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OOC: To all nations:

I just got out of a war and now have time to do something I've been planning literally since I got into NS. Namely, the Succession Wars.

I am trying to make this the best damn thread ever. It will be semi-open, but people will need my permission to start posting IC. Others I have invited; you know who you are. The story is this. My tyrannical ruler, Sacred Emperor Lucifer, is mostly very popular, but there is a small minority that hates him bitterly. Terrorist activity is increasing massively, and order is beginning to fall apart throughout the Empire. He will appoint five High Lords to succeed him (whoever dominates or killls the others gets the throne), and the armed forces, the government, and all institutions in the Empire will split multiple ways, some loyal to the Sacred Emperor, some not. I want people to back certain High Lords or sides, and they can choose who. So if you are interested, say so; if you need more info, ask me; and please, by the way, this will probably be time-consuming, so if you are really busy, think twice about it before joining.

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THIS IS LONG, I KNOW. READ IT ALL PLEASE.

Good to see some interest. You're all accepted.

As the outside countries (namely all you) go, you're not taking sides against each other directly unless you choose to. I have nothing against it, per se, I just don't want this to devolve into a bunch of one-on-one wars, cause that is bad for the story, which is of course what RPing is about.

There are several factions. There are Loyalists, loyal to Sacred Emperor Lucifer and the establishment, there are Anarchists, led by High Lord Asmodeus and the crime syndicate known as the International, and there are three "Unaligned" High Lords.

Dramatis Personae: (important people)
Imperator Jakran of clan Vuell
High Lord Avaru of Domain Miradin
High Lord Asmodeus of clan Vasraad
High Lord Ishamael of Domain Sadow
High Lord Jahvan of clan Imilzor
High Lord Rahvin of clan Ares
Crown Prince Antiochus of Domain Halcyon, Heir of the Sacred Emperor
Supreme General Seth of Domain Jamaane, Lord Regent of the Imperium
Dr. Jacob Seuss and Sir Topham Hatt
Sacred Emperor Lucifer of Domain Halcyon

Background:
Sacred Emperor Lucifer has ruled well and strongly, but controversially. There has always been a small minority that has opposed any Sacred Emperor, and Lucifer has added to the numbers of his enemies by his stern rule. His enemies are beginning to multiply and reveal themselves. A wave of terrorism is sweeping the nation, and in general chaos reigns. Outside powers are becoming interested in the situation, and intrigues develop within the Palace. According to tradition, five of the social elite are chosen as possible successors to the throne, along with the default successor, Crown Prince Antiochus of Domain Halcyon, Lucifer’s son. It will take great skill for him to survive; all five lords need him dead to have a chance of succeeding, but he does have an advantage in the form of the Sacred Emperor’s protection: Lucifer’s wrath will fall on any who remove his son. The Empire is ready to split and divide into factions, the Legions themselves utterly divided over who of the lords will gain the throne. It is increasingly likely that the Legions, the people, and the nobility will turn on each other, tearing the Imperium apart in a civil war the likes of which have never yet been seen. Furthermore, the High Lords, knowing they cannot remove the Crown Prince with Lucifer still in power, must either dishonor him in the eyes of his father, or force the Sacred Emperor himself off his throne. The possibility is growing daily that the High Lords will secede from the Imperium and go to war with each other and the Imperium, backed by various international powers. The stage is set for the Succession Wars.

List of Terms:

Imperium: The government that rules over the Empire and has for 1700 years.
Empire: The people and land that is subject to the Imperium.
Immortals: Elite warriors, whose duties include the guardianship of Korronis, the Imperial Palace, and the Sacred Emperor, as well as crack troops on the battlefield. Another group of elites is the War-Priests, priests/warriors who embrace four lesser gods of war, and are organized by Order and Chapter. They are just as effective as the Immortals, but more specialized.
Inquisition: The body that is the offspring of the priesthood and the Intelligence Division, which helps spy on the people and especially prominent figures. They punish such crimes as heresy and idolatry with torture, and either execution or sacrifice to the gods. Inquisitors are influential people, with broad powers.
The International: A worldwide crime syndicate that has been allied with the Imperium in some matters and its opponent in others since the 1920's.
High Lord: One of the most powerful positions in the Imperium, awarded to the most skilled of the social elite. There are five to begin with, and they are the only people except the Sacred Emperor’s son that can succeed him, barring unheard-of extenuating circumstances. However, by law the Crown Prince has priority of succession, so it is rare that he manages to avoid death at the hands of the High Lords.
Imperial Pantheon: I’m going to be referring to gods throughout the threads, and just so you know what I’m talking about, here it is. There are seven gods, each fulfilling a role in the universe: the Destroyer, the Deceiver, the Torturer, the Dragon, the Creator, the Preserver, and the Modeler. All demand sacrifice in some form; some just food or small things like that, but the Deceiver and the Modeler demand blood sacrifice, and the Torturer, Destroyer, and Dragon require human blood. Each is the patron of a caste or branch of the Imperium, as follows:
Creator: Sacred Emperor
Destroyer: warriors
Deceiver: priests
Preserver: politicians
Modeler: scientists
Torturer: Inquisitors
Dragon: War-Priests and Immortals

Bios:
Jakran Vuell: A traditional, conservative general and Imperator to Sacred Emperor Lucifer. He is a very good strategist, but compared with the leadership skills and tactics of some of the elite, he is inferior, and this gnaws at him. He is a slave to personal pleasure; delights in the excess of alcohol, drugs, and women. This is a great weakness, and may well be his downfall.

Avaru Miradin: High Lord Avaru is from Domain Miradin, a close ally of Domain Halcyon. He has grown up around the royal family and Lucifer is like a doting uncle to him. However, he would have no trouble killing Crown Prince Antiochus; he is widely regarded to be emotionless. Logic governs him at all times; he lacks even the joy/rage contrast of Lucifer, and is rumored to be an atheist. Despite this, his honor is even more important to him than most Imperial elite. An insult to him is deadly.

Asmodeus Vasraad: This successor is from clan Vasraad, a little-known clan famous for its high percentage of Inquisitors it has produced. Asmodeus also was an Inquisitor. He is excessively cruel and ruthless...hated by all other possible successors, and by many politicians, but his hatred of outsiders won him support among the priests, and he has a devoted bodyguard of Shavan War-Priests. His envy of Lucifer and of Crown Prince Antiochus will lead to his downfall if not checked...

Ishamael Sadow: Ishamael is one of the most likely to succeed of the High Lords. He is also a traditionalist, and a brilliant orator and politician. He won his post as a High Lord through his skills in manipulation and deception, and his military skills are unquestionable as well. He is as careful of his honor as High Lord Avaru. Push him and he will push back by annihilating all you care for.

Jahvan Imilzor: Jahvan, before his ascension to the position of High Lord, was a Grand Admiral of the Imperial Fleet. This is his advantage over the other successors: he will be the only one of them to command a significant portion of the fleet. It is estimated that anywhere from twenty to forty percent of the fleet will mutiny if war breaks out, and answer to Jahvan. However, on land his forces are far inferior to those of Ishamael or Avaru, as are his skills. Unfortunately for him, he will be forced to fight on land, where the key battles will be decided; this will put him at a disadvantage.

Rahvin Ares: High Lord Rahvin is the Imperium’s ideal lord-general; he is fanatically loyal, defends his honor zealously, sacrifices richly to all the gods, and is a vicious and cunning general. His expertise in naval matters is small; he cares only for land war, and especially urban warfare. His doctrines in taking cities are now standard fare among the general staff of the Legions. There is no question he will remain loyal to Sacred Emperor Lucifer, and that he will command the still-vast forces available to the Imperium if the High Lords go to war.

Crown Prince Antiochus Halcyon: Crown Prince Antiochus is, at the same time, among the most powerful and the most vulnerable person in the Empire. As Lucifer’s heir, he has tremendous political influence; his father alone commands him, and there are few he trusts to advise him. High Lord Rahvin is one such, but the other High Lords he is rightly distrustful of. He hates Asmodeus especially, and the feeling is more than mutual. However, he should never let his guard down to any, not even Rahvin, because by law he must die before the High Lords can succeed him.

Supreme General Seth Jamaane: Seth is Lord Regent of the Imperium, Lucifer’s closest friend. He trusts only Rahvin of the High Lords; unlike Antiochus, he doesn’t need to fear assassination by a friend. Ishamael hates Seth for condemning his father to death by handing him over to the Inquisition when the man developed heretical tendencies, and Asmodeus hates Seth simply because Seth hates him. Seth is one of the few remaining moderating influences on Lucifer; if he dies, the war will begin if it hasn’t yet, and escalate greatly if it has, as Lucifer embarks on a brutal campaign of bloody revenge.

Dr. Jacob Seuss and Sir Topham Hatt: These two are the most feared assassin duo in history. Both have played major roles in Imperial foreign policy, when it was best to kill one or a few rather than exterminate a nation. Dr. Seuss has been recalled from exile in Camel Eaters to serve Lucifer in the upcoming conflict, and Topham Hatt, who is called (never to his face) the Fat Director, after his role in ordering assassinations through the Intelligence Division, has joined him once more. Seuss is an alcoholic, but retains some of the discipline of an Inquisitor, which he was before his exile. Sir Topham Hatt is a known heroin addict, and is insane. Short in stature and large in waistband, he lives the life of a rich British Victorian aristocrat, reflected in his trademark monocle, top hat, vest, spats, and a tailcoat.

Sacred Emperor Lucifer Halcyon: And finally, the god-king around which the hatching war revolves, the man that set in motion these events by the murder of the previous, disgraced Sacred Emperor, brutally quashing the Parian rebellion, and seizing every last shred of power in the Imperium. It is strange to think that these events were determined fifty years ago, when the last Sacred Emperor gained the throne and shamed it by his weakness, enabling the Parians to start a revolution, which gave Lucifer his chance for power, who crushed the Parians and thus spawned the discontented mutters behind the back of the Imperium...and now the massive civil war that the Imperium is bound to create eventually is on his doorstep. Lucifer is probably the most capable person in the Imperium, but the question is whether even he can tear a victory for the loyalist forces from the jaws of the five High Lords.


SUMMARY: (May be repetitive)
In short, there are five High Lords (or there will be when I start the IC thread). The country is completely divided over who should succed, meanwhile terrorism is rampant. In the IC thread, they will secede and the Imperium will go into a massive civil war. Lucifer will ask for international help, but only some of the countries that intervene will be on his side. For the sake of the story, by the way, if EVERYBODY is supporting loyalists, go ahead and support the Anarchists or something. It's boring if it's one-sided. I have selected a few of the High Lords as possible successors, but your actions will determine who actually gets the throne. If you support someone who is not one of these possible successors, I suggest you just switch your support to somebody else when they get killed off. Send assassins (I'll have an assassination sideplot), elite soldiers, or whole armies, and fight it out alongside your chosen High Lord.

Any more questions?

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I'll consider, although do keep in mind that our troops are mercenary forces, so it'll be up to one of your factions to make an offer, hell, having price wars with different factions might make it more interesting.

Awesome. I'll be glad to have you. And since the various factions are all wealthy, and so are the nations joining, bidding wars might get very competitive...:) By the way, I plan to start the IC thread in maybe a week, so...

On that note, bump.

I would probably help the royalist, secure some political friends for the future....... Im assuming this is MT?

Yeah it is, I should have clarified that. Glad to have you, Frozopia. Also, NoF, you would also play a HUGE role in the assassination sideplot.

Here's a map link. My Paint program is acting like a crack addict, and its blurred, I know. It's also hard to read because of size. i would recommend just putting it into a Photoshop or Paint program and zooming in. If that doesn't help, ask me questions. I'll have a summary of background info on the Empire, its geography, its government (etc) up soon, too, and that should tell you a lot.
http://usera.imagecave.com/seuss/FinalWarMap.JPG

Yeah it is, I should have clarified that. Glad to have you, Frozopia. Also, NoF, you would also play a HUGE role in the assassination sideplot.
Thats good, I like that, I'm much better with with that sort of thing than with mass troop movements.

Hmm I need to start RPing more...

I'll join in, but Im not sure on which side yet... I will think that over deeply. :sniper:

My advice, Jipleastan, is to think what your government is into. If it's not very conservative, it won't like Sacred Emperor Lucifer at all, and so might support the Anarchists. Or it might consider them a poor-short term solution (and they're allied with High Lord Asmodeus, who is probably the cruelest and most brutal) and instead back an Unaligned High Lord. If your government is uber-conservative/dictatorial, you'd probably lean more towards Loyalists or one of the more traditional Unaligned ones. Just think who your government would most like to see on the throne.

And sorry if I seem patronizing, telling you how to decide. Just trying to be helpful.

its not my place, but bump

I believe I'll focus first on the Imperial Diplomatic Mission to The Warmaster, especially Lord Varus and his personal distaste for your nation and its ways, despite our outwardly strong alliance. Shortly following the descent into war, I'd like to see our old friend Mr. Black make an appearance to do some deeds of most dastardly nature.

Yeah...in the early parts, I'll make sure to have the Sacred Emperor meet with your emissary to talk the situation over. Anybody supporting Loyalists should probably come too.

It'd be awesome to see Mr. Black come and rough some shit up. I also hope to see Tank McBrain and Boo Radley, so you and Freud get that set up.

Now that my war with Kraven was retcon'd, I'd like to aid the rebellion here.

Me and decision making = not the best of friends, thanks for the help Warmaster.

My Government is well... quite the dictatorship... Yea, I'll probably support/help the Loyalists.

And I'm having trouble seeing who will support Lucifer in a Civil war, and who would be against him, could you be as so kind as to clarify that?

Dramatis Personae: (important people)
Imperator Jakran of clan Vuell
High Lord Avaru of Domain Miradin
High Lord Asmodeus of clan Vasraad
High Lord Ishamael of Domain Sadow
High Lord Jahvan of clan Imilzor
High Lord Rahvin of clan Ares
Crown Prince Antiochus of Domain Halcyon, Heir of the Sacred Emperor
Supreme General Seth of Domain Jamaane, Lord Regent of the Imperium
Dr. Jacob Seuss and Sir Topham Hatt
Sacred Emperor Lucifer of Domain Halcyon

The factions are as follows. (and by the way, the "---- of clan/Domain ---" is formal and takes up too much time. I won't use it much.)

Ishamael, Jahvan, and Avaru are unaligned with a faction and are independent. However, each is particularly powerful, as they must be equal to the others despite the fact that they don't have an institution like the International or the Imperium behind them. In addition, Avaru and Ishamael hate each other. Asmodeus is the High Lord who represents the Anarchists. The final High Lord, Rahvin, is basically the ultimate representation of what Imperial nobility should be, and is Lucifer's golden boy. IC, at least, the plan for the Czardaian War was made and executed by him, with the result of a Czardaian surrender. In short, he is Loyalist. Jakran Vuell is a Loyalist.

Dr. Seuss and Sir Topham Hatt are my two assassins; they, GE's Mr. Black, GE and Freud's Tank McBrain and Boo Radley, and NoF's mercenaries will be taking the assassination contracts, along with anyone else who wants to send assassins. If they all get taken, I can make more if needed. But Seuss and Hatt are Loyalists.

Crown Prince Antiochus is a Loyalist, but will die almost immediately. I can tell you that right now. I mean, the five most talented, resourceful, ingenious, wealthy, charismatic individuals in the Imperium (namely, the High Lords) are ALL trying to kill him. An icicle in hell has a better chance.

And Lucifer of course is a Loyalist.

There will be terrorists employed by the Anarchists to disrupt their enemies; they will probably end up hiring lots of NoF's mercenaries too. Depending on how amoral he is, he might end up giving support to all sides at once.

The Unaligned ones, as I said, are all especially strong; Ishamael is definitely one of the most influential and powerful, and a large chunk of the Legions will follow him, along with the troops in his native Domain. Avaru is pretty similar, and Jahvan is the only High Lord with significant naval power in addition to ground troops.

So, in other words, if joe hates peanut butter, then larry loves jelly! Got it...
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That was quite helpful Warmaster, thank you very much.

I'm Guessing that the General Seth guy is A Loyalist also?

Yeah, forgot him. He's Loyalist.

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im leaning towards a bit of anarchy here...

Fine with me.

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The IC thread draws ever closer...

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is cooler

as for on topic stuff, I like the idea of price wars. It will work nicely, although I would like to know if you have a quarel with expermentally genetically engineered soldiers, although only on a very small scale, like only on one or two soldiers.

Hi,

You invited me to this. It really looks like a massive and epic storyline you've got going here - I just have some problems right now. McKagan ally, Leafanistan, fell into a civil war JUST like this. He even has a side called the loyalists. On top of that i'm swatting the Kraven Corporation from anally invading a small nation on the coast of Africa.

McKagan's past is imperialist. In my first month here I was part of a coalition, the Saharistan War Coalition - who invaded and divided the nation of Saharistan. That player came back and made like 9 other nations. We picked off and divided each of them in the same way. Because of that, the nation of Leafanistan is divided into about 10 different factions all around the globe. McKagan not only has to choose sides there, but keep the colonies from invading McKagan colonial territory and/or using unsecured Leafanistan nuclear assets on just about anything.

The Kraven Conflict is far reaching as well - even though i'm only in one theatre of it I'm using an ENOURMOUS amount of resources keeping him from making landfall.

Another major deployed is in Torontia, where a multi-leveled political war is keeping McKagan from pushing its liberal agenda.

Case in point - I simply cannot ICly come down with the resources and would OOCly be stretched for time. My President came into office looking to build alliances. Now she's fighting wars all around the world.

If I did get involved it would be with a heavy Special Forces presense. That's one part of my military seeing little action. I'd even have trouble GETTING them there. If you had your nation collapse to the point of having a very unsecured border - we could talk.

Hmmm...I see your predicament. But here are some things that might help.

1. The border will certainly be unsecured. The Empire is an island, and usually it is patrolled very regularly and in force. But with the Imperium tearing itself apart in civil war, there'll be large sections of the coast unguarded that you could sneak in by. Or, you could strike a deal with High Lord Jahvan, who will control a large chunk of the navy; he could be persuaded to let a Special Forces group through, if he believed they would help him out. But keep in mind its completely up to you whether you actually would. It would actually be more interesting if you fooled him.

2. You don't even have to send forces if you want; you could RP as one of the High Lords. Right now, I'm going to be RPing the Imperium, and all three Unaligned High Lords; I don't want to be put in a situation where I'm RPing against myself. On that note, this is officially an invitation to ALL participants or potential participants: Please consider RPing a High Lord. Whether or not your nation supports him is irrelevant; if you have any time on your hands, this would be a good way to spend it, because I need SOMEBODY to do it.

Oh and just in case you're worried about my nation completely dissolving, I'm going to hold things together. I hope everyone knows that while they can ravage my country to a pretty fair extent, our goal is not to completely destroy all trace of me.;)

IC thread starts Monday, on my current plan. And NoF, I've got no problem with genetically engineered soldiers, so long as it's just a few.

It's only one or two, and of which, they will assassins.

I might consider RP'ing Asmodeus Vasraad but I'll leave it open in case anyone else wants to make a more full hearted effort at it.

It's only one or two, and of which, they will assassins.

I might consider RP'ing Asmodeus Vasraad but I'll leave it open in case anyone else wants to make a more full hearted effort at it.

Okay, thanks. I owe you.

By the way, I need to clarify something as I BUMP this, keeping in mind that the IC thread is set for tomorrow.

When you RP the High Lords, I really mean that you'll be in control of their armies. You see, for plot purposes the High Lords will have to do certain things, and it's a lot less complicated if I do it myself and not have to explain to another nation exactly what they should say. Also, they will do it in certain ways, and while you can get a basic idea of their characters from the bios, I know all about them, having made them, and so I know exactly how they would react to certain things, which means I can also better further character development.

My suggestion to you, Nation of Fortune, and anyone else considering RPing a High Lord is to invent a general character, with whatever name and character trait you want; make it their right-hand man, and basically make them in charge of the High Lord's army as a practical matter. I'll RP the Lord, and they and the general might get into long conversations involving both nations, but otherwise it'll be your game.

In short (sorry if I come off as long-winded), for High Lords Asmodeus, Ishamael, Jahvan, and Avaru, anyone who wants to RP them will have to create a second in command, thus, realistically, putting you in control of all the High Lord does, and you'll be telling me what you want the High Lord to do; I'll just be determining how it affects their character. Rahvin wasn't on that list because he's just an extension of the Imperium, which I'll be RPing. That was confusing, I know; if you need me to explain again I'll be happy to. Bumpo.

I like RP'ing my own forces. I have issues when it comes to RP'ing characters created by other people.

Right now McKagan's Central Intelligence Division is attempting to raise funds covertly in order to support a few future issues.

What I'd like to do would be have a group of about 20 Special Forces operate from a stealth ship in the region. They'd probably set up a safehouse somewhere on shore and then start looking for contracts. They'd be good to place individual hits on enemy officers with and such.

I know it's almost a corny idea - but i'm bored and I could add another aspect to the game.

I believe I'll focus first on the Imperial Diplomatic Mission to The Warmaster, especially Lord Varus and his personal distaste for your nation and its ways, despite our outwardly strong alliance. Shortly following the descent into war, I'd like to see our old friend Mr. Black make an appearance to do some deeds of most dastardly nature.

I could totally get into some Mr. Black scheming. I'll be all over this on Monday.

In general, Saul Hudson will be trying to contain the war, keeping it within the bounds of the Warmaster. He will not be supporting any particular lord at the outset, but if one of them pleases Hudson significantly, by showing an exceptional amount of ability and leadership, Freudotopia might take sides. For now, the Imperium is concerned with:

1. Not allowing the conflict to spill over onto the Bornerifreudian mainland.

2. Minimizing any sort of international upheaval that could lead to foreign invasion of Warmaster.

3. Resolving the situation as quickly as possible, so as to minimize the repercussions on commerce and diplomacy.

4. Preventing the wholesale secession of elements of the Warmasterian military, leading to large-scale civil war.

Saul Hudson will be sending his personal servants, men such as Samuel Radley, and Special Forces groups such as the Epsilon Corps, to work behind the scenes to resolve the conflict. Certain military units will be utilized at the discretion of Saul Hudson alone. Saul Hudson will coordinate efforts with analogous Generian forces, and will utilize any and all means in his power to protect against the nefarious schemins of Mr. Black, once they are discovered.

I'm looking forward to some high-quality character RPing and small but violent conflicts, plus some good-old fashioned murder, mayhem, and manipulation.

Can't wait to start this.

Bump. Freudotopia, try not to reveal so much of your plans; the more that everything surprises everyone, the more interesting things will be. But I can tell you that the secession of military elements is non-negotiable; it'll happen in the first few posts of the thread which I will create. On that note, today being Monday...I apologize with every inch of my soul, but I forgot something vital and can't start the thread today. I should have it up tomorrow.

To McKagan, I completely understand; RPing another nation's characters, whether or not they asked you to, is just not going to be effective. That's why I have changed my mind; nobody will RP a High Lord or any kind of right-hand man to them.

I will role-play my own nation, but I will be sending out a hitsquad (read: up to 1,000 elite-of-the-elite blackops) to your nation, whose guns will shoot for the highest bidder or those who I would rather see in power. However, since 1,000 men cannot be expected to just sit around, I will attempt (if accecpted) to sow as much discord in the population. As with any blackops, do not expect my men to be easily distinguished (read: stolen uniforms to appear like that of a rival militia, no serial numbers on guns, etc.)

No offense, but I seriously find it hilarious when people use the term black ops. It's hilarious cause you can tell they haven't had much contact with any real military. Everybody I know thats in the military uses the term to refer to when they have to drop a deuce.

Good luck with only a thousand men, you'll need it.

No offense, but I seriously find it hilarious when people use the term black ops. It's hilarious cause you can tell they haven't had much contact with any real military. Everybody I know thats in the military uses the term to refer to when they have to drop a deuce.

Good luck with only a thousand men, you'll need it.

I'm just going to have to say 1,000 agents is a lot. That's one-tenth of my WHOLE Black Ops organization!

I use the term "black ops" to refer to any operation that does not have official funding/oversight; or comes from a section of the military budget that is "blacked out." What did you think I ment? Not all of the men will be used for assassination; some would work well as military advisors/procurement specialists. Any more than 1,000 men might really reduce plausable deniablity.

'Blackops' agents, as you call them, still don't make much of a difference in a situation like it seem's he is going to use them. 'Black ops' agents primary focus is information, placing them in standard combat situations is not going to be much more effective than placing standard soldiers in such a situation. Now if they were being used in conjuction with standard forces that would be useful. Also weapons without serial numbers will get noticed, and will get people in trouble. I don't know how you plan on running it, but in the military today, serial numbers are checked so weapons can be accounted for, when an armorer runs into a situation like that serious checks are made on the person in question.

I use the term "black ops" to refer to any operation that does not have official funding/oversight; or comes from a section of the military budget that is "blacked out." What did you think I ment? Not all of the men will be used for assassination; some would work well as military advisors/procurement specialists. Any more than 1,000 men might really reduce plausable deniablity.
I knew what you meant, I just find the term funny because we use it to indicate we need to take a shit, in the actual factual real life military.

'Blackops' agents, as you call them, still don't make much of a difference in a situation like it seem's he is going to use them. 'Black ops' agents primary focus is information, placing them in standard combat situations is not going to be much more effective than placing standard soldiers in such a situation. Now if they were being used in conjuction with standard forces that would be useful. Also weapons without serial numbers will get noticed, and will get people in trouble. I don't know how you plan on running it, but in the military today, serial numbers are checked so weapons can be accounted for, when an armorer runs into a situation like that serious checks are made on the person in question.

What if his "Black Ops" do things differently? Seriously, my organization (literally called "Black Ops") does information, assasination, special forces, etc.

I don't intend to use them in standard combat. I intend to make contact with one of the warlords (high lords, same thing), and begin assassinating targets who are against him. As far as serial numbers go, I do not intend to use only my own weapons, but rather anything that can be captured/procured. It would be insane to use 1,000 men for regular engagements.

What if his "Black Ops" do things differently? Seriously, my organization (literally called "Black Ops") does information, assasination, special forces, etc.
He indicated he was going to place the majority of them among the troops, in which case their primary objective would be information, but with nowhere to send the information it's pointless. Assassinations and other things of that nature work fine, just his indication of placing them among the troops was rendering them pointless.

I don't intend to use them in standard combat. I intend to make contact with one of the warlords (high lords, same thing), and begin assassinating targets who are against him. As far as serial numbers go, I do not intend to use only my own weapons, but rather anything that can be captured/procured. It would be insane to use 1,000 men for regular engagements.
Missed that point, but I still find the term 'blackops' hilarious.

The only real interactions I plan on using my troops for with regular troops is to create el salvadorian style deathsquads (like the black shadow). Hopefully that clarified everything, and yes, I can see the humor from your perspective.

Mer des Ennuis, you're in. Incidentally, what's the adjective of your nation? Ennuan? Ennuite? And yes, everybody enjoys a good shit joke. By the way, bump.

I think Ennusian works well, though i suppose Ennuite could work in a pinch. (this is not a bump)

I'll totally be supportin the loyalists.

And BTW, when you make a paint map, dont save in JPG, use PNG. You'll avoid the pixelazation and it'll be easier to read and see.

I personally, having little RP experience, will be RPing my own forces, simply allied with a group (most likely the loyalists). Me and long and in-depth character traits do not mix well... Then again neither do me and geometry homework...

I personally, having little RP experience, will be RPing my own forces, simply allied with a group (most likely the loyalists). Me and long and in-depth character traits do not mix well... Then again neither do me and geometry homework...
Yeah, we're kinda opposites in that regard, I'm way better with in depth character things than I am with the movements of armies and that sort of thing.

anrchy for me, i could be the jumped up farmer with radical ideals leading mobs, or could be the guy feeding information to these mobs

hmmm

Bump
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Got it in mind, Borman, awesome; and Jip, I hear you. But remember, the only reason I threw the character aspect of this into the thread is so that I won't be put in the position of RPing against myself when two High Lords meet in battle, and so that the thread will have another thing to interest potential members. So Ieuano, you can RP a character if you want, but if I were you I would TG me with some questions that you'll need answered, because the Imperium is a complex and barely sane society, and it's obviously much better if your character fits into the background. And Jip, your attitude is probably pretty typical, and it works just fine.

As for me ending up RPing against myself, I've almost got a solution; I'll have it soon. Bumpity.

BUMP.

Rejoice! The IC thread is upon us!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=479344

Yay! Celebration! More things to suck me away from that college level book report! *Shakes fist* Damn book reports!