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it is our intention to provide allies and those who need sanctuary and aid with just that

so we propose to you, the races and nations that we create a new organization to counteract the growing imperialistic idealogies of many and create an organization whose sole purpose is the safety and spreading the message of peace throughout the world

to clarify, the holy empire would not be head of this organization, nor would anyone else

power is equal and those who wish to create said pact are most welcome to join and help spread the word of peace


Viceory Palmer - Order of The Chimera

it is our intention to provide allies and those who need sanctuary and aid with just that

so we propose to you, the races and nations that we create a new organization to counteract the growing imperialistic idealogies of many and create an organization whose sole purpose is the safety and spreading the message of peace throughout the world

to clarify, the holy empire would not be head of this organization, nor would anyone else

power is equal and those who wish to create said pact are most welcome to join and help spread the word of peace


Viceory Palmer - Order of The Chimera

Pythogria is interested, but we would like to know your definition of "Imperialism", as WE may qualify.

Imperiux would like to join, as the whole war hing was started on the grounds of yu being an imperialist, and me too, even though we're not. I hope we can work peacefully?
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those whose sole intent is to enslave the masses

we believe it is the right of natiosn and races to increase their lands but those who choose to do so and persecute the original inhabitants

we believw in the rights of the indigenous peoples and those seeking a home from the harsh face of warfare

we ask pythgoria... are you a bloodened warmonger nation or are you merely expansionist with the aims of bringing those under you and providing them with the same rights as your people

we are a nation that seeks to expand outwards and upwards and as far as we can and we believe that your nation is honest and noble

Imperiux would like to join, as the whole war hing was started on the grounds of yu being an imperialist, and me too, even though we're not. I hope we can work peacefully?

Imperiux, let me be very blunt here.

He was not an imperialist.

He was looking for ALLIES. Then you, in your imperialist and rather jingoistic glory, decided to declare war for no reason.

We suggest bith parties simplyt drop it.

Imperiux, let me be very blunt here.

He was not an imperialist.

He was looking for ALLIES. Then you, in your imperialist and rather jingoistic glory, decided to declare war for no reason.

We suggest bith parties simplyt drop it.

*cough*Not to mention he attacked with FT equipment.*/cough*

those whose sole intent is to enslave the masses

we believe it is the right of natiosn and races to increase their lands but those who choose to do so and persecute the original inhabitants

we believw in the rights of the indigenous peoples and those seeking a home from the harsh face of warfare

we ask pythgoria... are you a bloodened warmonger nation or are you merely expansionist with the aims of bringing those under you and providing them with the same rights as your people

we are a nation that seeks to expand outwards and upwards and as far as we can and we believe that your nation is honest and noble

We pretty much only invade if:

1. The government in power over there is oppressive and we have our armies available.

2. The government attacks our allies or threatens them.

3. The government in power is some psychotic nimrod.

4. There's nobody over there.

*cough*Not to mention he attacked with FT equipment.*/cough*

True, true.

Imperiux, let me be very blunt here.

He was not an imperialist.

He was looking for ALLIES. Then you, in your imperialist and rather jingoistic glory, decided to declare war for no reason.

We suggest bith parties simplyt drop it.

We now acknowledge he was not an imperialist but under those circumstances he was bordering on the edge.
And as for being jingoistic I have to ask if you are sure that is fitting of us.

And I have dropped the incident.

And still wish to join.

very well pythgoria we wish to sign a mutual protection pact with you

and also to cease any known hostilities with the imperiux on grounds of harbouring peace

will the cravan join us?

together i believe we can rid the worlds of opressors, and also with our varied beliefs and systems we can create a fine balance betwen whats right and what isnt

any suggestions for the organizations name

Its a Good and a very Unique idea..i would definatly like to be part of such organisation... But i have doubts over no leadership.... No organisation can function without leadership...we'll need a council who represents all members. and then someone at top heading that council .... and a Constitution of such an organisation...such as rules etc. any more ideas

We now acknowledge he was not an imperialist but under those circumstances he was bordering on the edge.
And as for being jingoistic I have to ask if you are sure that is fitting of us.

And I have dropped the incident.

And still wish to join.

A jingoistic nation will go to war for any reason. You did that. An imperialist nation only needs profit. He didn't want that. NOW we can drop it.

very well pythgoria we wish to sign a mutual protection pact with you

and also to cease any known hostilities with the imperiux on grounds of harbouring peace

will the cravan join us?

together i believe we can rid the worlds of opressors, and also with our varied beliefs and systems we can create a fine balance betwen whats right and what isnt

any suggestions for the organizations name

For the organization's name?

The Anti-Oppressors Alliance?

Its a Good and a very Unique idea..i would definatly like to be part of such organisation... But i have doubts over no leadership.... No organisation can function without leadership...we'll need a council who represents all members. and then someone at top heading that council .... and a Constitution of such an organisation...such as rules etc. any more ideas

Perfect. However, I suggest that the founder name council members.

A jingoistic nation will go to war for any reason. You did that. An imperialist nation only needs profit. He didn't want that.
No we didn't. We wet to war because we believed Bekhaera was being imprialist, which they were not. Unless you are psychic you cannot determine my reasoning for war.

NOW it's dropped.

any suggestions for the organizations name
League of Peaceful Expansionists?

I would like to join this pact. How about the International Mutual Assistance Pact?

CEASE ARGUMENTS PLEASE

now as for the council, we wish for natiosn to choose their representatives

and then they shall elect three hierarches who shall preside over the council, we believe the council shall consist of a recommeneded number of 12 ambassadors

rules for invasion that were put forward include



1. The government in power over there is oppressive and we have our armies available.

2. The government attacks our allies or threatens them.

3. The government in power is some psychotic nimrod.

4. There's nobody over there.

do we agree at least of terms?

hmm The Anti-Oppressors Alliance suits well

so for the time being we shall call ourselves the AO alliance

we need us founders to create a constitution

all those involved voice yourselves now

Number two should be expanded to They attacked or threatened us or our allies.

Well what's the primary aim of this pact?
There's your first amendment.
Maybe each founding member should be allowed to write one amendment?

Number two should be expanded to They attacked or threatened us or our allies.
Too harsh. Maybe that they show signs of carrying out threats of attack?

the aim is to spreadour ideals amongst the other natiosn while seeing that no other peoples are cruelly treated, we aim to bring peace to the worlds

and yes i agree with imperiux here

all shoudl write one amendment...and have the fellow members assigned your council members

all those interested etc and those council members telegram me as so i can list the council and then we can begin the election of the three hierarches

Well I'll start on my own amendment.

My Amendment

No member state may use nuclear weapons, or deadly biological or chemical weapons, on any place where civillians may be hurt.

My amendment:

At least one nation of the Anti-Oprresor alliance must have national interest at stake, caused by an oppresive state or alliance, before war may be declared.
Excepting:
Any Oppressive Nation that is of extreme commercial interest,
Any extremely repressive nation,

My Amendment

No member state may use nuclear weapons, or deadly biological or chemical weapons, on any place where civillians may be hurt.

I was considering joining, but under this term I cannot. Although I am against civilian casualties, they are unavoidable.

Just a query, half of the weapons used by most non-un members are illegal by UN standards. So what happens when we are involved in wars were the enemy hs a tactial advantage with these weapons?

Just a query, half of the weapons used by most non-un members are illegal by UN standards. So what happens when we are involved in wars were the enemy hs a tactial advantage with these weapons?

If they use hem, well... I'l ladd to the Amendment that says we can turn their nation to glass then.

As of a few seconds before this post, I resigned because the UN is a bit of a restriction. In war you should go to every extreme.

hmm a diificult decision here, coudl we change this amendment to say the utilisation of such weapons ca only be used when all council members are in agreeance over the severity of the cause

As of a few seconds before this post, I resigned because the UN is a bit of a restriction. In war you should go to every extreme.

Actually, I'm thinking of resigning. I don't even listen to them anyway, and I've led a bit of a "rebellion".

I also resigned from the UN, but that was due to the strain it put on my economy. I still adhere to their laws prohibiting certain weapons.

hmm a diificult decision here, coudl we change this amendment to say the utilisation of such weapons ca only be used when all council members are in agreeance over the severity of the cause

Actually, I think if they nule you, you should nuke right directly back. That's my WMD doctrine. "One nuke met with two."

it seems the AO alliance is doomed before it has even begun

but are we all agreed on one thing alone, that we shall all provide assistance to one another when needed

any takers?

it seems the AO alliance is doomed before it has even begun

but are we all agreed on one thing alone, that we shall all provide assistance to one another when needed

any takers?

Who said it's doomed?

In any case, I'm not joining, so you can just ignore me.

Actually, all of you could just join GASN. Links in Cravan's signature.

Quite true. Thanks for the ad, Pyth. :p

Quite true. Thanks for the ad, Pyth. :p

No problem!

JOIN GASN!

hmm a diificult decision here, coudl we change this amendment to say the utilisation of such weapons ca only be used when all council members are in agreeance over the severity of the cause
Or when the enemy has them and is likely to use them. Pre-emptive strike?

Or when the enemy has them and is likely to use them. Pre-emptive strike?

No. Pre-emptive strikes are not a good idea. You CAN intercept missiles. OOC: In MT.

Okay.

Should we place Oppressive Alliances as top priority, or define priority by the nations: resources, oppressiveness, difficulty to conquer, and likeliness of invasion?

Okay.

Should we place Oppressive Alliances as top priority, or define priority by the nations: resources, oppressiveness, difficulty to conquer, and likeliness of invasion?

I say we base it on how much of a threat they are in general. For example, I would not be a threat, with my whole military off in Thetania and Royal Code, and my doctrine being "don't invade unless your'e invading someone like Hitler/insane/a threat to you/a threat to your allies."

Heh. I never joined the UN.

it seems the AO alliance is doomed before it has even begun

but are we all agreed on one thing alone, that we shall all provide assistance to one another when needed

any takers?

It is not doomed. Maybe we should start it immediately using the amendments provided, and work on it. I sugges we surf threads searching for the oppressive. Let's become a force to be reckoned with. What do you say?

It is not doomed. Maybe we should start it immediately using the amendments provided, and work on it. I sugges we surf threads searching for the oppressive. Let's become a force to be reckoned with. What do you say?

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Well, Kraven's certainly opressive, but there are several alliances already dedicated to destroying him. How do you define opressive?

If this becomes an Anti-Kraven Alliance I'm leaving. There's already too many people fighting him.

Yeah, that was kind of my point.

Exercising power arbitrarily and often unjustly; tyrannical.
Marked by unjust severity or arbitrary behavior; "the oppressive government"; "oppressive laws".
That's how I defin oppressive. If there are so many nations blowing him up Let's pick out the smaller nations first. They will become reformed and it's easier taking the smaller natons out before the larger ones, no?

If this becomes an Anti-Kraven Alliance I'm leaving. There's already too many people fighting him.
We all oppose Kraven. But I think he's too ocuppied with other alliances. Wat about the oppressive nations elsewhere? Take them out first!

Exercising power arbitrarily and often unjustly; tyrannical.
Marked by unjust severity or arbitrary behavior; "the oppressive government"; "oppressive laws".
That's how I defin oppressive. If there are so many nations blowing him up Let's pick out the smaller nations first. They will become reformed and it's easier taking the smaller natons out before the larger ones, no?

So take out small oppressors?

Well, I'll be on the lookout!

Well, my nation has a low civil rights rating, but that's only because it's very religious, and the things that the religion disallows are also disallowed by law. If you find countries like that oppresive, I'm afraid I'll have to leave this Pact.

Well, my nation has a low civil rights rating, but that's only because it's very religious, and the things that the religion disallows are also disallowed by law. If you find countries like that oppresive, I'm afraid I'll have to leave this Pact.

No, you're fine.

OOC: Hey... what about that military coup your other nation was having?

Countries like yours aren't really oppressive. When you start restricting teamount of food, water and basics your people receive, that's oppressive. I tink we should just post the names of oppressive nations, why they're oppressive and posed threats. Then we can deal with them.

No, you're fine.

OOC: Hey... what about that military coup your other nation was having?

OOC: You mean Moantha? Yeah, I'll go post on that.

OOC: You mean Moantha? Yeah, I'll go post on that.

OOC: Yes, Moantha.

So at the moment shall we enact a temporary unofficial alliance against oppresors? Without Bekhaera it's unofficial. So what d you guys say? Shall I start an Anti-Oppresors Alliance thread?

OOC: Yes, Moantha.

OOC: Posted.

Countries like yours aren't really oppressive. When you start restricting teamount of food, water and basics your people receive, that's oppressive. I tink we should just post the names of oppressive nations, why they're oppressive and posed threats. Then we can deal with them.

Actually, come to think about it, there are often food rationings during times of drought, famine, or war. That should be taken into account.

Actually, come to think about it, there are often food rationings during times of drought, famine, or war. That should be taken into account.
Okay, unnecissarily restriting basic supplies?

So at the moment shall we enact a temporary unofficial alliance against oppresors? Without Bekhaera it's unofficial. So what d you guys say? Shall I start an Anti-Oppresors Alliance thread?

Yes, go ahead!

Okay, unnecissarily restriting basic supplies?

That sounds better.

Anti-Oppresors Alliance (http://http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=479044) Thread here. Enjoy.