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PROHT Storefront

First facelift since original PROHT storefront opened, main advantage is that everything is sorted and linked to other pages for more detailed descriptions.

Ultra inexpensive weapons
Odd trinkets of military value
1K UAVs
ChokeRev Rifle conversions
Do your own math please, we also do custom jobs, all you need to do is ask.

Now teamed with Roman Republic Storefront (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=412411)

TG me for suggestions (http://www.nationstates.net/hurtful_thoughts)

Contents:
Small Arms and Artillery (Heavy Railgun Artillery too) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10723793&postcount=2)
Grenades, Mines, torpedoes, and other munitions (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10723798&postcount=3)
Vehicles (armored and unarmored) includes SP artillery. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10723816&postcount=5)

48" turrets for IFVs (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10752657&postcount=8)
Gunnery data for Mark 1B turret (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10752657&postcount=7)

UAVs, Blimps and Planes (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10723803&postcount=4)

Also ask about (at embassy, HERE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443280)):
Submarine Modifications
Genetics Reasearch (cloning)
Military bases for rent

Or check our Foreign Aid Package (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=466890) deals

Small Arms

Extra barrels/Barrel extensions (for sniping) $25 each

CM-26 (http://images.military.com/pics/SoldierTech_Shrike-2.jpg)
Type: Squad Automatic Weapon
Caliber: 6.5 x 55 mm Hurtian (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=596) or ARAM
Barrel Length: 20"/508 mm
Overall Length: 30"/762 mm
Magazine:100 round belt or 30 round detachable box
Wieght: 8 lbs empty, 12 lbs /w/ 100 round belt fitted
ROF: clocked at 600 RPM
Action: Gas operated, closed rotating bolt
Price: $350
Comparative ARES Shrike video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6BaxU69jqI)

LAR-655E2 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10892498&postcount=17)
Carbine
Barrel length: 18"
Overall length: 30" collapsed/46" fully extended
Shoulder to trigger distance: aprox 18 to 30 inches
Chamber: 6.5x55 Hurtian and/or 6.5x55 ARAM
Magazine capacity: 30 round staggered column box
Rate of Fire: 550 rounds per minute, stepped trigger shear
Effective Ballistic Range (against NIJ level I): 1 km
Weight: 3.2 kg empty
Price: $225 per unit

HM-320 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10796159&postcount=15)
Type:Underbarrel grenade launcher and Commando Mortar
Caliber: 40 mm
Barrel length: 11 in (280 mm)
Overall length: 13.7 in (350 mm)
Effective range: 492 ft (150 m)
Maximum range (Grenade): 1,312 ft (400 m)
Maximum range (Rocket/mortar): 2,624 ft (800 m)
Rate of fire: 4 (rocket)/6 (grenade) round/min
Weight, launcher (unloaded): 4.2 lb (2 kg)
Price: $150

HAP-XXX series PDW (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10754675&postcount=10)
Personal Defense Weapon
Length: 254 mm, stock folded, no muzzle attachments
Side folding and telescoping (buffered) stock extends out from 152.4 to 304.8 mm shoulder to trigger distance when in position.
Barrel length: 125 mm
Action: Gas/Roller delayed blowback, fixed pin
ROF: Limited to 300 RPM
Wieght: 1.75 Kg loaded
Cost: $100

CCZ-75 Automatic (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg155-e.htm)
Fully automatic Pistol
(Hurtian Stechnin)
Chamber: 9x19 mm or 7.62 x 25 mm
Weight: 1000 g
Length: 206 mm
Barrel length: 120 mm
ROF: 600 rpm
Magazine Capacity: PROHT makes 20 and 40 rd magazines.
This discontinued Czech and Russian designs were picked up, dusted off, and put into full production.
Cost:$75
$25 for 120 mm/5" barrel extension and clip on buttstock
makes a nice cheap carbine, good out to 200 meters in this fashion

CC-35C (http://encycl.atsar.ru/photo/guns/ptrd41photo1.jpg)
35 mm Bolt Action Anti-Material Rifle
Single shot
15 RPM with 2 man crew
6 RPM "solo"
Tactical Suggestions:
Use in 2 gun 4 man "Sniper teams"
2 Snipers
1 Loader
1 Spotter
Allows a cumilitive ROF of 30 RPM.
$2,000

PGL-40 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10761024&postcount=12)
40 mm lightwieght Heavy support weapon
Caliber: 40 mm
Type: repeating action
Overall length: 825 mm
Weight: 5 kg unloaded
Range: up to 1,500 m
Magazine capacity: 2 Magazines of the following (dual feed)
3 shell tube, 6 shell box, and 15 shell drum magazines
$1,000

SHAW-12 Coming soon!
Squad Heavy Automatic Weapon

Reason why our guns are inexpensive:
We use the finest production standards, our guns are battle tested, and work. We save money by getting discount valued resources and use large, efficient production runs. Barrels are extruded and hot forged rather than cast or milled, providing you with quality and saving us money.

You may occassionally hear that our guns are made by slave labor in sweatshops, but this is quite false. We provide them food, shelter and protection, and they are frwee to leave their factories on their own free will, but they are so proud of their nation that they refuse to leave.

OOC Reason: Outside of the factories they would be sent to our 'Joycamps' and be used to mine the raw materials under the harshest conditions. A bit of brainwashing helps.

Artillery

CC-35A
Linear Action AAA
5 round stripper clip/belt feed
35 mm cannon
$5,000

CC-35B
Rotary/revolver action AAA
Belt feed
35 mm cannon
$10,000

CC-4
Modular 105 mm light cannon
Emplacement/extraction time: 2 minutes / 45 seconds
Crew 6
Range 17.2 kms
Anti Tank Range 800 meters or 1067 yards
Rate of Fire 6 rounds per minute sustained, 12 RPM bursts
Shell Weight: 30 pounds
Gun Weight: 4,100 lbs / 1869.7 kg to 4,520 lbs / 2050.3 kg
Gun cost: $15,000
Extra Barrel [extensions]: $50

CC-5
5" Modular Field Artillery (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m198.htm)
Emplacement/extraction time: 3 min / 1 min
Range: 15 miles or 20 miles
Rate Of Fire: 6 rounds per minute sustained, 12 RPM bursts
Shell Weight: 80 LB / 40 Kg
Gun Weight: 10,000 lbs / 5,000 Kg to 15,000 Lbs / 7,500 Kg
Gun cost: $20,000
Extra Barrel [extensions]: $100

CC-8
8" Modular Heavy Artillery (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m115.htm)
Normally mouned on ships or in armoured vehicles
Emplacement/extraction time: 2 hrs / 30 min
Range: 25 miles or 35 miles
Rate Of Fire: 3 RPM sustained, 6 RPM burst
Shell Weight: 200 lb/ 100 Kg
Gun Weight: 20,000 Lbs / 10,000 Kg to 30,000 Lbs / 15,000 Kg
Gun cost: $30,000
Extra Barrel extensions: $500

MC-5
5" Heavy Mortar (towed)
Emplacement/extraction time: 1 min / 30 sec
Range: 1 mile to 3 miles
Rate of Fire: 15 RPM 30 RPM burst
Shell: 25 LB
Gun: 2,000 Lbs / 1,000 Kg
Cost: $5,000
Extra Barrels: $50

MC-36
36" siege artillery (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/little-david-4.jpg)
Fires Oil barrels... Bag charged, Monstrosity. TG if you really want one.

Rail Artillery
(artillery on rails, not true 'railguns' [more like ETC] May be mounted on Battleships)
PROHT indiginous designs
Will accept best offer.

Shells:
RAP-ER-S Rocket Assisted Projectile ER Small (1)
RAP-ER-L " " " " Large (125) 80% max range
RAP-ER-X Full caliber Rocket assisted ER shell (12345) 50%
RAP-DS-S " " " Discarding Sabot Small (1234) 80%
RAP-DS-L " " " Discarding Sabot Large (12345) 50%
RAP (12345)
Conventional (12345)
Irems in green not for export

Warheads
1>AP
2>APHE
3>HESH
4>HE
5>Munition Carrier (mines/bomblets)

CR-12ER
12" Railroad gun
(PROHT refuses to define what ER means, assumed to mean 'Extended Range)
Emplacent time:2 hrs
ROF: 60 Rounds per hour 120 RPH burst
Range:
100 lb RAP-ER-S 160 miles
600 lb Conventional 16 miles
Price: $500 million

CR-14ER
14" Railroad Gun
Emplacement time: 2.25 hrs
ROF: 30 Rounds per hour 60 RPH burst
Range:
100 lb RAP-ER-S 200 miles
1000lb Conventional 20 miles
Price: $750 million

CR-18
18" Railroad Gun
Emplacement time: 3 Hrs
ROF: 30 Rounds per hour 60 RPH burst
Range: 300 Miles
100 lb RAP-ER-S 300 miles
2000 lb Conventional 30 miles
Price: $1 billion

Grenades:
THGs (Thermobaric Hand Grenades)
These were made to complement RPGs in the bunker busting role, 10 sec delay fuse, if used right will destroy 2 story buildings with ease.
Cost: Cases of 1,000 for $2,000
What one grenade did to a farmhouse (http://warfare.ru/video/wmv/shmel.mpg)
$2 million for DPR

Triplex Grenade (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12072262&postcount=64)
3 Grenades in one cartridge.
40 x 203 mm: $2000 Per 500
40 x 155 mm: $1500 Per 500
OR
$3 million for DPR

Bombs:
20 pound Thermobaric Demolition charge
The really big Thermobaric Hand Grenade, demolition charge for Large buildigs and warehouses.
Case of 500 for $5,000
Or:
$5 million for DPR

1,000 Lb / 500 Kg FAE
Will destroy a small village, clear mines, get rid of pesky enemy tanks and armored infantry with ease.
Open air blast radius: 1/2 mile
Price: $15 billion for DPR

2,000 Lb / 1,000 Kg FAE
Will clear landing zones or cave in bunkers.
Open air blast radius: 3/4 mile
Price: $25 million for DPR

5 ton FAE
Modified LPG railroad car with PROHT thermobaric compound. Designed to level cities.
Blast/burn radius of 2 miles
Note: This is the most powerful conventional bomb on the market, don't accept a cheap imitation
Price: $40 billion for DPR

Rockets:
will accept Best offer, name your price, and quantity.

2,000 Lb standoff rocket
FAE
Cluster
Munitions carrier/UCAV CAS

6" Artillery rocket
Light tactical rocket
$200 each, sold on 20 round bulk crates.

12" Artillery rocket
Medium Tactical Rocket

21" Artillery rocket
Standard Naval Rocket / SRBM

48" "Big Berha" Rocket
MRBM
Length: 45 feet (standard) modular, 15' component stages
Diameter: 48 inches
Range: 1,000 miles (standard)
Cost:

Mines:
6 tube CAPTOR mine.
launcher empty, weighs 2 tons
Package weight: 8 tons
carries Six 21” torpedo tubes, reloadable.
Live fire time and delay times adjustable.
Max fire time: One year.
Max delay: One week
Min delay: 1 minute
Cost: $50,000 per mine, 6 standard torpedoes included

Short description:
Mine has activation delay, and hides well among the rocks, has delay fire mechanism to prevent multiple firings upon the same boat. Comes with self contained fire control system, and therefore, does not require guided torpedoes for a hit.

Torpedoes
F/SCT-2
Flying/Super Caviatating-Torpedo Mark II
Range 35 miles
Penetrates: 210 inches / 5250 mm RHAe (contact fuse only)
Unit production cost: $2,100 per torpedo
Limited Production rights Cost: $50,000

Short description:
Slightly inaccurate
Really simple SUBROC/ASROC version of SCT
Fits in standard 21" Torpedo tube or larger, or can be fitted to missile racks.

UAVs:
MMP-1: (http://www.currell.net/graphics/fmx4.jpg)
Infantry Counter artillery and recon plane
Model plane, two wireless cameras, improvised bomb racks, control unit
Arms: 3 grenades
Speed: 60 knots
Endurance: 3 hours
Comes with 10 Hand Grenades
Cost: $1K
Feasability study (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8349167410521981067&q=golf&hl=en)
Feasability study 2 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2237947353453839215&q=golf&hl=en)
Checking a stretch of road (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3556794983690699125&q=golf&hl=en)
Demonstration (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9091545735215129742&q=golf&hl=en)

Planes:
UL-2000: light liaison and CAS
Minicon
Landing gear: fixed, amphibious
Crew: 1 or 2
Avionics: nil
Dimensions:
Mass: 1,000 Kg loaded
Fusalage:
Length: 4'
Width: 2'
Wing:
Length: 6'
Width: 20'
Performance:
Engine: 2 cylinder 4 cylinder diesel motor 25 HP
Endurance: 5 hours
Max Airspeed 100 mph
Armarment:
A box of 20 Hand Grenades/20 pound FAE
2 Light Machine guns with 200 rounds each/2 Rocket launchers with 5 rockets each
1 Heavy Machine gun with 100 rounds
Comes with ten 20 lb Thermobaric bombs
Cost: $20K

FMX-6B:
Tank Killing CAS
Physical Characteristics:
Length: 40 ft
Span: 30 ft
Empty Weight: 12,000 lbs
Max takeoff weight: 24,000 lbs
Fuel: 200 gal
Structure: Composite sandwich panels and monocoque tube bracing
Control: FBW with 2 Wire and Pulley control redundancies
Avionics: IR Radios, UH to LFDF (radar warning/direction finder) GPS/inertial Nav.
Flight display: Analogue (dials) and HUD
Engine: Turboprop (1,000 hp)

Performance:
Maximum Speed: 350 mph
Cruise Speed: 180 mph (max range)
Loitering speed: 90 mph (max endurance)
Take off speed: 60 mph (landing gear limits angle of attack)
Min. Speed: 30 mph (at very high angles of attack)
Range: (200 gal) 1500 miles (600 gal) 6,000 miles (1000 gal) 10,000 miles (1400 gal) 15,000 miles
Rate of Climb: 1200 ft/min
Ceiling: 25,000 ft
Minimum Runway: 1000 ft

Load:
Internal:
Two 1 ton hardpoints may carry a 400-gallon ferry tank each
External:
Two 1 ton pylons on inside of wing, may carry a 200-gallon drop tank each
Two ½ ton pylons on outside of wing
A pair of ¼ ton wingtip pylons
Guns: 2 CC-35B revolver cannons (35 mm)

Flight Characteristics and Capabilities:

Roll Rate of 180 degrees/second
Incorporates rudimentary STEALTH technology
Highly Departure Resistant
Forgiving Flying Qualities
Heavy ceramic/composite armored ‘Tub’ proof to 30-mm cannon (10% chance of penetration), resists up to 75-mm (50% chance of penetration)
Maintains Level Flight at Angles of Attack Over 30 Degrees
STOL and unsurpassed rough field handling
Stressed for Navy use
Cost: $5 Million

http://members.aol.com/slicklynne/FMX4G6.JPG
http://members.aol.com/slicklynne/3VIEW.JPG
http://members.aol.com/slicklynne/FMX4IF.GIF
http://members.aol.com/slicklynne/1stfltt.jpg

Please let me know if anyone is interested in PROHT selling any of the below:

MPP-2
Seaplane / Flying Boat / Martime Patrol plane
Crew:5 Pilot, bombadier/Co-pilot, tail gunner/Radio operator, navigator/turret, nose gunner/RADAR operator.
May carry up to 20 passengers.
Avionics: Early warning RADAR, IR scanners, MAD on drouge, 10 sonarbouys
Landing gear: Amphibious
Dimensions:
Length:: 48 ft
Wingspan:: 65 ft
Height: 10'
Performance:
Engine: 2 turboprops
Range: 1,500 miles on internal fuel
Cruise speed: 250 mph
Max speed: 375 mph
Armarment:
Wings/pylons: 4 (typical load of 2 torpedoes and 2 rocket pods)
Internaly: Up to 4 Depth Charges
35 mm cannons in 3 turrets, dorsal, tail, and nose.
Or up to 5 tons of bombs

HT-HCT
Heavy (Short Range) Commercial Transport, Steam turbine powered
May also be used as bomber

Airships
Class A (Rigid)
Troop transport
Max Speed: 80 mph (still air)
Service Ceiling: 15,000 ft
Payload: 150 tons
Propulsion: Solar electric/diesel drive
Lifting gas: Hydrogen
Cost: $15 million

Class B (Limp)
Patrol
Max Speed: 80 mph (still air)
Service Ceiling: 15,000 ft
Payload: 30 tons
Propulsion: Solar electric/diesel drive
Lifting gas: Hydrogen
Cost: $5 million

Class C (semi rigid)
Heavy Transport
Max Speed: 80 mph (still air)
Service Ceiling: 10,000 ft
Payload: 200 tons
Propulsion: Solar electric/diesel drive
Lifting gas: Hydrogen
Cost: $10 Million

Special Note:
All AFVs listed herin are variants along the lines of the HT-101 PROHT comon hull design.
Composite pictures (didn't find any exact matches)
Hull sides and turret. (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/images/type-89_so10b.jpg)
Hull front
1 (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/images/jaguar_1.jpg)
2 (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/m113-approach-ship-ramp-s.jpg)
Hull rear (http://www.panzer.punkt.pl/galerie_2/SdKfz251-1/rosi_zlot/rosi_003.jpg)
And the Venerable inspiration(s) that started it
M-113 (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/m113-001.jpg)
SD Kfz 251 (http://www.panzer.punkt.pl/galerie_2/SdKfz251-1/251_01/SdKfz-251-D_01.gif)

Tracked HT-1 and HT-2 series, Later is open topped
Light tank
HT-101 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10610033&postcount=3)
$750,000
Similar appearance to M-113 (except top slopes inwards and overall better ballistic shape, click link for further details) similar armarment to M-3 Bradley

Heavy Tank
HT-106 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10753855&postcount=9) $2,000,000 to $12,000,000

IFV
HT-101 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10610033&postcount=3)

HT-201
$600,000

Heavy Airborne Infantry Fighting Vehicle
HT-101E8 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10694058&postcount=6) - Replacing HTC-103s currently in service - Advanced Prototype stage

SP Artillery
SP Cannons
HTC-103 Assault gun (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10610042&postcount=4)
HT-101 with enlarged turret ring to accomodate a 75/90 mm cannon

HTC-105 5" DP SP gun, armored (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10610042&postcount=4)
HT-101 with cut out top and fixed traverse rear facing CC-5 cannon dropped into place.

HTC-108/208 8" SP artillery, no turret (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10610042&postcount=4)
Same as HTC-105, instead with CC-8 cannon.

HTA-108 203 mm assualt gun (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10767315&postcount=13)
Same as HTC-108, instead on HT-106 chassis and improved capabilities.

HTC-201 35 mm AAA, coaxial SAM mounts
Pretty straightforward design. Drop down sides for better all round traverse, quad 35 mm CC-35B cannon.

Mortar carriers
HTM-136 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10610057&postcount=5)
36" Mortar carrier (think mobile armored Livens Projector)

MLRS
HTR-101 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10610057&postcount=5)
General purpose MLRS, can fire almost any PROHT rocket artillery


HTR-206 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10610057&postcount=5)
HT-201, gutted insides with Long 6" artillery rocket racks in hull. Carries more than HTR-101

HTR-212 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10610057&postcount=5)
Same as HTR-206 but for 12" rockets.

HTR-221 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10610057&postcount=5)
Same as HTR-206 but for firing 21" rockets or F/SC torpedoes.

Ballistic missile
HTR-148 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10610057&postcount=5)
SP MRBM launcher. Pedestal mounted rocket parts, may also be used as bridgelayer.

Wheeled HT-5 and HT-6 series Later is open topped
Designations otherwise same as tracked.
APC/IFV
HT-501 $650,000
HT-601 $500,000
SP artillery
HTC-503 Wheeled assault gun
HTC-601 SP AAA mount
Rocket Artillery/MLRS
HTR-501
HTR-606
HTR-612
HTR-621

ooc: did you mean to post this in the NationStates forum and not the International Incidents one?

Gunnery data:
All guns manually aimed, unencumbered with powered aiming. Elevation is affected by leaning forwards or back in the gunner’s seat, horizontal traverse is affected by ‘walking’ the turret while sitting in the before mentioned seat. Both axis may be locked for travel or for sniping.

Range is found for multiple targets with a prismatic optical rangefinder, giving a quick and accurate reading within 3 meters. This system cannot be jammed or disrupted electronically.

The 0.50 cal ‘Silent Chaingun’ is a rotary pellet launcher that uses centripetal force. And is accurate up to 4000 yards/3000 meters. And compared to most weapons, is silent, except for the humming of the engine which supplies the motive force for the gun and ammunition. The gun only fires round ball shot for safety reasons. The right hand trigger operates this gun.

Pressing the right thumb button operates the Rocket launcher (in this case, an RPG-7). The gun may be reloaded either manually, or by one of the two active tube magazines, operated by a pump action (push right arm forward, then pull arm back, tilt handle to left for Magazine one right for magazine 2) Each tube carries 5 rockets. Both magazines can be emptied with complete accuracy in 30 seconds or less by a trained crew, while at the same time giving suppressive fire with the MG or light cannon.

The cannon (in this case 35 mm linear action [CC-35A]) is the weapon of choice for shooting down planes, although it may be used against ground targets when the 0.50 is either unavailable or ineffective. Left trigger operates cannon.

The flamethrower was intended to overcome personnel and fortifications at short range, where other guns cannot shoot. Range is 100 yards. Left thumb operates flamethrower.

Forward visibility of the gunner is excellent, due to the fish eye lens which grants the user a panoramic view.

The loader doubles as commander and is thus given a hand periscope, rangefinder, and radio. We suggest you also give the loader a light UAV and a personal weapon.

The turret may carry an optional fifteen 5” sort mortar rounds in a rear turret overhang.

PROHT 48" turret mounts
For PROHT AFVs

Mark 1)
(From left to right)
> internal Rocket launcher (unguided) - pump action, duel feed, 5 round tube magazines.

>.50 caliber rotary "chain gun" - Rate of fire up to 10,000 RPM. Normaly limited to less than 1,000 RPM. 500 round box magazine.

>35 mm linear action cannon - Rate of fire, 600 RPM. 5 round clips, autoloading. Co-axial to .50 cal.

>Flame thrower

Mark 2
same as option one, Flame thrower replaced with guided rocket launcher, single shot

Mark 3)
Mark 1. Omits chain gun, has reguar machine gun in its place.


Mark 4)
Mark 2 with conventional .50 cal MG.

Sub option A)
Guided missile mounted over turret

Sub option B)
15 tube single shot mortar

Sub option C)
elecronic aiming and gun stabalization
>not really necessary, helps with the 35 mm cannon, and lessens gunner error. Night vision, digital all around vision, laser rangefinding and targeting computers.
>Standard is Optical rangefinder, prismatic vision slit with fisheye lens, gradution marks are on lens to facilitate aiming.

Costs fo rreplacement turrets (in case it was wrecked in combat)

Cost for Mark 1 and Mark 4) $1,500
Cost for Mark 2) $2,000
Cost for Mark 3) $1,000
Cost for Option A) +$300
Cost for Option B) +$200
Cost for Option C) +$400

HT-106
"Heavy tank"

Engines: 850 Hp diesel, 1,000 HP Gas turbine, and 150 Hp electric motor
Land speed: Limited to 45 mph (for safety, can be overridden to go faster in emergencies)
Mass: 20 to 80 tons
Range: Up to 300 Miles

Crew: 3 + 4 internally

Armarment:
120/122/125/152/155 mm autoloading main gun with 54/36 rounds
Two 35 mm CC-35A co-axial cannons with 1000 rounds per gun
Over-barrel and side of turret mounted ATGM rails (5 ATGMs)
Universal pintle mount

Armor
Base (not calulated for deflection)
turret front: 750mm
glacis plate: 600 mm
sides: 500 mm
rear: 400mm
top: 350mm,
bottom: 300 mm

Max:
turret front: 1100mm
glacis plate: 1000 mm
sides: 750 mm
rear: 600mm
top: 650mm,
bottom: 450 mm

Basic Cost: $2,000,000 (USD)

10 million more for full armor package (per tank)

http://www.achtungpanzer.bos.ru/images/amx50.jpg

It was designed after finally hearing complaints that the HT-101E8 still wasn't a very good 'tank' against modern MBTs, mostly because it was still a light tank.

People's Republic Of Hurtful Thoughts then reworked the HT-101 hull into something better able to duel tanks, by lowering the hull, and eliminating the 10 passenger storage capacity and flotation properties in favor of more armor and a lower tank.

We then fitted our best ETC guns onto an autoloading turret with the most advaned technology available.

We have yet to use these in combat.

Vehicle has achieved 45 mph on tests at 80 tons (road speed)

http://www.gun-world.net/russain/smg/kedr-klin/klin_3.jpg
HAP-XXX
Heavy Assault Pistol/PDW

Caliber: See chart
Magazine: 30-40 round box

Typical Charcteristics:
Length: 254 mm, stock folded, no muzzle attachments
Side folding and telescoping (buffered) stock extends out from 152.4 to 304.8 mm shoulder to trigger distance when in position.
Barrel length: 125 mm
Action: Gas/Roller delayed blowback, fixed pin
ROF: Limited to 600 RPM
Wieght: 1.75 Kg loaded/1.25 Kg empty

Models and Calibers (a few are a bit dangerous for a 'normal' man to fire)
510 - .22 LR
539 - 5.56 x 39 Soviet
545 - 5.56 x 45 NATO
630 - 6.5 x 30 ACP (.257 pistol)
655 - 6.5 x 55 PROHT (can be modified to fire 6.5 x 50 Carbanian)
725 - 7.62 x 25 Tokerev
739 - 7.62 x 39 Soviet
751 - 7.62 x 51 NATO
917 - 9 mm Short
918 - 9 mm Parabelum
921 - Markov
1020 - .45 ACP/10 mm
1125 - 11 mm mag

Can be fitted with the following:
152 mm barrel
304 mm barrel
76.2 mm rifled muzzle brake
Reflex sight
Telescopic sight (sniper scope)
Laser sight
NVG compatable

NOTE: Cartridges are stripped from magazine backwards via a simple claw that drags it out during recoil, and is held in place from going forward by the feed ramp underneath, and is unable to ride over it because the slide prevents it, the bolt then hits the cartridge, stripping it from the lower claw, and feeding it into the chamber. (think how a tube feed shotgun works [or fabric belt feed machine gun])

Nevertheless, a fully decked out version of these would be comparable to a take-down assault rifle in firepower, while the gun irself is only a little larger than some pistols.

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If you see this, please offer a suggestion (or why you didn't buy anything).

Such critisism is very helpful.

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PGL-40
Pump Action Heavy Grenade/Rocket Launcher

HuThArms dropped development on a full/semi-auto support grenade launcher in favor of developing a pump action version, using an action that paradies both the GM-94 and a top feed box/drum/tube. Adition of firing longer than 'standard' length cartridges are available by tilting the barrel as one would to remove an MG-42 barrel and inserting the long cartridge into the exposed breech and closing it.

A front load attachment allowing it to rapid fire a strip/tube of 60 mm grenades/mortars could also be implemeted, by ramming the powder charge onto the muzzle in a maner similar to how the shell is loaded into the Neostead/GM-94 upon the approaching (forward in this case) stroke, and the rearward stroke locks the chamber and lines up the firing pin for safe firing.

Estimated specs:
Caliber: 40 mm
Type: multi-shot, manually reloading, cartridge firing, dual feed (2 boxes and perhaps multiple muzzle feeds)
Overall length: 825 mm
Weight: 5 kg unloaded
Range: up to 1,000 m
Magazine capacity:
40 mm:
2x3 shell tube magazines* OR 2x6 shell box magazines OR 2 15 shell drum magazines
60 mm:
2x 3 to 6 rocket alternating strip magazines AND/OR 1x5 shot tube magazine over barrel*

*Can be mounted at the same time, feed gate selects one mag or another...

HTA-108 203 mm SP Assault gun
(yeah, an improved HTC-108 that can duel HBTs... based on HT-106 chassis...)
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/203mm-DDST8606676_JPG.jpg

Replacing the HTC-108, due to its lack of high angle fire, the HTA-108 is a vast improvement.

Based on the more solid chassis of the HT-106 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10753855&postcount=9), rather than the HT-101, it is now better able to cope with the massive recoil.

It was also given a rear spade, in addition to a front spade, side bracing arms may also be deployed, allowing 360 degrees of low angle fire (up to 30 degrees from horizontal), or 30 degree traverse at high angle fire (up to 85 degrees from horizontal).

Specifications are the same as that carried by the HT-106, except price, which is now 15 million for a full HTA-108.

Optional open rear turret available for another 2 to 5 million (raises CG deflects small arms or small cannon fire to full sized tank rounds, depending on grade [ low, high or MBT grade])

Carries 15 shells...
Or 5 shells and an additional barrel extension for "artillery/tank sniping".
Operates with a crew of 6...
Wieghs 35 tons at entry level...
It can throw a shell over 25 miles/55 Km...
A battery with 5 of these can land 45 shells in a minute (firing at 3 rds/min per gun, 3 trajectories)

The gun can be fred with spade raised, but accuraxcy will most likely suffer (along with safety, but wiegh that against getting perferated by an enemy 203 mm shell...)

HTD-108 203 mm Hurtian Tank Destroyer
(yeah, an improved HTC-108 that can duel HBTs... based on modified HT-101 CE chassis...)

Replacing the HTC-108, due to its lack of anti-armor capabilities, the HTD-108 is a vast improvement. And is an cheap alternative to the HTA-108 SHBTish monstrosity.

Based on the proven chassis of the HT-101, modified to better able to cope with the massive recoil.

Description:

Take a standard HT-101, add two backhoes to the front, these allow for quick digging of field emplacements, and bracing for low angle fire's massicve recoil.
Replace the entire rear with the front armor half of the HT-106, including dozer blade, this is now the front.
Cut down the former driver's side of the tank, and move driver to the new front left side, with gun crew immediately behind him, and the gun nestled low into the hull of the tank, and below the gun barrel is extra ammunition.


This creates a limited traverse gun mount on a low, lightwieght, well armored, fast tracked vehicle, with an optional armored sponson for the implied purpose of protecting the gun and crew from combat conditions whiles serving as a tank destroyer.

This sponson may be removed, allowing the gun full elevation capabilities similar to the HTC-108 making it suitable for heavy field artillery purposes.

The gun has power assist.

Cost: 10 million per unit

FIREARM INSTRUCTION MANUAL (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/XM320-M4.jpg)
HURTIAN HM-320 ROCKET/GRENADE LAUNCHER

Overview:
The HM-320 is a radical new concept of underbarrel weaponry, combining the portability of an underbarrel launcher, and the lethality of a Meduim Anti-tank Rocket Launcher.

The HM-320, however, has inherent dissadvantages/advantages compared to conventional rocket launchers and grenade launchers.

The gun has no backblast, and is therefore safe to fire from very confined areas.
This gun has a very noticeable recoil, and should be taken into consideration whenever handling this weapon. Whether it is loaded or not.
Accuracy and range are limited. And considerably less than that of purpose built specialty man-portable anti-tank weapons, but on par with most disposable LAWs and UGLs.


Design:
The HM-320 is a heavy smoothbore 40 mm weapon, with projectile locking lugs (PLL[discussed later]) in the chamber, this also serves as the extractor for spent cartridges.

The HM-320 has its own sight system offset to the left or right side, and allows for the gun to be sighted in on one gun, removed, and then placed on another without requiring another sighting in seession.

The HM-320 has a quick-detach mechanism, but due to the masive recoil it must handle, involse two locking levers, but this can still be removed with one hand, in one solid motion by pressing the two lug mounts together and pushing the assembly forward.

The barrel swings to either side for loading of long 40 mm grenades, and ejecting casings from oversized grenades. The barrel is secured in the fire position by a switch operated by the thumb behind the pistol grip of he launcher. This button must be pressed to open the action.

There is a mortar baseplate attacment point just above the thumb switch

To load and fire a 40 mm grenade:

Open chamber by pressing thumb switch and then pushing barrel to side with index finger.
Insert grenade intyo breech
Close action, no buttons need to be pressed to accomplisg this, but a loud click will be heard, one can minimize this noise by pressing the thumbswitch when closing the action, gently.
Sight must be flipped in the 'up' position to function properly, provided sght includes front (post) and rear (leaf tangent/peep) sight. Sight is graduated out to 400 yards, but it is recomended that you get within 100 yards before firing.
Shoulder gun if it is not already shouldered, lean into the expected recoil
Aim, then Pull trigger, we can't stress how important it is to aim before pulling the trigger enough.
Press thumb switch, open action, PLL automaticly ejects cartridge ven if it has not been fired.


Loading and firing oversize grenades up to 60 mm diameter:

Insert grenade into muzzle, rear end first
Twist grenade in counter-clockwise motion (from shooter's perspective) until it stops, this locks the grenade in place, arms the firing pin, arms the grenade, and keeps it from falling out during combat manuvers. Failure to do this will resualt in accomplishing nothing.
Get into a prone position, press stock tighly into shoulder, deploy bipod if available, and brace body for recoil
Aim
Pull trigger
Press thumb release, open action, PLL will eject initial propellant charge container
To remove unfired oversize grenades, twist grenade in clockwise direction and pull grenade out of breech while pressing thumb release, but do not open action, as that may damage the greande.


Alternate Method of firing oversize grenades up to 60 mm diameter:

Place Buttstock of rifle firmly on the ground
Elevate gun, using sights in extreme down position, as described for firing mortar shells
You do not need to remove the launcher from the rifle to do this


To Fire Grenades larger than 60 mm (or mortar shells):

Remove grenade launcher from parent gun
Attach to a mortar baseplate or any other suitably sturdy object
(armor plate, log, wall, sidewalk, detached body armor section)
Pistl grip should be facing you and sight should be in 'extreme down' position, a 2nd front sight is used for this oberation, and is calibrated for firing grenades at angles greater than 45 degrees from horizontal.
Loading/unloading is similar to 40-60 mm oversize grenade
Aim
Pull trigger
Open action to remove spent casing
Re-attach HM-320 at end of firing session

NOTE: the gun will be used 'upside down'. This gun also uncludes a light detachable 'Universal firing plate" which is concave in shape, we strongly stress this is NOT a "knee mortar". This gun also comes with a stand-alone stock, mostly for training and sighting in. Both rear attachments connect to the mortar baseplate connector. The UFP also can serve as a heat shield for the grenade launcher when not needed.

*Designer note: The CM-26, CM-28 and CM-38 are qualified to fire large, low-recoil 81 mm grenades, from the gun as a 'high-recoil' 60 mm grenade.

Type: Underbarrel Heavy Grenade Launcher
Caliber: 40 mm
Barrel length: 11 in (280 mm)
Overall length: 13.7 in (350 mm)
Effective range: 492 ft (150 m)
Maximum range (Grenade): 1,312 ft (400 m)
Maximum range (Rocket/mortar): 2,624 ft (800 m)
Rate of fire: 4 (rocket)/6 (grenade) round/min
Muzzle velocity: 250 ft/s (76 m/s) [varies by cartridge]
Weight, launcher (unloaded): 4.2 lb (2 kg)

What is this storefront missing?

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t238/PROHT/LAR655E2.png
NSD Overview Available (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=3597)

Overview:
The performance of the Hurtian "Heavy Assault Pistol" was less than satisfactory in long range engagements. The Hurtian issue HAP-655 using a full sized rifle cartridge in particular, as it lacked accuracy and effectiveness coming from the reduced length pistol barrel, couldn't be fitted with a grenade launcher of any type, and had safety and reliability issues with the feed system.

Thus, designers went back to the drawing board, noting they needed a longer barrel for better accuracy and external ballistics, could be effectively used in a compact weapon, able to use underbarrel weapons and scopes, have a high rate of sustained fire, and retain good 'pointability' for snap shooting. But above all, it had to be cheaper, simpler, and lighter than the existing battle rifle.

The first suggestion was to make it a bullpup rifle, although it was noted that a 'one size fits all' bullpup, but it was noted that a normal bullpup layout may interfere with the required high rate of accurate rifle fire. One person suggested placing the magazine forward enough during sustained firing to alow it to be used as a hand-hold, thus bypassing the difficulty of holding a red-hot gunstock and allowing for and extremely rapid one hand magazine change.

Humble shotgun beginings:
Around this time, a mercenary corporation purchased some automatic bullpup shotguns from Yanitaria because of the diffuculty using the belt-fed SHAW-12 Mk IV, and had modified them specificly for either long sustained firing or a very agile weapon for CQC.

The shotgun was a relatively robust gas-operated rotating bolt weapon, employing a simple stepped trigger shear instead of a fire selector, firing from open bolt to prevent cook-offs between long bursts. The designers had omited the handgaurd altogether to allow the use of mittens.

There was no charging handle, instead using an enlarged ejection port and pulling the bolt open where it engaged the trigger shear. The safety comprised of a dust cover that also engaged a magazine cutoff, thus making the gun safe to handle while keeping the inside sealed off from the elements (especially if the bolt was closed), this feature also proved immensly useful in the event that a badly worn trigger shear resaults in a run-away firearm.

The wire stock was made sufficiently log to double as a cleaning rod for the barrel, and special attention was paid that a buffered stock recoil management system was made available when firing single shots or short bursts. Being a shotgun, little attention as paid to giving the weapon much more than a series or rear sight grooves (refferance lines running down the barrel) and a front rifle sight, though a weaver rail was fitted close to the rear for a red-dot or night vision sight.

Along the lower, there were provisions for an underbarrel weapon, originally it was supposed to be the recoil intensive HM-320, which could be fired with maximum powder charge with the stock removed and replaced with a mortar baseplate in a condition similar to the HM-320 itself.

The first true lightweight Hurtian rifle
As impressive as the LAS-12 (Light Assault Shotgun 12) was, it wasn't quite what was expected of a rifle, the sights were crude, it had issues with attempting to charge the bolt after a long firing session -either requiring a surrogate finger or resaulting in burned hands and the muzzle brake actually increased muzzle flash.

Proper rifle sights and scope rails were added however, this modification was made in the belief this was a conventional rifle layout, thus the flip-up rear sight is located upon the extreme rear of the reciever, thus, many troops are still trained to handle the weapon as a shotgun for CQC.

The issue with re-charging a hot bolt was partialy alleviated by installing a bolt-hold-open device compatable with standard hurtian 30 round 6.5x55 mm magazines. In the event the bolt fails to remain open, soldiers are encuraged to open the bolt with a spent piece of brass.

And the muzzle brake was removed and replaced with a coarsly threaded muzzle for standard Hurtian attachments. The barrel remained smoothbore in keeping with then-current hurtian rifle specifications.

The rifle comes of age: The 'E' model
It didn't take too long for economic planners to see that such a weapon could corner the market as a good, cheap, high performance battle rifle for third world nations. So another series of modifications were made in order to appeal to the general public interest.

First, it was noted that not all nations use underbarrel grenade launchers, secondly, that even the Hurtian military among other have fieled a considerable number of high power cartridges that would wreck the short stroke gas operating mechanism of the rifle.

Both these problems were resolved by adding a veneer sight for rifle grenade launching, this flip up sight also functioned to seal off the gas block.

Further improvements were made to the barrel and muzzle, including a fully rifled barrel with 4 grooves, and a fixed sound/flash suppressing rifle grenade launcher.

A balanced recoil mechanism was considered to counter the heavy bolt group, and was added in the second block of export models as the LAR-655E2 (pictured).

Other versions in various calibers may be manufactured with orders of over 1,000 units or DPR (cost of 1 million units).

Specs:
Barrel: 18"
Overall length: 30" collapsed/46" fully extended
Shoulder to trigger distance: aprox 18 to 30 inches
Chamber: 6.5x55 Hurtian and/or 6.5x55 ARAM
Magazine capacity: 30 round staggered column box
Rate of Fire: 550 rounds per minute
Effective Ballistic Range (against NIJ level I): 1 km
Weight: 3.2 kg empty

Price: $225 per unit

Better product descriptions. I have no idea what these vehicles look like, are they like the Chinese Type 531 APC these light tanks? Armament? Most people don't like to click to outside articles and want to see all the information right there.

Done, added short descriptions and added closest RL AFV design photos
Adding prices onto storefront list so that they won't have to click a link to find out what it is. Though the links are there if the short description gets you interested.

If they aren't willing to click a button to learn enough about the product to RP them effectively, then chances are they aren't willing to post an order.

These items have their use, and what they do they do very well.

Railguns with massive range
Micro-UAVs to attack and find enemy artillery positions
Sniper weapons for 'dialing long distance'
Long range conventional artillery for dialing even longer distances
Planes for Ultra long range attacks and real time CAS (shells take awhile to travel 100 miles)
Small arms and explosives to get your army started
Mortars for high volume large caliber barrages

The Confederacy of Free Shepmagans wishes to purchase 6 of your 6 tube CAPTOR mines, total cost in USD should be $300,000. We await your response.

[Sales attendant wakes up, scratches himself, yawns]

6 CAPTOR mines /w/ 36 F/SC Torpedoes
$300,000
Shipping by air, expect delivery in 6 NS Months.

Those'll give a pleasant surprise to whoever runs near one. Perfect for gaurding coastlines and freeing up small navies for more impotrant matters, such as escorting your convoys and invading other nations...

Thank You for shopping!

[As the money is being wired you can hear the attendant being fired and replaced by a more "attenitive" one, since the managers believe he was responsible for lost business.]

((OOC hehehe))
We thank you for your business and wish you a profitable future. *Bows and leaves*

Added pistol/SMG (CZ-75 Automatic)

New tank in development
HT-101E8
Armed with a standard caliber 105 mm cannon in a 2 or 3 man turret.
(depends if you want an autoloader or not)

Bump, Should I add a shotgun to the storefront list?

Nah, a PROHT shotgun would just be a regular ChokeRev w/o rifled choke and a bigger lighter barrel.

The lighter and more compact CZ-75 was meant to fill that close in spray and pray gap.

Boats?
Landing craft/Gunships?

Light cruisers and aircraft carriers?

Big fleet class submarines?

imperial isa defence chef to proht store
dear sirs or madams
i like to order one case of THG at $12000 for testing
money is be sent to your bank

OOC you need AA guns , SAMs and AT rockets

imperial isa defence chef to proht store
dear sirs or madams
i like to order one case of THG at $12000 for testing
money is be sent to your bank

OOC you need AA guns , SAMs and AT rockets

Alright. Hope you like them, and be careful not to blow yourself up.

They work best in enclosed spaces, with the user a good distance away preferably. Might work against a tank, (wonder what would happen if I get one to go off inside an IFV, *runs off to test idea*)

And $12,000 gets you 6 cases. Hope you like blowing stuff up.

Order confirmed. 6 cases sent. (6,000 grenades)




OOC: Already have AA guns:
CC-5 125 mm towed DP gun
set one on a "Panama mount" and give it some armor and you just made yourself a little fort capable of shooting anything and able to take as much damage as a Behemoth III
Or you can set it up like field artillery and slog it out with each other.
The fact that it is modular denotes that you can convert it from AA gun, to howitzer, to long range counter artilery, to an AT gun with ease.


HTC-105 mobile 125 mm gun
(I worked hard to give it a max elevation of 90 degrees)
A less capable but much more mobile mount for the CC-5.

CC-35 (all marks) 35 mm cannon
The CC-35A is the standard armarment on all Hurtian IFVs/APCs/tanks.
The CC-35B is mounted on Shipboard CIWS and on Hurtian Aircraft.
The CC-35C is a 1 1/2 man anti-material rifle, a 4 man fire team is recommended though for best resaults (spotter, loader, 2 gunners)

All of the above are very good at shooting down planes and wrecking tanks.

SAMs and AT rockets are rather easy to come by at Roman Republic and therefore to prevent redundancy I just linked his store to mine and in return he links my store to his.

New variant of the HT-101 being developed!

HT-106E1 to E8
http://www.achtungpanzer.bos.ru/images/amx50.jpg

Carries a 120/122/152/155 mm long barreled autoloading gun on Oscisillating turret.

Estimated rate of fire will be a reletively blistering 30 rounds per minute.

Cost will be greater in order to accomodate the greater compexity of the gun and turret and to prepare the hull for the heavier mount.

For reasons that are apparent, we do not recomend dropping these out of planes.

Message from: Peoples for Freedom for all. #FAILURE TO TRACE PACKET#

Hello, we have noticed the variaity of Turrets that your nation produces, we are very interested, we ourselves happen ot have a large number of old T-34 Medium Tank hulls, Upon looking at the specs of these Turrets we have found that some of them can be easily fitted to them.

We need

100 Mark 1s $150,000
20 Mark 1s with Suboption A $36,000
50 Mark 2s $100,000
50 Mark 3s with Suboption B $60,000

Deliever them to where your forces are fighting against the Parthian Hordes.

Message from: Peoples for Freedom for all. #FAILURE TO TRACE PACKET#

Hello, we have noticed the variaity of Turrets that your nation produces, we are very interested, we ourselves happen ot have a large number of old T-34 Medium Tank hulls, Upon looking at the specs of these Turrets we have found that some of them can be easily fitted to them.

We need

100 Mark 1s $150,000
20 Mark 1s with Suboption A $36,000
50 Mark 2s $100,000
50 Mark 3s with Suboption B $60,000

Deliever them to where your forces are fighting against the Parthian Hordes.

Mark 1
(From left to right)
> internal Rocket launcher (unguided) - pump action, duel feed, 5 round tube magazines.
>.50 caliber rotary "chain gun" - Rate of fire up to 10,000 RPM. Normaly limited to less than 1,000 RPM. 500 round box magazine.
>35 mm linear action cannon - Rate of fire, 600 RPM. 5 round clips, autoloading. Co-axial to .50 cal.
>Flame thrower

Mark 2
same as option one, Flame thrower replaced with guided rocket launcher, single shot

Mark 3
Mark 1. Omits chain gun, has reguar machine gun in its place.

Sub option A)
Guided missile mounted over turret

Sub option B)
15 tube single shot mortar

Alright, expect delivery in about an NS week (rush delivery) from stocks already in Chitzeland. (means you'll have to RP a week in Chitzeland before these arrive).

Any specific caliber or type of rocket you want to use? (will cause an additional 1 week delay)

Otherwise you get PROHT standard:

14.5 x 114 mm MG ammo
12.7 x 12.7 mm chaingun ball ammo
35 mm cannon ammo
mortar rounds are short 6" rockets
unguided rockets are RPG-7 shells
guided rockets are Hellfires
Flamethrower uses well, flamable liquids...:rolleyes:


I'm not too sure they'd fit the T-34 turret ring though (double checks)
yep, 14" too short...

OOC: Whatever happened to the really cheap assualt rifle you made? Oh well, I'm still here to make a major purchase. I really want this deal to go through, I think I still have a few HT-101s I bought via telegram.

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It is your old friends at the Leafanistani Mafia.

We'd like to make you an offer. We want to buy the production rights for the MMP-1 UAV, the HT-101, the CC-35A Linear Action AA gun, CC-4 Modular 105mm Cannon, the CC-5 5" Gun, the CC-35C the f'ing huge sniper rifle, and the CR-12ER.

We are offering a total of $20 billion US for all these production rights.

[END]

OOC: I was asked to raise prices (now $200 each, though we sell barrels for $5, and a stock can simply be a piece of scrap tubing left over, the action it would have would be your choice... discontinued the $10 per extra copy sale, it just didn't look right compared to the $2,000 pistols other people are selling)

Ah, you great men at Leafanistan have finally seen the light!

The CR-12 (sorry, but we don't offer the blueprints of ER models) is a 'rather large' gun. But production and sales have been slow so we'll offer you the designs and right to the bare bones basic model.

(max range is 120 miles with rocket assisted discarding sabot shells)

The other point is, do you just want the HT-101 design, or the whole line package (all variants)?

Excluding the above mentioned items, the bill of $15 billion is acceptable.

OOC: I was asked to raise prices (now $200 each, though we sell barrels for $5, and a stock can simply be a piece of scrap tubing left over, the action it would have would be your choice... discontinued the $10 per extra copy sale, it just didn't look right compared to the $2,000 pistols other people are selling)

Ah, you great men at Leafanistan have finally seen the light!

The CR-12 (sorry, but we don't offer the blueprints of ER models) is a 'rather large' gun. But production and sales have been slow so we'll offer you the designs and right to the bare bones basic model.

(max range is 120 miles with rocket assisted discarding sabot shells)

The other point is, do you just want the HT-101 design, or the whole line package (all variants)?

Excluding the above mentioned items, the bill of $15 billion is acceptable.

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We don't mind at all.

As for the HT-101 design, we only want the basic design. We have plenty of left-over turrets, mainly from T-34s and Shermans. I'm sure someone wants a light tank.

Also we are redesignating the HT-101 based on the armament it carries. The basic version will be the HT-101-23/20 with a dual 23mm/20mm Cannon Mount.

Other versions will include the HT-101-40, HT-101-75, HT-101-90, HT-101-105, HT-101-100, HT-101-APC, HT-101-LV, HT-101-120M, and finally the HT-101-122R.

We are wiring the $15 billion now. Thank you for doing business with us.

[END]

I've updated the Storefront to Include your vehicles and our family of them.

What you call them after you purchase them is your own choice. However, we do not recomend fitting T-34 and M-4 turrets onto the HT-101, as the M-4 would raise the Center of gravity considerably, and the T-34 turret was found unsatisfactory when compared to the Mk 10 turret on the HT-101E8.

As for the HT-101 design, we only want the basic design. We have plenty of left-over turrets, mainly from T-34s and Shermans. I'm sure someone wants a light tank.
After reviewing the types you plan on making, we would like to point out the following designs:

HT-101-75 (PROHT had a few ill fated prototypes of this catagory before discontinuing research and developmeent on them in order to better pursue the HT-101E8 concept)

HT-101-105 (Known commercially as the HT-101E8)
HT-101-APC and HT-101-LV (see HT-201 [an open topped HT-101])
HT-101-122R (see HTC-105)

Wwe shall offer you the ability to manufacture the HT-101 and PROHT designs for $2 billion, selling rights are an additional $3 billion, and rights to expand upon the idea is an additional $1 billion.

The rights to the CR-12 basic would cost $3 billion.

What you call them after you purchase them is your own choice. However, we do not recomend fitting T-34 and M-4 turrets onto the HT-101, as the M-4 would raise the Center of gravity considerably, and the T-34 turret was found unsatisfactory when compared to the Mk 10 turret on the HT-101E8.


After reviewing the types you plan on making, we would like to point out the following designs:

HT-101-75 (PROHT had a few ill fated prototypes of this catagory before discontinuing research and developmeent on them in order to better pursue the HT-101E8 concept)

HT-101-105 (Known commercially as the HT-101E8)
HT-101-APC and HT-101-LV (see HT-201 [an open topped HT-101])
HT-101-122R (see HTC-105)

Wwe shall offer you the ability to manufacture the HT-101 and PROHT designs for $2 billion, selling rights are an additional $3 billion, and rights to expand upon the idea is an additional $1 billion.

The rights to the CR-12 basic would cost $3 billion.

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Hi I am an Engineer working on this to explain why.

Technically speaking, we've replaced the original HT engine, in favor of a larger diesel burning engine. It more powerful, has better fuel economy, but weighs more and that evens out. We've also changed the formula of the armour to a slightly lighter version. The combined weight on the bottom and a new front mounted engine mean that the rear mounted turret is balanced.

And trust us, if the Israels could cobble together a 105mm M4 Sherman and kick 3 Arab powers simultaneously, then we should be able to build something similar with old T-34 turrets.

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Encrypted Reply

Hi I am an Engineer working on this to explain why.

Technically speaking, we've replaced the original HT engine, in favor of a larger diesel burning engine. It more powerful, has better fuel economy, but weighs more and that evens out. We've also changed the formula of the armour to a slightly lighter version. The combined weight on the bottom and a new front mounted engine mean that the rear mounted turret is balanced.

And trust us, if the Israels could cobble together a 105mm M4 Sherman and kick 3 Arab powers simultaneously, then we should be able to build something similar with old T-34 turrets.

[END]

The HT-101 is already uber-overpowered at 200 HP/Ton.
You could just remove the turbines and run only the 800+ HP diesel that comes standard, still delivering almost 100 HP/Ton.

Your tank is gonna fly...

And I am aware of the 105 mm'ed Shermans
But the T-34 turret could not take a 105 mm gun. I've seen it debated over and over before, the turret itself is just too cramped to handle the recoil of the 105 without great risk to their crews.

The HT-101 is already uber-overpowered at 200 HP/Ton.
And I am aware of the 105 mm'ed Shermans

But the T-34 turret could not take a 105 mm gun. I've seen it debated over and over before, the turret itself is just too cramped to handle the recoil of the 105 without great risk to their crews.

OOC: Oh I'm sorry, but I mean the M4 turret will be used for the 105mm/100mm gun. The t-34 one is too small.

Encrypted Transmission

No Taxes Defence Inc. would like to purchase domestic production rights, if available, for the HT-106 MBT along with the full armor package. If the rights are not for sale then we will buy 500 HT-106 MBTs with 155 mm main guns and full armor packages for 6,000,000,000 US Dollars.

[End]

No, we currently do not offer production rights for the HT-106.

It is a rather new technology, and the People's Republic Of Hurtful Thoughts would like to regulate their more advanced weapons, such as their railguns and heavy tanks.

Thankfully they are real simple to repair in the field, and comes with a 3 year warranty.

Approved.

500 HT-106E1 Heavy Tanks (conventional 155 mm autoloading tank gun).
For:
$6 Billion
(PROHT uses HT-106C2 standard [125 mm 'long' gun])

Note: Autoloader magazine only holds 6 ready rounds at a time.

Encrypted Transmission

No Taxes Defence Inc. would like to purchase domestic production rights, if available, for the HT-106 MBT along with the full armor package. If the rights are not for sale then we will buy 500 HT-106 MBTs with 155 mm main guns and full armor packages for 6,000,000,000 US Dollars.

[End]

OOC: Well my storefront offers one with the 105mm gun, I can probably attach 6 M40 106mm RCL guns to it. How is that?

Done, it is either the HT-101-106 tank destroyer or HT-101-105 medium tank.

No trying to steal my customers. ;)

The 106 is simply an upscaled and upgraded HT-101.
(by about 50 tons or 250% bigger...)

Sort of like the diferance(s) between the later KV/JS and variants compared to the T-34 and T-34/85.

Clandonia Prime will take:

2x
CR-18
18" Railroad Gun
Emplacement time: 3 Hrs
ROF: 30 Rounds per hour 60 RPH burst
Range: 300 Miles
100 lb RAP-ER-S 300 miles
2000 lb Conventional 30 miles


4x 5 ton FAE

We offer $2 billion for the lot.

Suggested Retail price:
4x 5-ton FAE: $40 million
2x CR-18ER railguns: $2 billion
-$40 million discount for being the first to suggest prices on unpriced weapons.
----
Suggested Railgun division organization
2,750 Men
1 Brigade = 5 Battalions
1 Battalion = 6 Batteries
40 CR-12ER (Two 4 gun batteries per Battalion)
40 CR-14ER (Two 4 gun batteries per Battalion)
20 CR-18ER (Two 2 gun batteries per battalion)

Supporting units:
60 MC-5 (to help defend the gun)
60 HT-101 (to help load/defend the guns)
(2 per battery)

Thank you come again.

We thankyou for yoru advice, the formation of the Rail Artilery Unit has been anounced with merger of of the Rail Logistical Corp.

We recently heard great things from some... Supporters within our nation... And hearing that you are in a war and might like some funds we've decided to use your nation as our Land force rearmers.

Your IFVs and specialized turrets greatly interest us.

400 HT-101s
100 Mark 1 turrets 150,000
50 Mark 2 turrets 100,000
100 Mark 4 turrets 150,000
50 Mark 1s with sub option 2,3,4 120,000
100 Mark 3s 100,000
also
Perhaps
300 6" Artillery rockets for $60,000?
and 12 HTR-101s $900,000?

The Allied Protectorate of Lone Alliance Colonies:
Background Checking, please hold.... access granted, not part of restriced access nations listing (being on the list tacks on a large tarriff as penalty for us having to ship the supplies illegally).

Checking funds... $2.975 Trillion

Totalling bill:
400 HT-101s (hulls) $3 million
100 Mark 1 turrets 150,000
50 Mark 2 turrets 100,000
100 Mark 4 turrets 150,000
50 Mark 1s with sub option 2,3,4 120,000*
100 Mark 3s 100,000
also
Perhaps
300 6" Artillery rockets for $60,000?
and 12 HTR-101s $900,000?

*ERROR, object omited from order.
Please consult help desk. Object not listed in storefront.

You are paying too little for this item: repriced to $12 million, or offering HTR-206 for $900,000
Confirm change in order Y/N?
Note: The HTR-101, though versitile, was not intended to handle ballistic missiles.
That is what the HTR-148/196 is for.

Bill:
$15,560,000
Or
$4,460,000

Depending on order.

Shipping upon confirmation.

1,000 Lb / 500 Kg FAE
Price: $25 million for 10


I'll take 100 bombs, so the Total is: $250 Million

The Commonwealth State of Wanderjar
Confirmed

Shipping now.

The Allied Protectorate of Lone Alliance Colonies:
Background Checking, please hold.... access granted, not part of restriced access nations listing (being on the list tacks on a large tarriff as penalty for us having to ship the supplies illegally).

Checking funds... $2.975 Trillion

50 Mark 1s with sub option 2,3,4 120,000*

and 12 HTR-101s $900,000?

*ERROR, object omited from order.
Please consult help desk. Object not listed in storefront.
Altering order and limiting size for clarification.
50 Mark 1s fitted with Sub option C)Elecronic aiming and gun stabalization
Cost: $95,000

You are paying too little for this item: repriced to $12 million, or offering HTR-206 for $900,000
Confirm change in order Y/N? .
\Y confirm change to HTR-206.


Bill:
$15,560,000
or
$4,460,000
Depending on order.

Shipping upon confirmation.

Confirmed, altering price to $4,555,000.

Lone alliance:
Progress report:
Shipping.
Expect full delivery in 6 months.

Bumping to test demand

Bump

I edit bumps into mechandise posts...

OOC: Isn't the new GASN calibre the 6.5 x 55mm? Can I call it the Arisaka++? Also, I'll probably reverse engineer the 6.5x55mm from the rifles you sold Sir Roger Majors and send back a hastily made bong to erase evidence of tampering.

Thanks for the idea though.

Carbandia would bite you (or something like that) if he saw you do that.
Since using 6.5 mm Arisaka-ish round was partly his idea...

I was mostly working on a 6.5 mm Remmington magnum.

And I have no idea what you'd gain by reverse engineering my gun...
As your mafia can't hope to make it any cheaper than I already do (at least, not with a profit)

You'd have better luck selling the taser...

Carbandia would bite you (or something like that) if he saw you do that.
Since using 6.5 mm Arisaka-ish round was partly his idea...

I was mostly working on a 6.5 mm Remmington magnum.

And I have no idea what you'd gain by reverse engineering my gun...
As your mafia can't hope to make it any cheaper than I already do (at least, not with a profit)

You'd have better luck selling the taser...

Most likely it is to sponsor Corporate Alliance Special Forces. I'll make a CA-member only viewable item so you can't scream foul.

Most likely it is to sponsor Corporate Alliance Special Forces. I'll make a CA-member only viewable item so you can't scream foul.

CA Special Forces eh?


Keep your men hidden, my GSG-9 will wipe them out faster than you can train them otherwise.

CA Special Forces eh?


Keep your men hidden, my GSG-9 will wipe them out faster than you can train them otherwise.

So what are the ballistic characteristics of the 6.5 x 55 Arisaka++?

So what are the ballistic characteristics of the 6.5 x 55 Arisaka++?

Surely you can't be serious?

That is a terribly old design, made by the Japanese military in 1897 for their infantry. It was made for the Type 22 Rifle, but upgraded in 1902 by the Imperial Navy for the Type 35 Rifle. It was upgraded again in the 1920s I believe for the Type 11 Light Machine Gun, and was again redesigned for the Type 97 Sniper Rifle. Now adays, I can go into the pawn shop down the road from my other house and buy a cartridge of those old things.


Or, the 6.5mm x 55 Arisaka is made for hunting rifles, and I can buy those from Swedish Mauser. But unforrunately, I can find only one 6.5 x 55, but the website constantly crashes when I tried to find out if it actually exists (Since I'd never heard of it before).

But here are the characteristics of the Arisaka round (Japanese, not Swedish)

All modern 6.5 x50s use Spitzer bullets (Pointed), fire a 139 grain round, and have a powder charge of 33 grains of powder for a muzzle velocity of 1,950-1,960 feet per second. The later rounds designed for the Type 97 have a decreased Powder charge for better concealment (And less muzzle flash), and for the Type 96 LMG. The Dutch eventually got their hands on a few of these, and converted them to 6.5 x 53 mm, and thats the extent of my knowlege on this weapon.

If you would like, I'll go to some fire arm junkie relatives of mine and ask them some more about it (My family loves guns, thats how I know this stuff :P)


And after doing a little research, I found that you can buy Swedish altered versions of the Arisaka through a company called Graff & Sons. But I've not gone to their website yet.

So far though, from what I've seen, a 55 mm model does not exist (At least not in any numbers)

and If I were you, I wouldn't waste my time with these rounds anyway. Go for Kinetic Energy Rounds, far more killing power. Just a tip of advice mate :)

The 6.5*55mm is the GASN's new standard round from what I hear. That quesiton was directed to Hurtful Thoughts.

The 6.5*55mm is the GASN's new standard round from what I hear. That quesiton was directed to Hurtful Thoughts.

Sorry then, you quoted me, so I assumed it was directed to me....for some odd reason.

Check ballistics of the 6.5 mm Remmington Magnum...

It was the world's first short magnum, and was way ahead of its time.

At first I didn't belive it, but the little devil outperformed even the .308 (7.62 x 51 mm NATO for you non-commercial thinkers)!

And with the bullet on, the thing is actually shorter than the Arisaka...

There are still teething issues whether to go for a 6.5 x 50 or a 55...

Oddly, as this is being read, the 6.5 is hitting the markets again, though it still is a cartridge mainly left to wildcatters...

It mostly failed because it could be outperformed by cartridges chambered for the 'long' 63 mm action, and didn't fit in the 'short' 51 mm action...

Source:
http://www.chuckhawks.com/6-5mmMag.htm

Among others: (http://www.gunsandammomag.com/gun_columns/notes/0503/)
The 6.5mm Rem. Mag. is again being factory loaded by Remington with a 120 grain PSP Core-Lokt bullet (SD .247) at a MV of 3,210 fps and a ME of 2,745 ft. lbs. Retained energy at 200 yards is 2056 ft. lbs., at 300 yards is 1,475 ft. lbs., and at 400 yards the 120 grain bullet still packs 1,177 ft. lbs. of energy.

Vs

7.62 x 51 NATO (http://www.chuckhawks.com/308Win.htm)
The 165 grain spitzer bullet is loaded to a MV of 2,700 fps and a ME of 2,679 ft. lbs. At 200 yards the velocity is 2,194 fps and the remaining energy is 1,763 ft. lbs.

The 180 grain spitzer bullet leaves the muzzle at 2,620 fps with 2,743 ft. lbs. of energy. At 200 yards it is traveling at 2,178 fps and has 1,898 ft. lbs. of kinetic energy.

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/gun_columns/notes/GAremington_061505A.jpg
(6.5 is at far left, at far right is the 7 mm Ultra Short mag)

And it was noted that unbelted modern remakes of this 40 year old cartridge are better still... (the 6.5 Rem Mag was introduced in 1966)
Essentailly, even people wearing type IV Body armor should be wary of the 6.5 Armor piercing bullet...

(I'll also note, that a runner up, a 6 x 51 mm, also outperfomed the NATO .308 from muzzle to over 800 meters)

Introducing something a bit small, but may improve that lil fat hunk of pipe some of your troops lug under (or over) their rifle barrels (yep, those add-on grenade launchers)

A long 40 mm triplex (not duplex) grenade.

40 x 203 mm grenade:
(for comparitive purposes, a 40x46 mm star shell for the M-203 is 133.2 mm long)
1st grenade: 40 mm HEDP
2nd grenade: 30 mm Flechette/Buckshot
3rd grenade: 30 mm Buckshot/Flechette

Shell is 203 mm long though, so it won't fit into a standard M-203, and since it shoots 3 grenades in one cartridge, MGs tend to try cycling in the middle of a 'shot'.

Works great on underbarrel though.

Its intended purpose is to quickly imobolize armored vehicle (by busting the tracks) while simultaniously removing the supportig enemy infantry, making either escape or further follow up attacks with true anti-tank weapons easier.

Max effective range between 100 and 200 meters (depending on terrain and loading)

[this is an attempt to give basic ATAP capability to a non-HM-320 recoil rated grenade launcher]

Another loading is pure AP, and is like firing a hybrid between a machinegun and a very large shotgun... And will stop any ambush flat. (something like 500 flechettes when the standard 40 mm onlys sends out 200... it is also a little shorter than the 40x203 mm grenade [about 155 mm long, so you might squeeze it into an M-203])

Do you want exclusive rights to sell or Michael Jackson-class Child Seeking missiles at your storefront?

Reich Defense Ministry

Do you want exclusive rights to sell or Michael Jackson-class Child Seeking missiles at your storefront?

Reich Defense Ministry

erm...

No, not really...

Would you like a grenade launcher?

OOC:
It seems you are loosing your OOC grip on reality, is there something wrong?

erm...

No, not really...

Would you like a grenade launcher?

No.

In other news.......... do you only sell to nations or do you also sell to private individuals........ (not not as in Michael Jackson.)

As directed through an anonymous person (not michael jackson)

2x THGs (Thermobaric Hand Grenades)
Cost: Cases of 1,000 for $2,000

$2000

1x 20 pound Thermobaric Demolition charge
Case of 500 for $5,000

$5000

1x MMP-1:
Infantry Counter artillery and recon plane
Model plane, two wireless cameras, improvised bomb racks, control unit
Comes with 10 Hand Grenades
Cost: $1K

For a grand total of 10k


This order would be repeated annually if you accept annual orders.

IC
Well, if a private indevidual would be buying the weapons,he better have a fairly sized pocketbook, and be willing to give a shipping address, along with paying up front (either in person or some lacky).

We are currently preparing your order to be shipped upon reciept of money and a shipping address to send it to.

Cost: $10,000 per year

(there has been talk of mounting an CCZ-75 (or similar) or an HM-320 armed with 40x203 mm triplex grenades to the MMP-1)

It also appears your country has devolved into a tribal system (which explains the order). If you'd like, we are willing to help the situation at no charge.

[Your GDP Per Capita: $28,220.09]
-69% income tax [19471.87]
Average income: 8,748.22 (W/o cost of living expenses)

Your buyer must be very rich indeed... the top 1% of your money makers...

BUy My Products

Please?

BUy My Products

Please?

OOC: No; you are mean to me. :(

I still have to say, your storefront is a bit 'clunky' and that comes from me, Mr. Confusing Storefront.

I mean I have no idea what the HT-500 and 600 series are and why they cost that much. I guess I should make that clear. Otherwise, it is a clean easy color coded interface.

OOC: No; you are mean to me. :(

I still have to say, your storefront is a bit 'clunky' and that comes from me, Mr. Confusing Storefront.

I mean I have no idea what the HT-500 and 600 series are and why they cost that much. I guess I should make that clear. Otherwise, it is a clean easy color coded interface.

Yep, I've been trying to fix that, especially the vehicles section, I've mostly been improving the small arms section, and I still have some items to link for the munitions section.

And only after that, can I take a can of Pine-sol and steel wool to polish up my armor s
section...

Mostly hoping the Small arms section will get some buyers.

The 600 and 500 are wheeled versions of the 100 and 200 series, based off the HT-5; 5-ton truck...
They didn't do too well, and I've never found either the time or need to develop a spec sheet just for them.
I'm tempted to just remove them, since nobody seems interested in wheeled APCs anymore.
And anybocdy can improvise a gun truck like the HT-601...

Random Delegate from Havvy

After looking through your wares, it seems we would like to buy 1,000 MPP-1s.

MMP-1:
Infantry Counter artillery and recon plane
Model plane, two wireless cameras, improvised bomb racks, control unit
Arms: 3 grenades
Speed: 60 knots
Endurance: 3 hours
Comes with 10 Hand Grenades
Cost: $1K

That equals out to $1,000,000.

We shall wire the money too you.

Also, can you possibly make an improvised version of the MMP-1 that has guns instead of grenades?

OOC: Also, sizes would help. The videos didn't help me.

Random Delegate from Havvy

After looking through your wares, it seems we would like to buy 1,000 MPP-1s.



That equals out to $1,000,000.

We shall wire the money too you.

Also, can you possibly make an improvised version of the MMP-1 that has guns instead of grenades?

OOC: Also, sizes would help. The videos didn't help me.

There is a link on the 'Name' of the item (in this case the MMP-1)
<Dang, link is broken... now I'll have to fix it... fixed... hmm, no scale...>
Closest RL approxomation (and original basis of design) (http://img.timeinc.net/popsci/images/aviation/avi0105barnaby_485x500.jpg)
Other (http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/systems/images/dragon-drone.jpg)

I trimmed the size down by about 25%, The video I stumbled upon later, and wondered if it would be of any use on an RPV, and the designs clearly don't look the same as the ones in the picture...
I'd estimate it would be a meter long/wide. And the whole unit (including fuel, control unit, and weapons load) could perhaps be worn like a backpack, at the exclusion of any other personal gear asside from web gear and personal items, and perhaps a small kit in something akin to a fanny pack/bondolier...
(Wings detach/fold to reduce width when carried)

Or you could do what the US Army would do, and strap it on the hood/internal overhead bin of a car/truck/tank...

MMP-1: (http://www.currell.net/graphics/fmx4.jpg)
Infantry Counter artillery and recon plane
Model plane, two wireless cameras, improvised bomb racks, control unit
Arms: 3 grenades
Speed: 60 knots
Endurance: 3 hours
Comes with 10 Hand Grenades
Cost: $1K

Any particular firearm you would plan upon fitting? A stripped down version could perhps carry roughly 3 to 4 pounds of munitions, the more usual load would be between 2 and 3 pounds.

Normal maximum transmission range is 30 nautical miles, this can be ramped up to 60 miles. Has IR/laser backup datalink in ECM heavy situations, imited to LOS+10 miles

One that shoots about 2 per second, and the bullets about the size of an inch long, and a half inch wide. If possible, make it so that the things the bullets come out of are part of the UAV itself. Oh, and 2-3 pound stockhold would be great. How many bullets would that be than, since I haven't looked into world of ammunition.

Now than, we would like a basic blueprint in a month, and a prototype to be tested within two weeks after the blueprint is made. We shall wait no longer than 2 months for a finished product.

You could call it the MMP-2.

We don't really have scientists in the art of weaponry, so we won't be able to give you any support in that area, but would a check of one million dollars be a good incentive to research the project?

Random Delegate

One that shoots about 2 per second, and the bullets about the size of an inch long, and a half inch wide. If possible, make it so that the things the bullets come out of are part of the UAV itself. Oh, and 2-3 pound stockhold would be great. How many bullets would that be than, since I haven't looked into world of ammunition. .

Now than, we would like a basic blueprint in a month, and a prototype to be tested within two weeks after the blueprint is made. We shall wait no longer than 2 months for a finished product.

You could call it the MMP-2.

We don't really have scientists in the art of weaponry, so we won't be able to give you any support in that area, but would a check of one million dollars be a good incentive to research the project?

Random Delegate

What you are requesting cannot be done to the current airframe without drastic changes, such as increased wingspan, and inherently, a larger rudder an longer fusalage for stability. The recoil of firing a .50 BMG esque cartridge at a rate of 120 RPM would also set a rather large strain on the plane. A .50 caliber A&E Desert Eagle could be fitted with a 15 shot clip... But such a design would prove far from satisfactory, based upon your requirements. Therefore, it does not merit starting weapons development, let alone funding, as it is currently viewed by this board that a .50 BMG, let alone 2, cannot be fitted to a man portable UAV

Though the plane could carry a single HAP-751 firing .308/7.62 x 51 mm NATO Armor piercing bullets. With a 40 shot box clip (similar to the one fitted to the RPK), and I would suggest only firing the weapon on semi-auto, the planes will be fitted with a simple sight bead for aiming. The gun would be fitted with its right side to the ground while slung on the racks, full automatic fire would push the plane down and to the right.

Alternately, the plane could be fitted with the HAP-1025 firing 10 mm magnum/.45 APC ammunition.

We could also redirect you to the UL-2000 Minion, it is a manned aircraft, but it can handle .50 BMGs, and is still small enough to be operated at company/batalion level.

OOC: You lost me at the second and third paragraph. Everything else I understood.

OOC: You lost me at the second and third paragraph. Everything else I understood.

Hurtian Assault Pistol, type 751 (7.62 x 51 mm)
And
Hurtian Assault Pistol, Type 1025 (10 x 25 mm, the same dimensions as the .45 and 10 mm pistol cartridge)

UL-2000 Minion is a small plane, capable of being operated by ground forces, requires little maintnance, but considerably less useful than an attack helicopter except in special situations.

Niether HuThArms Inc. nor PROHT Arms Ltd, shall waste your time nor money attempting to develop something they believe cannot be accomplished, simply by the virtue that you are requesting somthing that fires .50 BMG like a machine gun, and the lightest ones wiegh well over 50 Kg... When one considers that the MAX weapons load of an MMP-1 is 4 Kg... The 'MMP-2' would need to be made considerably larger...
(Think Predator/Global Hawk dimensions)

K... my mistake, there really is a .50 BMG pistol... more a novelty though... And it's single shot only...
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/4097/50bmghandgun1hk.jpg
Could go temporarily blind watcing a guy shoot like that...

Hurtian Assault Pistol, type 751 (7.62 x 51 mm)
And
Hurtian Assault Pistol, Type 1025 (10 x 25 mm, the same dimensions as the .45 and 10 mm pistol cartridge)

UL-2000 Minion is a small plane, capable of being operated by ground forces, requires little maintnance, but considerably less useful than an attack helicopter except in special situations.

Niether HuThArms Inc. nor PROHT Arms Ltd, shall waste your time nor money attempting to develop something they believe cannot be accomplished, simply by the virtue that you are requesting somthing that fires .50 BMG like a machine gun, and the lightest ones wiegh well over 50 Kg... When one considers that the MAX weapons load of an MMP-1 is 4 Kg... The 'MMP-2' would need to be made considerably larger...
(Think Predator/Global Hawk dimensions)

K... my mistake, there really is a .50 BMG pistol... more a novelty though... And it's single shot only...
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/4097/50bmghandgun1hk.jpg
Could go temporarily blind watcing a guy shoot like that...

What you are requesting cannot be done to the current airframe without drastic changes, such as increased wingspan, and inherently, a larger rudder an longer fusalage for stability. The recoil of firing a .50 BMG esque cartridge at a rate of 120 RPM would also set a rather large strain on the plane. A .50 caliber A&E Desert Eagle could be fitted with a 15 shot clip... But such a design would prove far from satisfactory, based upon your requirements. Therefore, it does not merit starting weapons development, let alone funding, as it is currently viewed by this board that a .50 BMG, let alone 2, cannot be fitted to a man portable UAV

Though the plane could carry a single HAP-751 firing .308/7.62 x 51 mm NATO Armor piercing bullets. With a 40 shot box clip (similar to the one fitted to the RPK), and I would suggest only firing the weapon on semi-auto, the planes will be fitted with a simple sight bead for aiming. The gun would be fitted with its right side to the ground while slung on the racks, full automatic fire would push the plane down and to the right.

Alternately, the plane could be fitted with the HAP-1025 firing 10 mm magnum/.45 APC ammunition.

We could also redirect you to the UL-2000 Minion, it is a manned aircraft, but it can handle .50 BMGs, and is still small enough to be operated at company/batalion level.

OOC: Quotes are upside down. Whoops.

Delegate

Alright, well than, can you double the size of this UAV without causing any loss in stability?

If so, could it hold around 16kg of ammo or load than?

If than answer to both is yes, could you build one like that, and stick 4 HAP-471 guns on it?

If not, than you could just send a MMP-1 with modifications for the HAP-471 and it's ammo.

OOC: If length is 4, width is 4, and depth is 4, you get 4^3 or 64units^3. Well, if you double each side, you get 8^3 or 512units^3. That would be able to hold way more than just four times normal carrying capacity if it works. It would be more expensive (4k instead of 1k).

Delegate
If not, than you could just send an MMP-1 with modifications for the HAP-471 and it's ammo.

OOC: If length is 4, width is 4, you get 4^2 or 16 units^2. Well, if you double each side, you get 8^2 or 64 units^2. That would be able to hold way more than just four times normal carrying capacity if it works. It would be more expensive (4k instead of 1k).

Doubling dimension not only quadrouples the wing area (roughly), it also x8 [octouples?]the empty mass of the plane... Fitting larger wings, and increasing rudder mass would be feasable, though it would now require 2 men to carry, and half the inreased load capacity is taken up with fuel in the low larger wings, giving it 5 hour endurance, and alows for a stronger transmitter, allowing max operating range of 120 miles from control unit.

The gun you plan upon fitting is still in question, but now you could fit an assault rifle or SMG... Or simply more ammunition, as 20 to 40 bullets would only last for a few strafe runs...

#fits the few modified MMP-5s with a HAP 751** and 75 round drum or 100 round Beta-C mag.#
(there already is an MMP-2 slated for PMT, and MMP-3 designation isn't used to prevent confusion with the PMM-3, or someting like that...)

*There are other models to choose from, and currently I am studying the possability of using the 6.5x55 AMAS in weapons chambered for 6.5x55 PROHT, including the HAP-655. [Long contrieved story behind it]

Notes:

The MMP-5 will NOT be man portable for small unit operatins, though it can be pack loaded with battalion headquarters units, where it is suggested they get their own truck...
There still is the issue for what gun you are going to use on this plane, as it will be a little bit more flimsy than the MMP-1 due to the natural stresses of a larger airframe. It is still doubious to mount a single shot .50 BMG pistol, and any other .50 cal pistol is no stronger than some well designed battle rifle cartridges, such as the 7.62 Soviet and 7.62 NATO...
The basic airframe is essentaily a scaled down FMX-6A (precurser of the FMA-6B) and inherently has a low RCS and IR signature (due to the small power source and slow speed, it'll look like a really bad decoy at best to the enemy, at worst, they won't even notice it)
The Larger rudder is better able to counteract the recoil of the gun, causing steadier strafe runs.
Larger load capacity allows carrage of HM-320 or an underbarrel grenade launcher in addition to a small firearm (see triplex 40 mm ammunition link in munitions page)
Further demands to improve upon the design shall be met with redirecting you to another storefront

OOC: Please add in a <snip> into quotes if you cut out parts. It confuses me when you do that. Also, it seemed you snipped out a part of the message that was key to your reply. Anyways, the rest is IC.

Alright, the stats for the MPP-5 looks good. Is it already built, and if so, do you know where I can order it? If not, could you start building one right away, and if possible, complete it in the same timespan as what I asked for the other MPP plan I had.

We will buy it for 4x the price if you make it, for 4,000,000 and give you 1,000,000 as an incentive to build it.

Use a gun that can go through most armor, and try to give it a good amount of ammo that it can hold.

Anyways, I got another message from Mr. Sophrone (leader of Havvy), and he has plans of some recon. planes that don't have any ammo. If possible, another modified version of the MPP-1 that doesn't really need a high speed (90 max, to keep up with cars), but has a good camera, that could send a message back to a place maybe 3 miles away from a recording area.

It would though, need a good minimum speed, and excellent maneuverability. It would be used for good public spying in cities, and could be sold to news companies for getting good broadcasting .

Also, it would need to be able to have good braking speeds, such as 40 to 0 in less than 200 feet, and be able to land on hilly surfaces very well, before being able to take off again if needed. Well, that'd be a bonus, and if it's currently infeasible, than the braking part can be ignored.

The MMP-5 will be given a larger motor of course, so maximum speed should be able to keep up with your land movements, and could easily outpace your troops once they are pinned by enemy fortifications and artillery bombardments.

A HAP-655 outfitted to fire either 6.5 mm ARAM KF (Kinetic Fragmation, APFJ) or 6.5 mm PROHT without any modifications or barrel changes should suffice, and as noted elsewhere, the 6.5 mm [from either design] exceds the 7.62 mm NATO in both accuracy, penetration, recoil (less) and fragmation.

In theory, the MMP-1 could land and take off in a distance of 3 meters when hand launched and any damage sustained during the operation is repaired. Self-launched drones have not been fully explored in this field, but considering that the MMP-5 will be considerably larger, hand launching shall not be feasable, though you can be assurd, the airframe this drone is designed off of has been noted for almost unsurpassed low speed handling even after a stall.

The base MMP-1 should be able to fulfill your secondary requirements for a city-spy in the sky, with weapons replaced with improved sensors or small external fuel tanks. These will be delivered first, and are suggeted to be used in the interim as we finish up construction of your drones.

You can expect the 500 MMP-1s and the 1500 HAP-655s and 500 HM-320s within 6 months, and the MMP-5s within the 6 months after, as we wouldn't want these planes failing yuo on the battlefield, though I will remind you, that developing, testing, producing, and shipping 1,000 MMP-5s within a year is going to set us on a rather tight schedual.

We are currently working with designers at HuThArms Inc to design, test, and manufacture the new aircraft, while we at PROHT Arms will see to it that you get your planes on time and undamaged.

If you have ANY standardized calibers, now would be a good time to tell us, as the MMP-5 may not have ready access to customized ammunition specific only unto itself.

1st shipmemt: (Weapons, and initial MMP-1s for secondaty role)
1,225,000
2nd Shipmemt: (the MMP-5s themselves)
4,000,000
R+D cost:
1,000,000

Total Cost:
$6,225,000

Agreed?

1st shipmemt: (Weapons, and initial MMP-1s for secondaty role)
1,225,000
2nd Shipmemt: (the MMP-5s themselves)
4,000,000
R+D cost:
1,000,000

Total Cost:
$6,225,000

Do you need this all at once?

The specs are good, not perfect, but good none-the-less. Thank you for being very patient.

Do you need this all at once?

The specs are good, not perfect, but good none-the-less. Thank you for being very patient.

The equipment shall be shipped as soon as the are built and paid for.

In increments of your choosing, 0% interest for 1 year.

20% per month.

(The time already passed for this, so I guess this could be considered a bump)

20% per month.

(The time already passed for this, so I guess this could be considered a bump)

Done.

Are you going to start stocking the MPP-5? Your company does have ownership of it.

It would only be fitting to expand your wares.

Well, what do you know, I'm actually buying the HT-101 after all this time...

The Ministry of Defence wishes to procure 13,000 HT-101 armoured vehicles to replace the multitude of BTRs and BMPs presently in service. We estimate the cost of this procurement to be roughly $7,800,000,000. Money is ready to be wired upon confirmation of procurement request. Civilian freighters are on standy to pick up the first vehicles already. We would like this order to be given as high a priority as possible.

Well, what do you know, I'm actually buying the HT-101 after all this time...

The Ministry of Defence wishes to procure 13,000 HT-101 armoured vehicles to replace the multitude of BTRs and BMPs presently in service. We estimate the cost of this procurement to be roughly $7,800,000,000. Money is ready to be wired upon confirmation of procurement request. Civilian freighters are on standy to pick up the first vehicles already. We would like this order to be given as high a priority as possible.

Denied.

All Corparte Alliance Associated vessels approaching any of our lands without our prior approval are subject to the international laws of piracy. And are subject to search and siezure of any illegal paraphanalia.

Secondly, supplying weapons to a nation allied with my enemies is not good diplomatic strategy.

Current CA roster: (If this is incorrect, please have it fixed)

Nations so far
Griffincrest Corporation, Blackhelm Confederacy
Toopoxican Organisation, Toopoxia
No Taxes
Beiraq
Spartanox
Royal Code
Aspen Investment Group, Siap
The Kraven Corporation
Sochatopian Manufacturing Corporation, Sochatopia
Helexeo
Zachyd
ArmsDiscounters Inc., Bonstock
RFF
Deserted Territories
The Rastoran Syndicate
31337 Soup
Maldorians
General Resources/Red Mafia, Leafanistan
Achmara
Blainesville
Rulan Industries Ltd., Ansuria
The Illyanic Commonwealth
8th Street Kings, Portland
Osteia
Snix is Truth
United Ed States
Emperor Nero
Skgorria
Atopiana
United Somalia
The Shin Ra Corporation
Foxton-Sunbury
Taleloron
Kasara
Soiyoden
Iragia
Honako
The Horned Rat
Soulforge Cathedral
Buddha C

OOC: Curse you and your memory! Fine, Leafanstani black market it is! I'll get my revenge :D . Just wait till an Iraigan HT-101 knock off goes up for sale!

IC:

To: PROHT
From: Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Subject: Refusal of Sale
Message:
It is a sad day that trade between our nations, intended to keep the freedom and democracy of Iragia protected against future imperial invasions like those of the war that tore our country asunder. It was the hope that our nations could co-exist peacefully, trade with one another, and become, if I daresay, friends, in spite of our choice of allies, as it is our hope with every nation. It is tragic that you will not allow this, and even more tragic that you threaten civilian shipping with theat of force.

To: PROHT
From: Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Subject: Refusal of Sale
Message:
It is a sad day that trade between our nations, intended to keep the freedom and democracy of Iragia protected against future imperial invasions like those of the war that tore our country asunder. It was the hope that our nations could co-exist peacefully, trade with one another, and become, if I daresay, friends, in spite of our choice of allies, as it is our hope with every nation. It is tragic that you will not allow this, and even more tragic that you threaten civilian shipping with theat of force.

To: Iragian Ministry of Foreign Affairs
From: HuThArms Inc.
Subject: Refusal of Sale

It shall be made clear, that even if we did provide you with said weapons, it could potentailly be considered aiding an enemy of GASN, and that cannot be allowed to happen.

We could, of course, force you to sign some rather hefty waivers, such as that you will not sell the weapons after purchase, and their use against current or former members would be considered use of a restricted weapon, such as nukes, and would be dealt with in a similar fashion.

Or sales representiives thought you woudn't accept such conditions while Universal Exports [which we know of their dealings on multiple levels] offers their own versions of said weapons at roughly the same price and without any constraints.

OOC: Curse you and your memory! Fine, Leafanstani black market it is! I'll get my revenge :D . Just wait till an Iraigan HT-101 knock off goes up for sale!
Not memory, just searched CA's roster for your name, it helped that you where also the last one to post on said thread when it showed up searching for new replies to the threads I've tagged...

Ah well, immitation is a form of flattery

Can I have more info on all the rail mounted weapons, like how big they are, how strong the rail road needs to be etc.?
Also I want production rights for all the air-delivered bombs.
Once I know about the rail cannons I'll put in an IC post.

Ah well, immitation is a form of flattery

Or is it the greatest form of thievery?

I bide my time, selling trinkets, soon my production capability will be like that of a strong nation.

Or is it the greatest form of thievery?

I bide my time, selling trinkets, soon my production capability will be like that of a strong nation.

A form of flatter, not the best.

It could also mean that there is no better design currently available, save for a few cosmetic details.

I planned on designing my weapons well from the begining, though I always leave some margin for improvement should someone copy the prototypes, and allows for variety through indiginous 'improvements'.

Oh, right, the railway guns...
...
...
My hard-copy sources and details are missing ATM, so it looks like I'll have to go hit the books and figure out what I was thinking when I designed them.

I recall looking at American 14" railway guns, Panama mounts, and a British 18" Howitzer when writing that stuff up, I doubled the rates of fire using the same reasoning that the Newport News (Des Moines Class Heavy Cruiser) could fire its 8" guns 4x faster than any WW1 cruiser armed with 8" guns.

I also recall looking at some experimental guns that had an 16" barrel married with another barrel and rocket assisted discarding sabot shells, and could send small 4 pound satalites into orbit (they actually built 2 of these things, go USA and crazy 1950-80's inventors)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_HARP

Bump

Cause people at NSD have yet to see that this front exists
(and I need the publicity, and the reminder to update this old thread to compete with Leaf's again)

FROM: DANTAG HEAVY INDUSTRIES CORPORATION

#OFFICIAL MESSAGE#

DANTAG Corporation wishes to ask,how much is this storefront worth and if you are intending to sell it?

We can offer you $5.500.000.000USD Up front

Thank You

Ernest Dantag,CEO DANTAG HEAVY INDUSTRIES CORPORATION

In response, the chairman of HuThArms, who at the time had some sense of humur, decided to respond with a video.

Enclosed in a plain yellow packet envolope, was a pistol, a bullet, a watch, blindfold, and a flash drive.

On the flash drive was a video, actually, a segment of an old movie...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Li65P_3lvM

Long awaited bump as I'm adding new stuff and cleaning out the old outdated scary stuf that scares away the sane people.

New aditions:
LAR-655E2 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10892498#post10892498), new competion rifle design against the Corprate Alliance BlocK of nations

*Posting to prove this is indeed an active storefront, I just don't actively market it...*

Please don't try buying rights the storefront.

The Workers Replubic of Nilpnt is interested in the following equipment

DPR for the Triplex Grenades
DPR for the 1,000 Lb FAE Bomb
DPR for the 2,000 Lb FAE Bomb
DPR for the 5 ton FAE Bomb

The total price of 80,003,000,000 will be wired upon confirmation.

Sold.

Expect the designs and associated tooling to arrive at your factories in about 3 months.

As a note though, you do realize the grenades are rather long, and have been known to involve high chamber/barrel pressure spikes and felt recoil. As such, People's Republic Of Hurtful Thoughts are not responsable for injuries or damages caused by misuse of the weapons menmtioned thereof?


I have read and agreed to the above statements:

Signature: _____________________________
Name (Print): _______________
Date: __/__/____
Cosign: ___________________
Date: __/__/____

OOC:
The Red Alliance looks like a good system, now you just need to find people who'd agree to join. Sorry, my country is the embodiement of Socialist-Capitalism gone corrupt.

I have read and agree to the statement of possible injury

General Mikeal Luke
Mikeal Luke
April 4 2008
High President Timothy Jacks
April 4 2008

(OOC: Socialist Capitalism? How?)

(OOC: Socialist Capitalism? How?)
State-run capitalism.

Original train of thought:
True/pure idealogical communism is almost a form of anarchy where everyone shares everything, about as leftist as you can get, think hippies, including the 'free love'.
(See Kampfers for details)

It mostly hoped that human beings could be conditioned to live peacefully, but such generally only appears in fiction. (Thankfully, this is fiction, and leftist communism is a quite frequent utopian theme)

Most attempts to reach this 'communist Nirvana' are via socialism, fascism, or pure capitalism. And a very heavy-handed use of secret police/thought-police.* (1984 outlines what such a transition would look like in later stages)
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Depends on you definition of 'capitalist', I was using that of the USSR, which pretty much was everyone except China and Korea...

There are various working classes based upon occupation and supply-demand and an expoitive upper class in control of economic "capital", or the means of economic production/growth.

In this case, it is the government. Not untirely sure if I'd fit my country under Socialist or Fascist, the later would be more correct, considering my nation's human rights policies...

To: PROHT Storefront
From: John Brokquent, Minister of Defence.

Greetings Comrade, you know the world better than most do, and you DO know of the threat that is modern radical capitalism, so you know of the need to be able to produce the weaponry that is used by a socialist nation to defend itself from this threat, enough said.

We are requesting the rights for the following weapons to be produced for Nilpntze use only:

HM-320 Under barrel grenade launcher (Can this fire the triplex grenades?)(No DPR price, does 150 billion sound okay?)
MC-36 36" siege artillery (TG? Thank God? oh and 500 billion for dpr sound okay?)
Thermobaric Hand Grenades
20 pound Thermobaric Demolition charge

The total Price of 650,007,000,000 will be wired upon confirmation.

Peace be with you, if not may death work for you.
John Brokquent

OOC: TG = Telegram
there's also a SP version... Think Uber-Tulpan, except the breach goes into the FC, transfers recoil directly onto the ground (no recoil gear = shakes bad), short barrel (wieght issues) and is muzzle loading only.

Mortar Carriers
HTM-136
Über Mortar Carrier
Really big mortar, hinged so that it my be stowed inside, no ammo accomodations inside, can carry up to 11 rounds, 10 strapped to hull and one in the gun. May fire aft from stowed position in emergency (likely to cause damage to launch vehicle though).
DPR not worth it unless you wanted more than 10,000 of them... (And would be in addition to production costs, and obsolete gear is generally sold at discount as long as stocks last)
*I should really modify the price listings to denote surplus, materials costs, and DPR...*

IC:
HM-320 DPR is $15 million, though weapons production cost, (raw materials only, and excludes labor costs) runs around 75$ each. $150 Billion would afford you an awful lot of these! (About 2 billion to be a bit more precise, allowing literally one to be issued to EVERY soldier even after complete mobolization) But then you'd need ammunition...

So that would bring DPR purchase to $22 million, plus cost of the mortars,

The SP siege mortars, although out of production, and in limited quantities, we have found little practicle use for them ourselves. We'd be willing to part ways with up to 112 of them (from a production run of 150) @ ~1.5 million each plus S&H. We also have a pair that were retro-fitted into phallic bongs... We'll offload those for free...

I'm pretty sure that if it can handle the heavier charge of a mortar primer, that it can handle the multiple smaller charges of the Hurtian Triplex. Though recoil is still liable to cause injury, and accuracy isn't anything worth bragging about...

Faxing certificates.

Well I only need design rights for the gun its self, since it will be placed on a rotating platforms of some sort to add to me defensive lines, providing another death defying obstacle for nations invading me, I need huge firepower (Big shells= major death) to stop invaders from using the land bridges to cross into my nation, forcing them to use the water thus making defence easier, and as for the factor of obseletion a couple million dollars to design a modernization package really shouldn't be a problem.

IC:
Nilpnt has plenty of money to spend, and we love to be generous, espically when said nations has been generous to us (When you got Greston off of me), we also feel it is necessary to provide retarded amounts of money where we really don't have to, because its got to go somewhere eventually, so 150 billion sounds fine to us.

We accept your offer of 112 mortors, at the price of 168,000,000USD plus another 5 million for S&H, as for the Triplex grenades there is no worry about major injury for our battle suits protect from the damaging recoil.

(OOC: Phallic bongs huh, pot head, no worries me too)

OOC: Actually, the bongs were a resault of sending them off to Leafanistan for trials...

Greston just was having issues with... um... nevermind...

Best modernization idea I had was to fit a removable/QC railgun "barrel" on the end, and attach power-packs to the gun (in the form of an additional "ammo truck") for far PMT... Which may have allowed me to move the decimals over a bit...
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IC:
The mortars are considered obsolete because they had very little range, took most of the day to set up, the shells were almost as hard to move as the gun itself, and that missiles generally did a better job faster. The SP mount only gave it slightly better cross country mobility and "shoot+scoot" capability at a noiceable cost.

~80 of the mortars are Self-propelled, since we didn't bother removing them from their current mount and re-building fixed mounts for them.

You could mount them on railways and set up 'panama mounts' for them.

Quality control was a bit lax, but you can generally expect the SP versions to lob shells 1.5 km (no accuracy) and the LB fixed mounts to shoot 2 km with reasonable precision...

Farmers of Yanitaria:

Needs moar steam aircraft.

Farmers of Yanitaria:
Needs moar steam aircraft.
OOC: Yeah, it's already there, I just haven't gotten a confirmed bit on where the statnlock would look like from NSD, and it lacks interest in the R+D department.

Hopefully I can get an RP up involving said plane trying to beat a few NS-records, and/or compete against planes of a similar vien to gain interest.
(Because my size and slow post-rate in war RPs scares newer users, angers the oldies, and most o-the folks I RP with either don't use diplomacy/non-mil or they don't tell me when they do such things, which makes me sad*)

In the meantime, I'm bumping this monster, because recent inactivity has allowed many users to forget of my senseless existance.

For those new to this thread, there's an interesting (and somewhat original) Assault-rifle design on page 2.

As for the steam-plane, it's gonna be huge, think spruce-goose kind of huge...

Oh, right, this is a bump, even though I still have "clean up storefront and/or remove wanky designs" on my "to do list"

And yes, I responded to an IC post with OOC, because it is merely an OOC disguised as such.

*Now look what you've done! You've made my pet emo cry!

The Latican Imperium wishes for rights to the Heavy Airborne HT-101E8.

The Latican Imperium wishes for rights to the Heavy Airborne HT-101E8.

Oh dear...
That's the one with the 105 mm soft-recoil gun mount, right?

You may want to know there are limitations IIRC, such as the hieght prevents loading in transport aircraft with turret attached, even though a heavy-lift heli (capable of being carried as well, hopefully) could lift the turret into position while afield, this is a limitation worth mentioning.

It also has no armored turret basket, limited capacity (~15 rounds plus 20 rds or 2 dismounts), increased fuel consumption, and though it can be up-armored, such must be done afield and renders it non-amphibious.

In short, I nerfed it but haven't bothered to update.

On the upside, it can be dropped by parachute /w/ crew inside, and it can be amphibious (although thin skinned and with only skeleton crew/ammo), and it can take hits from autocnnons/RPGs (at exclusion of swimming/paradrop capability).

Still, if you need a real light tank (on a budget), it'll do.
Oh, and it lacks autoloader...

And a Hurtian "patriot missile" is realy just a rolling airframe missile...

If you're still willing, and willing to sacrifice ~150 million USD, sure, we'll send you the prints, manuals, and some factory jigs to get you started, along with a "spare parts kit" to speed things along.

How much does it weigh?

IIRC, I made the suspension capable of up-armoring the tank's mass to 125-175% of normal airdrop-wieght of ~18 tons (/w/ turret). This came at cost of increased maintnance issues, but it is also what allows her to be safely airdropped with crew (provided everything works).

So it could wiegh anywhere between 15 (empty and w/o turret) to 30 tons (max loading for land travel).

Going over 20 tons kinda starts putting the lag on, hard... Requiring drivers to anticipate what they'll do in order to prevent "accidents" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc5tDpwjMGU).

So a single one should be carry able by a single Sikorsky CH-53E Super Stallion?

So a single one should be carry able by a single Sikorsky CH-53E Super Stallion?

Not quite, the lift-hook/cables are only rated for up to 15 tons, and it's too short to fit a fully assembled light-tank inside the cabin.

That's the big limitation.

Though some of my fellows have found an 'interesting' way around that.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13303487&postcount=128
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13402260&postcount=141