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Ok, so I'm looking for some other role players to rp with, using WWII tech. It's going to include some countries that might not have been invovled heavily in the real war, but then thats all the fun, meaning there are eight spots besides the one I'm in.

Threads
Referance Thread, read page 6 for details (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10673741#post10673741)
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The German-Russian Invasion of Poland Thread: Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10671804#post10671804)

Nations
Germany: Thrashia
Italy: Europa alpha
Russia: The Macabees
Britain: Frozopia
France: Madnestan
Spain: Demon 666
Turkey:
Portugal:
Romania:
Bulgaria:
Yugoslavia:
Greece: Ebedron
Mexico:
Norway: Mainiac
Finland:
Sweden:
Japan: New Nicksyllvania
America: New Ausha
China:Russo-Soviets
Poland: Pyschotika
Luxembourg: Toops
Australia: Cravan

Smaller Organizations or Units
1st SS Army : The Kraven Corporation
US 12th Army Group, General Omar Bradley: Amazonian Beasts

Basic Rules

1) No number wanking
2) Be fair, admit your outsmarted when your flank is fucked
3) Use proper english grammar, meaing don't turn this into a msn conversation box
4) Have Fun!
5) No A-bombs, its all real war

Tech will be that of the times, starting from 1939. We'll keep to an original story line up to that point. Where Germany and Russia are jointly invading Poland together, Britain and France just declaring war, and Italy preparing. Japan has its own theatre of war within China, a war with the USSR depends on whether those two players wish to get into it, since historically the two signed a non-aggression pact of some sort.

Spain and Turkey are sort of wild cards. Spain is more likely to join the Axis because of its fascism ruler Franco. Turkey is still ruled, I believe, by a totalitarian government, so can swing either way.

Suggestions to improve the rp are welcome.

Map:
http://www.adrianchapman.com/maps/europe_1939aug_600x540.jpg

Expansion Map:
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/Upum/WWII%20Pics/blankmap.jpg

May I be Japan.

Sure, no problem. Have any back-ground in this type of thing?

Well, my nation is based upon Imperial Japan. I have War Rping experiance, like the Raven-Frenzian War for example

Could I possible take the place of Russia?

Sure The Macabees, you can be Russia. We're pals in the beginnning. :D

I would like to be the Spanish.

On that note, why is Spain administered by 'Ferdinand'? Why not just keep it with Francisco Franco?

On that note, why is Spain administered by 'Ferdinand'? Why not just keep it with Francisco Franco?

Fruedian Slip...

I would like to be the Spanish.

Ok, but I better see some good rp'ing from you Demon 666. Don't fail me.

Do I RP China myself since there's no slot for them?

Damn... Germany has gone...

Damn... Germany has gone...

:D hehehe

New Nicksyllvania: You might have to. Unless someone else wants to do it.

bump, need more people, people.

I would like to try my luck with the brave Frenchmen, and see if I'd come up with anything better than "Let's sit behind the Maginot untill they march over Poland and then push our troops to Belgium to be eaten alive!"

Propably something like "Let's waste our troops in hopeless human waves against the Westwall, they come through Belgium and eat our troops alive!", but the outcome could hardly be any worse than it was with the option 1...

So yea. France, please.

Can I play as germany as well? Like a Different Division, Like the 9th Army..

Can I play as germany as well? Like a Different Division, Like the 9th Army..

How about I designate you as Romania? They allied with Germany on the Axis side, and had their own army in their own right...although they still took their directives from Berlin.

How's that?

Madnestan- confirmed

How about I designate you as Romania? They allied with Germany on the Axis side, and had their own army in their own right...although they still took their directives from Berlin.

How's that?

Madnestan- confirmed

Put me down for a Austrian SS Divison, of failing that the Romanian SS division

Put me down for a Austrian SS Divison, of failing that the Romanian SS division

Why have just a division when you can have a small country? Then you can command as many as 10 divisions. The Romanians also had their own version of the SS, so you wouldn't be missing out.

Italy if you dont mind.


One thing, is it realistic?
Like...
Could i remain neutral and invade greece until the allies or the axis get pissed and THEN choose loyalty?

Italy if you dont mind.


One thing, is it realistic?
Like...
Could i remain neutral and invade greece until the allies or the axis get pissed and THEN choose loyalty?

Hmm...yes I suppose so. It only remains historical to the point where Russian and Germany are invading poland. From there its all up to us rp'ers to decide the fate of Europe.

Why have just a division when you can have a small country? Then you can command as many as 10 divisions. The Romanians also had their own version of the SS, so you wouldn't be missing out.

Hmmmm.... Im not too fussed, I'd rather get down into more Atmospheric RP'ing that centres more on Characters than Mass units...

Just give the word when this begins!

Hmmmm.... Im not too fussed, I'd rather get down into more Atmospheric RP'ing that centres more on Characters than Mass units...

1st SS Army you are. Welcome to the Wehrmacht.

Just give the word when this begins!

I'll post a BIG message in here when it does.

1st SS Army you are. Welcome to the Wehrmacht.

*Clicks Heels together and Raises Right arm out* "Heil Hitler!"

Hm do I want to use Britain or America........

Bah patriotism it is. Britain I be.

Hm do I want to use Britain or America........

Bah patriotism it is. Britain I be.

You just like picking fight with me don't you Frozo? ;) :D

Luxembourg please!

Luxembourg please!

...*blinks*...um...I don't think they even had an armed forces at that time...why not pick one of the 'named' choices not already picked.

...*blinks*...um...I don't think they even had an armed forces at that time...why not pick one of the 'named' choices not already picked.

because I'm a sadist, actually Luxembourg was overlooked, it had a fine Steel industry, a stable Monarchy, and it became Nazi, plus it's the only country in Europe that I'm really familiar with.

because I'm a sadist, actually Luxembourg was overlooked, it had a fine Steel industry, a stable Monarchy, and it became Nazi, plus it's the only country in Europe that I'm really familiar with.

Umm... true all that, but Luxembourg lacked a factor that is quite essentian in a Wolrd WAR 2-RP; Armed Forces. Since it had none. You will have a boring game.

Sorry for not taking the time to look throught the thread that much, but could I possibly be Japan? England? Italy? If none of the above ill settle for canada (*sobs of desperation*)

All three have been chosen - but you've missed the more obvious candidates - the United States and China. :)

All three have been chosen - but you've missed the more obvious candidates - the United States and China. :)


The dutch resistance than!! Or possibly Erwin Rommel with germany?

The Netherlands is still sovereign.

The dutch resistance than!! Or possibly Erwin Rommel with germany?

We already 2 people on Germany, and Netherlands will have little to do compared ot the Americans and Chinese... Why to take small piece of shit when you can have world's strongest economical power as much manpower than hundred Netherlands would have? :p

Alright, i'ma take China and hope I can do enough research to scrape through.

Alright, i'ma take China and hope I can do enough research to scrape through.

France will be glad to share some techs with you, if ya just bothered to send us a tiny little expeditionary force...? ^^

USA USA!!! ILL TAKE AMERICA... (Or the dutch resistance :p )

Alright, i'ma take China and hope I can do enough research to scrape through.

I'd still like to pick a smaller nation cos they are way easier to research and RP, wait, I just found somthing

During World War II, Luxembourg abandoned its policy of neutrality, when it joined the Allies in fighting Germany. Its government, exiled to London, set up a small group of volunteers, who participated in the Normandy invasion

can I take Luxembourg now?

I'd still like to pick a smaller nation cos they are way easier to research and RP, wait, I just found somthing

can I take Luxembourg now?
It was a platoon. There's no point in playing Luxembourg. If you want to do resistance, why don't play Poland?

You just like picking fight with me don't you Frozo? ;) :D
Ya damn right. :D

Can I be the US? i haven't done any forum RP before, but I know tons about history and would like to start rping. The US has many things I could do with it, with the isolationism and all... Vasliy! :sniper:

It was a platoon. There's no point in playing Luxembourg. If you want to do resistance, why don't play Poland?

I quite like the idea of playing the underdog, plus this way I'll be able to RP Radio Luxembourg, please let me play Luxembourg, I'll not let you down.

Hello? Can i be the us???

We are requesting to be Finland.

can i be Estonia?

:rolleyes:

*SIGH*

If America is Open, I'll gladly slide in. If you want an example of my RPing ability, I'll provide some.

If America is Open, I'll gladly slide in. If you want an example of my RPing ability, I'll provide some.


For the record, I asked for America first (previous page)

Ok: If New Ausha gets America, I'll take the Fightin' First Division (similar to how Kraven has the 1st SS).

Ok: If New Ausha gets America, I'll take the Fightin' First Division (similar to how Kraven has the 1st SS).


Hopefully I will, and i'd love you to control the Big Red One. By the way, since I control Eisenhower, does that mean I can order the forces of Great Britan, France, Polish resistance, etc, to a certain degree?

Well, if the US and the Fightin' First are taken, mind if I join in as the Aussies? I'll have to do a little extra research on the weapons and whatnot used (I assume they used a mixture of US and British weaponry), but it shouldn't be a problem for me to do that.

Hopefully I will, and i'd love you to control the Big Red One. By the way, since I control Eisenhower, does that mean I can order the forces of Great Britan, France, Polish resistance, etc, to a certain degree?

No, because Eisenhower was not SHAEF supreme commander in 1939.

No, because Eisenhower was not SHAEF supreme commander in 1939.


Thats right, sorry. Does that mean im confirmed as the US though?

Ok: If New Ausha gets America, I'll take the Fightin' First Division (similar to how Kraven has the 1st SS).

Except that Kraven has the 1st SS-Army, which means several divisions, propably around ten or something. Not just one division. The difference is quite notable.

Except that Kraven has the 1st SS-Army, which means several divisions, propably around ten or something. Not just one division. The difference is quite notable.


Yea why dont you take General Marshall or Patton. Please do not take Ike or McArthur though.

Ok people, I added in those who claimed countries first. China, Turkey, and Poland are still open for the taking. Toops, I went ahead and gave you Luxembourg...just don't make yourself too annoying or else my Gestapo will get your radio crew. ;)

Since we have the essential countries for the beginning of this rp, I will be starting it today. Welcome to those who have joined. And good hunting.

The Thread: Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10671804#post10671804)

Umm... Now I really don't want sound like a nitpicekr. I honestly don't. But this just needs to be cleared out, so that I know what are we allowed to do.

Trashia, Germany didn't have 14+8=22 armoured divisions in August 1939. It had 10. It didn't and it couldn't have Romanian troops in the Polish campaign since Romania wasn't in the Axis yet. It joined a year later.

This is your RP, and we play it in your way naturally, but in the first post you said that the starting situation would be historical, or atleast that's how I read it. Please correct me if I somehow misunderstood it.

Can i be estonia? :P im not very good rp player but i have studied alot of WW II history :P

Do we start our own national threads or keep it on the one thread?

Do we start our own national threads or keep it on the one thread?

For now, its the main thread. As the confrontation widens, if it does, we'll be expanding into other threads. Its the only real large thing going on internationally.

I would like Poland.

Background Information -

I have been doing RPs like this since November 2004.

I have studdied World War II since I was 8. ( Currently 2 months from my 16th Season )

I love to RP wars.

And I know Poland is being invaded by two rather large nations, the USSR and Der Reich. So it would be interesting to try out Poland's last independant days, and play both sides of the annexed Poland. ( Or perhaps the Russian side of Poland ).

Oh and me and Mac go a bit back, not too far but we've known eachother for about 8 months. ( Meaning I was in W@W ).

Hm Im not sure how long has passed in the current RP, whether its time to declare war or not.

Yea why dont you take General Marshall or Patton. Please do not take Ike or McArthur though.
Alright, but I'd prefer General Bradley if at all possible.

Ok people, I added in those who claimed countries first. China, Turkey, and Poland are still open for the taking. Toops, I went ahead and gave you Luxembourg...just don't make yourself too annoying or else my Gestapo will get your radio crew. ;)

Since we have the essential countries for the beginning of this rp, I will be starting it today. Welcome to those who have joined. And good hunting.


DO I GET AMERICA?????????

DO I GET AMERICA?????????
You'ved already been added, see the 1st page.

And if you could change me to the US 12th Army Group under General Omar Bradley, Thrashia, I'd appreciate it.

Frozo: I'd say that about a few days (3-4) thus far. So wait until about...tommorow to respond with something like declaring war.

Well the British responded in two days.....
but bah, I will just delay it.

Well the British responded in two days.....
but bah, I will just delay it.

bah, whatever. let Churchhill get on the radio with some fiery speech or something.

Because I am lazy, I am probably going to have to find that speech and post it.......

Because I am lazy, I am probably going to have to find that speech and post it.......

:D Wikipedia, gotta love it

Because I am lazy, I am probably going to have to find that speech and post it.......

you mean this one

We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the Old.

that wasn't til June 4th 1940

I'm going to be creating another thread where each nation is to enter their militaries, their production capabilities, and their current military tech level (ie, whether or not their tank is as good as a another).

This way we can keep things organized, and gives everyone a chance to see where they're up against. And it allows for those who wish to centralize or standardize something, like tank or fighter production, can. Good idea huh? ;)

Anyway, once I have it, I'll post it in the First Page, where I will collect all threads. You may create your own threads for certain things, but be sure to post a link here, in form like: http://www.google.com. That way I can copy and paste it into the first page, where all threads will be for reference.

So, go find that information, and we got ourselves an rp on the road. Thanks people.

Ugh....mine is going to be completely too long. The Red Army fielded way too many divisions.

Ugh....mine is going to be completely too long. The Red Army fielded way too many divisions.

lol...maybe just armies then for you...and same for me. I'll post first, since i'm creating, but I'll show you what it looks like, then you can start with my template. Hows that?

For that, I'll just give the 12th's stats and let New Ausha take the rest of the American forces.

For that, I'll just give the 12th's stats and let New Ausha take the rest of the American forces.

Good idea, or maybe even make yours and give it to him via e-mail or tg, so he can put it all in one post. I dunno, since you two are together in this, you should discuss this sort of thing one msn or through tgs.

Toops, post that kind of question in here. But since you have no real military, you can post your nations specifics, at least. Also it wouldn't hurt to detail what side they more side with. Make it interesting. Specially with that Luxembourg radio thing.

For that, I'll just give the 12th's stats and let New Ausha take the rest of the American forces.


Lets keep in contact through TG's. Also my e-mail is ocelot_37@hotmail.com (with underscore) Give me your stats for the 12th and ill post it in our own thread. Ill post the URL for it as soon as I get the stats from you.

Also, the RP has begun, but from when Poland is conquered, can we begin doin as we like. Say is this RP as free as much as that I could use the A bomb on London? (Not that I would...:p )

Lets keep in contact through TG's. Also my e-mail is ocelot_37@hotmail.com (with underscore) Give me your stats for the 12th and ill post it in our own thread. Ill post the URL for it as soon as I get the stats from you.

Also, the RP has begun, but from when Poland is conquered, can we begin doin as we like. Say is this RP as free as much as that I could use the A bomb on London? (Not that I would...:p )

I'm officially making this a rule: no A-bomb. It takes away from the...'romance' of the rp.

Pyschotika, you need to reply soon to the invasion thread, so we can keep it moving.

bump

Cravan: Yes you can stay neutral, for as long as you want actually. Its up to you now that the war has started. Everything is historically correct up to the point of September 1st 1939.

Good to know.

Is China taken?

Nope.

Is China taken?

Should I take that as a claim?:confused:

Well the speach I want is Chamberlain (How did I make that silly error?)

I am speaking to you from the Cabinet Room at 10 Downing Street.
This morning the British Ambassador in Berlin handed the German Government a final note stating that, unless we hear from them by 11 o'clock that they were prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland, a state of war would exist between us. I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and that consequently this country is at war with Germany.

You can imagine what a bitter blow it is to me that all my long struggle to win peace has failed. Yet I cannot believe that there is anything more or anything different that I could have done and that would have been more successful.

Up to the very last it would have been quite possible to have arranged a peaceful and honourable settlement between Germany and Poland, but Hitler would not have it. He had evidently made up his mind to attack Poland, whatever happened, and although he now says he put forward reasonable proposals which were rejected by the Poles, that is not a true statement.

The proposals were never shown to the Poles, nor to us, and though they were announced in a German broadcast on Thursday night, Hitler did not wait to hear comments on them but ordered his troops to cross the Polish frontier the next morning.

His action shows convincingly that there is no chance of expecting that this man will ever give up his practice of using force to gain his will. He can only be stopped by force.

We and France are today, in fulfilment of our obligations, going to the aid of Poland, who is so bravely resisting this wicked and unprovoked attack upon her people. We have a clear conscience - we have done all that any country could do to establish peace.

The situation in which no word given by Germany's ruler could be trusted, and no people or country could feel itself safe, has become intolerable. And now that we have resolved to finish it I know that you will play your part with calmness and courage.

At such a moment as this the assurances of support which we have received from the empire are a source of profound encouragement to us.

When I have finished speaking, certain detailed announcements will be made on behalf of the government. Give these your closest attention. The government have made plans under which it will be possible to carry on work of the nation in the days of stress and strain that may be ahead...

Now may God bless you all. May He defend the right. For it is evil things that we shall be fighting against - brute force, bad faith, injustice, oppression and persecution - and against them I am certain that right will prevail

Dont worry Toops, I found it in Wiki anyways.

wiki does help a lot.

Bump, there are plenty of open spots left people...

You guys think this "nationdates" thing is an april fools? :rolleyes:

Psychotica, I'd suggest you start to move the bulk of your army to South, keeping an corridor open to Hungary and Romania, especially Hungary so that when your defense finally collapses you can get as many troops as possible to France through the mentioned countries. IRL, tens of thousands of Poles did this. You could try to get that number even higher. That way you can play both the Army In Exile in the Western front, AND the Armia Krajowa (Home Army) in the occupied Poland.

You guys think this "nationdates" thing is an april fools? :rolleyes:
I almost threw up when i saw the page load.

We still need more people, people. Join up and stop being lazy: BUMP

I can't find the figures for the Japanese Military Strength on 1939. Is it ok if I slightly reduce the 1940 figures to determine it?

I can't find the figures for the Japanese Military Strength on 1939. Is it ok if I slightly reduce the 1940 figures to determine it?
Yes that works fine.

You guys think this "nationdates" thing is an april fools? :rolleyes:
It had better be.

It had better be.

Oh, damn I was hoping to find a woman into Super Soliders, Nazi Uniforms and Totalitarian Governments....

Hey anyone have a weblink for Pre-WW2 British forces. Wiki has let me down, so it seems.

Amazonian Beasts: You have a TG

Amazonian Beasts: You have a TG
acknowledged and responded.

Hey anyone have a weblink for Pre-WW2 British forces. Wiki has let me down, so it seems.

Try googling it, I know for a fact that the British only had the B.E.F. at the start, and like 300 fighters of the RAF. Thats the numbers I remember from my last history paper...

I have a good history book open here. All the forces of major world powers in August 1939... British had 17 infantry divisions, 4 cavalry brigades, 1 armoured division, 0,9 million men alltogether. Of these 17 infantry divisions, most were in India, Africa, Singapore and whatever... BEF had 6, right? I can check that out later too. Airforces had 6000 planes, 2900 of these so called "first line".

France had 104 divs of infantry (44 of cadre, rest of reserve), 5 of cavalry (each of these had a strong armoured detachment, and they were mostly motorized though not as throughoutly as the German motorized divisions), 4 divisions and 6 separate regiments of armoured troops, 6,4 million men. Airforces consisted 2000 planes, 1500 first line.

Germany: 130 divs of infantry (not said in here, but I think that 8 of them were motorized), 1 brigade of cavalry, 10 armoured divisions, 10 million men alltogether. Germany had 9000 planes, 5500 of these first line. I am not really sure of what that "first line" really means, and it is not said here how many of those were fighters and how many bombers.

I can give stats of Italy, Japan, USA and SU also, as well as the naval stats later. Now in a hurry, unfortunately.

I have a good history book open here. All the forces of major world powers in August 1939... British had 17 infantry divisions, 4 cavalry brigades, 1 armoured division, 0,9 million men alltogether. Of these 17 infantry divisions, most were in India, Africa, Singapore and whatever... BEF had 6, right? I can check that out later too. Airforces had 6000 planes, 2900 of these so called "first line".

France had 104 divs of infantry (44 of cadre, rest of reserve), 5 of cavalry (each of these had a strong armoured detachment, and they were mostly motorized though not as throughoutly as the German motorized divisions), 4 divisions and 6 separate regiments of armoured troops, 6,4 million men. Airforces consisted 2000 planes, 1500 first line.

Germany: 130 divs of infantry (not said in here, but I think that 8 of them were motorized), 1 brigade of cavalry, 10 armoured divisions, 10 million men alltogether. Germany had 9000 planes, 5500 of these first line. I am not really sure of what that "first line" really means, and it is not said here how many of those were fighters and how many bombers.

I can give stats of Italy, Japan, USA and SU also, as well as the naval stats later. Now in a hurry, unfortunately.

This helps a lot, thanks for the effort. I had been trying to find the 'total' number of 1939 army divisions. Good job *thumbs up*.

Wow thats great. I will google the BEF.

Hm this is helpful, I think:
http://www.schoolshistory.org.uk/EuropeatWar/britishreadinessforwar.htm

Ok so 12 Divisions, each 10-20,000
Damn thats tiny.

Dammit, Russia's already taken.

I would have been really good at that. :(

Hm this is helpful, I think:
http://www.schoolshistory.org.uk/EuropeatWar/britishreadinessforwar.htm

Ok so 12 Divisions, each 10-20,000
Damn thats tiny.

It gives a number of 50 (!!!!) divisions... Even when counting the Territorial Army, a force pretty similar (in means of quality) to Volksturm, I don't think the number was that high... I wouldn't really rely on that page. But anyways, it was actually 12 divisions instead of 6? It seems you people shouldn't rely on me neither! :rolleyes:

I will use 12 as a number for BEF sent to France.

I will use 12 as a number for BEF sent to France.

Yes, checked it from da book. 12 It was. In Western Front we have around 90 French (or historically so, I propably take more from North Africa and other colonies to mainland), 12 British divisions, plus 22 Belgian and 12 Dutch.

If I joined on Norway, could I immediately place economic sanctions on Germany? Seriously, without the port of Narvik sending them Swedish iron, Germany will have a noteworthy supply issue. Historically Norway was interested in neutrality at this point, but Hitler has started to show his true colors.

If I can make such a move, I want to join as Norway.

Looking for Chinas military stats in 1939, havnt found any yet

Looking for Chinas military stats in 1939, havnt found any yet

Shitloads of rather crappy infantry :p

What else do you need to know? Your airforce has few dozens of Americans, The Flying Tigers, you have no navy and no armoured force.

Mainiac thats why I am sending troops to Norway, trying to cut off the Germans super early.

Only 5,600,000 troops? I dont even have enough transports to move them >_>, guess ill have to be completly defensive. Bring it on Japan!

Only 5,600,000 troops? I dont even have enough transports to move them >_>, guess ill have to be completly defensive. Bring it on Japan!

Just arm some men with rifles here and there, rest can have knives and spears. All the MG's you have you put in line behind them, and voilâ! Time for some serious HUMANWAWAVING! :D

Uh...I cant seem to find US millitary strength in 1939...amazon, you find anything?

August 1939, USA:
27 Infantry divisions (includes NG divisions in full preparedness), 2 divisions of cavalry, 4 armoured brigades, 1,4 million men. 4000 aircraft, 3000 of the first line.
15 battleships (8 under construction), 5 carriers (2), 35 cruisers (8), 217 destroyers and torpedo boats (33), 93 submarines (21).

In this list there is no distinction between light and heavy cruisers, but I suppose that the lightest, those used as leading ships of destroyer flotillas, are included in the destroyer category.

Is there anything on Spain?
All I can find is that they're still pretty fucked up from the Civil War.

Is there anything on Spain?
All I can find is that they're still pretty fucked up from the Civil War.

Unfortunately not, this particular book is about the Second World War and Spain didn't take part in that. Excluding the Blue Division of course.

Any Stats for the Japanese Army and the Manchurian Army?

I have the Naval Stats

Japan: 60 divs and 14 brigades of infantry, 4 Brigades of cavalry, 10 armoured brigades (=regiments), 2,5 million men. 9000 aircraft.

Japan: 60 divs and 14 brigades of infantry, 4 Brigades of cavalry, 10 armoured brigades (=regiments), 2,5 million men. 9000 aircraft.

Thanks

Is there anything on Spain?
All I can find is that they're still pretty fucked up from the Civil War.

Franco had sizeable forces, but most of these are being spent consolidating his power. One of the major reasons he refused to invade the Gibraltar was that he didn't have the support in Spain to do so and not risk renewed rebellions in Cataluña and El País Vasco. Another reason is that Hitler refused to sell out the French colonies to Italy and Spain, although it would have probably reaped him better rewards [Italy would have taken Djibouti, closing most trade and logistical support to British Egypt, and Spain would have taken Gibraltar, making it much harder for Britain to enter the Mediterranean, and Malta would have most likely been taken with so many increasing victories - that would have doomed the British Army in North Africa...although most territory there would have most likely gone to Italy]...back on the subject, I can look around, but most of the books I have deal with the Spanish Civil War within itself and not the post-war. In fact, you'd be suprise how hard it is to find a book on that if you're not dedicated on the internet - I had troubles finding a book on the Blue Division at La Casa del Libro.

August 1939, USA:
27 Infantry divisions (includes NG divisions in full preparedness), 2 divisions of cavalry, 4 armoured brigades, 1,4 million men. 4000 aircraft, 3000 of the first line.
15 battleships (8 under construction), 5 carriers (2), 35 cruisers (8), 217 destroyers and torpedo boats (33), 93 submarines (21).

In this list there is no distinction between light and heavy cruisers, but I suppose that the lightest, those used as leading ships of destroyer flotillas, are included in the destroyer category.


Thanks. Also, I can draft, right? Also, I can't find the population of the US, so I dont know how to implement the maximum 5% population conscription. Anyone know any resources?

Thanks. Also, I can draft, right? Also, I can't find the population of the US, so I dont know how to implement the maximum 5% population conscription. Anyone know any resources?

I replied to something about this in the Fall Weiss thread.
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Nice work Madnestan. And all those Axis players, ie Italy, Japan, Spain. Hitler will, after the conquest of Poland, but holding a conference in Munich. I hope you'll all attend. :D And the japanese embassador can act as mediator.

About that 5% draft... it doesn't really apply here. Soviet Union for example draftet more than 17%. Even while it's true that this exhausts the society and industrial production efficiency suffers a bit, it's still completely possible. The usual, "normal" drafting percentage in both World Wars was around 10%, since that was the approx. number of men between about 18 and 35. To achieve 17%, one must be ready to use women in much larger scale of jobs than usually, like snipers, fighter pilots, in logistics, support troops, even as frontline fighters as well as youngsters not older than 16.

About that 5% draft... it doesn't really apply here. Soviet Union for example draftet more than 17%. Even while it's true that this exhausts the society and industrial production efficiency suffers a bit, it's still completely possible. The usual, "normal" drafting percentage in both World Wars was around 10%, since that was the approx. number of men between about 18 and 35. To achieve 17%, one must be ready to use women in much larger scale of jobs than usually, like snipers, fighter pilots, in logistics, support troops, even as frontline fighters as well as youngsters not older than 16.

Yes, this is quite true. I'll be making a rule that you have to keep to your draft rate at historical levels. So no one can number wank.

Would it be posible that I could be India?

Plus, China should be two sides, the communists and the KMT.

I have roleplayed WWII before, but not on this site.

Would it be posible that I could be India?

Plus, China should be two sides, the communists and the KMT.

I have roleplayed WWII before, but not on this site.

Hmm...you'd need to talk with the Britain player. He technically controls India and all British resources and land; but perhaps like some players rp'ing as armies and commanders, you can rp as one of the british provinces...I'm cool with it, but you'll need to speak with Frozopia on it.

Im fine with it. Takes some weight of my beast of burden, Rping Britain is always difficult. As long as your going to send those 200,000 or so troops I have India when I need them.

Im fine with it. Takes some weight of my beast of burden, Rping Britain is always difficult. As long as your going to send those 200,000 or so troops I have India when I need them.

You'd risk the loss of India? What happens if the Japs push the Chinese aside, what happens then? You'd be caught with your pants down.

You'd risk the loss of India? What happens if the Japs push the Chinese aside, what happens then? You'd be caught with your pants down.
Disagreed. If Frozopia's UK starts to build up the Indian Army now already, instead of 41 when it's almost too late, he will have the place secured in a year by the Indian troops only. Which would be a great thing to me, defending France is quite damn man-consuming business :P

ooc: at the very least, you have to stick with America's isolationist view for a while, and FDR is not prez until 1940, so those two things only do you have to change. Other than that, your post is fine; you can start talking with the Brits about sending them supplies, etc.

As stated by Amazonian Beasts, FDR was pres from 1932-45. He was the only president to serve (I belive it was) four terms.

And I have to wait until Japan continues the invasion before I can do anything in my lonely little corner of the Pacific. Also, can anyone give me any stats on the state of the Austrailian military at this time?

sorry if i'm too late thrashia, but can i play a british infantry division/platoon?
(preferably S.A.S or paratroops)

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Disagreed. If Frozopia's UK starts to build up the Indian Army now already, instead of 41 when it's almost too late, he will have the place secured in a year by the Indian troops only. Which would be a great thing to me, defending France is quite damn man-consuming business :P

Good man. Thats what I need.....

Besides I didnt mean all 200,000. But with a force training from 1939, It would give me alot more flexibility in future.

By the way, how did the British transport soldiers from their colonies to the western front (obviously naval)? I mean I assume the Germans did something to prevent them.

The British Royal Navy was quite Large, and a match for any navy in Surface Combat. The Germans used Subs and Pocket Battleships to attack transports quickly before running away.

The Japanese had the Advantage of having a well established Carrier Doctrine early in the war.

By the way, how did the British transport soldiers from their colonies to the western front (obviously naval)? I mean I assume the Germans did something to prevent them.

Like New Nicks said, Germans used their submarines. On the other hand, British made a great effort in protecting the convoys, and had numerous destroyers and light cruisers acting as an escort. In 1939 this war wasn't too intensive though, since the German submarine navy wasn't nearly as strong as two years, or even a year, later. The British escorts weren't therefore as strong neither.

sorry if i'm too late thrashia, but can i play a british infantry division/platoon?
(preferably S.A.S or paratroops)

:sniper:
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please?

Buddy, Thrashia isn't online right now. Be patient and wait for an answer.

Ebedron, San roventa, a piece of advice for both of you; REMOVE THOSE SHOOTING SMILEYS. Sniper and terrorist smiley usually the first signs of the unfortunate event of an idiot/newbie entering the thread, and if you ever want to be taken seriously you must get rid of that habit of using them.

Correct spelling and appropriate usage of capital letters wouldn't do any harm neither.

Yes, this is quite true. I'll be making a rule that you have to keep to your draft rate at historical levels. So no one can number wank.

Norway didn't even get fully mobalized, let alone start drafting. Can I draft at a %5 rate once I'm in the war?

sorry, but i accidentally deleted my request ill just redo it.

I would like to be Greece.

Ebedron, I've set you up as Greece. Welcome. San roventa, its is up to the nation whose army you wish to be apart of that you should ask. I am not in control of them, and it is their choice. If you wish a nation, then that I can make a decision on. And listen to their advice, smilies are not always as cool as they seem, and use proper english grammar, it is much appreciated.

If Psychotica is not going to answer in the War Thread before Poland has gone down, I request the permission to play it's moves for now on to that point. Poland is currently the strongest weapon of France and UK, and if it's going to go down in a stupid way (without even trying to get as many troops as possible evacuated to West) and without putting up an adequate resistance it'll be just unfair for the rest of us Allies.
It would be plain idiotic if we suffer, perhaps decisive, defeat solely because of the lazyness of one player.

If Psychotica is not going to answer in the War Thread before Poland has gone down, I request the permission to play it's moves for now on to that point. Poland is currently the strongest weapon of France and UK, and if it's going to go down in a stupid way (without even trying to get as many troops as possible evacuated to West) and without putting up an adequate resistance it'll be just unfair for the rest of us Allies.
It would be plain idiotic if we suffer, perhaps decisive, defeat solely because of the lazyness of one player.

Damn :D...sure, I'll allow you to finish up the rp'ing of Poland. And if that lazy person in question ( no names of course being mentioned ;)) comes back, then he can take control of the troops that escape into Hungary and Romania.

I'm guessing by now that I've killed or captured about 200,000-300,000 polish troops. And I'm a stone's throw from Warsaw.

Up to you to rp it right, and keep in mind the Poles are very nationalistic and stubborn as hell. (I should know, I live in Poland)

Interesting fact for our China player. Apparently, in doing my research on bombers of the Luftwaffe, Germany sold China in 1936-37 10 He 111 V3 Prototype bombers. They weren't as good as the ones the Luftwaffe later made for the Polish invasion, but this makes it that the China player can have a small bomber wing. :D

Also, just a note to everyone, I'd like you guys to get your reference pages up in the thread on this main threads first page, there's a link. Its rather handy when finding out what it is you might be facing, and allows for people to see things and facts they might not have known.

My page is up, so you can use it as a beginning template.

Since in rl Greece is conquered by Italy can i say im worried about the war and begin a buildup now. It will still force the germans to come and crush me, but it would make it harder for the italians. Also, what year do the italians invade greece??

Ebedron, I've set you up as Greece. Welcome. San roventa, its is up to the nation whose army you wish to be apart of that you should ask. I am not in control of them, and it is their choice. If you wish a nation, then that I can make a decision on. And listen to their advice, smilies are not always as cool as they seem, and use proper english grammar, it is much appreciated.

Thanks.

Since in rl Greece is conquered by Italy can i say im worried about the war and begin a buildup now. It will still force the germans to come and crush me, but it would make it harder for the italians. Also, what year do the italians invade greece??

I don't know I am researching it right now.

The war between Italy and Greece begun October 28, 1940 at 5:30 AM. :)

Though in this RP it can naturally go differently...

October 1940, Italy invaded Greece.

October 1940, Italy invaded Greece.
You're right, I counted the months wrong :rolleyes:
Here in non-anglosaxonian Europe, it's said 28.10.1940. Had to count it with my fingers :p

You're right, I counted the months wrong :rolleyes:
Here in non-anglosaxonian Europe, it's said 28.10.1940. Had to count it with my fingers :p

w/e, no hard feelings. Not like I'm gonna shoot ya.

Good, good. Then I can start whining again without fear of getting executed all of the sudden :p .
Because I really think you should mention which of those vehicles you listed in the new thread are in use AT THE MOMENT, to avoid misunderstandings. For instance, your armoured forces have mainly Pz I and II, increasing number of Pz III's and very few short barreled (=field gunned) Pz IV's, the anti tank gun was used in later models only. At the moment the 50mm of PzIII is Germany's best tank gun. Tigers came in '42, Panthers '43, as well as Wespes and Nashorns. StuG III of 1939 also has the short barreled version of that 75mm gun, not L/48 yet.

Hey Frozopia, mind if I play as a british regiment?:D

Frozopia, how do feel about me grabbing the British 1st and 6th Airborne Division(s)? Or if not that, another British formation?

Sure for both of you, assuming Thrashia allows you both in the RP.

Takes the weight of my hands, thats for certain.

No one wants a French formation? :(

I could give an Army, if not even a whole Army Group! Think about that! Not any shitty regiments, divisions or something. A real, armed army group straight from France! Anyone interrested?

er, you are joking, right?
Anyway, Thrashia, I'm allowed to do anything reasonable.
I'm fairly interested in Portugal once I get the country cleaned up...

Thrashia, just a heads up, you missed General Strauss's request to leave so he can carry out your orders

No one wants a French formation? :(

I could give an Army, if not even a whole Army Group! Think about that! Not any shitty regiments, divisions or something. A real, armed army group straight from France! Anyone interrested?

Someone can RP the French Foreign Legion, the French Version of all those famous Divisions.

Where do I post things that aren't related to the war in poland? I'm pulling a partial mobilization (nothing too out there, just don't want to suffer the same fate as poland.) and want to know where to put the details.

Frozopia, how do feel about me grabbing the British 1st and 6th Airborne Division(s)? Or if not that, another British formation?

Again, it is up to the player whose army you wish to join. I don't mind you being here WinTrees, just do me proud. And I said that San roventa could join, but he had to have your permission Frozopia.

Madnestan: Yea, I'll put astrics next to the tanks in use at the moment. Since I'm trying to make Germany a bit more standardized, I decided to concentrate on just a few good tank models.

Naturally. Just that you don't have Tigers ATM...
I thought it would be good to point that out, it could've made someone to freak out thinking he's going to face those now already.

Where do I post things that aren't related to the war in poland? I'm pulling a partial mobilization (nothing too out there, just don't want to suffer the same fate as poland.) and want to know where to put the details.

Like I said a few pages back, if you create threads, about something other that is not involved in the Polish campaign, then you can create it. However all you have to do is make sure you provide me with a link to put up in the first page of this thread, which is our main one and OOC thread.

Madnestan: Yea...wouldn't want to freak them out just yet...:D

I had that WW2 thread Downfall a bit back..i would love to take part in this 1 but im quite busy right now..but TAG** i like it. Plus another one ..a WW2 behind the lines type Gestapo/SS Vs. Oss/commando's...resistance.. will be taking place soon i think...that shall be interesting..

The Germans wouldn't even have the Panther if they don't capture a T-34 at some point. :P Of course, the idea of sloping is not fully Soviet, but it's not an obvious concept either. At first sight, sloping would force your line of sight thickness of the armour to increase, so it's like adding weight - it's not obvious that the sloping would also cause the round to ricochet at greater rates... just a note - the first sentence being the most important.

The Germans wouldn't even have the Panther if they don't capture a T-34 at some point. :P Of course, the idea of sloping is not fully Soviet, but it's not an obvious concept either. At first sight, sloping would force your line of sight thickness of the armour to increase, so it's like adding weight - it's not obvious that the sloping would also cause the round to ricochet at greater rates... just a note - the first sentence being the most important.

I got ya, don't worry. I mean, whose to say I want to invade Russia? I'm not hitler, and I don't plan to re-do his mistakes.

Other efforts were made by the British forces: Gone was the foolishness of World War 1. They knew that when two large economically nations clashed, there was no such thing as British superiority. The Germans were known for their superior armoured divisions and their large aircraft force. Chamberlain hoped to manufacture a tank that was superior to the slow and heavy Matilda as well as the lightly armoured Cruisers. Perhaps a tank that balanced speed and armour, could give Britain the edge in the war.

Although Chamberlain was confident of the RAF in a defensive war, particularly when backed with the advanced and still very much secret RADAR system, Chamberlain wanted to put the Germans on the back foot in the air. Hence 100's of more crafts needed to be manufactured, particularly ones ideal for long distance bombardment.

It was time for the world to be split apart by war, crumbling into darkness. And Chamberlain hoped that Britain would not fall with it.

Chamberlain is hardly the man to be even thinking these. He was an ardent pacifist and had bargained with Hitler on several occasions to avoid a confrontation. Many people are under the misconception that once WWII started, tanks began the forefront.

It wasn't like that. German commanders, even when given tanks, were not always willing to use them. Only such commanders as Heinz Guderian, von Bock, Kluge, and Rommel (to name a few) actually made something out of this new technology. Nearly all commanders at the beginning of the second world war were still largely seated in their WWI mindsets. The Germans were just the only ones to be brave and take an extra step out of the box.

Britain at this time has nothing to compare its tanks to, having only the experiance of WWI. So your statement here is rather pre-dated to the actual thing and premature.

RADAR did not come into the picture hardly ever until 1942. Until then it was from look-outs with a handy pair of binoculars.

Radar came pre-1941; it would have been available at Pearl Harbour had the USA put in there fast enough. Regardless, Thrashia is more or less correct - in 1939 there weren't many senior commanders that were interested in fast moving armoured fist - the greatest armoured generals emerged during '39 and '40, and started to produce their genius in the Eastern Front. One of the few senior officers and old style generals that didn't fit this category was Erich von Manstein [born as von Lewinski], who actually closed the encirclement of the union of the corridor army and several other destroyed Polish armies west of Warsaw - he had to wheel his armour out of the surburbs, where it was getting somewhat smashed [that's when the Germans first found out that cities and armour don't go well together - at this point in time. This isn't necessarilly true later, and in modern armour combat]. He's one of my favourite commanders of the war, but a bit too celebrated. His book, Lost Victories, is really good.

There were 20 RADAR towers by the spring of 1939, but ok.......

True on the Chamberlain thing, but you gotta step outta the box in this RP. Although alot of the thoughts are beyond the time, you cant expect any RPers to follow the WW2 religiously, otherwise we would not be RPing.

I put these thoughts in Chamberlain that would otherwise come from a cluster of different military figures, just out of convenience.

I was tempted at the start of WW2 to have Chamberlain resign: I might have to follow this through to give me more freedom over what happens in Britain, especially when the war is led in the capable hands of Churchill.

I will edit the post (will it be ok if I start it with the resignation of Chamberlain? I want him gone. Now.)

Well, nobody is going to follow WWII on the dot. But you have to follow the characters fairly accurately. A Chamberlain who allowed Czechoslovakia to be dismembered does not have a good chance of suddenly reversing his line of thinking of becoming an automated war machine, lurking for chances for offensive actions.

Its true, I do need to tone him down. Alot.

OOC: Check your PMs Frozopia mate.

Radar came pre-1941; it would have been available at Pearl Harbour had the USA put in there fast enough. Regardless, Thrashia is more or less correct - in 1939 there weren't many senior commanders that were interested in fast moving armoured fist - the greatest armoured generals emerged during '39 and '40, and started to produce their genius in the Eastern Front. One of the few senior officers and old style generals that didn't fit this category was Erich von Manstein [born as von Lewinski], who actually closed the encirclement of the union of the corridor army and several other destroyed Polish armies west of Warsaw - he had to wheel his armour out of the surburbs, where it was getting somewhat smashed [that's when the Germans first found out that cities and armour don't go well together - at this point in time. This isn't necessarilly true later, and in modern armour combat]. He's one of my favourite commanders of the war, but a bit too celebrated. His book, Lost Victories, is really good.

Yea, I know how Manstein opposed some things with Armour, which is why I didn't make him a major part of the invasion. I gave a bit of a promotion to Kluge and Guderian, who were much more capable of making panzer-blitz decisions.

I'm really interested in some rp'ing of the battle of Warsaw, I got the intro into it, alls left is for whoever is rp'ing the Poles to step in and start back.

:p I was saying how Manstein was one of the better armour commanders during the entirety of the war!

Actually, Germans weren't the only ones brave with these new tanks. Russians used them excessively and with great succes in Galkin Ghol, and their armoured doctrine was already in '36 atleast as far as the German one. Tuhatsevski was the main character in developing these. Stalin, in his paranoia, however executed him and with him and his colleagues the idea of independent armoured/motorized divisions and armies was disbanded. Misunderstood teachings of the SCW also did their job.

De Gaulle also spoke for the mechanized warfare, through the old generals were even more stubborn there than in Germany. They always are.

Fact remains that Germany wasn't the only country with people who understood the value of armoured units acting independently and quickly, not only as infantry support.


EDIT: And I must say I'm sorry for the delay in responding for the Poles. I am forced to leave now but I'll reply as quickly as possible tomorrow, you have my word.

:p I was saying how Manstein was one of the better armour commanders during the entirety of the war!

Fruedian Slip...I'll leave it at that. But no, I have Manstein in Suttgart at the moment where I am forming a new panzer division. XD

Actually, Germans weren't the only ones brave with these new tanks. Russians used them excessively and with great succes in Galkin Ghol, and their armoured doctrine was already in '36 atleast as far as the German one. Tuhatsevski was the main character in developing these. Stalin, in his paranoia, however executed him and with him and his colleagues the idea of independent armoured/motorized divisions and armies was disbanded. Misunderstood teachings of the SCW also did their job.


Indeed, and it would be incorrect to assume that the Germans had the best tanks as well. The Soviet Union retained superiority in tank technology throughout most of the war, save for the Panzer Ausf. H [released 1943] and perhaps the Panther. Both of these were able to defeat the T-34/85, especially since the Germans also had better crews. In any case, then I get my IS line of tanks!


De Gaulle also spoke for the mechanized warfare, through the old generals were even more stubborn there than in Germany. They always are.

Unfortunately, de Gaulle was one of the few. He was lucky he even got three divisions, and it should be noted that neither of these divisions were really ready or well commanded by 1940. A counterattack at Sedan would have most likely driven Guderian back across the Meuse, but French armour took entirely took long to organize itself for the attack [it should also be noted that this was not commanded by de Gaulle]... I wrote an article on the Battle of Sedan for a magazine a while ago [it wasn't published since the author of Lightning War just happened to write one too..and who is an editor going to choose? The proven author, or the university student? But, if you're interested I can copy/paste. It's already on the Draftroom.

Trashia, could you possibly draw an update of that map about the War in Poland? It would clear it out a bit. And when you say "Mechanized divisions", I suppose you mean a motorized one?

Trashia, could you possibly draw an update of that map about the War in Poland? It would clear it out a bit. And when you say "Mechanized divisions", I suppose you mean a motorized one?

Yes and Yes. I'll be using another Map template to show expansions and what not. My 'mechanized dvisions' are indeed motorized ones.

The map will be up momentarily.

By the 20th of September the Red Army should be ~60km or so east of the Bug River.

By the 20th of September the Red Army should be ~60km or so east of the Bug River.

Got yea. I already divided the map according to what it was historically. So until we're done actually taking it over, it won't officially be in effect.

Sorry for the shitty post of mine. It's so depressing to fight as the poor Poles... just couldn't write more of it. Now after gotting the Reds on its back the unlucky Polish army has really nothing to do. They'll fight a desperate street fight for the Warsaw, but I'll try to get as many troops as possible out of the sinking ship. My puny French army needs some Polishing...:p

Anyways, Macabees it would be great if you posted or TG'ed the article of yours! I've always been interrested in the Battle of France, but haven't read too much detail about it really.

And Trashia, I'll try to come up with a bit more adequate post considering the Poles, after you'd posted the map.

Well, this was my first article so understandably it wasn't accepted - as you can tell, the quality is a bit... non-existant? In any case, at least it served a purpose in the Blitzkrieg thread on the NS Draftroom. Well, here it is and it's a bit broken because Word seems not to copy paste to forums.

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Guderian flew to Kleist’s headquarters, at Elby, at six o’ clock May 12 in his Fieseler Storch. The Panzer Leader held the right to be pleased with himself, as he had just traversed the once thought impenetrable Ardennes with the largest concentration of armor the world had seen yet. In just two days his XIX Korps had reached the Meuse River, opposite Sedan, the site of the gravest of the French defeat during the Franco-Prussian War, and were poised to once again fulfill this victory.
At the meeting Kleist, thrilled by the recent victories, directed Guderian to strike while the iron was hot the following day at 1500 in order to catch the French defenders full off guard. Guderian was outraged, after two days of relentless drive his 2nd Panzer Division, 1/3 of his korps, had not yet reached the Meuse. Guderian was skeptical that an attack without the 2nd Panzer Division would succeed, attempting to gain more time for his offensive. Nonetheless, Kleist pushed for the attack date and Guderian was forced to agree after Kleist cut him short.
To the XIX Korps’ leader’s bewilderment Kleist had also asked the Luftwaffe commander in the sector, General Loerzer, to keep the attack to one short but heavy bombardment. Guderian was shocked and in his words “the whole attack was placed in jeopardy.” In fact, Guderian had asked Loerzer to keep up a perpetual bombardment to keep the French head’s low allowing an easy crossing of the Meuse, but of course, Kleist thought better.

OKW (German High Command) and OKH (German Army High Command) had originally appointed Kleist to Panzergruppe command level not only because he was one of the quieter generals, when it came time to argue with his superiors, but because this characteristic masked his personality to ignore and even argue his way to his subordinates. As it became known later, in France, Kleist also became known to be in extreme paranoia when it came to French abilities and counter attack, which would play a vital role for the final push to Dunkirk weeks later. In fact, he had even ordered Guderian to divert the 2nd Panzer Division to counter a supposed French thrust to his flank, which of course never materialized. Lucky for the Germans, it was also an order which was quickly ignored as Guderian strove to breakthrough to the Meuse defenses.

Guderian, in turn, was a relatively young general who was the first advocate of armored warfare and deep flanking attacks, a primordial blitzkrieg, which he would perfect in his subsequent studies and campaigns of war. In the Polish campaign, Fall Weiss, he had overran much of Northern Poland, and her overstretched armies, reaching Brest-Litovsk in just a few weeks (although the actual attack into the city would take a bit longer). He was known infamously for his tactical ideology of “striking with a fist”, referring to large clumps of armor and for his non-stop energetic attitude towards war, making him Germany’s finest soldier. So well known for his push for speed he was dubbed Schnelle Heinz, or “Hurrying Heinz”, by his troops. Strangely, for his attack on Sedan, he desired more time to concentrate his forces, although for now he would have to do with whatever time he had.

Guderian planned accordingly. Using a three prong attack to pierce the French Sedan defenses he wanted to crush all French resistance before they could reform their lines. The 1st Panzer Division, crossing at Glaire, a half a mile downstream from Sedan, would push towards the Marfeé Woods and then south, attacking a line running from Chaumont to Chéréry. On the left the 10th Panzer Division would traverse the Meuse two miles south of Sedan and then occupy the nearby heights, eliminating much of the French artillery threat. If the 2nd Panzer Division arrived on time it would strike across the Meuse on the 1st Panzer Division’s right and either help occupy the heights south of the crossing or advance with the 1st Panzer Division, the latter being preferred by Guderian.

What the Panzer Leader was counting on was Lieutenant Colonel Hermann Balck’s 1st Rifle Regiment, four battalions of Lieutenant Colonel Graf von Schwerin’s Gross Deutschland Regiment and his assault engineer companies to storm across the river, break through the rows of pillboxes and bunkers and then hold their positions until a set of bridges were completed to allow the crossing of his panzers.

Guderian placed most of the initial weight of the success of this operation on these regiments and the infantry had to be able to destroy French resistance and then hold against numerous French forces. Balck and von Scwerin had promised him this and it was vital that they did so without failing. Once all his forces were well settled on the other side of the Meuse, Guderian designed an attack to pivot into the French rear, disrupting French communications and throwing most of the Meuse line into disorientation.

To counter this massive assault the French placed General Huntziger’s 2nd Army around the Sedan sector. Huntziger was an outspoken man who had never betted on a German attack claiming that the Germans were so foolish to commit such an act of stupidity. In the French General Staff and in the officer corps he was revered for his “genius” although at Sedan he would prove completely the opposite, which sadly enough was a factor for the entire French general staff.

Generalissimo Gamelin, Commander and Chief of the entire French Army, ordered Sedan to be defended at all costs, but defiant of this Huntziger left the east bank of the city to be left virtually undefended, due to purely strategic reasons. Huntziger, seemingly unaware on French moral, hoped to hold Guderian farther east, at the edge of the Ardennes, by a fairly reliable string of fortifications but to his despair most of the French garrison would run at the sight of the Germans, far before the battle even begun.

The Meuse River banks were another subject of concern for Huntziger. Their sharply rising banks on the east and lower banks on the right exposed his men to German gunfire and furthermore a bend in the river north of Sedan called the Mushroom of Glaire exposed his army on three sides. To counter the latter Huntziger opted to withdraw from the peninsula arguing that it would merely give the Germans a bridgehead, although the 55th Infantry Division would be kept at the base to protect from a German breakthrough.

More disappointedly was the fact that although on paper the 2nd Army had a clear advantage over Guderian’s XIX Korps but in reality most of the army was made up of “B” divisions, or reserve divisions which were poorly commanded by old and inexperienced officers. Discipline was terrible exemplified by the fact that on May 10 7,000 of 17,000 soldiers in the 71st were on sick leave. Only the 3rd North African Division seemed slightly fit to fight such a battle but with its weak flanks provided by the 55th and 71st Divisions Huntziger could hope for little.

The 55th Infantry Division had only a quarter of its anti-tank guns although the storage areas to the rear had around 520, enough for 10 divisions. The division was also short of the necessary anti-aircraft guns, an armament which would soon become more than essential. Although all these shortcomings only worsened the situation the division did have double the normal amount of artillery guns and most of the corps’ artillery also. It was a “B” class division and inexplicably most of the officers were World War I veterans trained to fight in trench warfare, not Blitzkrieg.

On top of this Sedan’s fortifications were deplorable. The easternmost defenses were unoccupied after the German emergence from the Ardennes, which left only the river defenses. Hence the only true barrier to the XIX Korps was a line on the southern banks of the Meuse but moreover these weren’t even finished by May. Although Gamelin, upon hearing of this, ordered for a series of blockhouses to be built along the river line to complement the defensive line, they also were never completed.

At 3:30 P.M. May 12 Huntziger sent a telegram to General Goerges’s headquarters requesting reinforcements after alarming reports of a German breakthrough through the forest. General Roton, filling in for Goerges (Goerges was to report to headquarters by car, a ghastly example of France’s poor communication between generals), ordered the 3rd Armored Divisions and 3rd Motorize Division to reinforce the 2nd Army. Roton also sent up the crack 14th Infantry Division, stationed behind the Maginot Line, by rail to Sedan. But at 5:00 P.M. Huntziger sent a surprisingly illogical message stating that he felt the front was “calm” and that the reinforcements were not to be “rushed”, thus meaning that Huntziger would not have the troops necessary to repel Guderian’s XIX Korps.

The following day the sky opened as a clear, beautiful day, perfect weather for aircraft. This peaceful setting soon transformed into Dante’s inferno at 10:00 A.M. as 200 Stukas and 310 Dornier 17’s escorted by 200 fighters blasted at the French river fortifications. For four hours straight wave upon wave, squadron upon squadron, of Stukas and bombers hit French positions all along the line. French inside the bunkers were terrified and did exactly as the Germans predicted, ducked down into the bunker. The sounds of the Stuka became unbearable and the yells of the wounded supplemented by the screams of the dead forced live men too weep.

The Stukas attacked in waves releasing their armaments on the French bunkers and pillboxes. They were followed by the Dornier 17’s which bombed the already scarred defenses. As the Stukas rose and then returned they poured hell into the French. It was a magnificently deadly sight, and at the same time grossly terrifying. To Guderian’s astonishment his original Luftwaffe plan had been followed and in a later conversation with Loerzer the Luftwaffe general claimed that, “…too late. They would have muddled the air fleet. So I didn’t pass them [Kleist’s orders] on.” This eventual turn of events was a major tactical advantage for Guderian whose triumph remained in the hands of all his cards playing out well.

The worst was to come and with their heads down the French wondered where was their own air force, at one time considered the best or only second to the Soviets. It was one of the more demoralizing aspects that not a single French fighter contested the bombardment for most of the day. Though Georges gave priority to Sedan for air support General Bilotte, air commander of the sector, merely ignored the order.
At 2:00 P.M. the air strikes gradually increased in ferocity and in momentum until it hit its climax at around 3:00 P.M. with an all out attack by over 1,000 aircraft. Then at 4:00 the inferno ceased and the Meuse was covered with a thick blanket of smoke and dust. As it cleared the figures of Germans already puncturing the bunkers could be seen.

As the Luftwaffe continued the assault Schwerin’s Gross Deutschland Regiment and Balck’s 1st Infantry Regiment began their crossing of the Meuse.

Von Schwerin’s first rafts were chewed up as they attempted to go into the water. The second raft met the same fate and not until a 37mm flak gun and two 75mm assault guns opened fire on the bunkers, covering the opposing side, were the French finally silenced. Although now both the artillery and Luftwaffe were hammering French areas of concentration the going was still dangerous. Small arms fire still plagued Balck and his men but nonetheless the regiment crossed and continued towards the bunkers.

At 4:50 A.M. Gross Deutschland’s 2nd Battalion crossed the Meuse and spread into the village of Glaire hunting for French defenders. Shocked French were flushed out with grenades and small arms, which developed into extremely bloody fighting. As the small conflict died down French with overstrained faces filed into German hands with arms over their heads while other French under a sergeant retreated south to the Frénois Line, a serried of crudely built blockhouses working themselves for the next attack.

Lieutenant Courbiere’s company quickly advanced towards his objective, Hill 247, just under two miles away but were yielded by extremely accurate artillery fire from Torcy and Les Forges. Torcy was silenced by Gross Deutschland’s 3rd Battalion while Les Forges was occupied by the 1st Regiment which had a considerably easier crossing that Gross Deutschland.

Balck’s crossing was a peaceful stroll across the river compared to that of the Gross Deutschland Regiment. The bunkers across the river had been effectively silenced by the air attack and armored units on the German side of the river. Only a few French soldiers remained and most of them had ineffective weapons and no artillery attack could be called in since the telephone wires had been consequently cut by the bombardment. Thus Balck’s crossing was virtually uncontested.
The French were incapable of contesting Balck as their guns were destroyed, somehow silenced or clogged by dust while the defenders were too stunned to give effective resistance. Crossing the Meuse silently Balck’s soldiers leaped onto land and charged the French bunkers with grenades, small arms, flamethrowers and powder charges. Although a French sergeant had viewed the entire crossing his machine gun was jammed and communication lines had been severed by the bombardment eliminating the possibility of artillery to rain death upon Balck, a serious deficiency which had saved Guderian from total destruction. After eliminating the first line of bunkers Balck immediately began to march towards the village of Frénois and the second line of bunkers.

On German appearance most of the Frénois Line was evacuated and the Germans found supplies, ranging from food to soda pop, which was greedily taken by the German soldiers. But west of Frénois, at Château de Bellevue spectacular French resistance held up the German attack. Led by a Lieutenant Verron two blockhouses blocked the main route south towards Bellevue. Verron, although lacking in infantry support as well as communications with each other, was able to hold the German advance for hours. At 6:00 P.M. several Stukas made a run at Verron’s bunker and blockhouse 103, which Verron occupied, was hit directly, mostly without effect. But then a grenade destroyed the air vent and the blockhouse was forced to surrender after heavy hand to hand fighting. An hour later blockhouse 104, the second obstacle, also fell to the Germans after using up 10,000 cartridges of ammunition and suffering 50% casualties.
Not willing to let such easy territory to be re-occupied by French Balck pushed his weary regiment further and further until capturing Chéréry and the area near the St. Quentin farm, a mile and a half north of Bulson, creating an exposed neck that the French half heartedly attempted to cut off.
The 10th Panzer Division only managed to cross the Meuse at 7:30 P.M. and at that, only a few soldiers truly made it across. French bunkers were left mostly in tact and managed to concentrate unusual accuracy on German rafts attempting to cross the river, destroying 48 rafts out of 50 trying to make it to the other side. Luckily for the Germans two rafts did make it under the leadership of Sergeant Rubarth.

On the rafts Rubarth and his men were able to cross the 60 yards of river past whizzing bullets and crashing rounds. The two rafts began to sink into the river, burdened with the heavy weight of the soldier’s tools. With a quick sigh Rubarth said, “No digging for us, either we get through, or that’s the end,” telling his comrades to throw over digging and entrenching tools. The sergeant ordered his machine gunners to fire into the bunkers’ slits and his soldiers did as ordered, placing the machinegun on the shoulders of their comrades to provide a stable base. As the rafts neared the western banks the soldiers quickly set foot on land and continued to silence the bunkers. Hand to hand fighting was common as was the sound of grenades as Germans pumped the French out of the steadily weakened bunkers. From the opposite bank they could here “the sound of loud cheers from our comrades.” But for Rubarth and his men it wasn’t the end, for they continued into a swamp covering their thighs and moved to knock out another two bunkers, opening a gap in the primary French line. As more and more German troops made their way to Rubarth he was able to lead an attack into the second line and open yet another gap, while at the same time beating off French counter attacks. This outstanding action earned Rubarth the Iron Cross and a promotion to lieutenant.

The infantry of the panzer division were advancing up the east of the Marfeé Woods by midnight spending the night knocking out machinegun nests and artillery batteries around their positions. Finally with a last exhaustion the German infantry made an effort to capture Thélonne which was met with feeble resistance, using grenades to flush the French out. Although this “last effort” cost the Germans maybe up to 50% casualties it never allowed the French the chance to counter attack. This would remain the difference between the quality of the French and the quality of the Germans for the entire war; the Germans were always ready to sacrifice for complete victory.

The last division to cross was the 2nd Panzer Division, which was only able to cross after artillery systematically destroyed the defending bunkers. The division’s reconnaissance and motorcycle battalion had been the only elements able even get close to the river and even theses were stopped cold in front of the village of Donchéry by French fire from Bellevue, Glaire and Villette. To combat this lull the Germans brought up a group of Panzers to put some pressure on the French defenses and to allow a German breakthrough. It was effective and after intense fighting the Germans were able to capture a railway embankment but French flanking fire still poured into the German positions. Frantic effort to shut down the French barrage failed when the summer sun made it almost impossible to accurately hit the French artillery emplacements. On by 10:00 P.M. was the 2nd Panzer Division able to make a small grasp across the river.

That May 14th General Lafontaine seemed happy. But he had received false information on the German advances. Instead he had been told that the front was near stability and the Germans had either been fought to a standstill or repelled. He had believed that his 55th Division, originally thought ill prepared for this war, had checked the advance of the invading swine, far from the truth. His smug look was erased, however, when a wave of soldiers, terrified, swept upon the road in trucks or on foot. To Lafontaine it became quite clear that most of his 55th Division was on the run. The results were deadly, for this unforeseen route would leave the German’s route of advance unimpeded. He hysterically looked over his reports; he had made contact again with Corap’s 53rd Infantry Division and Frénois was still no entirely in German hands.

With his officers Lafontaine ran to block the rampage of French men but the soldiers purely bypassed them and the flight continued until the soldiers reached Reims, a full 60 miles away. It was quite a catastrophic loss and it resulted into the ultimate defeat of the French at Sedan.

Gamelin finally received a report from Sedan at 9:25 P.M. on May 13 where Huntziger alleged that only a “small slice has been bitten off south of Sedan,” which was quite misleading since the Marfeé woods were as good as taken and the 55th was no longer available for resistance.

At the Meuse French artillery batteries started to empty its barrels, firing at the 16 ton bridge which was being built across from Gaulier. Fortunately, although the German engineers had only brought 70 meters of bridging material for that section, they had found a region just under 70 meters of length and had the French destroyed part of the bridge the Meuse would have been left without a bridge for days. The bridge was opened at 2:00 A.M. May 14.

Upstream the 2nd Panzer Division engineers worked hard to build a bridge near Donchéry but it was delayed by fairly accurate French artillery, opening at 4:00 A.M. May 14, well after the first rafts had entered the water. Still, Guderian was quite pleased that at least some panzers were crossing the Meuse, and even telegrammed General Busch of the 16th Army about the success. Busch, who had once bet a bottle of champagne that Guderian would not be able to cross until after the 5th day, rapidly replied with gratefulness, and with a bottle of champagne.

At the same time, while Busch and Guderian were celebrating, divisional German generals were worriedly concentrating anti aircraft guns around the extremely unprotected bridges. Nehring, Guderian’s Chief of Staff, recognized the weakness of the bridges’ defenses and its vitality to the operations around Sedan, not only as a crossing for tanks, but as a supplying vein to forces on the other side of the river.
General Billotte, also saw the grave importance of the bridges, and on May 13 he attempted to make sure that the Gaulier Bridge was destroyed. Billotte explained that the Sedan bridges must be destroyed, “as soon as possible,” and then implied his desperate measures by saying, “Victory or defeat hangs on those bridges.”
On May 14 170 French and RAF bombers sped towards the bridges towards the Sedan valley. Around the Gaulier Bridge some 200 anti aircraft guns waited for them. The attack was unsuccessful with German AA guns bringing down 50 of 170 bombers. More importantly, the bridge was yet intact. In one of those ironical moments of war, Guderian and Rundstedt approached each other on the bridge having a dry conversation, while in the center of the bombardment.
Rundstedt, looking nervously around at the bombers attempting their suicidal task of taking out the bridges asked, “Is it always like this here?”
Of course, Guderian’s only reply was, “Yes, it was.”

On May 14 Lafontaine, the same man who had witnessed the rout of the 55th Infantry Division, was given command of the 7th and 4th Tank Battalions, supplemented by the 213th and 205th Infantry Regiments. General Gransard ordered an immediate counter attack on German positions on the Meuse towards Bulson and then head on to the Meuse. Gransard structured the attack to take place at 3:00 P.M. May 13 although certain “developments” would force this date to an even later start time.
At Chémery General Lafontaine had retreated his staff further back after the retreat of his 55th division to an area with barely any communication systems to the point that Lafontaine did not even know which troops were going to be available for his supposed counterattack. This he attempted to change as he sent out three officers to three different locations to mark unit placements. Upon reaching to their destinations the officers found the 7th Tank Battalion completely swarmed with fleeing infantry from the 55th Division, all the while the first officer was supposed dead (or failed to return) while the third returned with the word of failure.
Lafontaine then began a journey to meet Lieutenant Colonel Pierre Labarthe, commander of the 213th Infantry Regiment, who expressed his wishes for a complete opposite change of plans. Labarthe pleaded a stop to the attack but then Gransard’s deputy chief of staff, Lieutenant Colonel Cachou arrived with urgent orders to begin the counterattack which prompted Lafontaine to cut the colonel off and go on with the attack.
At dawn May 14 Lafontaine’s long awaited counter attack began with the 213th Infantry Regiment led by the 7th tank battalion from Chémery. The 205th Infantry Regiment, spearheaded by the 4th Tank Battalion, rolled out towards Bulson from Maisoncelle. German intelligence, from reconnaissance units, had warned Guderian of French columns moving towards the German pocket and the Panzer Leader hurriedly ordered all of his anti tank and tank units to reinforce his lines at Bulson. The tanks arrived just in time, right before Balck’s men were to meet the attack head on.
10 French tanks, grouped tightly together were badly mauled by quick action Panzer commanders who managed to knock out 7 tanks while the other 3 were pulled out yet abandoned moments after. By 9:00 A.M., 2 hours after the start, the attack for the 4th Tank Battalion had ended, which virtually meant the end for the 205th Infantry Division. The 4th, without proper coordination with the 7th tank battalion, lost over ¾ of its armor.
The 7th Tank Battalion, along with the 213th Infantry Battalion, also met similar results. German anti-tank companies kept up a steady rate of fire, even as their 37mm rounds simply “bounced” off the French armor. Some French tanks came in at 200 yards before being knocked out. Another group of tanks arrived from the south but to no vain as the 2nd Panzer Regiment arrived to aid its anti-tank comrades.
The 2nd Panzer Regiment quickly took advantage of French disorder and drove in Chémery hitting tense resistance but nonetheless the village was cleared by 11:00 A.M. This timely arrival of the German armor had most probably saved the Germans from losing its territory across the Meuse and had the French attacked earlier Balck and the Gross Deutschland Regiment would have been most likely overrun.

At 6:30 the commander of the 71st Infantry Division, General Baudet, received a telephone call telling him to form a defensive loops around Bulson in order to halt a German piercing in the area but 10 minutes later he was informed that Bulson was already in German hands and that Lafontaine, the general who had lost control of the 55th Division, had evacuated his headquarters. Thus Baudet also decided to move his command post as well, 7 miles further to the back.
This had disastrous consequences which then turned into the full rout of the 71st Infantry Division. Cries of, “German tanks are in Bulson,” and reasoning such as, “We want to go home, back to our little jobs,” plagued the ranks of the division. By May 15 little remained of the 71st Infantry Division and most of the divisional artillery was in repair ships leaving only the 3rd North African Division intact.
The 3rd North African was part of Gransard’s 18th Corps but Huntziger decided to move the division under the command of General Flavigny, general of the 21st Corps. Flavigny was to lead yet another counter attack with this new division, as well as the 3rd Armored and 3rd Motorized Divisions.
But with the entire French front almost at the point of collapse Guderian decided that it was time to take a final step of destroying the contact between Huntziger’s 2nd Army and Corap’s 9th Army by throwing his entire korps towards the town of Rethel, southwest of Sedan on the Aisne River.
This strategy was at first contested by his weak southern flank which would be extremely prone to a French counter attack, which Guderian knew. Thus Hurrying Heinz placed the 10th Panzer Division to hold the south while the rest of the tanks advanced towards Rethel. When Kleist received this information his first act was to order a halt of the korps which Guderian read with complete disgust. A heated argument ended up in Kleist giving Guderian 24 hours more before the final halt.

Meanwhile at French lines Flavigny had spread his 3rd Armored Division along the front leaving his tanks helpless against massed panzer attacks. Not only this but when it came time for the final counter attack the 3rd Armored couldn’t regroup rapid enough thus burning the chance of a well coordinated offensive towards Sedan and the Meuse.
Receiving hot pressure from higher positions Flavigny strived to get the 3rd Armored out towards the French but the division was already fighting for dominance of Stonne, a key town in the Sedan defense. Although only certain elements of the armor were there the 3rd Motorized Division, already assembled, preformed in an almost perfect defense although it ultimately lost the village to the German armored superiority.
Thus with this the counter attack was dead in the water, forcing Huntziger to leave the sector towards Verdun, over 40 miles from Sedan. The lack of a concerted attack left a massive gap in the French lines allowing Guderian to take those 24 hours granted to him by Kleist to destroy Corap’s Right Wing and therefore closing the Sedan battle and opening the beginning of the end for France’s western line of defense.
All over the world the news of the breakthrough rung vividly in the ears of hundreds of thousands of people and news casts and diaries reported the incident without hesitation. William L. Shirer, in his journal The Berlin Diary, described the news:

Very long, stunned faces among the foreign correspondents and diplomats today. The High Command claims to have broken through the Maginot Line near Sedan and that German forces have crossed the Meuse River both at Sedan… To anyone who has seen that deep, heavily wooded Meuse Valley, it seems almost incredible that the Germans could get across it so quickly, provided there is any army at all defending the western bank.

What had gone wrong? The French had massive artillery superiority, and massive amounts of infantry, and unlike other armies further north an armored division as well as two smaller armored elements.
But the French were diseased with poor leadership that caused the collapse of both the 71st and 55th Infantry Divisions. Not only that, but high command, starting with Gamelin and all the way down to Billotte, did not recognize the importance of the events taking place around the epic city of Sedan. Thus when it came time to defend the skies, or the send vital reinforcements, high command was reluctant to do so allowing the Germans to bomb and destroy, uncontested by the French Air Force. This latter fact was the reason for such a break of moral in the most important hours of fighting, when the German infantry regiments were actually crossing the river Meuse.
Later, French lack of coordination in any type of counter attack at any right time resulted in the freedom of movement granted to the Germans and hence their ability to move at their pleasure and attack when the iron was hot. Had the French counter attacked against Balck before the 2nd Panzer Regiment had crossed Balck would have been most likely overrun and the entire German offensive put in jeopardy.
These simple mistakes would be committed by the French for the remainder of their war and June Dunkirk was surrounded and only days away from destruction. The French campaign would be an example of French folly during the war but it would also hold testimony to the greatest acts of mankind not ending or beginning with Dunkirk. And although France would be lost in a matter of weeks, as British Prime Minster Winston Churchill said, “…we shall defend… whatever the cost may be…will carry on the struggle…”

Nice article mate, very nice. I like to see my Guderian in a good light. :D And I think the meeting between him and Rundstedt is quite hillarious. Sad they didn't take yours.

Madnestan, don't worry about it being a lost hope or anything. At least several divisions escaped from the end. Although the government of Hungary at the time did intern several of them, so only a small percentage got away to England...

You're partly right. Event though I haven't heard the Hungarians arresting many of the Poles, as they came in unarmed and without posessing a threat of any kind. Have to check that out from somewhere.

About getting to England you're sadly quite right, the French used them in immoral, cowardish and very dishonorable way by putting them always to the hardest place, even forming separate "AT-brigades" solely of Poles. They did well but the losses were high, and most were captured when France surrendered.

Yo, Maccabees, I'll be creating a new thread for us (Molotov-Ribbentrop) to speak in, so its all formal and we can really get details down. Coincidentally, this sort of coincides with this: German-Soviet Commercial Agreemnet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German-Soviet_Commercial_Agreement).

hehehe

Sure for both of you, assuming Thrashia allows you both in the RP.

Takes the weight of my hands, thats for certain.


Which one will I get then?

Choose.

Bump!

wow. did this thing slow down or what?

wow. did this thing slow down or what?
No Shit.

Everyone at least sign in (meaning post "yea I'm here") or else I'll start erasing names for more active rp'ers. You'll remember I said that you can make other posts not concerning the Polish invasion, so go make some threads.

Bump.

Thought it died. These kinda RP's always have a short life span.

WAIT. i posted in the polish thing. that isnt our main thread? are we supposed to have different threads for different spheres?

It's not like any of us have enough to do to validate starting a new thread.

Hello, are there any other nations availible? Ive never RPd before, but i have extensive knowledge in the field of military history and tactics and would love to contribute to this fine story. I've read through and have really enjoyed this thread!

if not i'll continue to just read along then. :)

if you would like my entry into the RP, i'll take over Finland or Yugoslavia...whatever works for you all :)

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Lol im still here. These things are usually hyped over for a few days, then after about a week or two everyone kinda forgets about them. *shrugs*:p

Can Hong Kong join please?

this is bs! why even waste time joining,planning, and making it. Its sad.

I am discontinuing this thread and rp for the time being. I have not the time, nor at this point the drive, to continue this rp. I apoligize and thank those who took part.

I am discontinuing this thread and rp for the time being. I have not the time, nor at this point the drive, to continue this rp. I apoligize and thank those who took part.

Ah well... Twas fun. I was waiting for Japan to make a move. Unless I missed something. That's entirely possible.