NationStates Jolt Archive

NOTE: Includes all info up to 1960

The Arab League
Founded by Syria in 1947, most Middle Eastern and North African nations joined shortly afterwards. Largely an economic group, initiatives brought about following the War in Arabia have led to discussions about its greater role in the world. In 1960, to accomodate Italy and its North African territories, a second-class member status was created.

Membership (as of Jan. 1958)

Syria (1947, founder)
United Nile Republics (Egypt and Sudan) (1947, Palestine in 1948)
Jordan (1947)
Western Arabia (1947)
Arab Federation (Baghdad and Saudi Arabia) (1957, both members joined in 1947)
Basra (1947)
Kuwait (1947)
Oman (1947)
Yemen (1947)
Morocco (1947)
Italy (1960, second class)


ARAB LEAGUE SPACE AGENCY
An optional aspect of the Arab League, this group was founded in 1953 to try and give Arab nations a chance in the so-called "space race." However, the program is far behind the American, European, and SCT programs.
Arab Space Agency Members
United Nile Republics
Syria
Baghdad/Arab Federation
Basra


Germany has also contributed 60 points

Missiles and Space Program Technologies

Blue Technologies have been completed, Orange Techs are underway, and Red has not been completed

Basic Missiles

1. Short range missiles (V2 type) 24 points, donated by Syria
2. Short range cruise missiles (V1 type), donated by Syria

Ballistic Missiles

3. MRBM missiles (as per V2, but have a medium range of several hundred miles). Research cost is 24 points, (4/24 points by Syria, 20 by Egypt)
4. Improved MRBM missiles (can actually carry a nuke up to 25 KT or chemical warhead). Research for 12 points (4/12 by Egypt)
5. Intermediate (IRBM) range missiles (range is long, up to 2000 miles), can carry warheads up to 100 KT. Research cost is 24 points
6. ICBM (intercontinental range missiles) range is 6500 miles, liquid fuel missiles, research cost is 48 points
7. Large ICBMs, range is 10,000 miles, liquid fuel, research cost 24 points
8. Improved IRBMs, range is 2500 miles, liquid fuel, research cost is 24 points
9. Solid fuel missiles, research cost is 48 points
10. MIRV technology. 72 points

Space Program

No more then 12 points a year allowed for research by any given party.

1. IRBMs allow for a putting something into space, plus another 12 points and you can replicate the first Mercury mission (but cannot achieve orbit)
2. ICBMs allow for Sputnik, and with 24 more points, you can replicate Mercury type missions (achieve orbit)
3. 12 points gets you short duration communications and other satellites
4. 12 more points plus Large ICBMs and you can replicate Gemini type missions.
5. 24 points gets you heavy lift rockets (Saturn V)
6. 24 more points gets you Apollo capability.
7. 24 more points gets you Skylab capability

Arab League Defense Units
TBA

NUCLEAR POWER
The following techs are required to build nuclear power plants:
Fission I (24 points)
Fission II (24 points)
Fission III (24 points)
Fuel Separation I (24 points)
Fuel Separation II (24 points)
Fuel Separation III (24 points)
Reactors I (24 points)

ARAB LEAGUE AIR DEFENSE NETWORK

In 1957, Syria founded the Arab League Defense Network, or ALADN. Radar stations throughout Arab League nations are funded by Syria, although Egypt finances its own stations. Information is sent to centers in each nation, as well as regional centers (for North Africa, the United Republics, and the Arabian peninsula) and a central command building (in Syria). In addition, Egyptian E-1 AEW&C aircraft supply additional information. Italy has stations only in its colonies, providing excellent coverage for all members.

CURRENT ISSUES

Formatted as follows

Topic
Description
Nation Submitting and date
current status

The following issues are being discussed:

Restrictions on Foriegn Involvement In Middle East
Proposed at the Beijing Peace Conference, this would limit the number of foreign troops in any Middle Eastern nation, presumably meaning Oman, Yemen, Western Arabia, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Baghdad, Basra, Kuwait, and the United Republics to 50,000 during normal peacetime conditions.
Brought to the floor by Egypt in February 1952
Currently up for debate

Creation of Arab Space Agency
For over thirteen hundred years, Arab nations have been centers for scientific knowledge and advancement. By creating a combined effort to reach the stars, we can avoid falling behind other nations in the so-called "space race." With a proposed command center in Baghdad, and with launch facilities tenatively on the Yemeni island of Socotra, nations would pool research efforts to acheive a unified mission program. Syria would begin the process by sharing short range missile technologies (V-1 and V-2 tech) with contributing members, and members would contribute whatever funds are financially and politically available.
Brought to the floor by Syria in February 1953
membership voluntary, waiting for members input

Creation of Arab League Defense Forces
In order to provide for the defense of the group, Egypt created a select group of forces to be available to the League. Members would be asked to contribute units, either for temporary or permanent service, and to help maintain the forces, once again on a voluntary basis.
Brought to the floor by Egypt in 1952 budget
waiting for membership to discuss

Creation of Second Class Member Status and expansion
Due to the large number of Arabs in Italy and North African colonies, this proposal would give them a Second class member status, with a limited voice in affairs and policy, to be increased if and when independence is gained.
Brought to the floor by Syria in February 1952
Waiting for membership to discuss and vote

Egypt agrees to the Foreign Involvement restrictions and Second-Class member status. We will also join the Arab League Space Agency and the entire United Republican Military will aid the Arab League Defense Force when needed.

Are we beginning the AL Space Agency this year? I'm researching improved MRBMs this year and can contribute some points this year if needed. Also, how are we doing research? Is this a joint-research and tech-sharing thing or a Egypt and Syria give the tech and members give the points thing?

Edit: Syria, what missile tech are you on? It would save us both money if we joint-research that stuff (it would split the cost between us instead of both of us paying the full price). Also, I'm starting nuke research this year. Where are your test sites because I'm not sure where in the Middle East we could safely test without fallout hitting populated areas.

I thought we could do tech-sharing for anyone who donates points, getting any tech they help research. For nations behind us, contributing will get them 1 tech on the level. (ie, if Baghdad gave 5 points, they'd get V-1 tech, next V-2, etc.)

OOC: My nuke program is for power purposes only, but because I'm balancing it with the ALSA and Electronics research nothings moving all that fast.

Instead of researching my rocket tech independently, I'm just donating 26.5 points to the Space Agency. That should cover one research and leave points for next year.

The Arab League, by the points, is 21% complete with its nuclear power program, and 59% done on Space Program research (to improved IRBM) including current 1954 info.

We are currently on Year 2 of nuclear fission tech and MRBM (improved) technology, solely due to Egyptian and Syrian donations.

The German Empire sends 12 points to the Arab League.

Since '56 is year three of nuke research, does that give us the ability to build nuke plants/weapons? If not, how long do we have to research?

I updated the list (it includes my 1956 build and everything before

we need 1 more point to finish fission 3, then the rest of the stuff. We're 61% of the way done.

The UR donated 18.25 points this year. We should also start having other Arab members pitch in (at least 5 points). This is pretty much an Egypt-Syria project. I also funded an unmanned and an animal space mission this year. If all other members donate 5 points (they can do a 1 point a year thing), that's 45 extra points.

The German Empire has allocated 16 points for 1956 to be used by the Arab League as it wishes.

Germany has also spent 20 points as investment in Arabian Oil.

OOC: Added German and Egyptian aid on spreadsheet, will update first page now.

As of 1956, so far Ive give 55% of the donations, Egypt has sent 33%, Germany has provided 11%, and Baghdad sent 1% Arab support has been very pitiful. I've tried to get people doing NPC builds to send in a few points, but those nations are insanely poor and can only spare a few points. I've actually gone to national effort, with the King's "The Muslim world once dominated technologically, now we must catch up" sort of thing, but next year I'll have to end it (can't keep them that excited that long) So I'll post something to those ends in the NPC and economic threads.

1956 Arab League Space Program Launch Schedule
(note, all missions are suborbital Mercury-style missions)
January

Unmanned Mission funded by Syria
Unmanned Mission funded by Egypt

February
Unmanned Mission funded by Syria

These launches will be studied, and then the following launches will occur:

September
Animal Mission (cat) funded by Syria

October
Animal Mission (cat?) funded by Egypt

using analysis from these launches, human missions can begin as soon as January 1957

OOC: Added German and Egyptian aid on spreadsheet, will update first page now.

As of 1956, so far Ive give 55% of the donations, Egypt has sent 33%, Germany has provided 11%, and Baghdad sent 1% Arab support has been very pitiful. I've tried to get people doing NPC builds to send in a few points, but those nations are insanely poor and can only spare a few points. I've actually gone to national effort, with the King's "The Muslim world once dominated technologically, now we must catch up" sort of thing, but next year I'll have to end it (can't keep them that excited that long) So I'll post something to those ends in the NPC and economic threads.

Morocco will provide some assistance next year

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Animal Mission (cat?) funded by Egypt

Nah, I'll send a chimp. They're practically the same as humans and more information can be gathered for manned space missions.

Also, I was thinking more of a 1 point a year for five years thing. It may not seem like a lot, but just five nations doing that would total up as 25. That'll help out the human missions and maybe even work us towards a space station (that'll be hilarious if we beat the west to building skylab!)

I meant 5 points in the near future, under whatever schedule possible. We're definitely very far behind compared to western agencies, but I think, with so many countries working together, we might catch up in the future.

Also, I've found an additional source of revenue, that for IC reasons should be discussed either in the Batcave or by TG.

1956 Space Launches

The Arab League began its first space missions this year, conducting five missions. The first three were unmanned, using newly developed rockets. After the success of these rockets was confirmed, two launches containing animals, first a housecat to determine safety, then a chimpanzee to study the effects on humans. If they were successful, manned missions were planned to begin the next year, with ALSA striving to put something in orbit (Sputnik-style mission) by 1960.

All three unmanned missions were successful, leaving the launch pad in Socotra without any issues, and acheiving escape velocity. Dates were January 12th, January 28th, and February 17th. The first mission, funded by Syria, and a hot issue in the Syrian legislature, likely played a big role in the recent elections. (ooc: when I post them)

The first animal mission, scheduled for the 6th of September, was the first failure of the program. Due to a fault in the rocket, it exploded shortly after liftoff, slightly damaging the launch facilty, which was hit with debris, and killing its feline passenger.

The final launch was delayed until the facilities were repaired, and the safety of the passenger could be guaranteed. On November 3rd, the rocket took off without incident, entering space and returning its passenger alive, albeit shaken.

A joint Arab League venture, ALADN (pronounced Aladdin, stands for Arab League Air Defense Network) has been announced. Radar networks in all Arab League nations will be combined to provide comprehensive defense for all nations. In addition to the command centers in each nation, three regional centers, one in Algiers (for N. Africa), one in Egypt, for the UR, and one in Kuwait City (for the rest), and a center combining the three in Aleppo. Syria will fund the program for all nations, except the United Republics, which have been asked to pay their own portion of the cost due to their exceptionally large population (4 times the second largest member, Morocco)

The Reichswehr approaches the Arab Defense League about the possibility of wargames to be held between the German forces in the area and the Arab Defense league. They argue that it would improve the readiness of the Arabs to deal with a modern army and the Heer to deal with desert combat, not to mention the closer ties it would bring.

A joint Arab League venture, ALADN (pronounced Aladdin, stands for Arab League Air Defense Network) has been announced. Radar networks in all Arab League nations will be combined to provide comprehensive defense for all nations. In addition to the command centers in each nation, three regional centers, one in Algiers (for N. Africa), one in Egypt, for the UR, and one in Kuwait City (for the rest), and a center combining the three in Aleppo. Syria will fund the program for all nations, except the United Republics, which have been asked to pay their own portion of the cost due to their exceptionally large population (4 times the second largest member, Morocco)

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Morocco and Algeria have a pretty firm alliance with the US. Need an opinion from Sharina on this. The US has bases in both countries, mutual defense treaties and provides them with their military equipment and trains them as well.

Parthini']The Reichswehr approaches the Arab Defense League about the possibility of wargames to be held between the German forces in the area and the Arab Defense league. They argue that it would improve the readiness of the Arabs to deal with a modern army and the Heer to deal with desert combat, not to mention the closer ties it would bring.

The United Republics would be willing. Where are we planning on holding it? We could have it in the West Desert/Libyan Desert (we could invite Italian Libya, too. Libya must feel left out with all the other Arabs having fun).

GB

OOC: This isnt a defense treaty or anything, this is free radar defense for everyone but Egypt, and by compiling information, providing better coverage. For example, if planes left Turkey to bomb Morocco, Syrian stations might pick it up and transfer the information to the appropriate locations long before independent Moroccan stations could. The defense network is something Egypt proposed, but there was never any formal agreement. As of yet there is no written statement saying Arab League members have a mutual defense pact.

Perhaps we could hold a series of games, in the mountains, in Baghdad, and on the Libyan Coast? That way, all 4 geographical positions (urban, mountain, desert, coast) could be dealt with. All Arab League nations are invited to attend.

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we really need an Italy (sigh)... my guess is that the Italians (who own Libya and Tunisia) will enter into cautious talks with the Arab League concerning the proposed military exercises and unified radar warning system.

Algeria and Morocco would be willing to share information (warning data for example) but not technology (as the US is providing their radar systems and wouldn't want to share that technology and to close ties might endanger that free American assistance)

OOC: You pay for their radar defense? Great, less costs for me (they are the 2nd and 3rd largest members by population)

On the Italy issue (which we do really need, there is someone I thought might be able to take over as Italy or Canada but can't due to time constraints. Pity because he's one of the best non-e20 RPers I know.

But back on topic, we tried talking about working them in when the player was there as a 2nd class member. However, he had a federalized system, where Libya was semi-independent, so we could have made Libya a 1st class member. However, since he's gone, its up in the air.

EDIT: On wargames. We have a lot of members, not all of whom would contribute, but we have to be careful. Running Operation Red Flag is a chaotic experience, and thats with an E-3 Sentry monitoring everyone. Controlling 600 planes from five different nations, eighteen infantry divisions, and twelve ships at the same time can be a hassle. Besides, we should probably have some other group participate, as many officers train together, and they would all know how each other is likely to act.

The UR has donated 30.5 in the past two years (sorry, I thought I'd already posted '57).

FIRST SPACE MISSION FAILS!
A Syrian-funded Traveller Rocket took off from Socotra, but, due to a fuel error, exploded over the Indian Ocean. Amin Hafiz, a Syrian military officer, was killed in the launch.


SYRIAN IN SPACE!

Syria sent the first citizen of the Arab League into space this year, when Qassem Hashem, a Lebanese pilot, entered outer space and reentered safely, landing in the Red Sea.

Sorry, been kinda busy with School and lack of internet due to storms.

Whatever you guys want to do is fine with me. It's just with all this craziness it's a good time to make friends :)

I'm ready for some war games. I can't send my entire force (incase Belgium decides to mess with me) but I have some new forces that haven't seen combat yet. I know the locations, but what scenarios are we doing? A German invasion, an Egyptian-Syrian War, or what?

Perhaps we could have like a "war" with several battles? Say, Syria and Egypt vs Germany. Germany Invades Libya, then (regardless of the outcome) move on to some mountains and then (again regardless) move on to, say, Baghdad for the final battle?

Or we could have a sort of capture the Flag where like Damascus is the target for the Germans and the Negev Base for the Syrian/Egyptian. We could have Germany start in the Negev and have to protect their base, while at the same time have an amphibious attack on the Syrian Coast, while the Syrian/Egyptians have to protect Damascus while attacking the Negev?

Parthini']Perhaps we could have like a "war" with several battles? Say, Syria and Egypt vs Germany. Germany Invades Libya, then (regardless of the outcome) move on to some mountains and then (again regardless) move on to, say, Baghdad for the final battle?

Or we could have a sort of capture the Flag where like Damascus is the target for the Germans and the Negev Base for the Syrian/Egyptian. We could have Germany start in the Negev and have to protect their base, while at the same time have an amphibious attack on the Syrian Coast, while the Syrian/Egyptians have to protect Damascus while attacking the Negev?

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for historical reasons (like all three Great Wars) I don't see Italy agreeing to having German troops in Italian territory, including Libya or Tunisia

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for historical reasons (like all three Great Wars) I don't see Italy agreeing to having German troops in Italian territory, including Libya or Tunisia

Oh, true that.

I can just invade Syria or Egypt then :)

My idea:
(the battles would progress in this order regardless of result)
1)Amphibious assault on either Syria or Egypt (Ampnibious and naval warfare)
2)Invaders press toward major objective (city, Suez canal, etc.) while defenders resist (desert warfare)
3)Defenders reclaim objective of #2 from invaders (role reversal)

With air battles in all situations. However, could it wait until 1960? My Army will be completely integrated into new equipment, and I'll have a blue water navy. Or we could always do a second round.

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for historical reasons (like all three Great Wars) I don't see Italy agreeing to having German troops in Italian territory, including Libya or Tunisia

Even better, we could stage a war game but when the troops actually arrive in Libya, we kick the Italians out. If they try to do anything, I say we take Somaliland (or whatever borders Ethiopia) and then, everytime Italian troops try to cross the Mediterranean, we take them out with chemical weapons or air strikes. Either way, that would make a good war game as well (minus the Sarin Gas).

1960 is fine. My Carriers will be ready then, too :)

My revised idea (and a map (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/egypt_pol97.jpg))

1)German agressor forces attempt to overcome Allied Naval and Air Forces to launch an amphibious assault on al Arish, primarily Egyptian defended.
-regardless of outcome, German troops brought onshore-
2) Some Egyptian troops from Battle 1, and Syrians arriving from Palestine, catch up to German troops moving towards Suez (city).
-again, regardless of outcome, Germans continue advancing-
3) Germans, and reinforcements (from Syrian and Egyptian bases?) launch attack on Suez, defended by Egyptian and other Arab League members (who likely will not send much), while troops from battle 2 try to stop reinforcements.
-Germans capture Suez-
4) Allied forces counterattack to drive Germany out of Suez, with allied navies (Kuwait, Oman, etc.) helping

Even better, we could stage a war game but when the troops actually arrive in Libya, we kick the Italians out. If they try to do anything, I say we take Somaliland (or whatever borders Ethiopia) and then, everytime Italian troops try to cross the Mediterranean, we take them out with chemical weapons or air strikes. Either way, that would make a good war game as well (minus the Sarin Gas).

I am not sure you could actually, Italy has a pretty strong military

since Italy is dormant (yet another player lost) I suppose I should handle its economy. I will look it up and figure it out this week sometime.

Wargames by the way, please hold off. I have been really busy, and dealing with allergy problems this week, and would appreciate if you guys could wait for results. They can take place this year, I just won't be able to get around to them immediately.

My revised idea (and a map (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/egypt_pol97.jpg))

1)German agressor forces attempt to overcome Allied Naval and Air Forces to launch an amphibious assault on al Arish, primarily Egyptian defended.
-regardless of outcome, German troops brought onshore-
2) Some Egyptian troops from Battle 1, and Syrians arriving from Palestine, catch up to German troops moving towards Suez (city).
-again, regardless of outcome, Germans continue advancing-
3) Germans, and reinforcements (from Syrian and Egyptian bases?) launch attack on Suez, defended by Egyptian and other Arab League members (who likely will not send much), while troops from battle 2 try to stop reinforcements.
-Germans capture Suez-
4) Allied forces counterattack to drive Germany out of Suez, with allied navies (Kuwait, Oman, etc.) helping


do the British still have a garrison in Egypt?

I don't see why they actually would. The Suez Canal is under Egyptian control and no British soldiers were in Egypt for the Saudi War.

BTW, Germany gave 20 points to the Arab League and 15 points to the Arab Federation.

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The plan sounds fine too. Battle one could be the armies from Syria and the second could be an attempt to keep the Syrian armies from uniting with the army in the Negev. The third can be a united one. Or something. But I like your idea.

Btw, I need to talk to Syria about the futures of Jordan and Palestine.

Don't worry GB. I don't want to have these until 1960 so I can have my new carriers.

Egypt's forces are also much larger than mine. I think we should figure out how much each can send before we work out the specifics, but use something to that effect.

EDIT: we really need chatzy up and running, but I'll tg you momentarily

The UR donated 23 points for the last two years (it was 24 to pay for space research but Ethiopia needed an extra point). By the way, we're doing maximum researching each year, right?

Since 1960 is already here, I think we should delay the wargames a year.

Syria has decided on the forces to participate in the 1961 Arab League Wargames.

The Navy will allow all major surface ships to participate.
Heavy Cruiser Hurriyya (Freedom)
ASW Destroyer Mudaala (Equality)
ASW Destroyer Masuuliyya (Responsibilty)
Frigate Fajir (Dawn)
Frigate Barq (Lightning)


The Air Force can send its Do-337 light bombers and/or its complement of Mirage IIIC jets.

The Army will send one of the Border Guard, the highly trained 2nd Infantry Division, in addition to a Mechanized force of the Mechanized Infantry and Artillery Divisions.

In addition, if any other member nations need financial aid in bringing troops to the games, some of Syria's 1961 Arab League donations (12 points) can be used to cover the cost.

(OOC: Will update front page now)

OOC: With Satellite tech here, perhaps you and me can each spend 9 points to maintain the 3 types of satellites we'll launch in 1961 (Spy, comm, and Science)

Research gets expensive soon (MOL, satellites in all varieties, finishing the missile tree) but we've been doing the max for a while.

To Syria: Just tell me how much I need to donate each year and I will.

To whoever's running the wargames: Here's the forces I'm planning on sending. If it's a little too much, just tell me. I just don't want Arab forces to be outnumbered big time by Germany:
General Forces:
2 Elite Trained Armored Divisions
1 Elite Trained Mechanized Division
2 HQ’s
Mountain and/or City Forces:
2 Elite Trained Garrison Units
2 Elite Trained Mountain Infantry Brigades
2 Elite Trained Flak Brigades
Air Forces:
2 Elite Pilots
2 Dassault Mirage III's
Naval Forces:
1 Heavy Carrier Battlegroup
1 Heavy Missile Cruiser

I also have an Air Defense Network, Civil Defense, and an E-1 Tracer if that makes any difference.

The Commonwealth is prepared to commit 12 points of it's 1962 budget to the AL Space Agency's research of solid fuel rockets. Is this acceptable?

The Commonwealth is prepared to commit 12 points of it's 1962 budget to the AL Space Agency's research of solid fuel rockets. Is this acceptable?

Yes. I believe that will get you a couple rocket technologies and your astronauts can join the Arab League Space Program.

I will be transfering the 6 points from this year to the Arab League in 1962.

Germany continues its 20 points of aid to the Arab League in 1961.