NationStates Jolt Archive

The situation in the Middle East in 1952 reaches a boiling point. The Scandic Union, Germany, Syria, and Egypt are jockeying aganist each other for control of the fractured Middle East. China steps in, offering a peace conference for all involved as peace must continue, otherwise World War IV could ensue.

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The Chinese Prime Minister, Chiang Kai Shek, reclined in his seat, awaiting the arrival of the various delegates, thinking silently to himself.

"We cannot have World War IV. Are these fools so eager to start another global war after World War III just ten years earlier? Have they not learned the lessons of war, especially with the destructive weapons and the deaths of over 125 million people during the war?"

He shook his thoughts as he glimpsed the first foreign diplomats and delegates arriving.

The Egyptian delegate stood up first. "Egypt simply wanted for the tyrants of Arabia to step down and give the people a voice. Instead, this has become a struggle for power between two european super-powers. For peace with Egypt, these simple terms will be laid out:

1. A peaceful change in government. Either:
-Constitutional Monarchy with a citizen-elected Parliament equal to the king in powers. (Saudi Family can stay in power)
-or
-Republic (the Saudi Family will be able to run for office)

2. A formal peace agreement between Egypt and the Saudi Family. All hostilities will cease immediately. Relations will resume as normal with no bias.

3. Saudi repayment of 18 points for damages done after Egypt called for a cease-fire. That’s actually only half the real cost of the damages. If you want the numbers:
Hawker Hunter (1)
Expert Pilot (1)
2 Mechanized Infantry (4)
2 Infantry Corps (6)
Mechanized Artillery (3)
Armored Division (3)

4. Egyptian repayment of 3 points for the destruction of Hai’il. Actually the Saudi Army did most of the damage and Ha’il didn’t even have a production center so this is just free cash for the Saudis. Egyptian debt could be subtracted from the Saudi debt to get 15.

I think all of our terms are more than acceptable. That, and Egypt will be building up Saudi Arabia later and will probably spend more points than the Saudi Family is paying back now.

A formal peace agreement is more than acceptable. Egypt doesn't have to pay for damages caused to Ha'il, those will be covered and more by the SU. We won't let a foriegn power dictate how the government should be run, and so that demand is out, although we will see to it that Christians and other minorities are given more rights. Egypt will definetely not recieve payment, Egypt invaded Saudi Arabia, you can not blame us for destroying your armies on our land, they were more than legitimate military targets, notice how not one Egyptian target outside of Saudi Arabia was struck, Egypt and Syria should have to pay for the thousands of Saudi's they killed.

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A formal peace agreement is more than acceptable. Egypt doesn't have to pay for damages caused to Ha'il, those will be covered and more by the SU. We won't let a foriegn power dictate how the government should be run, and so that demand is out, although we will see to it that Christians and other minorities are given more rights. Egypt will definetely not recieve payment, Egypt invaded Saudi Arabia, you can not blame us for destroying your armies on our land, they were more than legitimate military targets, notice how not one Egyptian target outside of Saudi Arabia was struck, Egypt and Syria should have to pay for the thousands of Saudi's they killed.

Egypt isn't trying to force the Saudi Family out of power. We are simply asking that the people be given some sort of political freedoms. As for the damage repayment, it is for damages caused after Egypt called for peace. Those were uncalled-for deaths that did nothing for either side except leave hundreds dead. And actually most Saudi deaths were from Saudi offensives, not Egyptian attacks.

Perhaps we can make a compromise. Let each side pay for its own damage. Also, perhaps the Saudis would prefer the Syrian system to a full republic or European-style Constitutional Monarchy. The King would function as a second, or third, depending on how you choose to structure it, house in your legislative body. Each group would need to ratify each others desiscions to make it legal. The King could, however, retain some powers, like responsibilty for foreign relations or intelligence.

Our system was the compromise between those who wanted the voice of the people and the groups in favor of traditional rule, a situation we appear to have here.

The German Undersecretary of Foreign Affairs arrives and takes a seat but not a position.

The American representative, John Foster Dulles, is also present

OOC: You do realize that because the UN thread was like 6 months ahead of the war thread most of those casualties, the grand majority of those casualties, came before any call for peace.

IC:We will agree to give more rights to minorities but Syria and Egypt have no right to dictate how we should govern and as such we will not change our government for them. We also will not pay for losses suffered by the Egyptian military, because they were losses that were suffered when Egypt invaded Saudi Arabia, instead if anything Egypt should pay Saudi Arabia.

OOC: I asked for peace on the FAS thread as well. I am going by when I called for a peace conference on that thread, not the UN.

IC: Egypt did little or no damage to the Arabian people. The only town we attacked was taken with little resistance. It was a suicidal Saudi attack that desolated the town and the area around it, and on top of that, they were attacking defensive troops after a cease-fire had been called for. So technically, the Saudi Military committed genocide on it's own people and is now blaming Egypt.

Genocide? How can you call attacking an invading army genocide? Regardless, Egypt will recieve absolutely no payment and should consider itself lucky that payments aren't being demanded from it.

Saudi forces bombarded the city, demolishing it and killing hundreds of civilians and, since a cease-fire had been called for, it was for no reason. Besides, how can Egypt be forced to pay Saudi Arabia? We offered 3 points for the city, even though Saudi forces did all the damage. Almost all Saudi losses were caused by suicidal charges against coalition forces.

The city was never bombarded by Saudi forces, but regardless, like we said, Egypt will not recieve any payment but instead should pay for damages caused in the initial invasion and the fighting preceding the call for a ceasefire.

Since I'm planning on investing in Saudi Arabia later, screw the whole repayment thing. It's not worth arguing over if the point are going right back into Arabia anyway. :rolleyes:

Now how about we discuss the amount of foreign troops in the Middle East. With US, German, British, and now SU troops all cluttered on the Arabian Peninsula, how about we arrange that only 50,000 foreign (as in not Arab) soldiers are allowed in Arab nations at a time. Besides, this year (1953) the Arab League Peacekeeping Force will protect the Arab nations without the "alternative motives" of outside nations. This will probably become an Arab League policy but it might as well be discussed here since this little democracy vs tyranny war nearly caused World War 4.

Chiang Kai Shek raised his hands to stop the arguement between the Egyptian and the Scandic. He shook his head and then spoke.

"Formal peace treaty is agrred upon.

Therefore the only two issues to discuss is reparations and the status of the Arabian government.

The reparations isn't as important as the status of the government. Therefore we must discuss the future of Arabia and its government then we can worry about money and reparations later."

We will not limit the amount of troops in Saudi Arabia, although we will withdraw our offensive weaponry. The Arab league has no say over Saudi Arabia and vice versa, what you do in Arab league members is none of our bussines, and so if you want to establish an AL "Peacekeeping" force thats fine, but it will not enter Saudi territory.

And if your going to pay Saudi Arabia later, what is the problem with paying reperations for damages now?

Since I'm planning on investing in Saudi Arabia later, screw the whole repayment thing. It's not worth arguing over if the point are going right back into Arabia anyway. :rolleyes:

Now how about we discuss the amount of foreign troops in the Middle East. With US, German, British, and now SU troops all cluttered on the Arabian Peninsula, how about we arrange that only 50,000 foreign (as in not Arab) soldiers are allowed in Arab nations at a time. Besides, this year (1953) the Arab League Peacekeeping Force will protect the Arab nations without the "alternative motives" of outside nations. This will probably become an Arab League policy but it might as well be discussed here since this little democracy vs tyranny war nearly caused World War 4.

Dulles points out that there are no American combat troops in the Mideast, just some Air Force personnel in Oman, plus some advisors in Oman, plus of course the 5th Fleet, which is mainly in the Indian Ocean.

And if your going to pay Saudi Arabia later, what is the problem with paying reperations for damages now?

No, I meant I'm going to begin investing in Arab nations to make them stronger and less dependent on foreign aid.

We will not limit the amount of troops in Saudi Arabia, although we will withdraw our offensive weaponry. The Arab league has no say over Saudi Arabia and vice versa, what you do in Arab league members is none of our bussines, and so if you want to establish an AL "Peacekeeping" force thats fine, but it will not enter Saudi territory.

I don't think you're playing as an IC Saudi instead of a brainless puppet. Why would King Ibn (a devout Wahhabinist) want an army of christian soldiers in his nation if there's peace now? He also wouldn't hate the Arab League (in RL, he was one of the key figures in creating it).

If it will calm the Saudis and Egyptians down, Syria can pay all or part of the reparations, perhaps not as timely as Egypt might, but we will try to help pay. While most troops were Egyptian or Saudi, Scanadavia and Syria both provided instrumental support to their respective sides.

While a measure limiting foreign troops in the middle east, not only in Saudi Arabia, but in Syria, Egypt, and even Baghdad and Morocco would be welcome, this is not the proper venue, and thus, should not factor into our talks here.

If I may ask, why are the Saudis so reluctant to let the populace have a voice in the government? Although bringing in soldiers that would, under different circumstances, be tortured in the dungeons of Riyadh, (ooc: the capital is Riyadh right? For a long time it used to be in some city whose name eludes me right now, I'll look it up later) in order to maintain control of your government may be an issue of concern for voters, it has been our experience that many voters tend to follow the King, and the Royalist Party, tending to agree with the King, has always carried a majority in the Majlis al-Chaab.

No, I meant I'm going to begin investing in Arab nations to make them stronger and less dependent on foreign aid.



I don't think you're playing as an IC Saudi instead of a brainless puppet. Why would King Ibn (a devout Wahhabinist) want an army of christian soldiers in his nation if there's peace now? He also wouldn't hate the Arab League (in RL, he was one of the key figures in creating it).


OOC: Because that same Christian nation is giving him dozens of points in aid gauranteed, has just saved his ass, and the only troop presence will be a minor defensive presence that will not be in the cities. Also, while in real he might have liked the Arab League, that Arab league just invaded him and tried to have him killed.

OOC: He's playing Saudi Arabia fine, kinda like how they are to the US now, minus Terrorism.

IC: The Undersecretary points out that there are no longer German Soldiers in Arabia. There is a war college in Syria, but their job is primarily to train Syrians.

We will agree to peace on the following conditions, most of which already have been agreed on.

1. That Egyptian and Syrian troops pull out of Saudi Arabia and agree to never set foot in Saudi territory again.

2.Payment be made for the initial damages caused by the invasion.(A few points, nothing major)

3.The Saudi government will not change, but further rights for minorities will be granted.

4.Egypt and Syria both agree not to support any attempt to harm Saudi Arabia or the ruling family. Both Syria and Egypt also have to pull any backing from the Rashidi's.

5.The Scandic Union will pull out all offensive weaponry but will keep a defensive presence in Saudi Arabia, away from the cities.

Now how about we discuss the amount of foreign troops in the Middle East. With US, German, British, and now SU troops all cluttered on the Arabian Peninsula, how about we arrange that only 50,000 foreign (as in not Arab) soldiers are allowed in Arab nations at a time. Besides, this year (1953) the Arab League Peacekeeping Force will protect the Arab nations without the "alternative motives" of outside nations. This will probably become an Arab League policy but it might as well be discussed here since this little democracy vs tyranny war nearly caused World War 4.

The British representative, sitting quietly at the back of the room, is outraged at this proposal. Would the Egyptians have Britain refuse to aid one of her close allies in the Peninsula? If Kuwait or Oman request a British military presence at any time then it will be given, that is a central part of the Commonwealth system.

We will agree to peace on the following conditions, most of which already have been agreed on.

1. That Egyptian and Syrian troops pull out of Saudi Arabia and agree to never set foot in Saudi territory again.

2.Payment be made for the initial damages caused by the invasion.(A few points, nothing major)

3.The Saudi government will not change, but further rights for minorities will be granted.

4.Egypt and Syria both agree not to support any attempt to harm Saudi Arabia or the ruling family. Both Syria and Egypt also have to pull any backing from the Rashidi's.

5.The Scandic Union will pull out all offensive weaponry but will keep a defensive presence in Saudi Arabia, away from the cities.

That's pretty much a rewording of my terms but sure. Except number 2. Egypt caused little damage during the invasion. Almost all losses were caused by the Saudi military's attacks.

The British representative, sitting quietly at the back of the room, is outraged at this proposal. Would the Egyptians have Britain refuse to aid one of her close allies in the Peninsula? If Kuwait or Oman request a British military presence at any time then it will be given, that is a central part of the Commonwealth system.

We're reducing peacetime amounts of foreign garrisons. There are no restrictions on foreign aid during wars/conflicts.

Number 2 is essential to peace, regardless of how much damage was caused, it needs to be paid for.

Turning to the British delegate, the Crown Prince repeats that this is not the proper venue to discuss the Arab League's issues, and that it should be taken to the members of the Arab League (the NPC thread) to debate.

To discuss the Saudi proposal:

On the first point, it is my understanding that most, if not all Egyptian troops have already left. The Syrian Air Force contingent has left, as their planes are due for replacement. Syrian Army units have remained in place, soley because partisan attacks on our units, or Saudi units, could ruin the ceasefire we have. However, they have been ordered to cease all combat action, even firing drills and the like. While the second part could cause issues, we will agree to it, assuming peacetime circumstances. It could not be used, for example, to guarantee Syrian neutrality in an issue of national security, but that is more of an issue on the fourth point.

On the second point, we will try to pay the Saudis what we can. In fact, several Syrian organizations have collected money they wish to donate to those affected by war. However, due to the limited nature of foriegn bankrolling in our nation, it may take time.

Your third issue is more an issue for your people, but would it be possible to have at least local positions elected?

The fourth and fifth issues are of great concern however. Your desire for your rights as a nation were the reason you refused to stop supporting the terrorist groups of the UIR, the reason you let Scandic troops keep you in power, and the reason you are opposed to letting the people speak. Yet you want us to deny support to an ally, limit cooperation with allies, and follow your advice on foriegn policy, the same things you criticize us for doing.

Number 2 is essential to peace, regardless of how much damage was caused, it needs to be paid for.

Alright then, how about each party involved pays for the damages caused by their attacks?

On the first point, it is my understanding that most, if not all Egyptian troops have already left. The Syrian Air Force contingent has left, as their planes are due for replacement.

OOC: Actually the entire Egyptian army has been destroyed, and your Saab 29's have been shot down.



The fourth and fifth issues are of great concern however. Your desire for your rights as a nation were the reason you refused to stop supporting the terrorist groups of the UIR, the reason you let Scandic troops keep you in power, and the reason you are opposed to letting the people speak. Yet you want us to deny support to an ally, limit cooperation with allies, and follow your advice on foriegn policy, the same things you criticize us for doing.

The Rashidi's are actively trying to overthrow the Saudi government, supporting them would make any peace treaty irrevelant. We are not supporting anybody who is trying to overthrow the Syrian government, and if we were I am sure your government would not take kindly to it.

Alright then, how about each party involved pays for the damages caused by their attacks?

We have said before, Egypt will not recieve payment for losses inccured when Egypt invaded Saudi Arabia, now if any damage was caused to Egypt outside of Saudi Arabia that is another story and it will be payed for. Egypt invaded Saudi Arabia at its own behest and should now pay the consequences for its actions.

OOC: Actually the entire Egyptian army has been destroyed, and your Saab 29's have been shot down.

Perhaps you should read the war threads again. Not even half of the convoy Egypt sent (which was still only about half their military) was destroyed. I could have marched on the capital and destroyed it but I ordered a halt to the advances and asked for a cease-fire. The Saudi family refused and continued attacking FOR 6 MONTHS before they actually gave in. If I wanted to, I could march back into Saudi Arabia and take the capital right now.

We have said before, Egypt will not recieve payment for losses inccured when Egypt invaded Saudi Arabia, now if any damage was caused to Egypt outside of Saudi Arabia that is another story and it will be payed for. Egypt invaded Saudi Arabia at its own behest and should now pay the consequences for its actions.

Maybe you don't know what a cease-fire is. It's when you CEASE-FIRE (as in stop shooting. Come on, follow along) the Saudi family attacked Egypt after the cease-fire and that's what I want repayment for.

OOC: When I said your army I meant the units you sent into Saudi Arabia, which according to LR's last post have all been destroyed, I'm going by LR's last post. And, no, you couldn't take Ryadh.

Maybe you don't know what a cease-fire is. It's when you CEASE-FIRE (as in stop shooting. Come on, follow along) the Saudi family attacked Egypt after the cease-fire and that's what I want repayment for.

No attacks were made after a ceasefire was agreed upon.

OOC: I can't tell which posts of yours are OOC and which are IC.

OOC:
I hadnt seen the war thread when I posted, but the pilots went back. Most of the Syrian reinforcements 3 light infantry divisions and several mech groups, hadn't arrived yet.

IC:

The Rashidis are merely following in your footsteps. You helped the UIR rebel against the FAS, they are helping rebel against you. What is the difference? However, in the needs of peace, we will not give military or economic support to Western Arabia if war should break out between your two nations. However, refugee help and protecting the holy sites of Mecca and Medina cannot be ruled out. I beleive that will settle everything except the debate of democracy over dictatorship. We have reduced our demands for constitutional monarchy to requests for local elections. What is the problem with letting the people speak.

A note is passed to the Syrian representative asking if perhaps a seperate peace could be arranged between Syria and Saudi Arabia/the SU.

OOC:
I hadnt seen the war thread when I posted, but the pilots went back. Most of the Syrian reinforcements 3 light infantry divisions and several mech groups, hadn't arrived yet.

IC:

The Rashidis are merely following in your footsteps. You helped the UIR rebel against the FAS, they are helping rebel against you. What is the difference? However, in the needs of peace, we will not give military or economic support to Western Arabia if war should break out between your two nations. However, refugee help and protecting the holy sites of Mecca and Medina cannot be ruled out. I beleive that will settle everything except the debate of democracy over dictatorship. We have reduced our demands for constitutional monarchy to requests for local elections. What is the problem with letting the people speak.

That is acceptable, we would do the same in your situation. As for local elections, doing so would undermine our whole system. Perhaps in the future, but we will not change our government now. We have already made concessions in that we are willing to grant more rights to religous minorities.

The response reads:

If local elections can be held (mayor level-ish, like in RL), then we can guarantee peace and limited funds, with restrictions on useage (non-military purposes) We will also try to calm our friends down.

(Egypt: check tgs in a second)

The Scandic Representative stood to get the rooms attention before speaking.

I would just like to point out something to this room, while I cannot speak for what was occuring in the UN during the time, Egypt never asked Saudi Arabia for a ceasefire untill December, prior to then they had only demanded a surrender from Saudi Arabia, threatening to starve out the nation in a year if Saudi Arabia did not surrender. Meaning the fighting lasted a bare two months after their call.

OOC: Just checked the thread.

the US concurs (relectuctantly) with the Scandic summary of the situation.

I would just like to point out something to this room, while I cannot speak for what was occuring in the UN during the time, Egypt never asked Saudi Arabia for a ceasefire untill December, prior to then they had only demanded a surrender from Saudi Arabia, threatening to starve out the nation in a year if Saudi Arabia did not surrender. Meaning the fighting lasted a bare two months after their call

Egypt asked for a cease-fire after the FAS surrendered. We did it on the UN thread, so I understand it may be a few months ahead of the war. Since we're all telling different stories of what happened, here's a little summary of events (going by Ribena and the UN thread)

March-April: Egypt captures Ha’il with little resistance. SU forces clash with coalition forces.
June-July: FAS surrenders. Egypt orders a halt to forces and requests peace talks with the Saudi family.
August-September: Coalition forces sit in Ha’il. Switzerland offers to host a peace conference. Saudi forces attack Ha’il. Coalition forces discover SU involvement.
November-December: SU/Saudi forces attack and desolate Ha’il. China offers to host a peace conference. Egypt orders troops to withdraw.
January-February: Everyone’s forces die in another Saudi attack.
March: Now

OOC: June/july, you didn't request peace talks with the Saudi's you demanded a surrender threatening starvation on their people. In the thread itself you didn't mention ceasefire or ask for anything of the sort till after the December turn, I made sure to check.

IC: Again, we must state our wish that Egypt pay for damages caused in the initial invasion to Ha'il and Saudi forces.

Scandanavia and Egypt check tgs

---Chemical Weapons---
The United Republics fiercely oppose the chemical trade ban and agree that chemical weapons are the nuclear weapons of the third world. I openly admit that the United Republics hold a chemical weapons arsenal however, we have sworn never use them offensively. They are for defensive purposes only, and will even then be used only when the survival of the nation is at risk. It seems that those nations that oppose trading of chemical/nuclear weapons technoligy are those that either don't need them or have few allies to trade with. I suggest we modify the proposal so that it bans trade with nations that use them offensively or are known for their aggressiveness.

---Libyan Independence---
The United Republics aren't trying to force Libya's independence. We simply ask for a vote among the Libyans whether they would like independence or even a dual-republic with Italy. We just simply wish that any colonies in Africa that wish for independence aren't supressed or ignored.

---Arabian Liberation War---
Although I cannot speak for the other members of the coalition, Egypt have two reasons for war; stopping the Saudi Army from aiding the Islamists, and installing a representitive government, whether the people want democracy, socialism, or even communism. Our war is not with the Arabian people, but with the monarch. If the Saudi Family accepts the creation of a constitutional monarchy (like the RL UK-style one today), Egypt will pull out of the coalition.

---Brazilian Revolution---
Although the United Republics don't know much about this issue, if it was a true move towards democracy, we salute you. We are solid supporters of democracy and, had we known of the issue and been asked for help, would have aided you in your fight for freedom.

That's a direct quote from the 22nd of March.

OOC: Responded.

Egypt, I said in the thread, I specifically said not including the UN. Anyways, you still didn't ask for a ceasefire in that qoute.

OOC: Responded.

Egypt, I said in the thread, I specifically said not including the UN. Anyways, you still didn't ask for a ceasefire in that qoute.

Last time I checked, the UN was the place for peace talks. And you posted just a few posts later so you can't claim you weren't reading the UN thread.

ooc
to be technical, the US placed a resolution calling for a cease fire before the Security Council before EITHER side agreed to a cease fire. Check the UN around the time the FAS Civil War started.

Last time I checked, the UN was the place for peace talks. And you posted just a few posts later so you can't claim you weren't reading the UN thread.

OOC: What I'm saying is that you never asked the Saudi government directly for a ceasefire untill after the December turn, I even said I wasn't talking about the UN. Anyways, you didn't ask for a ceasefire in that post so that post doesn't have much bearing on the ceasefire argument.

IC: Again, we must state our wish that Egypt pay for damages caused in the initial invasion to Ha'il and Saudi forces.

The Egyptian delegate tells his advisors to locate damage estimates for all sides during the war. He then speaks up:

Egypt already offered to pay 3 points for Ha'il at the beginning. How about we arrange it this way:

-Egypt pays for the Saudi defenders killed during the capture of Ha'il.
-Saudi Arabia pays for all coalition units killed after September. You can't doubt that peace call then because Egypt had already agreed to attend the Switzerland peace conference (I forgot who recommended it) that turn but Saudi forces continued attacking.

The 3 points will be sufficient, but again, no payment will be made to Egypt as no ceasefire had been agreed to when your losses were taken.

Egypt will only pay if Saudi Arabia pays for it's damages as well.

You recieved those damages while invading Saudi Arabia, they will not be payed for.

I recieved those damages while waiting for the Saudi to accept my cease-fire. Now the order to retreat has been voided and additional Egyptian forces have been sent to protect the convoy. If Egyptian forces are attacked again, this conference will end and the tyrants will be removed by force.

Part of the ceasefire agreement was that neither side would reinforce its position, if reinforcements are sent that would void this ceasefire.

Thanks to the Saudi Family, the cease-fire hasn't been enacted yet. Until then, Egypt finds it in it's best interest to protect it's soldiers from the ceaseless Saudi attacks.

The Scandic representative spoke up now.

If Egypt sends reinforcements it will mean a renewal of war, and it will be entirely your fault as you will be in violation of our agreement, tell us now, does Egypt want peace or ahs this whole conference been wasted?

Again another note was passed to the Syrians urging them to join seperate peace talks.

Egypt is not attacking. It is reinforcing incase the Saudi's attack once again. After all, the Saudi delegates have refused almost all demands by Egypt and have shown no signs of even wanting peace.

Again the Scandic representative, this time his voice betraying how worried he was, responded.

"The ceasefire agreement explicitely said, and my government made sure to point this out, that neither side was to reinforce its position during the talks and to do so would mean a renewal of war as my government made sure to point out."

He stopped, and looked at the British, American and Chinese representatives for help before continuing.

"You must excuse me, I must leave and inform my government what has happened here, I am afraid that if Egypt does follow through in breaking the ceasefire agreement...I must go."

With that he got up and hurredly left, sending a message to Stockholm as soon as he could.

The Egyptian delegate shook his head. He turned to the American, British, Syrian, and Saudi delegates.

"How could they be so desperate to start another world war? Northern Europe has mobilized and threatened to retaliate if the SU continues it's war. The SU has threatened Egypt and Syria with direct war if we didn't abandon the fight for democracy.

Now, as Egypt moves to protect it's troops even after clearly stating they were peaceful intentions and promising to withdraw completely after the cease-fire was signed, the SU prepares for war. They refuse to negotiate for the cease-fire and refuse on almost all terms. How could such warmongering leaders even be in office?

Perhaps an independent peace can be arranged with Saudi Arabia. Even though the Scandinavians flee to begin another war when peace is so close, I believe good Islamic brothren can make peace. If the SU wants a holocaust, they can not claim it was because of two feuding Arab states."

The Saudi shook his head.

"it would not be the Scandics restarting the war, but Egypt, you are clearly violating the agreement which you agreed to that brought us all here. You are moving even more troops into Saudi land, when both Saudi Arabia and Scandinavia had halted troop movements. Every issue had been resolved save for one, reperations, how can you say anybody refused to negotiate? I ask you, please, do not break the agreement, do not move in reinforcements, it is up to Egypt whether the war continues or not."

Reinforcements Issue
Once again, Egypt has agreed to withdraw all troops from Saudi lands as soon as the cease-fire is signed. The reinforcements are there to protect coalition forces, as Saudi forces have continued attacking and we fear you may attack once again this month. The reinforcments are not attacking anyone, capturing more territory or anything of the sorts. They are sitting in ruins while coalition forces get reorganized and prepare to leave the nation.

Damages
If the Saudi Family agrees to give political rights to it's citizens, Egypt will not ask for any repayment and will pay the Saudi Family for the defending forces of Ha'il, which were killed when Egyptian forces invaded.

Government
This was Egypt's entire reason for the war. Tyranny has infected Arabia and we wish for the people to not be forgotten. A consitutional monarchy is all we ask. A parliament, elected by the people, to govern alongside the king. The Saudi Family will stay in power and Egypt will even help protect them should the Rashidi's try to gain power once again.

Perhaps if the Saudis can guarantee protection of Egyptian troops from themselves and partisans, Egyptian reinforcements can be halted.

To help the Arab League from fracturing, Egypt is offering a simple peace treaty with Saudi Arabia:

1. A return to normal, unbiased relations between Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

2. Egypt will withdraw all forces from Ha'il.

3. No foreign troop limits, repayments, embargoes, etc. placed on either nation.

That can be agreed to and is acceptable.

Syria is pleased to see peace has been made, and some troops will be deactivated.

All Egyptian forces will be evacuated from the nation.

The German Delegate, rather dissappointed that things have cooled down, mentions to the Egyptian and Syrian Government.

He takes them several rooms away, locks the door, makes sure his guards are standing outside. He then takes out a pad of paper and begins to write in Arabic.

As you both may know, large donations have poured into Arabia, funding the Rashidi Family. As you may have guessed, it is from the Empire. We can not allow this ruthless puppet of Scandinavia stay. We are currently working on an operation to get the Royal Guard to overthrow the Saudi Family, while things are worked out on this side.

I need both of your nations to agree that once the Rashidi Family is put into power, that our three nations promise complete support and a Quadruple Alliance to protect Modernism in the Arabian World. It would be a promise that our nations protect, militarily, Modernism in the Middle East and prevent nations like the Scandic Union from propping up their dictators.

As an added incentive, Germany offers full purchasing rights for German Tanks, Weapons and Planes. Germany also promises to establish a Permanent War College in each nation, resembling those that were made during Ottoman Rule.

Please write your responses on this pad. We are unsure who may be listening.

The Arabic reply reads

While we cannot directly support the German mission, as the ink on this treaty has literally not dried yet, there are zero agents in the Middle East who can help you, and support can increase greatly to the Rashidis after the mission.


(OOC: Heres the brilliant part, the Arabic word for zero is sifr.)

The Egyptian response was sure to surprise his allies:

"Egypt has pledged to defend Saudi Arabia with my defense force and not try to overthrow the government again. Although I won't tell them of your plans, if war breaks out again, I will be forced to take Saudi Arabia and the SU's side. I have nothing against you two, but my word is my word."

OOC: Sorry guys. If war breaks out again, I'm seriously going to help the Saudi's. I won't invade Syria or anything but I'll protect the Saudi Family. If I break my promise, the entire Arab community could see me as a traitor.

OOC: We are only giving minimal support to the Germans, just information we already have. We'd likely do the same thing with you or Germany if there had just been a dispute.

OOC: I don't think the whole coup will just collapse because Egypt isn't there. We've got allies to build-up and Jordan to try to annex (I swear, that's the last nation I'm trying to get to join)