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"Eine führende Hand zum unreinen"


So I decided we should have an official thread. If you want to join, click here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=479035).

Basically post your concerns here all members. Oppressive Naions, Constitutional Additions, Subtractions and ammendments. And wot-not.

The primary aim of this alliance is to remove oppressive governments.

No member state may use nuclear weapons, or deadly biological or chemical weapons, on any place where civillians may be hurt, unless the oppressive nation has used them, or is likely to use them.

At least one nation of the Anti-Oprresor alliance must have national interest at stake, caused by an oppresive state or alliance, before war may be declared.
Excepting:
Any Oppressive Nation that is of extreme commercial interest,
Any extremely repressive nation,


All nations in the Alliance will defend each other.

The militaries of all members will remain under their own sovereign control except in major wars or extremely necessary situations.

We're also taking constitutionl suggestions as of now.

Well, we should draft the official constitution before we start amending it, eh? But anyways, I would like to propose this thread be made open to anyone reporting opression in their nation, or a nation they've observed.

Lovely. Five überantikravenalliances.

I'll start piecing together essential amendments for the constitution.

Lovely. Five überantikravenalliances.

THIS IS NOT AN ANTI-KRAVEN ALLIANCE!

Look at the title...

Lovely. Five überantikravenalliances.
Contrary, although we are opposed, Kraven seems preoccupied with the umpteen trillion alliances specifically devoted to their demise. We're just aainst oppression in general.

Oh come on. That name either means you aren't Kraven or you are against him. If I were you I'd word it better.

Oh come on. That name either means you aren't Kraven or you are against him. If I were you I'd word it better.

Well, the title says report all non-Kraven opressive nations. So that just means when Archdictator Snork gets his genocide on, we'll go after him. Kraven has plenty of alliances against him.

Oh come on. That name either means you aren't Kraven or you are against him. If I were you I'd word it better.

Well I've reworded it. I would have made it simpler but there is just no room.

Wat do you think to the constitution now?

Pretty good. No current suggestions.

So far so good. Shall we go oppressor hunting?

So far so good. Shall we go oppressor hunting?

Yes, indeed.

good. I'm going to search for all oppressive nations via the world.

You have too much time on your hands.

You have too much time on your hands.
Do you wish to join? Are you oppressive? Would you like some brand cheese nibbles?

(OOC: I'm (semi) oppressive, I at least let the people do some free things (if it results in a profit for the organisation) but I have a civil war at the moment so if you want to get involved in that I'll dig up the link.)

EDIT: Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=478736)

(OOC: I'm (semi) oppressive, I at least let the people do some free things (if it results in a profit for the organisation) but I have a civil war at the moment so if you want to get involved in that I'll dig up the link.)

OOC: I'm already invoilved (aiding rebels with cash and weapons)

OOC: I'm already invoilved (aiding rebels with cash and weapons)
Well then. The first war for the Anti-Oppresors Alliance. To arms!

Incoming Message

To: The AOA
From: The Juliana Times

Subject: Just a few questions.

Hi, this is Mark Marks of the Juliana Times in Fourhearts. We were hoping you could answer a few questions for our International News front.

Q. What's the exact defenition you use for Oppressor? Do you use UN Rankings? Do you set the bar at nations that subjagate other nations?

Q2. You havn't named any enemies as of yet. How do your citizens feel about a government policy that activly seeks war?

Q3. You've stated that you are not going to attack Kraven do to the large number of nations already at war with Kraven. If the idea of the AOA is to eliminate oppression, why does Kraven and his slave states get a pass?

Thanks in advance,
Mark Marks,
Juliana Times

Well then. The first war for the Anti-Oppresors Alliance. To arms!

Imperiux, look who's talking about oppressors. Your public doesn't even know what civil rights are!

Incoming Message

To: The AOA
From: The Juliana Times

Subject: Just a few questions.

Hi, this is Mark Marks of the Juliana Times in Fourhearts. We were hoping you could answer a few questions for our International News front.

Q. What's the exact defenition you use for Oppressor? Do you use UN Rankings? Do you set the bar at nations that subjagate other nations?

Q2. You havn't named any enemies as of yet. How do your citizens feel about a government policy that activly seeks war?

Q3. You've stated that you are not going to attack Kraven do to the large number of nations already at war with Kraven. If the idea of the AOA is to eliminate oppression, why does Kraven and his slave states get a pass?

Thanks in advance,
Mark Marks,
Juliana Times

Well, at the moment we're using the definition of needlessly restricting basic necissities, but it will really be a case-to-case basis.

OOC: As for your final question, that was more of an OOC decision, because really, there's enough Anti-Kraven alliances already.

Do you wish to join? Are you oppressive? Would you like some brand cheese nibbles?

I do not wish to join (No chemicals against civilians? Pft...)
I am oppressive (To every non-Jenrakian citizen...)
I would not like Brand Cheese Nibbles (I have no reason for this...)

Well, at the moment we're using the definition of needlessly restricting basic necissities, but it will really be a case-to-case basis.

Mark read the...short...short...reply.

Hopefully the other nations would give a better...and more complete answer.

Vauge answers made of very....creative news stories.

Q. What's the exact defenition you use for Oppressor? Do you use UN Rankings? Do you set the bar at nations that subjagate other nations?
Of course UN members must conform to their rules, regulations and resolutions. We define oppressors as those who unnecessarily restrict basic supplies such as food, water, clothing, etc.

Q2. You haven't named any enemies as of yet. How do your citizens feel about a government policy that actively seeks war? The policy is not the governments. My citizens feel happy that we are part of a equal alliance dedicated to eliminating oppression. And what nation's citizens wouldn't be disheartened at us searching for war? But our war is for a great cause which all must see is worthy.

Q3. You've stated that you are not going to attack Kraven do to the large number of nations already at war with Kraven. If the idea of the AOA is to eliminate oppression, why does Kraven and his slave states get a pass? Kraven and his slave states are currently being attacked by countless nations. Instead of joining a battle where stalemate is constant, we have decided that if we can eliminate the less famous oppressive states, then the overall conditions of most states will improve. Kraven, while a dangerous state, is not such a threat to us yet.

Imperiux, look who's talking about oppressors. Your public doesn't even know what civil rights are!
We are currently restoring civil rights, as long as they do no conflict with our nations, or the alliances, interest.

If anyone wants an interview with me then please post so, along wth our questions. I aim to please :D

so does no-one want an interview?

You gave people five miniutes. There is something called real life.

Yes, Mark Marks from the Juliana Times, Your defenition of oppressor is a bit vauge. Even the Kraven Corporation feeds and clothes it's citizens. By your defenition, a government could have zero civil rights, zero political freedoms, and still be good with the AOA so long as they don't allow their citizens to starve? Could you provide some explaination?

Yes, Mark Marks from the Juliana Times, Your defenition of oppressor is a bit vauge. Even the Kraven Corporation feeds and clothes it's citizens. By your defenition, a government could have zero civil rights, zero political freedoms, and still be good with the AOA so long as they don't allow their citizens to starve? Could you provide some explaination?

We are working on a more definitive description of oppressor. Currently that description can be wiped off. And the new description for now is: Oppressive: A state that refuses it's citizens basic rights, refuses them basic freedoms and dangerously toys or experiments with it's citizens welfare, healthcare and education.

Any more questions?

We are working on a more definitive description of oppressor. Currently that description can be wiped off. And the new description for now is: Oppressive: A state that refuses it's citizens basic rights, refuses them basic freedoms and dangerously toys or experiments with it's citizens welfare, healthcare and education.

Any more questions?

Yes. How do you define "basic rights", "basic frredoms", and "dangerous"?

This alliance interrests me greatly. See, some people call me oppressive. In my opinion, government owns the people. I always support nations that have troubles in controlling their subordinates, and will crush any attempt of questioning my rule in here.
Gladly, there haven't been any signs of such wish on behalf of my people, atleast not after the Operation Pure Nation a year ago, when some tens of thousands of religious fanatics, fascists and other traitors were executed.
My people loves me. Our propaganda machinery, great welfare+civil liberties and governmental parenting of all children are enough to assure that, and SEJEM Special Forces as well as my Ministery of Internal Security are the final line of defense against dangerous ideals such as capitalism, communism, fascism or democracy that could perhaps threathen the peace of this great country.

Does this mean this alliance of yours is going to come and try to replace me?

Yours,

Warchief Tamujid, The Minister of Everything in
The Heavily Armed Republic of Madnestan

Yes. How do you define "basic rights", "basic freedoms", and "dangerous"?
Basic Rights and Basic Freedoms (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1998/19980042.htm)
Dangerous (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dangerous)
Anyone else?

Juliana Times again, the Kingdom of Fourhearts has for a long time used the internationally recoginized United Nations Ranking as a method of determining a nations civil rights record. These ranking go from the psycotic dictatorships to Civil Rights Lovefest to Anarchy. In reference to the UN Rankings, what ranking would constitute and oppersion big enough for the AOA to go to war?

Madnestan,
Your civil rights aren't poor enough as of yet. Tough luck.

OOC: So it's only Civil Rights that count? Not the IC actions of the country, or its foreign policies?

Juliana Times again, the Kingdom of Fourhearts has for a long time used the internationally recognized United Nations Ranking as a method of determining a nations civil rights record. These ranking go from the psycotic dictatorships to Civil Rights Lovefest to Anarchy. In reference to the UN Rankings, what ranking would constitute and oppression big enough for the AOA to go to war?

Recently today, I resigned from the UN. My Civil rights are Unheard Of. Yet I am not Oppressive. Any nation that is a Psychotic Dictatorship, Tyranny by maority, Authoritarian democracy, Compulsory Consumerists State, Corporate Police State, Corrupt Dictatorship, Father Knows Best State or Iron Fist Socialists, are our immediate concerns. Of course any nation that has been deemed oppressive by a majority of membrs is up for invasion. Otherwise any counry that acts oppressive in the forums is at risk from us.

What about countries that have very good civil rights, but reserve the right to blow up our enemies with whatever deadly weapons we can buy, make, or steal, including WMDs

OOC: So it's only Civil Rights that count? Not the IC actions of the country, or its foreign policies?
Foreign policies have little effect unless directly concerned with us.

IC actions are the main indicator of oppressiveness.

What about countries that have very good civil rights, but reserve the right to blow up our enemies with whatever deadly weapons we can buy, make, or steal, including WMDs
They aren't oppressive. Just aggressive.

LMAO! Check what the word "oppressive" actually means. Complete lack of all civil liberties is as oppressive as it could ever get!

Still, right now we're occupied with someone else.

We are still answering questions,in case anyone's interested?

Uhhh... anyways, the point of this all is that you're as oppressive nation could ever be, a Iron Fist Consumerist with civil rights Unheard Of and Rare political rights, talking about anti-oppression alliance.

I mean, what the hell? Is this a joke of some sort, or are you trying to form an alliance against yourself?

Uhhh... anyways, the point of this all is that you're as oppressive nation could ever be, a Iron Fist Consumerist with civil rights Unheard Of and Rare political rights, talking about anti-oppression alliance.

I mean, what the hell? Is this a joke of some sort, or are you trying to form an alliance against yourself?

Hitler went crazy in his later years.

Hitler went crazy in his later years.
Gotcha. :D

Hitler went crazy in his later years.

I'm sorry. But... WHAT?!?!?!?

Gotcha. :D
I knew you'd understand.
I'm sorry. But... WHAT?!?!?!?
Hitler went crazy in his later years. It's quite simple.

I'm sorry. But... WHAT?!?!?!?
His leader has gone crazy, and is trying to get himself destroyed by a coalition of anti-oppressionist nations. Simple.

His leader has gone crazy, and is trying to get himself destroyed by a coalition of anti-oppressionist nations. Simple.
True. But at the same time te leader's gone schizophrenic and is trying to restore all necessary civil rights while his other half is eliminating them.

His leader has gone crazy, and is trying to get himself destroyed by a coalition of anti-oppressionist nations. Simple.

Ah. I was wondering what the connection there was.

Ah. I was wondering what the connection there was.
So a oppressive nation leading an anti-oppression alliance? Like Bekhaera said: "It's doomed before it's even begun"

Of course I am not the leader, Bekhaera is. But I might oppress him and everyone else. :p I'm interested. Now what happened to my little playthings? :D

Is anyone actually searching for oppressive nations?

We have already found you.

Anyone have any questions?

I am an oppressive nation

I am an oppressive nation
Well do you wish to change your ways or is it war you seek?

Well do you wish to change your ways or is it war you seek?

---Secret---

I'm already aiding a rebellion in his country.

I am an oppressive nation. Hurray.

Official Statement From Red Tide Goverment
"First, we'll give the usual spiel... AHEM!

'We condemn this alliance for its blatant and illegal attempts at violating national soveriegnty. No matter whether the nation is oppressive or not, it has a right to do with its own citizens within its own borders as it see's fit.'

There's more but you get the idea.
Second off, we laugh at all the nations who join as they have no way what-so-ever to enforce their will on the much larger nations."
END MESSAGE

I would like to join this alliance. It helps thenations of the world maintain peace.

we the peopel of Bekhaera and original founders of the alliance praise Imperiux for their hard work and may all those in the alliance strive to create an equal and promising world

though you nations who claim to eb opressive and say that it is none of our business what you do to your peopel you are wrong, the alliance was created in the name of truth and honesty and we shall strive to set an example to all others

.::Transmission Begins::.

Ooh! Ooh! Pick AMF as the person you're against. He hasn't had anyone oppose him for a while. Or, for that matter..... hmmmm..... Pantera. Really, there are far more nations that are far larger than you could ever hope to become that are, by your standards, oppressive. Hell, I'm sure we're considered oppressive by you.

Give up. Thee's no way you can make a difference. But if you try...... well, AMF hasn't eradicated anyone in a while. That's always fun to watch.

3rd Bureaucrat Thompson
Samtonian Ministry of Foreign Affairs


.::Transmission Ends::.

.::Transmission Begins::.

Ooh! Ooh! Pick AMF as the person you're against. He hasn't had anyone oppose him for a while. Or, for that matter..... hmmmm..... Pantera. Really, there are far more nations that are far larger than you could ever hope to become that are, by your standards, oppressive. Hell, I'm sure we're considered oppressive by you.

Give up. Thee's no way you can make a difference. But if you try...... well, AMF hasn't eradicated anyone in a while. That's always fun to watch.

3rd Bureaucrat Thompson
Samtonian Ministry of Foreign Affairs


.::Transmission Ends::.


Pythogria sends the following message to Samtonia:

"Shut up if you don't have anything worth our while to say."

empty threats from those who misinterprate our ideals

While Samtonia is being an ass in the process, he does make a point. The majority of major powers are dictators, and no matter how many people this alliance can bring in, you can only go so far.

You guys can exercise your military might against me.

I've rebuilt my Temsplace army, and my Vizi-Turrets are upgraded now to be better against aircraft.

You guys can exercise your military might against me.

I've rebuilt my Temsplace army, and my Vizi-Turrets are upgraded now to be better against aircraft.

Can you all just be quiet? Really, we JUST STARTED.

While Samtonia is being an ass in the process, he does make a point. The majority of major powers are dictators, and no matter how many people this alliance can bring in, you can only go so far. Let's take a look at the soviet union.

Powerful nation with a huge army, no?

So they're big, the Soviet Union was too. The russo-finnish war was won by the Soviets, but they lost more men than the Finsh people.

So the moral of the story is size matters little. Fighting against the dictators may be tough, but they can be beaten with sheer tacitcal brilliance.

Can you all just be quiet? Really, we JUST STARTED.

Nations of the world, PLEASE, oh, PLEASE check what the UN thinks about Imperiux (OOC: By checking his homepage). You will hopefully realize what this whole discussion is -a joke. This "alliance" was created by a crazy dictator, aimed against HIMSELF. You should check what kind of a nation this Imperiux, the founder of this anti-oppression alliance is before making yourself look ridiculous by playing his game.

Imperiux is more oppressive towards it's own citizens than AMF, Kraven Korps of Madnestan all put together. Their civil rights are Unheard Of, for instance...

I don't mind joining this alliance. My nation is young and has a brave but small army and heh as they say its a big cold universe out there.

Let's take a look at the soviet union.

Powerful nation with a huge army, no?

So they're big, the Soviet Union was too. The russo-finnish war was won by the Soviets, but they lost more men than the Finsh people.

So the moral of the story is size matters little. Fighting against the dictators may be tough, but they can be beaten with sheer tacitcal brilliance.

When the larger army is under-funded and the majority given mediocre training, perhaps.

Though if you actually make a move in this alliance against a country, you'll be fighting dictators who know how to fight with a well supplied force.

And I'm not taunting you or making fun of you guys, I'm just interested and I'd like to see how I'd fare.

this alliance was created by us the bekhaerans and furthered on y our allies the imperiux

he wished to change his ways, is that so wrong

the alliance shall soon become a world power and further the ideals of peace

Hehe, the Waffen SS want to join this alliance.

I'll pass, thanks.

Nations of the world, PLEASE, oh, PLEASE check what the UN thinks about Imperiux (OOC: By checking his homepage). You will hopefully realize what this whole discussion is -a joke. This "alliance" was created by a crazy dictator, aimed against HIMSELF. You should check what kind of a nation this Imperiux, the founder of this anti-oppression alliance is before making yourself look ridiculous by playing his game.

Imperiux is more oppressive towards it's own citizens than AMF, Kraven Korps of Madnestan all put together. Their civil rights are Unheard Of, for instance...

Really?

*checks page*

Well, seems you're right... Here, all of you just join GASN.

When the larger army is under-funded and the majority given mediocre training, perhaps.

Though if you actually make a move in this alliance against a country, you'll be fighting dictators who know how to fight with a well supplied force.

And I'm not taunting you or making fun of you guys, I'm just interested and I'd like to see how I'd fare. True, the soviets were quite underfunded.

"The man with the rifle shoots the rifle while the man without the rifle follow the man wih the rifle. When the man with the rifle is dead the man without the rifle picks up the rifle and shoots!"

I had a nation called Brallach, which dbecame aobut as huge as you, but that was in like 2003. I stopped going on nationstates because at the time I had found forums a bit boring.

Actaully, I think the outcome favours you. There's a chance an alliance would beat you, but no gaurantee. (pardon my spelling)

Now why would you guy's be taking over my job? I nuke tyrannical people for fun!...and...small nations...oh whatever.

Anyway, seriously, with the alliances that most of these people have, it could be a heartache to kill them. I know, I attacked Red Tide2, and I had a helluva time even gaining a foothold. He had allies, I had a coalition, and even with that I had massive losses. We had a stalemate, and after that we just agreed to end the stupid war because it became less fun and more annoying! Har...not my plan but I did free the people that he oppressed...which he probably took over again! Har har!

Anywho, yea, so good luck with those things. I'll Help, but I gotta have good reason, lmao.

Official Statement From Red Tide Goverment
"First, we'll give the usual spiel... AHEM!

'We condemn this alliance for its blatant and illegal attempts at violating national soveriegnty. No matter whether the nation is oppressive or not, it has a right to do with its own citizens within its own borders as it see's fit.'

There's more but you get the idea.
Second off, we laugh at all the nations who join as they have no way what-so-ever to enforce their will on the much larger nations."
END MESSAGE
Official Statement of the Czardaian Government

Oy vey, Red Tide, still harping on the national sovereignty issue here? Don't think we haven't forgotten Amyntos or Frozopia, because we haven't. This isn't national sovereignty. You're just securing the right to commit unspeakable actions because you find it amusing.

And laugh all you please. But before you do, perhaps you should better take a look over the Woodstock Pact roster, which is basically a more professionally organised version of this alliance... You'd be surprised how many anti-oppression nations on that roster are larger and more militarily powerful than you or any of your allies. Tread carefully, because the next country you nuke or invade on flimsy grounds at best, the eyes of the world will be watching you.

Anyway, cheers, and best of luck with the latest Buddhist genocide stunt... give my regards to the wife and kids... keep those SAM turrets up, hmm?

~ Henrik A. Ogden, Minister of Defense
Commander of Czardaian Armies during coalition invasion

OOC:

Hey, isn't that my quote...that "nuke the dirty bastards" thing....I think I said that once, not sure...anyway, nice to see you again Czarda's! I'll definitly follow you into war again.

OOC:

Hey, isn't that my quote...that "nuke the dirty bastards" thing....I think I said that once, not sure...anyway, nice to see you again Czarda's! I'll definitly follow you into war again.
[ooc:] I don't actually have the faintest idea who said it... meh.

And welcome back, Annie. Now I know whom to call if I ever need nuclear support. :P

[ooc:] I don't actually have the faintest idea who said it... meh.

And welcome back, Annie. Now I know whom to call if I ever need nuclear support. :P

OOC:

"If at first you don't succeed, nuke the dirty bastards" There, I said it, I wanna be quoted! Har.

Anyway, sure....I'll make a PRETTY lightshow for you fo cheap! Eh...five dolla make lightshow last long time!

(Seriously, give me a target...must...nuke...)

OOC:

"If at first you don't succeed, nuke the dirty bastards" There, I said it, I wanna be quoted! Har.
Ok, ok! Happy now? :rolleyes:

You can always hijack a Panteran outfit and nuke AMF, or vice versa... I've always wanted to watch a war between those two...

Ok, ok! Happy now? :rolleyes:

You can always hijack a Panteran outfit and nuke AMF, or vice versa... I've always wanted to watch a war between those two...

OOC:

I am quoted, har har! I have fulfilled my dreams! I CAN DIE HAPPY NOW!...

Wait, AMF? $&*@ NO! He'll kill me >>

Oy vey, Red Tide, still harping on the national sovereignty issue here? Don't think we haven't forgotten Amyntos or Frozopia, because we haven't. This isn't national sovereignty. You're just securing the right to commit unspeakable actions because you find it amusing.


OOC:I remember Frozopia... but not Amyntos... it doesnt even sound familiar. Can I have a refresher? Please?

IC: Official Reply
".... Alright you got us. We are a warmongering, hypocritical, dictators. No, seriously, we dont have any snide responses this time around. We are not really intending to invade anybody in the future... maybe a quick resource raid if the titanium stocks run low again or an intervention with a fellow dictatorship in the future against a bunch of rebels."
There was a pause in the transmission in which the shrug was audible... metaphorically speaking.
"End Message"

OOC2: I really have NO idea what I am trying to say ICly... I know I was going to make a point somewhere in there.

I find this alliance funny, considering that the vast majority of nations on II and NS are what you would consider "oppressive". This is a blatantly imperialist alliance and you are likely to be invaded and annihilated if you try to go "opressor hunting".

I find this alliance funny, considering that the vast majority of nations on II and NS are what you would consider "oppressive". This is a blatantly imperialist alliance and you are likely to be invaded and annihilated if you try to go "opressor hunting".


VIVA LA OPRESSORS!

Annie, what I'm suggesting is getting AMF to somehow be convinced it was Pantera. Call me incredibly sadistic, because that's what I really am. I'd do well as an "evil" nation. XD
OOC:I remember Frozopia... but not Amyntos... it doesnt even sound familiar. Can I have a refresher? Please?
Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=446543)
Your post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9718989&postcount=72) (since we don't have access to that kind of technology we'd see it as a nuclear explosion)


IC: Official Reply
".... Alright you got us. We are a warmongering, hypocritical, dictators. No, seriously, we dont have any snide responses this time around. We are not really intending to invade anybody in the future... maybe a quick resource raid if the titanium stocks run low again or an intervention with a fellow dictatorship in the future against a bunch of rebels."
There was a pause in the transmission in which the shrug was audible... metaphorically speaking.
"End Message"

Response:

Glad to hear you've reformed your ways, then. But we are going to keep watching, just to make sure. And remember to stay out of our secret moon-based titanium mines... oops... I wasn't supposed to reveal that. Meh.

On a more serious note, we'd rather you didn't get involved in any military conflicts outside Red Tide itself, but it really isn't in our control, so feel free to blow collective raspberries at us all you want. Still, we're recording this for posterity, so you'd better stick to your promises, 'k?

[There is a sound of a child's giggling and a wire being cut.]

End Response.

Response.

Damn kids these days... I don't know who gave the brat a pair of wire cutters, but if I ever find the bastard, mark my words.... Now I know why you executed them. Arrivederci.

End Response.

I find this alliance funny, considering that the vast majority of nations on II and NS are what you would consider "oppressive".

Not me. Fourhearts is proud of it's Anarchy UN rating.