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The Franberrian goverment has declared their need for a selection of small arms.
(OOC: I dont want an RL weapon, I want one made with RL stuff, or soemthing feasible, and techonology 5 years down the road, no more than that, 5 years)

We will want to purchase production rights, as having to rely on foreign powers weakens our miltary

We need:

Assault Rifle (for standard troops)
Easy to maintain
Reasonably good acuracy at medium to long range
Cheap
Tough
30 round magazine (at least, nothign unwieldly)
Scope
Optional Granade launcher attachment
Good ergonomics
Several modes of fire at least 2 (prefferably, Single fire, and 3 round burst)
Bayonet

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Asault Rifle (for elite/spec ops)
Ecellent Accuracy
Extremly Tough
30 round magazine (at least, nothign unwieldly)
High-quality Scope (top of the line)
Optional Granade launcher attachment
Good egronomics
Several modes of fire at least 2 (prefferably, Single fire, and 3 round burst)
Bayonet
Laser guide



For both: It would be great if it had a system like than on the AN-94 (OOC: the 2 bullet one, if thats actually any good, i dont knwo much about the workings of guns)

(OOC: Again, i dont want an RL weapon, i want something that can be constructed with materials from now, or 5 years in the future)

Pythogria could provide you with our new ZA-1.

Specs:

Name: ZA-1 Assualt Rifle

Maanufacturer: ZefTec

Cost: $600 USD

Construction: polymers, with some plastic parts (such as sides of handle)

Length (Weapon): 39 inches

Length (Barrel): 19.88 inches

Weight of weapon (Loaded): 7 lbs

Weight of weapon (Unloaded): 6.5 lbs

Cartridge used: 5.56 x 45 mm

Sights: Universal mounting rail, fits most scopes, comes with normal scope. Also has iron sights

Grenade launcher?: Yes, 20mm one

Easy to repair?
Tough?
Bayonet?
(OOC: To which category are you applying this to? normal? or spec ops/elite?)

OOC: Both

IC:

Easy to repair? Yes, only a bt harder than an AK-47.

Bayonet? Yes.

OOC: Both

IC:

Easy to repair? Yes, only a bt harder than an AK-47.

Bayonet? Yes.

Range?
Acurracy?

(OOC: I want to be able to compare orders)

Range?
Acurracy?

(OOC: I want to be able to compare orders)

Range: 900 meters

Accuracy: Very, very good

i'll make you a deal: you tell me what specs you want, and i will design a gun and give you prototype models of it, ok?

i'll make you a deal: you tell me what specs you want, and i will design a gun and give you prototype models of it, ok?
If I knew the specs, I'd make it myself, I want to save myself the time of designing a gun

To Franberry -
Here is a simple assault rifle for both categories; it's fairly easy to repair, with few component parts able to be broken. Laser sights and night sights can be added, raising the price by $100 per unit, to make the weapon effective for your military. We will discount your order by 8% (our standard package deal) if your order is greater than 1,000 units.

M-17 Assault Rifle
Type: Traditional Assault Rifle
Action: Gas-operated rotating bolt
Caliber: 6.8 x 43mm (.270") SPC
Length: 42" (106.68 cm); barrel length is 16" (40.64 cm)
Weight (including one 32-round magazine): 9.1 lbs (4.14 kg)
Max effective range: 400-500 meters
Rate of Fire: 850 rpm
Fire Modes: 1, 4, full-auto
Magazine capacity: 32 rounds
Muzzle velocity: 2625 feet/second (800.1 meters/second)
Other equipment: Scope, flashlight, bayonet
Optional equipment: Night vision, laser sights, M203 grenade launcher
Price: $1,000 US

If you wish, we can have Julia Chong, a sales representative of Gage Munitions, fly out with an example of the M-17 to show it to you and answer any questions you have about it.

Sincerely,
Adm. Thad Cochrane (ret.), CEO of Baltimore Shipyards and of Gage Munitions

Thank you for your offer, we are still waiting for other offers, as to compare. If we do choose your model, are production rights available?

Have I got the weapon you need? Yes. See the specs below.

AG11 Assault Rifle (http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Graphics/Nation-States/Cotland/ag11.jpg)

Caliber: 6.8x43mm
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Fire Mode: Semi-auto, 3-round burst, or automatic
Overall Length: 899mm
Barrel Length: 406mm [chrome lined]
Weight: 3.31 kgs [empty]; 3.84 kgs [loaded]
Magazine: 30 round [standard]; 100 rounds [Beta-C double drum]
Rate of Fire: 650 rounds per minute
Effective Range: 600 meters
Muzzle Velocity: 800 meters per second
Underwater Shoot: No
Chamber Pressure: 55,000 psi
Equipment Availabilities: Selective Integrational Rail, Suppressor, Laser, Flashlight, Scope Optics, Night Vision, Bayonet, 40mm Grenade Launcher, 12-gauge Shotgun, Bipod
Cost: $1,600
Service Life: 49,500 rounds

Have I got the weapon you need? Yes. See the specs below.
(OOC: Is the pic RL, or the weapon too? It is a good model. Are production rights available?)

To MoD of Franberry -
Yes, unlimited domestic production rights are available for the price of 1,000 units. However, note that you may not attempt to reverse-engineer the product, nor may you export it to a third party, without our permission. Further, would you like Ms. Chong to fly to your country to show you an example of the M-17?
Sincerely,
Adm. Thad Cochrane, CEO of Gage Munitions

The pic is of the Barret 468, slightly modded by me. The weapon is a highly tweaked version of the Barret 468, which is a brand-new prototype rifle made by Barret. I can grant you limited production rights, yes.

So far, we are leaning towards the model offered by Cotland

OOC - So, any reason why you haven't said whether or not Ms. Chong can come?

OOC: sorry, I was in this RP, and I forgot
IC:

Ms.Chong would be welcome to come to Franberry to demonstrate the M-17.

Bravo!

"Ms. Chong, you have a license for that..." the security officer at BWI said, staring at the assault rifle in the woman's opened suitcase.

"Certainly, sir. Would you like to see it?" Julia Chong replied. She went ahead and took from her small blue purse an official ID that was labeled, "License to carry assault rifles." The officer looked a bit surprised, but acknowledged it.

"Ms. Chong, I'll make sure that this...weapon gets where it needs to go," the officer said. "Oh, by the way, it's a fine-looking gun, ma'am."

"That it is, sir. The M-17, made by Gage Munitions," Chong said, smiling. "And we're quite proud of it, sir."

Go ahead and rp Ms. Chong's arrival in your capital.

Kriegzimmer would like to introduce their own assault rifle into the competition, and if need be, send a delegation to Franberry and prove the superiority of their selection. Specifically, this would be the newer Hali-42 Assault Rifle which has just replaced the Hali-21. The new rifle deviates completely from the common misconception that a bigger bullet equals more stopping power - indeed, the Hali-42 offers a round that is smaller than the 5.56! Nonetheless, the increased velocity more than make up for the loss in mass and round diameter, meaning it makes up in kinetic energy and puncturing power of the speed at hand. Furthermore, the rifle is completely modular and should you wish to adopt a larger or different round [from a different company] the rifle can be refitted quite easily to use that different round - the former [modularity] means this is heaven logistics wise, while the latter [easy to refit] means it can be adopted by any armed forces in the world, with their own round. It is currently used by the Empire, Hailandkill, Spizania, Rodenka, Gejigrad, Halberdgardia, McKagan, Communist Revolution and Nistolonia, amongst others. We leave the decision, however, to you, and finish this with the following attachment:



Hali-42 Assault Rifle
http://modernwarstudies.net/Lineart/bullrsm1.png
[This wonderful drawing was done by Mekugi.]


Abstract:
The Hali-42 is the next generation assault rifle designed for use in the Macabee army, destined to replace the long worn Hali-21, which has been the mainstay of Macabee forces for over a decade. The new rifle is the product of better understanding of rifle mechanics, as well as the developement of newer technologies that guarantee the superiority of the Hali-42 over older designs, although the project takes a wild turn away from previous design dogmatics, including a once determined stance on keeping the conventional rifle configuration, and the uses of caseless and cased ammunition. There has also been a very steep change in manufacturing technologies and rifle theoretics that have called for a change in the conentional 5.56mm NATO round to something radically different and lighter, although no less lethal, with even less recoil. The Hali-42 is within all meanings of the name, the epitome of Macabee rifle design, never known for its small arms ordnance.

The rifle uses a bullpup configuration, following the recent rise of bullpup rifles, but attempts to capitalize on the configuration to increase potential muzzle velocity, allowing for greater penetration. It also relies on caseless ammuntion, as opposed to cased ammunition, and Kriegzimmer has underscored this by converting manufacturing to mostly caseless ammunition, although it keeps the manufacturing of cased ammunition to be able to remain selling the Hali-21 and Hali-37 in the foreign market. There has also been a very new change in the propellant, and in general length ratios of the barrel to the rest of the rifle. The designated marksman rifle as includes very powerful scope technology.

Furthermore, unlike its predecessor, the Hali-21, the Hali-42 is an assault rifle in all aspects of the name. The Hali-21 was more accurately a battle rifle, using a 7.62mm round, which is one of many reasons why the change from Hali-21 to Hali-42 ultimately occured. The Hali-42 project also made the decision of ignoring international conventionals, and opted to use more lethal, but less 'civlized' round technology, including the use of the barbette. In the end, every little changed detail makes the Hali-42 amongst the more potentially lethal assault rifles in use around the world.

The Ejermacht has announced its decision to replace all existing Hali-21 rifles with the newer Hali-42, and it's expected that the international world will respond as well - mostly those that used the Hali-21 as their standard assault rifle design. This includes at least one million rifles for frontline use in the Ejermacht alone, not including stocks for reserves and replacement. The Hali-42 has the potential of being a very widely used assault rifle.

Operation and Recoil:
This particular assault rifle operates on delayed blowback, seen in action on the Heckler & Koch G3. This is to allow the rifle all the advantages of a blowback operation without limiting range or eventual muzzle velocity. Interestingly, the first prototype of the Hali-42 actually used an inertia operation on the rifle, but theoritically, the delayed blowback can be translated into a delayed inertia, offering all the recoil operations of an inertia weapon and giving it the power an effective assault rifle needs. A lot of inspiration to incorporate the delayed blowback, roller lock operation came from the Spanish CETME modelo 58 [now replaced], which's initial design was based off the model 45 Assault Rifle.

Further recoil is handled by the exceptionally small round in use [see below], a two round burst as opposed to a three round burst, and a muzzle break. Unfortunately, all these designs are counteracted by the fact that the rifle uses a magnum configuration, powering a 73 grain round with a large binary liquid propellant.

Frequent Rounds Operated:
.221 Aluminum Orchomenos
The new .221 bullet design is designed to keep the underestimated possiblities of the .221 Fireball, but to make it even lighter, allowing for an even greater achieved muzzle velocity. Total weight of the round is 73 grains. The rifle round has excellent aerodynamic properties at long ranges, mirroring that of the Fireball, which has already been suggested by many to replace standard NATO rifle rounds for the M-16 . In fact, throughout its history, the .221 Fireball has been underestimated by most. Fortunately, its cause has been understood by Kriegzimmer, and so an improved version was destined for use on the Hali-42. At the tip the round uses a series of barbettes, first used in the American Civil War, and it's designed to cause major damage within the impact zone, making the round harder to extract, and more damaging to the human body. Beyond that, the round also uses a delayed electrical spark fuze, allowing the round to puncture, then blow, causing the explosion to theoritically occur inside the victim's body, not on impact. Maximum muzzle velocity with the .221 Orchomenos has been caught at 1,070 meters per second.
[b].223 API Orchomenos
The .223 API Orchomenos is an armor piercing projectile designed to penetrate battle suits at high velocities. The round replaces the .221 Orchomenos when an enemy is known to use battle suits, but normally, the rifle uses the .221 version. This round also uses an internal barbette to maximize potential damage, with a delayed fuze.
.221 Binary Sarin Orchomenos Biological Round
In compliance with foreign needs, a variant of the .221 Orchomenos was designed to carry Sarin to make it even deadlier. Although not standard in Macabee forces, it is a round manufactured by Kriegzimmer. In order to increase shelf life the Sarin is composed and stocked in a binary method, making shelf life rather irrelevent. The round spins on terminal flight to produce the effects of Sarin. On impact the round will cause bleeding at several points on the subject, and permanent damange to the central nervous system, possibly killing them, but more likely to put them out of action indefinately. The Ejermacht has ruled out the use of Sarin rounds, but it is a popular export. Muzzle velocity, since the round is a tad heavier, is around 990 m/s.
Additional Information:
The Hali-42's barrel is fully modular, allowing it to be exchanged quite easily by camp forges in order to use other rounds. It can also be sold with a specialized muzzle to cope with the purchasing nation's round of choice, allowing the Hali-42 to be highly versatile and not dependent on the round in use by the Ejermacht. In other words, the barrel is interchangeable, although not on the field. The rest of the rifle is modular as well, making cheap replacement parts for the rifle easy, and making for a very simple cleaning operation.

Calibre: .221 Orchomenos [capable of using the .223, .224, .225 and .220]
Operation: Delayed Inertia/Blowback
Overall Length: 113cm
Barrel Length: 64cm
Bayonet Length: 33cm
Weight [Empty]: 4.4kg
Propellant: Preforated Chemical Binary Liquid Propellant
Magazine Capacity: 45 rounds
Muzzle Velocity: 1,070 m/s
Rate of Fire: 750 rounds per minute
Semi-Automatic: Two round burst
Maximum Effective Range: 640 meters
Procurement Cost: 3,200 USD
Production Rights: 3.2 billion USD


[OOC: My server isn't working, but there's a picture here (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Hali-42). And for purchase, I can do it here, but I would really appreciate that if you did choose it in the end, that you make it here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=409787).]

The Macabees' assault rifle seems to be the best offer, we are considering making a purchase relatively soon.

that gun looks pretty sweet.

We have decided to purchase production rights for the Hali-42, 3.2 billion USD will be wired to you on confirmation.

To: Franberry Procurement Agency
Although Kriegzimmer has dropped its production rights, we did not mention this in our first letter to you, and so we will gladfully give them. In other words, the production rights have been confirmed. We assume that the money will be sent through electronic transaction to our preferred bank. If that is the case, the information and all needed to pursue the manufacturing of the rifle in your factories will be sent via 1024 bit satellite encryption - the entire transmission should take ~thirty minutes to complete. We guarantee your satisfaction with the rifle on the field, and should you have any questions we wish you to know that Kriegzimmer is always open to you. Thank you for your decision; we are truly honored.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

"Ms. Chong, we lost to Kriegzimmer. Sorry," Admiral Thad Cochrane (retired), Chief Executive Officer of Baltimore Shipyards and of Gage Munitions, said by cell phone.

Chong cursed, unnoticed by the Franberry taxi driver, who was busy driving the sales rep to her hotel, then said, "Well, I'll try selling it to the police of Franberry. Maybe they need new guns for their SWAT teams..."

Well, do they?

To: Franberry Procurement Agency
Although Kriegzimmer has dropped its production rights, we did not mention this in our first letter to you, and so we will gladfully give them. In other words, the production rights have been confirmed. We assume that the money will be sent through electronic transaction to our preferred bank. If that is the case, the information and all needed to pursue the manufacturing of the rifle in your factories will be sent via 1024 bit satellite encryption - the entire transmission should take ~thirty minutes to complete. We guarantee your satisfaction with the rifle on the field, and should you have any questions we wish you to know that Kriegzimmer is always open to you. Thank you for your decision; we are truly honored.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Thank you, they shall enter production as fast as possible.

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(OOC: my police forces will used the An-94's that will be phased out now that we use the Hali-42. The police uses MP5's now)

ooc: planning to use these in the SAD conflict if the conference fails?

ooc: planning to use these in the SAD conflict if the conference fails?
OOC: were is that thread? I lost it

OOC - Anything left for Ms. Chong to do? Perhaps there's something you want to have her see...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471153&page=1

yea... things are pretty slow around here.