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This is semi ic semi ooc:

Disclaimer: I know many people might take offense to this, because its mostly true in my opinion, but its just that my opinion, if you don’t agree with me feel free to post it here, I’m open to people.

I am not sure were this entire issue apparently began, but what I do know is this has turned in to a huge Charlie fox trot between the “haves” and “have not’s” pre say.

I’m sure many nations old enough to remember know about the temporal accord and how it was used as a poor excuse for thread hijack for no reason what so ever.

There is also an entity apparently that’s called “the temporal council” a bunch of all powerful authorities on the use of temporal technology, they are another joke.

The fact is, NS is free form, we shouldn’t be subjected to constant harassment by nations who think temporal tech is there toys only, its like dealing with toddlers who do not know better.



The main problem with these temporal councils and temporal accords is that, they used to canvas ns all the time attacking threads and nations because they had temporal tech.

These “nations” only want it in there elitist club, they don’t want to “share” because IT would be OMFG dangerous for some nation not using temporal tech for going back in time and wanking to have it. It got on my nerves to hear and see temporal accord nations like indra prime, rush in to threads, and HIJACK them with stupid invasions for no reason just because there was some temporal tech involved, meanwhile the whole affair never involved them, but they did it any way to show that they had (insert vile comment here) than every one else.

These nations will use OOC scare tactics on msn aim or were ever else or telegrams, they will say we will invade you if you don’t sign this silly piece of paper called the temporal accord or we will get nations on ns to ignore you, and I quote from what indra prime said “I will get ns to ignore you” he said that to me, if I dared to use temporal tech. They apparently want to keep this tech out of irresponsible nations hands, well you can Just IGNORE nations who try to use this tech godmodingly use it.

But no they have to go in and declare they are the alpha omegas of this technology, and say if any other nation accept the ones we invite in to our little elite club uses this, we will “OMFG L337 PWN3RS them”



Now many nations may ignore the aspects of this technology, I don’t blame them, But having ooc convos with TA and TC members, and them saying every one ignores my temp tech is ridiculous, they think they speak for all of FT Ns.


I for one do not expect all of ns to accept my tech or forgive me for my past, but I do have limits, I don’t go back in time unless its for a plot device or an rp that has been planned out with another nation. I don t jump in to battle and say my temporal weapons pwn you instantly.

Hell rail guns can pound down my shields if you hit them with it enough, so no my tech isn’t uber, and it will never be so the entire notion of ns ignoring me completely is unfounded and ridiculous on there part, I might get flamed for this entire article, I expect it but I can take the heat in a mature manner.

Larger nations from the ns forums might read this and laugh, well that’s there choice isn’t it ? I Don’t expect them to understand the frustration I feel from all this brawling, and in fact there are innuendoes and rumors saying that the entire club that indra founded will be rebinding, causing more aggravation in rps. Any who feel free to ignore this if you don’t want to hear my opinion, It’s a free forum an d a free country.



PS:
I do use temporal tech, for drives and shields , and some temporal weapons, but I use it in conjunction with other things, This is free form rp I don’t expect people to take insta kill damage from my temporal weapons at all, I find that boring unless its for a plot, I want battles to be dragged out, and if certain nations ignore me for the tech, then they wont ever see how I rp it, and that’s a shame .

having a few so called elite nations with the technology to travel back in time and then trying to lay down rules that nobody else can do so without their say so sounds very wrong to me.

with there being more possibilities than just time travel its my opinion that a nation prepared to put in the time,money and R&D into these techonologies should not be stopped by a 'temporal council'.

if used responsibily the technology could do a lot of good.

I'm a fence-sitter on this one. Travelling through time is surprisingly easy. Just about everyone with any form of FTL tech has done it by accident, perhaps by warping too near a stellar mass (Star Trek) or gating through a supernova (SG1), or even reverse-engineering alien tech (7 Days). But it is also very dangerous, and should be monitored. However, as a newcomer to this galaxy, I don't know these Temporal Accord nations. I have no reason to think they are any better equipped to patrol the timeline than anyone else.

Before I start, readers must be warned that, TFU has a habit of complaining about anything that disallows him from being the absolute best (In his mind) at anything, for instance, he used to seek membership in the ESUS, to be fair, we assigned him a tester who was actually hopeful he would get in, TFU didn't even score a 40% on the first test, and never finished the second. Now, since he was disallowed the instant gratification of entrance, he absolutely loves to bash the ESUS, simply because it’s not as powerful as it once was.

Now, with that little disclaimer...

Here’s the deal:
In the middle of the year 2003, a nation appeared named Indra Prime, it was some time later, around 4 months, that he introduced the concept of 'Temporal Technology', something people had thought of, but never truly capitalized on. Indra took it to a new level with all sorts of incredibly witty gizmos, gadgets, and devices, it was not surprising that when he formed the Temporal Accord, he did receive enough support to make it (forgive me if I use this term loosely) *Official*.

Nations who possessed such technology were assigned levels as a classification for how advanced and powerful their temporal technology was, but no one was explicitly banned from developing temporal technology, so long as they didn't progress past a certain point, I believe this point was considered 'Level IV'.

(I also believe you will find a very humorous post from when I was still a young nation on the first page of the TA thread. Ahh to be young again... ; ) )



The entire concept of the TA was to keep the following from occurring:

"I launch Missiles at you!"

"Oh yeah? Well I just went back in time and erased you from existence, oh, and you suck!"


Indra and many others felt that, without supervision, this problem could spiral out of control quickly, and the TA began enforcing its articles. They also wanted a similar *rule* as to the 'No nuclear weapons on your first month' rule, which was to be, 'No Temporal Weapons until your third or fourth month' but this never completely took off as Indra had to take a vacation for unexplained reasons. Members continued to enforce the TA until recently.

Indra came back to find NS in complete temporal disarray, and formed the Temporal Council, a group of the Elite Temporal Nations, who would assist him in getting the problem resolved, it did in fact, perform according to plan, and the issues died down. Indra then left once again, and due to his occupation, cannot disclose why.

The Temporal Council is still working today behind the scenes, you will never find a concrete reference to it in most of the threads because we didn't organize on these forums, but on the private forums we use.

Now, its simple, you sign the accord and agree to use the technology responsibly, and you can develop as much as you want (Within Reason), you don't, and you get come after, its no different then the Non-Proliferation acts the US and other nations in RL perform to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of smaller nations.

*Snip*gating through a supernova (SG1)*Snip*

First, I just want to clarify that is a flare on our (as in Earth's) sun that caused the temporal incursions in both episodes, not a nova (which would have meant Earth went bye-bye).

@TFU: Personnally, I couldn't care less if you had temp tech or not. Its your personality I'm not too fond of.

@Siesatia: I have to agree with Kirisubo and TFU on this. Having someone think they have enough balls to tell me what I can and can't do with my nation is called godmodding, pure and simple.

First, I just want to clarify that is a flare on our (as in Earth's) sun that caused the temporal incursions in both episodes, not a nova (which would have meant Earth went bye-bye).


Thanks for the correction. I'm not as familiar with SG1 as I am with Trek, and I misremember some of the details.

Thanks for the correction. I'm not as familiar with SG1 as I am with Trek, and I misremember some of the details.
Not a problem. You're quite welcome.

Another good reason not to RP FT.

Another good reason not to RP FT.
True. But several good ones do exist as well.

Before I start, readers must be warned that, TFU has a habit of complaining about anything that disallows him from being the absolute best (In his mind) at anything, for instance, he used to seek membership in the ESUS, to be fair, we assigned him a tester who was actually hopeful he would get in, TFU didn't even score a 40% on the first test, and never finished the second. Now, since he was disallowed the instant gratification of entrance, he absolutely loves to bash the ESUS, simply because it’s not as powerful as it once was.

Indra came back to find NS in complete temporal disarray, and formed the Temporal Council, a group of the Elite Temporal Nations, who would assist him in getting the problem resolved, it did in fact, perform according to plan, and the issues died down. Indra then left once again, and due to his occupation, cannot disclose why.

Now, its simple, you sign the accord and agree to use the technology responsibly, and you can develop as much as you want (Within Reason), you don't, and you get come after, its no different then the Non-Proliferation acts the US and other nations in RL perform to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of smaller nations.



(note I snipped the quote)

Not true Siesatia, and you have a habit of bringing personal attacks upon me, when I DO have a valid point, meanwhile you try to detract me in to flaming you about what you just said.

Ohh I love to bash the ESUS Siesatia? Well if I remember correctly, your old alliance has a habit of sitting back and commenting on things you shouldn’t be commenting on, and laughing at things that don’t even involve you, like jjrs little comment on your forums when I did that thread with metahumnoids, he said and I quote “TFU’s bestiality to a whole new level” You are hardly innocent, and you can hardly say any thing about me, but I will give you I used to think about that, currently you have got me wrong though, sure I want to be the best at some things, that’s ambitious, but not every thing want to have fun not listen to people like you badgering me oocly with stupid crap.

And as for the ESUS Being powerful? I thought it was a joke, after you guys gave me that flawed rp test, which Was stupid when first proposed, because it’s a way to get people only YOU liked to get in, and say to the newbie’s, screw you.

Sure I was afraid of the ESUS at first, but not any more, you guys are washed up.


“a group of the Elite Temporal Nations”

You admit your elitist


“Now, its simple, you sign the accord and agree to use the technology responsibly”

Says who we don’t have to listen to you you are not the foremost rp authority on ns
Its called freeform.

“its no different then the Non-Proliferation acts the US and other nations in RL perform to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of smaller nations.”


YES it is, this is ns NOT RL, and its FT not RL, its called FREE FORM RP

You fail to understand that.

"TFU didn't even score a 40% on the first test”
With all due respect I don’t give a flying shit about your score ,I am much better at RPing now than I was then, many can see that BUT YOU how ever fail to, and DO NOT want to admit I’m better at rping.

“Indra came back to find NS in complete temporal disarray, and formed the Temporal Council,”


In other words He came back every one was getting the tech and using it better than he was at times and about to challenge his grand superiority, so he formed this ub3r concuil, to barge in to rps, and hijack them so only he and his group would have the tech to pwn every one later on, that’s what your saying right?

First, I just want to clarify that is a flare on our (as in Earth's) sun that caused the temporal incursions in both episodes, not a nova (which would have meant Earth went bye-bye).

@TFU: Personnally, I couldn't care less if you had temp tech or not. Its your personality I'm not too fond of.

@Siesatia: I have to agree with Kirisubo and TFU on this. Having someone think they have enough balls to tell me what I can and can't do with my nation is called godmodding, pure and simple.

ACTUALLY SQ, you're not barred from making it, you're just barred from making a certain level ICly if you don't sign the accord. It's not that you can't develop it, it's that the Indrans don't trust you with it ICly, and they want to keep an eye on you. Develop all you want, just don't be surprised if you recieve a copy of the Accord, backed by the TIF.

OOC: If I ever make the jump to FT, I would promptly stamp the IGNORE STAMP on anybody who uses 'Temporal Technology', no exceptions. Why? Because even for FT its godmodding.

@Siesatia: I have to agree with Kirisubo and TFU on this. Having someone think they have enough balls to tell me what I can and can't do with my nation is called godmodding, pure and simple.

Heh. I'd just like the state my position of neutrality before I start. I refuse to take one side over the other, simply relaying perceptions. I'd also like to state that I feel both sides are douchebags, except Rob/TFU and Indra. Rob is a puppy molester and a furry, and thus should be killed with fire as per my beliefs as a 4Channer, and I have a strong suspicion Indra is a pedophile, Char Aznable style, despite the lack of proof or any indication otherwise. I'm Neo-fucking-Mekanta. I don't need logic, damn it.

While I intend to make some points, I'm just trying to lighten the mood a bit. If you don't like it, suck a tentacle. Back on topic...

I admit there were a few glitches the TA has had in the past, but most of thier activities have been IC. Rob is... a special case. He's screwed up more times than I can count, made countless of these "call-out" threads (and had them made towards him) and keeps at it. I give him credit for not giving up and going completely emo on us all... so far as I know. Hey Rob, down the street or across the lane? </heartless comment>

But back on topic again, the TA is really no different than a bunch of big advanced countries in MT invading someone who has nukes that they believe really shouldn't have them. They are a wee bit overzealous, however, which sparks some controversy, but so far as they don't cross the IC/OOC boarder, it's really no different than if I were to, say, invade you because I didn't think you should be using shitty Treknology. Which you shouldn't. Saucerheads suck.

It is like a nonproliferation treaty, and to head off any comments about this being NS and not RL, I'd like to point out that were that applied globally, newbies would indeed be able to launch 152330530 n00ks at j00. ... Come to think of it, I think I know how GZ operates now. (I'd say it's a joke, but...)

Yeah, if the TA are asses OOC, I can see a problem, but so long as we/they (I barely count as a member) remain IC, to ignore them would be to ignore anyone who started a war with you. ... A TFU tactic. (Hey, you know I kid.)

ACTUALLY SQ, you're not barred from making it, you're just barred from making a certain level ICly if you don't sign the accord. It's not that you can't develop it, it's that the Indrans don't trust you with it ICly, and they want to keep an eye on you. Develop all you want, just don't be surprised if you recieve a copy of the Accord, backed by the TIF.


NO one on ns has to listen to inrida, Its called FREE FORM.

People could just look at him laugh and ignore him for trying to invade for no reason other to gratify him self that he’s the master of all temporal technology

I use Temporal technology, and am planning on using it in my next generation of cityships for shielding and camoflage purposes, and if some elitist council wants to stop me... They can go shove it up their backsides. It's just unfair for a few people who get there first to think that gives them any mandate to stop other people. Not to mention just plain wrong. It's the same as nukes.

Interestingly, the whole time I used Ankhmet with temporal stuff, I never got picked up by the accord :P

I use Temporal technology, and am planning on using it in my next generation of cityships for shielding and camoflage purposes, and if some elitist council wants to stop me... They can go shove it up their backsides. It's just unfair for a few people who get there first to think that gives them any mandate to stop other people.


Amen brother.

NO one on ns has to listen to inrida, Its called FREE FORM.

People could just look at him laugh and ignore him for trying to invade for no reason other to gratify him self that he’s the master of all temporal technology

But in doing that you'd have to ignore all of his backers. QUITE a few large, and well respected nations are counted among them.

OOC: If I ever make the jump to FT, I would promptly stamp the IGNORE STAMP on anybody who uses 'Temporal Technology', no exceptions. Why? Because even for FT its godmodding.

But... My temporal toaster oven...

... It twists space and time to cook pizzas before you even put them in... You'd... *sniff* ignore me for my love of pizza...?



Ohh I love to bash the ESUS Siesatia? Well if I remember correctly, your old alliance has a habit of sitting back and commenting on things you shouldn’t be commenting on, and laughing at things that don’t even involve you, like jjrs little comment on your forums when I did that thread with metahumnoids, he said and I quote “TFU’s bestiality to a whole new level” You are hardly innocent, and you can hardly say any thing about me, but I will give you I used to think about that, currently you have got me wrong though, sure I want to be the best at some things, that’s ambitious, but not every thing want to have fun not listen to people like you badgering me oocly with stupid crap.

Rob... You're a furry. You exist to be made fun of. Besides. JJR said a lot of things.

And as for the ESUS Being powerful? I thought it was a joke, after you guys gave me that flawed rp test, which Was stupid when first proposed, because it’s a way to get people only YOU liked to get in, and say to the newbie’s, screw you.

Sure I was afraid of the ESUS at first, but not any more, you guys are washed up.

"TFU didn't even score a 40% on the first test”
With all due respect I don’t give a flying shit about your score ,I am much better at RPing now than I was then, many can see that BUT YOU how ever fail to, and DO NOT want to admit I’m better at rping.

Mindset genuinely wanted you in. The tests were in place, however, to prevent "I SEND 1040 SHIPS" style crap from taking place. Back then you still had some of the flaws you managed to fix. Nowadays, you're a lot better than you were then, and there's not much doubt that you'd be able to pass were it still around. You were given the same kind of test everyone else got, however, and back then you failed.

What dose it matter, I will still rp with the people I always rp with.

And it Depends on your definition of respect, they are respected because they “write so well” that it bses the god mode out of it, I respect good writing though even though it would do that some times, but still Its nations choice who to ignore and not ignore.

What dose it matter, I will still rp with the people I always rp with.

And it Depends on your definition of respect, they are respected because they “write so well” that it bses the god mode out of it, I respect good writing though even though it would do that some times, but still Its nations choice who to ignore and not ignore.

You'll see man. Ignoring the Accord is not a good idea right now. It has one last job to do.

Again its called FREEFORM no one has to lisen to it.

TFU complaining about godmodding... oh how I love it!

Again its called FREEFORM no one has to lisen to it.

And you can also give yourself 120 Dyson spheres and a six million ship armada under freeform RP, but it's unlikely not to be called out or ignored.

Again its called FREEFORM no one has to lisen to it.

Trust me. Just one rather useful job. You'll like it too.

I could NM, But I wont, the freeform term can be applied to alot of things, many people will accept and many people will not.

And what job would that be? Its own self destruction in a blaze of Glory, procreating an even better TA to take its place while it fades into memory? Or is it to do something that would make all Temporal Tech impossible?

And what job would that be? Its own self destruction in a blaze of Glory, procreating an even better TA to take its place while it fades into memory? Or is it to do something that would make all Temporal Tech impossible?

That's not for you to know. Only we may.

Hey all. I figure, since I was mentioned by name, I might as well make some noise. Or, as the cool kids say, "noyze". So, I'm making "noyze". Am I cool yet?

Anyways, yes, I signed the TA. I'm also an elitist temporal prick who's better than you... at least, according to TFU, but I'm too lazy to argue. Anyways, the Temporal Accord was made, as everyone in this thread somewhat differently, to stop stupid people from doing stupid things. It's essentially an IC pact to stop other nations from mucking around with godmoddish, over-the-top temporal tech. Just because we tell you to stop using and making temporal tech on a stupid level doesn't mean you have to stop. Of course, if you do, it will curry favor with us (and I like curry), and if you don't, then we may attempt to smack you down like a red-headed stepchild in K-mart.

Certainly, it has issues. Certainly, we're a bunch of overzealous warmongers. But the Temporal Accord is a valid IC pact, agreed upon by a multitude of nations. The pressure is from nations, not the players behind them. If you have problems with it, discuss them ICly, not OOCly.

Rob... You're a furry. You exist to be made fun of. Besides. JJR said a lot of things. And my ass still hurts because of it...

That's not for you to know. Only we may.
That’s what I mean, it’s a “If we cant have it No one can” complex

That’s what I mean, it’s a “If we cant have it No one can” complex

No, that's a "I don't trust other nations not to use OOC Knowledge ICly." You'll see in the next week if my information is good.

It's the development of Temporal Tentacles. (Anyone who's been in mass-MSNM convos around me knows that running joke...)

Yes, Temporal Tentacles. They rape you so hard your decendants feel it. Literally.

In response to the arrogance you present :..
Words have never failed me so thoroughly…..

Chances are it's not going to be all that great. When people build stuff up... It falls down all the worse.

Hype is half the fun, my boy.

Hype is what's so annoying when something turns out to be crap.

I don’t think any one cares, we could all just ignore the arrogance in stride.

Chances are it's not going to be all that great. When people build stuff up... It falls down all the worse.

Probably. We expect it to end in IGNORE, which doesn't really upset any of us at all, because the end result is the same.

Hype is what's so annoying when something turns out to be crap.
That’s right; it may not even have any thing to do with us, so why should we care? Unless it’s another thing just to show how all powerful the TA is

Sounds like a suicide note.

Actually, I was joking, as I could really care less. i don't have Temporal Tech. Its impossible to screw with the Time-Space Continuum. I will hold by that Belief all my days.

Hype is what's so annoying when something turns out to be crap.

Like Halo 2?


And, in response to TFU: You made this thread, not us. The TA only ever comes out in any sort of positive force when A: People make threads like this, and B: When we feel we need to give a show of force to a nation using temporal tech dangerously and unreasonably.

Like Halo 2?


And, in response to TFU: You made this thread, not us. The TA only ever comes out in any sort of positive force when A: People make threads like this, and B: When we feel we need to give a show of force a nation using temporal tech dangerously and unreasonably.


Meh. Half-Life 2, Command and Conquer Generals, Star Wars Episode II, every EA game after The Sims.

TFU, check your TG's.

Actually, I was joking, as I could really care less. i don't have Temporal Tech. Its impossible to screw with the Time-Space Continuum. I will hold by that Belief all my days.

Hold to it. I still see your name on the Accord I believe.

JJR not form what I have seen, I use temporal drive and advanced temporal weapons on my ships. But I also use it with other things, and Ses keeps saying every one ignores me for it, and he’s dead wrong.

Why not open some kind of giant time hole, and it accidently releases some immense evil enemy that cannot be killed by conventional weapons (Like Keith Richards.) Then we all have to band together for the common good; and for the good of all, we foreswear using temporal technology until we can know it save. Meanwhile, we shall test the resilience to all temporal drives and equipment, when faced with sledgehammers.

TFU, sorry for bugging your thread as I am not a FT or MPT RPer and I have no experiance with Temporal Technology, but it seems like a time-traveling weapon (which has been stated so I guess I am assuming right).

Now, would you consider that a powerful and technologically high type of weapon/technology field? I sertainly would.

Now, in the real world (which in NS, we strive for realism, which must have the real world as a base) the nations who first developed super-powerful unheard-of weapons limited thier usage to other countries. China attempted to keep gunpowder from the Europeans, the Nuclear Proliferation Act was made by USA and NATO (after Soviet Union nuclear threats declined) to limit the spread of nuclear technology and was set up to allow some countries that are found to use the technology for good (Japan and Germany being key notes) the rights, and attempt to void any research to those who may abuse the power.

This council, Temporal Council, seems to be a good idea. It keeps a limit on those who can have a weapon to travel in time and destroy all but a single nation, their own nation.

This seems like a fair and well-off idea, a council to look over this technology.

And hey, do what North Korea and Iran do, and make it behind their backs? Who says you have to report it? Who says you have to announce it? Iran never did until they were ready. North Korea probably has nuclear power, all under the UN's Nuclear Control's eyes.

Just because there is a controlling force, doesn't mean you have to obey it.

There, I played both sides of the arguement...ignore the council (as in ICly, it still does exist, you just don't listen), but the council is a good idea.

Why not open some kind of giant time hole, and it accidently releases some immense evil enemy that cannot be killed by conventional weapons (Like Keith Richards.) Then we all have to band together for the common good; and for the good of all, we foreswear using temporal technology until we can know it save. Meanwhile, we shall test the resilience to all temporal drives and equipment, when faced with sledgehammers.

Keith Richards? AAAGH!

JJR not form what I have seen, I use temporal drive and advanced temporal weapons on my ships. But I also use it with other things, and Ses keeps saying every one ignores me for it, and he’s dead wrong.

In private conversation he can say what he wants. In private conversation is no representative of the TA or even, neccesarily, his nation.

Or do that last job TSL mentioned. Hehe. I feel very special being someone who was not told and figgured it out.

Back on the point, I just want all nations to know that they have an option of ignoring this silly crap and not listing to pusdo elite nations, I’m actually, we NEED to shed our selves of this.

I agree with whoever said we can develop these technologies in secret.

Check your TG's, TFU.

You can acknowledge the council, and still use Temporal weapons, can't you? You can RP a bit of conflict, you seem to RP as US style nation, which often flouts international conventions, right?

I agree with whoever said we can develop these technologies in secret.

Check your TG's, TFU.


*looks at self proudly*

How else do you think I would make such a weapon? Even if there was a council...

I agree with whoever said we can develop these technologies in secret.

Check your TG's, TFU.

*points at Temporal Observatory* They've got ways.

We'll see how things go. It may be that Temporal Tech simply gets destroyed during this.

Nobody will listen to that beyond die-hard supporters of the first degree. It's just... Really, really stupid. It's like MT somehow destroying all nuclear tech!

TFU, sorry for bugging your thread as I am not a FT or MPT RPer and I have no experiance with Temporal Technology, but it seems like a time-traveling weapon (which has been stated so I guess I am assuming right).

Now, would you consider that a powerful and technologically high type of weapon/technology field? I sertainly would.

Now, in the real world (which in NS, we strive for realism, which must have the real world as a base) the nations who first developed super-powerful unheard-of weapons limited thier usage to other countries. China attempted to keep gunpowder from the Europeans, the Nuclear Proliferation Act was made by USA and NATO (after Soviet Union nuclear threats declined) to limit the spread of nuclear technology and was set up to allow some countries that are found to use the technology for good (Japan and Germany being key notes) the rights, and attempt to void any research to those who may abuse the power.

This council, Temporal Council, seems to be a good idea. It keeps a limit on those who can have a weapon to travel in time and destroy all but a single nation, their own nation.

This seems like a fair and well-off idea, a council to look over this technology.

And hey, do what North Korea and Iran do, and make it behind their backs? Who says you have to report it? Who says you have to announce it? Iran never did until they were ready. North Korea probably has nuclear power, all under the UN's Nuclear Control's eyes.

Just because there is a controlling force, doesn't mean you have to obey it.

There, I played both sides of the arguement...ignore the council (as in ICly, it still does exist, you just don't listen), but the council is a good idea.
QFT. Quoted For Truth.

Now to wait for the "BUT FREEFORM RP" arguements.

I completly agree with Siesatia on this one.

@ TFU: your point about constant invasion is interesting. You see, temporal tech is like the 'nuclear bomb' of FT. The RL US went in to get Iraq for supposed nuclear capability, and appears to be eyeing up Iran too.

You see, countries are willing to invade others on the premise that the others aren't worthy to have whatever uber11 tech they just got, be it gunpowder, tanks, planes, nukes, whatever. NS is not soley about making a pretty story. You're RPing a country, so you have to be responsible in your decisions and consider the risks of every action. I would personally invade any nation that cracks into my sidejumper drive and lay complete waste to them. It is 100% the same as a Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

OOC: If I ever make the jump to FT, I would promptly stamp the IGNORE STAMP on anybody who uses 'Temporal Technology', no exceptions. Why? Because even for FT its godmodding.
No, Godmodding would be using temporal tech to achieve ends like "I erase y0uz, Y0uz d13!!!!" Proper RP etiquette would probably help some. Don't be so quick to insta-ignore, it's not the mark of a good RPer.

i am not Warhaven, the TA does not bind me.

We should not have to bow down icly or oocly to such pusdo interstellar legislation, I CALL for all nations with a sense of dignity and sense of independence to shed them selves of this nuisance, it is our choice to do what ever we want, TFU has extensive temporal technogly hidden away only a fraction of it is on our ships, but we do not flaunt it around saying we will destroy any one who has it, we might have motioned it now, but its only to make a point, the TA shall not be our law, or our oppressor any longer

This is really annoying me, the spelling nazi inside me is begging to be let out...

Pseudo.

You can only prove your freedom from a tyrant - if that is what we represent - on the battlefield. If we deem you worthy of a visit, and you defeat us, you will have liberated yourself. If we defeat you, then you are just as under our metaphorical thumb as ever.

Of course, this whole scenario is assuming we are, in fact, tyrants.

If we aren't, then we have no force over, or at least none that we knowingly exhibit. However, as good leaders, when we see a danger arise, we move to counter it. If we succeed, we are heroes. If we fail and your horde your temporal tech over us, then, funnily enough, you'd be the tyrant.

but its only to make a point, the TA shall not be our law, or our oppressor any longer

You could have made an IC announcement (which would have been asking for trouble). And who ever said it was? Let it think it till you're beyond it, damn, quit your whining at it. You get invaded for developing a super-powerful weapon? Big deal. I would rather you get invaded for developing that to lay waste to every country but my own, simpley because I do not know if you will use it for universal good, than to make it I have to worry about it (although since I am MT it'd be ignored).

i am not Warhaven, the TA does not bind me.

Your name, as a player, is still on it. This is OOC, thus, your name is still on it.

While I don't mind temporal tech, I believe their should be a balance. Questions should be asked, like; How expensive or labor intensive is the stuff. Will all your ships and whatnot be equipped with it? How much power does it drain?

Etc, etc, etc.... There should be a balance, because if their is none, more noobs will abuse yet another facet of the game. I trust Indra Prime with the tech so I have no worries as yet. Hell, he even invited me to post on his thread.

Your name, as a player, is still on it. This is OOC, thus, your name is still on it.
My name as a Player??? what? Explain what you mean so i can either realise your right, or explain how your wrong.

Its just time to get rid of this thing.

hmmm An interesting debate, Perhaps clarification of what constinutes an "level of Active threat" in temperol Technology to justify an invasion by the TA/TC on a target?

What EXACT breakthrough would cause such an action?

My name as a Player??? what? Explain what you mean so i can either realise your right, or explain how your wrong.

You, the player, as Warhaven, put your "name" on the Accord. Since this is OOC, you can't decry something that you visibly support. Saying that you don't believe in Temp et al, when you have your name on the Accord is just foolish.

hmmm An interesting debate, Perhaps clarification of what constinutes an "level of Active threat" in temperol Technology to justify an invasion by the TA/TC on a target?

What EXACT breakthrough would cause such an action?

Any action that makes us think you'll act like an idiot with dangerous technology.

I can rp what I want so can every one else, what I say to the TA and the TA nations trying to make it seem like they are in the right I say, BUD OUT OF OUR NATIONS and BUD OUT OF OUR RPS. (I dont speak for evrey one just me there but if people want to agree thats why i put our there)

That does sound like its coming off on the Godmodish side then; you've compared it to the Nuclear treaty, however the nuclear treaty comes with a specific set of rules that the signitorys have to abide by, it isn't just "We say you can't do this, good bye" although it does seem to be played that way recently.

the TA/TC sounds like a good idea in principle, but then so was comunsim; the implementation needs a little work of the only rule is "do what we say or else".

I completly agree with Siesatia on this one.

@ TFU: your point about constant invasion is interesting. You see, temporal tech is like the 'nuclear bomb' of FT. The RL US went in to get Iraq for supposed nuclear capability, and appears to be eyeing up Iran too.

You see, countries are willing to invade others on the premise that the others aren't worthy to have whatever uber11 tech they just got, be it gunpowder, tanks, planes, nukes, whatever. NS is not soley about making a pretty story. You're RPing a country, so you have to be responsible in your decisions and consider the risks of every action. I would personally invade any nation that cracks into my sidejumper drive and lay complete waste to them. It is 100% the same as a Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.



I think that's an exellent analogy. In theory, I agree with the TA. In practice, why should I trust a large power to have that much control? Perhaps, like Iran or North Korea, I should improve my own Temporal capabilities so I have a defense against their possible attack.

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You people are insane. Temporal Tech is for one thing the wankiest godmoddish dipshit tech in existence, and as such should be ignored by everyone who has more than two living brain cells in their skull. Instead two organizations are setup to regulate something everyone shouldn't recognize. "We want to make sure you don't fuckup the time line." Yeah fucking right, the butterfly effect or whatever nonsense applies to the dimension of time just as it does everything else. That basically means no one can use temp tech of any kind at all without seriously giving the timeline a five-fingered rectal exam.

Seriously people, think before you do this stuff, Jesus.

... *Waits for mods*

Due to this, and my liable standing with a mere post since I never got into the forums that much in all my time on Nationstates, I doubt ill be heard, but I'll add my two cents anyways.

Temporal Technology, in theory is a good practice, yet in the same stroke, it isnt. Researching a supposedly mythological person in your world's history? Boom, good use, but then you must deal with the repercussions of even a slight change to history, for if a single rock was moved... In one place, a person tripped over it, which in turn led him to write a book on physics, which in turn could very possibly have helped to make FTL... Ripple effect.

Temporal Tech is nice, yet ive only seen a few who could play it off correctly when used. As a weapon of war, its hideously effective to an extent its insane, which is why people ignore it. Travel, shields... Maybe, but then still, with their existance lies the possibility of such technology being perverted into items of war.

Honestly, dosent matter your tech, skill level, or ability to manipulate things to your advantage, Temporal Tech period gives anyone, of any time, past, present, or future too much of a munchkinable advantage.

Yet at the same time, its entirely beneficial... its effectively a double edge'd knife, itll be useful in one direction, yet totally damaging in another.

Its one of those give or take scenario's. You got one which is a decent possibility, then the other with Temporal tech which can very well give you infinite possibilities to cope with, the ability to win every fight, get everything you want done far too fast...

So, the Temporal Accords... heh, useful, yet in the same stroke, it gives people somthing to rebel against, which in turn inflames the allready rotting wound that this topic is becoming, With everything, I doubt everyone can find a neutral ground over this.

Personally. I think it depends on how the tech is applied, if your going to start building weapons capable of wiping out an entire nations eixstance from the time line. then you need to be ignored or smacked down.

Thats my opinion.

I also think that Temp tech can be applied in small ways; like Stasis plate armour, Flux weapons/Torps etc. little things that could be used. big frak of "I'm gonna erase your civ from existance" weapons should be killed for sure.

I think, that ultimatly, temporal tech should be used more as a "plot device" than anything else. Their is just to much possibilites for abuse otherwise.

I think, that ultimatly, temporal tech should be used more as a "plot device" than anything else. Their is just to much possibilites for abuse otherwise.


Everything has its ability to be abused to be honest, Anti-matter = great power soruce, also terrible weapons, nuclear fission, same. Wormhole technology, great way to travel; create one in the middle of a planet and watch it tear itself apart. heck we made Graventic Engines, but from the same tech break through we developed Gravity Catapaults and Point Singularity guns; eventually we'll make it to Quantum Singularity drives all from the same tech break through

all tech can be abused, even something as inane as a toaster can be abused.

Its not there right to regulate things or regulate nations if they don’t want to be regulated.

The Balrogga Empire believes Temporal Technology should be regulated. We do not use Temp Tech; we decided to follow another path.

That means it doesn't matter who wins this debate because it will not affect what we do.

It will not change the truth that Temporal Tech needs to be regulated to stop the potential of abuse.


The biggest thing younger nations seem to argue about is the fact there were people here before that can justify having more powerful stuff because they have had it longer.

That argument is perfectly true. They have been here longer and their toys are bigger and shinier than the ones you have. First Come, First Serve.

If someone has been around longer doing the same thing you have been, they will be better than you are. It will be your turn if you (1) spearhead your own tech or (2) when they retire from NS take their place by being second best in it.

If you want to get a step up on those who were before you, then you need to put everything you have into a few specializations and post your research. That is the proof you spent time doing the R&D. Some nations will not pause to ask where and when you did your R&D on something.

If you want to inherit the “crown”, you better place as much emphasis on research and development that the original nation did. It is almost as much work to be second best in a pack of copycats that it is to figure out the original ideas.

As far as creating a definition of when the temporal authorities become involved, use the definition of the level IV benefits. If a nation exceeds these without signing, then a gentle reminder should be used. If they resist, then things should proceed based upon a set protocol and modified by the situation.

Honestly, there is no reason this much blabbering should be done over something as simple.

Personally. I think it depends on how the tech is applied, if your going to start building weapons capable of wiping out an entire nations eixstance from the time line. then you need to be ignored or smacked down.

Thats my opinion.

I also think that Temp tech can be applied in small ways; like Stasis plate armour, Flux weapons/Torps etc. little things that could be used. big frak of "I'm gonna erase your civ from existance" weapons should be killed for sure.


Well, I have to admit myself, it is indeed good in fields like say armor... Weaponry id desist on because well, too easy to go overboard.

Another idea to add to yours, Statis fields.

But yes, weapons on any level that makes that level of temporal physics insistent on its working, banned just for reasons of common sense.

And Balrogga, your wrong in assuming that being around the longest makes you the best, Dosent matter how long youve been around, you could of been playing with temporal mechanics for fifteen years yet still be ignorant of common sense with said technological ability.

"The biggest thing younger nations seem to argue about is the fact there were people here before that can justify having more powerful stuff because they have had it longer.

That argument is perfectly true. They have been here longer and their toys are bigger and shinier than the ones you have. First Come, First Serve."

Ignorance is bliss as well I assume?

First come first serve isnt always the case, it never WILL be the mandated truth in anything, you have the common sense, technical know how, and ability to run a actual storyline, one would be quite capable of exceeding the ability's of an older person who has been around longer. After all, age dosent always mean experience, knowledge, and numerous other things, the only thing it gives is more time to either apply what they have done practically, and longer to fix their mistakes, which dont always happen.

Somone mind sending me a Telegram of some sort of these Temporal Accords...? Id rather have acess to seeing them so I can get an idea of where the origional writer of them is coming from.

"If you want to get a step up on those who were before you, then you need to put everything you have into a few specializations and post your research. That is the proof you spent time doing the R&D. Some nations will not pause to ask where and when you did your R&D on something.

If you want to inherit the “crown”, you better place as much emphasis on research and development that the original nation did. It is almost as much work to be second best in a pack of copycats that it is to figure out the original ideas.

As far as creating a definition of when the temporal authorities become involved, use the definition of the level IV benefits. If a nation exceeds these without signing, then a gentle reminder should be used. If they resist, then things should proceed based upon a set protocol and modified by the situation."

Yet, ill admit you do a wonderful job at covering your own backside with the remainder of what you said with that. Yet at the same time, until I know more about how all this is going on, I'll have to keep this present stance on this, only when I have more facts of whats going on, will I be convinced otherwise.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=346985

There is the document in question.



I am not going to join the TA for the time being, that goes to all here. (especially to those trying to recruit me) Thus far, I cannot ICly join, and would like to see how it works after reinstatement before 'hopping on the bandwagon.' IMO, there is still a lot of proving left to do after some of the issues way back. However, with some work it could become a very feasable document. (If you believe in temporal technology)

And Balrogga, your wrong in assuming that being around the longest makes you the best, Dosent matter how long youve been around, you could of been playing with temporal mechanics for fifteen years yet still be ignorant of common sense with said technological ability.

*waves* that's pretty much my case with it. I can throw a 10cm shell a football field away and 3 seconds back... and even then the gate blows out about half its main componets. I've been 'researching' since Summer 05.

(http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423526 if you're interested in documentation for it. Ahh... the old days of RPing as a tiny nation... I'm going to have to make a puppet now and RP the beginning again, that was too fun. NE may dissapear now that I look back at all the wasted potential.)


I find it surprising that people are this upset about a non-proliferation treaty. If I wrote a large treaty for MT about anti-nuclear proliferation, and had in it provisions for monitoring nuclear activity and punishing those who abused it, there would probably be nowhere near as much outcry. It would be ICly hated as it would probably be against the ideas of most of the nations out there, but it would be recognized as valid in existance.

Ignore the TA if you want, heck it wouldn't be the first time, and there may be incidents in the past that I don't know about that causes it to deserve ignoring. The issue about Chronotonium (?) being necessary for higher level temp-tech comes to mind... However, at least calm down and take a look at the facts behind it. It's mostly just the FT equivilant of the "No nukes for 1 day old nations, no inanely large strategic stockpiles" thing.

Besides, worst comes to worst, why not just make an anti-accord? That would make for a good RP.

But in doing that you'd have to ignore all of his backers. QUITE a few large, and well respected nations are counted among them.

Like who?

You?

Though I more or less ignore time travel in RPs (too much of a big can of worms), as well as any form of temporal shielding or weapon other than generic "strong shield" and "strong weapon", I agree with TFU about the Temporal Accord.

Besides. JJR said a lot of things.

Indeed. Still does, too. And they still cause me much amusement. Too bad the ESUS forums crashed and we lost all the evidence...

Why not open some kind of giant time hole, and it accidently releases some immense evil enemy that cannot be killed by conventional weapons (Like Keith Richards.) Then we all have to band together for the common good; and for the good of all, we foreswear using temporal technology until we can know it save. Meanwhile, we shall test the resilience to all temporal drives and equipment, when faced with sledgehammers.

Hold that thought. Ald Rhun has had TempTech for some time, and it's gotten fairly advanced. And what with Heinrich breaking away, things may just get interesting...


You, the player, as Warhaven, put your "name" on the Accord. Since this is OOC, you can't decry something that you visibly support. Saying that you don't believe in Temp et al, when you have your name on the Accord is just foolish.

Why not? Considering my government is composed of two rather polarized factions, I do it all the time.

Its not there right to regulate things or regulate nations if they don’t want to be regulated.

Of course we do. We're bigger, more powerful, and thus have the right to do anything we think we can get away with ICly, until such a point as someone ICly stops us. We're perfectly in our rights to do whatever the hell we want IC. OOC, you're free to do whatever you want, but ICly, we can bitch slap you into next week if we don't like what you're doing.

I pretty much ignore temporal tech... and super weapon tech.

ACTUALLY SQ, you're not barred from making it, you're just barred from making a certain level ICly if you don't sign the accord. It's not that you can't develop it, it's that the Indrans don't trust you with it ICly, and they want to keep an eye on you. Develop all you want, just don't be surprised if you recieve a copy of the Accord, backed by the TIF.

1.) The only temporal tech I'm currently deciding when to start developing is a canon Stargate Ancient tech. That's it. I have no current desire to have any other temporal tech. But I do intend to use what I do develop.

2.) This whole incursion thing, IMHO, should only be used if it was agreed on by all sides and was the basis of the RP in question's story line.

3.) Still, telling me what level of tech I can and can't develop is godmodding.

4.) If this wank TIF shows up in one of my threads, I would say, "Sorry, you weren't invited. Please leave before I have to ask for mod intervention."

I use Temporal technology, and am planning on using it in my next generation of cityships for shielding and camoflage purposes, and if some elitist council wants to stop me... They can go shove it up their backsides. It's just unfair for a few people who get there first to think that gives them any mandate to stop other people. Not to mention just plain wrong. It's the same as nukes.

Interestingly, the whole time I used Ankhmet with temporal stuff, I never got picked up by the accord :P

Hell, I would join them if they tried.

You, TGB, are a tech-wanker, plain and simple. No denying the facts.

NO one on ns has to listen to inrida, Its called FREE FORM.

People could just look at him laugh and ignore him for trying to invade for no reason other to gratify him self that he’s the master of all temporal technology

You make a valid point, TFU. One I happen to agree with. But I do see the validity of keeping temporal tech out of some nation's hands. Don't you agree?

i am not Warhaven, the TA does not bind me.

Technically correct.

We should not have to bow down icly or oocly to such pusdo interstellar legislation, I CALL for all nations with a sense of dignity and sense of independence to shed them selves of this nuisance, it is our choice to do what ever we want, TFU has extensive temporal technogly hidden away only a fraction of it is on our ships, but we do not flaunt it around saying we will destroy any one who has it, we might have motioned it now, but its only to make a point, the TA shall not be our law, or our oppressor any longer

Then why not start an anti-TA alliance?

Your name, as a player, is still on it. This is OOC, thus, your name is still on it.

Incorrect. Ri-an and Warhaven were and are seperate and different nations. What applies to one doesn't apply to the other.

I think, that ultimatly, temporal tech should be used more as a "plot device" than anything else. Their is just to much possibilites for abuse otherwise.

I agree. Temporal Incursion tech should be used as only a plot device.

Personally. I think it depends on how the tech is applied, if your going to start building weapons capable of wiping out an entire nations eixstance from the time line. then you need to be ignored or smacked down.

Thats my opinion.

I also think that Temp tech can be applied in small ways; like Stasis plate armour, Flux weapons/Torps etc. little things that could be used. big frak of "I'm gonna erase your civ from existance" weapons should be killed for sure.

I agree quite fully.

And what do you base these "levels on" a bunch of fancy wording, or time or what?

No offense to you bal, but I don’t think you get the point we are trying to resist, its how the document is used.

Yes, that’s true a nation like me or sea quest would not abuse it but some nations might, still the fact is the document in question was used for wrong reasons, I don’t know how they base there levels on but I assume I am on equal footing (I keep most of my temp tech research quiet and hidden away in a secret lab called black nova, the FT black mesa.)

I believe the 'levels' were originally based on months spent developing tech/2. That was something I thought objectionable about the original TA. I'm not against classification, but blanket restricting is excessive.

Well... I'm okay with restricting in the "we'll attack you if you do this and we find out ICly, because that is what the TA is for, and you have been warned." way, just not the "OOC: I will pwn you and ign0r3 c4nn0n you if you do this without being in t3h TA!" way.

You, the player, as Warhaven, put your "name" on the Accord. Since this is OOC, you can't decry something that you visibly support. Saying that you don't believe in Temp et al, when you have your name on the Accord is just foolish.

I am no longer Warhaven, that was another time, when i did not know things I know now. Time has passed, things have changed, opinions, only one of them. It is my right as a free willed human being to change my opinions, but it is not mine to have the name Warhaven removed from the accord. That, must stand as testomony, to another time of my life, as a lesson, not for others, but for myself, of the mistakes I have made, and the things i have learned. You may think me foolish, but that is alright, my thoughts need not intrude upon you. Simply skip them by. I am not the Player, as Warhaven. I am better, I am the player, as Ri-an. If you cannot see the changes, then pretend I don't exist, and you need never bother with me, save for those rare times we may encounter each other in a third party's thread.

Reading over the document, that sounds a LOT more reasonable than "Do what we say or we smack you down" and where I agree there should be limits, where are those limits? thats still not cleared in the document

what are these "Levels" specifically.

I want to know why I'm a tech-wanker.

On-topic, there's no way anyone's going to agree on this for any length of time.

I want to know why I'm a tech-wanker.

On-topic, there's no way anyone's going to agree on this for any length of time.

Remember the Seth?


As for the topic, it seems that very few people are actually looking at this thing from both sides of the fence as I am.

Seth was valid. Seth was one of two ships in the 'fleet' of a large power.

Seth was valid. Seth was one of two ships in the 'fleet' of a large power.

Dude, don't get me started. You're already on thin ice with me, don't make things worse.

It's BS like this which is exactly why many people I know who play Nationstates, assuming they RP, RP on private boards.

Don't know about the rest of you, but if someone comes barging into a thread that you're enjoying with another player and tries GODMODING (which is exactly what this sounds like), you're being ignored and the thread going as it should be.

It's up to a thread's participants to agree what is and isn't allowed. If they godmode, you know what? The objecting party can either call them on it, or forget the thread and move on. There is no reason a third party needs to butt in where they don't belong.

Anybody who trys to time travel is ignored because its not possible. Just so you all know where I stand on it...

Dude, don't get me started. You're already on thin ice with me, don't make things worse.

Yeah, because your ships which can operate in every known (and some unknown) environment are perfectly possible...

On-topic, people have good reason to ignore T.T., but a lot of FT is impossible anyway.

Yeah, because your ships which can operate in every known (and some unknown) environment are perfectly possible...

On-topic, people have good reason to ignore T.T., but a lot of FT is impossible anyway.

Stay on topic, dude.

As for my ships, just because they can go there doesn't mean they will. It all depends on the RP in question. Size is also a consideration, as is tech.

It's BS like this which is exactly why many people I know who play Nationstates, assuming they RP, RP on private boards.

Don't know about the rest of you, but if someone comes barging into a thread that you're enjoying with another player and tries GODMODING (which is exactly what this sounds like), you're being ignored and the thread going as it should be.

It's up to a thread's participants to agree what is and isn't allowed. If they godmode, you know what? The objecting party can either call them on it, or forget the thread and move on. There is no reason a third party needs to butt in where they don't belong.

I have to fully agree with you on that. There is a reason thread hijacking is against the rules.

Anybody who trys to time travel is ignored because its not possible. Just so you all know where I stand on it...

I would agree, unless all parties involved agree to it as part of the RP in questions story plot.

Of course, their are many other applications of Temporal Tech besides Temporal Incursion technology.

The entire concept of the TA was to keep the following from occurring:

"I launch Missiles at you!"

"Oh yeah? Well I just went back in time and erased you from existence, oh, and you suck!"Forgive me for my insolence, but can't the problem be solved by the temporal-bukkake'd parcicipant in $Thread offering a one-fingered salute and telling the temporal bukkakeing participant to 'Piss off'?

Interaction does, after all, require consent, which more-or-less automatically ensures that one plays either a) fair or b) with oneself and no-one else.

No need to form schoolyard-bully allegiances.

Indra and many others felt that, without supervision, this problem could spiral out of control quickly, and the TA began enforcing its articles. They also wanted a similar *rule* as to the 'No nuclear weapons on your first month' rule, which was to be, 'No Temporal Weapons until your third or fourth month' but this never completely took off as Indra had to take a vacation for unexplained reasons.The stupid and frequently laughed at 'No Nukes' 'rule', that was/ is essentially a concept used by $Older_Nation who wants to play imperialist 'The Wogheads who found NS after me can must kiss my ass!' idiocy without having to deal with deterrence (Dear god, dealing with deterrence?! Doesn't this require diplomacy? Can't have that in NS Risk!) you mean?

Way to associate.

Members continued to enforce the TA until recently.

Yes, hilariously so (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=436360), esp. post 115, 197, 200, 203, 204, 205, 206, 208 and 209 - I found it considerably amusing, watching the TA (Including you) being incapable of dealing with a nation/ player as soon as the same manages to do more than pull Stardestroyers out of his/ her ass - namely, engaging in diplomacy (On a very low scale, given the opposing side's ineptness on the field, but still).

Indra then left once again, and due to his occupation, cannot disclose why.<Enter copious amounts of laughter here>

Now, its simple, you sign the accord and agree to use the technology responsibly, and you can develop as much as you want (Within Reason), you don't, and you get come after, its no different then the Non-Proliferation acts the US and other nations in RL perform to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of smaller nations.Yes, and in consent-based NS, you fail for the reasons mentioned above, with the only effect being that you look like a dick who needs to wave the same in everybody's face.

But hey, if that's the image you desire, nothing wrong with it :)

I find it surprising that people are this upset about a non-proliferation treaty. If I wrote a large treaty for MT about anti-nuclear proliferation, and had in it provisions for monitoring nuclear activity and punishing those who abused it, there would probably be nowhere near as much outcry.Of course not. You'd be laughed at for trying something so impossible and, frankly, stupid, though :) Yeah, try regulating a few hundred - counting actively RPing ones - nations. Try justifying it, considering the amount of genocide/ imperialism about, which requires small nations to field deterrence.

So much for the likely IC responses. Now for the ooc part.

To put it simple: Butting in into assorted threads and waving one's dick around makes one worth being ignored and told to piss off, regardless of it being 'Temporal Technology' (As in, say, being able to stack legos on top of each other, and using the mass to screw with time on an infinitesimal scale, and/ or - rather more impressive - being able to generate negative entrophy) or nuclear technology.

If one considers gangbanging newbies one's primary interest in NS, and the height of one's RP abilities, then one should frankly consider leaving NS.

Its just time to get rid of this thing.

Quite. Enough of this; people will regulate themselves by whatever rules they choose to, and if someone wants to claim a ten mile long battleship with TIME LASERS was a free gift in their bowl of cereal, all power to them trying to get people to RP with them. They're free to do what they like as long as they're not trolling or wanking all over other people's threads, generally.