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On an isolated island deep in the pacific, two small towns are built. They are completely empty of citizenry. Most contain what would be inside a small town.

Off the coast a fair distance away two dozen high speed dual hulled military catamarans of various sizes and configurations wait.

Two missiles are launched. The first town is hit with a cloud of industrial destruction bacterium. The bacterium spread over the building eat the iron, metal, plastic, asphalt, oil and plastic based material, silicate, and composite materials. The town melts slowly turning into a sludge of brownish and reddish bacterium. Men with high powered flamethrowers try to counter the sludge, also counter bacterium are launched at the sludge. This doesn't work because of the multiple strains of bacterium. After the men are finished a thermobaric weapon is dropped on the town. This is derived from our industrial cleanup materials-- oil eating bacteria, radiation eating bacteria, etc. This is PMT technology.

The second town is hit with nano-disassemblers. Minute robots designed to break down materials into their component parts. We are not sure if this works. The town still stands somewhat, Most of the buildings are missing chunks from the windows are gone, the only thing left is the organic part of the buildings-- wood and a few other things. Another missile hits, this has another nanite programmed to shut off the disassemblers. We use disassemblers in our garbage and waste reprocessing technology. Pour the ground up garbage into vats. Send in disassemblers to process it into component elements. This is PMT technology. It can't be used in MT/PMT settings only pure PMT and future tech.

a bacteria that eats iron, metal, plastic, asphalt, oil and plastic based material, silicate, and composite materials? no! godmod!

nano thing, FT but possible

This is not a single bacteria, but a bacterial soup. Two or three bacteria for each material packed into an airborn explosive. It took time to develop. There are oil eating bacteria, radiation eating bacteria, iron eating bacteria, asphalt eating bacteria. This makes it even harder to stop.

This is the research which is being used. It is being done. I am wondering how this would work. http://www.sunshine-project.org/publications/bk/bk9en.html . You would be surprised at what this could do. Make comments about what you think will and won't work based on the article. I think it might take a week or a month for this to happen, but it probably would happen. Deinococcus Radiodurans can eat small amounts of radioactive material.

Note: I was hoping to use this in a future RP involving.... I was also interested in slowly developing the Eco Ranger unit from Civilization 2 that could turn a city into a forest.

OOC: There is no bacteria that eats radioactivity....otherwise we'd all be running nuclear reactors in the world. Radioactivity doesn't function that way. Iron eating bacteria also take MANY MANY MANY years to do damage. Your weapon is an utter exaggeration and godmod.

OOC: There is no bacteria that eats radioactivity....otherwise we'd all be running nuclear reactors in the world. Radioactivity doesn't function that way. Iron eating bacteria also take MANY MANY MANY years to do damage. Your weapon is an utter exaggeration and godmod.

How in the world do you godmod made up technology.

If I said the bacteria would destroy a city in a month or two would that work. Slow unstoppable decay of everything. Some things would go faster, others would still be around but seriously degraded. Or should I stick to one bacteria like an oil eating bacteria that also ate plastic, got into car and tank engines and could wipe out a nations oil supply slowly if they didn't seal everything tightly. I am thinking it would be a prelude event like this was released on x nation and they needed help.

It is amazing what people believe is possible and what isn't possible. I can use a perpetual motion machine here and people will believe it. In contrast I can't use satellite jamming technology which is in use today because no one will believe it. It is very interesting to see what some people consider a god mod. Virtually everything I have used has been based on existing technology or projections of existing technology which I look up. It can get very entertaining. There is a very narrow focus here. People want to use basic stuff which is superhyped giant guns, super body armor, but not the truly variant technology like biotechnology, antimaterial technology, and nonlethal weaponry.

Actually that idea is feasible for today. It is designed as a nonlethal weapon that can cause singular damage and is biological agent designed to "eat" materials such as Kevlar, metal,asphalt,cements,paints, or lubricants. The start of this idea came from a proposal to the Office of Naval Research to create genetically engineered microorganisms that would quickly corrode roads and runways, or metal part, coatings, and lubricants of weapons. This weapon would function like a kind of accelerated case of Ebola-virus rust and could be be dropped into a enemy's motor pool inside bombs or missiles.

This is plausible, Now if you know more than the researchers of the Office of Naval Research, then please by all means call this a god mod. But If you for some reason are not a genius or dont know about this topic, please don't criticize a someone when you dont know what you are talking about yourself.

-Commonalitarianism you go right ahead and make this if you want. No one here can stop you and it is not a god mod. Its just a pathetic attempt to make them seem like they know what they are talking about.

Also I know that several types of bacteria can survive in intense radiation, I am sure that bacteria can be engineered to consume nuclear contamination, just as bacteria have been engineered to consume toxic waste and hazardous materials.

If I said the bacteria would destroy a city in a month or two would that work. Slow unstoppable decay of everything. Some things would go faster, others would still be around but seriously degraded. Or should I stick to one bacteria like an oil eating bacteria that also ate plastic, got into car and tank engines and could wipe out a nations oil supply slowly if they didn't seal everything tightly. I am thinking it would be a prelude event like this was released on x nation and they needed help.

It is amazing what people believe is possible and what isn't possible. I can use a perpetual motion machine here and people will believe it. In contrast I can't use satellite jamming technology which is in use today because no one will believe it. It is very interesting to see what some people consider a god mod. Virtually everything I have used has been based on existing technology or projections of existing technology which I look up. It can get very entertaining. There is a very narrow focus here. People want to use basic stuff which is superhyped giant guns, super body armor, but not the truly variant technology like biotechnology, antimaterial technology, and nonlethal weaponry.

So true....but you can't make radioactivity eating bacteria. :)
Iron eating bacteria is very weird also....it slow and evidence of this is seen on the Titanic wreck. Rusticles are a result of it. Even very high concentrations I doubt it would wreck a city.

The oil eating bacteria is stupid also. Small amounts yes.....but not a national supply. It would be a waste of oil...and how will you get them in anyways? Just doesn't seem possible or right.

So true....but you can't make radioactivity eating bacteria. :)
Iron eating bacteria is very weird also....it slow and evidence of this is seen on the Titanic wreck. Rusticles are a result of it. Even very high concentrations I doubt it would wreck a city.

The oil eating bacteria is stupid also. Small amounts yes.....but not a national supply. It would be a waste of oil...and how will you get them in anyways? Just doesn't seem possible or right.

There are types of bacteria that can rapidly disintegrate and rust metals; such as Iron,Steel,Copper..etc. Also the metals of the titanic were more preserved and were only susceptible to a small amount of bacteria.
I'm am still not positive about the nuclear "eating"bacteria, but there is bacteria that can break down nuclear and radiological contamination. So I am sure that some kind of bacteria could be genetically engineered or modified to be able to break down, not eat nuclear substances.
No, bacteria that can break down and destroy oil and oil products would be a very effective, Non lethal weapon. It would devastate a nation, destroying all oil and petroleum,plastics,lubricants. You have to realize how much dependence is placed on oil. The bacteria would break down all oil,plastics and rubbers,lubricants,paints, and oil based products. It would leave a nation crippled, preventing effective movement of troops. Cars,Tanks,NBC suits, Oil Supplies, Power plants,and much more would be destroyed. The bacteria would be inserted via bombs and/or missiles. The bacteria would not have to be nationwide, the bacteria would generally be used in small strategic strikes of the enemy's supplies and vital parts of their military.
Also the bacteria does not have to completely break down the metals, If the bacteria can even rust and corrode the metals, It would damage the vehicles enough to disable or destroy them.

I was thinking of an extreme environmentalist type situation where another nation was either dumping nuclear waste into our waters or doing something out of proportion. Lets say you have a country that has suffered nuclear attacks and refuses to clean up the mess, or someone who refuses to clean up waste of any kind and just leaves it out in piles everywhere. To the point where they have a barren toxic wasteland encroaching into your borders.

Either that or you have an ecoterrorist organization that has gotten their hands on this and decide they want to end oil production everywhere. You might call them the "Green Revolution" or something equally crazy.

I have another thread where my country has built a renewable city completely without oil products, a PMT situation about 20 years in the future.
The country I am using is partially based on Ecotopian ideals which can get a bit out of hand if not watched closely. "Ecoweapons" would be a very real possibility for extremely environmentalist nations.

Why would you want to destroy the oil by bacteria when a single missle can do the same in 2 secs? Either way you still need to hit it.

Radioactivity goes through bacteria....tough luck. If it worked it would be in use asap. Though resistance doesn't mean it can't remove radioactivity. Spreading it apart is even worse though! Nuclear waste is not capable of being broken down safely.

Why would you want to destroy the oil by bacteria when a single missle can do the same in 2 secs? Either way you still need to hit it.

Radioactivity goes through bacteria....tough luck. If it worked it would be in use asap. Though resistance doesn't mean it can't remove radioactivity. Spreading it apart is even worse though! Nuclear waste is not capable of being broken down safely.
The bacteria break down the isotopes.

The bacteria break down the isotopes.

Godmod.
We know that is impossible.

Godmod.
We know that is impossible.
Your idea of what is and what is not a Godmod pretty much goes against what the community as a whole defines as a godmod.

Something is a godmod if: it is invincible, does something that is totally impossible (getting any object with mass to move at or beyond C without use of an FTL system, and/or trying to use it as a weapon.), or it does things to the RP that violates one of the many rules of ettiquite that have been developed over the past three years.

This bacterium is not a godmod; through the magic of genetic engineering, it can break down radioactive isotopes, something that is itself not so far fetched as it may sound to those ignorant of biology and the science of genetic engineering. This little bugger could be a godmod if the creator tried to disarm another nations entire supply of nuclear weapons and in no way could be stopped, or if was otherwise used to abuse the other RPer.

It is not a godmod just because you think it is based on your warped idea of what is and is not godmoddery.

Why would you want to destroy the oil by bacteria when a single missle can do the same in 2 secs? Either way you still need to hit it.

Radioactivity goes through bacteria....tough luck. If it worked it would be in use asap. Though resistance doesn't mean it can't remove radioactivity. Spreading it apart is even worse though! Nuclear waste is not capable of being broken down safely.

do you understand that oil is a base for many products such as;oil,plastics and rubbers,lubricants,paints,and all other oil based products. If you want to immobilize a army, without taking any lives, you can take out their ability to fight. If you release this bacteria, the bacteria would destroy the coatings and lubricants of weapons, making them useless. It would destroy vehicles,roads and runways, support equipment, power lines and power stations, fuel for tanks and vehicles. You essentially take away all of the enemys weapons, with no deaths and no harm to the environment.

You really do not understand the concept of breaking down the nuclear waste and nuclear materials. If you break it down it is no longer harmfull. Yes bacteria can be engineered to do this TODAY, scientists are currently working on developing a genetically engineered bacteria capable of breaking down radioactive material. Now if you dont believe me go find those scientists and tell them that you are smarter than them and what they are doing is a godmod.

Another reason I might want to do this is economic imperialism. My country does not solely rely on its military might. It uses economic sanctions, cyberwarfare, industrial espionage, privateering, trading power, and other means to improve its position. Our economy is slowly eliminating the need for oil and oil products, it would be advantageous for us in some cases to force a foreign power to use the alternative energy products, bioengineered products, and bioplastics which we make.