NationStates Jolt Archive

The basic premise is that in the near future America is falling apart. Because of the economic problems faith in the Democratic and Republican parties is gone. This combined with the turmoil gives third parties a chance to become powerful.

So, you can pick from any real party or make up a new one. You can also choose to be in total control of any nation besides the United States. If you do so you can also choose what political party/parties you want to rule your nation. If you choose to be Fascist, Communist, or any other party that carries a stigma in America, I would advise not using your political affiliation in your parties name.

Finally, I will be using a point system to determine each party's advantages at the beginning of the rp. Each of you will start with a certain number of points which you then will be able to allocate to certain areas. I have not figured out the exact system yet, but here are some of the areas you will be able to have support in:

Lower Class Support
Working Class Support
White-Collar/Academic Support
Upper Class/Big Business Support
Military Support
Executive Branch Support
Judicial Branch Support
Congressional Support

If anyone has any suggestions for more areas to include, I am more than willing to hear them. And if anyone wants to be a mod just let me know.


Ok, I've figured out the system. Everyone gets 100 points. For each point you allocate to an area you get one percent of that area's support. So, if I put one point in working class that would mean my party is supported by one percent of the working class. If I put one point in congress I would get one percent of the congressional seats. The Judicial branch might be tricky because you would need 11 points to get a single SC Justice, but we can just pretend you have state judges in that case. No one can put more than thirty points in each area though, or it would lead to unrealistic things like "I have one hundred percent of congressional seats but no support from any of the people, wtf?"

Also, what would everyone think if we eliminated the House of Reps and just had the senate? It would make the passing of laws easier, and therefore, the game go faster.

Of course throughout the rp you can get more popular support through good political moves and then get more seats in Congress etc


Claims:

Elite Battle Hordes: Fascist Party (Known as the "Patriot Party")
Lower Class Support: 0
Working Class Support: 30
White-Collar/Academic Support: 10
Upper Class/Big Business Support: 10
Military Support: 19
Executive Branch Support: 0
Judicial Branch Support: 11
Congressional Support: 20

Franberry: Communist Party (Known as "The Peoples' Democratic Party of the United States of America")
Lower Class Support 22
Working Class Support 20
White-Collar/Academic Support 5
Upper Class/Big Business Support 1
Military Support 1
Executive Branch Support 1
Judicial Branch Support 0
Congressional Support 0

Brydog: Liberal Democratic Party of America

Bloodbank: Christian Democratic Party (Known as the "National Action Party")
Lower Class Support 0
Working Class Support 5
White-Collar/Academic Support 5
Upper Class/Big Business Support 20
Military Support 30
Executive Branch Support 10
Judicial Branch Support 30
Congressional Support 0

Pythogria: Libertarian Communist Party (known as the "Iron Pheonix Party")
Lower Class Support: 30
Working Class Support: 30
White Collar/Academic Class Support: 20
Upper Class/ Big Buisness Support: 0
Military Support: 0
Executive Branch Support: 0
Judical Branch Support: 20
Congressional Support: 0

Cantelmium: Licentia (Conservative Military Power)
Lower Class Support: 3
Working Class Support: 8
White-Collar/Academic Support: 10
Upper Class/Big Business Support: 15
Military Support: 33
Executive Branch Support: 10
Judicial Branch Support: 11
Congressional Support: 10

Red Tide2: Russia

Otagia: Japan

The Aeson: Canada

H-Town Tejas: Argentina (Socialist)

Bronidium: Cymru (Left-Wing)

Could I be the Communsit Party? If so, I will go under the name of "The Peoples' Democratic Party of the United States of America"

Could I play as Argentina? (Recent revolution, has become socialist)

Could I play as Argentina? (Recent revolution, has become socialist)
I think this is just within the USA

And was that a revolution or a coup? (We're really good at coups, its most probable that it was that)

So, you can pick from any real party or make up a new one. You can also choose to be in total control of any nation besides the United States. If you do so you can also choose what political party/parties you want to rule your nation. If you choose to be Fascist, Communist, or any other party that carries a stigma in America, I would advise not using your political affiliation in your parties name.

Oh, really?

Oh, really?
Pardon me being blind then

It's okay, bro. Just pointing that out.

And it was most definitely a revolution.

I will be the Liberal Democratic Party of America.

I'll take Japan, if you don't mind. Well, Otagia will. I'm too lazy to log out of Khurgan...

You have all been added.

Brydog, can you give me some idea of the political viewpoint(s) of your party?

Khurgan, is your Japan, politically speaking, the same Japan as the current RL one? If not, what is its political situation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democracy

It's liberal democratic, the above link has info.

I'll take the Dominion of Canada, which has a very conservative group in power at the moment and has been going on a superweapons kick.

before any one takes it i lay claim to my home of Canada

Too late. I took Canada already. :p

I'll be part of the Christian Democratic Party called National Action Party

Ok, I've figured out the system. Everyone gets 100 points. For each point you allocate to an area you get one percent of that area's support. So, if I put one point in working class that would mean my party is supported by one percent of the working class. If I put one point in congress I would get one percent of the congressional seats. The Judicial branch might be tricky because you would need 11 points to get a single SC Justice, but we can just pretend you have state judges in that case. No one can put more than thirty points in each area though, or it would lead to unrealistic things like "I have one hundred percent of congressional seats but no support from any of the people, wtf?"

Also, what would everyone think if we eliminated the House of Reps and just had the senate? It would make the passing of laws easier, and therefore, the game go faster.

Of course throughout the rp you can get more popular support through good political moves and then get more seats in Congress etc.

I'll put this information in my first post also.

Khurgan, is your Japan, politically speaking, the same Japan as the current RL one? If not, what is its political situation?
Quite similar, although with the destabilization of the US, the Japanese are now feeling that it's safe to expand, using the Self Defense Force to expand their own borders (probably going to go after a bit of Russia, maybe Korea). Considering reinstating the Imperial Family (mostly as a figure head, of course), but I'll wait on that bit.

And one question: How "near future" is this? 2010? 2025?

A good question. 2020 sounds about right. Japan might want to be careful though, Russia has probably recovered (mostly) from the post Soviet depression by now. China is also a big problem if you don't have good relations with them.

No one else wants to join? No one who is already here wants to post? If you have already joined though, could you decide where you are going to put your points and then post that. (If anyone doesn't like the system or thinks they know how to make it better then just let me know and I'll consider any suggestions.)

Lower Class Support 0
Working Class Support 5
White-Collar/Academic Support 5
Upper Class/Big Business Support 20
Military Support 30
Executive Branch Support 10
Judicial Branch Support 30
Congressional Support 0

"The Peoples' Democratic Party of the United States of America"


Lower Class Support 22
Working Class Support 20
White-Collar/Academic Support 5
Upper Class/Big Business Support 1
Military Support 1
Executive Branch Support 1
Judicial Branch Support 0
Congressional Support 0

Fran, you are not supposed to have over 20 in one area, but I will let you do it due to the fact that the lower class sucks. I mean they are basically the working class minus the ability to financially support your party.

what type of benefits does each one give us by the way?

The benefits are not set in stone. They are whatever we can imagine the real world benefits to be. For instance; the lower class would give a certain number of votes, the working class would give a slightly larger number of votes and a certain amount of money, the white-collar/academics would give less votes and about equal money with the working class (there are less of them but they are able to spend more money), and the upper class/big business would give very few votes but a considerable amount of money. This does not limit any of them to solely these roles though. Anything any of these classes has done in history is something they can do for you.

There is also military support which gives you an oppertunity to throw a coup if you get enough support. Executive support gives you a certain number of people in the white house (cabinet members, aids, etc.) Judicial support gives you the ability to get important party members out of trouble/lesser sentence, or strike down laws that you don't like. Congressional support, giving you a certain number of senators (seeing as how I decided to eliminate the house to make things simpler) will give you the ability to pass laws.

I have an update. Since fewer people have joined (so far, anyway) than I had hoped, power is going to be split between fewer parties. So, because of this each party should be more powerful. Now everyone gets 100 points to distribute and can have maximum in any area of 30 points.

Perhaps I will join...

Iron Pheonix Party:

Lower Class Support: 30

Working Class Support: 30

White Collar/Academic Class Support: 20

Upper Class/ Big Buisness Support: 0

Judical Branch Support: 20

Congressional Support: 0

(This party stands for Libertarian Communism.)

You are accepted. We will start as soon as everyone has posted where they are putting their points.

i redid mine just to let you know

Come on people, if you don't redo (assuming you did it in the first place) your party's strengths then we won't be able to start.

A good question. 2020 sounds about right. Japan might want to be careful though, Russia has probably recovered (mostly) from the post Soviet depression by now. China is also a big problem if you don't have good relations with them.
Eh, we beat the Russian fleet twice already, we can do it again. ;) Probably will go after a few easier targets in Oceania first, maybe try annexing California later.

Oh, and as I'm not in the US and only have one political party, I assume I don't have to fill out the points thingy?

Hey, I'd like to hop into this if it's still up/open.

Licentia (Conservative Military Power)

Lower Class Support: 3
Working Class Support: 8
White-Collar/Academic Support: 10
Upper Class/Big Business Support: 15
Military Support: 33
Executive Branch Support: 10
Judicial Branch Support: 11
Congressional Support: 10

More Info to Come:

Headed by a well known USMC General who has taken an increasing interest in involving himself in politics. When strife occurs it is often the military who take an interest in securing the peace and the armed forces are now focusing on restoring stability and ensuring a stable, lawful readjustment into the political world.

EDIT: I thought the opening page said no one could have more than 33% of an area of politics but it turns out it says 30%. I currently have 33% in my military support, if this is a BIG issue, I'll adjust those three points. My though process was akin to ancient Rome (three big generals dictated the force of the army; the triumvirate, theoretically spliting it into thirds). Again, if this is a big deal, I'll change it.

I MUST HAVE THE MOTHERLAND!

Err... I mean, I will take Russia, whose economy has been revitilized(in no small part thanks to the oil prices soaring), President Putin was thrown out of power by a coup-de-tat that led to the establishment of a dictatorship in Russia. This madmans seeking to increase Russia's oil dominance.

First to fall will be Azerbaijan :evil grin:

PS: My school server wont let me log in onto my profile here. I am currently at home. Please be patient with me!

Bump

Red Tide2, Cantelmium, you have been added. Otagia, you are correct, you don't have to do the point thing.

Awesome, this looks like it'll be a good one.

Looking good so far. Anybody got MSNIM so as to discuss the upcoming RP? Mine is blaestwin@hotmail.com if you're interested.

I would like to be the newly independent republic of Cymru (wales to you) with a left wing party in power but with more conservative nationalist elements around as well (like 60% left 35% nationalist 5% others). I'm going to be going on very much a high tech/bio tech (as this is the way we are going) and of course exporting power and water to the English (but for money (lots of money) this time)

Bronidium, you are accepted.

yay

And Wales shall rise again.... well more like just rise but you get the jist

Although not everyone has updated their point allocation I am going to start the IC thread so this does not fall apart. Here it is: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10895811#post10895811

Everyone still playing?

Hello, am i allowed to take control of a reborn Confederacy and attempt to secede from the Union?

Although most of the population already belongs to one of our parties so you wouldn't have anyone to secede with. I suppose though that I could give you one state and then say that their population is not counted as part of the percentage in each area due to your having seceded. Ok, pick a state. Texas seems a realistic (and because of its population, good) choice.

OK Texas, then maybe in the insueing confusion i can grab the rest of the confederacy

If no one wants to play anymore I am going to declare this dead.