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Post your OOC stuff here from now on. Don't clutter the main thread anymore.

Kraven, are you going to attack me? The only way I will join in to the fighting is, if Kraven or Whyatica attacks me. You two know I’m hostile against everything Kraven because of things that happen in Jagada.

ooc: Why would he attack you then?

Because he is an evil person. Plus, I do have many subject that would be good to use in his CP programs. If he does not attack, I will go in and attack first.

Kraven, are you going to attack me? The only way I will join in to the fighting is, if Kraven or Whyatica attacks me. You two know I’m hostile against everything Kraven because of things that happen in Jagada.



Because he is an evil person. Plus, I do have many subject that would be good to use in his CP programs. If he does not attack, I will go in and attack first.

I'll be attacking you in Jagada, so you can consider the attack on the base to be the Primary phase of Aggression against the count, I will however be away for 4 days.

Velkya: As you are well aware, the Kraven army does not have an airforce to speak of, so research was poured in on effective ground air defenses, in the form of a mobile ZSU 663, now while other CIWS Style weapons are short ranged, Kraven ones are not, they have longer barrels and are designed for not really accurate fire, but longer ranges, I would also appreciate it if you would not dictate what my forces do to me.

That will work then, Kraven. See you in four days then.

[ooc:] Is this open? I may decide to get involved as an ally of Kahanistan; my current war thread's moving rather slowly...

Velkya I would also appreciate it if you don't declare what my missiles are and aren't. They're SPACE-LAUNCHED MISSILES so they're obviously protected against the heat. And, I'm not going to be stupid and use unguided missiles in space, so they are guided.

Actually, on further consideration, I'll probably have to get involved, as I border Kahanistan to the north (and don't want Kraven taking advantage of my postwar situation). Plus my Deputy Foreign Minister is in Najaster. So... may I join? Please? ;)

It's already sort of a dogpile against Kraven. I wasn't aware you had any military assets left, I was under the impression CAD was about to wreck you.

Actually, on further consideration, I'll probably have to get involved, as I border Kahanistan to the north (and don't want Kraven taking advantage of my postwar situation). Plus my Deputy Foreign Minister is in Najaster. So... may I join? Please? ;)


We could launch another front against you? that way you can get involved, but not dogpiling the main force?

That RP became a huge, unmanageable godmodded mess and ended up with the CAD nations either being ignored or the Woodstock Pact nations pulling out because of RL pressures. Therefore, everything from the point of the abortive peace conference on has been retconned.

Besides, I'm not planning a massive operation either. I'll probably be utilising some air assets, the "prototype battlegroup" that was stationed at North Point in TSS during the invasion [~80 ships], and maybe a few ground forces... no 30 million man armies and Imperial Star Destroyers or anything like that.

We could launch another front against you? that way you can get involved, but not dogpiling the main force?
Well, yes, we've just realised that basically we're going to be next if Kahanistan falls, and Father will probably realise that too, thus launching a pre-emptive strike through Transylvania or the Mediterranean to wipe us out before we come to Kahanistan's aid.

That would make a bit more sense...

Cool, well I'll probably get round to starting the second front in a few days, Im away at a conference at the moment, so im not going to have much time to post etc, but ill spend the time to think of some story line to go along with it, we can keep it just me vs you if you'd like to avoid more dog piling and turning it into a huge morass of posting?

Cool, well I'll probably get round to starting the second front in a few days, Im away at a conference at the moment, so im not going to have much time to post etc, but ill spend the time to think of some story line to go along with it, we can keep it just me vs you if you'd like to avoid more dog piling and turning it into a huge morass of posting?

OOC: Kraven, check TG.

Yes, that would most likely work. I'm currently working on a glorified [TAG] for the main thread, so I'll modify it to fit the proposed storyline.

Yes, that would most likely work. I'm currently working on a glorified [TAG] for the main thread, so I'll modify it to fit the proposed storyline.

Excellent, excellent, I'll set to work then... *cogs begin to grind*

Velkya I would also appreciate it if you don't declare what my missiles are and aren't. They're SPACE-LAUNCHED MISSILES so they're obviously protected against the heat. And, I'm not going to be stupid and use unguided missiles in space, so they are guided.

Wouldn't the intense heat (and speed) make a mockery of nearly all steering systems? I mean, a hypersonic missile is hard enough to steer properly in the first place, imagine deorbiting a missile while pushing it through immense layers of superheated gases, you are asking for a miracle.


As you are well aware, the Kraven army does not have an airforce to speak of, so research was poured in on effective ground air defenses, in the form of a mobile ZSU 663, now while other CIWS Style weapons are short ranged, Kraven ones are not, they have longer barrels and are designed for not really accurate fire, but longer ranges, I would also appreciate it if you would not dictate what my forces do to me.

Edit: Nevermind. :p

Velkya I would also appreciate it if you don't declare what my missiles are and aren't. They're SPACE-LAUNCHED MISSILES so they're obviously protected against the heat. And, I'm not going to be stupid and use unguided missiles in space, so they are guided.

Heh... that is what I said.

So I see the war has turned nuclear...

Transylvanian Air Incursion
Over ten million pounds of napalm flew across the desert sands, but with the various impurities in the desert sand, the melting point of Whyatican sand was higher than the average temperature of napalm, and the sands simply burned, with the SAM facilities remaining safe underneath.

Do you know how hot napalm is? Napalm generates temperatures 800 to 1,200 degrees Celsius. So, the sand would be burned. Doing that will heat up the surface, making your underground SAM facilities into ovens. It does not matter if they were made from steel or another metal or cement. It will be an oven because of the heat above them.

Do you know how hot napalm is? Napalm generates temperatures 800 to 1,200 degrees Celsius. So, the sand would be burned. Doing that will heat up the surface, making your underground SAM facilities into ovens. It does not matter if they were made from steel or another metal or cement. It will be an oven because of the heat above them.

While that is true, it depends on how deep the facilities are. At some point there is enough distance that it wouldn't cause a great effect.

Trans, the SAM facilities, while not especially cooked, won't really work again on their next firing because of flaws in the burying/unburying system. I forgot to mention that on my IC post.

Oh… that will work then. Well, you had me mad because you said the SAM sites were not harmed. So…that is why I posted what I post in here.

The harm will come out the next time they try to fire, namely, the innards of the SAM getting gunked by napalm-soaked sand.

Really, enough heat and your sensitive targeting equipment will be ruined, turning your SAM batteries into nice fireworks launchers, if the fire control systems survive.

That is true, although the Targeting and Telementry systems could come from any other source, it would just be a matter of switching the target systems, although with such heat i suspect most of the wires to have been fried, although not in others, so it would be hit or miss with which ones actualy were guided... (no pun intended)

or unless Whyatica's Pimped my SAM SITE and has air conditioning in all of them and a bassy surround sound.....

I don't see how Drum N Bass will help him shoot down planes, but hey, whatever. :rolleyes:

There are 20 million soldiers and numerous armored vehicles moving in that direction)

I'm sorry, but that's a ludcrious number of soldiers to fit into Kahanistan, of all places.

That is true, although the Targeting and Telementry systems could come from any other source, it would just be a matter of switching the target systems, although with such heat i suspect most of the wires to have been fried, although not in others, so it would be hit or miss with which ones actualy were guided... (no pun intended)

If they're underground, that does have quite an adverse effect on communications.

I'm sorry, but that's a ludcrious number of soldiers to fit into Kahanistan, of all places.

Considering I stated how many soldiers I had in my first post, I don't know why you have decided to comment now. However, you can think whatever you want - I really don't care. The fact of the matter is... the battle is being fought there, so that is where you send your troops.

Just because the land itself isn't important, doesn't mean the battle isn't.

The Liberator IIs each held twenty-five HDB-2 earthquake bombs, a clone of the United States' T-12 Earthquake bomb with a RAM/Carbon Fiber Reinforced Plastic skin (to negate the bomb's RADAR signature) and far more potent explosive force, almost twice as much as the original bomb, as well as the large, thick (and very resilient) penetrator cap designed to bury the bomb far enough to cause an miniature seismic event (the penetrator cap of the HDB-2 extends a quarter of the way up the bomb’s body). In addition to these more obvious improvements, the bomb was now able to be guided via an internal map of the battlefield, which was 98% compatible with a normal GPS-powered map, which allowed the weapon to be centered on an aim point with astounding accuracy. Then, it happened. The bomb bays opened, pouring five-hundred of these monsters down on the approaching enemy forces, carpeting the Neo-Kraven soldiers in millions of pounds of high explosives in a semi-aimed fashion. The Liberators, now sufficiently lightened, turned around, heading back at low=supersonic speeds to friendly airspace to rearm and refuel, as a second bomber group, this one armed with anti-tank munitions, headed up to the battle zone.

Not giving me the chance to shoot down your bombers = GMing. Thus I will ignore your attack unless you edit it.

Considering I stated how many soldiers I had in my first post, I don't know why you have decided to comment now. However, you can think whatever you want - I really don't care. The fact of the matter is... the battle is being fought there, so that is where you send your troops.

Just because the land itself isn't important, doesn't mean the battle isn't.

That's not the point I'm trying to make, it's that Kahanistan is TINY, only half the size of Isreal, and you're squeezing 20 million men into it! That's flipping insane, not to mention the massive logistical and communications problems you'll be having with maintaining a 20 million man force, and you're RPing them covering huge expanses of land in only a few hours.

Not giving me the chance to shoot down your bombers = GMing. Thus I will ignore your attack unless you edit it.

Please, by all means, try to shoot at my bombers, Ive RPed them turning back for home, not getting home.

Please, by all means, try to shoot at my bombers, Ive RPed them turning back for home, not getting home.

Umm... they already dropped their bombs.

Fluid time, you can RP shooting at them before they drop the bombs, it doesn't matter.

Now explain your horde here.

That's not the point I'm trying to make, it's that Kahanistan is TINY, only half the size of Isreal, and you're squeezing 20 million men into it! That's flipping insane, not to mention the massive logistical and communications problems you'll be having with maintaining a 20 million man force, and you're RPing them covering huge expanses of land in only a few hours.

*sigh*

Obviously the 20 million man army isn't going to be occupying Kahanistan for an extended period of time... they are for the battle.

I am RPing the offensive forces covering the distance at roughly 45 KM (increased now). The support and logistics will be following up as the offensive forces barrel over the enemy. So, yes, it isn't technically 20 million at the front. More like 12 million. Now... stop criticizing my war plan - it is what it is.

Fluid time, you can RP shooting at them before they drop the bombs, it doesn't matter.

Now explain your horde here.

Fluid time would work... in normal cases. Unfortuantely you have already stated how many bombs were successfuly dropped... so it won't work. Say half of your bombers are shot down... then the payload is half. Edit your post and I will reply.

You're right, I should stop criticizing your war plan.

Ignored.

You're right, I should stop criticizing your war plan.

Ignored.

Ignore me all you want. The fact of the matter is I (and many people) have no respect for you whatsoever. You constantly GM, and you accuse others of not taking the appropriate casualties while you yourself are guilty of the same thing.

And if you ignore me, I will ignore your forces... make your choice.

I really don't care what you and these "many other people" think of me, if you haven't noticed already. Point to the areas where I have constantly godmodded in this RP, I would appreciate this.

And for future reference, ignore away.

I really don't care what you and these "many other people" think of me, if you haven't noticed already. Point to the areas where I have constantly godmodded in this RP, I would appreciate this.

And for future reference, ignore away.

Hmm... off the top of my mind it would be saying that Whyatica's missiles weren't heat proofed. You saying that the hypersonic missiles were travelling too fast to intercept your fighters. Then not giving me anytime to fire at your incoming bombers. (Oh, and I will add a little comment of yours about Scorpion helicopters lurking silently despite having fired missiles and rattling enemy concentrations with 32mms).

Now, from my understanding, 2... 3...4... GMs (even slight ones) in no more than six or seven posts isn't exactly a great ratio.

Dear god... not this already... I'm not going to put this RP on pause for the same bullshit that I got in the Concremo Invasion, now Velkya square your ass away and get with the programe, I will not stop this RP because of your attitude towards other Roleplayers, now you either sort out your problems, or you will simply be ignored, because Im Not having this happen another time, Period

Ok ok ok ok...


I can see Velkya's point about putting 20 million, but if Kraven and Kahanistan OK it, then I have no problems.

Velkya, if you want to start ignoring people, then go ahead and leave this RP.

Hmm... off the top of my mind it would be saying that Whyatica's missiles weren't heat proofed. You saying that the hypersonic missiles were travelling too fast to intercept your fighters. Then not giving me anytime to fire at your incoming bombers. (Oh, and I will add a little comment of yours about Scorpion helicopters lurking silently despite having fired missiles and rattling enemy concentrations with 32mms).

Now, from my understanding, 2... 3...4... GMs (even slight ones) in no more than six or seven posts isn't exactly a great ratio.

I know I'm not involved in THIS Kraven RP, but I must say Neo Kravenites is correct.

I can see Velkya's point about putting 20 million, but if Kraven and Kahanistan OK it, then I have no problems.

I can handle those 20 million men with my...large fleet of bombers. Cook them alive, baby!

Fluid time would work... in normal cases. Unfortuantely you have already stated how many bombs were successfuly dropped... so it won't work. Say half of your bombers are shot down... then the payload is half. Edit your post and I will reply.

Bomber can still drop bombs, if they are hit. All they have to do is open the bomb bay up and bombs fall to the ground. That is what my bomber pilots do. Most of those bombs would hit or not hit your forces.

Ok ok ok ok...


I can see Velkya's point about putting 20 million, but if Kraven and Kahanistan OK it, then I have no problems.

Velkya, if you want to start ignoring people, then go ahead and leave this RP.

It isn't about whether they OK or it not. I am bringing 20 million men... that is just a fact.

I know I'm not involved in THIS Kraven RP, but I must say Neo Kravenites is correct.

Thank you.

Bomber can still drop bombs, if they are hit. All they have to do is open the bomb bay up and bombs fall to the ground. That is what my bomber pilots do. Most of those bombs would hit or not hit your forces.

It is much harder to drop a bomb when the plane is blown up, or the bay door gears are broken, or the bomber pilot was hit with a massive bullet....

It is much harder to drop a bomb when the plane is blown up, or the bay door gears are broken, or the bomber pilot was hit with a massive bullet....

I’m going to tell you something, the bays will be open before they get over the target. And about the plane being blow up, it is not fully destroyed. So stuff will fall to the Earth.

Can you tell me where your forces are? So, I don’t have to read and find out.

It is much harder to drop a bomb when the plane is blown up, or the bay door gears are broken, or the bomber pilot was hit with a massive bullet....

Because we all know that a minigun can accuratly target a supersonic aircraft flying at over 100,000 feet in the air.

It isn't about whether they OK or it not. I am bringing 20 million men... that is just a fact.

Stop aruging around it. You have a impossibly huge force that is way too large for your population and budget. Worse yet, you've deployed it in one area and seem to have the ability to move it as one cohensive unit without any of the massive delays in communication and supply that would plauge any army one-tenth it's size.

Hmm... off the top of my mind it would be saying that Whyatica's missiles weren't heat proofed.

Again, this is bogus. Explain how a hypersonic spaced launched from space has the mauvering power to strike an object flying at a similar speed inside the atmosphere.

You saying that the hypersonic missiles were travelling too fast to intercept your fighters.

They were traveling too fast. If you knew anything about this, you would realise that hypersonic objects have horrid manevering abilities, unlike a dedicated air superiority fighter like the Sturmfalke.

Then not giving me anytime to fire at your incoming bombers.

I already said you could fire at them.

Oh, and I will add a little comment of yours about Scorpion helicopters lurking silently despite having fired missiles and rattling enemy concentrations with 32mms.

That's writing. That shouldn't even be considered.

Dear god... not this already... I'm not going to put this RP on pause for the same bullshit that I got in the Concremo Invasion, now Velkya square your ass away and get with the programe, I will not stop this RP because of your attitude towards other Roleplayers, now you either sort out your problems, or you will simply be ignored, because Im Not having this happen another time, Period

It seems that with every RP with you in it, I have flying mobile suits, uber soldiers, a half a million missiles, uber miniguns, 200 ton tanks, or impossibly huge numbers of soldiers coming at me.

And for the record, the RP is already on pause due to Psi's absense.

I dont' understand how a nation can have seven percent of its population in army alone.. without the communication and logistical MESS that would form, not to mention and absolute collapse in infrastructure... that's utterly and absolutely ridiculous. Your army would fall apart because of the massive strain put on feeding and supplying these troops and pushing them into combat, and don't forget the massive morale hit when tightly packed troops get ripped apart by large bombs and FAEs and stuff.. I still cannot comprehend how a 271 million nation can even try to claim a 20 million man army.

I dont' understand how a nation can have seven percent of its population in army alone.. without the communication and logistical MESS that would form, not to mention and absolute collapse in infrastructure... that's utterly and absolutely ridiculous. Your army would fall apart because of the massive strain put on feeding and supplying these troops and pushing them into combat, and don't forget the massive morale hit when tightly packed troops get ripped apart by large bombs and FAEs and stuff.. I still cannot comprehend how a 271 million nation can even try to claim a 20 million man army.

Sup Hog,

Do you have any knowledge of how Kraven works (or for that matter Neo Kraven)?

Does it honestly matter how he gets his troops, that's wanky enough on it's on.

Does it honestly matter how he gets his troops, that's wanky enough on it's on.

Well, from what little I know, they are 'produced' and if you are RPing with Kraven, you understand that his tech/military isn't standard. I believe he has said it many times that if you don't like the way he RPs, ignore him. Being in an RP with him is consent.

*2 Cents*

Well, from what little I know, they are 'produced' and if you are RPing with Kraven, you understand that his tech/military isn't standard. I believe he has said it many times that if you don't like the way he RPs, ignore him. Being in an RP with him is consent.

*2 Cents*

Kraven's troops aren't the problem, it's NK's 20 million man army.

Kraven's troops aren't the problem, it's NK's 20 million man army.

I don't really want to get into an argument as I was just dropping my two cents in. However, I tend to talk a lot with Kraven and also follow his RPs loosely - from what I know Kraven and the Supreme State use about 7% for their military. I just calculated NK's (20 Million / 271 Million) and it equals just about 7%.

*2 Cents*

*Ducks Out*

It's more the logistical and effectiveness side that's catching my attention. But, thanks anyways.

It's more the logistical and effectiveness side that's catching my attention. But, thanks anyways.
Technically, Kraven and NK (and all the other slave states) are one nation, so his army is justified.

It seems that with every RP with you in it, I have flying mobile suits, uber soldiers, a half a million missiles, uber miniguns, 200 ton tanks, or impossibly huge numbers of soldiers coming at me.

And for the record, the RP is already on pause due to Psi's absense.

*sighs*

You know what Kraven is, you have RP'ed with me before, so you should know what to expect... if you don't like it, then don't post, simple.

Hey Velkya, the 20 million men army will be handled. I’m going to bomb the living Hell out of them. All I need is where the Hell is the army at?

Okay. Since Psychotic Psychos is back, I would like this to continue.

Kraven, I hope your post addresses not just the losses from Allanean and Coalition fire, but also your capture of Admiral Cameron. :D

I already HAVE bombed them. With 500 45,0000 pound penetration bombs, no doubt.

Well, I was going to do it the fun way. Burn them alive.

Technically, Kraven and NK (and all the other slave states) are one nation, so his army is justified.

Unless they're different people behind the nations, that's called puppet-wank, and a massive no-no in the NS RP community. However, do as you wish. Sometimes that's what makes it fun.

Seriously, remember:

1) This is a game
2) This is for the story, let some wank slide for the sake of it.

Oh, and the 20 million man army is possible, but it can only be deployed for a short time. He's already stated that he only intends on crushing the opposition with them and reducing his forces.

On that note, I still don't know if I can participate in this RP or not. I've got lotsa trouble back home ICly, and I need to take care of it. Overall, though, it's a nice read.

Unless they're different people behind the nations, that's called puppet-wank, and a massive no-no in the NS RP community. However, do as you wish. Sometimes that's what makes it fun.

We are two different people...

We are two different people...

Well, good for you. Now, I asked this before two times. Where are your forces at?

Well, good for you. Now, I asked this before two times. Where are your forces at?

Crossing the Sinai. They are nearing Kahanistan from the Southwest.

Thanks. Well prepare to be bombed again. *Evil laughing*

You do know that nukes = MAD, correct?

Yeeeeesh! 5000 fighter planes! Holy Smokes that's a lot of birds that are in the air.

This should be fairly interesting.

You do know that nukes = MAD, correct?

Nukes have been used all ready. Plus, this is going to be the first time I have used nukes. I might call it back.

And are you going to RP the damage from my air raid?

Nukes have been used all ready. Plus, this is going to be the first time I have used nukes. I might call it back.

And are you going to RP the damage from my air raid?

Umm... yeah. You only posted two hours ago - cool it - I am not on every second of the day to respond.


Sigh... if another nuclear weapon is used, this is going to turn into a nuclear holocaust.

Umm... yeah. You only posted two hours ago - cool it - I am not on every second of the day to respond.


Sigh... if another nuclear weapon is used, this is going to turn into a nuclear holocaust.

I'm inclined to agree, no more nukes from either side.

Umm... yeah. You only posted two hours ago - cool it - I am not on every second of the day to respond.

I was not talking about that to you. That was addressed at Whyatica

Sigh... if another nuclear weapon is used, this is going to turn into a nuclear holocaust.

It is called the last option. if the first two bomber runs don’t do enough damage, that is where the ‘Black Dragon’ comes in.

Right now, you are in a air battle with Fourheart airships. So…my bombers will not be your only problem. Plus, the ten B-2s would be the first to arrive.

Nukes have been used all ready. Plus, this is going to be the first time I have used nukes. I might call it back.

And are you going to RP the damage from my air raid?

I can't ignore the use of several megaton weapons on an ally - I could sorta forget about the Allanean tacnuke because I didn't want to descend it to nuclear war. Basically, I'll just send out a quick IC broadcast saying that "Any further use of nuclear weapons upon the Supreme State will result in a total holocaust."

oh, and the air raid will be responded to tomorrow. I need SLEEP.

I can't ignore the use of several megaton weapons on an ally - I could sorta forget about the Allanean tacnuke because I didn't want to descend it to nuclear war. Basically, I'll just send out a quick IC broadcast saying that "Any further use of nuclear weapons upon the Supreme State will result in a total holocaust."

And we want total holocaust on you and the others. I will RP a message back after your post. You will love it.

oh, and the air raid will be responded to tomorrow. I need SLEEP.

That will be cool.

I was not talking about that to you. That was addressed at Whyatica

Oh, alright - my bad. (All the bombers in your last post are heading for Neo Kraven forces, right?)

It is called the last option. if the first two bomber runs don’t do enough damage, that is where the ‘Black Dragon’ comes in.

Whether it is a last option or not, more nuclear weapons will have reprecussions.

He didn't use nukes first. I did.

Nuclear weapons are kept out of wars/RPs for the most part for a reason...

Oh, alright - my bad. (All the bombers in your last post are heading for Neo Kraven forces, right?)

Yes, they are heading your way. But you have bigger problem then my bombers. Fourheart airships.

Whether it is a last option or not, more nuclear weapons will have reprecussions.

Nukes will be use after your and other ground forces are destroy. These types of nukes = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_bunker_buster

For those underground breeding facilities.

Nuclear weapons are kept out of wars/RPs for the most part for a reason...

They do drop a large force in one attack like Allanea did. I just want to use a bloody nuke one time. I will use them later, I don‘t like underground breed centers or whatever they are called.

They do drop a large force in one attack like Allanea did. I just want to use a bloody nuke one time. I will use them later, I don‘t like underground breed centers or whatever they are called.

You have to know where they are to target them... ;)

And we want total holocaust on you and the others.

And that, my undead friend, is the situation we're trying to avoid. I have neither the time noir will to begin a nuclear war, and I doubt most of the others do either, so let's keep it conventional, ok?

You have to know where they are to target them... ;)

Follow the supply routes, you'll find them.

You have to know where they are to target them... ;)

I can find out. Get some Kraven officers and get the info out of them.

I repeat this, you need to deal with Fourheart airships before my bomber get near you. My bombers would arrive in the middle of your fight with Fourheart.

And that, my undead friend, is the situation we're trying to avoid. I have neither the time noir will to begin a nuclear war, and I doubt most of the others do either, so let's keep it conventional, ok?

So…you want Kraven forces to run around and rebuild themselves like before? I’m going to do everything I can to make sure no more Kraven freaks are running around. Be it using a shit load of bombs or gas thier forces.

Mm, genocide. THis story just got better.

Transylvania:

Yes, you might be able to annihilate Whyatica, but what's the point? You'll be dead too.

We are two different people...

There. Justified. Besides, I've seen both on at the smae time.

Let me be careful about this:

It's impossible to totally annihilate an NS nation.

Mostly because rare is the roleplayer who will consent to it. I know I sure wouldn't.

Anybody who seriously attempt to 'annihilate' all Kravenites in this RP will cause a bitchfest of insane proportions.

I suggest Kraven has/should/will become a 'recurring opponent' sort of person. He's VERY fun in this role, and I don't see why he shouldn't continue in it. :)

Kraven, bug me on MSN please :)

I'd kind of like to get in on this as I'm sure Kahanistan has fond (not) memories of the last time I was a "guest" of his nation.

Transylvania: Yes, you might be able to annihilate Whyatica, but what's the point? You'll be dead too.

You, Kraven and Neo are outnumbered in this thread and others. If we did not use nukes, you three would be destroyed. Your nations are what you would call a huge problem. Just get ready to have air campaign after air campaign flow into your nation.

The Black Dragon will be called back. Damn, I want to use a nuke for the first time.

Wait, I got this from your last post. small-yield tactical nuclear weapon into the mix. I though we agreed no more nukes in this thread, Whyatica?

I'm using the nukes on his missile swarm, not on any enemy soldiers.

You, Kraven and Neo are outnumbered in this thread and others. If we did not use nukes, you three would be destroyed. Your nations are what you would call a huge problem. Just get ready to have air campaign after air campaign flow into your nation.

The Black Dragon will be called back. Damn, I want to use a nuke for the first time.

You guys will just trip over each other :)

It is still the use of nukes. If you don’t want them to be used, you don’t use them then and we will not use them too. Understand?

It is still the use of nukes. If you don’t want them to be used, you don’t use them then and we will not use them too. Understand?

I don't care whether you use them or not. You just need to understand the consequences of nuking me. I used nukes in my own nation against an Allanean missile spam. Understand?

I care if you are using them on missiles or people, we agreed not to use nukes in this thread last night. You using nukes will make everyone start using nukes. No nukes will not be used in this thread because we do not need a nuclear war.

Hell, I’m going to deleted the Black Dragon part of my post. It never happened.

I would like to join this RP. The problem is, I dont see anyway I could join, story wise I mean.

And if I did I would back the Kraven.

Myself and Matt / Questers would like entry under the aegis of a joint concordat / commenwealth operations.

Myself and Matt / Questers would like entry under the aegis of a joint concordat / commenwealth operations.

Im going to have to say no, Im afraid, its already turning into a dog pile, so I'd rather not add more nations to the boiling pot, Sorry, but there will be plenty of time for you to get involved in other conflicts, as Kraven is constantly waging wars, Not meaning to cause offence, i just don't want it to get swamped, as I have trouble keeping up with work and time constraints :)

Argh, brilliance. I have absolutely no intention of sending a special forces team to recover my defense minister and his consorts at the Kahanistanian conference, what should I do?

Argh, brilliance. I have absolutely no intention of sending a special forces team to recover my defense minister and his consorts at the Kahanistanian conference, what should I do?

Why wouldn't you want to send one?

You could just fly him out through the Mediterranean.

First off, NK, you need to get some facts straight. I did some research on those F-19 you are using.

Type: Fighter
Use: Air superiority fighter
Crew: 1 (Pilot/Gunner)
Engines: 2 TLS PDE-X13s (28,780 pounds of thrust each)
Length: 60.3 ft
Height: 17 ft
Wingspan: 45.2 ft
Weight: 22.1 tons
Speed:
-Mach 2.4 (cruising speed)
-Mach 2.9 (maximum speed)
Range: 2000 miles
Armor: Triad Armour
Armament:
-8x Air-to-Air Missiles
-1x Hell-Raiser Machine Gun
VTOL: No
Aircraft Carrier: Yes
Stealth: Yes
-Archangel
-RAM
Ceiling: 85,895
Systems:
-DAC
-EMP DAD
-SBRR
-Archangel
-Triad Armour
-Guardian Turrets
-HES

F-23CSJ Black Widow II
Crew: 1
Maximum Weight: 32,000 kg
Empty Weight: 13,608 kg
Length: 22.55m
Height: 4.24m
Wingspan: 14.29m
Speed: Mach 2.2 (2340 km/h), Supercruise Mach 1.7 (1810 km/h)
Range: 4500 km, 1800 km combat radius
Ceiling: 19,800m
Armament: 1x20mm Vulcan, 1 main & 2 secondary weapons bays for 4xAMRAAM & 4xSidewinder. 6xSDB or 2x500 lb JDAM can also be loaded in the MWB.
Radar Range: 250 km (fighter), 520 km (bomber)
IRST Range: 150 km
An improved variant of the F-23 Black Widow II advanced fighter, which is an exceptional performer in the air superiority role. The aircraft is notably faster, stealthier, longer ranged, and more agile than the F-22, but is a much more specialized unit that lacks its contemporary’s diverse payload and ground attack capabilities.

Saying that my fighters are outgunned and outmaneuvered is a joke. Both have eight missiles and both fly at Mach 2. So they are not outgunned or outmaneuverd. Do you think I have rookie pilots flying them? Nope, if you think I did. Now, with that over, I will write a post.

Why wouldn't you want to send one?

You could just fly him out through the Mediterranean.
Because I don't want a war with TKC and it's slave states....yet.

Sorry I haven't posted in a few days... I have been kind of busy.

First off, NK, you need to get some facts straight. I did some research on those F-19 you are using.

Saying that my fighters are outgunned and outmaneuvered is a joke. Both have eight missiles and both fly at Mach 2. So they are not outgunned or outmaneuverd. Do you think I have rookie pilots flying them? Nope, if you think I did. Now, with that over, I will write a post.

First of all, it was an IC statement... not an OOC one. Just some narration of the story. Secondly, Mach 2.2 (the F-23's max) and Mach 2.9 (the F-19's max) are vastly different, especially when they are in a dog fight. Furthermore, the F-19 is lighter and more manueverable...

This is a pointless argument.

Because I don't want a war with TKC and it's slave states....yet.

But if you send them before Kraven reaches the conference (and obviously covertly) he will never know.

Or you could just let your guy die :p

The important thing is that you're here now and can respond to my attacks.

Psi-Pso:

You do realize that using nukes on my navy is a full nuclear holocaust, right?


The Supreme States Stance on usage of Weapons of Mass Destruction, including the Deployment of ICBM's, Nuclear Weaponry, Including Tactical, Biological and Chemical Weapons is that a FULL RETALITORY STRIKE shall be made upon the agressor nation for a total of one week, this is FULL NUCLEAR CLEANSING, and will ensure that the hostile nation is delt with in an extreme manner, any further cells or surviving colonies will be Occupied and the population wiped out through Conventional Means.

as of yet, The Supreme State has not needed to deploy the Nuclear Cleansing Doctrine, and so The Supreme States Nuclear, Chemical, and Biological Stock pile remains fully intact...

(The reason for this is due to the fact that Kraven is more likely to survive MAD than any other nation on NS)

Alright, I finally replied... sincerely sorry for the delay guys.

Neo, check this out. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432858 Go down to the first thing, which is the MF-98A Super Phoenix air superiority fighter. Focus on this part; Stealth systems.

>Active stealth system
>Built in RADAR absorbent materials
>"Shade"II active camouflage system (scenery mimicking fiber optics)
>Heat masking on engines and some weapon systems (aerogel)

And tell me how only hundreds died form my bombing run? The deaths should be in thousands with all of those bombs.

Just out of curiosity, how does your active stealth system work?

If you saw the link I post, you would see it was Markov not my thread. His store was a PMT type store.

Neo, check this out. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432858 Go down to the first thing, which is the MF-98A Super Phoenix air superiority fighter. Focus on this part; Stealth systems.

>Active stealth system
>Built in RADAR absorbent materials
>"Shade"II active camouflage system (scenery mimicking fiber optics)
>Heat masking on engines and some weapon systems (aerogel)[/URL]

1) "Active Stealth System" well that makes sense... whatever the hell that is.

2) RAM only does so much.

3) Scenery mimicking fiber optics will do nothing against Radar

4) Fine...

The sattelite and communication systems of NK noticed the launch from the aircraft carrier. Also, if you have mounted missile compartments, it effectively destroys the design of the plane to minimize the RCS.

And tell me how only hundreds died form my bombing run? The deaths should be in thousands with all of those bombs.

Because the back of the formation has less people and they are scattered more. Also, hundreds can mean 2500... it doesn't have to mean only a couple hundred.

1) "Active Stealth System" well that makes sense... whatever the hell that is.

2) RAM only does so much.

3) Scenery mimicking fiber optics will do nothing against Radar

4) Fine…

1) http://www.mektonzeta.com/archive/activestealth.php

http://www.orange-road.com/mekton/stealth.html

Read those. It renders the fighter in which it is mounted invisible to all forms of non-visual detection.

The satellite and communication systems of NK noticed the launch from the aircraft carrier. Also, if you have mounted missile compartments, it effectively destroys the design of the plane to minimize the RCS.

One thing, you don’t know where they are at. It would take a lot of time to search the whole Dominion and the waterways of the Earth, to find my airship fleets.

Because the back of the formation has less people and they are scattered more. Also, hundreds can mean 2500... it doesn't have to mean only a couple hundred.

Oh…so if 2,500 were killed then post it as that. Not hundreds because it means one hundred to nine hundred ninety nine.

RAM melts at Mach 2 and are thereby worthless to your Mach 4.5 max fighters.

1) http://www.mektonzeta.com/archive/activestealth.php

http://www.orange-road.com/mekton/stealth.html

Read those. It renders the fighter in which it is mounted invisible to all forms of non-visual detection.

That is a crap response. They give no description to the system at all. All they say is, "It works. Nothing can see your fighter!"

One thing, you don’t know where they are at. It would take a lot of time to search the whole Dominion and the waterways of the Earth, to find my airship fleets.

We are at war... I do have sattelites... I would be watching you.


Oh…so if 2,500 were killed then post it as that. Not hundreds because it means one hundred to nine hundred ninety nine.

Umm... no. Hundreds, despite your narrow definition, does not end at 999. Think about it... people write twenty-five hundred, and as 2500 is not a large number of thousands, hundreds can be used to define the number.

Just like you wouldn't define 1200 as thousands, but rather hundreds.

Hey, is there still room for me to jump in? I know I was going to awhile ago, but...that never happened. And I need to get my RP juices flowing after such an extended abscence.

RAM melts at Mach 2 and are thereby worthless to your Mach 4.5 max fighters.


Hey, I’m not the one that designed the fighters. So, go post that pedant message somewhere else.

That is a crap response. They give no description to the system at all. All they say is, "It works. Nothing can see your fighter!"

The system is NOT mine. So, I search the damn web for some info on an Active Stealth System. Sorry, if those links did not help you.

We are at war... I do have satellites... I would be watching you.

I don’t think you have enough satellites to search everything I own. FYI on some OOC information, my airship fleet travel in thick cloud formation. So, they will be hidden in clouds.

Umm... no. Hundreds, despite your narrow definition, does not end at 999. Think about it... people write twenty-five hundred, and as 2500 is not a large number of thousands, hundreds can be used to define the number.

Just like you wouldn't define 1200 as thousands, but rather hundreds.

Whatever!

Transylvania, satellites can mount radar too. They don't just use cameras.

The hell with this, why attack the little one over the big one? I’m going back to delete those post about my bombing runs on you Neo. You are can be handle by the others. I’m going to get me a Kraven officer or officers.

@Axis Nova: I know but he would need a lot to find the fleet. The Dominion has total of 15,088,364.1 sq km. Plus, most of my airship fleet are in the air above the seas.

Could I potentially get involved, if possible, in a limited fashion - namely, sending in a commando force to rescue the people in the Kahanistan Conference? The deployment would have to take place soon to get everything in place; it would consist of the following (all unmarked and stripped of any means of identifying them or their origins):
12 MH-61 Lakota
200 commandos
2 C-5 Galaxy
4 M2 Andrew Lim
I'd need time to set up three small, secret airfields (like those that they tried to set up for Eagle Claw) for my troops and their charges to escape from (in the event of success.

Could I potentially get involved, if possible, in a limited fashion - namely, sending in a commando force to rescue the people in the Kahanistan Conference? The deployment would have to take place soon to get everything in place; it would consist of the following (all unmarked and stripped of any means of identifying them or their origins):
12 MH-61 Lakota
200 commandos
2 C-5 Galaxy
4 M2 Andrew Lim
I'd need time to set up three small, secret airfields (like those that they tried to set up for Eagle Claw) for my troops and their charges to escape from (in the event of success.

Any runway a C-5 can take off from will be neither small nor secret.

The C-5s will be deployed to any runways currently available near the Kahanistan capital; they can be lost, along with the tanks - which technically aren't ours, anyway; we're 'borrowing' them from General Dynamics. The MH-61s are the ones going to the secret airstrips...

I may attach a squadron of F-22s 'borrowed' from Lockheed to the C-5s as an escort. Kahanistan already uses C-5s and F-22s (those that I sold Kahanistan a while back), so it will be easier to explain the presence of C-5s and F-22s...
I'll probably land in northwest Kahanistan, as it seems the least affected so far; tankers will be based out of anyone close to there - probably Allanea.
Of course, this all assumes that I'm allowed to do this...

--Poke--

Kraven is still attacking Kahanistan?

I think so but Kraven has three or four other wars to deal with.

-ridiculous fighter-
Er, Transwolfy, PMT does not mean "Less important laws of physics will cease to apply after 2020". Nor does it mean "anything from science fiction videogames that doesn't involve starships and battle droids".

A fighter cannot fly at Mach 4.5 and be coated with RAM at the same time. It cannot be completely stealth if it expects to carry 7 LRAAMs, 8 SRAAMs and move at such speeds. (Besides that underwing pylons will be ripped off at such velocities.) No detail is provided on how the engines' heat signature is masked—are there blocks of ice mounted around the fuselage or something?—and the stats for the stealth system appear to come from a fantasy RPG. EDIT: Ok, so you use aerogel to cool the engines. What kind? How do you ensure it won't burn up during flight? and so on.

Basically, this looks painfully like a godmode to even my ignorant eyes. Such an issue should be raised with the designer of course, but still.

I'm not saying that other things don't look a bit godmoddish though either; that's just the most obvious one.

I want to point out something…THOSE POSTS ARE GONE! Sorry about that, I want to make sure everybody saw that. I’m not attacking Neo anymore, I delete my posts about it all.

One more thing, it is Trans or JWolf not Transwolfy.

Whoops, I hadn't seen the main thread.

One more thing, it is Trans or JWolf not Transwolfy.
I know, I couldn't decide which one I preferred, so I combined both... hence, Transwolfy. :D /flees/

Whoops, I hadn't seen the main thread.

Plus, I took those fighters out of my air force.

I know, I couldn't decide which one I preferred, so I combined both... hence, Transwolfy. :D /flees/

*Laughs as Czardas flees from me* :p

Plus, I took those fighters out of my air force.
Ah, ok. I'll just TG the creator of the fighters with my concern then.



*Laughs as Czardas flees from me* :p
Actually that was more of a joke... but meh.

I want to point out something…THOSE POSTS ARE GONE! Sorry about that, I want to make sure everybody saw that. I’m not attacking Neo anymore, I delete my posts about it all.

One more thing, it is Trans or JWolf not Transwolfy.

I guess my men will just revive...

Could I potentially get involved, if possible, in a limited fashion - namely, sending in a commando force to rescue the people in the Kahanistan Conference? The deployment would have to take place soon to get everything in place; it would consist of the following (all unmarked and stripped of any means of identifying them or their origins):
12 MH-61 Lakota
200 commandos
2 C-5 Galaxy
4 M2 Andrew Lim
I'd need time to set up three small, secret airfields (like those that they tried to set up for Eagle Claw) for my troops and their charges to escape from (in the event of success.

You could probably attempt to... though consequences of being found out could be quite... lethal.

I guess my men will just revive...

Yes, they can do that. All you have to do is to take the part about my bombers out of your posts. Easy to do. Plus, I did not kill that many of them.

After the artillery barrage against the Kravenites, a wing of AH-64 Apache gunships took off to survey the damage and, if necessary, finish off the invaders. They came loaded for bear, with Hellfire missiles and heavy machine guns to neutralize the Kravenite infantry and at the same time, a squadron of MiG-35's were being prepared for takeoff on the other side of the country, loaded down with cluster bombs and JDAM's in addition to their usual missile layout.

The Apaches moved very close in with the Kravenites, observing the damage and spotting targets that one of their strikes wouldn't destroy, such as Imperators or columns of Emperors. The only things they would be likely to engage themselves would be things like infantry concentrations or repair crews.

Is this targeted at me?!?

If so, note that your wing of Apaches would be destroyed well before they could get over the Kravenite lines. Also, there is no chance in hell that they would be 'finishing off the invaders'... there are millions.

You could probably attempt to... though consequences of being found out could be quite... lethal.
Hopefully, we won't even have to execute a rescue - as long as Kahanistan et al keep you from approaching the capital, our commandos get to spend a while in the desert doing nothing and you'll never know what happened. Second-best: we pull the delegates out before you hit the capital, and nobody finds out what happened. Third: we manage a successful rescue of the delegates without anyone knowing that the commandos involved were Beltway; this probably only occurs if our men avoid capture. Fourth: we fail to rescue all the delegates, but nobody knows it was us. Fifth: we successfully rescue the delegates, but some idiot reveals that we handled the rescue. Sixth: we successfully rescue the delegates, but a commando (or multiple commandos) are captured - whether or not you know it's us, prisoners would be bad. Last: we fail to rescue the delegates and it's clear that it was us; not only does it embarrass us publicly (like with Carter and Eagle Claw), but it also means that Kraven has a casus belli.
So, given the risks, why are we trying this? ICly, b/c it could bolster our reputation dramatically in the eyes of the nations that sent delegates; OOCly, b/c I wanted to try a combat rp w/o going to war, at least immediately...

Just realized this: in order to properly deploy my men, I'll need to include two more C-5s, three KC-10s (which will not land in Kahanistan), and twelve MH-75 helicopters. Total number of commandos deployed will remain the same; however, the changes were needed in order to carry the equipment (esp. for the tanks I'm bringing in to defend the airport and airfield) needed for the operation.

What sort of naval assets (all sides) are currently deployed off the Mediterranean coast of Kahanistan? I do have a few satellites, so this intel would be possible for me to know (imperfectly) ICly...

Is it possible to get to some sort of conclusion on how the first battle went? I mean, this has been going on for quite some time, but we're only hours into the fight.

Eh, maybe I'm just hoping Neo Kraven gets back online soon.

Is it possible to get to some sort of conclusion on how the first battle went? I mean, this has been going on for quite some time, but we're only hours into the fight.

Eh, maybe I'm just hoping Neo Kraven gets back online soon.

Really sorry guys, I have been busy with work.