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The Persian Empire
Map - Population Density (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/iran_population_density_2004.jpg)
Map - Territory Controlled 1872 (http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/615/alaskamap6la.gif)
Map - Territories Lost/Gained from 1800-2000 (http://gulf2000.columbia.edu/images/maps/IranTerritorialChanges_lg.gif)
Flag of the Persian Empire (http://www.nypp.org/images/flag-lg.gif)

Population: 5,350,000
Capital: Tehran
Head of State: Nasser-al-Din Shah
Active Ruler: Nasser-al-Din Shah
Current Army Size: 175,000
~1,000 Stationed in a Garrison outside of the City Merv in North East Persia
~1,000 Stationed North of Firoza on the Russian-Persian Border
~48,000 Stationed South of Meshhad on the Afgani-Persian Border
~17,000 Stationed East of Zabul on the Afgani-Persian Border
~7,000 Stationed North of Chahbahar
~1,000 Stationed in the Makran Region
~1,000 Stationed in the Laristan Region
~5,000 Stationed West of Ahwaz on the Ottoman-Persian Border
~5,000 Tehran
~5,000 Stationed West of Kirmanshah
~5,000 Stationed outside Senneh
~2,000 Stationed North of Tabriz on Russo-Persian Border
Total - 98,000 - Active Duty
Persian Imperial Navy: Absolutely No Idea, any and all info would be appreciated.
Military Status: Due to the reforms of the deceased Emporer, Mohammad Shah Qajar, the Military is largely modernized using up to date European Weapons. Lacking only in artillery strength, their land armies, though not as well trained, are indeed technologically equal to most European Armies. The Navy is undergoing reform as of Nasser-al-Din Shah's mandate.

Construction(s):

Persian Rail Way System

Allies:
N/A

Enemies:
N/A

Belligerant Disposition:
Britain;

Friendly Disposition:
N/A

Colonies:
N/A

Natural resources:
Petroleum, natural gas, coal, chromium, copper, iron ore, lead, manganese, zinc, sulfur

Recent Events:

Feelings of Anti-Foriegnism have begun to spread across the nation. Demands placed upon the government to put up more stringent protectionist laws, and harsher taxation on Non-Muslims. The Government has denied action due to foriegn obligations and political reputation.

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Updated to include Maps, Flag, and Military Locations.

Convict Relocation Act 1872.

Due to considerable economic pressure to increase the production of raw materials, the Emporer has decided to adopt the Convict Relocation Act first drafted in 1868 by several of his closest advisors. The Act calls for all convicts, prisoners and felons serving sentences exceeding one year to be relocated from their designated prisons to predetermined forced labor camps throughout the country. There they will serve a minimum of five years working on major public projects without pay. Likewise, all convicted murderers, rapists, molesters, and political insurgents whom have been released from their terms are hereby re-arrested and are to be placed in such camps until they are deemed fit to return to society.

Possibly the largest project to be undertaken is the National Railroad Construction Deviation. Over 1/3 of the entire convict labor force are to begin working on the nationwide rail system. The supplies needed to construct these railroads are being purchased from independent contractors across the world, as well as several engineers from Europe to aid in the building process. These 'Labor Gangs' have begun working in Urmia, Tehran, Merv, Chahbahar, Muhammara and Kashan. Some 37,000 Convicts across the country have been armed with shovels, picks, axes, sledge hammers and building utensils, inspired by the promise of an Official Pardon when the railroad system is finished, granting them freedom long before the rest of the Convict Labor Force. Constant Cammel and Horse trains pull supplies, water and food to the labor gangs which never stop moving forward. Working 24 hours a day, different shifts are working non stop. During the night hours, torches are lit and artificial light created. In addition to the convicts working on the project, some 35,000 logistical non-active soldiers have taken up the same work, yet under much better conditions, as they are paid their regular army wages with a slight monetary increase. The rail ways would be built... one way or another.

Map of Railroads to be Built (http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/1268/napmap1rr.gif)

Yet another portion of the CLF would take up work on similar projects, such as the road reconstruction act. 4,000 men across the nation would work on rebuilding the roads across the nation as well as repairing bridges, and performing the menail tasks which demanded attention.

The remainder of the labor force would take up work in Government Owned Mines across the nation, twelve of which were currently being opened. Iron, copper and salt mines would recieve 18,000 new employees, all working for subsistance meals. Working 16 hours a day, that left 8 for sleeping and eating. Production of raw materials is expected to increase dramatically, thus increasing the governments buying power as such materials were sold to private contractors. The total number of 'hobos' and bums in the nation have dramically lowered, as unemployed peoples deemed 'useless to society' have been taken and sent to these camps as well. Not all unemployed are being removed from mainstream society, only those whom are not actively pursuing jobs, are not attempting to support families, and those whom are simply serving no purpose to the area around them.

In relatively unrelated news, the government is now considering small business loans to increase the industrial power of the nation. Promising business' are granted low intrest loans in hopes that factories will open, creating more jobs, and in general, improving the nation.

OOC: Quick question where your getting the money for this railroad project, I know Persia doesn't have much funds at this time...are you getting loans from some European power like Britain. Also what's the treaty that Russia made Persia give up Merv to them...I can't it anyway..

OOC: You're good to go. Slave labor isn't pretty, but it'll get the job done.

Consider your infrastructure increasing, and your industry increasing slightly... your worker relations is going to take a hit; but hey, who cares what those folks think, right?

(This project would not be all that expensive considering exactly what it takes. Yes, rail lines can be 'expensive', however, the funds created by the forced labor mining camps would more than enough to cover the expense. Paying the workers is a non-issue, as they are either criminals working for food, or military men who were being paid anyways. Wooden planks are easily created by the few industrial factories in the nation, and seeing as there are massive forests in the north, wood is not an issue. The only real problem is paying for it, which is taken care of by the funds made in the mining camps, which are creating large amounts of iron and copper ore. Loans are not needed, the project should be paying for itself, if not making a little extra.

And the treaty in which the Persians surrendered Southern Turkmenistan (Merv, Firmosa, etc.) is known as the Treaty of 1881.

And the labor relation issue will actually be playing into my hands... *grins wickedly*)

OOC: I see... have fun with that then.

Military Revamp

Today Emporer Nasser-al-Din Shah has passed a series of laws granting more power to the Supreme Imperial Commander of the Armed Forces of the Empire, General Angkor Krom. Although not Persian by birth, he has won the respect and praise of not only the military, but the populous as a whole. Well known as a Russo-Fighter, he lead several victorious campaigns against the Russian Empire as the head of Turkistani Rebel Armies, backed by volenteer Persian Forces as well as Mercenary Afgani and Pakistani Tribes. Although ultimately defeated in the fight, he is respected throughout Persia and the surrounding world, fleeing Turkistan only after all hope was lost, accepting the position of Supreme Imperial Commander as his predacessor was executed for treason.

In the laws passed by Nasser-al-Din, Krom is now legally permitted to change training regiments, reorganize the structure of the armed forces and even hire/fire/arrest military personel. The Imperial Commander is now permitted to issue contracts with foriegn nations/corporations regarding the armament of the military, wether it be purchasing or selling armaments. Among Krom's new powers includes the ability to call a limited draft, redeploy troops and order the construction of military installations. These changes may have been undertaken for several reasons, the first being the Emporer's knoledge that Krom, militarily speaking, was Persia's only hope in the instance they were invaded. A second being an attempt to boost his own popularity. By 'promoting' the most popular man in the country, he hoped to make himself look better. Things did not however, play out in his favor, as the moves made by the Shah merely placed Krom on a pedastle.

Taking advantage of his new gained power, Krom has restructured the entire training program to make the armed forces more terrain oriented. Harsh training regiments include long hours of physically straining work in the desert. Divisions head out into the desert, and will not return for months. Long distance running, camoflague techniques and basic life in the desert are pounded into the heads of the soldiers as they become adept to the enviroment. Likewise, training in the mountains has increased tenfold, as techniques learned in previous fighting in Turkmenistan are passed onto the standard Persian grunts.

In yet another unusual move, Krom has ordered the contrustion of 500 'Divine Shields'. A previously disregarded invention of a Persian Inventor, the Divine Shield is merely a 6mm thick slab of iron, 3 feet wide, 4 feet high with two rope handles, and two iron spikes at the bottom of the shield used to drive it into the ground. In addition to the spikes, there are two iron pegs loosly attached, used to prop it up at an angle. Finally, there is a small rectangle 6'' long and 2'' tall cut out at the top, used as asight hole. The Shield is used exactly as it sounds, to shield soldiers from enemy shots. Krom believes it will be useful... many advisors doubt it... but what the hell, he has only ordered 500... worst comes to worst, some Persian Company just made a buck.

In movements, he has ordered 5,000 soldiers from the Laristan and Makran Regions to move to Meshhad and 5,000 from Ahwaz to the same region. (15,000 Total) Likewise, an additional 10,000 men have been called up from the off duty soldiers for additional training throughout the nation.

OOC: Note: There is no such thing as Pakistan, therefore there is no such thing as Pakistani tribes...yet the better term for the tribes of Afghanistan is Pakhtun. Plus Angkor Krom is not really a Turkic sounding name..its more Southeast Asian then to Central Asian

IC:

To:Emporer Nasser-al-Din Shah

Tsar Alexander II Nikolaevitch, wishs to sign a pact of Non Aggression for eight years in the hopes of improving relations between our nation and ensuring peace between our states.

Count Nikolai Pavlovich Ignatiev

(While the nation of Pakistan does not exist, there were Pakistani Tribes inhabiting the North Western Regions of the British India Colony (AKA, Pakistan) If you wish to call them British Indian Colony Tribes of the North West, be my guest... but it sounds awkward to me. We call people from Puerto Rico, Puerto Ricans even though there is no nation known as Puerto Rico... they are technically Americans, but nobody calls them such.

And I never said Angkor Krom was from Central Asia. The only information given was that he was not Persian, and was fighting for the Turkistani Rebel Forces. Where he comes from has yet to be disclosed.)

To: St. Petersburgh, Russia
From: Tehran, Persia

Dear Count Ignatiev,

In hopes of improving our nations' not so stable relationship, we will gladly sign an eight year Non-Aggression Pact, granted we be allowed to place certain specifics in said agreement. These provisions in addition to the 8 Year Standard Non-Agression Pact should soldify the deal.
1. Niether the Empire of Russia nor the Empire of Persia shall place anymore than 5,000 troops total along the Russo-Persian border.
2. Niether the Empire of Russia nor the Empire of Persia shall allow foriegn nations to launch attacks and or invasions from their land into the land of the cosigning party.
3. Niether the Empire of Russia nor the Empire of Persia shall actively supply the enemy of the cosigning party with military supplies.

In addition to the NAP, we are interested in forming a closer economic partnership, starting possibly with the construction of an international railroad, the lowering tariffs on goods from and greater financial and monetary cooperation.

Signed,
Premiere Amin Kasiv

OOC: I see your point on the Pakistani Tribes...its better just call them the nomads of North West India to me.who well..


The Imperial Russian Government has agree to your terms and hopes this peace can help our nations understand eachother better as time passes.

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Count Nikolai Pavlovich Ignatiev

The Tehran 'Riots'

The day opened up with the streets of Tehran flooded with disgruntled civilians, shouting out slogans such as 'Burn the foriegn devil', and 'Protect the Fatherland'. Spurred mainly by traditional conservative elements of society, the hot blodded young of society have found common ground with their elders as they grow jealous... enraged over the sucess of minority immigrants in society. They demand harsher taxation on Non-Muslim Peoples, specifically Jews. The people, driven both by rascist and economic rage began placing exuberant amounts of pressure on the government, wanting more than simple taxation, they demanded segregation, persecution and degredation of the infedels. They wanted superiority to these damned heathens, these heathens whom simply walked into the country and became rich off of what they considered, "The Fruits of their Labors."

As the day woar on, Nasser-al-Din Shah begged the crowds to disperse, telling them they were, 'Shaming their families'. This decleration quickly evolved via the 'telephone effect', into the Emporer Proclaiming, 'The Foriegners were the pride of Persia, the Protestors the shame of Allah.' The rage of the demonstrators escalated with every passing moment, yet the protests continued to rage on. The local mosques, the 'clergy' were direct subordinates of the Emporer, thus repeated the irritating message, demanding the protestors return to their homes and beg forgiveness from God. This did not bode well with the mobs.

It was only a matter of time before the incident turned violent, and it soon did. Two Jewish Bankers were torn from their homes and butchered in broad daylight with machetes and rocks... this would be the only real violence caused by the 'rioters'. However, the Emporer's Royal Guard was now ordered to put down the protests. Nasser had expected a simple spree of arrests, a few scuffles and the incident to end... this was not the case. Armed with State of the Art German Mauser Breechloading rifles, the first division of the Guard opened fire on a mob of angry protestors, killing 12 and wounding 32 in the first volley. The horde of infuriated civilians, relatively peaceful, quickly turned from a forocious lion to a frightened rabbit, and began scurrying about, running for their lives in a panick stricken orgy of chaos. However the Royal Guard were the Cossacks of Persia, ruthless, iron willed elites, under the command of deadly loyal officers who took the slightest hint of insubordination as treachery. A second volley killed 9 and wounded 18. This remote action in the center of the city soon spread to other divisions in Tehran, and within the hour 394 Civilians lay dead, 1,200 wounded, the rest hiding in their homes, praying for their lives.

The people no longer simply held anger for the foriegn beasts... they now held anger for the government... they held rage for the government and all its offspring... of which the Shi'a Religion appeared to be. The People had been disgruntled with their leader and his rule for quite some time, but never had they believed him capable of this type of atrocity. He was quickly linked to the idea of foriegnism, frequently called a traitor, a heritic that loved the whites, the Jews more than his own people. Never had an Emporer's popularity been so low...

Why did he not appease the masses? Why did he deny their requests? Foriegn Appeal was the sole reason. He had taken a strong liking to the Leaders of Europe, their ways, their people, their civilization, he refused to make Persia, to make himself look like the uncivilised heathens of Africa. He wanted European Friendship, not somthing easily obtained by persecuting their people in his land. The Jews? Truth be told, the Jewish Bankers in Tehran and West Persia were the ones lining his palaces with gold. Nasser-al-Din Shah was obsessed with wealth and luxury, he invisioned that the most decorated palace meant the strongest nation. He put the Jews above the law in order to line his pockets and the pockets of the nobles around him.

There was but one authority figure the people still respected in the government, one man that kept the people from wide spread revolution. One man so respected the masses not dare revolt against him, dare not challenge his veteran hand. The man was known as Angkor Krom.

OOC: And what of the Surveyors, Engineers and Contractors? Certainly they will want to be paid a fair wage to complete such a railway, especially when such occupations are not commonly found throughout Persia (I wouldn't be surprised if you were forced to hire foreign officals for these purposes which would cost even more).

Then one must consider how much will be lost to corruption. Obviously, in any project this massive, corruption among officals will be rampant and as a result, money will be lost, and schedules will be delayed (which will lead to a greater amount of money lost).

Loans are not needed, the project should be paying for itself, if not making a little extra.

And how is that (I didn't think Persia, as of this time, was blessed with too much capital to spend on such projects)?

The only real problem is paying for it, which is taken care of by the funds made in the mining camps, which are creating large amounts of iron and copper ore.

You may make a profit off selling such commodites but that's not to say that revenue will be instant. Plus, accidents will happen in mines, bandits will sieze shipments of ore and corruption (as always) will suck up some of it as well.

Also, locomotives and the cars will cost quite a penny along with the machinery to maintain them and fuel (coal, which I don't think Persia has too much of) them.

Add to this the cost of building train-stations, rail junctions, bridges, tunnels, dynamite while fixing any accidents that may occur and boy the bills do start piling up.

Of course, this isn't to say that such a plan isn't possible. I'm just saying that it won't be a walk in the park.

And what of the Surveyors, Engineers and Contractors? Certainly they will want to be paid a fair wage to complete such a railway, especially when such occupations are not commonly found throughout Persia (I wouldn't be surprised if you were forced to hire foreign officals for these purposes which would cost even more).

Surveying is actually a very common trade in Central Asia, finding and paying a team would not be all that expensive. Even so, Persia is, unlike much of the 'New World' heavily documented. Thousands of years of building roads, taking geographic statistics and surveys has not come without reward. Most of the country is known as well as any nation, with statistics already compiled.

Engineers would of course be an expense, however, I am not attempting to field armies of them, simply a sufficient amount to direct the construction of the rail road. While they will require money, it is not an amount that will quickly bankrupt the national treasury.

Contractors are not needed at all. This is a completely State Run Program, built and operated by the state with investment of parties to be stated later. The Engineers, Surveyors and Workers are all under the employment of the govt. I am not about to waste my already depleted funds overpaying European Companys to build somthing I can get done myself.

And how is that (I didn't think Persia, as of this time, was blessed with too much capital to spend on such projects)?

As has been revealed in the later part of the RP, the Royal Govt. is under the heavy influence of Jewish Banking Firms throughout the Mideast and Europe, they are providing a sizeable amount of start up cash in return for the majority of private profits from the plan, however that is not what I meant by saying the 'Project would pay for itself'.

The mines will create quite a bit of revenue, and while that revenue may not be instantaneous, any half witted banker can see a profitable loan opportunity when it stares him in the face. The Banker can see the mines will make a good deal of money, thus, they front the cash, and are paid back as the raw materials are sold off. The marginal amount lost as payment for the loan once again is not enough to undermine the entire operation.

Plus, accidents will happen in mines, bandits will sieze shipments of ore and corruption (as always) will suck up some of it as well.

Accidents always happen in mining operations, and yet they continue to make large amounts of profit. When the miners are not being paid... mining is very advantagous to creating cash.

The issue of bandits is still real in the world, however we have to remember somthing. Persia has been on the brink of war with Russia, Britain and the Ottoman Empire for the last fifty years, forcing them to keep a relatively large number of active soldiers up. Now these soldiers are not always sitting on the border staring at the ruskies... the govt. realizing the importance of these shipments to the entire nation, will take large detachments of troops to guard them, 500 men not being a large amount for a single load. Now bandits want quick cash type items... I doubt they are going to risk attacking large, heavily defended convoys for wagon loads of copper ore... somthing very difficult to sell in large amounts without catching somones eye.

You already awnsered the issue of corruption believe it or not. When one had less money, he has a greater tendency to watch every last bit of that money. Persia as you said, is poor. There are not multitudes of money floating around the government in such quantaties that it cannot be kept in track. If you have more money, the easier it is to lose more money. If you have little money, it is much more difficult to lose track of it. I am assuming you are expecting the same kind of corruption to take place in this project as occured in the US Railroad project... however, the situations are vastly different. First of all, the US employed private enterprises to build their Railway, opening up a major gap for corruption. The Persian Railways are Govt. built, thus, all money is staying inside the govt., making it easier to watch. Again, the US was spending alot of money, the US had alot of money. More money to watch, the easier it is to lose that money.

For instance, assume you are sitting at a table with one dollar. There are twenty red cups next to that dollar. The dollar is placed under a cup, and they are all shuffled around. You try to watch, to follow your dollar. Chances are, you can keep track of it. Now lets try the same thing with ten dollars under twenty cups. What are the chances you can keep track of all ten dollars? I hope you're catching my purpose... corruption is much less rampid when there isnt much money to steal.

Also, locomotives and the cars will cost quite a penny along with the machinery to maintain them and fuel (coal, which I don't think Persia has too much of) them.

Coal is one of the most common natural resources in Iran, massive deposits exist in the west. It was one of the major raw materials exported in the 19th Century.

Add to this the cost of building train-stations, rail junctions, bridges, tunnels, dynamite while fixing any accidents that may occur and boy the bills do start piling up.

Tunnels and TNT blasts should be rare as the majority of the rail road is in the central-southern regions. Flat lands. Very few rails go into/through the moutains.

All things considered, the cost of a team of engineers, TNT, rails and machinery can be covered (and then some) by the selling of thousands of tons of iron, coal and copper in addition to considerable national investment matched with private banking input.

Of course, this isn't to say that such a plan isn't possible. I'm just saying that it won't be a walk in the park.

If I expected a walk in the park, I wouldnt be using slave labor to build my rail road. :P

As has been revealed in the later part of the RP, the Royal Govt. is under the heavy influence of Jewish Banking Firms throughout the Mideast and Europe, they are providing a sizeable amount of start up cash in return for the majority of private profits from the plan, however that is not what I meant by saying the 'Project would pay for itself'.


Dear me did I hear Jewish Banking Firms...in Persia....what's next Armenians becoming the Sultan of the Ottomans...has the world gone insane...what next...the President of the United States is Black by 1890...this is too much for me...

(I guess its odd... it is historical fact, but if you think that actual historical truth is unbelievable... well, whatever. In the first Israelite Diaspora, tens of thousands of Jews moved to Persia and over time took near control of the banking industry in the nation. The Jews made up some 2% of the Population in the 19th Century, for the most part wealthy, aristocratic banking/financing peoples. Jewish Banking/Investing/Financing has been a corner stone of Persian Rule since 700 BC... this is actual historical fact, not a made up portion of an RP. There were Jewish Banking Firms in Persia up until the creation of the Jewish State (Israel), in which tensions flared up, and the Jewish in the mideast fled. This is by no means 'a stretch', or 'too much'. This actually is how things were...)

Of couse I know that Persia has a number of Jews around this time period, yet I didn't know they were that RICH to be banking firms, the only Jewish Banking Firms were mainly in Europe or America, but not Persia...heck I have alot of Jews in Russia...but are they the bankers.....yes...but I doubt Persian Jews fit the same boot as European Jews in terms of having such large banking firm for this time period, yet I do belive the fact they were rich...but that rich to give loans for railroads that's unclear...don't mind me...I am just the local Middle Eastern History Resident Loon...

(The Jewish Banking Firms throughout the Mid East and Persia were first off, linked to those in Europe. Many of them owned by the same families. But regardless, the Jewish Firms in Persia and the Ottoman Empire were ridiculously powerful, they had a basic monopoly on the entire industry, much stronger than most nations banking systems, as they could never hope to gain virtual monopolies in their nations. A small group of banking firms control all banking in Persia, and are connected to those in Europe. Powerful enough to help fund a rail road? The Jewish firms in Persia could have bought the entire country if it were for sale... equally influential, if not more so than European Jewish Firms (which in many cases, were the same firms). And as of 1872... Jewish Banking in the USofA is relatively new, coming in primarily after the Panic of 1837. They have been rooting in for less than 40 years, and are facing stiff resistance from other firms... the Banking Firms in Persia have been dominating the market for the bast 2500 years, with little to no competition. There shouldnt be much of a problem with my having Jewish Banking Firms help* pay for this project.)

Yeah, that correct....I must not been thinking, alright...I must quite rambling on ....I'll take my leave and stop bugging you...for now...time to hunt down the lazy players who won't post their news theads...btw do you have MSN..

(Hehe, no problem. Better annoy me and make sure ive got it right than let errors sit around. I dont have MSN, but my AIM is Helzman47 .MSN hasnt been working for me lately.)

I like the research you put into this.

Consider your worker relations effectively trashed.

Krazykrazykelso on AIM.

Political Retribution.

Three days after the Tehran riots, and similar protests throughout the country, the Emporer, Nasser-al-Din Shah issued a Royal Decree. All peoples involved in the organization of the protests were hereby arrested, and would be immidietly apprehended by members of the Royal Guard and the local police and temporarily detained in county prisons from which they would be sent to forced labor camps in the salt mines far out in the desert for an undetermined period of time. The Charge? Treason. Disloyalty to the Royal Throne of the Qujar Dynasty. Insubordination. Heresy. The refutation of Allah's holiness. They would be punished by an undetermined amount of time in several forced labor camps throughout Persia.

The Emporer did not come up with this idea, he had actually favored issuing an official apology to the people, and partially complying with their demands. But he was not truly in control of the nation. He was surrounded by his advisors, nobles, and the aristocratic elite of society, including the Jewish Bankers of Tehran, enraged over the death of two of their own to a rabid horde. The Nobles were less concerned with the power of the Jews, and focused on the insubordination of the people, which they considered an insult against God. The Emporers advisors told him an apology would make him look weak, and what the people needed was to be awe struck, hit with fear. Those surrounding the Emporer twisted his position to the point in which he condemned some 9,000 people, citizens, to the hell hole of Persia... the salt mines in the scortched land of the Great Salt Desert.

The people were enraged, they yearned for change. Years of being deprived of normal living, years of being told they were dirt, years of being dirt... they had had enough. Teetering on the brink of revolution, Persia was in for an over haul.

(Yes, I know, there should be revolts... just be patient, it's coming.)

OOC: Revolutions usually take a few years to really get going anyway. Even with your repressive politics, I'd see about 3-4 years before you start getting an armed rebellion.

OOC: Revolutions usually take a few years to really get going anyway. Even with your repressive politics, I'd see about 3-4 years before you start getting an armed rebellion.
OOC: Yeah, I have to agree with Manarth on this matter...and I am Russia..it took up to 1905 for the revolution to happen althought it failed and didn't worked intill 1918...but back to the point these things take time and Manarth can you get on AIM if you can right now.

(The people have been disgruntled for quite some time. Nasser was viewed as a foriegn lover, a betrayer of the true Persian Culture due to his trips to Europe. He was very dictatorial in his style of rule, harsh and persecutory against several groups inside the nation. He has been in power since 1848... the people have been grumbling for more than a few years. The only reason there was no RL Major Rebellion (There were several small ones) was due to his assassination. Im kickstarting that anger, and with a little motivation from the idol of the people, there will be no widespread revolution, but a coup d'état. Coups are actually much popular that revolutions, especially when a figure head loved by the people leads it.)

Military Revamp

Today Emporer Nasser-al-Din Shah has passed a series of laws granting more power to the Supreme Imperial Commander of the Armed Forces of the Empire, General Angkor Krom. Although not Persian by birth, he has won the respect and praise of not only the military, but the populous as a whole. Well known as a Russo-Fighter, he lead several victorious campaigns against the Russian Empire as the head of Turkistani Rebel Armies, backed by volenteer Persian Forces as well as Mercenary Afgani and Pakistani Tribes. Although ultimately defeated in the fight, he is respected throughout Persia and the surrounding world, fleeing Turkistan only after all hope was lost, accepting the position of Supreme Imperial Commander as his predacessor was executed for treason.

In the laws passed by Nasser-al-Din, Krom is now legally permitted to change training regiments, reorganize the structure of the armed forces and even hire/fire/arrest military personel. The Imperial Commander is now permitted to issue contracts with foriegn nations/corporations regarding the armament of the military, wether it be purchasing or selling armaments. Among Krom's new powers includes the ability to call a limited draft, redeploy troops and order the construction of military installations. These changes may have been undertaken for several reasons, the first being the Emporer's knoledge that Krom, militarily speaking, was Persia's only hope in the instance they were invaded. A second being an attempt to boost his own popularity. By 'promoting' the most popular man in the country, he hoped to make himself look better. Things did not however, play out in his favor, as the moves made by the Shah merely placed Krom on a pedastle.

Taking advantage of his new gained power, Krom has restructured the entire training program to make the armed forces more terrain oriented. Harsh training regiments include long hours of physically straining work in the desert. Divisions head out into the desert, and will not return for months. Long distance running, camoflague techniques and basic life in the desert are pounded into the heads of the soldiers as they become adept to the enviroment. Likewise, training in the mountains has increased tenfold, as techniques learned in previous fighting in Turkmenistan are passed onto the standard Persian grunts.

In yet another unusual move, Krom has ordered the contrustion of 500 'Divine Shields'. A previously disregarded invention of a Persian Inventor, the Divine Shield is merely a 6mm thick slab of iron, 3 feet wide, 4 feet high with two rope handles, and two iron spikes at the bottom of the shield used to drive it into the ground. In addition to the spikes, there are two iron pegs loosly attached, used to prop it up at an angle. Finally, there is a small rectangle 6'' long and 2'' tall cut out at the top, used as asight hole. The Shield is used exactly as it sounds, to shield soldiers from enemy shots. Krom believes it will be useful... many advisors doubt it... but what the hell, he has only ordered 500... worst comes to worst, some Persian Company just made a buck.

In movements, he has ordered 5,000 soldiers from the Laristan and Makran Regions to move to Meshhad and 5,000 from Ahwaz to the same region. (15,000 Total) Likewise, an additional 10,000 men have been called up from the off duty soldiers for additional training throughout the nation.


6mm won't stop any sort of rifle round fired from any sort of range.

and that thing will actually be somewhat heavy (i'd say in the range of 40-50 pounds)


Good luck with that.

(Worked for the Germans in real life during WWI... no reason it shouldnt work against less powerful guns forty years earlier... dont need much luck if it historically worked. Stopped pretty much any bullet besides Elephant Gun Rounds from 300+ yards... this isnt some RP invention... this is RL tech. Saying it doesnt work is like saying an Abram doesnt work.)

OOC: Clans, I'm not sure where you got the thickness. I didn't see anywhere where he says the thickness is 6mm.

Kroando, can you give us a link or source for this? Possibly more on the statistics... How it will be used, or how exactly it was effective in real life. Something that shows the military mod how you will be using it, when and where it would be effective, ect.

The difference being that this RL tech is strange and not common to most people with knowlege of WWI. Saying an Abrams won't work... everyone knows what an Abrams is. Saying this won't work, and no one is really sure what it is in the first place. Hell, for all I know it isn't real and it doesn't work.

In short... Clans, ask for references first. Kroando, don't pick a very obscure technology and act suprised when people question it's legitimacy when you don't supply sources and post that you're not sure whether it will work or not IC.

Military Revamp

Today Emporer Nasser-al-Din Shah has passed a series of laws granting more power to the Supreme Imperial Commander of the Armed Forces of the Empire, General Angkor Krom. Although not Persian by birth, he has won the respect and praise of not only the military, but the populous as a whole. Well known as a Russo-Fighter, he lead several victorious campaigns against the Russian Empire as the head of Turkistani Rebel Armies, backed by volenteer Persian Forces as well as Mercenary Afgani and Pakistani Tribes. Although ultimately defeated in the fight, he is respected throughout Persia and the surrounding world, fleeing Turkistan only after all hope was lost, accepting the position of Supreme Imperial Commander as his predacessor was executed for treason.

In the laws passed by Nasser-al-Din, Krom is now legally permitted to change training regiments, reorganize the structure of the armed forces and even hire/fire/arrest military personel. The Imperial Commander is now permitted to issue contracts with foriegn nations/corporations regarding the armament of the military, wether it be purchasing or selling armaments. Among Krom's new powers includes the ability to call a limited draft, redeploy troops and order the construction of military installations. These changes may have been undertaken for several reasons, the first being the Emporer's knoledge that Krom, militarily speaking, was Persia's only hope in the instance they were invaded. A second being an attempt to boost his own popularity. By 'promoting' the most popular man in the country, he hoped to make himself look better. Things did not however, play out in his favor, as the moves made by the Shah merely placed Krom on a pedastle.

Taking advantage of his new gained power, Krom has restructured the entire training program to make the armed forces more terrain oriented. Harsh training regiments include long hours of physically straining work in the desert. Divisions head out into the desert, and will not return for months. Long distance running, camoflague techniques and basic life in the desert are pounded into the heads of the soldiers as they become adept to the enviroment. Likewise, training in the mountains has increased tenfold, as techniques learned in previous fighting in Turkmenistan are passed onto the standard Persian grunts.

In yet another unusual move, Krom has ordered the contrustion of 500 'Divine Shields'. A previously disregarded invention of a Persian Inventor, the Divine Shield is merely a 6mm thick slab of iron, 3 feet wide, 4 feet high with two rope handles, and two iron spikes at the bottom of the shield used to drive it into the ground. In addition to the spikes, there are two iron pegs loosly attached, used to prop it up at an angle. Finally, there is a small rectangle 6'' long and 2'' tall cut out at the top, used as asight hole. The Shield is used exactly as it sounds, to shield soldiers from enemy shots. Krom believes it will be useful... many advisors doubt it... but what the hell, he has only ordered 500... worst comes to worst, some Persian Company just made a buck.

In movements, he has ordered 5,000 soldiers from the Laristan and Makran Regions to move to Meshhad and 5,000 from Ahwaz to the same region. (15,000 Total) Likewise, an additional 10,000 men have been called up from the off duty soldiers for additional training throughout the nation.


*cough*

(Worked for the Germans in real life during WWI... no reason it shouldnt work against less powerful guns forty years earlier... dont need much luck if it historically worked. Stopped pretty much any bullet besides Elephant Gun Rounds from 300+ yards... this isnt some RP invention... this is RL tech. Saying it doesnt work is like saying an Abram doesnt work.)


Links. Give me links.


ANd it couldn't have worked too well with the germans, cause I haven't heard much about it.

http://home.hetnet.nl/~supersmit/ww1/phototour3.html
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t8621.html
http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-weapons/trenches.htm
Reference to Sniper Shield (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.pixelcreations.co.uk/Education%2520Packs/Attack.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.pixelcreations.co.uk/Education%2520Packs/education_packs.htm&h=300&w=181&sz=8&tbnid=fuXzB0XJoRVqHM:&tbnh=111&tbnw=66&hl=en&start=33&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsniper%2Bshield%26start%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN)
http://home.hetnet.nl/~supersmit/pic/ger_shield2.jpg

Look down the list for 'German Sniper Shields'. It was used during trench warfare on both fronts with initial sucess. Snipers could move relatviely deep into 'No Mans Land' and pick off enemy soldiers that put their heads over the trench line'. Why did it eventually fail? 1. The Brits brought over elephant guns, and elephant guns toar through them like paper. 2. Artillery.

The thickness may be off, I have had trouble finding the exact statistics on the devices. In real life, it was used by snipers to move several hundred yards away from the enemy trench, and pick off the enemy. The technology is pretty obscure, but only due to the British Possession of high powered guns.

I am not trying to make anyone look stupid for not knowing of this tech, I simply dont have much patience for sombody randomly calling my devices pieces of shit without having done any research on the topic first.

http://home.hetnet.nl/~supersmit/ww1/phototour3.html
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t8621.html
http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-weapons/trenches.htm
Reference to Sniper Shield (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.pixelcreations.co.uk/Education%2520Packs/Attack.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.pixelcreations.co.uk/Education%2520Packs/education_packs.htm&h=300&w=181&sz=8&tbnid=fuXzB0XJoRVqHM:&tbnh=111&tbnw=66&hl=en&start=33&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsniper%2Bshield%26start%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN)
http://home.hetnet.nl/~supersmit/pic/ger_shield2.jpg

Look down the list for 'German Sniper Shields'. It was used during trench warfare on both fronts with initial sucess. Snipers could move relatviely deep into 'No Mans Land' and pick off enemy soldiers that put their heads over the trench line'. Why did it eventually fail? 1. The Brits brought over elephant guns, and elephant guns toar through them like paper. 2. Artillery.

The thickness may be off, I have had trouble finding the exact statistics on the devices. In real life, it was used by snipers to move several hundred yards away from the enemy trench, and pick off the enemy. The technology is pretty obscure, but only due to the British Possession of high powered guns.

I am not trying to make anyone look stupid for not knowing of this tech, I simply dont have much patience for sombody randomly calling my devices pieces of shit without having done any research on the topic first.


With the statistics you gave me, they are a piece of shit. Secondly, this tech was developed for a certain type of warfare FORTY YEARS later, so you can't bring it out any faster than me bringing in the Airplane.

Listen your talking to someone that plays with REAL guns alot. Both in the Military world and the Civilian World. And I also have a good idea how Body Armor works.

Just to give you a little backround on myself. I'm a Military Police Soldier in the United States Army. I also own several Handguns and Rifles of my own. I have shot a WIDE and I do mean a WIDE variety of weapons and I have a fair idea of what sort of penetration different types of rounds are capable of.

You want to bring something to the table with only vauge references about it and even admitting to not knowing the actual stats, so you fudged them? So i made a judgement based on a Fudged stat and then asked for links. AND YOU get snippy.

And just a little side not on Armor, not until the recent Ceramic technology has there been an Armor that is both man portable and capable of stoping Rifle Caliber Bullets.


And lastly your frickin PERSIA, not GERMANY. There is a difference in both the industrial and technogical development of both countries.

For crying out loud, can you please take some criticism without exploding at the person doing the criticism?

As for the shields... there are some problems. 1: The resources you have used show the shield's existance, however they do not show how the shield was used, if it was used effectively, and one is a forum that we don't have the time to navigate looking for a reference. 2: These sheilds were used in WWI. WWI was the first time trench warfare is seen, and these sheilds don't seem to be of much use to anyone that isn't involved in trench warfare. Likely, when used, Armies will simply outflank the shield. 3: As the shields were used in WWI, and that they weren't seen in combat outside of WWI and it being 1872 and WWI beginning in RL around 1914... there is no reason to invent such a device yet.

As a historian, I find myself continuouly confused by your posts, and your need to argue every little point with the mods. While you seem well read, and intelligent, your attidute has been one of haughty superiority and general combativeness.

I am not going to give you another chance, as I believe that you have already had enough time to show that you are willing to work peacefully within our RP. Good luck on your future endevors, and learn to how to listen.

I concur with Manarth's assessment, good bye. And good riddance.

All effective RP's survive off of the flexability of the moderating staff. If they cannot listen to dissenting points of view (or more importantly, defend their own points of view without banning people), if they can not handle cirticism to their rulings, if they cannot deal with people's opinions that do not reflect their own to the point, the RP usually fails. It appears as if the moderating staff has the flexability of an iron rod (With the exception of Ottoman Kalif and the number of other moderators I have yet to have the pleasure of meeting). I just hope you all never run for public office in the US... youd break down in twenty minutes.

With that said, good luck on the RP.