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[OOC: Little note here. If you think it's intelligent, witty, amusing, or just plain useful to whine about how you think that this ship couldn't float, or move, or whatever, or how it wouldn't fit in any RL port, then go cry a river. Somewhere else. I don't care about your moaning and your whining and your threat of ignore. And, I think, neither does anyone else.

Oh yeah, and if you even think of saying 'haha, I'll just nuke it' I will get seriously angry. I'm warning you, please do not say that. Or even hint at it.

Secondly, this was intended to be a large writeup with approximatly eight sections. However, I realised that 90% of the forum wouldn't even read that, let alone take it in, and that most people are only interested in OMG! Shiny picture!, so I figured leave it at the most important parts. The 'What you aren't told' part, is where I have included the weaknesses of the ship. You aren't supposed to know this, and you probably won't, but if one of your companies thinks of asking, don't bother, they won't get a response from QAE. Anyway, Enjoy a failed project.]

THE 'HOOD' PROJECT'

LINK TO PICTURE [PNG] (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f16/MattShipwrighter/Questers/Hood/HMSHoodRebuilt6.png)
LINK TO PICTURE [JPEG] (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f16/MattShipwrighter/Questers/Hood/HMSHoodRebuilt4.jpg)
SPECIFICATIONS
Length: 6,157 Feet / 1,877 Metres
Beam(Trimaran): 879 Feet / 268 Metres
Draught: 157 Feet / 48 metres
Displacement: 14,959,852 Metric Tons
Complement: 26,125 Full

PROPULSION AND AVIATION
Propulsion:
Type: Nuclear
Reactors:4 Questarian Atomfirm pressurised water reactor providing 1.5GW each
Propulsion:16 Shafts, 16 waterjets,
Steering: 2 Main ruddes, 1 backup
Speed: 29.5 knots max
Range: 18 Months (stores)
Service Life: 18 Years
Aviation:
Cranes: 6 Seaplane cranes
Hangar: 18 VTOL aircraft and 18 AWACS Seaplanes and 18 HELOs

ELECTRONICS
Sensors:
Type 10 Air Search RADAR
Type 20 Sea Search RADAR
Type 30 Bow-Mounted Sub-Search SONAR
Type 40 General Search LADAR
Type 45 General Search LIDAR
Type 50 Communications Array
Type 55 RADAR Sweep Jammer
Type 56 RADAR Barrage Jammer
Type 58 Sensory Interference Resistance Device
Type 60 GPS Array
Type 98A1 Gun Control
Type 98A2 Gun Control
Type 100 Over the Horizon Search RADAR
L105A1 Combined RADAR LADAR InfraRed Missile Director System
L106A1 Stand Off Missile Director System
L110A1 Mainmast Missile Director System

ARMAMENT
The Hood’s armament is based around its five gigantic turrets, large batteries of small DP guns, and long arrays of large VLS cells.

Main Guns
The main armament is the six gun turrets on the ship. Each turret is fitted with five Type 95 L82 rifled 76.25cm naval cannons with 120 grooves per barrel. Each cannon is 62.52 metres long and has a maximum declination of -2 degrees and a maximum inclination of 42 degrees. The shell velocity is 810 M/S. The maximum weight for each turret is around 13,000 tons – turrets measuring over 13200 tons will not be fitted on the ship. Each gun is provided with 80 shells, of which 38 are stored in the turret. This adds to a grand total of 190 shells to a turret. The other 42 shells are located in the magazine: each turrets magazine can hold 210 shells and weighs approximately 1900 tons. In total, this makes the main weapon system weigh approximately 54,500 tons - .331% of the entire ships weight. Each turret is mounted in an 8m deep barbette with an armour layer of 800mm – 50% steel and 50% aluminium oxide alloy. The magazine feeder descends 18m down into the magazine, which is surrounded by its own box with a 130mm armour – 90% steel and 10% aluminium oxide alloy. Four opening and closing bulkheads act like ‘wet and dry’ doors for the magazine – should the magazine be detonated, it is the possible that the bulkheads can hold in an explosion until damage control kicks in – and, if the turret explodes, the magazine below will not be harmed.

Without assistance, each gun’s maximum range is approximately 120 kilometres – the highest marked number is 134 km in tests before the shells were fitted to the ship. Note that this number may be significantly disproportionate because of the stability differences of a land firing platform and a naval firing platform. Using the Type 95A2 Advanced Rocket Assisted Round [ARAR], the Questarian equivalent of the US ERGM, the shell can fire to approximately 800km – the longest shot being 821.3km, again fired from land. The standard shell, the Type 95A1(A3 for HE, A4 for AP), is a 7,400 kilogram projectile, with either a high explosive core or armour piercing cap. The HE core shell is designed to be fired on shore targets – it has a higher charge and more explosives. The AP cap is designed to be fired on other vessels. It weighs 7,600kg. The projectile nose is of a hydrodynamic shape – this helps the trajectory stay constant. Because of the high inclination of the guns at maximum range, and the design of the AP shell, it will achieve a plunging shot at most distances.

Using automated loaders and advanced crew training, Royal Navy personnel can reload and fire a Type 95 L80 cannon at 42 degrees to 120km within 83 seconds – the most lengthy portion is elevating the gun to that level, and secondly, to allow the recoil-assisters to stabilise themselves. It should be noted that the Royal Navy Heavy Artillery Division spends over 3 million pounds on training each gunner that is qualified to fire a 600mm or higher cannon.

The 20m rangefinder for the main guns is located on either side of the turret and a backup 15m rangefinder underneath each gun. In coordination with satellite links from the sensors array and with the 50m Advanced Heavy Naval Rangefinder [AHNR] the Hood can accurately project heavy fire within a 30m circle up to 60km. The gun is accurate up to 90m circle at full, unassisted range – and 130m circle at full ARAR range. The guns are controlled by a pair of Type 98A1 Gun Control Sensors.

The blast pressure relative to gun distance is extremely high – the blast pressure within 300m of a gun going off is approximately .65 kilograms.

Secondary Guns
The secondary armament of the Hood class is 8 dual 38 cm rifled naval cannons. There are 4 turrets starboard and 4 aft. The bow turrets are placed adjacent to No 2 and No 3 guns, and the rear turrets are placed below the boat deck. The guns are controlled by the secondary Type 98A1 Gun Control Sensors. Each turret has 280 shells which can shoot to a maximum range of 40km. The turrets feature a scaled down version of the main gun fire control with 350mm of steel armour for the barbette. The guns can also fire the 380mm variant of AA shell, known as the Type 30L1 ‘Lampare’, named after the firework. Each shell acts like a shotgun, fitted with 750 incendiary tubes constructed from rubber thermite and 350 steel stays. Fuses are set to go off at a specific distance and height forming a 20 degrees cone of flame with the incendiary cap, which contains about 200 tubes. A split second later the remaining incendiaries detonate and create a wall of flame approximately 5m out, burning at 9 seconds for approximately 3000 degrees centigrade.

D/P Guns
The Hood is fitted with a generous number of dual purpose guns. 30 fittings for the Type 98A1 L50 smoothbore dual 155mm turrets are installed in total around the ship - 15 turrets port and 15 starboard. There are four Type 98A2 sensor array systems installed, again, 2 port and 2 starboard. Each sensor array has significantly high powered RADAR, LADAR, and IR systems, and is capable of routing each gun to track a different target in .843 of a second. The guns themselves have a ROF of 1 round every 16 seconds each – giving each side of the vessel a combined ROF of 83 155mm rounds per second. Each gun has 200 rounds – 20 of these are standard HE shells with a maximum range of 11km, but the remaining are Type 30L2 pattern anti air shells, the official name being ‘Firecracker’, nicknamed ‘Catherine wheels’ by the crew manning them. A direct copy of the ‘Lampare’ but with 300 incendiary tubes and only 150 steel stays. In addition it burns for 4 seconds shorter.

In addition, the ship boasts 80 Type 97A1 quad 76mm smoothbore autocannons – a total of 320 76mm guns in all, if you can’t count. There are two previously mentioned Type 98A2 sensor arrays to every 40 gun turrets. Each cannon is capable of 40 rounds per minute – the combined total of a side being 400 76mm shells per minute. Each turret has 80 shells. None of these shells are HE – all are the Type 30L3 anti air shell ‘Firestarter’. This is a direct copy of the Type 30L1 ‘Lampare’, again except with a smaller payload of 120 incendiary tubes in the shell and 20 in the cap, each shell burning out to 5 metres for 3 seconds at approximately 1600 degrees centigrade.

Missiles
The Hood has an absurd amount of missiles. Five large vertical launch blocks are the main armament, two fore, two stern, and one centre, on a raised platform. Each block has a hundred missiles in rows of a hundred, essentially creating a 10,000 cell block. Each block is a metre wide and a metre long and twelve metres deep. It is highly possible to split off a cell so two missiles can be stored. Because of the nature of the VL blocks, each missile is specially padded with a small layer of foam and 200mm blow out cover aluminium armour. Another layer of unclassified steel armour lies below and around the VLS cells, effectively stopping damage of internal systems should the VL cells be detonated. The missiles are directed by ten L105A1 missile CRLIR (Combined RADAR LADAR and Infrared) Director System. In addition three L106A1 SOMD (Stand Off Missile Director) systems are mounted on the fore, stern, and centre of the ship, for the long range direction of heavy ASUMs. Finally, the L110A1 MAMD (Main mAst Missile Direction) is mounted on the mainmast for the direction of the SAMs.

Furthermore, thirty two sextuple rolling airframe missile launchers are dotted around the ship for missile CIWS. The ‘Culloden’ class missiles they fire are a short, manevourable, and fast, anti missile missile with a range of just 18km.

No ‘Culloden’ in Questarian service has ever missed its target.

In addition to this, the Type 56 and 55 RADAR Jammers, Barrage and Sweep respectively, are mounted on the mainmast to try and electronically disable enemy RADAR. The Type 58 Sensory Interference Resistance Device is a separate device from the main RADAR that operates to try and defend the main sensors from being jammed.

What You’re Not Told:
The 76.25cm main cannons are extremely prone to overheating and ruining barrels. Although the barrel has been protected by various insulators and sleeves, none are particularly effective at stopping this, only delaying it. As such, the main guns only have a lifetime of about three hundred shells before they will become effectively useless.

The secondary 38cm guns are mounted on the side of the ship, and although gratings and CIWS guns have been placed, they are fairly vulnerable to a shell hitting the space behind them. They also have low firing angles.

PROTECTION
The Hood’s armour protection covers the entire belt of the warship, the deck, and the rear. Unlike future capital ships, the Hood has little bulge armour, relying instead on its construction for defence.

Armour
The armour accounts for 34% of the entire ships displacement: 5,086,350 tons in all. The main armour section is a sort of giant armoured box. The main hull’s box is 998.82 metres long – a hefty 62% of the vessels length. The belt armour ,by comparison, is 1,261 tons per millimetre of armour – giving the belt armour a thickness of millimetres 2419.

This gives the:
Belt armour (59.97%) a weight of; 3,050,359 tons and a length of 2,419 millimetres
Deck armour (35.03%) a weight of 1,796,481 tons and a length of 1,412 millimetres
Torpedo bulges (5%) a weight of: 254,317.5 tons

The belt armour stretch is angled at 10 degrees for ten metres, before splitting off at 19 degrees. This has been design specifically so that any shell hitting at belt angle will deflect off the main belt and down.

Belt Armour Types
The Hood’s armour is layered – this prevents the armour from simply falling off under stress, as is possible with battleships where the armour is simply applied on an unlayered basis.

The first type – Stockford Hardened Cemented [SHC] – makes up only 5% (120.59mm, 152,517.95 tons) of the armour. It is attached last, on the outside of the entire armour layer. The SHC armour hardens the hull and protects it from natural damage while providing a hard, non brittle, outer layer that is impenetrable to anything smaller than a 105mm gun.

The second type – Stockford Hardened [SH]- makes up 40% (967.6mm, 1,220,143 tons) of the armour: this is HSLA steel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSLA_Steel) .

The third type – Stockford Advanced Naval Composite [SANC] – makes up 35% (846mm, 1,067,625 tons) of the armour. The composite is a mix of ceramics and, and the two carbides silicon and boron. Foam is layered on either side of the Advanced Naval Composite.

The fourth type – Stockford Titanium [ST] makes up the final 20% of the armour (483mm, 610,071 tons). ST is formed from titanium boron alloy, laced with carbon fibre composites.

Deck Armour Types
The deck armour is drastically different to the belt armour of the Hood. It is still, however, layered like the belt. The deck armour was designed to withstand plunging shots from a 700mm projectile moving at approximately 900m/sec, weighing around 6,000 kilograms. The deck armour still employs the same type of armour as the belt – except in different proportions.

The SHC is 2.5%, making it 35.3mm thick and weighs 44,912 toms. The SHC is, again, entirely layered on top with a 5cm gap between the next layer of armour: this creates a “decapper” for AP shells, attempting to halt armour piercing caps from penetrating the entire deck.
The SH is 47.5%, making it 670mm thick and weighs 853,328 tons.
The SANC is 37.5%, making it 529mm thick and weighs 673,680 tons.
The ST is 35.3mm thick and weighs 44,912 tons.

Beneath this is a 25mm layer of HSLA steel(not included in previous armour values or weight) that stops armour bolts and rivets splintering and ruining sections of armour when the deck is hit by a large plunging shell, an air to surface missile, or a large bomb.

A layer of Hinoki cypress wood coats the top of the armour.

Other
Beneath all armour layers lies a padding of foam and other various non flammable materials. The belt armour is backed up traditionally by a series of honeycomb rods, but the deck armour looks something like this.

CIWS and Point Defnece
There are approximately 25 different CIWS stations onboard the ship – the system used is the “Sea Guardian” Close In Weapons System (Type 95), which consists of a tracking system that can track up to 20 individual targets and a six barrelled 40mm autocannon with a range of 1700m and a ROF of 900 RPM per gun. This allows a single “Sea Guardian” CIWS system to engage a missile almost 2 kilometres away with extreme precision, spitting out 5400 rounds per minute.

There are also a hundred “Sea Wall” quad 20mm flak autocannon emplacements (Type 92) dotted around the ship: these are remote controlled by crew and are capable of 500 RPM and an engagement range of 1250m. This allows them to take out helicopters, small boats, and concentrations of missiles with a total ROF of 2000 rounds per minute.

There are twenty “Sea Shield” decoys (Type 92) dotted on many decks. These decoy systems can launch up to 20 decoys each out to 1000m from the launcher. Each decoy is sufficient to confuse basic missiles like Harpoon or Tomahawk.

Finally, the class is fitted with a 528 14.5x160mm L60A1 guns in dual mountings. The guns are fitted into batteries of four dual guns each. The batteries are open topped with a layer of 10mm steel surrounding the guns as a shield. The guns have a maximum depression of 10 degrees and a maximum inclination of 75 degrees. Each gun has a ROF of 150 RPM and can effectively fire up to 500m. This gives a battery a total ROF of 1200 rounds per minute.

What You’re Not Told:
These numbers are averages – because a proportionally gigantic number of the ships’ VLS is mounted at the front of the vessel, extra armour was placed above the waterline for the first 400 metres. This already placed the Hood front heavy, and so less subsurface armour was placed at the front. This design was carried over with the other ships of the Hood class and is still a feature of the export edition today. The heavy bow can occasionally cause the ship to list forwards to angles of up to 3 degrees in bad weather.

Because of the heavy pressure put on sections the ship, bulkheads in the last part of the stern and the front of the bow – and occasionally in the secondary hulls – have been known to crack. This problem was partially solved by swapping the original two-part bulkhead for a single metal wall/door – but in some places this is still a constant problem. On average, fourteen bulkheads were replaced each time an Hood ship docked in port.

In addition, the armour around the 1.5gw nuclear reactors has been known to warp – although the special tungsten walling around the reactors prevented any serious damage, occasionally the heat is enough to bend armour and render some parts of the stern VLS useless. The reactors may also damage critical parts of Y guns reloading systems.

Ammunition handling for the Type 92 20mm flak autocannons is extremely ineffective – in some cases, about 3 out of10 times, crew are tasked with carrying ammunition boxes from storepoints to the guns themselves. Some guns are situated in areas of little use, for example right next to CIWS systems or on random deck points.

[B]THE PURCHASE OF THE HOOD CLASS BATTLESHIP IS HEREBY RESTRICTED BY COURT ORDER OF HER MAJESTYS GOVERNMENT. PURCHASE OF A HOOD IS ONLY POSSIBLE BY DIRECT NEGOTATION WITH THE CROWN. /B]

Whoa... if only I had the money to buy one of THESE.

Amazing design.

Cool, thanks >.>

One helluva ship, I must say... Ain't specialist enough to go into the details or determine whether it is worth all the effort, money and time, but the propaganda value as well as the impact on enemy's moral are undoubtly horrendous. I wouldn't fuck with a navy "fielding" those vessels, that's for sure.

Heeeeeee. Maybe I shouldn't go into the detail of her fate...

Heeeeeee. Maybe I shouldn't go into the detail of her fate...

No... You really shouldn't...

Very nice design, though. I have the cash, but it's against my naval doctrine to use something this big.

oh ya but my ship is 6,157 Feet and 8 inches long

Encrypted Communication of the Kraven Corporation

We would wish to order one "Hood" class flagship pursuant to our previous agreements. We naturally request that our privacy be held in this order, and we will pay extra for such.

The total of $850 Billion USD will be wired to QAE Systems accounts upon confirmation.

Oberststadt Furher Solomon

Heeeeeee. Maybe I shouldn't go into the detail of her fate...

Oh, come on. Tell us.

OOC: Wow.

The Democratic Republic of Hamilay wishes to purchase one of these warships, for the cost of 850bn dollars. Money will be wired on confirmation of our order.

The Democratic Republic of Hamilay
Department of Defence
Naval Command

[/glee]

oh ya but my ship is 6,155 Feet long

HAHAHA VERY FUNNY, I'm fucking DYING of your wit. Pity you can't COUNT.

Yadayayayadaya, orders approved, etc.

Pythogria, click the link in my sig 'The Mighty Hood'. It has an explanation.

Encrypted Communication of the Kraven Corporation

We would wish to order one "Hood" class flagship pursuant to our previous agreements. We naturally request that our privacy be held in this order, and we will pay extra for such.

The total of $850 Billion USD will be wired to QAE Systems accounts upon confirmation.

Oberststadt Furher Solomon

OOC: Ah, shit. :eek:

HAHAHA VERY FUNNY, I'm fucking DYING of your wit.

Yadayayayadaya, orders approved, etc.

Pythogria, click the link in my sig 'The Mighty Hood'. It has an explanation.

Erm.. yeah. Pheonix... No. Just no.

OOC: Ah, shit. :eek:

OOC: Amen.

OOC: Amen.

OOC: You ain't the one at war with him, though.

From: MP Ordnance Corporation
To: QAE
Re: Hood.

Umm.... yea... This is really embarassing, but we would like to order three (3) Hood class BBCNs. 2.6 trillion NS Dollars are being held in escrow in a foreign bank account, and will be wired upon delivery of the goods. In the meantime, please also accept this large case of expensive liquor and distribute it to your R&D teams that worked on the Hood.

~*~*~*

From: MP Ordnance Corporation
To: QAE
Re: Hood.

Umm.... yea... This is really embarassing, but we would like to order three (3) Hood class BBCNs. 2.6 trillion NS Dollars are being held in escrow in a foreign bank account, and will be wired upon delivery of the goods. In the meantime, please also accept this large case of expensive liquor and distribute it to your R&D teams that worked on the Hood.

~*~*~*

OOC: Ahahahahahahahahahahaha! The sinker of the Hood orders three! Brilliant!

Woot, QAE R+D House party.

The Commonwealth of Iron Chef Polish ask whether said vessel comes in safety orange, lime green, pink or yellow?

OOC: Ahahahahahahahahahahaha! The sinker of the Hood orders three! Brilliant!

ooc: Target practice son.

The Commonwealth of Iron Chef Polish ask whether said vessel comes in safety orange, lime green, pink or yellow?

The Hood cost £600,000 to repaint :P

ooc: Target practice son.

Owned.

OOC: Pretty picture....

just an OOC comment..
Why would a British Navy ship, be for sale in American Dollars?
All British military equiptment (ships, tanks, planes etc) are sold in Pounds Sterling. If you're going into so much detail with your specifications, you should make sure to get the little details correct :)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/Mauvasia/coat_of_arms.jpg
Official Communiqué, Department of Defence
To: QAE Marine
Encryption: Standard

After a careful assessment of our funds for the next year, we have decided that we are in fact capable of purchasing a new flagship for the Imperial Republican Navy. Following a due analysis of the various choices and the merits of purchasing one or the other, we settled upon a single Hood Class warship, which had proven so successful in the Questarian Navy

We would therefore like to order one of these formidable boats for our fleet; the appropriate funds of $850 billion will be wired upon confirmation. Thank you for your consideration.

However, we would like to enquire as to the cost of refitting all electronics and systems on the ship with more standard Mauvasian ones to avoid logistical problems and confusion. Such an operation would be performed at Mauvasian ports following the first sea trials of the ship.

[signed]Louis D'Hiver
Secretary, Chairman, Department of Defence

just an OOC comment..
Why would a British Navy ship, be for sale in American Dollars?
All British military equiptment (ships, tanks, planes etc) are sold in Pounds Sterling. If you're going into so much detail with your specifications, you should make sure to get the little details correct :)

It's not for sale in United States Dollars - USD in NS means universal standard dollar, a unit of currency that noone actually uses but is measured to compare curencies between other nations.

Mauv, thats possible, but you'd have to do it. It'd be pretty expensive and time consuming considering all the weapons are linked to each other, you'd have to ripout loads of wires and stuff.. but sure, sales on.

HAHAHA VERY FUNNY, I'm fucking DYING of your wit. Pity you can't COUNT.

Last edited by Questers : Today at 10:04 PM.

pity you added 3 feet, ha!!!!!

bump

Yeah TPM, that was when I removed the 60mm ERA plates...

The Imperial Navy will purchase one. Money will be wired on confirmation.

I wish to buy 1 ship of this fine class.

By just selling ONE of these you'd become rich beyond your wildest dreams. Kubra doesn't come close ot being able to afford such a wonderous machine.

By just selling ONE of these you'd become rich beyond your wildest dreams. Kubra doesn't come close ot being able to afford such a wonderous machine.

Well, we're saving. But still... this thing is... incredible...

Well, we're saving. But still... this thing is... incredible... It would take Kubra centuries to have the money to buy this, even at the rate w're growing.

It would take Kubra centuries to have the money to buy this, even at the rate w're growing.

Well, we're beginning an economic buildup, but even so... this is one massive ship!

Heh, give yourself time guys. Soon enough, you'll be able to afford 10. Heh.

The Imperial Navy will purchase one. Money will be wired on confirmation.

Hm, yeah, okay, but I'm sorry 1010102, I don't think that this warship is suitable for you yet.

Trying to break away from the beauty of such a ship, and british design too. God Save Questers!

I think a little cock-up happened in our armour. The total is 100.27%. I think Maybe you meant:
Belt armour (59.97%)
Deck Armour (35.03%)
Barrel Armour (5%)

Or course you might run on different mathematics to us, but in Imperiux nothing can be more than 100% it's size unless it is a copy.

You're right, good spotting, thanks ;-)

You're right, good spotting, thanks ;-)
You're welcome. I just don't want some idiot to start prodding he master architect of this sterling symbol of past naval might in british tradition.

We shall reclaim superiority once more!

Somewhere in the United States of Allanea

“So, umm, this Hood thingie…. it’s bloody huge. Really, really, really motherfucking huge.|”

“Yes, I realize that… wait. You don’t actually suggest that we should…”

“Oh, yeah. I do. Let’s buy one of these as a flagship. Name it the Allanea or suchlike.”

“Umm, we already have a ship by that name.”

“Gah. Name it the Kazansky.”

“Want him to sue us?”

“Bah, nevermind. We’ll think of a name, but we damn need one of those.”

“Why not two?”

“Because we’re still kind of using the Defense Budget.”

A few days later

Official United States Department of the Navy Order Form

“Dear friends the Questarians! We are quite willing to purchase your ship. In fact, we decided to already begin stocking up the necessary 850 billion USD in silver bullion, which will be delivered to you shortly via cargo craft. We hope that you will not be in any way distressed by our unusual method of payment. If and when you find this somehow wrong, we can pay in Rejistani’ Lil’kansu. We do not have any other currency in stock, however, due to problems with the Federal Mint of Allanea.

Sincerely yours, the United States Government.”

To: Questers
From: Franberry

Franberry is very impressed at this marvelous masterpiece of naval engeniering. We would like to purchase one of these ships to serve as our fleet's flagship.

We already have some money accumulated, and we will pay the amount over a period of 4 years. If there are any problems with our offer, do not hesistate to point them out.

Thank you

The Hood cost £600,000 to repaint :P

OOC:
What are you painting it with?

Acryllic poster paint?!

It should cost much more than that to repaint a ship of such size in rust resitant maritime grade paint. In reality it should be somwhere near the cost of a small destroyer to paint.

OOC:
What are you painting it with?

Acryllic poster paint?!

It should cost much more than that to repaint a ship of such size in rust resitant maritime grade paint. In reality it should be somwhere near the cost of a small destroyer to paint.

Sorry I don't know how much paint costs for warships?

Anyway, I think.. okay, Franberry+Allanea can have one. Luckily I and a few select individuals know how to sink one >.>

/walks by whistling/
Start out by firing loads of missiles and shells to keep its systems busy.
/peeks into thread/
Then use cluster bombs and EMP to knock out its sensors.
/nods sagely/
Finally, hit it with a keelbreaker under the hull, and BOOM!
/walks out of thread, whistling innocently/

Portsmouth, Questers

The sun rose as the first Allanean Navy cargo ships entered harbor. They were dozens of Pepperbox fleet support vessels, the troop carrier version. Excewpt, of course, they did not carry any troops at all – well, small groups of unarmed sailors, whose job was to deal with the debarkation of the 'cargo'. Into the port hailed several commercial freighters as well... and soon enough, the first one, a merchant navy freighter, hit it's pier. The side of the ship opened up, and several large, heavy trucks rolled out to the docks.

As they ground to a halt two Allaneans jumped out of the driver's cabin and ran towards back of the truck. A few swift motions, and several transparent polietilene sacks fell to the ground, filled with fresh, colorful, 100-lyl'kansu bills “'C'mon guys, c'mon! We have work to do!” As the amazed locals watched, the Allaneans piled sack upon sack of money on the sidewalk. When the trucks were empty, they smiled to a QAE security man they saw nearby. “Better keep an eye on these. You know how people are today... gotta be careful.”

Even as they drove back onto their ships, more and more trucks poured out of the immense vessels, and from the Allanean light ships, the currency was merely shoveled out to the piers, immense piles of money generating on the shore of the sea. Several Allanean oil tankers were used for the purpose, and the immense sum took all day and all night to unload from them and the slew of Allanean vessels to unload. Apart from basic service warnings to guard the money, the Allaneans did not say a word to the Questarians during the whole incident.

When the dawn broke on the day after, and the Allaneans had left, Portsmouth Harbour was festooned in immense mountains of banknotes. The Allaneans had paid their debt all right – they even followed the Questarian desire to do it in Lyl'kansu, one of the most denominated (if stable) currencies in the world.

Lying on the ground in Porsmouth were 4,680,500 tons of 100-lylkansu banknotes – exactly 936,100,000,000,000 lyl'kansu, or 851 billion Universal Standard Dollars. That there were entire ships in the Questarian catalogues weighing less then that was none of the Allaneans' concern.

Mauv, thats possible, but you'd have to do it. It'd be pretty expensive and time consuming considering all the weapons are linked to each other, you'd have to ripout loads of wires and stuff.. but sure, sales on.
[OOC: Well, it's that or dealing with the logistical strain of the various ships being unable to communicate because they use completely different frequencies and such. It's a lot like putting together US and Russian equipment, except in this case we have Sarzonian, Questerian, and indigenous designs thrown in.]

Sorry I don't know how much paint costs for warships?

Anyway, I think.. okay, Franberry+Allanea can have one. Luckily I and a few select individuals know how to sink one >.>
OOC: wooooo

Lost Hills Department of Defense
Office of Procurement

As part of our military restructuring program, Lost Hills would like to purchase 5 of these vessels for use in our reformed navy. Lost Hills will transfer $4,250,000,000,000 to Questers as soon as the order is confirmed.

This vessel will be designated the Indomitable Class Heavy Dreadnought in the service of our navy. Thank you.

Oh, come on. Tell us.

MP Blew her apart :P

The Peoples Freedom is interested in buying two of these massive vessels. The cost would be paid over 5 years

Lost Hills Department of Defense
Office of Procurement

As part of our military restructuring program, Lost Hills would like to purchase 5 of these vessels for use in our reformed navy. Lost Hills will transfer $4,250,000,000,000 to Questers as soon as the order is confirmed.

This vessel will be designated the Indomitable Class Heavy Dreadnought in the service of our navy. Thank you.

No, two problems:
Noone is buying as many of these ships as I possess, that's ridiculous:
Noone is reclassifying it or renaming it. The class name is Hood and the classification is battleship.

The Peoples Freedom is interested in buying two of these massive vessels. The cost would be paid over 5 years

Uh, no, sorry. Wait until your economy gets stronger/you get some more citizens.

EDIT: just cleared up a phrasing problem.

No, two problems:
Noone is buying as many of these ships as I possess, that's ridiculous:
Noone is reclassifying it or renaming it. The name is Hood (Class) and the classification is battleship.

OOC: Why is it a problem to redesignate the vessel when in service of another nation?

Because when stores stock Coca Cola they don't remarket it as Coca Lola? It's a battleship, not a superdreadnought, it's not a heavy battleship or whatever, it's what I've classified it as and thats that.

Because when stores stock Coca Cola they don't remarket it as Coca Lola? It's a battleship, not a superdreadnought, it's not a heavy battleship or whatever, it's what I've classified it as and thats that.

Different fleets classify vessels as to how they see fit, Pocket Battleships in my navy could be considered large battleships to others while my fleet carriers could be consider light carriers in other navies. It's all about perspective and it doesn't hurt to be a little more open-minded to others and their views. Besides, this is different than your Coca-Cola reference as these ships aren't being remarketed for retail sale to other nations, people are buying the ship for their own use and aren't going to steal the design and sell it as their own (and if they do, you can report them to the mods). Wouldn't it be all right for customers to designate the ships as they see fit and place a reference as to the ship's original design? I do that for vessels adopted from other players (eg. My Aequatio-class BBCN vessels are in actuality, License-built Doujin-class vessels provided by FDI).

Aequatio class BBCN - Doujin class BBCN
compared to
Hood class Battleship - Indomitable class Heavy Dreadnought

They sound like completely different ships .When people use this in combat, I watn the other side to think 'oh crap, they're fielding a Hood', not 'Oh crap, they're fielding an indigenous warship that looks alot like one of Quester's designs.'

Though I guess you are kinda right.

OOC: What it the crew size of this ship? I looked at every part of your first post and could not find it.

Had I not been such a small nation with such a small brown-water navy taht I can't even defend myself adequately, and if I'd have a large enough defense budget and if I'd known how to RP a naval battle, I would have purchased one of them. Its a beautiful ship.

OOC: What it the crew size of this ship? I looked at every part of your first post and could not find it.

It's under the huge font that says specifications at the very start of the write-up.

It's under the huge font that says specifications at the very start of the write-up.

OOC: I checked again and don’t see nothing on it. I look right where you said and only found Length, Beam(Trimaran), Draught and Displacement. Nothing to do with the crew.

I missed the word crew. You're right, he doesn't state it.

I only buy thing that have size of the crew on it.

FutureEngland Naval Forces would be interested in buying 4 of these for a sum of £3.4 Trillion Pounds Sterling(OOC: your making extra profit), We look forward to introducing these ships to our existing Naval Forces

OOC: It'd be helpful if you would put the limit of the number a nation can purchase in as big bold letters as the price.

FutureEngland Naval Forces would be interested in buying 4 of these for a sum of £3.4 Trillion Pounds Sterling(OOC: your making extra profit), We look forward to introducing these ships to our existing Naval Forces

...No.

Trans, sorry about that, I forgot it, complement added.

Lost Hills, yes it would, you are right. Unfortunately, I am too lazy.

OOC: Then can you tell me...?

The limit is 1, except I negotiated OOC with MP for 3.

Official Military Department Statement

The Shahanshah of Parthia has determined that this vessel is perhaps the finest possible addition to the Parthian navy availible, and therefore, would like to purchase a single Hood class vessel. If approved, the necessary funds will be wired to a specified account.

We would also like to congratulate the research and development team for their excellent work. If they accept, a crate of fine brandy will be sent posthaste.

-Defense Minister, Lord Marshall Rostam Bahari

The Dominion will like to place an order for one Hood class Battleship. We need a new flagship for our navy and through this big ass ship would fit everything we need. The money will be wired upon confirmation. ~ Prince Calvin Saint Clair, the Sea Marshal of the Dominion Navy

OOC: Don’t take the word ’ass’ is pointed at you. It is just Calvin’s way. He never watches what he says.

OOC: Okeydoke.

Lost Hills Department of Defense
Office of Procurement

Lost Hills would like to withdraw our earlier request for five Hood Class Battleships and resubmit the order for 1. The funds will be wired upon confirmation.

FutureEngland Naval Forces would like to purchase 1 Hood class ship which comes to £850 billion pounds sterling

Is the price for the production rights or for one ship? Eiether way great ship.

OOC: Any response?

OOC: *sniffs* Hey guys, you smell that? ....Yea, that's the smell of godmoding, and its horrendously UNBEARABLE! Most definetely not possible, the weight in the middle of that thing would either spit it in half, or sink it indefinetly! I'm not whining, and you can stop me from telling you the truth! I don't really care what these noobs say, that so-called "ship" of yours in utterly impossible. Again, not "flaming", "complaining", or "whining", just simply stating the truth.

P.S.: Oh, and even if a ship this godmodingly big is possible, why in the f***ing universe would you want to sell it?!?!

OOC: What dumbass wants a ship this big? All it means is; if you have a ship this big. 'Rod from God' it. Or it's a really fucking big ship that you can't possibly in hell miss.

OOC: Not to but in, but I think he was looking for constructive Criticism...

How do you think the bow will stand up to rogue waves (which have destroyed the front of aircraft carriers during WW2)?

OOC: Yeah mine is, never make a ship this big because all you think when you see it is. 'Kill that big mother fucker first.' and because of how big it is. Your going to use a big weapon; and in my case a 'Rod from God' where'as if you built say a very effective medium sized corvette or cruiser. A ship that couldn't stand out in a modern military though yes put a damn good fight above any body elses ship then thats the way you should go. Because there is no way in hell I'd waste one of my rods from god on a smaller ship.

OOC: Not to but in, but I think he was looking for constructive Criticism...
Possibly, but desprate godmoding calls for destructive criticism.

OOC: Yeah mine is, never make a ship this big because all you think when you see it is. 'Kill that big mother fucker first.' and because of how big it is. Your going to use a big weapon; and in my case a 'Rod from God' where'as if you built say a very effective medium sized corvette or cruiser. A ship that couldn't stand out in a modern military though yes put a damn good fight above any body elses ship then thats the way you should go. Because there is no way in hell I'd waste one of my rods from god on a smaller ship.
1) You aren't making sense. Of course people want to kill it. That's why it's got a little thing called protection. Like armour and so on.

2) Ever hear of a corvette or a cruiser mounting 762mm guns or carrying 40,000 missiles? Seriously, what do you think are the obvious advantages of such a battleship?

3) The OP specifically asked everyone not to do this. When Matt wakes up (lazy Brits <.<), he'll tell you the same thing. So I'd recommend leaving this thread and deleting your previous posts. This is II, and threads belong to the original poster here. -Rome-, same goes for you.

Possibly, but desprate godmoding calls for destructive criticism.
Yay! I know how to use the bold key too! Because I can't make sense any other way, I have to rely on bold to get my painfully illogical points across! :rolleyes:

FUCK OFF noob

FUCK OFF noob
OOC: What the hell? He has a point. You're being the n00b, you're here just flaming and bashing.

Actually, no. If you had read my fucking post in the first place, you would realize that I specifically said; and I quote:
Again, not "flaming", "complaining", or "whining", just simply stating the truth.

OOC: Ok, the guy thinks he knows something. Well, y'know what? Just cause you say something's not flaming doesn't mean it isn't. Plus, you're response to Czardas right now...you think that's not flaming/bashing/whatever? I actually did read your "fucking post earlier". It isn't particlularly helpful to Questers about his ship...

OOC: What the hell? He has a point. You're being the n00b, you're here just flaming and bashing.
Oh god look, the Noobie Squad is after my truth-telling ass!

FUCK OFF noob
By resorting to flaming, you're painting yourself as the n00b here. I don't particularly care if you've been around since March 2003. I don't particularly care if you know more about ships than I do. The fact remains, you are violating the wishes of the thread starter, bashing, and flaming. I would strongly recommend that you leave this thread and delete your posts, before I or another participant in this thread reports you to the moderation staff.

You should be ashamed. You've been here three years, yet you still engage in this kind of behavior... Nations from 2006 have more maturity. /sigh/

Actually I'm usually not like that. It's just that when new players in this game act like this, its like a modern version of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

Oh god look, the Noobie Squad is after my truth-telling ass!
"Truth"? Given the right displacement and density, a ship of any dimensions can float. Add that to the fact that several dozen highly esteemed NS designers, some of whom have studied the subject to a considerably greater degree (http://s13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom), have confirmed the design as workable, and your "truth-telling" suddenly stands on very dubious ground.

Have you ever worked for a shipbuilding company? Or served as an officer in the Navy?

OOC: perhaps if you actually studied the designs a bit, maybe consulted with Questers, you might actually understand the thing, Rome...jeez. Spend some time on the subject, don't just barge in and label it as crap. It's entirely feasible and a good design as well. Let's all just leave the flaming behind and leave the thread now...

Actually I'm usually not like that. It's just that when new players in this game act like this, its like a modern version of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
Also, I'd watch who you're calling a n00b. As a player, I've been around since 2003, consistently since 2004...

OOC: Trust me, Rome...I'm no n00b...I have plenty more experiance on these forums than you do, I think...just look at the post count, check out my history...

Now let's all leave the thread to take it's original purpose.

Actually, to tell you the truth on a RL level:
I am currently a junior in High School, and when I graduate I am going to enlist in the Valley Forge Military College. After I graduate in the two years I'm there, I plan to finish my last two years in the Military Academy, and then after that, (if all goes to plan) I am going to join the U.S. Army as a First Lieutenant.

Hey, how long would a ship need to be before the curvature of the earth came into effect?

Actually, to tell you the truth on a RL level:
I am currently a junior in High School, and when I graduate I am going to enlist in the Valley Forge Military College. After I graduate in the two years I'm there, I plan to finish my last two years in the Military Academy, and then after that, (if all goes to plan) I am going to join the U.S. Army as a First Lieutenant.
OOC: What does that have to do about you having military knowledge of design of any type?

In theory, one atomic diametre, in practice, probably about 3 or 4 kilometres

Look I ain't got time to be arguing with y'all alright? I gotta use the bathroom, I'm out. Later......much.

OOC: What does that have to do about you having military knowledge of design of any type?
It has plenty to do with my military knowledge. Over the years, I have read and studied A LOT of military articles. Since I was born I knew that I wanted to be in the military. I studied each branch, of the US, France, Italy, whatever interested me. I must credit James F. Dunnigan though, for he is the one who wrote the book which that made me want to join the Army. I gotta go now, my bladder is about to burst....oh god!!

Trying to keep formal here.

RL situations have no place on the IC forums, This is NS design This is different from real life.
This ship has been deemed to work by many people. If Hoggy was so bothered by you i'm sure he would show you the rest of the writeup that many people would not read.

This is not a case of godmodding, as the design has been lying around on the Draftroom since April 6th and nobody complained. And many people own ships around the world, this big.

Nice ship btw, I would use a few more seaplanes for personal defence and extended recon. And other things ive noticed like barrage balloons would make a nice last defence.
Only thing i would say is that long open spaces of VLS might be pretty vunerable to stray pieces of shot down aircraft.

EDIT: gaw, you have that covered.

Small things ive just thought of like spare barrels with dockyard style cranes next to the guns would be useful for changing at sea. Torpedo nets, torpedo tubes. Small auxillary boats, life rafts, all the bits people never generally think of.

Nice boat, would hope to never meet this on the seas with my vast 350m dreadnought.

OOC: *sniffs* Hey guys, you smell that? ....Yea, that's the smell of godmoding, and its horrendously UNBEARABLE! Most definetely not possible, the weight in the middle of that thing would either spit it in half, or sink it indefinetly! I'm not whining, and you can stop me from telling you the truth! I don't really care what these noobs say, that so-called "ship" of yours in utterly impossible. Again, not "flaming", "complaining", or "whining", just simply stating the truth.

P.S.: Oh, and even if a ship this godmodingly big is possible, why in the f***ing universe would you want to sell it?!?!

OOC-Rome, many, many fleets weild SD's. Considering you are trying to argue with someone who has done hours and hours of research into ship design and such, trying to force your oppinion that it would "Break in half" and Godmodding is simply void.

If Matt Does not want to discuss it with you, fine, then just leave the discussion. It is Possible, considering the massive budgets of Nationstates nations, some nearly 6 times the size of China, and with thus, if they have the supplies and designs. They can build them. You are not winning anyone over by trying to argue that it is impossible, and simply annoying users interested in buying a ship will not help you in the long run.

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Super-Dreadnoughts

Sparta Infensus, you little twerp, it's fairly obvious that neither you or -Rome- are actually literate! My my, the state of our education system today.. (well, yours, thankfully I don't live within 5000km of you) For the sake of the entire forum, I suggest Sparta, that you return to Habbo Hotel where you are actually wanted by someone and aren't just an irritance.

Little note here. If you think it's intelligent, witty, amusing, or just plain useful to whine about how you think that this ship couldn't float, or move, or whatever, or how it wouldn't fit in any RL port, then go cry a river. Somewhere else. I don't care about your moaning and your whining and your threat of ignore. And, I think, neither does anyone else.
However, because your attempts are laughable and you constantly fail, and also because you have enraged me with your unfounded statements, I will reply to your unneccessary, unthoughtout, and generally harmful to the community and MYSELF at the moment when I'm not actually feeling too good post. Congrats.

Secondly, there's NO evidence WHATSOEVER that a vessel this large would not float, if you are a tenth intelligent as you claim (unlikely, more like twentieth) then you would understand that bouyancy is not to do with how heavy something is you idiot, its to do with how upward force alllows it to float. My dimensions are well thought out and correct and the displacement is balanced enough for this ship to float. One of my very good friends who took a university course in shipbuilding, in the United Kingdom no less, agrees this ship would float and I am led to believe that The Freethinkers is considerably more knowledgable than you are!

Thirdly, you know what effect using your 'rods of god' would have on this ship Sparta? NONE! Because EVERY decent RPer in this forum ignores your godmodded-to-hell pieces of crap. But hey, lets ignore that little fact, or the opening posts warning about talking about that kinda stuff, eh? Maybe if you would have approached this thread in a more polite manner I would be less pissed off, but what can we expect from you Sparta, the new II troll in training?

Thanks, for a moment there I was thinking for a minute that noone would post any mindless crap on my thread, hats off to you to for pissing me off, that was extremely intelligent of you. To be fair, I don't give a crap about your opinion, I have spent upwards of £60 on books concerning capital warship (actually, just battleships) excellent books such as Janusz Skulski's 'The Battleship YAMATO' providing me with an insight allowing me to write my writeup. The fact I spent money on books to research this and spent countless hours doing calculations is essentially worthless when people like you can make a brief post saying 'UR SHIP IS GAYYY IT WOUOLD NOT FLOET', no?

I personally agree that SDs are probably impossible but I'm tired of arguing about it so I just come up with ways to kill them instead :cool:

(victory via ad nauseum is still a victory I guess)

Sparta Infensus, you little twerp, it's fairly obvious that neither you or -Rome- are actually literate! My my, the state of our education system today.. (well, yours, thankfully I don't live within 5000km of you) For the sake of the entire forum, I suggest Sparta, that you return to Habbo Hotel where you are actually wanted by someone and aren't just an irritance.


However, because your attempts are laughable and you constantly fail, and also because you have enraged me with your unfounded statements, I will reply to your unneccessary, unthoughtout, and generally harmful to the community and MYSELF at the moment when I'm not actually feeling too good post. Congrats.

Secondly, there's NO evidence WHATSOEVER that a vessel this large would not float, if you are a tenth intelligent as you claim (unlikely, more like twentieth) then you would understand that bouyancy is not to do with how heavy something is you idiot, its to do with how upward force alllows it to float. My dimensions are well thought out and correct and the displacement is balanced enough for this ship to float. One of my very good friends who took a university course in shipbuilding, in the United Kingdom no less, agrees this ship would float and I am led to believe that The Freethinkers is considerably more knowledgable than you are!

Thirdly, you know what effect using your 'rods of god' would have on this ship Sparta? NONE! Because EVERY decent RPer in this forum ignores your godmodded-to-hell pieces of crap. But hey, lets ignore that little fact, or the opening posts warning about talking about that kinda stuff, eh? Maybe if you would have approached this thread in a more polite manner I would be less pissed off, but what can we expect from you Sparta, the new II troll in training?

Thanks, for a moment there I was thinking for a minute that noone would post any mindless crap on my thread, hats off to you to for pissing me off, that was extremely intelligent of you. To be fair, I don't give a crap about your opinion, I have spent upwards of £60 on books concerning capital warship (actually, just battleships) excellent books such as Janusz Skulski's 'The Battleship YAMATO' providing me with an insight allowing me to write my writeup. The fact I spent money on books to research this and spent countless hours doing calculations is essentially worthless when people like you can make a brief post saying 'UR SHIP IS GAYYY IT WOUOLD NOT FLOET', no?


I completely agree with %99.99 of this post. Just not the Rods of God point. They're possible. But let's leave that for another thread.

IC:

Pythogria is interested in accuiring one of these fine vessels for $850 Billion USD.

OOC: I can afford it, as I straighten out funding with my factbook. My Defence budget it RPed as 15% of my GDP.

Sparta Infensus, you little twerp, it's fairly obvious that neither you or -Rome- are actually literate! My my, the state of our education system today.. (well, yours, thankfully I don't live within 5000km of you) For the sake of the entire forum, I suggest Sparta, that you return to Habbo Hotel where you are actually wanted by someone and aren't just an irritance.


However, because your attempts are laughable and you constantly fail, and also because you have enraged me with your unfounded statements, I will reply to your unneccessary, unthoughtout, and generally harmful to the community and MYSELF at the moment when I'm not actually feeling too good post. Congrats.

Secondly, there's NO evidence WHATSOEVER that a vessel this large would not float, if you are a tenth intelligent as you claim (unlikely, more like twentieth) then you would understand that bouyancy is not to do with how heavy something is you idiot, its to do with how upward force alllows it to float. My dimensions are well thought out and correct and the displacement is balanced enough for this ship to float. One of my very good friends who took a university course in shipbuilding, in the United Kingdom no less, agrees this ship would float and I am led to believe that The Freethinkers is considerably more knowledgable than you are!

Thirdly, you know what effect using your 'rods of god' would have on this ship Sparta? NONE! Because EVERY decent RPer in this forum ignores your godmodded-to-hell pieces of crap. But hey, lets ignore that little fact, or the opening posts warning about talking about that kinda stuff, eh? Maybe if you would have approached this thread in a more polite manner I would be less pissed off, but what can we expect from you Sparta, the new II troll in training?

Thanks, for a moment there I was thinking for a minute that noone would post any mindless crap on my thread, hats off to you to for pissing me off, that was extremely intelligent of you. To be fair, I don't give a crap about your opinion, I have spent upwards of £60 on books concerning capital warship (actually, just battleships) excellent books such as Janusz Skulski's 'The Battleship YAMATO' providing me with an insight allowing me to write my writeup. The fact I spent money on books to research this and spent countless hours doing calculations is essentially worthless when people like you can make a brief post saying 'UR SHIP IS GAYYY IT WOUOLD NOT FLOET', no?
OOC: How the hell am I a twerp? All I was saying is Big Ship = Big Target. Big Target = Not good. Thats all my post was saying A-Hole.

OOC: How the hell am I a twerp? All I was saying is Big Ship = Big Target. Big Target = Not good. Thats all my post was saying A-Hole.

HEY, stop with the swearing and flaming. If you can't argue without flaming ans wearing, DON'T ARGUE AT ALL.

Hey Questers: Because the bow is weiged down by armor, that puts it at risk for rogue waves, which spring out of nowhere and can be quite large. I've seen pictures of WW2 aircraft carriers that looked like they hit a concrete wall from a single wave. How will this ship, because of the added list, be affected?

Oh yeah, and if you even think of saying 'haha, I'll just nuke it' I will get seriously angry. I'm warning you, please do not say that. Or even hint at it.

Ahem.

Ahem.OOC: Except I didn't just say that. I was saying because it's such a big target it tempts people to use such big weapons. Yes this ship is Intimidating though it calls for extra attention from military forces. Say if you toned down the size a bit it'd make it a bit more unfavorable for using weapons of mass-destruction

Ah, Mer, the ship is essentially big enough to ignore them. Eh, did you get the TG? Freeboards of 40m or so, heh.

OOC: Yeah mine is, never make a ship this big because all you think when you see it is. 'Kill that big mother fucker first.' and because of how big it is. Your going to use a big weapon; and in my case a 'Rod from God' where'as if you built say a very effective medium sized corvette or cruiser. A ship that couldn't stand out in a modern military though yes put a damn good fight above any body elses ship then thats the way you should go. Because there is no way in hell I'd waste one of my rods from god on a smaller ship.

And for the records, a medium sized corvette wouldn't be oceangoing, and I have highly competent cruisers anyway.

OOC: Can you please read my edited post Questers? And if you have highly competitant Cruisers, why not use them?

I do use them.

By the way, noone is going to even bother using WMDs on it because there will be retalation in the same kind. Besides, it could survive nukes quite easily.

I do use them.

By the way, noone is going to even bother using WMDs on it because there will be retalation in the same kind. Besides, it could survive nukes quite easily.OOC: Though can the same be said about a chunk of flaming metal from space?

Also I don't doubt that it could survive a nuke but the nuclear fallout. The radiation would be a HUGE problem.

Yep, Sure did. I removed that part of my post so none of the little wankers will go screaming about it. A rogue wave is pretty big, with a height of 30 meters and a trough of 30 meters (plus or minus), combined with the 100,000 tonnes/m^2, it is a lot of force. While you did post the draft, you didn't post the height (or one that I could find). In real terms, I think that height might be enough to hit the deck of a Nimitz. That and how big is the runway on this? You have an AWACS as your sensory aircraft, could you be thinking of the E-2 Hawkeye, which is ment to be carrier borne?

I personally agree that SDs are probably impossible but I'm tired of arguing about it so I just come up with ways to kill them instead :cool:

(victory via ad nauseum is still a victory I guess)

Odd logic. SDs are probably impossible, but the bloody massive armoured airships that you deploy, which would defy the laws of physics themselves are just fine? That's laughable...

It's the same kind of thing as the E2. They're launched from a seaplane deck about 60m up. The weather deck itself is probably 40. The beam and the displacement would probably just make huge rogue waves smash into it adn founder. There may be some structural problems because as I said it was structurally weak, but there we go.

Odd logic. SDs are probably impossible, but the bloody massive armoured airships that you deploy, which would defy the laws of physics themselves are just fine? That's laughable...

Agreed. SDs are physically possible. Difficult and expensive, but possible.

Those airships? Pfft.

It's the same kind of thing as the E2. They're launched from a seaplane deck about 60m up. The weather deck itself is probably 40. The beam and the displacement would probably just make huge rogue waves smash into it adn founder. There may be some structural problems because as I said it was structurally weak, but there we go.

Question: Could my nation modify this a little? Like by reinforcing everything and such?

Please, lets not get into a discussion about AN's airships. Take it to TG:p

Pyth, why would you want to? That's INCREDIBLY expensive.

OOC: Though can the same be said about a chunk of flaming metal from space?

Also I don't doubt that it could survive a nuke but the nuclear fallout. The radiation would be a HUGE problem.

Godrods are rather difficult to control, which is always a problem. Plus, anyone tries launching a godrod at one of Hoggy's vessels, and a few of the ships from my Republican Space Force might want to have a chat with the launching apparatus.

Look, SDs have been debated ad nausium and seen as fine. Everyone's accepted them, so should you. Oh, and no-one will use use nukes - no one sane, anyway. Most RPers on here take any nuclear response to be a major nuclear attack, and will respond in kind against cities and the like.

Allright, I just thought that the E2 was ment to be catapulted while the E3 was not. I'll take your word on it though.

Please, lets not get into a discussion about AN's airships. Take it to TG:p

Pyth, why would you want to? That's INCREDIBLY expensive.

My apologies Hoggy. I just won't like people making snarky comments about SDs when their own technology is just as unbelievable, is all.

They're floatplanes :P Impractical, stupid, outdated, but they're COOL.

Pyth, why would you want to? That's INCREDIBLY expensive.

Well, you said it was "structurally weak". How weak is it?

OOC: Here, I have a small question to see if the hood would survive.

Say a nuke was not fired at the Hood but instead under it. Directly under the center of the ship but not to split it; though to vaporize the water under it. If enough of the area of water were vaporized. There would be no water under the center to support it so there would be an immense amount of stress around the middle and so wouldn't it crack at the center?

I know nobody would in fear of retaliation. Though just a small theory...

What if you took two people, one with a helmet, one without, and shot both in the head at.. 10m~ with a .50 pistol?

What if one of them had another person in front of him?

Hope that answers your question ;-)

Sparta, it would actually do something else. You would need a really big weapon to do it. Scientists figured that if the gas compisition of water were changed (such as by having methane leak fast enough from under the ship), it would cause the entire ship to sink outright. This applies to all ships though.

Well, you said it was "structurally weak". How weak is it?
That's because of size, not armour. The armour is sound.

That's because of size, not armour. The armour is sound.

OK, so this is just as strong as my normal warship or better?

OK, so this is just as strong as my normal warship or better?

...You what?

...You what?

I'm asking if this is on par in ability to take hits with your average NS ship.

Well, better, because theres alot more armour. This beast can shrug off 635mm rounds to the belt.

Well, better, because theres alot more armour. This beast can shrug off 635mm rounds to the belt.

O_O

I'll be back for another two once my budget can handle it!

I *did* say one was the limit.

I *did* say one was the limit.

Oh. Whoops. Well, once I need another after my Hood's life is over, I'll come.

Well, I'm currently developing Renown which'll be even better, so meh.

Well, I'm currently developing Renown which'll be even better, so meh.

Then I think I'll buy that.

Seriously. You make really good ships.

Hey Questers, check your TG, let me know what you think? Maybe sell both the ship and some o those?

They're floatplanes :P Impractical, stupid, outdated, but they're COOL.

Not sure about them being stupid and impractical. I've sold 800 seaplanes from my aviation storefront to Democratic Colonies, and I'd bet he knows alot more about this RPing than I do.

And I agree on the cool factor as well.

Replying now, mer. Check any minute.

Pyth, Renown is going to be my last 1km+ ship. End of an era :(

Replying now, mer. Check any minute.

Pyth, Renown is going to be my last 1km+ ship. End of an era :(

Aw... but how long is the Renown going to be?

Ehm, hold on:
'Dimensions: 1,884M L x 299M B x 52M D
Displacement: 15,242,360 T'

Ehm, hold on:
'Dimensions: 1,884M L x 299M B x 52M D
Displacement: 15,242,360 T'

So a lot smaller than the Hood. But will it have more weapons, armor, etc.? If you want to keep it secret, I'm OK with that.

whoops, thats actually bigger than Hood, heh. Well, sneak peak:
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f16/MattShipwrighter/Questers/Ships/HMSRenownG.png
WIP obviously.

whoops, thats actually bigger than Hood, heh. Well, sneak peak:
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f16/MattShipwrighter/Questers/Ships/HMSRenownG.png
WIP obviously.

Yes, definately WIP.

But it looks great thus far.

OOC: Questers... I AM DEFINITELY GOING TO FUCKING BUY ME ONE OF THOSE!... Thank you for providing NS with insanely overpowered and intimidating though pheasable meritime vehicles =)

lol, thanks.

--SECRET IC--

To: Questers
From: Mr. White, foreign affairs officer
Subject: The Hood
Message: The Dominion is interested in the purchase of one of your most excelent naval vessels. From what I have seen you do fine work and it will be a fine addition to our navy. Our order consists of;

-1 Hood Class OMFG

The total cost will come to eighty-five billion USD. (($85,000,000,000 USD))

We are also interested in any further projects you may release.

Good day,
Mr. White

Was that 2 bridges?!?

OOC: Questers... I AM DEFINITELY GOING TO FUCKING BUY ME ONE OF THOSE!... Thank you for providing NS with insanely overpowered and intimidating though pheasable meritime vehicles =)

change of heart.
The Renown looks to be another Brilliant ship. I hope you put the full writeup on the draftroom.
Again, i like to do things differently in the way of ship design but, i admire your patience on paint and your attention to detail.

May I buy one over 8 years? (Paying 100 billion per year and 150 billion on the final year...)

I'd like to purchase one of these. Does the payment need to be all at once, or can I stagger it? If it needs to be all at once, I'll have to wait a while before my purchase.

Lost Hills Department of Defense
Office of Procurement

Lost Hills would like to withdraw our earlier request for five Hood Class Battleships and resubmit the order for 1. The funds will be wired upon confirmation.

:)

I, the President of -Rome- would like to appologize for my behavior yesterday on your thread. After consulting with my top military advisors, I have discovered that your new ship is in fact possible....however, you have a small problem: your rudder is way too small. Even still, we will not tolerate any insults of our education system. Our citizens are actually QUITE intelligent thank you very much. Also, if it is possible, could you construct an image of what the HMS Hood looks like below the water? I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you in advance.

Marcius Cognus Antonius, President of -Rome-

OOC PS: I am actually very intelligent. I have a 3.6 GPA thank you very much.

OOC PS: I am actually very intelligent. I have a 3.6 GPA thank you very much.
[ooc:] Oh, amazing. I didn't know intelligence was measured these days by the memorisation of useless facts to satisfy some school board or other. You learn something new every day, I guess.

Seriously... GPA is as meaningless as IQ when it comes to intelligence. I have an IQ of 177; does that mean I'm more intelligent than someone with an IQ of 80? If I'm in the 99th percentile in the SAT and someone else is in the 33rd, does that mean I'm necessarily more intelligent than they are? No. Patently no.

/sigh/

Look, my patience is wearing VERY thin with you! You need to step off, twerp and show some respect for your ol' head. Quite frankly, I do not really care what your IQ is. I actually had taken that test last year. My results showed that I had a 201 IQ. So let me get that chump.

PS: This isn't the forum for RL situations, so fall back.

Look, my patience is wearing VERY thin with you! You need to step off, twerp and show some respect for your ol' head. Quite frankly, I do not really care what your IQ is. I actually had taken that test last year. My results showed that I had a 201 IQ. So let me get that chump.
So? You have an IQ of 201. Frankly, if you had an IQ of 301 or 401, it would have no bearing on actual intelligence.... just on your ability to memorise facts and take tests. And name-calling isn't exactly helping your case either.

Don't talk to me anymore. I do not have time for your petty words.

My pleasure. :)

Office of the Defence Tribunal Acquisitions Department

The Church of the Tribunal wishes to acquire one of these ships, and would like to inquire wether or not it is possible to pay for such a purchase over a period of ten years?

ooc: *falls to ground raises arms to sky and screams* CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG???

ic: Colorado and Texas are interested you ship. Unfortinitly(sp) it would dwarf our meager fleets.

i would like to see 2 of those clash against one another

i would like to see 2 of those clash against one another

Well, my Hood-Class and Leocardia's Juki-Class are duuking it out in the "Invasion on Pythogria" thread.

Juki class?

Juki class?

Ask Leocardia about it. All I know is that it likes to nuke Hoods and it's big, but smaller than the Hood.

might have been useful to know the actual stats for the thing..

might have been useful to know the actual stats for the thing..

Like I said, Leocardia should have them.

OOC:
HOGG,
I noticed you mentioned suffering some structural weakness in the vessel.

You mind pming me with the cause because i have done some reading on these over sized ships--I didnt believe they were possible-- having found that the material limitations for ship building are actually quite extreme, I submit to you that your ship would not be suffering any structural compromise, perhaps.

IC:

The Armed Republic of Skibereen would purchase the most impressive Battleship 'Hood'.

As well, Skibereen would seek to contract a suitable port be constructed at the Skibereenian Colony near the Questers Colonies, until such time as Questerian engineers might be found to aid in the construction of a spcielized port in Skibereen proper.

OOC: Are you ignoring further requests for purchase?

bump for Questers

I think Matt said he was blocking further purchases on IRC... not sure though.

:/_:

What about nations that don't like to be involved in nuclear wars? Or those that won't combat a godmod with a godmod?

Has my order been declined, or simply missed?

I think Matt said he was blocking further purchases on IRC... not sure though.

:/_:

Correct. No further purchases will be made.

Official Allanean Response

Our needs, many as they are, call for another Hood.

Looks scary, but..

Need moar guns! :D

The Sovereign Xenophobic Kingdom of Aschenhyrst wishes to Purchase (1) Hood Class Flagship. $850 Billion USD to be wired upon confirmation of order. HRH Mark II, King of Aschenhyrst

nice ship but, how much does it cost to maintain one of these per annum?

Leocardia needs to buy one.

I think he said it can't be bought any more. but if it can be, I want one.

The Wilhelm-Hatarian Empire would like to purchase a single Hood-class Super Dreadnaught. We will pay you the $850,000,000,000 fee, and throw in an extra $50 Billion as a gesture of good faith.

He isn't selling them anymore, does no one read?

Build your own, you cheapskates! That's what the Atopians did! Well, OK, so ours are mere minnows compared to the Hood, but fuck it, the Primo Frank-class vessels are good enough. :)

Build your own, you cheapskates! That's what the Atopians did! Well, OK, so ours are mere minnows compared to the Hood, but fuck it, the Primo Frank-class vessels are good enough. :)

Unless your nation has previous ship building experience then I would expect it to be very low if near impossible to build such a large vessel. Anything larger than 1km is unrealistic for small nations because of the need for dredged deep water ports, huge dry docks as you can't build it on a slipway because of the weight. The logistics need serious planning to maintain a ship of this size and you need to design your navy around them specifically.

Unless your nation has previous ship building experience then I would expect it to be very low if near impossible to build such a large vessel. Anything larger than 1km is unrealistic for small nations because of the need for dredged deep water ports, huge dry docks as you can't build it on a slipway because of the weight. The logistics need serious planning to maintain a ship of this size and you need to design your navy around them specifically.

Well yeh, why do you think we built three ports (each with dry docks) specifically for the Primo Frank class vessels, of which we have two? We spent 15 years building the logistics before we even started on the vessels themselves...! With some decent planning, you can put a pocket-super-battleship into your Navy in just a quarter of a century.