NationStates Jolt Archive

imagine the world without the Seven Years' War! Imagine the ideas of the Enlightenment, never expressed in the American Revolution, or the French Revolution. Imagine a Europe, still clinging to the Holy Roman Empire in 1930! Imagine an Asia that has modernized and competes with the Western powers for global dominance. That is our world! Basically, forget everything you know about the Napoleonic Wars. Forget everything you know about the Opium Wars! Forget everything you know about the Prussian hegemony in Germany. Forget everything that you know about the world as you know it today!!! That is our world! And we have all composed a comprehensive history of our nations as if things were in this way. France and Britain are still at each others necks for global empire. China has grown into a modern fatherly-Asian state that seeks to oppose the Western imperialist drives in Asia. The Ottoman Empire still clings to its last bastions of Islamic autonomy. Heck, even Ethiopia gets a break and conquers a lot of the Sudan. So if any of this sounds interesting to you, now is the time to join!

Ok so basically the current year is 1931, and we will go up to 2006, current military tech is behind a few years(aircraft in 1915ish levels, ships 1920ish and army tech 1925ish save Japan is a little further ahead) normal history ends in about 1750, And as stated at the top the Seven Years' War never happened thus some other major things never happened…

This is the currently used map:
http://s12.invisionfree.com/Long_18th_Century/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=216811

this is our current site(please sign up here before joining on the RP site)
http://s12.invisionfree.com/Long_18th_Century/index.php?act=idx

nations you can claim include(some have histories mixed with other nations that you may wish to know about(possibly Portugal invalving Britain), others may need a completly made up history in most places(Mughals)

Ottoman Empire
Sweden
Portugal
Holland
Poland
Mughal Empire
Ethiopia
Hawaii
Afghanistan
Bavaria
Munster
Hesse
Cologne
The Palatinate
Mecklemburg
Holstien
Wurzburg
Anhalt
Baden
Luxembourg
Saxony
Genoa
Modena
Florence
Sardinia-Piedmont
Naples
Venice
Tuscany
Romagna




Currently claimed nations

Spain(Nebarri Prime)
England(The Beltway)
France(Titicus)
Austria(Czar Natovski Romanov)
Siam(Mare Serenus)
Denmark-Norway(Praetorianica)
Japan(Sukiaida)
China(Haneastic)
Prussia(Elite Battle Hordes)
Russia(Amazont)
Persia(Rydhan)
Switzerland(Brydog)

I'll take the Ottoman Empire, if you don't mind.

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mind you, we havn't truely started RPing much yet

Okay I talked with Beltway he said I could play south africa, as a part of the commonwealth

I will take Poland

I'll claim Denmark-Norway. That seems to be the ideal spot for carving out an empire...

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Before I do this, what about technology? Is it the same as it was before? And what year is this starting in? Cause personally I need to know all this beforehand.

Well I'll take Japan then. THough I think the Mejji Restoration would have happened eventually anyways. A little later perhaps without a US looking to get into the IMperial scheme.

Wait I found them. THough I must complain that CHin a really limits Japan's maker due to their liberal use of resistance from the Japanese. Japan is barely anything other than a CHinese Satrap in their history. So I have to be real inventive. SO no arguing with me on a ton of things cause to tell the truht I have when people cna't take losing cause someone else is inventive when my hands are being tied.

Thanks. And if they still occupy those areas despite it. Well then I suppose you'd have a British Vietnam. Japan proper playing the part of North Vietnam, helping the guerrillas. And as we know the Japanese are excellent jungle fighters. So Britain is about to get drawn into a long guerrilla war that drains manpower and the will of the people. Ok that's good with me. WMAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!! I get to be an insurgent for once. After squashing so many of them in RP's it might be good to learn how to be a good guerrilla fighter. Alrighty then.

I'm thinking a shade under the Yammotto class. As for the aircraft advancements. I am thinking along the lines of you all are using canvas plains like the Sophwith Camel. I am using the first Aluminum like planes. Your planes are in 1918. Mine are in 1925 or 1928. And yes the Japanese can advance like that rather quickly. And it's all on who I can get as an ally.

And yes with a world like that the Japanese would have gone super tech on their ships. And in peacetime they could get alot more than they did in RL. I mean they built around 20 Super battleships during the second world war in about two to three years. I was giving at least 10. WHich means I can do alot more and alot better built. Aka I have quality to China and Britain's quantity. In truth I think it's fair because to tell you the truth, CHina and Britain took such an advantage early on against Japan that if you don't give Japan some leeway, no one is going to EVER want to play it. Cause it'll become an impossible situation instead of just a challenging one.

I'll take converted oilers, but I want my semi-auto rifles, and if I have to give up my 12 aircraft carriers, then I'll go for 5 total, and in the end I get to keep all my super battleships. They'ere easier to build. And Japan WOULD see the need where the rest of the world doesn't. Remember they've already been occupied, they're going to make damn sure to kick the enemy out.

And RUssia is fracticious, why pick on the already weak when I can use them to help weaken the ones I want revenge on. To put it bluntly, my story is to make China and England miserable. And to free my country from you all.

China taken yet, and if not, may I claim it? Also, is the tech the same as it was in the 18th century, or is it more advanced?

Never mind, I recind it all. It won't be any fun to play Japan for the case of China just cut it to peices and so did Britain. It's an impossible situation and you won't even give me any concessions that are different from other countries. THerefore I will have to gracefully pull out.

Like I said never mind. I am not playing.

ok, I'll sign up now

OH so I have a major island removed, and suddenly I am supposed to not be missing huge chunks of land. Remember to Japan land means a crapload of people. The same amount of property in the US might take up only 3 million people. In japan its more like 14 million on that same amount of space. It's people not land. You are in control of a good chunk of my population. Also Japan pioneers alot of technology. They are known for being great inventors.

And a Super Battleships is basically a battleships that's larger than a dreadnaught. It has 5 batteries instead of 4. A normal battleships is about the size of the Lusitania. A super battleship is like having the Titanic as an armored battle platform.

And as for breakthrough, Japan without the motivation of revenge made a ton of breakthroughs in technology in the 1920's. With the motivation of revenge they'd even have more. To tell the truth I seems that as GB you've given yourself too big an edge, and it's getting disconcerting.

A history that was made before Japan ever seemed to be capable of writing anything. Aka the early birds made themselves super strong so anybody learning about it later wasn't able to do a thing. And Japan is intercitly Japan culturally no matter what. I'm not giving myself super stuff. THis is 1920 or 1922 stuff. I haven't stated anything about Zeros or anything like that. I've just stated 5 carriers. I haven't stated tanks. My Japanese army is like the army of 1920 except for semi-auto rifles. That's it. I personally don't see the problem. I mean China stated that it's testing out genetics and I don't see a big stink on that.

I made the changes in the Navy already. I think what I have set now is fine. But I suppose you can cut down my dreadnaughts a little bit. And like I said as for an airforce I am not sure what the Japanese had in the 1920's cause well to tell the truth they don't keep good records til the 30's. I am imagining it's similar to the Swordfish and early aluminum frames. Which is what I am going to put forward. And let me keep what I have. I mean really its hard enough as it is now.

Ergo I inherit his stupidity. Sorry I tried to think of another word and that's the best description I can think of. I study Japanese culture and in truth I am giving their reactions based upon culture.

Uhh Carrier capable planes were being made in 1919. Clearly capable of carrier use and appropriate to your timeline. Ergo I do not wish to make any more changes. I have been making concessions right and left. When do you give me some concessions? I mean the huge battleships is a very small one. And that's all I've been allowed.

Because China is a cheap ass country. It's TOO powerful. I am not going to be that easy. He gave himself way too much with no problems. And I am asking for very little I think. But fine I won't play Japan or any country. Good luck finding players in the future.

I doubt you are sorry to see me leave. I'm too argumentative. And I still don't see how you can't see the HUGE advantages you've given England and China. They are in a sense all powerful. A good RP has every country with certain advantages. What advantages does Japan have in this reality? None. China and Great Britain have conquered them. in RL CHina has always had a large population that if a capable leader comes along can be brought into the future. It's weak, but has a great capability.

Japan has always had the ability to adapt, to take others technologies and to make them their own, and then to make them even better. That's their advantage. I tried to use that, and you told me I couldn't therefore making Japan inaffective. My advice to you. Have CHina simply absorb Japan because you are never going to get another player for Japan with such weaknesses.

Well in truth I wanted a Japan with a moderate edge in technology. That's it. And I kept giving and giving and giving more and more. And all I got were these battleships. I might be at war with England any day now with a tiny fleet while on an island nation. Without a true fleet I'd be dead in a week. What story would I be able to tell? I don't want to be a moderate power, I just want to be able to take my island back.

There I made some changes. Will that be satisfactory.

I cut my carrier force to three 30 plane carriers. THis was what original carriers were capable of carrying. I also stated that the tanks my army had were leftovers from France. (Those small lightly armored pro-types that would be one behind what the French probably have.)

Russia also has an army that could crush me like a bug if they ever got onto my island.

So if I make the change to armored cars, would that be helpful. In truth they aren't very useful in island fighting anyways. And conquer Russian territory? MMMM first is taking my islands back. That's first priority. Whatever ahppens after that is all up for debate.

Who says I am going to war with Britain or China? I never said such a thing. If the occupents of the occupied lands decided to go into rebellion that is their desires, and we have nothing to do with it. If your embassies, ships, soldiers, and foreign civilians are killed by rebels, we have no power of them. We are after all no longer in control of those regions. Besides Japn wishes for continued peace. We are trying to make sure our peace is not violated.

Remember that there are two kinds of peace. Where both are powerful and they mutually respect eachother because to go to war would be detrimental to both. Or to have one country much more powerful than it's neighbor order the weaker country around because it has no choice. That is the peace we have now. Japan just wishes to have the former kind of peace.

I suppose, I hate to quit. It... bugs me. I feel like I've lost and yes you were too harsh. As for planes, I am gathering they are probably like the Swordfish class of airplane. A carrier based biplane made out of canvas at first and then some were made into metal planes later on. It was a plane used by the British during WWII as a last resort. They sunk the Bismark by luck alone. Those are the type of planes for the carriers.

HMM I think all IC should be in the forum appropriate right?

Never dissed it. It was a nice little plane that like the Wildcats could take a pounding and still fly.

By the way I gotta go eat dinner. So I did a few things, by the way might want to look at the D'N and the war threads. Something for you. LALALLAAL!!! INSURGENCY INSURGENCY!! DIE DIE DIE DIE!!! British blood shall run from our streets, and fortresses shall burn. On to the Samurai, on to the Samurai. We shall reach our homeland again out of the traitor's eye. On to the Samurai. On To the Samurai. We will teach the Anglos what their blood taste like.

I get to bump this time.

Thump!!!!

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and i have noted that many people don't like to join threads that have a "large post count" so i ask that we may delete any not signup related posts(like the "Japan sucks thanks to China" thing

And all the bumps.

I might join as Prussia. It depends on how hard you are going to make it for me to unite Germany. Will war with France be enough? If not, could you give me a brief example of what will?

Actually in this reality Prussia and France are rather cozy. THye might join an alliance with Japan. Because Austria, Spain, China, and Britain are at this moment sorta uniting themselves. So unity with Germany would actually get support from France and Japan. *NOds*(

Prussia has, however, been historically friendly with Britain; on the other hand, we'd be likely to object to all-out unification, seeing as how we retain Hannover in Germany.

Note that unification of Germany (or Italy) will be a bit messier here, as Napoleon didn't clean house in either country in this timeline. Thus, there is less of a nationalistic movement in Germany or Italy.

Still, come on in, the water's fine!

Well of course the fact that Bismark probably would have had similar ideas as his influences were less national and more his own ideas. Of course it would be like a book no one paid attention to for years suddenly becomes famous. I mean nationality isn't something that can be truly squeshed. It'll eventually happen no matter what anyone does.

True, same with decolonization. Still, a Germany that forms here won't automatically be the same as RL Germany (of now, or of 1870, or even of 1919)...

Man, I'm going to have a lot of revolts in my territory...

Yeah, some things are inevitable, just like the rule that no empire lasts forever. Which is why I am building mine out of uninhabited islands. Much less the mess and fuss.

So, who are Prussia's enemies then? I will join as Prussia.

That you have to figure out yourself. It's your choice based on the population evalable. And all that. As for enemies, the one who really is teed of is Austria. They are the ones at this moment bugging you.

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YAY!! I don't have to NPC them then. YAY!!

I'm still around. Sorry, real life kind of caught up with me for a while.

ok :)

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and the person who was playing Russia has quit (told me in TG) so they are now open

for all your info i have recently gotten a TG from the nation Amazont who says he would like to join this RP as Russia, but acording to him his confirmation Email either did not work of has not been confirmed yet so he will be joining now

YAy a russia. Maybe they will sell me Alaska.

sadly no, he wouldn't sell it to me

I'd like to participate as Sweden if possible.

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Chinese Imperialistic dogs. Tsk tsk. SOrry my hatred came out. HATE!! AHHHH!!!

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Thump. SO why don't you play as a nation? Or do you?

Uhh bump.

I would like to participate as Denmark-Norway

lots of new nationstates people joining this...and though Denmark-Norway has been claimed, i think i'll hand it to you ask he has not been on in a while

as of now, anyone who wants the Otoman Empire may have it

it has come to my attention that the Swedish player has left due to "being to busy" thus Sweden is now open

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I'll give it a try...
Count me in as Persia, and we'll have some fun :sniper:

ok, Persia it is

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i like switzerland

hello

Switzerland it is then :)

I'll try Portugal

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