NationStates Jolt Archive

after a long design process that spanned 600+ posts we've finnaly finished revising the design and this is what we came up with.if you want one of these massive ships,to bad!I am building 12 of these (6 for me 6 for Asbena)


Habbakuk-
class iceberg carrier
draft 100 feet
diplacement
1.5 million
hull
1,500 feet long
250 feet wide
power
8 Nuclear Batteries driving 70 waterjets
top speed
32 kts
armerments
20 dual-barrelled 4.5" DP guns
50 quad 40 mm(computer controled)
250 quad .50 cal (computer controled)
50 sam launchers
250 planes
200 vls missle cells
armor
40 feet of pykrete(very bounant so wieght is not a problem)
20 inches of steel directly attached to the inner frame of the ship
equipment
refirgeration equipment
radar
sonar
fire control computer

I like to order 5

Habbakuk- i will give u 600billion for 5 of these ships

I like to order 5

Habbakuk- i will give u 600billion for 5 of these ships

to bad. i no longer sell these.

Price? Draft? Displacement?

OOC: How on Earth do you cram that many weapons onto a ship that's only 400 feet longer than the Enterprise carrier...those must be really small SAM launchers and absolutely tiny 4.5" guns...Not to mention that a craft that's only that size can not carry 1000 planes...

OOC: Aye. 101, tone it down a little.

I just have one question... how can a 1500 foot carrier hold 1000 planes!?!?!

i'm not selling these i made the mistake of trying to when i posted this origanaly.

I just have one question... how can a 1500 foot carrier hold 1000 planes!?!?!

OOC: Yes, 101 TONE IT DOWN! Even with Plane elevators it can't hold that much!

"Plane elevator" it stacks planes and the planes are VTOL so they need less take off space so you can fit more.

OOC: Nor can it supply them, and hold personnel for them, and it can certainly not do that while housing the abolsutely crazy amount of weaponry it does...

ok i will down size sme of these stats. how many lnaes should i put.

"Plane elevator" it stacks planes and the planes are VTOL so they need less take off space so you can fit more.

Stacks planes?!? If you stack one plane on top of another I guarantee that neither will work when you take them off.

Just because they are VTOL, doesn't mean you can fit hundreds more. It means you can fit a few more on the deck.

Price as in how much it cost you.

200' draft = impossible to take anywhere near the coasts = useless ship.

Stacks planes?!? If you stack one plane on top of another I guarantee that neither will work when you take them off.

Just because they are VTOL, doesn't mean you can fit hundreds more. It means you can fit a few more on the deck.

ask Pythogria it was his idea...

ok i will down size sme of these stats. how many lnaes should i put.

Maybe 175...

If you've got 175 planes, that amount of weaponry for a ship of comparable size is nuts...

please explain how the average superdreadnaught can carry 200-300 planes but this can't hold 200?

If you've got 175 planes, that amount of weaponry for a ship of comparable size is nuts...

It certainly can't hold the weaponry that has been outlined either.

SDs are trimaran - three hulls means room for more planes. It'd be a bit difficult to make an iceberg carrier trimaran...

please explain how the average superdreadnaught can carry 200-300 planes but this can't hold 200?

It is pretty easy to explain. Watch:

An average super dreadnaught is over two times larger than this...

edit: not to mention that the average SD does not have an air compliment of 300... heck... two hundred is about the max. They have so much weaponry that they can't hold a billion aircraft.

...or have that much armor...40 feet of armor???!?!?!

if i could add in here his carrier might might be multi deck oh wait no its not total god mod my carrier is multi decked and the size of the Harry S. Truman but it can only carry over 200 craft

what everybody seems to forget is that this was suppose to 4000 feet long when i designed it!

So?

what everybody seems to forget is that this was suppose to 4000 feet long when i designed it!

Because the stats you put up are for a 1500 foot ship. We don't care about the past because you won't be using the past in your RPs...

and if you do ill sink it with one of my 12 torpedo tube subs

You should propose this to that Godmod Storefront...

OK everyone, due to the incredible amount of discouragement involving this, I am announcing the following:

Pythogria was never involved with this, and I do not own ANY of these.

thats why i make my own stuff

you will regret this.

Was that aimed at me?

what you going to do invade us you will get pwned

Was that aimed at me?
yes you'll regret it when i have 16 of these and kicking but.

what you going to do invade us you will get pwned

I'll hve to second that.

Now, 101, I do NOT hve anything against you personally. It's just that if 98% of the forum calls this a godmod, I do not wish to be involved.

you invade him you will have the full force of the spit break navy on you

you will regret this.
Ha! I'll quash you like a bug when you invade!

yes you'll regret it when i have 16 of these and kicking but.

Now, really, you're going to attack me eh? yes, you'll really kick butt when exposed to thermite missiles and thermonuclear warheads.

yes you'll regret it when i have 16 of these and kicking but.

Just a note (not an attack): that statement is pretty noobish in context.

Just a note (not an attack): that statement is pretty noobish in context.
And how will he have 16 of them...

i bet he doesn't even have the money to build one

Actually, he can build plenty, given the current price ,but that price is FAR too cheap. Really, though, I'm getting 500 ICBMs. All loaded with thermite. And I can buy more. We're all safe.

i bet he doesn't even have the money to build one

He can easily make em.

I'll just slag his carriers with cruise missiles from ships 200 miles away...and seeing how his carrier really can't move that fast, I won't be in any harm...

every one invade! sink that ship

No, he is no threat. Leave him.

OOC:Relax guys... It's his first shot at something new and unexpected...
101, If you really want to try some new and unexpected Idea, or just post some design of yours and see what needs to be fixed without being harrassed about it, go here (http://s13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?act=idx)to the NS draft room, where there are people willing to give you constructive criticisms about your designs, and help you become a successful designer of NS products...(this doesn't mean they'll always sell, but oh well...)

OOC:Relax guys... It's his first shot at something new and unexpected...
101, If you really want to try some new and unexpected Idea, or just post some design of yours and see what needs to be fixed without being harrassed about it, go here (http://s13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?act=idx)to the NS draft room, where there are people willing to give you constructive criticisms about your designs.


OOC: Hey, he threatened invasion.

OOC: Hey, he threatened invasion.
Exactly true. And I've reacted much worse before to threats...

OOC: Hey, he threatened invasion.
show me where s/he says "I'm gonna invade you" all I see is "you'll regret this when I have 16"

show me where s/he says "I'm gonna invade you" all I see is "you'll regret this when I have 16"

OOC: Still, it is a threat. Threats don't need to be, "I'm invading you".

show me where s/he says "I'm gonna invade you" all I see is "you'll regret this when I have 16"
What do you think "You'll regret this" means? It's a veiled threat. We aren't n00bs here.

OOC: Still, it is a threat. Threats don't need to be, "I'm invading you".
OOC:Umm... OK... even so he may have threatened you, he didn't say he would invade you. There's a distinct difference between actions and words.... and I'm just trying to help the guy out...
EDIT: I think that statement was OOC too... so it means nothing ICly...

OOC:Umm... OK... even so he may have threatened you, he didn't say he would invade you. There's a distinct difference between actions and words.... and I'm just trying to help the guy out...
A threat implies action. You don't threaten just to say words. You threaten in intimidation. Hence, the intimidated threatens back.

OOC:Umm... OK... even so he may have threatened you, he didn't say he would invade you. There's a distinct difference between actions and words.... and I'm just trying to help the guy out...

OOC: Now, I'm not invading him. IC, it is perfectly understandable his president/geand puba/whatever is angry.

Now, he had an idea. It didn't go over well. It didn't work. Life goes on.

OOC:Umm... OK... even so he may have threatened you, he didn't say he would invade you. There's a distinct difference between actions and words.... and I'm just trying to help the guy out...
EDIT: I think that statement was OOC too... so it means nothing ICly...

A response to an OOC threat that would occur in ICly is still valid.

OOC: The statement was IC. If it was OOC... that's a personal attack. Slight, yes, but still.

A response to an OOC threat that would occur in ICly is still valid.

Actually it wouldn't unless it was IC.

OOC: Now, I'm not invading him. IC, it is perfectly understandable his president/geand puba/whatever is angry.

Now, he had an idea. It didn't go over well. It didn't work. Life goes on.
OOC: Exactly, so let's help him out... which is why I suggested the draftroom. and DMG, as I remember, OOC and IC are two totally different realms, and you're really not supposed to carry info from one to another, as one person may alert an enemy of his that he is attacking, but the enemy would only know OOCly... and the person would be doing it out of courtesy, so it really wouldn't be valid to carry it over...

There is no proof that was OOC at all...in fact, to me it looks IC.

Actually it wouldn't unless it was IC.

No... the thread might have been made OOCly, but the vehicle to carry out the threat would be ICly. So an OOC response of IC action is perfectly fine.

OOC: DMG, as I remember, OOC and IC are two totally different realms, and you're really not supposed to carry info from one to another, as one person may alert an enemy of his that he is attacking, but the enemy would only know OOCly... and the person would be doing it out of courtesy, so it really wouldn't be valid to carry it over...

That is why he replied to the threat OOCly. He did start an invasion based on the OOC knowledge.

No... the thread might have been made OOCly, but the vehicle to carry out the threat would be ICly. So an OOC response of IC action is perfectly fine.
That's fine, at least discussing it is, but not an IC response to an OOC action...

Actually, my reply to the threat was IC, the same as the threat itself.

Actually, my reply to the threat was IC, the same as the threat itself.
...as was mine. The threat was IC, not some OOC remark.

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*sigh* OOC threats do not need to be taken ICly. Just so you know.

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*sigh* OOC threats do not need to be taken ICly. Just so you know.

OOC: I know that. The threat he issued was IC.

While his design maynot be feasible his idea is.

"You will regret this" can mean a flurry of things, from economic embargoes, refusal to sell things to you, cut off in diplomatic relations. Who are you to predict his thoughts?

A threat implies action. You don't threaten just to say words. You threaten in intimidation. Hence, the intimidated threatens back.If threats always imply action then everyone who ever threatened to hurt, shot, or otherwise maim a person would be in prision for assualt, battery or murder. Words =/= Actions

A response to an OOC threat that would occur in ICly is still valid.An IC response to an OOC threat is not valid, that's breaking the lines between IC and OOC which is looked down upon

Now, he had an idea. It didn't go over well. It didn't work. Life goes on.Yes, he had an idea, people who responded did not have the proper knowledge, it can and would work, live with it.

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*sigh* OOC threats do not need to be taken ICly. Just so you know.
*Lord* it was an IC THREAT!!!

An IC response to an OOC threat is not valid, that's breaking the lines between IC and OOC which is looked down upon

I did not notice it was an IC response.

Either way, this argument is stupid and I am bowing out of it.

*Lord* it was an IC THREAT!!!

See who I was responding to. :O

*Lord* it was an IC THREAT!!!
No, it was not. And even if it was, threats =/= actions

No, it was not. And even if it was, threats =/= actions

Seconded.

Why don't we just end this whole debate?

No, it was not. And even if it was, threats =/= actions
Yes, it was. And you may be all pacifist, but I'm not.

Yes, it was. And you may be all pacifist, but I'm not.
Nope, not an IC post. And I'm far from pacifist, maybe I just have more tolerance, but who knows?

Why don't we just end this whole debate?
Exactly, everyone just drop it, and let 1010102 go to the draftroom and try his designs out there...
A link once again to draftroom (http://s13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?act=idx)

Nope, not an IC post. And I'm far from pacifist, maybe I just have more tolerance, but who knows?
It was an IC post to me. Maybe not to you. And no, I'm not tolerant. Whether that be OOC or IC. And I'm proud of that fact.

It was an IC post to me. Maybe not to you. And no, I'm not tolerant. Whether that be OOC or IC. And I'm proud of that fact.
Still not an IC post or an IC threat, not even to you. Just cause someone is angry at you and says "You will regret this" and you're made at them does not make it an IC threat at your convience.

Never said you had to be, it just helps a bit with all the people out there. And pride has been many people's downfall.

Still not an IC post or an IC threat, not even to you. Just cause someone is angry at you and says "You will regret this" and you're made at them does not make it an IC threat at your convience.

Never said you had to be, it just helps a bit with all the people out there. And pride has been many people's downfall.

Ya. Seconded again for truth.

He says we'll regret it when he's got 16 and is "kicking but". That could very well be IC. If it's OOC, he should distiniguish it as OOC.

And it's common knowledge that nice men end up last...

He says we'll regret it when he's got 16 and is "kicking but". That could very well be IC. If it's OOC, he should distiniguish it as OOC.

And it's common knowledge that nice men end up last...
That could mean anything, he could actually substaniate embargoes, or maybe that you'll be jealous of him and his "butt kicking economy".

And that could go both ways, if it's IC he should say it's IC, if it's OOC he should say so.

And no, they don't, and I can prove that.

He says we'll regret it when he's got 16 and is "kicking but". That could very well be IC. If it's OOC, he should distiniguish it as OOC.

And it's common knowledge that nice men end up last...

It was OOC talking about IC. Its not an IC action.

That could mean anything, he could actually substaniate embargoes, or maybe that you'll be jealous of him and his "butt kicking economy".

And that could go both ways, if it's IC he should say it's IC, if it's OOC he should say so.

And no, they don't, and I can prove that.
1) His economy ain't butt-kicking.
2) This is an IC thread, not an OOC thread.
3) Quite often they do, actually. Augustus, Ramses, Trajan, Richard I, Charlemagne, Lenin, Bismarck...not nice men.

1) His economy ain't butt-kicking.
2) This is an IC thread, not an OOC thread.
3) Quite often they do, actually. Augustus, Ramses, Trajan, Richard I, Charlemagne, Lenin, Bismarck...not nice men.
1) Not yet, could be, mine was horrible, now look at it
2) So, I'm making OOC post, you are, so can he. Not much of an IC thread anymore
1) George Washington, George Washington Carver, The Wright Bros (well, one of them), me, everyday people, Alexander The Great, Benjamin Franklin, Teddy Roosevelt

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