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This is the OOC sign up thread for all relatively new nations so we can have our own small war and have a little fun without interference from massive overwhelmingly powerful countries with more carrier fleets than we have infantry. (no offence to said nations :) )

Concept:

The concept is as follows: About 213 kilometres off the Veragon coast is an unclaimed landmass, called Lordis, there are a couple of small settlements, mostly temporary science stations and a couple of independent fishing villages and farming communities headed up by a central authority based at the only deepwater port, a small town of about 20,000. Veragon researchers have discovered however, significant deposits of raw materials, specifically, large oil deposits in the eastern section. The local goverment lacks the money and authority to develop this resource, and a significant source of oil would be a significant economic boon to any nation, but would be especially helpful to small nations as it would provide a steady, and significant, source of income and a base for expansion across the landmass. With that said, the Veragon army deploys a trio of light infantry companies with a tasking of some towed howitzers, a quarter of utility choppers, and a handful of light armoured section combat vehicles to seize control. The handful of local police command only a hundred AKs and surrender without a fight, but the local magistrate sends out a plea for aid from Veragon's imperial expansion.

Rules:

- Small, relative new nations only
- Nation can team up in small groups, but no all out alliances
- Realistically speaking, a 15-25 million citizen nation is unlikely to field aircraft carriers and the such, so naval forces are limited to ambphibious assault ships, destroyers, cruisers, frigates, etc.
- The main focus of this RP will be on land forces, with limited naval engagements and the obvious air element necessary
- No godmodding (obviously)
- Realistic, modern technologies only, so no 140mm ETC guns on hydrogen powered tanks that only weigh 40 tons and are airborne capable.
- Max of 8 nations
- Keep it civil
- OOC discussions for OOC thread

Players:

1. Veragon
2. Royal Italty
3. Valens Res Publica
4. Mokey Fights
5. Ustia
6. Crintope
7. Gizmous
8. Upper Weston

OOC: I'd love to join, I have homework to do now though if you accept me I'll start RP'ing in about an hour.

I'm in if I'm not to big. (little younger than a month old)

Sounds cool. My nation isen't brand spanken new but its only a few weeks old so sign me up!

(OOC)Same for me, I would like to join, I'm just not sure if im too big.

I'll start making an IC thread right away. If you are on the bigger side, thats fine, just keep your force levels at us smaller guys' level.

OOC: Yey for having top of the line weapons and having a Militaristic
government which calls for every single person to serve thier military as long as they are over the age of 17 under 80 and are physically & mentally capable.

Ahh man I was itching to use my new ICBM's! :D

Ahh man I was itching to use my new ICBM's! :DOOC: They wouldn't be able to get into 15 miles of my countries national borders. Thank a single high powered (THEL) system for that.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10845106#post10845106


Valens, please don't use that new uber rifle of yours, I still have issues with its effective range. I'm not saying you CAN'T, I'm just asking that you either don't, or tone it down a bit.

(OOC: They wouldn't be able to get into 15 miles of my countries national borders. Thank a single high powered (THEL) system for that.)

How says I was going to nuke you? I wouldn't use them anyways. The only reason why I have them is for a last resort like if my nation was about to be taken over.

I am thinking of joining this.

(OOC: They wouldn't be able to get into 15 miles of my countries national borders. Thank a single high powered (THEL) system for that.)

How says I was going to nuke you? I wouldn't use them anyways. The only reason why I have them is for a last resort like if my nation was about to be taken over.OOC: Whoops thought that was a threat about nuking me.

Feel free to start posting IC (link is in previous post)

Now I'm interested in this (THEL) system. What is it?

EDIT: Tactical High Energy Laser (THEL). It just mixes deuterium fluoride (chemical laser) at high compression and you get high amounts of energy from the mixtures. You can then control the direction of the released energy to make a directed laser.

Okay, Valens, there's some issue with your capabilities. You only have a good economy and six million people. However, you seem to have better capabilities than frightening, billion man economies. Space programs are expensive, require significant infrastructure to develop and construct satellites and rockets to send them up, and anti-missile lasers, those are even more expensive and would cost billions to develop an effective system. Throw in your rifle from god and you realistically cannot have this stuff. You have some cool ideas, but you really need to hold off on the satellite networks and lasers until you have a far superior economy and are considerably larger.

Thank god for that! I thought that he was one of those huge nations. wehhh!

Please make a map of Lordis.

Okay, Valens, there's some issue with your capabilities. You only have a good economy and six million people. However, you seem to have better capabilities than frightening, billion man economies. Space programs are expensive, require significant infrastructure to develop and construct satellites and rockets to send them up, and anti-missile lasers, those are even more expensive and would cost billions to develop an effective system. Throw in your rifle from god and you realistically cannot have this stuff. You have some cool ideas, but you really need to hold off on the satellite networks and lasers until you have a far superior economy and are considerably larger.OOC: Are you kidding me? (THEL) system's are frighteningly cheap to produce and maintain. At 3k a kill, and between because I don't know the figures for construction; should be between 1 and 3 million. Maintinance should be nothing because all you are doing is making sure that the mirror doesn't melt and your good.

Oooh, this looks like a good RP. Can I join?

I've only got 16 million people and about 120,000 troops. Can get in on this?

I am a small terrorist nation dedicates to sewing despotism across the world. Perhaps I could join this?

Perhaps I can join as well?

Loudain, Elgernon, unfortunately we already have eight nations. However, after this RP we can run another one and have you join in it.

Valens, the RL THEL is a testbed platform. It also costs billions to develop, perhaps greater than a six million person can afford. You also have not addressed the issues regarding your satellite networks. BTW, the picture has been put up.

MAP, I can make it if you give me dimensions and rough locations.

Loudain, Elgernon, unfortunately we already have eight nations. However, after this RP we can run another one and have you join in it.

Valens, the RL THEL is a testbed platform. It also costs billions to develop, perhaps greater than a six million person can afford. You also have not addressed the issues regarding your satellite networks. BTW, the picture has been put up.OOC: Million's to develop; as the development would be retardedly simple. Choose the metal for the containing the reaction and the metal would be Alumina-Oxide to make sure the mirrors don't melt. The mirrors then refract the energy in the direction I want. Done...

// Stellites //

I don't have an 'Array' I have 1 KH-12 spy satellites which can hover in geo-syncronis over a single point on Earth being that small Island Lordis to feed me real time info and then I have GPS satellites which are owned by private companies which I have commandeered for the battle alone. Done...

Well, even though this RP is already full, I think I'd like to participate in one along similar lines after this one is over. And if any of the other players fail to participate I'd be glad to join in, of course allowing Loudain and Elgernon a chance to join as they were ahead of me.

GIVE ME A BREAK

If you guys don't realize, tou're not supposed to / allowed to tell the other nation what they have lost. The airport for example, you should have stated you dropped your bombs and let Veragon decide what damage it did. Also, WTF Valens Res Publica, I hope you realize your not God. You even told someone else not to God mod yet you brashly declare you WILL take out my whole fleet! Veragon already has thousands of troops on the island, so you think your 'HALO boys' will be able to secure the perimeter!?!?!?!? Also, my fleet is two days out form the island, there is no way on earth you could send "one plane to destroy my fleet" of 20 ships. IMPOSSIBLE. And where are you launching your planes from! You country, realistacly, is probably over a thousand miles from this God foresakin island. Also, if you want to get technical, LCACs can only carry one Main Battle Tank (M1A3 for example), where do you get off bringing in your 'mammoth' tank AND 16 rangers on one of them. ALso, you can't just say 'everyone else's radar is out'. There is no way you would know that, and me being two days out I wouldn't be affected. Also, all of us have a spy sattellite so radar is not worth much. I thought I would be RPing with serious people who wanted to do it right, but Senor God mod Valens Res Publica, you proved me utterly wrong. If this continues, I shall remove myself from this lowest of Standars RP.

EDIT: You have 7 million people and a defence budget of $2,424,416,659.52! Where are you getting these billion satellites and technologies? And you said you would have complete control of the island? What about the port town which is occupied or the forces at the oil feilds.

I ask Valens Res Publica be removed from this RP for poor sportsmanship and God-modding.

GIVE ME A BREAK

If you guys don't realize, tou're not supposed to / allowed to tell the other nation what they have lost. The airport for example, you should have stated you dropped your bombs and let Veragon decide what damage it did. Also, WTF Valens Res Publica, I hope you realize your not God. You even told someone else not to God mod yet you brashly declare you WILL take out my whole fleet! Veragon already has thousands of troops on the island, so you think your 'HALO boys' will be able to secure the perimeter!?!?!?!? Also, my fleet is two days out form the island, there is no way on earth you could send "one plane to destroy my fleet" of 20 ships. IMPOSSIBLE. And where are you launching your planes from! You country, realistacly, is probably over a thousand miles from this God foresakin island. Also, if you want to get technical, LCACs can only carry one Main Battle Tank (M1A3 for example), where do you get off bringing in your 'mammoth' tank AND 16 rangers on one of them. ALso, you can't just say 'everyone else's radar is out'. There is no way you would know that, and me being two days out I wouldn't be affected. Also, all of us have a spy sattellite so radar is not worth much. I thought I would be RPing with serious people who wanted to do it right, but Senor God mod Valens Res Publica, you proved me utterly wrong. If this continues, I shall remove myself from this lowest of Standars RP.OOC: You have proved your self as king bonehead. I never said I destroyed your entire fleet, I engaged your Battleship. Which is your first blatant mistake sir...

Next I have a single ship, a LSD-49 Harpers Ferry Class Amphibious Assault Support Ship stationed 1.5 Miles out which re-fuels the LACAC and it has several dozen rangers as well houses the LACAC it when it returns. It wasn't a LCAC alone. Also LSD-49 Harpers Ferry Class Amphibious Assault Support Ship's can house 2 LCAC's. That second LCAC space was taken up by a second Mk.2 Mammoth tank. When the first LCAC returned to be re-fuled the second Mk.2 Mammoth tank was loaded on and deployed to the small island. Fission Mailed

If you were 2 days out, add it to the RP post. I'll nix my attack but be more descriptive...

It's called AWACS and; there is also such a thing called 'Burnthrough' my AWACS has a strong RADAR system which is burning through it's own jamming giving real time RADAR description to all allied forces. Google shit before you talk.... Thats your 3rd strike, and you should be out king bone head.

I have 200 HALO boys, and yes I damn well do think so... The extra 170 came from re-enforcing C5. Strike, four?

Think before you speak. When I said I took out your entire fleet it was OOC Arrogance, you might want to read the bolded OOC next time too...

If your next arguement is going to be about funding. I have my second nation; which is an IC allie to my current one diverting it's own Military funds and Spiritual funds being 25 billion, and another 3 billion from Government excess/waste, and lastly about another 20 billion from Spirituality from Sparta Infensus. Thank you very much

Yes it can carry 1 Main Battle Tank, except my Mammoth Tank weights 12 tons lighter than that M1A1 and so that extra 12 tons of displacement is used for those 16 rangers. Yeah.... I win...

That just shot your entire arguement to shit now didn't it? Well except for when you said where my Nation was realistically only 1000 miles away for more... Well you know what new nations are created everyday, and no one can map them on a single map so I can place my Nation where ever I damn well want and say where ever and how far from any nation I damn well want as well. So if I realistically want my nation to be several hundred miles away it can be so. =/ Also E3 Sentries could fly across the United States back and forth a time and only come back for a single re-fuel. Thats about 6,000 miles... I think the United States is about 3k miles across, I am not sure though it says it can stand 8 hours of flight un-refueld. Now if it at a constant speed can fly the United States in 4-5 hours thats yeah 6k in miles in range.

I win...

(OOC: Um, I need to ask one question? Is the oil underground or above ground? If so, can a crater by a 300-pound bomb ignite it all?)

Oil is underground, 300 pound bombs won't do anything damage it.

Valens - you're out. You do not have 5 million military personnel, and if you did, a four billion dollar budget would be nowhere enough to maintain it. Your economy would be destroyed in days, training costs would absorb your entire GDP for the next two centuries and that would be only to give mediocre training at best. You're wrong, face facts, and once you've sorted your shit out, you can come back.

BTW, Ustia, no carriers or B-2s. While your country could probably afford these, the others here can't, and this RP is supposed to be a relatively low level land force engagment with limited naval and air fighting.

In the IC thread I announced that I would occupy the island of Tolvin. It's a small, about 37 square km, island 51 km southwest of Lordis. It is completely uninhabited and unclaimed. If anyone wants a map, let me know and I'll try to put one tongether.

Shouldn't have to worry about it, I doubt any action will be taking place there, at least not from me. My brigade's a bit caught up fortifying their positions and trying to throw back an assault.

Veragon, I know this is minor but please make the sacle on the map to about 10 km, otherwis the island is over 1000 Km long, which is I think bigger thean Britain.

Trying to right now actually but imageshack is being difficult. Thank you for pointing that out by the way. As for Britain...well, Britain's small, so it's not really saying that much.

True, but it would be hard to fight a war on it with 10000 men. If you just note the change it should be fine.

And thanks for giving Sparta boy the boot.:sniper:

Valens, I think, needs to mature up a bit before trying to RP here. I'm thinking about coming in, but I play an anarchist area and thus use militias and blatantly inferior equipment. I'm talking M4 Shermans and pick-up trucks. Do you guys mind?

Oil is underground, 300 pound bombs won't do anything damage it.

Valens - you're out. You do not have 5 million military personnel, and if you did, a four billion dollar budget would be nowhere enough to maintain it. Your economy would be destroyed in days, training costs would absorb your entire GDP for the next two centuries and that would be only to give mediocre training at best. You're wrong, face facts, and once you've sorted your shit out, you can come back.

BTW, Ustia, no carriers or B-2s. While your country could probably afford these, the others here can't, and this RP is supposed to be a relatively low level land force engagment with limited naval and air fighting.OOC: 5 million military personnel, I just explained how the economy works with Military Branches, sales, import and export a few pages back though it is really you 'tards. Who not only need to mature; but need to learn how to read. I thing multiple things on this site only to need to repeat it again to some... Person; whom can't read...

True, but it would be hard to fight a war on it with 10000 men. If you just note the change it should be fine.

And thanks for giving Sparta boy the boot.:sniper:Why, are you mad at me because I proved your entire arguement against my country wrong in every way?

I'm not arguing against your equipment, though the scope is completely flawed due to the fact that you would need a laser range-finder, a wind gauge, a level, and a number of other sensors that would make it more expensive and larger than any scientific probe.

What I'm saying is that in NS we can say we have whatever the hell we please. I could say that my entire nation is super-elite people in a super-popular benevolent police state. I could make a super-rifle like you. There's a reason why I don't, though. You're entitled to say pretty much whatever you want about yourself.

You don't RP in NS so that you can 'win' every war you fight. Because RP has few or no limits, trying to win in NS is like two kids arguing over who has the best super powers.

In order to prevent this, RPs have guidelines, ways to keep this sort of thing to a minimum. If you want to try to RP with people who are trying to always win, then do so, but remember that not every RP has to take you on.

I'm not arguing against your equipment, though the scope is completely flawed due to the fact that you would need a laser range-finder, a wind gauge, a level, and a number of other sensors that would make it more expensive and larger than any scientific probe.

What I'm saying is that in NS we can say we have whatever the hell we please. I could say that my entire nation is super-elite people in a super-popular benevolent police state. I could make a super-rifle like you. There's a reason why I don't, though. You're entitled to say pretty much whatever you want about yourself.

You don't RP in NS so that you can 'win' every war you fight. Because RP has few or no limits, trying to win in NS is like two kids arguing over who has the best super powers.

In order to prevent this, RPs have guidelines, ways to keep this sort of thing to a minimum. If you want to try to RP with people who are trying to always win, then do so, but remember that not every RP has to take you on.OOC: Have you ever seen a golf laser range finger? They're smaller than a 7 year olds pinkey... Yeah they're ssooo big; same goes for the wind gague and the rest have been talked about in my thread and have proved how small I can make it... =/ I win...

OOC: Have you ever seen a golf laser range finger? They're smaller than a 7 year olds pinkey... Yeah they're ssooo big; same goes for the wind gague and the rest have been talked about in my thread and have proved how small I can make it... =/ I win...

Golf range finders work at 500 yds maximum, you're going for at least 3400 yds. You've never talked about how the computer gets wind information and such. I don't much see the point of a gun effective at 3400 yds anyway, because you're never going to fight somebody at that range.

Golf range finders work at 500 yds maximum, you're going for at least 3400 yds. You've never talked about how the computer gets wind information and such. I don't much see the point of a gun effective at 3400 yds anyway, because you're never going to fight somebody at that range.http://www.opticsplanet.net/bushnell-elite-1500-laser-rangefinder.html

Look at that. 1500+ yard range. Now think of that with the use of TTFT's. Using TTFT's you can minimize it's size to about 30% of what it was as well as increasing it's maximum range finder range by more than 50%. Why the hell would I engage somebody at 3400+ yards? Thats out of the guns maximum effective range? =/ nice arguement.

http://www.opticsplanet.net/bushnell...ngefinder.html

Look at that. 1500+ yard range. Now think of that with the use of TTFT's. Using TTFT's you can minimize it's size to about 30% of what it was as well as increasing it's maximum range finder range by more than 50%. Why the hell would I engage somebody at 3400+ yards? Thats out of the guns maximum effective range? =/ nice arguement.

If you actually read the specs, you'd know that 1500 yds would only work on reflective surfaces. Look at the range for a deer or a flag.

EDIT: I've also found nothing that says that TTFT actually does what you say it does. The sites about TTFT mostly point to its cheaper and more environmentally-friendly manufacture.

Valens, take it from a guy who's actually in a professional western military force. You do not know what you are talking about, you do not understand the concept of research and development, anything about the military, or life in general. Please refrain from posting in any of my threads until such a time as you have learned your lesson and matured to the level of a 15 year old.

If you actually read the specs, you'd know that 1500 yds would only work on reflective surfaces. Look at the range for a deer or a flag.OOC: With the use of TTFT's lets increase the range by almost 10x. Because they can process information not only 10x faster; carry much more information at a time and produce almost no heat. Thank Berkley for this wonder Silicon it's range for non-refractive surfaces would be almost 3k yards. The US Military is currently testing it's capabilites. Expect clear Terabyte Ipods the size of your index finger, and super clear several dozen Mega-Pixel resolution screens the size of ones finger-nail for no more than $30 by 2010...

Valens, take it from a guy who's actually in a professional western military force. You do not know what you are talking about, you do not understand the concept of research and development, anything about the military, or life in general. Please refrain from posting in any of my threads until such a time as you have learned your lesson and matured to the level of a 15 year old.OOC: If you were in fact a professional you would and or should know that professional army snipers are starting to adapt the Horus eye; sniping PDA. Which does exactly what my scope does in a PDA the size of your palm; and it's already out....

Pro my ass...

What did I say about refraining from posting in my thread? Also, thats an initial deployment by very well funded militaries with defence budgets multiple times larger than your country's GDP. Also, the key word there is sniper. Your rifle is general issue, no general issue rifle has a fully integrated electronic scope like that.

What did I say about refraining from posting in my thread? Also, thats an initial deployment by very well funded militaries with defence budgets multiple times larger than your country's GDP. Also, the key word there is sniper. Your rifle is general issue, no general issue rifle has a fully integrated electronic scope like that.OOC: I am not stopping until you learn your shit.

The Horus EYE system is about 3 hundred dollars. I don't need a super-duper funded army to have my scope/Horus-Eye system.

The TTFT has not proven that it will do what you say it will do, and alumina oxide is not a proven material for barrels. You extrapolate your technology too much. If you want to take a G11, and put one of those electronic scopes on it, go right ahead. If you want to improve the G11, go right ahead. But if you want to take an unproven metal and unproven TTFT(i'm sure it's an improvement, but I don't think it's the 10x you say it is), and then make the results massively improved, you'll need to choose similar company.

BTW, go away.

OOC: I am not stopping until you learn your shit.

The Horus EYE system is about 3 hundred dollars. I don't need a super-duper funded army to have my scope/Horus-Eye system.

OOC: HE told you to go away.

GO AWAY.

Valens. If a guy tells you to get the fuck outta a thread, and it's not YOUR thread, then you do it.
Not to mention that your "5 million out of 7 million population is soldiers" is going to get you ignored across the entire NS community. If I were you, I would NOT go telling others what to do, I would learn it yourself. I side with Pythogria and the others who are telling you to go away.

I second that.

I realize that you’ve filled up the eight positions – and that I am much larger than you’d care to admit into the RP – but I wanted to pitch an idea to you. Considering I have a military budget of 10,131,731,672,832.00 I obviously cannot be a competitor for the island, but what do you think of armed neutrality?

I would like to take control of the fishing village immediately east of Lordisia. I will build an industrial grade dock and fortify the town. I will then sell anything to anyone. My premise being that I have massive arms manufacturing industry and I need to dump some product. I would sell arms to the locals and supplies to any army that came near me. As a gentleman’s agreement – oocly of course – I would not expand beyond the village and once the war was over I would deconstruct the base and leave it to whomever the RP gave the island to.

What do you think – interesting twist or needless complication? I will await your reply before I clutter up the IC thread.


As a question of technicality to Valens – I am a bit curious and mean no offense.

A single VRP variant F-35 JSF lifted off. With the use of a Spy Satellite in Geo-Syncronis orbit directly over the island provided the F-35 of a laser designation/RADAR and Infrared painting of the target. Meaning of the RADAR on the X-35 didn't pick up it could use the Satelleites. It moved to intercept these bombers and rape them as they had no AA capabilites. Though this F-35 had upon it nothing but AIM-120x SLAMMERS, exactly 12 of them. 4 PENGUIN Anti-Ship missiles were onboard as well. Two on each side; and this plane after using it's VTOL capabilites. Used it's Afterburner and sped after these planes to not only intercept them but obliterate them.

After about 2 Minutes of flying it was closing in on the B-2 Spirits and B-52 which after locking on all of them at the same time with it's own personal software it fired them all at the same time at different targets. Also Chaff or Flares wouldn't be able to diflect them as they had a ability which stored the position of the engine as well as it's size on the war head's RAM. Which would render the use of such useless. Despite that they could be used like ARCHER missiles and directed though HUD upon the pilots helmet. Meaning all of them had a AIM-120x on their ass and no way to dodge it.


I think what you are saying is that the bomber’s chaffs and defensive measures are ineffective due to the fact that the satellite above the theatre is providing guidance for your missiles. This is very nicely done I have to admit. There is nothing wrong with this and I plan on instituting some similar technologies once I get some R&D programs running. I have two comments/questions though.

The onboard missile software – is it wholly dependant on the satellite uplink or does it possess its own tracking measures. If it tracks on its own then a normal chaff would be effective. If you are trying to say that it stores a three dimensional co-ordinate an velocity then erratic maneuvers would be effective – as the missile seeks a three dimensional co-ordinate and not the plane itself.

Or are you suggesting that the missile has an active uplink to the satellite at all times. Again very feasible please don’t get me wrong. I must point something out though.

A stable geosynchronous orbit on earth is 35,786 kilometers. The speed of light is 1.07925285 × 109 kph. (or 299 792.458kps)You are using active scans – meaning the satellite is emitting and then receiving signals on a particular wavelength – be it IR, RADAR, LIDAR, or any other such emission. And then sending that data down to your missile. All the while the B-52 is cruising at 1 046.0736 kph (or .29kps) Also to be considered is that your missile can engage at 50km at a speed of mach 4 (or 1.36kms). The reasoning for all of this is that it is the information required to calculate what your missile is doing. Here is my thinking.

Tracking B-52. (Assuming your satellite is already aligned to the B-52 trajectory.) 0 seconds

Emission (ping) .01 seconds.

Signal travel time to bomber .12 seconds

Signal travel back to satellite .12 seconds

Computer calculation (Assuming a bitching set of CPU etc) .01 seconds

Signal travel time to missile .12 seconds

Computer calculation in missile (Once again freaking amazing CPU) .01 seconds

Total lag time = .39 seconds

Distance a B-52 can move in .39 seconds = .1131km

Time between AMRAAM fire and intercept at 50km = 36.76s

Number of lags with above stated = 94

94 lags = 10.63km



That said the AMRAAM is an amazingly maneuverable missile – so perhaps it can correct for 93 lags. Which would make the missile perfect – it cannot correct for the last lag as it has either exploded on intercept or deactivated on miss. This means that even if the bomber took horizontal evasive action (we will ignore depth perception’s effect on lag time and processor time to calculate emission return time to judge elevation) the B-52 has a maneuver speed – relative to the missile – of negative .5396kms.

So I guess the question how is the interceptor going to rape these bombers without perfect conditions? It almost seems like everything would have to go in your favor for the AMRAAM missiles to wipe out the B-52 squad. I could understand possibly closing for strafing or something else but in the above calculation I have granted you every advantage and the AMRAAM no longer seems to stack up as nicely. Am I missing something?

OOC: Yey for having top of the line weapons and having a Militaristic
government which calls for every single person to serve thier military as long as they are over the age of 17 under 80 and are physically & mentally capable.

...

OOC: I don't think you can have both of those. Because if everyone was in the millitary, you have no economy to speak of, and can't afford those weapons.

Unles... Deficit spending!

Oh, is it too late to join?

I realize that you’ve filled up the eight positions – and that I am much larger than you’d care to admit into the RP – but I wanted to pitch an idea to you. Considering I have a military budget of 10,131,731,672,832.00 I obviously cannot be a competitor for the island, but what do you think of armed neutrality?

I would like to take control of the fishing village immediately east of Lordisia. I will build an industrial grade dock and fortify the town. I will then sell anything to anyone. My premise being that I have massive arms manufacturing industry and I need to dump some product. I would sell arms to the locals and supplies to any army that came near me. As a gentleman’s agreement – oocly of course – I would not expand beyond the village and once the war was over I would deconstruct the base and leave it to whomever the RP gave the island to.

What do you think – interesting twist or needless complication? I will await your reply before I clutter up the IC thread.


As a question of technicality to Valens – I am a bit curious and mean no offense.


I think what you are saying is that the bomber’s chaffs and defensive measures are ineffective due to the fact that the satellite above the theatre is providing guidance for your missiles. This is very nicely done I have to admit. There is nothing wrong with this and I plan on instituting some similar technologies once I get some R&D programs running. I have two comments/questions though.

The onboard missile software – is it wholly dependant on the satellite uplink or does it possess its own tracking measures. If it tracks on its own then a normal chaff would be effective. If you are trying to say that it stores a three dimensional co-ordinate an velocity then erratic maneuvers would be effective – as the missile seeks a three dimensional co-ordinate and not the plane itself.

Or are you suggesting that the missile has an active uplink to the satellite at all times. Again very feasible please don’t get me wrong. I must point something out though.

A stable geosynchronous orbit on earth is 35,786 kilometers. The speed of light is 1.07925285 × 109 kph. (or 299 792.458kps)You are using active scans – meaning the satellite is emitting and then receiving signals on a particular wavelength – be it IR, RADAR, LIDAR, or any other such emission. And then sending that data down to your missile. All the while the B-52 is cruising at 1 046.0736 kph (or .29kps) Also to be considered is that your missile can engage at 50km at a speed of mach 4 (or 1.36kms). The reasoning for all of this is that it is the information required to calculate what your missile is doing. Here is my thinking.

Tracking B-52. (Assuming your satellite is already aligned to the B-52 trajectory.) 0 seconds

Emission (ping) .01 seconds.

Signal travel time to bomber .12 seconds

Signal travel back to satellite .12 seconds

Computer calculation (Assuming a bitching set of CPU etc) .01 seconds

Signal travel time to missile .12 seconds

Computer calculation in missile (Once again freaking amazing CPU) .01 seconds

Total lag time = .39 seconds

Distance a B-52 can move in .39 seconds = .1131km

Time between AMRAAM fire and intercept at 50km = 36.76s

Number of lags with above stated = 94

94 lags = 10.63km



That said the AMRAAM is an amazingly maneuverable missile – so perhaps it can correct for 93 lags. Which would make the missile perfect – it cannot correct for the last lag as it has either exploded on intercept or deactivated on miss. This means that even if the bomber took horizontal evasive action (we will ignore depth perception’s effect on lag time and processor time to calculate emission return time to judge elevation) the B-52 has a maneuver speed – relative to the missile – of negative .5396kms.

So I guess the question how is the interceptor going to rape these bombers without perfect conditions? It almost seems like everything would have to go in your favor for the AMRAAM missiles to wipe out the B-52 squad. I could understand possibly closing for strafing or something else but in the above calculation I have granted you every advantage and the AMRAAM no longer seems to stack up as nicely. Am I missing something?

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OOC: Yey for having top of the line weapons and having a Militaristic
government which calls for every single person to serve thier military as long as they are over the age of 17 under 80 and are physically & mentally capable.

OOC: I'm not participating in this, but I have to repeat what Kologk pointed out. Most of your population has to keep your civilian sector running, at least if you want your people to have food and clothing. 7 million naked, starving soldiers won't be very effective.

Plus, with the low defense budget Valens has, he can't afford that much in the way of military (just commenting).

Thanks to the big dogs for jumping in with us and pushing him out.

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Sorry didn't realize. Two east? Or the one to the west then?

The fishing village to the east, and 3 west of it.