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Full Name: The Most Christian Kingdom of Denmark

Head of State: King Frederick VII
Ruling Body: Folketing (Parliment of no more then 179 members)
Capital: Copenhagen

Relgion:
95% Lutheren
5% Roman Catholic/Other Protestant

Population:
1,800,000

Colonies and Holding:
Greenland
Iceland
The Farroe Islands


Army:

The total of trained regiments comes to about 60,000 which can be called up for service at any time. Also in times of crisis it is expected that up to 40,000 men shall come to serve in the Home Guard. Conscriptioned is applied in Denmark but is barely ever enforced. Most of the army has been modernizied and carries repeating rifles although if the Home Guard were called they would be filled with muzzle loading rifles.

Navy:

In recent wars with Germany, and even back to the Victory of Vice Admiral Nelson the Danish navy has been seriously crippled. The Danish Navy only maintains 6 battleships at this time.
DANMARK
ROLF KRAKE
PEDER SKRAM
DANNEBROG
ODIN
GORM

And only the 6 following for costal monitors.
GORM
Haakon
JYLLAND
(And 3 American ones)

It also only has a few Amoured steamers (Possibly called cruisers but I have no idea )available for service:
TORDENSKJOLD
DAGMAR
JYLLAND
HEIMDAL
SKJOLD
JYLLAND
SKIRNER
SLESVIG
THOR
HOLGER DANSKE
NIELS JUEL
Nyholm
SJÆLLAND
GEJSER
ÆGIRS
JÆLLAND
ABSALON
DIANA
ST. THOMAS
FYLLA


However the fleet still has many outdated frigates SOTL's guarding it's large shiping industry.

Economy:
Generaly good most agriculture has been switched in recent years to Dairy and pig farming. Grain is now much cheaper to import from the United States. Natural resources in the main body of Denmark are hard to come by. Salt and limestone are all that is exported from the area. In iceland and the Farroe Islands there is a little tin, but most of all there is whaling which makes the up the main portion of the Colonies enonomy. At the head of everything there is shipping. Copenhagen is a natural port and attrachs quite a large portion of Baltic trade to the growing economy.

Note: When posting on the economic thread I posted that Greenland had poor natural resources. This is a lie, there's a lot of gold, iron ore, platinum, diamonds ect. But it's hard to get to.


Agriculture: Good (Denmark & Virgin Islands) Poor (Greenland, Iceland, Faroe Islands)
Industry: Denmark (Good) Horrible (Greenland, Iceland, Faroe Islands Virgin Islands)
Natural Resources: Poor (Denmark) Moderate (Faroe Islands, Virgin Islands, Iceland) Very Good (Greenland)
Infastructure: Moderate (Denmark, Iceland) Poor (Greenland, Faroe, Virgin)
Trade: Very Good (Entire Baltic area, including Great Britan, U.S.A.
Currency Stability: Moderate
Labour Relations: Excellent (Labour party is in power)

OOC-More to come when I think of anything i've missed.

tag by your local Realism mod.

(1,784,700 as of 1870... by 1878 it was 1,940,000. A number in between there would probably hit your population pretty well. Denmark also controls a portion of the Virgin Islands as of 1872.)

OOC Thank you Koronado, very helpful.
Well then i'll start as I've seen some others have already.

IC

January 12th, 1872 Alborg Denmark:

Today marks the opening of the first Danish railroad between Alborg in the far north, and Sonderburg in the south.The railroad has been named the Royal Lion and is privately owned by a family from Nyholm. Royal Lion's first line now bisects the Danish mainland. Already Products from Alborg are being shipped down to be processed for foriegn shipment. Royal Lion announces if this line is a success another line shall be ran between Alborg and Himmerland.

Øst Våben Act

In a relization that the kingdom of Denmark is poorly defended against attacks coming up from the German border the Folketing gave order to build four forts along the border. The four forts, Véndenburg, Søderjylland, Fyn, and Viborg are to be spaced at intervels of 15 Km's on the 68 Km border with Germany. In the last war against Germany, Danish troops could not hold this key position because of the lack of barracks and proper fortifications, that shall be changed. The 10,000 man standing army is ordered to begin construction on the forts immediately. Hopefully they shall be done in early 1873.

The act also states that any ship wishing to pass through the tiny strait between Denmark and Sweden, which is Danish property, shall have to pay a penalty just as you would to enter a Danish port. Only ships above 40 meters most pay this. The fee so far is set at 20 Rigsdalers (About 5 Pounds) which to a cargo ship above 40 meters is nothing. The new force in charge of enforcing this is the first naval detachment of the Home Guard. Any ship that refuses to pay the few, it's cargo will be siezed and sold at auction. In exchange for the new fee all ports, except Copenhagen, on the eastren side of Denmark have had their port fee's removed. With this new charge the Danish crown hopes to fund an expedition to Greenland to look for the abundunt gold told of by early Saga's, that could never be found.

March 2nd 1872

Tragedy besets the Kingdom of Denmark as its King; Christian IX lies dead in a small town near Alborg. He was killed on his first ride on the new Danish rail line. Foul play is heavily expected as the lines were twisted away from the rest of the track. It was common knowledge that he would spend the week on his private estate near Alborg and return shortly before today. A more paranoid section of the populace believes that it was German agents that ripped up the track. This is unlikely as Christian, while a good king was weak in foreign affairs, and it would have been more advantageous for Germany to leave him on the throne. Along with his Majesty eight others died including the Count of Ribé who was a close advisor to the late King. He shall be remembered for failure in the Schleswig campaigns and his success in bring the country back from the brink after that disaster.

Méjéri Svåmp Act

Shortly after the death of King Christian IX the Folketing voted unanimously for the abdication of King Frederick VIII (The crown Prince). Since the coronation has not officially taken place this act is completely legal. The clause comes from old Saelic law, which Denmark still obeys it in matters of, the Royal succession. The crown is to be passed to King George I of Greece who is the second born son of Christian IX.

Along with the passing of the crown to the second born son the Folketing voted for the incorporation of Greece into the Danish Kingdom. It is expected that the Greek people will accept this merge as it will provide security it the turbulent Balkans, and from the Ottoman Empire. Ideally the new kingdom would be run like Austro-Hungary, in a dual monarchy. Both parliaments shall remain independent and rule each country by themselves. Special comities shall be formed to combat special issues that face the “Empire.” The Folketing sent off telegrams to the leading members of the Greek Council to introduce the issue as soon as possible. Citizens of Greece will be granted all the right of their Danish counterparts and reverse.

However a strong Royalist faction has sprung up in Denmark for the deposed Frederick, who fled to Iceland last week. Most people feel ecstatic about the merge, as it will boost the economy and security of both countries. 5,000 Members of the Home Guard have been called up in major cities to combat rioters, which have so far not appeared.

March 2nd 1872

Along with the passing of the crown to the second born son the Folketing voted for the incorporation of Greece into the Danish Kingdom. It is expected that the Greek people will accept this merge as it will provide security it the turbulent Balkans, and from the Ottoman Empire. Ideally the new kingdom would be run like Austro-Hungary, in a dual monarchy. Both parliaments shall remain independent and rule each country by themselves. Special comities shall be formed to combat special issues that face the “Empire.” The Folketing sent off telegrams to the leading members of the Greek Council to introduce the issue as soon as possible. Citizens of Greece will be granted all the right of their Danish counterparts and reverse.


OOC: Slow down my friend, first of all we the mods rp the NPC nations and Greece wouldn't join a far off Kingdom such as Dermark, Greeks are VERY nationalist..unless this is just all in name..it won't WORK, Greece is a competly different from Demark in many ways...the only reason Austrians manger to do it to Hungary why because, they rule it for over a 100 years and just force it down the on them... but for this case no it won't work...expect a the Greek army to rebel and don't ever rp NPC nations in this matter where you take them over or something..let the mods decide if they even would join. Now I'll let the mods rule on this.

Oh yeah Russia will object to this idea of having the Danish in "her" backyard .

OOC: What do the Danish and Greek people think about this new merger, and how will this be effectively RPed? Is it a unity in fact, or just unity on paper? How much power does the King of Denmark/Greece have in his respective Kingdoms?

Off the record though, brilliant move. I wish I'd thought of something like that... (Starts plotting ways to get President Grant offered the Mexican Presidency...)

OOC: Yes it is a brilliant move, but Russia still won't agree and let this pass by

IC: When news of the Danish Crown adding to itself the Greek Crown to its Dominion, this didn't sit well with Tsar Alexander II Nikolaevitch, he send a notice to King George I , stating he won't sit by and allow him to keep the Greek Crown and while being the King of Denmark, the letter states Russia will defend the right of Greece to be a free and independent state, it will not allow any other power to take away her freedom at any COST...by any mean necessary Russia will not allow this to happen, Russia demands you renounced the crown of Greece or the crown to Demark and renounced the tax you have in place on the shipping lanes, if you value our two nation relationship.

Øst Våben Act

In a relization that the kingdom of Denmark is poorly defended against attacks coming up from the German border the Folketing gave order to build four forts along the border. The four forts, Véndenburg, Søderjylland, Fyn, and Viborg are to be spaced at intervels of 15 Km's on the 68 Km border with Germany. In the last war against Germany, Danish troops could not hold this key position because of the lack of barracks and proper fortifications, that shall be changed. The 10,000 man standing army is ordered to begin construction on the forts immediately. Hopefully they shall be done in early 1873.

The act also states that any ship wishing to pass through the tiny strait between Denmark and Sweden, which is Danish property, shall have to pay a penalty just as you would to enter a Danish port. Only ships above 40 meters most pay this. The fee so far is set at 20 Rigsdalers (About 5 Pounds) which to a cargo ship above 40 meters is nothing. The new force in charge of enforcing this is the first naval detachment of the Home Guard. Any ship that refuses to pay the few, it's cargo will be siezed and sold at auction. In exchange for the new fee all ports, except Copenhagen, on the eastren side of Denmark have had their port fee's removed. With this new charge the Danish crown hopes to fund an expedition to Greenland to look for the abundunt gold told of by early Saga's, that could never be found.


IC: The British Ambassador to Denmark delivers a note to the Danish Foreign office politely reminding them that this tax will not include British Shipping.

OOC- Well I'll start here...Is it unity in fact, or unity on paper. How much power does the king of Denmark\Greece have in his respective kingdom.

Well probably unity on paper, Greece has had very bad experiences with the outside world. Think of it more i suppose as a mutual protection pact, that is unless mods decide that the Greeks welcome us with open arms...(Cough cough.) But I suppose If they knew what would happen in Rl history up till 1912 they'd sign over I think. As for the king both countries are constitutional Monarchies and George was nominated by the people in both countries. He's popular a excersises executive authority in both countries but still main power is not with him.

For Ottoman's reply:

If the Greeks were to join a kingdom the farther away the better right? I couldn't say what they'd do but now they share a king, a popular one at that.


IC:

To: His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty Tsar Alexander II
From: King George I of Greece & Denmark (Any ideas for a combo of those, anyone?)

I must unfortunately decline to renounce the crown of either of my domains. I am a rightly elected king of both countries the people have chosen me as their king in both countries. There is nothing more free then to chose one's offcials, in that manner I have served Greece well. Even if I did abdicate the crown would pass to my son Constantine.

Historical Note: George I was elected king, after Otto of Bavaria was deposed\died (not sure)

IC: The British Ambassador to Denmark delivers a note to the Danish Foreign office politely reminding them that this tax will not include British Shipping.

The Danish Minister of the Interior looked over the note sometime later and replied "To a large company what is five Pounds. We must pay to enter British ports, now you must pay to enter Danish waters. However we are flexible, ships directly on Government business can pass through unheeded. Perhaps later to special allies, who of course "support" us shall be granted free shipping rights to the area."

OOC It's all coming togeather (Twidles thin waxed mustache)

To: King George I of Denmark
From: Tsar Alexander II

I will not drop this issue, unless you abdicate the crown of Greece to to your son Constantine and declare him the King of Greece only, then we will drop this mater..Russia will not allow this union to happen nor would Russia stand for this tax on her shipping we demand this tax to be dropped, Greece will remain free or Russia will be force to take action to make sure Greece is free...you have the choice for a peaceful solution or a solution of action, it is up to you.

The Danish Minister of the Interior looked over the note sometime later and replied "To a large company what is five Pounds. We must pay to enter British ports, now you must pay to enter Danish waters. However we are flexible, ships directly on Government business can pass through unheeded. Perhaps later to special allies, who of course "support" us shall be granted free shipping rights to the area."

OOC It's all coming togeather (Twidles thin waxed mustache)


OOC:its the principle of freedom of the seas.

IC: Another Note is delivered stating that Britain does not recognize the Danish Right to tax any ship with a British Flag, and will instruct all shipping that they will under no circumstances pay a fee to use what Britian considers an International Waterway. Far too much trade is conducted with Sweden, Russia, and Germany for the British Government to allow any restriction or tax of movement.

To: King George I of Denmark
From: Tsar Alexander II

I will not drop this issue, unless you abdicate the crown of Greece to to your son Constantine and declare him the King of Greece only, then we will drop this mater..Russia will not allow this union to happen nor would Russia stand for this tax on her shipping we demand this tax to be dropped, Greece will remain free or Russia will be force to take action to make sure Greece is free...you have the choice for a peaceful solution or a solution of action, it is up to you.

I'm afraid the people of Greece will probably not except my son this early (He's still very young) it would be catastrophe to be ruled by someone... So inexperiencied. Neither will I consider dropping the ancient laws that have so far ruled Denmark. To the second matter of shipping Russia has more then one port and those waters were recognized as Danish waters in the London Protocal, which of course my father's predecesor broke, but that does not cancel it. We are flexible and if you drop the matter of Greece your ships will be allowed access through the strait as allies of Greece and Denmark.

OOC:its the principle of freedom of the seas.

IC: Another Note is delivered stating that Britain does not recognize the Danish Right to tax any ship with a British Flag, and will instruct all shipping that they will under no circumstances pay a fee to use what Britian considers an International Waterway. Far too much trade is conducted with Sweden, Russia, and Germany for the British Government to allow any restriction or tax of movement.

Again we are only allowed to offer the British ships on government business be allowed to pass for free. If we could obtain your cooperation in our claim to the Greek throne then I'm sure matters can be resolved. Until then any ship that refuses to pay shall be boarded and it's cargo siezed for the Danish Government. Anyone that resists from there will be arrested for spying and their entire ship siezed. These are Danish waters and to pass through them will land you on Danish territory.

Again we are only allowed to offer the British ships on government business be allowed to pass for free. If we could obtain your cooperation in our claim to the Greek throne then I'm sure matters can be resolved. Until then any ship that refuses to pay shall be boarded and it's cargo siezed for the Danish Government. Anyone that resists from there will be arrested for spying and their entire ship siezed. These are Danish waters and to pass through them will land you on Danish territory.


OOC: I don't blink

IC: If your government insists on this matter, The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland will declare a blockade on all Danish ports and any ship that seizes a British Merchant Vessel will be captured and tried for Piracy.
The Current Greek Throne Situation is not a concern of Her Majesty's government and we will take no stance on this issue. If you contiue to insist on this coercision, we will be forced to act.

Tsar Alexander II, had enough of the Danish, and their dead set mindset on Greece. He order an blockade on all Danish ports, he order the Imperial Russian Fleet, Russia will not left this blockade unless the Danish back off on Greece Thone.

Imperial 1st Russian Fleet under the command of Admiral Ivan Furugelm,is compose of following ships

Piotr Velikiy / Kreiser / Barrikada (Piotr Velikiy Class)

Novgorod(Novgorod Class)

Sevastopol broadside ironclad

Petropavlovsk broadside ironclad

Pervenetz (Ironclad)
Kreml (Ironclad)
Netron Menya (Ironclad)
Kniaz Pojarski central battery ship(Ironclad)
Minin turret ship(Ironclad)

The US government quietly suggests to it's major trading companies to procure British flags of convienience for any vessels that trade in the Baltic.

The US government openly drafts a letter to the Danish government professing full US compliance with reguards to the new fee.

Sweden supports Denmark and Greece's unity, and reminds the nations of the world, that they can always sail through Sweden's half of the streight without incuring any sort of toll.

OOC: Compromise time

IC: Queen Victoria advises the Danish king to abdicate in favor of Alfred, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, that will solve several problems. He will not lose the Greek Throne, and Denmark will gain a valuable Allie. And there will be no need for a war over 5 pounds.

What this means OOC:

Waldenburg 2, you still retain full control of Denmark and Denmark gains an alliance with Britain, and Greece gains a very favorable relationship.

Upon hearing the news of recent disturbances in Europe, Emperor Pedro II orders that three ships be dispatched, two for Danish ports and one for Greece. Each ship carries a handful of soldiers, plus a heavy load of supplies, and is ordered to avoid any confrontation with any navy for any reason.

OOC: Really?

Upon hearing the news of recent disturbances in Europe, Emperor Pedro II orders that three ships be dispatched, two for Danish ports and one for Greece. Each ship carries a handful of soldiers, plus a heavy load of supplies, and is ordered to avoid any confrontation with any navy for any reason.


OOC: Are you Fricking Kidding me?

King William reminds the nations of Europe that such an instance like this occurred not 4 years ago and caused the balance of power to shift dramatically. He hopes that all parties involved will remain cool.

Also, reports of decreased trade to the Baltic have occurred, but the local government blames it on the increase in interest in Africa.

http://www.chatzy.com/451609035135

Chatzy anyone?

OOC- Sorry about not posting but Easter dinner and such. Secondly the strait is only 2.5 miles wide there is no Swedish side, Historically it's all Denmark's but just how far can our cannons accurately shoot eh? Well what follows could be very ugly with Russia and England against me.

IC

From: The Throne of King George I of Denmark and Greece

I will not compromise on my accension to the Danish throne, it was done fully legally by the Danish people. I shall not abandon either country. As for shipping rights they shall not be abandon either except to the countries that realieze the insignifigance of 5 Pounds and accept the Soveriegnty of the new Danish-Greek Kingdom. Britan's Compromise is not acceptable, and we shall not bend. The only nations that are free from this ban are those who have reliezed that this union will only bring prosperity. Only the U.S, Sweden, and Brazill are free from the Tariff so far. In response to the Blockade by Britain and Russia, any ship inside territorial waters of Denmark of those nationalities shall be boarded or sunk immediately.


OOC Did I win the staring Contest?

OOC- Sorry about not posting but Easter dinner and such. Secondly the strait is only 2.5 miles wide there is no Swedish side, Historically it's all Denmark's but just how far can our cannons accurately shoot eh? Well what follows could be very ugly with Russia and England against me.

IC

From: The Throne of King George I of Denmark and Greece

I will not compromise on my accension to the Danish throne, it was done fully legally by the Danish people. I shall not abandon either country. As for shipping rights they shall not be abandon either except to the countries that realieze the insignifigance of 5 Pounds and accept the Soveriegnty of the new Danish-Greek Kingdom. Britan's Compromise is not acceptable, and we shall not bend. The only nations that are free from this ban are those who have reliezed that this union will only bring prosperity. Only the U.S, Sweden, and Brazill are free from the Tariff so far. In response to the Blockade by Britain and Russia, any ship inside territorial waters of Denmark of those nationalities shall be boarded or sunk immediately.


OOC Did I win the staring Contest?

IC: Her Majesty's government would like to inform the Kingdom of Denmark and Greece that a State of war now exists between our two nations.

Tsar Alexander II of the Russian Empire here by declares war on Kingdom of Denmark, and orders all his ships to sink any Danish ships they sight.

OOC-Clan Council is there a map of you colonies about I should like an accurate one of the world. There might be one al ready but I haven't seen one.

IC-

March 6th 1872 (just wanted a date)
Denmark declares war on Britain and Russia (This won't last long.) Full mobilization in all colonies and at home.Telegrams will be sent to other nations asking for assistance in the matter.

OOC-Clan Council is there a map of you colonies about I should like an accurate one of the world. There might be one al ready but I haven't seen one.

IC-

March 6th 1872 (just wanted a date)
Denmark declares war on Britain and Russia (This won't last long.) Full mobilization in all colonies and at home.Telegrams will be sent to other nations asking for assistance in the matter.


Dude if you have AIM or MSN you need to get on now.


wayno838 (AIM)
vbeachjapan@hotmail.com (MSN)


we seriously need to talk.

Forces will be dispatched to the Danish Virgin Islands, Iceland and Greenland to seize those territories for Her Majesty Queen Victoria.


All Danish merchant vessels will be sunk in accordance with the Rules of War.

All Danish Naval vessels will be sunk on sight without warning.

No ships of any nationality are to enter or exit Danish Ports.

All Danish Assets in British Banks will be seized

All Danish Vessels in British Ports shall be seized

A British Expeditionary Force is to be Organized

All Vessels of Greek Flags shall be sunk in accordance with the Rules of War.

All Greek ports shall blockaded preventing the Entry and Exit of ships regardless of nationality

All Greek assets in British Banks shall be seized

All Greek Vessels in British Ports shall be seized.

BTW, all combat will be handled through the war moderators.

Dude if you have AIM or MSN you need to get on now.


wayno838 (AIM)
vbeachjapan@hotmail.com (MSN)


we seriously need to talk.

i'm afraid i have niether, sorry

i'm afraid i have niether, sorry

well there is a link to our chatzy, and I have Xfire and Yahoo messenger as well.

King William declares the Netherlands' neutrality while at the same time calls for peace and offers the Hague as a place to mediate the conflict.

Chatzy's fine i'll go there now.

OOC- Just a note no one acctually intends to invade Greenland. 1. It obiously freezing your soldiers would not last long unless you had a special Artic division. All towns are shealtered, no naval bombardment. 3. The citizens are fiercly loyal they wouldn't stay there otherwise(Mostly because Denmark never bothers to tax them or show any interest what so ever.

IC: In Greece thousands of weapons are being handed out to the Vetern gureillia fighters of Greece. The navy has also been ordered to sieze British and Russian ships in the area.

I just saw your signature Waldenburg.


I love Black Adder's IV


Anyway, i'm back from Easter dinner now.

Shall we proceed then to the chatzy (he..he)

OOC- Just a note no one acctually intends to invade Greenland. 1. It obiously freezing your soldiers would not last long unless you had a special Artic division. All towns are shealtered, no naval bombardment. 3. The citizens are fiercly loyal they wouldn't stay there otherwise(Mostly because Denmark never bothers to tax them or show any interest what so ever.

IC: In Greece thousands of weapons are being handed out to the Vetern gureillia fighters of Greece. The navy has also been ordered to sieze British and Russian ships in the area.



OOC:I have Canadians, and i'm not sure how much their shelter would be to a 900-1200lb shell.

And britain would take a very hands off view of them in the colony sense. Probably the same way, just as long as the Union Jack is flying.

March 10th, 1872

TO: Copenhagen, Denmark
FROM: Ottawa, Canada

To His Majesty, the King of Denmark and Deputies of the Danish Parliament:

In response to the agressive and belligerent actions on the part of the Danish Government, the Dominion of Canada, in accordance with the wishes of Her Most Imperious Majesty, Queen Victoria I of Great Britain, now offically declares a state of open war between herself and the Kingdom of Denmark.

Furthermore, all those actively aiding and/or abetting the Danish cause will from this moment onward be declared enemies of the state and prosecuted through the full might of Her Majesty's Canadian Armed Services.

May the Gods have mercy upon you.

Signed,

John Young, 1st Baron of Lisgar
Governor-General of the Dominion

Sir John A. MacDonald
Prime Minister of Parliament

This should be an interesting fight...

OOC Good point. But still there is a large amount of shelter, against wind, polar bears, the occasional heavy shell. if someone were serious about it yes it would go down, but for what.

IC:
Volunteers are being called up in Greece to fight with the professional army. Cities are already begining to stockpile supplies, they will not give up their freedom more then once a week. Calls are also going out through other Balkin areas for Volunteers to fight for their freedom, mostly from Thessaly and Macedonia.

The Danish Army and Danish Navy commanders realize a war against the British and Russian Empire would lead to the death of their Kingdom and a great loss of Danish lives. After days of heavy debating between the commanders, they decide to tell the King the following in this letter

1. Accept the peace terms with Russians and British
2. Renounce the claim to Danish Throne for the good of Danish People
3. If you do not back down...we will be force to mutiny and overthrew you for the stake of the nation.
4. You have 24 hours to decide…this is for the good of the Danish People.

OOC: Note the leadership is willing to fight, but the arm forces know better, and know who they are facing.

George sat heavily in his desk he thought they would have backed down, he thought he was more brilliant then the other Crowns of Europe, perhaps he was they just used war. A week before when he palmed money over to a Royal Lion Engineer he had been rosey cheeked and happy, he could have ruled. Now he sat in the airy palace on the sea as Battlions drilled below him. Now he looked pale his armies betrayed him the world hated him. He ordered a messenger into the room, and took a message to his armies in the field.

[Abdication in process of danish throne]Stop [All armies stand down ] Stop [God save us all] Full Stop. Obviously the king did not want to waste money on his farewell speech to the nation. Now Denamrk would have to find a new King
that would be hard as It had few hiers that weren't disowned, dead or to young. It wasn't his problem anymore, not now.

A day the Folketing voted for the repel of the unpopular shipping tax. It also sent a letter to Great Britain and Russia asking for terms.

OOC: i'm putting extra terms in there, but feel free to say no to them, all i'm asking you to do is what we discussed in Chatzy.

I. Return of Assets seized from the British Government by Danish/Greek Forces
II. Abdication of the Danish Throne
III. Guarentee no tax shall be placed on the waterway that has been discussed
IV. Guarentee that no fortifications be constructed near that waterway and that not Field or Coastal Artillery be within a 20 mile area.
V. Sale of Danish Virgin Islands for a price of 80 Million Pounds Sterling(barter with me)
VI. The Coronation of Prince Alfred as King of Denmark
VII. A Permanent Alliance with the British Empire
VIII. The right of any British Ship to enter any Danish Port without paying Penalties
IX. Standing down of all forces.
X. All Danish warships to return to Port for inspection by Royal Navy Officers

The Russian Peace terms are the following

I. Return of Assets seized from the Russian Government by Danish/Greek Forces
II.A Permanent Non-Aggression Pact with the Russian Empire
III. Guarentee no tax shall be placed on the waterway that has been discussed
IV. The Kingdoms of Denmark and the Kingdoms of Greece shall never enter a union ever again
V. Guarentee that no fortifications be constructed near that waterway and that not Field or Coastal Artillery be within a 20 mile area.

OOC: Some of the terms are the same as the British.

The Members of Folketing looked uneasily at one another if they were even to start to comply Denmark would be reshaped, but they began.

Term I Acceptable
Term II Acceptable
Term III Acceptable
Term IV No new ones Acceptable
Term V Not Acceptable 170 Million minimum
Term VI Unacceptable: We will not accept a foriegn King, however we shall allow ten provisionary Members in the Folketing repersenting British will until the next elecion (6 Years)
Term VII Acceptable
Term VIII Acceptable: except for Greenland, Iceland, and the Faroe's for record keeping purposes.)
Term XI Acceptable
Term X Acceptable

They sighed now what would be Russian terms.

EDIT: Done

The Members of Folketing looked uneasily at one another if they were even to start to comply Denmark would be reshaped, but they began.

Term I Acceptable
Term II Acceptable
Term III Acceptable
Term IV No new ones Acceptable
Term V Not Acceptable 100 Million minimum
Term VI Unacceptable: We will not accept a foriegn King, however we shall allow ten provisionary Members in the Folketing repersenting British will until the next elecion (6 Years)
Term VII Acceptable
Term VIII Acceptable: except for Greenland, Iceland, and the Faroe's for record keeping purposes.)
Term XI Acceptable
Term X Acceptable

They sighed now what would be Russian terms.


OOC: My advise is to ask like 150 or 180 Mill, and i'll work us to 120 like the agreed upon price.



;-)

Soon after the Russian's arrived this time to a happier crowd

Term I Acceptable
Term II Acceptable
Term III Acceptable
Term IV Acceptable (No new fortifications)
Term V Acceptable (under the clause that citizens already granted Dual citizenship be allowed to keep in for tax reasons)

God Save us all George was right

100 million Pounds Sterling.

We aren't completely hopeless 150 Million Pounds for the Islands.

Must sign off for the night now.

We aren't completely hopeless 150 Million Pounds for the Islands.

Must sign off for the night now.

120 Million Pounds Sterling, our final offer, or we'll take the Islands ourselves.

Well that seems fair...For the price of 120 million Pounds Sterling the Virgin Islands change control from Denmark to Great Britain. The Loyal population of the island are expected to pay for transport back to Denmark where they shall be reinbursed and offered a new oppertunity.

Signed:
His Majesty King George II of Denmark (Can't for get him forever.)

Virgin Relocation Act Has Been Repealed

Virgin Relocation Act (Please don't laugh)

With the purchase of Libya settelers recently moved from the Virgian Islands shall find a home in Libya. The 30,000 or so settelers who decided to move to Libya have been granted land already and special privelages. Along with the islanders 1,000,000 Pounds are being sent to set up a colonial government under the Earl of Zeeland. With him will come 6 Armoured steam Cruisers (Once the English are done) and 3,000 Danish Soldiers to enforce Demark's will. The Capital shall of course be Tripoli.
Wait...what? The Ottomans confirm this deal already...where I am confuse..

OOC Oh yes, your right it was the Italians that posted now that I come to read the name, rather ominous sounding post, so perhaps:
"La France en vie longue. Merci pour la distraction!"

Never mind Virgin act, at least for now

Virgin Relocation Act (Please don't laugh)

With the purchase of Libya settelers recently moved from the Virgian Islands shall find a home in Libya. The 30,000 or so settelers who decided to move to Libya have been granted land already and special privelages. Along with the islanders 1,000,000 Pounds are being sent to set up a colonial government under the Earl of Zeeland. With him will come 6 Armoured steam Cruisers (Once the English are done) and 3,000 Danish Soldiers to enforce Demark's will. The Capital shall of course be Tripoli.
Also only 4,000 of the people in the Virgin Islands decide to leave then to live under British Rule, and the others could care less who rules them.

OOC Thought no one would notice me draining the entire population... The 4,000 that did leave are now being called back to Denmark as we are no longer buying Libya as stated in Ottoman thread

The Danish Minister of Foriegn affairs looked at the massive piles of letters swamping his desk. Some of them would surely be saying that Denmark was the ass-end of the world and should be wiped from the earth. He began reluctantly digging in to responses to Denmarks short lived war. He came to several letters sent by The English government. He opened the first one, surrender statements, second a promise for 120 Million Pounds. He started to shake Denmark was willing to lose as many wars as it had to for that amount of money. With some forsought he decided not to quickly rush off and buy Libya, although his superiors might. He sent a polite note down to the English Consulate, asking if they wanted back enough money to purchase roughly 1 million square miles of land. For some reason they did, and today the Danish Government wired back IOU's worth 108 Million Pounds to Great Britain.

OOC In short money returned Ic'ly

Jørdbaer Verden Act

January 18, 1873

Four ships departed Copenhagen today with the rather slured blessing of the 72 year old King George II. Their destination has been marked as Greenland, and their mission is to finally find and exploit the minerals of the ancient land. With them they bring news from Denmark and luxuries never had in Greenland before. About half of the funds for this expedition have been funded by private parties, another 50% have been provided by the Governer of Iceland. Surveyors have been ordered inland just a little bit more from the coast then ever traveled before. Before this day only small mines have operated along the coast gathering rather unneccesary resources such as tin. Inland they hope to fine Gold, silver and hopefully coal(And platinum).

In accordance with the name economics in Denmark will also change dramatically. Only one railroad operates currently in Denmark and is generally ignored since the Death of Christian IX. Now there will be three more railroads one on the island of Zeeland, one from Thy to Sounderborg, and the last from Himmerland to Ribe.

The last clause states that the large amount of patroleumin Denmark shall be put to good use. Engineers and scientists have been called in from around the world who are considered luminaries in the field gas. So far only small amounts have be taken up for street lamps in larger cities. The projects will include transforming a steamer to burn the oil which would be cheaper to produce then coal imported in.

Jørdbaer Verden Act

January 18, 1873

Four ships departed Copenhagen today with the rather slured blessing of the 72 year old King George II. Their destination has been marked as Greenland, and their mission is to finally find and exploit the minerals of the ancient land. With them they bring news from Denmark and luxuries never had in Greenland before. About half of the funds for this expedition have been funded by private parties, another 50% have been provided by the Governer of Iceland. Surveyors have been ordered inland just a little bit more from the coast then ever traveled before. Before this day only small mines have operated along the coast gathering rather unneccesary resources such as tin. Inland they hope to fine Gold, silver and hopefully coal(And platinum).

In accordance with the name economics in Denmark will also change dramatically. Only one railroad operates currently in Denmark and is generally ignored since the Death of Christian IX. Now there will be three more railroads one on the island of Zeeland, one from Thy to Sounderborg, and the last from Himmerland to Ribe.

The last clause states that the large amount of patroleumin Denmark shall be put to good use. Engineers and scientists have been called in from around the world who are considered luminaries in the field gas. So far only small amounts have be taken up for street lamps in larger cities. The projects will include transforming a steamer to burn the oil which would be cheaper to produce then coal imported in.

Going from Coal to Oil a bit early... Talk to Ottomans about this.

Going from Coal to Oil a bit early... Talk to Ottomans about this.
Aye a bit early for such things...wait intill 1890 or so for that stuff.

OOC I'm not converting my entire fleet, it's only Reserch into burning a much cheaper fuel. Niether am I saying it's going to work anytime soon but when oil becomes more popular, Denmark will already be experimenting with it for a while, and hopefully have a reserve.

March 30, 1873

Revolution is being called through the streets of Copenhagen. Frederick, who was passed over for the crown by George I, has raised a revolution in the Faroe Islands. After he had himself crowned by a local Priest on the islands, the revolutionary fever has spread through the Kingdom. The Folketing ordered the navy to be sent out and crush the Revolt, but so far not one captain has moved. Rioters, already angry with new evidence that George I betrayed them and the Danish governments inability, have taken to the streets. Citizens have gone so far as to storm a Loyal cruiser in Copenhagen harbour, no one was hurt strangely. The army has also lacked a certain drive in the last days, they have put down riots, but half hartedly, if there is to be revolution then Frederick will take the throne through a sea of Danish blood. So far most of the larger cities and navy have agreed with Frederick while the army and villages are split.

Several telegrams have been captured by Loyal Danes giving extreme worry to King George II that Frederick shall be on his way to Denmark shortly. Some members of the ruling party have already fled the country. Others still give orders that the navy shall mobilize and crush the enemy.

Before that however a group of Military police have already arrested George I, and are holding him on charges of Treason and Regocide. he will be lucky if he is hanged before Frederick arrives.

OOC- I would wait till tommorow but I won't be on so here it is now.

April 15, 1873

IC-Steamers encircled Copenhagen Harbour, there had been mild exchanges of fire but so far it mostly was just vexing to George II and his Loyalists. On the other side of Monarchy was Frederick VII who in comparison dressed in simple military uniform and would stab you with a Quill, or dagger..which ever costed less.

"I want this done properly, Or aim is not to slaughter every citizen in the city... that would take to long, no our goal is to indear them to us. Make it as if without us they are only so much dust in the wind." Frederick always spoke slowly picking his words with care. Especially now onboard the Danish ship JYLLAND sitting beside his "Close" Admirals. "Niether can we execute that Damned Labour party." He looked up some Admirals were frowing as not killing liberal party members was a bad thing. "Oh, some of them might just die, but none will be killed."

An admiral tentativly leaned forward, "What of the George's, shall we have them certainly not be killed?"

Frederick smiled, they were so easy to lead, "Everything shall fall into place, let your king deal with them. May I remind you that there will be um.. vacancies in certain titles due to traitors selling or Nationlity to Greece." The Admirals brightened up at this.

"You have your orders let us Now order the ranks, and fling wide the banners, for our souls are God's and our bodies the king's, and our swords for Denmark and the King."

The officers looked a little confused but cheered on basic princable and ran to their longboats to be carried back across the silent water to their waiting Gunboats and marines. Within minutes the first ships landed to minimal resistance, and even that was dealt with quickly. More ships landed and suddenly the night was quiet no longer as the sounds of many rifles filled the air. Frederick took his bright, but above all hard helmet and landed with his troops, quarter would be given and Denmark's first Rebellion would be a marginally polite one.

OOC So much for not being here

April 16 1873

Reseistance had dried up as soon as another Division pledged itself to Frederick .Now the Royalist controlled all of Denmark but the Palace and the Channcelory in the heart of Copenhagen. Only a few disheartened guards remain around the now terrified King George and his ministers. Even though the Loyalists were few they held the high ground and no one even mentioned an assualt, they would in about 5 days run out of food. Frederick could wait and plan his next plan a few moves.

April 20, 1873

The Palace soon ran out of supplies and surrendered to the Danish Royal army. Frederick VII entered and forgave the labour party and the King Georges, however the entire Labour party has stepped aside as Frederick entered the Capital. Now the ruling body of Denmark consisted of 59 members mostly called the Expansionist party. Quarter has been given to Loyalist soldiers who pledge their allegience to the Danish crown. Very few people were killed in Denmark's first Revolution, only 315 soldiers and 45 citizens were killed in light street fighting. For the moment Frederick has complete power of the country and acts as dictator.

Jåle Cøntainin Act of 1873

The name of the act refers to internal power and Frederick has achieved internal power. First among the act passed by the Expansionist party, four new "Bombardment" ships are being renivated from old SOTL's. Denmarks plans on being very proud of these new ships. They come armed with 4, 13'' mortars 8, 300 Pound Parrots, and 24 60 Pound cannons each. The construction has begun already and they shall be in the water by mid-1874. Also companies around the world have been contacted to purchase the new Automatic machine guns to be placed in every Regiment.

Secondly the Expansionist party takes full power of the Folketing as most of the other members step down. They call for a massive modernization of the Home Guard, which has long been neglected. Today the New minister of War said "We shall bring Denmark into the world as a power, through military might and the Grace of our new King."

OOC: Only fully Automatic weapon at the moment is the US Gatling Gun.

just FYI.

OOC: Only fully Automatic weapon at the moment is the US Gatling Gun.

just FYI.

Not true, there's the French Mitrailleuse, that's not fully automatic, but in theroy could fire as many rounds per minute. But that fails half the time anyway, so your probably right stick to the Gatling. I just didn't purchase them yet.

Not true, there's the French Mitrailleuse, that's not fully automatic, but in theroy could fire as many rounds per minute. But that fails half the time anyway, so your probably right stick to the Gatling. I just didn't purchase them yet.


The Milatrouse is not very different than a Canister style direct Firect Artillery Piece, And I consider something self-reloading, Automatic. Though the Miltrailleuse has a high rate of fire, its not self reloading and its an altogether ineffective and worthless design. And besides i said AUTOMATIC so why are we even arguing about this, LOL.

To: Danish Naval Ministry
From: British Foreign office



It has come to our Attention that you are interested in our New Torpedo Boat Design. We have been authorized to sell to you 5 of this design for 35,000 Pounds Sterling apiece.

The Danish Government accepts the British offer, and will pay 175,000 Pounds for the 5 torpedo boats.

The Danish Government accepts the British offer, and will pay 175,000 Pounds for the 5 torpedo boats.


Expect Delivery sometime around June of this year.

Admiral Kiefring knew his plans very well, he went over them multiple times with Frederick. It wasn't that much of an original plan, but it would work and it would make Denmark at least twice as powerful. He snapped out of his daydream to see the steamer pulling away from Copenhagen harbour it was time to start.

Days before members of the former labour party had tried to overthrow the King is a well planned coup, it failed. Frederick VII had been hoping for something like this for weeks the perfect oppertunity. In a burst of graciousness Frederick pardon the traitors, but insisted that they be removed to Greenland where they could not cause trouble. This sounded a fair and open minded compromise to the country and the the Labour party. Now they all sat with their families on a steamer pulling out of Copenhagen harbour.

"Not yet, were to far off put a little more coal on," Kiefring said to a Cadet as his Merchant marine began to catch up with the Political steamer. At first glance it looked like a Normal Merchant Mariner, long sleek desogn cannon on the back. If you had gotten past the gaurds that had the ship under lock and key you might have noticed, the two torpedo clamped 25 meters in front of the ship. The thing you noticed most about it is that it flew the Swedish flag. The plan was, to as soon as the torpedoes exploded the spars would be pushed out of a specially made chamber, so the ship could move ahead faster. It took along time to gain on the ship and the two ships were nearly out of the harbour when the Merchant Mariner caught up with steamer. The longer spars gave it a disadvantage in speed, but the two ships finally met and the explosion rang about the harbour. What was left of the spars were pushed out, and the Merchant veered far to the starboard towards Sweden. Monitors caught on after some long-shots from costal batteries.

A rear cannon on the ship began to load and fire blind shots behind it. The flaming wreckage of the Danish steamer blocked quite a large amount of the narrow channel. The Admiral looked behind him at the flaming wreckage and defence ships steaming after him. He thought how easily people could be led. Another, more troubling thought came up, would anyone else in the world believe this that the Swedish sank a freindly governmental party. It didn't matter, Denmark would be convinced, and they'd be angry. The ship steamed away, it would be caught soon later but it would be by a cruiser under Frederick's direct command and would only fuel the flames of war.


Frederick's war started on his terms without the Swedish even knowing.

OOC: Right that's the war sorted. So how does this war thing work exactly.

Admiral Kiefring knew his plans very well, he went over them multiple times with Frederick. It wasn't that much of an original plan, but it would work and it would make Denmark at least twice as powerful. He snapped out of his daydream to see the steamer pulling away from Copenhagen harbour it was time to start.

Days before members of the former labour party had tried to overthrow the King is a well planned coup, it failed. Frederick VII had been hoping for something like this for weeks the perfect oppertunity. In a burst of graciousness Frederick pardon the traitors, but insisted that they be removed to Greenland where they could not cause trouble. This sounded a fair and open minded compromise to the country and the the Labour party. Now they all sat with their families on a steamer pulling out of Copenhagen harbour.

"Not yet were to far off put a little more coal on," Kiefring said to a Cadet as his Merchant marine began to catch up with the Political steamer. At first glance it looked like a Normal Merchant Mariner, long sleek desogn cannon on the back. If you had gotten past the gaurds that had the ship under lock and key you might have noticed, the two torpedo wholes cut into the front of the ship. The thing you noticed most about it is that it flew the Swedish flag. Finally it was time thought the admiral and gave complicated orders to fire the torpedoes. After only seconds they began to streak through the water barely missing trawlers and coal oilers. They hit. They exploded. One after another they smashed into the aft of the ship blowing most of the cabins away and giving just enough power to blow the boilers. "Right half done let's get on with it.

Things moved sluggishly the Merchant mariner cut ahead of advancing Defense ships that now nearly circled the wreck. "That should be ahead of the guns and well, if not we surrender." Crewmen began to busy themselves near the cannon at the rear to late did a young Danish officer look that way and saw the Swedish crew loading their weapon. Another flash over Copenhagen and a 60 pound shell connected with the front of the sinking steamer. To late also had shore guns turned to fire the Merchant mnariner had slipped away, although the navy followed they were already 20 minutes behind the Faster Swedish ship.

Frederick's war started on his terms without the Swedish even knowing.

OOC: Right that's the war sorted. So how does this war thing work exactly.
All right, this is the OOC Signup thread for a 1872 RP. You pick a country and play it either historically or you can deviate some, but try to keep it reasonable. Note this takes place after the Franco Prussian War and everything that happen before 1872 has happen according to the books...meaning no freakin CSA winning the Civil War...its been overdone so many times..its not funny..


Time.
Our Time scale is one week equal one year. But during wars depending on the size of the war, it will be slow down a bit.

Current Year: 1874

War.
War is conducted by one of the war moderators, whenever you enter into a conflict you send orders and troop sizes and general objectives to the War mod and he'll RP out the battle.




*cough*

OOC That wasn't quite the question I was looking for an answer to but close enough. As I assume you are the only War Moderater really active at this point, expect a telegram soon.

Disturbed by the going-ons to the North, Germany mobilizes four Corps of regular army troops along the Danish border with another corp put into reserve. The grand total is 120,000 men.

Self Propelled Torpedo's don't exist yet.


Your Torpedo Boats use whats known as a Spar Torpedo, like Confederate David Submarines of the American Civil War.

Your boats will be modified in a couple of years to LAUNCH Torpedos.

Self Propelled Torpedo's don't exist yet.


Your Torpedo Boats use whats known as a Spar Torpedo, like Confederate David Submarines of the American Civil War.

Your boats will be modified in a couple of years to LAUNCH Torpedos.

Actually, this one I know. The Minenschiff was the first locomotive torpedo built in, I believe 1868. They're extremely impractical in battle as they can only travel about 7 knots, but in a harbour before steam can be built up they're perfect.

The Austro-Hungarians have them.


They were designed by a Croation, and weren't licensed out until 1876-1877 To Britain First.


So again, you don't have the torpedo.

OOC Yes, but a private company owned the rights, and personally I don't know what can't be bought for a lot of cash. The main point is they exsist. I'm only arguing so I don't have to edit, I'd do the same thing and possibly spar torpedoes would help it along but it's the same concept.

OOC Yes, but a private company owned the rights, and personally I don't know what can't be bought for a lot of cash. The main point is they exsist. I'm only arguing so I don't have to edit, I'd do the same thing and possibly spar torpedoes would help it along but it's the same concept.


Listen, it was presented to Austro-Hungary, by this private company. Unless you ROLEPLAYED that you acquired Locomotive torpedo's then, you don't have them.


My Ruling stands and is FINAL. No self-propelled Torpedo's.

OOC Very Well... It's edited. As for the orders I Tg'ed earlier still stand.

IC Incrediably Secret, no copies ect.

Secret letters are written to certain radical Norwegian independence parties, telling them that if they should like to be free of Swedish rule they should revolt now. They promise money and aide to rebuild their country afterwards. Denmark and Norway shall finally be united again and Denmark promises a new and more Democratic government for Norway. The letters also include elaborate plans for ousting the Swedish garrisons at Oslo and Trodhiem.