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Montana Island Disputes Flare...
A little island 111 miles north-east of San Haven has become the centre of Disputed between Los Mexico & San Haven. The small island called Montana Island is San-Haven Territory but is situated in International Waters. Diplomatic Relations have hit an all-time low as Talks fail. Despite the large dominant Military Size of San Haven & the small Forces of Los Mexico, Los Mexico will not back down easy. The Island has a population of 67,538 with around 19% being native San-Havenese. The island is known for producing world-class fruits & coffee beans and plays a large part in the economy counting for about 29% of San-Havens Agriculture. Los Mexico has denied sending naval & air forces to within 10 miles of the island, but Home-Land Security's Survellience has picked up around 30 naval vessels including Air-Craft Carriers close to Montana Island. Diplomatic Officials are working-around the clock to prevent war & failure of Relations between the two nations. Despite being a peace-full nation, tens of naval vessels & hundreds of Aircraft have moved within 25 miles of the island. The island has three bases (Army,Air & Navy). The entire numbers of Defence personal on the island is 2,900.

The dispute come about when, San-Haven began moving in Customs & Coast-Guard vessels & personall to the island to prevent Drugs from reaching the island from other nations. With Vessels with Missile-Capablilites & Weapons, the Los-Mexican Government believed it was not nessesary & it would not tolerate such acts. However the Government of San-Haven would not back-down in order to prevent drugs from reaching our population. Was that a fair-deal?

What should we do?
Please do not attack them, we will try all-we can to prevent war. You can give advice to either nation! No Violence at this point!

We outnumber them in Army & Air, but they have the largest Navy in the region. They outnumber our vessels 5 to 1!

Loosing this island will affect our economy, it will leave the population hating us, thus ensuring a sour-relationship!

We outnumber them in Army & Air, but they have the largest Navy in the region. They outnumber our vessels 5 to 1!

Loosing this island will affect our economy, it will leave the population hating us, thus ensuring a sour-relationship!

Damn Staight! However we wish to peacefully obtain our island back. It does not belong in any way to us other than geographically! Is situated 60 miles closer to us than you & is in our waters! Sour-Relationship? Well, i suppose if we do not get Montana Back! We need it for the resources & you need it for the fertile lands & we officially own it but do not control it! We must resolve this another way! We both can't get want we want without war!

As for the Navy! More like 8 to 1! I am sending a furthur 10 frigates to join those already near-by. Our entire Air Force is on stand-by if needed (We admit its a small air-force!). This is not a threat of War!

As for the Navy! More like 8 to 1! I am sending a furthur 10 frigates to join those already near-by. Our entire Air Force is on stand-by if needed (We admit its a small air-force!). This is not a threat of War!

Threat? Well, since were both trying peaceful ways, i wont take it as one!
However we outnumber your air-force around 20 to 1! Take that into account, before sending more frigates or whatever. In case this leads to war, i suggest using Anti-Air weaponry! You will need it for defence!

Ok, please list the major reasons you want the island for!
We need it for the economy, tourism & for the geographic maps!

Hundreds of Aircraft were at the ready. F-14, F-18s, Mirage's & Mig 21s were flying above the waters of San-Haven! Thousands more of Elite Aircraft could enter into a possible war! A small patrol consisting of Mirage 2000's noticed several frigates entering the waters nearby Montana Island. They also noticed an Artillery Unit moving west towards the mountains. Was this just a excerise or the real thing?

OCC: Not a threat, in case, just some-thing to prevent war!

Yet anther patrol witnessed the same events. However it noticed unusual activity from a Los-Mexican Destroyer. The pilot went lower to get a better glimpse. He noticed that a Los Angles Class Attack Submarine was trailing it! Who was this Sub? What was it doing?

Northford, being an Island nation, reconises the position of both countries involved. It is prepared to host a summit to deal with it, should both parties be interested.

Northford, being an Island nation, reconises the position of both countries involved. It is prepared to host a summit to deal with it, should both parties be interested.

Ok! You can either make a thread (TG Me, with the address) or just host it on this thread! We will allow others to influence us but we dont want to much of it, because its between Los Mexico & Myself. We must solve it between ourselves!

From: Moantha
To: San Haven
Subject: Montana Island
The government of Moantha suggests you hold a plebiscite in order to determine which nations the inhabitant of the island would prefer to belong to. Provided both nations agree to abide by the people's decisions, Moantha is quite willing to oversee the plebiscite.

From: Moantha
To: Los Mexico
Subject: Montana Island
The government of Moantha suggests you hold a plebiscite in order to determine which nations the inhabitant of the island would prefer to belong to. Provided both nations agree to abide by the people's decisions, Moantha is quite willing to oversee the plebiscite.

FROM: President Darius A. Shulze

My government is in firm belief that the island is rightfully San Havens and we will believe nothing less than this. We hope the two nations can resolve this issue peacefully.

Sincerely,
Darius A. Shulze

To: San Haven

From: Pythogria

Re: Los Mexico

Text:

Pythogria believes that you should attempt to solve this diplomatically first. We believe the island is yours, and should remain that way. Ask, no... TELl them to back down one last time. If they don't, give them one more warning. If they still don't back down, it's time to declare war. Not a total, kill-them-all war, just a protect-our-island one. If they atttack you after that... it is time to invade them. If you need help in any of this, we'd be glad to help.

Ok, thanks for all the support so far!

Currently i am considering this, with this:

The island Montana is to to be part of Los Mexico, while San Haven's citizens can have a joint-citizenship. We also will try to invest into the fertile lands.

No military moves have been made by either nation so far, so its going alright!

So how about that proposal?

I seem to like your idea! Hand the island back to its rightful owner! So the land has potential value as far as Investment is concerned. However since you (San Haven) will loose some percentage of your economy & will need to boost it back up, we are prepared to allow you to invest into our lands. We have large areas (around 33&) that is very fertile land. You could even set-up your own companies & services & grow whatever fruits you want!

To Los Mexico:

As for the drugs an International Customs Task Force could deal with it!

Ok. Your fertile lands can help us! We are willing to trade you weaponry for it!

[OOC: I'd like to be involved if this RP only stays between a few people...]

STATEMENT OF HM GOVERNMENT
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Her Majesty's Government fully supports the friendly nation of San Haven. We acknowledge their claims upon Montana Island and therefore we state that under international law, these Island belong to San Haven. We are willing to support their claim economically and military.

Whether the islands once belonged to Los Mexicos is not really relevent - what is relevant is that they are the property of the San Haven Government in the political sense and must remain that way. Furthermore, it is clear that Los Mexicos is using San Haven's recent police buildup to transfer military forces on the island to try and put pressure upon the San Haven Government.

We believe the proposal put forward by San Haven was done so under military pressure by Los Mexicos. Such acts are not diplomatic agreements, but military agreements. The United Kingdom, therefore, will support San Haven if it chooses to do nothing, although we also support your wise diplomatic efforts to try and contain the problem.

If diplomacy fails, the United Kingdom will defend its fellow nation and its rightful territory.

Thank you,
Signed Foreign Minister Sir John Deltborough [/i]

The dispute continues, but had settled a lot. Los Mexico is willing to accept it from us in return for us investing a heap into the islands economy. However if that fails, a conference will be held.

No military efforts are needed at this stage. We are not under military pressure!

Official Message
Who ever claimed the Island in question first- has the sole rights to it.

To San Haven- if you stole in from Los Mexico, then you have no rightful claim to the island and Los Mexico is well within his rights to reclaim what was rightfully his. If, your worried about your economy by losing the island- we would be glad to establish trade relations with you and provided you with economic assistion. However, if the Island was claimed by you first- then we will support you both militarly and economicly in protecting your claim.

To Los Mexico- If you have no legal claim to Montana- ie you claimed it after San Haven- then you have no legal right to it. However, if as stated above you owned the Island first and was official consider part of your territory and San Haven stole it from you- then we will support you both militarly and economicly in reclaiming land that was wrongfully taken from you. Note: If you sold the Island and thereby the claim to it to San Haven- then you forefit your legal claim to it.

In closing- We can not stress this enough- who ever was the orginial owner of Montana we will support them in their claim, even if it means war.
End Official Message

Although i have no military forces of my own or experience i would like to submit a proposal on this issue. The orginal claimer should have it back! Thats all there is to it!

Perhaps i could administer the island until its handed back to its orginal claimer! C'mon your both CAP nations! Peace is the motto!

I have concluded that the island was originally claimed by use. Los Mexico has no right to it, but geographically it is part of Los Mexico.

We shall give up the island to them so it belongs to their geographical map. Its there territory! Until they get it back, Toraqauy shall administer the island until the San Haven citizens leave. All San Haven Military will leave the island in the next 48 hours.

All military have left, but Government Satelites have picked up large numbers of military personall & equipment! A war?

We will report later on the issue!

This island have long been disputed but San Haven controlls it! Despite each nation loosing casualites to the other we both are still strong allies!

University Students have researched the island & believe that both nations should surrender the island to Small Bro Toraquay dispite the island being geographically part of Los Mexico

Meanwhile we continue to monitor the situation. We have no problem giving it up, but its use as a major military build-up concerns us!

I will not accept an island (s) that belong to a foregin nation. Los Mexico is entitled to it 100%. As a CAP Member i am saying that Los Mexico should remove Such forces from the island only using it for a small naval base or coastguard HQ. There are several nations although bigger than Los Mexico threatened by such an act!

Please remove such forces!
Perhaps i could be backed to enforce that only 1.5% of the LM forces are allowed on the island, so we do not feel threatened!