succeed. 4x3 man space launches are made and 3 of 4 moon landers succeed.

Britain votes to admit Bulgaria and Czechslovakia and they enter the EEC.

Ok, so we have the rule where a comm sat network covers 200 million. If you would like, I can try to set up a system for everything where like the UK, France and Spain share one; Italy and Southern Europe share one, and Germany and Central Europe share one, or something. Of course, Spy Satellites and Early Warning are separate all together.

Sure, go ahead Britain is around 53 million at this stage, Spain about 31 million, Netherlands 11 million, Belgium 9 million, Burgundy around 1 million, France 46 million, Italy 50 million. If that helps a little, though room will have to be left for a small expansion of populations, though not too much...

Is the front page up to date with everything Britain has done?

UK-53
Germany-90
BeNeBur-21

=164

Spain-31
France-44
Italy-50
Albania-2
Yugoslavia-12
Slovenia-2
Greece-10
Bulgaria-10
Czechoslovakia-10

=181

Basically, we have an extra satellite network. Two if you count the Lowlands'. If we group it like this, it leaves plenty of room for us to expand, while Southern Europe isn't likely to expand much.

Either way, we could set up another group, since I didn't put in Rumania and Hungary...

Is the front page up to date with everything Britain has done?

Yep it should be.

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The staellite networks seem to be fine, i'll set aside funds to pay for them out of the main ESA budget next year so we can all save some cash instead of paying for them seperately.

Couldn't we just reprogram the current networks to serve different groups?

Parthini']Couldn't we just reprogram the current networks to serve different groups?

doesn't work that way at this tech level (hardware is read only memory and not reprogramable). Essentially the satellites don't last that long anyway, a couple of years, so you just replace them with new satellites in different orbits for different users.

doesn't work that way at this tech level (hardware is read only memory and not reprogramable). Essentially the satellites don't last that long anyway, a couple of years, so you just replace them with new satellites in different orbits for different users.

Ah, well could we just set them differently next year when the replacement happens?

How are we going to pay for the satellite systems? Do you want to pay two points, I pay three points and BeNeBur pay one point, to have an equal ratio?

Germany brings up the subject of paving the way for Italy's admission into the EEC. It is of Germany's belief that Italy's new Government, combined with Germany's aid package would allow for Italy to be invited by 1965 at the earliest.

More secretly, Germany also questions the possibility of assisting and even inviting Belarus when it becomes independant. Germany believes that Belarus would be more prosperous under EEC guidance than that of the CSPS.

Whichever, I don't mind. Seems fairer on BeNeBur to only make them pay for one points worth though so teh first option is probably the best.

We agree with the acceptance of Italy, However we would like the EEC to specify an official response to the situation in Russia.

Before joining the OA, Germany contacts the EEC. Germany believes that the EEC and OA have much in common and would do well to merge (as they call it).

Germany thus believes that the EEC should merge with the OA. Germany believes that only if all EEC members are allowed to join, will Germany join.

(I don't think you didn't invite anyone. I'm sure Yugoslavia and Albania would join if invited and Czechoslovakia wouldn't mind, since they're close with Germany.)

The Kingdom would like to join the ESA as a member and would intend to be partners with the American NASA and the other major Space Agencies if possible.

Bulgaria is interested in developing and launching rockets as well as helping others, but we can not have a full blown program with only a population of 7.5 Million people...

As a full member of the EEC, Bulgaria is entitled to membership in the ESA, so long as Bulgaria fiscally contributes to the cause.

A simple annual payment of say, 6-10 points should be sufficient for a nation the size of Bulgaria. In that simple payment would include regular Manned Missions with Bulgarian Astronauts in orbiters as well as pilots for Space Planes, and a spot in one of the two EEC MOLs. (1 is Germany's, for use for dirty things like nukes and laser cannons... just kidding... for now)

OOC: 6-10 Points is a pretty general payment. If you give more, you get more, basically. Oh, and you get the Improved Satellite Network anyways. But welcome to the club!

And how does Bulgaria feel about joining the OA?

We are definitely willing to contribute to the ESA...and are willing to partner if not be involved with the OA as well, but we are not sure about joining the OA yet...

OOC: What happened to Italy?

IC: Germany puts forward a motion for setting timelines for future invitations to the EEC.

For:
Italy
Ireland
Rumania
Hungary
Greece
Portugal

Germany also presents the possibility of inviting others including:

Armenia-Georgia
Southern Cyprus
Belarus
Russia
Iceland

We support most of those in question, although we have minor concerns about Russia joining the EEC as they are by themselves are more in size than the whole EEC put together and are not bordering any EEC nations. Although eventual membership would be acceptable, we feel that we should focus more on initiating inter-European projects with new members.

But, We disagree with allowing Greece to enter the EEC on grounds of their Authoritarian Government (They state that they are fascist) and their hostile attitude towards european neighbors, however we might agree to their partial membership if they come to some sort of agreement with their Balkan neighbors.

Britain supports the German proposal whilst remaining concerned about the introduction of Greece and Russia for the reasons listed by France.

OOC: ESA/OASA merger going through in the next year, I am talking to GB about how to do it.

Germany understands, although it must press that Greece, while seemingly fascist, remains a popular government, and has made no aggressive movements in the past several years. The reduction of the size of their military also presents a promising note.

However, Germany will accept the current beliefs and will push for Greece to establish friendlier relations with its neighbors.

Germany also presents the question of when these nations should be invited? Should it be a staggered thing, with some being invite later?

Perhaps we should invite, in this order:

1963: Italy, Ireland
2 to 4 more years: Portugal
3 to 6 more years: Rumania, Hungary

Germany feels that Ireland and Italy are ready for invitation, Portugal may take more time, and Rumania and Hungary will be ready when the Oil Pipeline is finished.

Greek Cyprus has petitioned for entry into the EEC, after the recent invitation sent to Turkish Cyprus.

Germany is unsure about the idea of inviting a country so far from any other EEC member. However, Cyprus is strong economically, and relatively stable after the recent troubles, and would provide a gateway for membership for Greece.

Parthini']Greek Cyprus has petitioned for entry into the EEC, after the recent invitation sent to Turkish Cyprus.

Germany is unsure about the idea of inviting a country so far from any other EEC member. However, Cyprus is strong economically, and relatively stable after the recent troubles, and would provide a gateway for membership for Greece.

ooc
advisors would recommend inviting Greece if Greek Cyprus is invited

OOC: Well, Germany wants to invite Greece, but apparently fasicsts aren't too popular around here...

As Greece has agreed to a meeting to discuss a non-aggression treaty with their neighbors, we shall begin considering them for membership for the EEC depending on the nature of their fascisim, after all if the Greek majority approve of this government and major oppression is found then their membership is feasable.

Seeing concerns about Russia's induction into the EEC, the government asks the following to be put into consideration:

-The majority of Russian people, if not land, are in Europe, and most of Russian trade goes through the Black Sea to European nations, and even more could be directed at Europe if the UN-ordered plebecite in St. Petersburg were upheld.
-Russia has the available resources (? coal, 16 oil, 18 natural gas) to provide much of the EEC with resources, decreasing demand on the increasingly volatile Middle East.
-Economists say that, while many European nations are reaching plateaus in industrial growth, Russia has plenty of room for growth (slightly over 50% max productivity), and induction could mean lower prices for almost all goods in all member nations.

We have no problems at this time with Russian membership, but we were stating the possible concerns.

OOC: But I figure you are in good relations with most of the EEC so you would get in regardless of French position.

Italy, in light of recent events, feels that friends are more needed than ever, and requests entry into the EEC in 1965.

OOC: Why? Shouldn't The Entry of Italy should have been concluded by 1963? along with Ireland as in coordination with Parth's program?

OOC: Sorry, I must have missed all of this discussion somehow. I'll update the front page.

I think what happened is that when 1963 rolled around, we were all really busy doing something or other. But consider the invatations sent, and if they agree, Italy and Ireland are now members of the EEC.

Ireland joins the EEC. It also is willing to provide a brigade to assist with disaster relief operations but will not be ready to do so until August 1964

So, I'm assuming in 1965 that Hungary, Greece, Portugal, Poland and Rumania are given the invite?

Also, Talks about inviting Russia and even Armenia-Georgia should begin.

Lastly, now that we pwn, I think we should think of some stuff, like a Flag, a Motto an Anthem and other stuff.

My vote from an Anthem is to copy the EU and use Ode to Joy. I have some ideas for a motto: Brotherhood, Justice, Triumph. But if you guys have other ideas, shoot.

BTW, are we going to change our name?

The following is the perliminary reports of the Comision, all European nations along with food production are listed.

(OOC: I used current food rules, but I got population from this site (http://www.library.uu.nl/wesp/populstat/populhome.html), so if there is any error it is most likely to come from using these values for population rather than game values, but I hope the mods will show guidance)

(FP: Food Production after Modifiers, RQ: Food Required)
Nations In need:
Russia: FP: 23.15, RQ: 126.31, Total: -103.16
Germany: FP: 23.81, RQ: 82.00, Total: -58.19
Ukraine: FP: 7.82, RQ: 45.13, Total: -37.31
United Kingdom: FP: 21.90, RQ: 54.40, Total: -32.50
Poland: FP: 4.36, RQ: 31.55, Total: -27.19
Romania: FP: 14.53, RQ: 27.00, Total: -12.47
Scandic Union: FP: 14.91, RQ: 20.83, Total: -5.92
Czechslovakia: FP: 8.25, RQ: 14.00, Total: -5.75
Belarus: FP: 4.00, RQ: 8.60, Total: -4.60
Bulgaria: FP: 4.00, RQ: 8.22, Total: -4.22
Hungary: FP: 6.25, RQ: 10.16, Total: -3.91
Georgia: FP: 1.24, RQ: 4.50, Total: -3.26
Belgium: FP: 7.00, RQ: 9.50, Total: -2.50
Azerbeijan: FP: 2.30, RQ: 4.5, Total: -2.20
Latvia: FP: 0.69, RQ: 2.24, Total: -1.55
Armenia: FP: 1.30, RQ: 2, Total: -0.70
Estonia: FP: 0.80, RQ: 1.30, Total: -0.50
Slovenia: FP: 1.5, RQ: 1.66, Total: -0.16

Nations with Surplus:
France: FP: 79.43, RQ: 49.00, Total: +30.43
Spain: FP: 53.35, RQ: 32.26, Total: +21.09
Turkey: FP: 50.43, RQ: 31.40, Total: +19.03
Greece: FP: 21.10, RQ: 10.50, Total: +10.60
Ireland: FP: 10.90, RQ: 2.90, Total: +7.92
Portugal: FP: 13.50, RQ: 8.90, Total: +4.60
Yugoslavia: FP: 12.58, RQ: 8.00, Total: +4.58
Switzerland: FP: 8.42, RQ: 5.88, Total: +2.54
Italy: FP: 54.58, RQ: 52.32, Total: +2.26
Netherlands: FP: 14.20, RQ: 12.2, Total: +2.00
Iceland: FP: 1.81, RQ: 0.20, Total: +1.61
Albania: FP: 3 points, RQ: 3, Total: zero

Net required food imports= 225.1 points
Value= 22.51 production points

Nigeria offers to sell excess food to the EU.

((OOC: I've got about ten extra points))

OOC: Hmm.. that list looks off, considering I have a population of 82 million, not 14 :p

GB got his list from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_agricultural_output

Rumania gladly accepts the invite to join the EEC/EU.

((My pop is 21 Mil.))

OOC: Yep, sorry about that wrote that up at 1AM, now after another look I can see that some populations are just plain rediculous, so I'm revising them now.

EDIT: There, fixed, If there are any mistakes please notify me.

Germany looks good. Good job!

I'll send any spare points I have into the "European Food Fund."

EDIT:

Also, someone needs to calculate all the European Aid, not just food. If you want to do it Abbassia, that would be good. Otherwise I'll do it. I'll also tell you how much aid was given by my NPCs.

Rumania politely inquires as to whether membership in the ESA is possible. They can begin funding starting in 1966, though the amount of money coming in may fluctuate until the economy becomes stable again.

In 1965 Hungary, Greece, Cyprus, Portugal, Poland, Belarus and Rumania are given invitations.

Talks with Swiss officials, who were rather displeased at the radiation effects on their country, begin.

Discussions begin about invitations for the Ukraine and SU, or at least a cooperation between the EEC and CSPS that would lead to a future merger.

Germany also asks about the potential for an invitation for members not on the European continent. Examples are given of the fact that Italy, via Somalia and Libya, is on the African continent. However, just because they are on the African continent, does that make them any less? Jerusalem, Morocco and Algeria are provided as examples of potential examples, at least for Economic benefits.

On Febuary 12, 1970 Ministers from South Africa, Britain and Germany meet in Windhoek to discuss the reworking of the Treaty of Daresalaam. At the meeting, all three agree that the ToD has many good points, but bumps with Germany have caused it to fraction multiple times. Now however, with closer ties in the EEC and closer ties with South Africa due to immigration, the three nations have agreed to re-ratify the treaty.

However, and most importantly, all three have agreed to expand the signatures past the three of them. After the signing, all three agree to let other nations sign. Included in the invitation are members of the EEC, hoping that it can be a treaty to solidify the ties of Europe, as well as EEC allies. Thus:

EEC
Huron
New England
Dixie
Texas
Mexico
Arab Federation
United Islamic Republic
Any member of the Commonwealth of Nations
Jerusalem
Syria
Ethiopia
Congo
Iceland

are specifically invited to join. Other nations are informed that if they wish to further their ties with the EEC or CoN that they should apply for signatory status.

The Goal of the Treaty of Daresalaam is to provide a mutual protection for all signatories as well as to further the cause of World Peace. The Treaty of Daresalaam does not specify that other treaties are invalid, but hopes that all treaties might be treated as quests for peace and thus equal to the ToD. It also specifies that, like the EEC, no memeber is a lesser to any other member, and even members such as Liechtenstein are invited and welcomed, as long as their goals are paramount to the universal goal of World Peace and Brotherhood.

The UIR has seen the error in its ways and wishes to join the Treaty of Daresalaam as soon as possible. With Indian (and possibly Chinese) funded rebels in our country, our nation needs all the support it can get. The current sitaution in Asia means we shall need all the help that can be sent. As a token of goodwill, the UIR has ordered any oil required by EEC nations be given to them (can you say 75 surplus oil?)

OOC: Well, you can't exactly JOIN the EEC since you aren't in Europe, but you sure can join the Treaty of Daresalaam :)

Parthini']OOC: Well, you can't exactly JOIN the EEC since you aren't in Europe, but you sure can join the Treaty of Daresalaam :)

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OOC: What is the next mission for the ESA?

We have 3 space shuttles going up next year, continuing moon landings (we've done about a dozen already I think) and getting as many satellite networks up as possible (deep radar, spy, GPS and comms). There's also plans to get a Mir-esque station operational by combining 3 of the MOLs we have up there.

Though as ever the schedule is limited by budgetary concerns, British contribution will fall from 70 last year to 30 this year due to the airforce rules changing and an RAF modernisation scheme so i'm hoping the other nations can cover a little for me until next year. Considering Britain has been consistantly the largest contributer to the ESA since 1965 I am hoping you guys can accept this!

I really want to get full coverage of the world in spy satellites (4 networks) as well as every other satellite network possible in the coming year, before anyone else does and claim it as another victory for the ESA. Further to that I want to get loads of space shuttle missions in to rack up experience on them (they can be armed in times of war so it's useful to have experienced shuttle crews) as well as more lunar landings so that we can establish experience of lunar conditions, hopefully for a permenent base there when tech develops.

But it's all down to the budget really, the inclusion of African nations and Kuwait has helped though so we should manage most of the above, just need to get as much as possible.

By the way the Netherlands has sent 2 people to the moon as part of the ESA program in the last few years so you already have some experience of space.

Well I think every year I will give 14 points to the ESA. So I hope that can help some. Also I might cut off my loaning and give 13 more points to the ESA. Thank you for giving me the information. Also to me it sounds like the ESA is the NASA of E20.

The UIR requests a secondary membership into the EEC, citing good relations with France, Germany, and Rumania.

Netherlands doesn't think that letting the UIR into the EEC is a good idea. Right now the UIR is not on a good level with India. So this might drag us in a war that will happen very soon. Maybe in the future we can let the UIR in.

Netherlands doesn't think that letting the UIR into the EEC is a good idea. Right now the UIR is not on a good level with India. So this might drag us in a war that will happen very soon. Maybe in the future we can let the UIR in.


The UIR responds that the Netherlands joined the Treaty of Der es Salaam after the UIR did, and the tenets of the treaty was mutual defense. Why is the Netherlands holding a double standard?

The UIR also responds unless attacked or a decision cleared with other ToD members, no attack will be made on India

Netherlands is privately assured that no alliance would be allowed to drag itself into a senseless war without due cause.

Netherlands then supports the entry of the UIR as a secondary memeber.

Rumania whole heartedly supports the netrance of the UIR into the EEC as a secondary member.

Germany calls for the EEC to issue a complete oil embargo on the nations of India and China for their blantant schemes against the UIR, a friend and ally of the EEC.

The German delegate attempts to catch the eye of the Russians, hoping that they will go along.

The Netherlands accepts Germanys idea and will embargo oil from India and China.

Britain will implement an oil embargo on India and China, though it will have little effect on them or Britain, North Sea Oil being just enough to provide for British needs.

Several German Statesmen and the Chancellor himself begin calling for EEC reform and even so much as a name change.

"The European Community, now, after welcoming our Swiss bretheren, encompasses all of the European Continent. We are more than a simple Economic Alliance. We are a Brotherhood of Nations which share a common goal. Thus, to emphasise our new Unity, we need a name change, and in fact several new policy changes."

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Several EEC councillors begin pushing for a Pan European Intelligence Agency to assist Europe in stopping criminals and spies. The fledgling Europol is cited as a good example and several plans to perhaps increase Europol to have more staff and more duties are made.

They include:

A European Intelligence Agency-5 points a year
A European Digital Satellite Network-80 points every 5 years
Counter-Terrorism Special Forces Units-1 point per Unit

Germany puts forward the Example of the German GSG-9 Counter Terrorism Unit which, if Europol is increased, would be placed under the jurisdiction of Europol so as to combat terrorism across the Continent. Germany suggests that 5-7 of these units be created and, along with thier Transport Helicopter assistance and pilot units, that they be placed under Europol with EEC member spending and staffing to help make Europe a safer place.

Germany also suggests that a 1-2 point annual fund be collected from each EEC member to help fund Europol. With those points, it would be able to pay for 4 Digital Reconnaisance Satellites which would provide for world-wide coverage. With that coverage, any European Nation would be allowed to use data taken from the satellites to be used for their own needs, as long as those needs do not harm other EEC members. As for the Intelligence Agency, its use would be towards espionage protection for all EEC members.

Rumania agreees with Germany about increasing Europol and funding Anti-terrorism units for use across the continent. Rumania would be happy to put forth money from it's budget to support Europol each year, and is considering recuriting it's own Anti-Terrorism unit from within it's armed forces.

The Netherlands applauds Germanys idea and thinks that it should be accept as a rule within the EEC.

The Russian Federation supports Germany idea of creating a Pan European Intelligence Agency