NationStates Jolt Archive

American Economy, and example.

Agriculture - Good (South), Moderate (Interior), Moderate/Poor (North)
Industry - Moderate/Good (North-East, Midwest), Poor (South), Horrible (Interior)
Natural Resources - Very Good (Entire Country)
Infrastructure - Very Good (East Coast, Midwest), Poor (Interior, West Coast)
Trade - Moderate (w/ Great Britain, France, Germany)
Currency Stability - Moderate/Poor
Labor Relations - Moderate

Works just like the old system. No points, everything is taken on faith that you know what you are doing. If we think you're wrong, we'll tell you and you can prove that you're right.

All statistics range from Horrible through Excelent. Horrible means that your nation has absolutely none of that production within that area. Excelent means that your nation has the best in the world in terms of production within that area.

Horrible, Very Poor, Poor, Moderate/Poor, Moderate, Moderate/Good, Good, Very Good, Excelent.

Resources are important, they determine the cost of things. Agriculture determines the cost of food for your people and ultimately how large your population can get. Industry determines your ability to produce weapons and luxury items. Natural Resources determines your ability to get the raw materials needed to run your (or someone elses) Industry. Infrastructure is your ability to move resources from production to market, within your country. Trade is your ability (or someone else's ability) to get resources from production to market between your country and another.

New features are Currency Stability - which measure the purchasing power of your money and it's tendency to fluctuate in value - and Labor Relations - which measures just how happy your work force is.

Currency Stability is and should be related to the other factors as well as your countries policies. If it gets below moderate, expect economic setbacks. If it gets really bad, expect a full blown depression. I will periodically announce Stability modifications as the need arrises.

Worker Relations is the culmination of a variety of things; labor laws, personal wealth, qualitative freedom, education and public/foriegn policy all go together to create your country's Worker Relations. High labor relations may give a boost to industry, or it might just be a nice thing to do. Poor labor relations may give a boost to industry, or it might just make the Robber Barons very, very rich and provoke strikes and riots.

Another new feature is the Region Statistic - the "(XXX)" which shows the build up in each location you control. Think of this as a friendly reminder to your foes which area they should crush first, to ensure that you can't build those new guns or ships you needed.

For Agriculture, Industry, Natural Resources, and Infrastructure, the Region Statistic shows the area which the relative strength is located. For Trade, the Region Statistic shows the countries which comprise the largest trading partners (though it doesn't specify exports or imports). For Currency Stability and Labor Relations, the Region Statistic gives either a reason for unrest (i.e. "Pullman Car Strike", "England suffering depression, can't buy Argentine goods") or a region in which the problem has occured (i.e. "Anarchists bomb banks in the Ukrane", "Ireland attempts to succede from England") or both (i.e. "Workers in Northern France demand 2 day work week. Riots")

Nation wide events only require one quantity. Local events require one quantity / number of localities.

That is all. Questions?

Economies

Europe

Russian Economy:
Agriculture - Good (Entire Country, expect for the Ice lands.)
Industry - Good (West),Ranging from Poor to Moderate (Midwestern to Far East)
Natural Resources - Very Good (Entire Country)
Infrastructure - Moderate/Poor (Entire Country)
Trade - Moderate (Britain,France,Italy Germany)
Currency Stability - Moderate
Labor Relations - Moderate (Semi Ok and declining as time goes..its Russia people...land of USSR...or so to be.) (industrial economy)

Danish Economy
Agriculture: Good (Denmark) Poor (Greenland, Iceland, Faroe Islands)
Industry: Denmark (Good) Horrible (Greenland, Iceland, Faroe Islands)
Natural Resources: Poor (Denmark, Greenland) Moderate (Faroe Islands, Iceland)
Infastructure: Moderate (Denmark, Iceland) Poor (Greenland, Faroe)
Trade: Very Good (Entire Baltic area, including Great Britan, U.S.A.)
Currency Stability: Moderate/Poor (Propping up British Economy for Loyalty)
Labour Relations: Excellent (Labour party is in power)

Spainish Economy
Agriculture: Very Good(Philippines) Moderate(Spain) Poor(African Colonies)
Industry: Moderate/Poor(Spain) Poor/Very Poor(Everywhere Else)
Natural Resources: Very Good(Morocco, Spanish Guinea) Moderate/Poor(Everywhere Else)
Infrastructure: Good(Spain, Morocco) Horrible(Elsewhere)
Trade: Good(Britain, Portugal, France, America)
Currency Stability: Moderate/Poor (Maintained Stability by selling Colonies)
Labor Relations: Poor

French Economy
Agriculture - Good (South), Very Good (North)
Industry - Good (North-East), Poor (South), Very Good (In The Middle)
Natural Resources - Moderate/Good (Entire Country)
Infrastructure - Very Good (North, Middle), Good (South, East)
Trade - Moderate (w/ Great Britain, Russia, Austria, USA)
Currency Stability - Horrible
Labor Relations - Poor
NOTE: In the Northern and Eastern parts of the nation infrastructure, industry and agriculture are all still somewhat wrecked, but the levels are rapidly reaching those stated above.

Italian Economy
Agriculture-Good(North, Po valley region) Moderate/Good(Coastal regions) Moderate/Poor(Interior, Down Italy’s spine)
Industry-Good(North, around cities like Verona, Milan, Turin, Genoa and Livorno) Moderate/Poor(South) Horrible(Sicily, Sardinia)
Natural Resources-Moderate/good(North) Moderate(South)Moderate/Poor(Sardinia)
Infrastructure-Very Good(North, Central Italy) Good(SouthEast) Moderate(Toe, by Sicily) Moderate/Poor(Sicily) Horrible(Sardinia)
Trade- Good ( XXX )
Currency Stability - Moderate/Poor
Labor relations - Moderate

Austrian Economy
Agriculture - Good (Hungary, Austrian Poland), Moderate/Good (Bohemia), Moderate (Austria, South-East)
Industry - Good (Austria), Moderate (Bohemia) Poor (Hungary, A.Poland), Horrible (elsewhere)
Natural Resources - Moderate (Entire Country (untill I have found some info about it))
Infrastructure - Very Good (Austria), Good (Bohemia), Moderate/Poor (Hungary, A.Poland, South-East)
Trade - Good (w/ Russia, Germany, France, Ottoman Empire)
Currency Stability - Poor
Labor Relations - Moderate (Austria), Moderate/Poor (elsewhere)

Greek Economy
Agriculture: Poor
Industry: Horrible
Natural Resources: Poor
Infrastructure: Moderate/Poor
Trade: Moderate/Poor
Currency Stability: Moderate/Poor
Labor Relations: Moderate

British Economy
Agriculture - Moderate/Good (Ireland, Scotland), Moderate/Poor (Wales), Poor (England)
Industry - Excelent (England), Poor (Wales, Scotland, Ireland)
Natural Resources - Moderate/Poor (Entire Country)
Infrastructure - Very Good (England), Moderate (Wales), Poor (Scotland), Very Poor (Ireland)
Trade - Excelent (w/ U.S., India, Germany)
Currency Stability - Poor (Heavy Inflation as the result of the new Silver Standard)
Labor Relations - Good

British Colonies
India
Agriculture - Moderate/Good
Industry - Very Poor
Natural Resources - Good
Infrastructure - Moderate/Poor
Trade - Very Good (w/ Britain)
Currency Stability - {Tied to Britain}
Labor Relations - Moderate/Good

British West Africa
Agriculture - Good
Industry - Horrible
Natural Resources - Good
Infrastructure - Poor
Trade - Very Good (w/ Britain)
Currency Stability - {Tied to Britain}
Labor Relations - Poor (Zulu)

Australia
Agriculture - Moderate/Good
Industry - Very Poor
Natural Resources - Moderate/Good
Infrastructure - Poor
Trade - Good (w/ Britain)
Currency Stability - {Tied to Britain}
Labor Relations - Moderate/Good

British Guiana
Agriculture - Moderate
Industry - Horrible
Natural Resources - Moderate
Infrastructure - Very Poor
Trade - Good (w/ British)
Currency Stability - {Tied to British}
Labor Relations - Moderate

British Honduras
Agriculture - Moderate
Industry - Horrible
Natural Resources - Moderate/Good
Infrastructure - Poor
Trade - Good (w/ British)
Currency Stability {Tied to British}
Labor Relations - Moderate

British West Indies
Agriculture - Very Good
Industry - Very Poor
Natural Resources - Very Poor
Infrastructure - Moderate/Poor
Trade - Very Good (w/ British)
Currency Stability {Tied to British}
Labor Relations - Moderate/Good

Dutch Economy
The Netherlands
Agriculture - Moderate/Good
Industry - Moderate
Natural Resources - Poor
Infrastructure - Good
Trade - Very Good (Britain, European Continent, Dutch East Indies, Dutch West Indies)
Currency Stability - Moderate/Good (Improved by investments normally in British Banks)
Labor Relations - Good

Dutch East Indies
Agriculture - Very Good
Industry - Poor
Natural Resources - Excellent
Infrastructure - Moderate/Poor
Trade - Moderate/Good (India, Japan, Netherlands)
Currency Stability - {tied to Netherlands}
Labor Relations - Moderate/Poor

Dutch West Indies
Agriculture - Moderate/Good
Industry - Poor
Natural Resources - Moderate
Infrastructure - Moderate
Trade - Moderate/Good (America, Caribbean, Netherlands)
Currency Stability - {tied to Netherlands}
Labor Relations - Moderate/Good

Suriname
Agriculture - Good
Industry - Moderate/Poor
Natural Resources - Good
Infrastructure - Moderate/Poor,
Trade - Moderate (Brazil, Caribbean, America, Netherlands)
Currency Stability - {tied to Netherlands}
Labor Relations - Moderate

Africa

Transvaal Economy:
Agriculture - Good (Entire Country)
Industry - Moderate (Northern Interior), Poor (South, West, North)
Natural Resources - Poor (Entire Country)
Infrastructure - Moderate/Poor (Entire Country)
Trade - Moderate (Britain, Germany)
Currency Stability - Horrible (Barter / British Pound - Pound loosing value, more Barters than usual)
Labor Relations - Good (non-industrial economy)

Americas

American Economy
Agriculture - Good (South), Moderate (Interior), Moderate/Poor (North)
Industry - Moderate/Good (North-East, Midwest), Poor (South), Horrible (Interior)
Natural Resources - Very Good (Entire Country)
Infrastructure - Very Good (East Coast, Midwest), Poor (Interior, West Coast)
Trade - Moderate (w/ Great Britain, Mexico, Germany)
Currency Stability - Poor (Economic Downturn and Purchase of Cuba/Puerto Rico)
Labor Relations - Moderate (Industrialized North), Very Poor (Agricultural South)

Canadian Economy
Agriculture: Good (Manitoba), Moderate/Poor (Quebec, Ontario, British Columbia), Horrible (Nova Scotia, New Brunswick)
Industry: Poor
Natural Resources: Very Good
Infrastructure: Good (Eastern Canada), Moderate/Poor (British Columbia), Poor (Manitoba)
Trade: Moderate (Primary Trading Partners: Great Britain, The United States)
Currency Stability: Poor (Canadian Dollar - Tied to Pound)
Labor Relations: Moderate

Mexican Economy
Agriculture: Good
Industry: Poor
Natural Resources: Moderate (Oil not discovered yet)
Infrastructure: Poor
Trade: Moderate/Good (w/ Great Britian, United States, Spain)
Currency Stability: Poor
Labor Relations: Moderate/Poor

Argentine Economy
Agriculture: Good (Pampas), Moderate (The rest of the country), Horrible (Andes)
Industry: Poor
Natural Resources: Very Good
Infrastructure: Good (Buenos Aires, Rosario), Moderate (ports), Poor (Rest of country)
Trade: Good (w/ Great Britain, Spain)
Currency Stability: Moderate/Poor (Argentine Peso)
Labor Relations: Moderate

Brazilian Economy:
Agriculture: Very Good
Industry: Poor
Natural Resources: Very Good
Infrastructure: Good (Port Cities), Moderate/Good (coastal regions), Poor (everywhere else)
Trade: Good
Currency Stability: Poor (Brazilian Real)
Labor Relations: Poor (still have slaves)

Asia

Persian Economy
Agriculture - Moderate (Although about half the nation is desert, the north-eastern territory remains a highly fertile region.)
Industry - Moderate (North East Semi-Developed) Very Poor (Elsewhere)
Natural Resources - Very Good (Entire Country)
Infrastructure - Moderate/Poor (Desert Regions) Moderate/Good (Northern and South Western Areas; Non-Desert)
Trade - Good (Great Britain, Russia, Ottoman Empire)
Currency Stability - Very Poor (Heavy Reliance on Foriegn Currency - British demanding repayment of debts)
Labor Relations - Very Poor (Revolution!)

Ottoman Economy
Agriculture: Excellent (Anatolia), Very good (Syria) Good (Balkans, Lebanon, Israel, Iraq), Moderate (Cyprus), Horrible (Everything else)
Industry: Moderate (Anatolia), Poor (Everything else)
Natural Resources: Excellent (Anatolia), Good (Syria, Egypt, Greece, Cyprus, Israel, Lebanon), Poor/horrible (Everything else)
Infrastructure: Good (Anatolia), Poor (Elsewhere)
Trade: Good (Britain, Austria-Hungary, Germany, and France)
Currency Stability: Moderate/Poor
Labor relations: Good

Japanese Economy:
Agriculture - Moderate
Industry - Moderate/Poor (Rapidly Industrialising)
Natural Resources - Poor(Limited Iron, Coal, and Timber)
Infrastructure - Good
Trade - Good (w/ Great Britain)
Currency Stability - Poor (Currency hit when British Pound tanked)
Labor Relation-Very Good

Transvaal Economy:
Agriculture - Good (Entire Country)
Industry - Moderate (Northern Interior), Poor (South, West, North)
Natural Resources - Poor* (Entire Country)
Infrastructure - Moderate/Poor (Entire Country)
Trade - Moderate (Britain, Germany)
Currency Stability - Poor**
Labor Relations - Good (non-industrial economy)

*Gold has not been discovered yet, and diamonds are in the Orange Free State, not Transvaal
**There is no official currency at the moment, most transactions use either British pounds or a system of barter.

Russian Economy:
Agriculture - Good (Entire Country, expect for the Ice lands.)
Industry - Good (West),Ranging from Poor to Moderate (Midwestern to Far East)
Natural Resources - Very Good (Entire Country)
Infrastructure - Moderate/Poor (Entire Country)
Trade - Moderate (Britain,France,Italy Germany)
Currency Stability - Moderate
Labor Relations - Semi Ok and declining as time goes..its Russia people...land of USSR...or so to be. (industrial economy)

Persian Economy
Agriculture - Moderate (Although about half the nation is desert, the north-eastern territory remains a highly fertile region.)
Industry - Moderate-Poor (North East Semi-Developed)
Natural Resources - Very Good (Entire Country)
Infrastructure - Poor (Desert Regions) Moderate (Northern and South Western Areas; Non-Desert)
Trade - Good (Great Britain, Russia, Ottoman Empire)
Currency Stability - Poor (Heavy Reliance on Foriegn Currency)
Labor Relations - Moderate (Industry Limited)

Siamese Economy
Agriculture - Good (Central-South... Mountainous North)
Industry - Moderate-Poor (Southern Interior), Horrible (North)
Natural Resources - Very Good (Entire Country - Mainly North)
Infrastructure - Poor-Improving (Entire Country - Farther South you go, the better it gets.)
Trade - Good (Western Europe, United States, Asia)
Currency Stability - Poor (Heavy Reliance on Foriegn Currency, mianly the British Pound)
Labor Relations - Moderate-Good (Little industry)
Siamese? I thought you were Persia...

Well ya see the thing about that is... I joined another RP as Siam... and am quite confused... but ya, ill get to fixin that.

Persian Economy
Agriculture - Moderate (Although about half the nation is desert, the north-eastern territory remains a highly fertile region.)
Industry - Moderate-Poor (North East Semi-Developed)
Natural Resources - Very Good (Entire Country)
Infrastructure - Moderate (Entire Country)*
Trade - Good (Europe, Asia)**
Currency Stability - Poor (Heavy Reliance on Foriegn Currency)
Labor Relations - Moderate

*Infrastructure is too high. Admittedly trade routes do run through here, but Moderate or higher should be reserved for nations with large amounts of railways / canals / rivers.

**Trade is correct, but I need actual countries, not vague groupings of continents.

If you want me to make your economy for you, just post it or send me a telegram.

Trade
You want a list of every signle nation in which Persia has engaged in trade with? Well that doesnt make much sense... but... every nation in Europe... every nation in Asia... and there are economic ties with African Colonies. Remote economic actions with Western Hemispheric Nations. Im not sure what you mean by specific countries... as each and every country has some sort of economic tie to another country. If you mean trading partners that account for 50% of imports... or 50% of exports... or 30% of the National External Debt, or 25% of the National Trade Income... What do you mean by 'Trading Partners'? If you mean a country with which I conduct trade... then what I said was right... every country in Europe and Asia. The guidelines need to be a bit more specific in order for me to throw up a list of countries. For example, your list of trade for the US was technically inncorrect, as it conducted trade with Spain, Portugal, Italy, South American Nations, Canada, Japan, The Netherlands, China... the vast majority of nations in the world. Yes, most trade was conducted with France and Britain... but does that mean that they didn't trade with anyone else?

Infrastructure
Again, categories for how much a specific infrastructural category contributes to the national infrastructure standing is needed. The Persian road system was superb, as was the postal system. The ports were top-notch, and the major cities were not far from the status of European Cities. Now canals... well, there arent many rivers... if a nation needs canals to be developed, Iran is hopeless. Railroads? While lacking in number, there were a few working as of 1872. The roads, ports and internal structure alone would place it on moderate in my eyes... thus the need for categories determining the rankings.

Trade
You want a list of every signle nation in which Persia has engaged in trade with? Well that doesnt make much sense... but... every nation in Europe... every nation in Asia... and there are economic ties with African Colonies. Remote economic actions with Western Hemispheric Nations. Im not sure what you mean by specific countries... as each and every country has some sort of economic tie to another country. If you mean trading partners that account for 50% of imports... or 50% of exports... or 30% of the National External Debt, or 25% of the National Trade Income... What do you mean by 'Trading Partners'? If you mean a country with which I conduct trade... then what I said was right... every country in Europe and Asia. The guidelines need to be a bit more specific in order for me to throw up a list of countries. For example, your list of trade for the US was technically inncorrect, as it conducted trade with Spain, Portugal, Italy, South American Nations, Canada, Japan, The Netherlands, China... the vast majority of nations in the world. Yes, most trade was conducted with France and Britain... but does that mean that they didn't trade with anyone else?

Yes, I want only the major trading partners. By now every nation should be in a global economy... but a major economic collapse in Austria might not affect you as quickly if you're not engaged in major trade with them. I DON'T want every single solitary trading partner you have. What I want is primarly two things:

1: Who are your major importers of goods?

2: Who are your major exporters of goods?

That's it. That's all. I don't care if you get 20 lbs of rice a year from Siam. Or even if you're the #1 importer of Peru's cotton. If Peru doesn't account for a major % of your cotton imports then they don't go on the list.

Conversely, you will be on their list. Oftentimes major trade stuff only goes one way.

Infrastructure
Again, categories for how much a specific infrastructural category contributes to the national infrastructure standing is needed. The Persian road system was superb, as was the postal system. The ports were top-notch, and the major cities were not far from the status of European Cities. Now canals... well, there arent many rivers... if a nation needs canals to be developed, Iran is hopeless. Railroads? While lacking in number, there were a few working as of 1872. The roads, ports and internal structure alone would place it on moderate in my eyes... thus the need for categories determining the rankings.

That's all I need to hear. Ports are good... for trade to Port cities, and thus not infrastructure. Roads are good... for mules and horses. Railroads are good... for the few cities that lay in their routes.

Moderate? No. You need more than a "few railroads" to count as moderate now. Take a look at the American Interior... It has a "few Railroads" and it's Poor.

The solution is simple...

Infrastructure: Moderate/Good (Major Cities), Poor (Non-Major Cities)

Or something to that effect. Another option would be to post which areas or territories have the most railways. Again, roads are nice, but by now you can get far more stuff far faster with railroads. Until the automobile and trucks, roads factor in very little to infrastructure. We're in the Age of Steam after all.

Also, I'd like either Ottoman, Clans or another mod to arbitrate this if you are having any further problems.

Finally, ::gets up on his soap box:: I refuse to make anything set in stone. I refuse to use point systems or algerithms (spelled wrong, I know). I hope I make my arguements clear, but I'm not going to resort to posting Railroads < 100mi track / 1000mi^2 land mass = Very Good. We're all adults here, and should be able to figure it out amoungst ourself. ::gets off soap box::

Again, thank you for asking for clarification. I don't want to have become a dictator as opposed to a moderator. And I certainly don't want to become a bad guy. I just want to make a fair warning that I WILL make decisions and they WILL be binding unless another mod overrules me. Everyone out there has been warned.

::Looks shiftily in Clans direction:: And that means you!

Have to agree Manarth here. Not that I knew too much about Persian infrastructure or trade in the late 19th century... to be honest my knowledge comes mainly from Karl May novels. Still, considering how the travelling and road system are described in those, in the books he moves through Persia, I wouldn't call it moderate. In mountains even the word poor is too much.

About trade, Persia sure as hell didn't have trade with "almost every" country in Europe and Asia. That might be the thing today, but in no way was in 1872! Persian trade with Japan, or with Tibet, Siam, Greece, Portugal, Sweden was non-existant, to name few examples.

Agriculture Good (Hungary, Austrian Poland), Moderate/Good (Bohemia), Moderate (Austria, South-East)
Industry - Good (Austria), Moderate (Bohemia) Poor (Hungary, A.Poland), Horrible (elsewhere)
Natural Resources - Moderate (Entire Country (untill I have found some info about it))
Infrastructure - Very Good (Austria), Good (Bohemia), Moderate/Poor (Hungary, A.Poland, South-East)
Trade - Good (w/ Russia, Germany, France, Ottoman Empire)
Currency Stability - Moderate/Poor
Labor Relations - Moderate (Austria), Moderate/Poor (elsewhere)

Dominion of Canada

Agriculture: Good (Manitoba), Moderate/Poor (Quebec, Ontario, British Columbia), Horrible (Nova Scotia, New Brunswick)
Industry: Poor
Natural Resources: Very Good
Infrastructure: Good (Eastern Canada), Moderate/Poor (British Columbia), Poor (Manitoba)
Trade: Moderate (Primary Trading Partners: Great Britain, The United States)
Currency Stability: Moderate (Canadian Dollar)
Labor Relations: Moderate

Argentine Economy

Agriculture: Good (Pampas), Moderate (The rest of the country), Horrible (Andes)
Industry: Poor
Natural Resources: Very Good
Infrastructure: Good (Buenos Aires, Rosario), Moderate (ports), Poor (Rest of country)
Trade: Good (Primary Trading Partners: Great Britain, Spain)
Currency Stability: Moderate (Argentine Peso)
Labor Relations: Moderate



(OOC: Constructive critisisim is ok)

British Colonies


AMERICA'S
The United States of America(colony since 1607)
Dominion of Canada
Jamaica
British West Indies
Bermuda
Falklands Islands
British Honduras
British Guiana
OCEANIA
Tasmania
South Australia
Victoria
Queensland
The Northern Territory
New Zealand
AFRICA
Cape Colony
British West Africa

ASIA
Singapore
Hong Kong
India
Malacca

updated my economy

British Colonies


AMERICA'S
The United States of America(colony since 1607)
(snip)

wait. what?

AMERICA'S
The United States of America(colony since 1607)

Im guessing it was a joke, the British recognized independence in 1783, ergo, no longer a colony.

Im guessing it was a joke, the British recognized independence in 1783, ergo, no longer a colony.
Aye...it better be a joke....or is it...

The U.S.A. Hereby claims the island of Britain as it's historical possession, as the true rulers of Britain (Puritains) were forced from the islands and forced to colonize the Americas. Kindly surrender your army, island, navy and colonies to us now.

Argentine Economy

Agriculture: Good (Pampas), Moderate (The rest of the country), Horrible (Andes)
Industry: Poor
Natural Resources: Very Good
Infrastructure: Good (Buenos Aires, Rosario), Moderate (ports), Poor (Rest of country)
Trade: Good (Primary Trading Partners: Great Britain, Spain)
Currency Stability: Moderate (Argentine Peso)
Labor Relations: Moderate



(OOC: Constructive critisisim is ok)

I'm pretty sure you're trading with the Spanish quite a bit as well, though most of your money is admittedly comming from the Beef industry, shipped to the British. Going to add that in the final post unless you're going to dispute it.

American Colonies

EUROPE
Great Britain

AMERICA
Dominion of Canada
Jamaica
British West Indies
Bermuda
Falklands Islands
British Honduras
British Guiana
OCEANIA
Tasmania
South Australia
Victoria
Queensland
The Northern Territory
New Zealand
AFRICA
Cape Colony
British West Africa

ASIA
Singapore
Hong Kong
India
Malacca

Fixed... Now to figure out which ones are actually worth making an economy for.

Danish Economy

Agriculture: Good (Denmark & Virgin Islands) Poor (Greenland, Iceland, Faroe Islands)
Industry: Denmark (Good) Horrible (Greenland, Iceland, Faroe Islands Virgin Islands)
Natural Resources: Poor (Denmark, Greenland) Moderate (Faroe Islands, Virgin Islands, Iceland)
Infastructure: Moderate (Denmark, Iceland) Poor (Greenland, Faroe, Virgin)
Trade: Very Good (Entire Baltic area, including Great Britan, U.S.A.
Currency Stability: Moderate
Labour Relations: Excellent (Labour party is in power)

I couldn't find too much on Romanian economy back in the 1800's so most of this is guesses, please give me feedback on it

Romanian Economy

Agriculture: (Good) Wallachia (Moderate Poor) Moldova and Transylvania
Industry: (Moderate) Wallachia (Poor) Transylvania and Moldova
Natural Resources: (Good) Transylvania (Moderate Poor) Wallachia and Moldova
Infastructure: (Moderate) Wallachia (Moderate poor) Transylvania and Moldova
Trade: Moderate - Ottoman Empire, Russian and Austria/Hungary
Currency Stability: Moderate Poor - Leu
Labour Relations: Moderate

I couldn't find too much on Romanian economy back in the 1800's so most of this is guesses, please give me feedback on it

Romanian Economy

Agriculture: (Good) Wallachia (Moderate Poor) Moldova and Transylvania
Industry: (Moderate) Wallachia (Poor) Transylvania and Moldova
Natural Resources: (Good) Transylvania (Moderate Poor) Wallachia and Moldova
Infastructure: (Moderate) Wallachia (Poor) Transylvania and Moldova
Trade: Moderate - Ottoman Empire, Russian and Austria/Hungary
Currency Stability: Moderate Poor - Leu
Labour Relations: Moderate

Lookin' pretty good. I'd drop that Moderate/Poor down to Poor in Infastructure though. Doesn't look like you've got much but dirt roads out there.

Some of these are probably way off, but hopefully someone can tell me.


Agriculture: Excellent (Anatolia), Very good (Syria) Good (Balkans, Lebanon, Israel, Iraq), Moderate (Cyprus), Horrible (Everything else)
Industry: Moderate (Anatolia), Poor (Everywhere else)
Natural Resources: Excellent (Anatolia), Good (Syria, Egypt, Greece, Cyprus, Israel, Lebanon), Poor/horrible (Everything else)
Infrastructure: Good (Anatolia), Poor (Elsewhere)
Trade: Good (Britain, Austria-Hungary, Germany, and France)
Currency Stability: Moderate
Labor relations: Good

Some of these are probably way off, but hopefully someone can tell me.


Agriculture: Excellent (Anatolia), Very good (Syria) Good (Balkans, Lebanon, Israel, Iraq), Moderate (Cyprus), Horrible (Everything else)
Industry: Moderate (Average)
Natural Resources: Excellent (Anatolia), Good (Syria, Egypt, Greece, Cyprus, Israel, Lebanon), Poor/horrible (Everything else)
Infrastructure: Good (Anatolia), Poor (Elsewhere)
Trade: Good (Britain, Austria-Hungary, Germany, and France)
Currency Stability: Moderate
Labor relations: Good

I'll let Ottomans deal with this one... I'm not sure about the Excellents, though I'm sure everything else is pretty much correct.

Spain

Agriculture: Very Good(Cuba, Puerto Rico, Philippines) Moderate(Spain) Poor(African Colonies)
Industry: Moderate/Poor(Spain) Poor/Very Poor(Everywhere Else)
Natural Resources: Very Good(Morocco, Spanish Guinea) Good(Puerto Rico, Cuba) Moderate/Poor(Everywhere Else)
Infrastructure: Good(Spain, Morocco) Moderate/Poor(Cuba, Puerto Rico) Horrible(Elsewhere)
Trade: Good(Britain, Portugal, France, America)
Currency Stability: Very Poor
Labor Relations: Poor

I've got to have the shittiest nation in the game!

Persian Economy Circa 1873 (updated on main page at that point)
Agriculture - Moderate (Although about half the nation is desert, the north-eastern territory remains a highly fertile region.)
Industry - Moderate/Poor (North East) Very Poor (Everywhere Else)
Natural Resources - Very Good (Entire Country)
Infrastructure - Moderate/Poor (Desert Regions) Moderate/Good (Northern and South Western Areas; Non-Desert)
Trade - Good (Great Britain, Russia, Ottoman Empire)
Currency Stability - Poor (Heavy Reliance on Foriegn Currency)
Labor Relations - Moderate/Poor

Some of these are probably way off, but hopefully someone can tell me.


Agriculture: Excellent (Anatolia), Very good (Syria) Good (Balkans, Lebanon, Israel, Iraq), Moderate (Cyprus), Horrible (Everything else)
Industry: Moderate (Average)
Natural Resources: Excellent (Anatolia), Good (Syria, Egypt, Greece, Cyprus, Israel, Lebanon), Poor/horrible (Everything else)
Infrastructure: Good (Anatolia), Poor (Elsewhere)
Trade: Good (Britain, Austria-Hungary, Germany, and France)
Currency Stability: Moderate
Labor relations: Good
As the local Ottoman nut, I said overall its good but Industry should be change to Moderate in Anatolia and poor everywhere else.

Dutch Economy

The Netherlands

Agriculture - Moderate/Good
Industry - Moderate
Natural Resources - Poor
Infrastructure - Good
Trade - Very Good (Britain, European Continent, Dutch East Indies, Dutch West Indies)
Currency Stability - Moderate
Labor Relations - Good

Dutch East Indies

Agriculture - Very Good
Industry - Poor
Natural Resources - Excellent
Infrastructure - Moderate/Poor
Trade - Moderate/Good (India, Japan, Netherlands)
Currency Stability - {tied to Netherlands}
Labor Relations - Moderate/Poor

Dutch West Indies

Agriculture - Moderate/Good
Industry - Poor
Natural Resources - Moderate
Infrastructure - Moderate
Trade - Moderate/Good (America, Caribbean, Netherlands)
Currency Stability - {tied to Netherlands}
Labor Relations - Moderate/Good

Suriname

Agriculture - Good
Industry - Moderate/Poor
Natural Resources - Good
Infrastructure - Moderate/Poor,
Trade - Moderate (Brazil, Caribbean, America, Netherlands)
Currency Stability - {tied to Netherlands}
Labor Relations - Moderate

Japanese Economy:
Agriculture - Moderate
Industry - Moderate/Poor (Rapidly Industrialising)
Natural Resources - Poor(Limited Iron, Coal, and Timber)
Infrastructure - Good
Trade - Moderate (w/ Great Britain, United States )
Currency Stability - Moderate/Poor
Labor Relation-Moderate

Japanese Economy:
Agriculture - Moderate
Industry - Moderate/Poor (Rapidly Industrialising)
Natural Resources - Poor(Limited Iron, Coal, and Timber)
Infrastructure - Good
Trade - Moderate (w/ Great Britain, United States )
Currency Stability - Moderate/Poor
Labor Relation-Very Good

You're giving your culture too little credit. Changed labor relations to Very Good, to signify you're Emperor's influence and cultural stability.

Brazilian Economy
Agriculture: Very Good
Natural Resources: Very Good
Industry: Poor
Infrastructure: Good (Port Cities), Moderate (coastal regions), Poor (everywhere else)
Trade: Good (Great Britain, Portugal, France)
Currency Stability: Poor (Brazilian Real)
Labor Relations: Poor (still have slaves)

Brazilian Economy
Agriculture: Very Good
Industry: Poor
Natural Resources: Very Good
Infrastructure: Good (Port Cities), Moderate (coastal regions), Poor (everywhere else)
Trade: Good
Currency Stability: Poor (Brazilian Real)
Labor Relations: Poor (still have slaves)

Added Industry... and who are your major trading partners? I'm going to guess Portugual, but who else?

Italian economy

Agriculture-Good(North, Po valley region) Moderate/Good(Coastal regions) Moderate/Poor(Interior, Down Italy’s spine)
Industry-Good(North, around cities like Verona, Milan, Turin, Genoa and Livorno) Moderate/Poor(South) Horrible(Sicily, Sardinia)
Natural Resources-Moderate/good(North) Moderate(South)Moderate/Poor(Sardinia)
Infrastructure-Very Good(North, Central Italy) Good(SouthEast) Moderate(Toe, by Sicily) Moderate/Poor(Sicily) Horrible(Sardinia)
Trade- Good
Currency Stability-moderate
Labor relations-moderate

Agriculture - Good (South), Very Good (North)
Industry - Good (North-East), Poor (South), Very Good (In The Middle)
Natural Resources - Moderate/Good (Entire Country)
Infrastructure - Very Good (North, Middle), Good (South, East)
Trade - Moderate (w/ Great Britain, Russia, Austria, USA)
Currency Stability - Horrible
Labor Relations - Poor

NOTE: In the Northern and Eastern parts of the nation infrastructure, industry and agriculture are all still somewhat wrecked, but the levels are rapidly reaching those stated above.

Both look good. Who does Italy trade with most by the way?

OOC Just for future reference the Sterling Pound as of 1870 is worth $8.2397, and of course it's backed up by gold.

Both look good. Who does Italy trade with most by the way?

I dunno, I'll try to find something.

But anyway, 2 million of the 2.5 million pounds paid to Italy by France is going to be put into Southern Italy along with a pretty decent investment from Italy itself, mainly improving the infrastructure, but also to promote industrialization in the southern cities and set up a few schools.

Guess what everyone!!! It's almost time for an economic downturn.

Updates are being posted as to your economics based on your actions over the year. They'll be up soonish.

Edit: Updates Posted

Important RP Information!!!

May 9th, 1873... A downturn in the Austrian based Vienna Stock Exchange causes a minor financial crisis throughout Central Europe. By September, the problems will have spread as far as America.

The culprit is thought by some the lack of availble gold, due to the gold standard. Many people, particularly debtors and farmers, are pushing for bi-metalism (a silver and gold standard) or a transfer to a streight silver standard.

Investors, who have suffered under the recent ecomic downturn are even beginning to question the wisdom of the gold standard.

::London Investors begin watching the Economic Situation in Central Europe with Care::

Greek Economic Performance:

Agriculture: Poor
Industry: Horrible
Natural Resources: Poor
Infrastructure: Moderate/Poor
Trade: Moderate/Poor
Currency Stability: Moderate
Labor Relations: Moderate

Southern Italy and Sicily have become the governments main focus with the government pouring in money to build schools, improve the infrastructure(Roads, railroads, bridges, ports exc) and encourage industrial and economic growth.

OOC: How long would it take me to bring up infrastructure in southern Italy up a level, and maybe industry in the major southern cities up a level?

Southern Italy and Sicily have become the governments main focus with the government pouring in money to build schools, improve the infrastructure(Roads, railroads, bridges, ports exc) and encourage industrial and economic growth.

OOC: How long would it take me to bring up infrastructure in southern Italy up a level, and maybe industry in the major southern cities up a level?

OOC: That's all dependent upon a wide variety of factors including State-investment, Foreign investment, Domestic Stability and Stability within Foreign markets (especially European Markets).

Also, as Italy has only been a unified state for less than a decade, matters of economic integration must still be tackled as well, along with centralization under the government in Rome.

However, all that aside, I figure that significant improvement in the economic/infastructure levels of Southern Italy will take at least a decade, if not more.

Please edit Mexican economy to reflect dealings with the US:

Agriculture: Good <Improving> -Trade Agreement and Tariff Limitation with US-
Industry: Poor <slightly improving> -Trade Agreement and Tariff Limitation with US-
Natural Resources: Moderate (Oil not discovered yet)
Infrastructure: Poor
Trade: Moderate/Good (w/ Great Britian, Spain, United States) -Trade Agreement and Tariff Limitation with US-
Currency Stability: Poor
Labor Relations: Moderate/Poor

The Widespread downturn in Central Europe has made its way to the UK and in a vastly contreversial and risky move, Parliement has on a close vote, passed the Silver Act.


The Silver act has several features, one of which is the increase in production of Paper notes and wider distribution to the Public along with a change of backing of the pound from the rarer gold to the much more prevalent Silver Standard. Along with the Downturn, British Banks are calling in Collateral on all loans. It is hoped that with the switch in standards that British Economy will stay relatively stable throughout the crisis and will ride through it on top of the rest of the world. Parliement also plans on printing more pounds as needed to cover operating costs and paying of loans throughout the world. A 20% protective Tarriff has been imposed upon manufactured goods that are produced within Great Britain as well.

Russia government looks at British new act and quickly began repaying the British for any loans they might have, althought their main bankers are the Germans then to Britian..but they still ramble on about the British going insane...from drinking too much of that Cannabis tea...

Germany responds with shock and businesses begin to respond. The German government passes it's own tariffs in an attempt to keep the effects of this new situation minimal.

The Ottoman Empire offers the Jews of the world the chance to immigrate to Palestine. For 100 pounds per person, not only will you be able to immigrate, but you will be given your own sections of Palestine and the right to appoint your own rulers over those sections.

OOC: Your not going to be inviting Jews if you want to stay in power, your asking for trouble.

The Ottoman Empire offers the Jews of the world the chance to immigrate to Palestine. For 100 pounds per person, not only will you be able to immigrate, but you will be given your own sections of Palestine and the right to appoint your own rulers over those sections.
Yes, if you do this your General and other Government officals will munity and kill the sitting Sultan and replace him with his son or something knowning that he will repeal this mad act...so rethink what your doing or face a rebellion.

Yes, if you do this your General and other Government officals will munity and kill the sitting Sultan and replace him with his son or something knowning that he will repeal this mad act...so rethink what your doing or face a rebellion.


Correct me if I'm wrong but Jerusalem is the THIRD most sacred city in Islam?


Just thought I'd throw that out there. Oh and Ottoman Empire, you owe me money, pay up.

April 15th, 1873

Piraeus, Greece
International Currency Exchange

Upon hearing the news of Britain's 'Silver Legislation,' Greek investors and currency speculators, fearing a great loss in profit as a result of the massive devaluation of the Pound, immediately began the process of withdrawing funds and/or liquidities held in British Pounds and quickly exchanging them for the more stable Swiss or Belgian Franc.

By mid-noon, the entire exchange, typically buzzing with some activity, was in a panic. After all, the majority of investors and company shareholders kept their securities and liquidities held up in British bonds, funds that would soon be worthless.

At one point, the feverish sell off of British currency became so rampant that Government officials were forced to close the entire exchange for the rest of the day, although it failed to stop the same individuals from traveling to nearby banks in the area to organize the exchange of their currency.

Meanwhile, the Greek government, although slightly worried due to the investments (specifically securities) it held with the Bank of England, felt little to no effect from the change as the Drachma, the official currency of Greece, was pegged at a 1:1 ratio with the French Franc. However, the new government would keep a wary eye towards the economy in-case this startling change pushes the remainder of the world economy over the edge.

April 15th, 1873

Piraeus, Greece
International Currency Exchange

Upon hearing the news of Britain's 'Silver Legislation,' Greek investors and currency speculators, fearing a great loss in profit as a result of the massive devaluation of the Pound, immediately began the process of withdrawing funds and/or liquidities held in British Pounds and quickly exchanging them for the more stable Swiss or Belgian Franc.

By mid-noon, the entire exchange, typically buzzing with some activity, was in a panic. After all, the majority of investors and company shareholders kept their securities and liquidities held up in British bonds, funds that would soon be worthless.

At one point, the feverish sell off of British currency became so rampant that Government officials were forced to close the entire exchange for the rest of the day, although it failed to stop the same individuals from traveling to nearby banks in the area to organize the exchange of their currency.

Meanwhile, the Greek government, although slightly worried due to the investments (specifically securities) it held with the Bank of England, felt little to no effect from the change as the Drachma, the official currency of Greece, was pegged at a 1:1 ratio with the French Franc. However, the new government would keep a wary eye towards the economy in-case this startling change pushes the remainder of the world economy over the edge.


OOC: someone's got the right idea.

A diplomatic Note demanding Immediate repayment of Loans to British Banks is delivered to the governments of the Ottoman Empire and Persian Empire.

OOC: I'm going to be researching who else has loans from British Banks, Cause I'm calling in ALL Loans to try and keep my economy afloat.

April 15th, 1873

Meanwhile, the Greek government, although slightly worried due to the investments (specifically securities) it held with the Bank of England, felt little to no effect from the change as the Drachma, the official currency of Greece, was pegged at a 1:1 ratio with the French Franc.

Here is food for thought, the French Republic has just fought a major with Germany and is currently in debt to Germany par to the treaty of peace, they are currently paying gold to Germany, just the Value of the Franc isn't too stable, I said..your better off making the Drachma a ratio with Swiss..whatever since the Swiss are known to be stable and of couse they have the Swiss Bank...

The Russian Government, do to recent events in the world economy, the Russian Government is shifting a number of bank accounts to Swiss Bank, since the Swiss are know for being stable and able to protect their accounts from harm...

Following other nation's leads, the German businesses begin pulling their support for the pound and begin investing in the Swiss. Hopefully this will stave off total economic collapse.

In addition, the German government demands that the British debt to Germany be payed fully in gold or silver. Otherwise, Germany will reclaim the islands it sold.

As Britain reacts to the economic downturn, the other nations of the world begin to suffer as well. Trade conducted in pounds is crippled, as is essentially any trade outside the British empire. Other nations, such as Belgium and Switzerland find themselves awash in accounts that were once British.

Across Britain, investors begin to hoard their gold, removing any they have placed into banks, and causing a few of the banks to colapse. The rest re-open paying out paper notes backed by silver in exchange for the person's deposited gold. At first, this causes little stir, but as word comes that foriegn markets have pulled out of the British banking system, a full scale panic begins.

September 3rd, 1873. Banks all across England open to hundreds of people, pulling out their life savings due to speculation of massive inflation. Over 100 banks close their doors over the cource of the day. Quickly the government declares a "Bank Holiday" of indeterminate time, hoping to stabilize the situation.

((Update on what all this means (short term) to world economics on Saturday))

Following other nation's leads, the German businesses begin pulling their support for the pound and begin investing in the Swiss. Hopefully this will stave off total economic collapse.

In addition, the German government demands that the British debt to Germany be payed fully in gold or silver. Otherwise, Germany will reclaim the islands it sold.



Britain reminds Germany that it has no place nor the muscle to back up its claim and that it will be paid in whatever the crown and parliement sees fit to pay Germany in for those islands.


OOC: nice try, still no navy.

As Britain reacts to the economic downturn, the other nations of the world begin to suffer as well. Trade conducted in pounds is crippled, as is essentially any trade outside the British empire. Other nations, such as Belgium and Switzerland find themselves awash in accounts that were once British.

Across Britain, investors begin to hoard their gold, removing any they have placed into banks, and causing a few of the banks to colapse. The rest re-open paying out paper notes backed by silver in exchange for the person's deposited gold. At first, this causes little stir, but as word comes that foriegn markets have pulled out of the British banking system, a full scale panic begins.

September 3rd, 1873. Banks all across England open to hundreds of people, pulling out their life savings due to speculation of massive inflation. Over 100 banks close their doors over the cource of the day. Quickly the government declares a "Bank Holiday" of indeterminate time, hoping to stabilize the situation.

((Update on what all this means (short term) to world economics on Saturday))


Gold Reclamation Act, following the crisis, Parliement passes the gold reclamation act and nationalizes all private stocks of gold in the country and orders their return to the royal treasury. Also Parliement makes it illegal for anyone to possess, hord or trade in gold within the British Empire insisting instead upon the new silver backed pound.




The HMS Thunderer and Devastation who are currently in Hong Kong are ordered to take station off of Truck and Guam to solidify British claims to those islands. Several Other minor ships are ordered to take station, while the Royal Medeterrainian Fleet is ordered to take station off of Gibraltar and the Suez Canal. (secret In Character) they are ordered to allow the German vessels to enter the Mediterranian, to have some ships shadow them and even invite them onboard for dinner and demonstrations of Royal Naval Prowness and Gunnery. But to not allow them to transit the Suez or Gibraltar until Claims in the Pacific are solidified.





The Ambassador to the German Empire in Berlin is delivered a Large Diplomatic case that he is to deliver to German Foreign Office. Within is 1,000,000 pounds in Paper notes and 400,000 of the New Silver Pounds, The first payment for the Marianas and Guam.

OOC: Well, they are not going to have power in Jerusalem, just some other cities. They will only have the right to live in or visit Jerusalem. This is just temporary, until the Ottoman debt can be payed off.

With that said: there will be dissent, of course, but I don't have problem with that as I plan on having Abd-Ul-Aziz deposed in time, as he was historically; but instead of it being because of financial problems it will be because of the way he solved them.

OOC This may not be smart but we're England's man

IC The Danish government has contrary to the actions of other countries, has ordered it's agents to purchase as many bonds as possible. Denmark, who never really embraced paper money still has plenty of silver to fill the gap. In the great pull out of foreigners Denmark views this as ample time to purchase, for silver and gold, the bonds nobody wants anymore. Agents are also instructed to learn as much as possible about purchasing a torpedo boat for the Danish government.

OOC-Denmark really changes over when it's currency changes from the Rigsdaller to the Krone, which happens in 1873 but I never did that.

Now to any mod watching, perhaps this lack of Gold could be filled by Denmark finding great piles of it in Greenland? Just a suggestion of course, but that would help.

Updated economics to reflect the depression and Britain's apparent economic suicide. All those of you who have lost stability to your currency, have either been hit by one or the other.

As a guesture of friendship, the US buys out the Mexican debt to Great Britian. Better that they owe a local friend then some economic titan across the Atlantic that's calling in entire countries payments.

As a guesture of friendship, the US buys out the Mexican debt to Great Britian. Better that they owe a local friend then some economic titan across the Atlantic that's calling in entire countries payments.

Boost to my Economy? Oh and we'll only take Specie

I'll pay you in Silver then, since you seem to like that so much.

In Secert

The Russian Government sends 130,000 Gold backed Pounds via Swiss Bank to British for the "goods" that Russian Government has recently bought from Britiain.

The Ottoman Empire pays off the remainder of its debt to foreign nations just as a leading General (backed by other generals and ministers) leads an army through the streets of Constantinople towards the royal palace. Abd-Ul-Aziz flees the palace seeking asylum in a foreign nation.

If acceptable that is:

Agriculture: Very Good <Improving>
Industry: Moderate/Poor <slightly improving>
Natural Resources: Moderate (Oil not discovered yet)
Infrastructure: Poor
Trade: Moderate/Good (w/ Great Britian, Spain, United States)
Currency Stability: Poor
Labor Relations: Moderate/Poor

How do I improve my currency's stability?

The Ottoman Empire is using the 50 million pounds gained from the expulsion of the Jews and confiscation of their property to fund the construction of railroads and the improvement of industry.

The Ottoman Empire is using the 300 million pounds gained from the expulsion of the Jews and confiscation of their property to fund the construction of railroads and the improvement of industry.



Where in the hell are you getting that Number?

Sweden-Norway Economy

1. Agriculture - Moderate/Good (Sweden), Poor/Moderate (Norway)
2. Industry - Good/Very Good (Sweden), Moderate/Good (Norway)
3. Natural Resources - Moderate/Good (Sweden), Moderate/Good (Norway)
4. Infrastructure - Good/Very Good (Sweden), Moderate/Good (Norway)
5. Trade - Moderate/Good (Sweden), Moderate/Good (Norway) [Europe-North America.]
6. Currency Stability - Moderate/Good/Very Good (Sweden), Moderate/Good/Very Good (Norway)
7. Labor Relations - Good (Sweden), Good (Norway)

OCC: Sweden is going through a massive Industrialization and moderization program during this time. Norway is also going through this program- just not on the scale from what I read that Sweden is.

Edited after doing some research.

OOC: I made it up. If we assume a value of as little of 1,000 pounds per family, and an average of five people per family, than 500k Jews equals 100k families and therefore brings in 100 million pounds. But these are Jews wealthy enough to immigrate, so I don't think 3,000 pounds per family (average) is unreasonable.

OOC: I made it up. If we assume a value of as little of 1,000 pounds per family, and an average of five people per family, than 500k Jews equals 100k families and therefore brings in 100 million pounds. But these are Jews wealthy enough to immigrate, so I don't think 3,000 pounds per family (average) is unreasonable.



Manarth is going to be making a post about this soon, when he gets to a comp, but I can tell you this not going to fly.

I beg to disagree with the stats proposed for Sweden's agriculture and industry. While it is true that there were some major iron mines and forges in the North, and there were textile factories in Stockholm and Malmö I daresay these aren't even nearly enough for Very Good. I'd rather say Moderate would be best to describe it, Moderate/Good being the absolute max.

Neither is the Agriculture in Sweden worth Food/Very good, quite far from that. Of the whole area of Sweden, the percentage of arable land is rather small, only worthy lands being the Southernmost's of them, and even there the harvests are far from Italian or French equivalents.
Norway's agriculture I would call more like Poor/Moderate than Moderate/Good, due the obvious reasons - there is very little arable land for use. In 2005 2.7%, to be accurate, and I doubt the number was really too much higher in 1876. The mountains were still there.

Also, what exactly are the natural resources that give Norway the rating Moderate/Good? This is just out of curiosity, I'm not saying it's too much since I'm not familiar with the subject really but I can hardly remember any natural resources Norway produces/did produce, except oil which they didn't do before the latter half of the 20th century.

Orange Free State Economy

Agriculture - Moderate/Good
Industry - Natural Resources - Poor/nonexistant
Infrastructure - Poor
Trade - Moderate (England and Transvaal)
Currency Stability - Poor
Labor Relations - Good
Natural Resources: Moderate/Good

This seems what the OFS' economy would look like, I'm open to suggestions

Industry - Very Good?! More like Poor/Non-existant!

I wouldnt call the agriculture Excellent neither... right about enough cattle to prevent people from starving, and few fields here and there... based on those few books I've read about the Boers.

whoops I thought it said resources, that's being changed

whoops I thought it said resources, that's being changed

About the natural resources... those you could actually have, no? Atleast nowadays South Africa is a major diamond exporter. I don't know what was the situation in the late 19th century though... the Boers were farmers and cattle-owners for the most part, so it is possible that the diamonds weren't dug up before the Brits took over. There's however a possibility for some RP'ing, perhaps? The discovery and founding of first minign companies... it could also spark tensions between the two Boer states, and cause some international interrest for the region.

Just a thought :rolleyes:

Orange Free State Economy

Agriculture - Moderate/Good
Industry - Natural Resources - Poor/nonexistant
Infrastructure - Poor
Trade - Moderate (England and Transvaal)
Currency Stability - Moderate
Labor Relations - Good

This seems what the OFS' economy would look like, I'm open to suggestions

Natural Resources should be moderate/good, as you've been mining diamonds since 1867. Agriculture should just be moderate, and Currency Stability is poor. The OFS was in the same boat as Transvaal from a currency standpoint until annexation by the British (in 1877, and again in 1902).

About the natural resources... those you could actually have, no? Atleast nowadays South Africa is a major diamond exporter. I don't know what was the situation in the late 19th century though... the Boers were farmers and cattle-owners for the most part, so it is possible that the diamonds weren't dug up before the Brits took over. There's however a possibility for some RP'ing, perhaps? The discovery and founding of first minign companies... it could also spark tensions between the two Boer states, and cause some international interrest for the region.

Just a thought :rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure the discovery of gold led to the Boer War

I'm pretty sure the discovery of gold led to the Boer War

The British encroachment on Transvaal's borders, along with the Jameson Raid in 1895, led to the Second Boer War in 1899. The First Boer War began when Transvaal rebelled against the British government in 1881.

1. I beg to disagree with the stats proposed for Sweden's agriculture and industry. While it is true that there were some major iron mines and forges in the North, and there were textile factories in Stockholm and Malmö I daresay these aren't even nearly enough for Very Good. I'd rather say Moderate would be best to describe it, Moderate/Good being the absolute max.

2. Neither is the Agriculture in Sweden worth Food/Very good, quite far from that. Of the whole area of Sweden, the percentage of arable land is rather small, only worthy lands being the Southernmost's of them, and even there the harvests are far from Italian or French equivalents.
Norway's agriculture I would call more like Poor/Moderate than Moderate/Good, due the obvious reasons - there is very little arable land for use. In 2005 2.7%, to be accurate, and I doubt the number was really too much higher in 1876. The mountains were still there.

3. Also, what exactly are the natural resources that give Norway the rating Moderate/Good? This is just out of curiosity, I'm not saying it's too much since I'm not familiar with the subject really but I can hardly remember any natural resources Norway produces/did produce, except oil which they didn't do before the latter half of the 20th century.

I adress point by point. I'm willing to modify what I put up if someone can present information- a link or type it out on the specify subject.

1. Their was alot more then just mines and forges, The Swedish forest industry has played an important part in the Swedish economy since the middle of the 19th century. The engineering industry made its breakthrough at the end of the 19th century. Some of the companies from this period, like Ericsson, ASEA and SKF owe their success to Swedish inventions, and many of them were strongly export-oriented. The first steps towards an industrial economy were taken in the 1870s, a time when England and a few other countries were already well under way in the development process. Although Sweden, industrially speaking, was something of a slow starter, it entered the scene at a favorable moment, when the economic development in the rest of Europe raised international demand and paved the way for Swedish products. The increase in exports that followed partly explains Sweden«s economic growth during the period, but there were internal factors as well. Substantial investments in infrastructure made transports easier, and new, more rational agricultural methods and a rapid population growth provided a large labor force for the developing industry. Considering its few inhabitants, Sweden's contribution to international trade is surprisingly large. With only 0.2 percent of the world population, the country accounts for about 2 percent of the world trade.

3. Pre-industrial revolution- I agree with you on Norway and Sweden on the - Edit I'm going to change it
Prior to the industrial revolution, Norway's economy was largely based on agriculture and fishing. Norwegians typically lived under conditions of considerable scarcity, though famine was rare. Except for certain fertile areas in Hedemarken and Østfold, crops were limited to hardy grains, such as oats, rye, and barley; and livestock to sheep, goats, cattle, pigs, and some poultry; in places this was complemented with hunting. In areas of Northern Norway, the Sami subsisted on the nomadic herding of reindeer. Fishing all around the coast was dangerous work, though fish such as herring, cod, halibut, and other cold-water species were found in abundance. The introduction of the potato to Norway provided considerable relief for Norwegians.

3a. All around the coast, the harvesting of fish (including cod, herring, halibut, and other cold water species) was an important supplement to farming and was in many areas in the north and west the primary household subsistence. Fishing was typically supplemented with crop-growing and the raising of livestock on small farms.= where I got moderate(its not good know- that comes later).

3b. The natural Resources of Norway are about the same as Sweden- fishing, timber, textiles and mining.

OOC:
Manarth is going to be making a post about this soon, when he gets to a comp, but I can tell you this not going to fly.

I have already been informed that the number of Jews that immigrated is 80k, so that affects the rest of my calculation. I will change the number to roughly 50 million pounds.

Just noting here that Brazil's infrastructure, agriculture, and (to a lesser extent) industry are making significant improvements as new roads and railroads are built.

OOC:


I have already been informed that the number of Jews that immigrated is 80k, so that affects the rest of my calculation. I will change the number to roughly 50 million pounds.



Manarth would be saying this to you, but he's away from his comp, and we've discussed this before and also recently on the phone.

You can't declare that you just paid off your debts, when only 40% of them had been forgiven. Thats what all of the mods together had agreed was the British Portion of your Debts. But we decided to let you stick with that, but in return, all of your yearly budget went towards paying it off. That means your army, police forces, government Employees haven't been paid. And since they haven't been paid they aren't spending money which is causing great stress upon your already fragile debt ridden economy. Your Army hasn't been fed in a year, they haven't been given ammunition or training, you have an enourmous desertion problem, your railroads no longer accept government contracts, there is massive unrest in all of the outlying regions of your empire because they sense weakness. Your Navy hasn't left port for some time as they don't have the coal to do so, your sailors are also deserting as THEY haven't been paid, but are at least to get bare subsitinence from fishing. All the clerks in your government aren't working without pay and neither are your tax collectors, so your government is no longer collecting revenue and is on a very powerful downward spiral.




And trust me, just randomly expelling a group of people is difficult to do without the funds to do so.

/waves

Clans is right. Listen to him.

I'm sorry I've been away, but moving / finals / hitching a car ride from Cleveland to West Palm Beach / attending sisters graduation without a computer will do that to you.

I HOPE that I'll FINALLY be back to normal FOR REAL THIS TIME by Thursday or so. Expect semi-daily posts from then on. (Can't think of anything I've got lined up after that anyway.)

Any rulings Clans makes is the result of him discussing things over the phone with me, while I'm incommunicado. If I'm wrong and he's wrong, Ottomans can overrule us, until I get back to the 21st century.

Thank you for bearing with me (bareing?).

If acceptable that is:

Agriculture: Very Good <Improving>
Industry: Moderate/Poor <slightly improving>
Natural Resources: Moderate (Oil not discovered yet)
Infrastructure: Poor
Trade: Moderate/Good (w/ Great Britian, Spain, United States)
Currency Stability: Poor
Labor Relations: Moderate/Poor

How do I improve my currency's stability?

Bump

Bump
That looks good to me.

OOC: In that case, let's say I didn't quite pay all the debt off and instead used that money to pay the most crucial government employees (military and tax collectors.) Then, after taking the 50 million from the Jews, I payed the rest off.

OOC: In that case, let's say I didn't quite pay all the debt off and instead used that money to pay the most crucial government employees (military and tax collectors.) Then, after taking the 50 million from the Jews, I payed the rest off.



OOC: Sorry dude. No. You can't just PAY IT OFF, even expelling X number of jews, or whatever. You declared it paid. So you have no money and still have debt. You fucked up, get used to it.

OOC: In that case, let's say I didn't quite pay all the debt off and instead used that money to pay the most crucial government employees (military and tax collectors.) Then, after taking the 50 million from the Jews, I payed the rest off.
YOU DID NOT GAIN 50 MILLION FROM THE JEWS...the most you could have gotten is 12.2 millions and that's finals...get this idea that the Jews pay you 50 million out of your head. Your bankupt deal with it, smartly...for your own good.

Economy of Siam

Agriculture: Excellent
Industry: Poor
Natural resources: Excellent
Infrastructure: Poor\Moderate
Trade: Poor (With Great Britain & US)
Labour Relations: (A bit hard to tell, my guess would be about poor, since Siam did away with slavery. Allienated a lot of the land owning population.)

ATTN:

I have been pretty busy lately, but I promise that I will have updated economies by 1878.