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Today over 5 million nations have been asked to allow Esoteric Churches on thier lands. The Esoteric Church of Dagon, as it is called, worships sea dieties and the like. Head Preist (http://www.foxnews.com/images/41139/7_22_200x300_geraldorivera.jpg) Juan Vazquez asks that each nation put religious tolerance into practice, and allow the churches to open.
"We're not asking much, just the right to be recognized around the world and be allowed to build places of worship for our followers." When asked why a church worshipping sea gods would petition land locked nations. Vazquez put it this way. "It's not about the ocean, it's about the nation. The quest for balance has a purpose for all peoples, not just those with a beach."

OOC: How will your nation respond?

As leader of Eonopolis, I laugh in the face of your religion.

Why have religion when you can worship a living God like myself? That is the question!

Long live Eonopolis! Down with Religion!

Sincerely,
The Dear Eternal Leader of the Great Lands of Eonopolis General Dante Spano

OOC-May I get more info on this thread if available?

OOC: Sure. this thread is simply the attempt of the Esoteric Church of Dagon to be allowed to set up churches in other countries, nothing more and nothing less.

OOC: Sure. this thread is simply the attempt of the Esoteric Church of Dagon to be allowed to set up churches in other countries, nothing more and nothing less.

OOC-Thanks for the info. I will think about participating.

As proof that the Esoteric Church of Dagon is serious, they have supplied a photo of an already built church.
http://www.visualart.ro/galleries/dark_temple/dark_temple1.jpg
The Head Preist stated that "we want to show that we're not going to 'shake up' anything."

Our nation is not a religious one, however we do not laugh in your face. We are tolerant of your religious beliefs unlike some have and certainly will not be. We wish you luck in finding homes for your churches, but ask you kindly not to come knocking here.

Many thanks and good luck,

King William of Deltara

"Deltara has denied our claims..."
"Hmm....send over 500 cultists. Materials for a sewer shrine will be shipped withen the week."
"Yes High Priest."
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The Esoteric Church of Dagon accepts your choice, but asks that you please reconsider.

"They're asking permission? Nice of them. What do you think, Jarog?"

"Assuming you read the dossier I presented you, I think it would be advantageous to our reputation to open up to them. They may be..."

"Worshippers of fish?"

"... I was going to say 'highly unorthodox', but yes. While their religion is strange, you yourself have said that it's best to expose people to the strange or even threatening. Build a cultural immune system, and the like."

"Right, yes. Just, one thing?"

"Yes, your Grace?"

"What's their position on seafood?"

"... shut up, your Grace."

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{Cauthaqua - 5:11 P.M.}

The Grand Duchy of Gwazzaria has made an official statement opening its doors to the Esoteric Church of Dagon. While it will be near impossible to find enough open land to build temples within our cities, there are some relatively uninhabited coastal areas open. Further, it would be entirely acceptable to the authorities of our docks if warehouses were occasionally used for religious services.

The Esoteric Church of Dagon thanks Gwazzaria and construction is to begin ASAP. Uninhabitated coastal areas are perfect, and the use of docks is even better. A million thanks unto you.
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"The nation of Gwazzaria has allowed us entry. We're free to use the docks and even build in uninhabitated coastal ares...perfect."
"Shall I send the ships?"
"Yes. I want 3 temples to be finished withen the week. 3 million dubloons will be spent to feed the poor or some such thing, just to cement our position."
"Yes High Priest."

To: Esoteric Church of Dagon
From: The Grand Imperial Hegmonic Regency of Foreign Affairs

The Grand Hegemonic Empire of Hansia would like to send a formal reply to rather polite message asking for permission. The Hegemonic Emperor Victor Sarano III has recently made an official decree that the only church permitted on the continent of Hansia be that of the Great Protector. The Grand Hegemonic Empire of Hansia sends it's most humble and sincere apologizes. The Empire would however allow you to set up churches on the Islands near the continent. We left a loophole to the decree just in case something like this might happen.

Sincerely,
Regent of Foreign Affair: Baron Renaldo Chomro II

Should you wish, it is acceptable to build a place of worship for your church, provided you buy, or rent, the land, pay the taxes, and deal with zoning issues. We must also caution you against general proselytization as there are rather stringent rules concerning it.

Roman Greece will allow the Esoteric Church in the nation. We will arrange some terms soon.

President Darius A. Shulze responds,

We will openly and excitedly open our lands to the Esoteric Church of Dagon. As we are a nation of religious tolerance we feel it is a must to persue this and spread the word.

To Hansia, Theao, Roman Greece, and Maraque we extend our thanks! We buy the land if need be, and will set up at any coastal areas we can. We thank you once again!
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"More nations are permitting us."
"Good. Same story, temples withen the week. Export cultists if need be." The High Preist paused. "Also...throw in some 'extra packages' if you will...to better serve Dagon of course."
"Of course, High Priest..."

We regret to inform you that there is no costal area, in point of fact a great deal of land is the quite none costal in form. Also, any priests or other religious workers will have to apply for a visa which are given out in very limited numbers. We apologise for any problems.

We have hundreds of thousands of coast you can purchase from $125,000 to $15,000,000. It depends on how much land you want.

To Maraque: 50 acres will be enough.
To Theao: Any heavily uninhabitated area will do, though we would prefer something by water. A lake? A river? We shall apply for 5 visas quickly.
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"Visas? HA! Smuggle them in on submarines!"
"Yes High Priest."

To: Esoteric Church of Dagon
From: The Grand Imperial Hegmonic Regency of Foreign Affairs


The Grand Hegemonic Empire of Hansia would like to inform the church that buying land is not possible within the Hegemonic Empire. The Islands are fiefdoms given to various lords. You would have to pay a monthly tax to one of the local lords in order to create your church and have it be perfectly legal within the Hegemonic Empire. The Hegemonic Empire would like to apologize for any inconvenience this may cause the Esoteric Church of Dagon



Sincerely,
Regent of Foreign Affair: Baron Renaldo Chomro II

Unfortunately there is little unowned land that fits the context you requested, and of the available land, none is zoned for religious buildings.
Also, as we stated, visas of the kind necessary are very limited which means that of the applied for numbers, only two are possible to aquire, and said religious personnel must pass the screening proceedure.

ooc: Submarines + No Coast = Problems
Also, of a 2+ Billion pop, you'd find maybe(at the most) 5,000 interested in your church.

To Hansia: Understood. We will pay the money as long as the lord leaves us be.


To Theao: Then we shall settle for 2 visas, and a small recurting house somewhere in the woods. Does this fit you zoning?

We will only allow this church to be build if the only sea God allowed worship is Poseidon and his assorted sea children.

Basically, we will permit a church to be build, but only Poseidon and his children may be worshiped in them.

We await your reply. Good day. May Poseidon keep you.

-Javier Loud, Secretary of Culture & Society-

50 acres will cost you approximately §500,000. The taxes on these lands will be §8,750 yearly, which can be paid in quarterly payments.

Roman Greece will give you some land, perhaps in one of the many islands in the Mediterrean Sea or near Greece. We will find one for you.

That is acceptable, and we wish you the best of luck in any attempts at proselytization, provided you do it within the bounds of the law, as you'll need it.

To: Esoteric Church of Dagon
From: The Grand Imperial Hegmonic Regency of Foreign Affairs

The various lords only institute the tax because the Imperial Hegemonic Emperor taxes them in turn. They have a right to tax any public and private facility within their territories. They will leave you be provided. You pay the monthly tax of 150 Golden Sovereigns at the end of each month.


Sincerely,
Regent of Foreign Affair: Baron Renaldo Chomro II

To Itinerate Tree Dweller we say this, Dagon is no posidon. We are not willing to change our religious structure to simply have a church!

To Roman Greece: We would prefer a small island, perhaps near a fishing village.

To Maraque: Confirmed. Money is en route with the construction crew.

To Hansia: We will pay the money, as long as we have a nice little area for our worship. Some information on what lord we would be paying would be appreciated.

To Theao: Understood.

To Itinerate Tree Dweller we say this, Dagon is no posidon. We are not willing to change our religious structure to simply have a church!

To Roman Greece: We would prefer a small island, perhaps near a fishing village.

To Maraque: Confirmed. Money is en route with the construction crew.

To Hansia: We will pay the money, as long as we have a nice little area for our worship. Some information on what lord we would be paying would be appreciated.

To Theao: Understood.

IC- Roman Greece will find you the land you require. We will update you when we find one.

Understood

Hello,
Horde of Doom we have a 500 square kilometer island available in the Pacific. It is called the Isle of Beertopia. Previously it hosted an Ecological Theme Park. We are willing to part with it cheaply, only $50 million dollars. Unfortunately, as it has been recently firebombed and has huge crater impacts on it from orbital strikes, the terrain may be a little rough. There may also be remnants of the VODAIS plague there as well. We are not sure. The island is quarantined right now, but we will let you go there. However, whoever goes there will not be let out.

Regards,

Strategos Sharp

We would be willing to purchase the land, provided that if we clean it up, people from your nation be allowed to come to it to worship. Does this sound good?

Your continued futile attempts to spread your cultists ideas down the throat of Eonopolis, will get you in trouble soon if you continue with this stupidity.

Long live Eonopolis!

Sincerely,
The Dear Eternal General Dante Spano

To: Esoteric Church of Dagon
From: The Grand Imperial Hegmonic Regency of Foreign Affairs

The Island of Zathander would be your best bet for the cheapest price, The people there are mostly fishermen and sailors that are currently down on their luck at catching their usual fishing haul. The place is almost poverty stricken and the current lord Baron Charles Motely is trying to attract any form of quick income for a tax relief in the coming month.


Sincerely,
Regent of Foreign Affair: Baron Renaldo Chomro II

Animarnia is very secular with religion, as long as your comply with all laws and pay taxes like all other religious organisations in our country, you will be allowed in, 50 Aches of land will cost $15,000 initial purchase and $7,500 per year in rent. However Animarnia will provide labour to help build your church. It should be noted that paganism is our primary religion though, so it is unclear how many people will be willing to worship in your church.

To: The Grand Imperial Hegmonic Regency of Foreign Affairs

This area shall be perfect. Construction crews with the purchasing money are en route. We thank you for your tolernace, unlike some nations. We hope you will not have any problems if 3 preists are sent as well. We assure you they will be documented in whatever immigration branch you have.

OOC: Hey Eonopolis, respond to the proper thread.

Animarnia, we thank you for this offer, and will accept it. We would prefer to use our own labor. Paganism is find, for we worship multiple Gods. An area near water is preferred.

Official Message from Red Tide to Esoteric Churches
"Given our rather 'hands-off' approach to religious manners, we will give you the usual speel.

Provided you purchase the property, you will be allowed to set up a place of worship. Provided you pay the taxes, submit to Red Tide Laws, and do not, in anyway, denounce, insult, attempt to riot*, attempt to overthrow, or threaten the Red Tidean Goverment, you will be allowed to stay. Failing to meet the taxes thing will result in the place of worship being seized, demolished, and the land sold. Failure to follow the obey laws or do-not-threaten-the-goverment condition may or may not result in consequences that wholly depend on the seriousness of the embreachment and whether the group is a dissident faction of your religion or not.

That is all."
End Message

To: Esoteric Church of Dagon
From: The Grand Imperial Hegmonic Regency of Foreign Affairs

The Grand Hegemonic Empire of Hansia has no problem with allowing three foreign priests to immigrate to Zathander. We just request that a small immigration tax be paid for each of them. This is standard policy for all those that enter into the Grand Hegemonic Empire.


Sincerely,
Regent of Foreign Affair: Baron Renaldo Chomro II

Official Dominion Governmental Statement

The Church of Esoteric Doom will be allowed to construct religious worshipping areas in the Dominion, but will be restricted to 5 churches maximum for initial establishment. If the process goes well, then the Dominion will allow for more churches to be constructed. Also, no church shall be contructed in a city with a population greater than 2 million.

Although we believe in religious tolerance, it is not standard practice for Greater Sofiastan to officially recognize those religions that are not a part of our traditional culture. You are of course allowed to build your Esoteric Churches and worship your deities on our lands; however, you will not simply be given land by the government - you must buy it yourself, as many other unofficial religious organizations do, and pay taxes on the property, just like everyone else. Additionally, your lands in this great nation will still be subject to the full authority of myself and my government, and you will adhere to the laws and regulations of this state, no exceptions. If these terms are acceptable to you, you are perfectly welcome to come to Greater Sofiastan.

Most humbly,
Ivan Stoyanov
Benevolent Messiah of the Greater Sofianistanian Dominion

To Red Tide2: We will observe all laws and pay for the land. 20 acres of coastal or island territory would be preferred, however any area with a water feature would do nicely.

To The Grand Imperial Hegmonic Regency of Foreign Affairs: The taxes will be paid. The preists are en route.

To Amazonian Beasts: We thank you, and we will pay(of course). If these locations could be located on an island or near the coast we would be most thankful. However any area with a water feature will do.

Animarnia, we thank you for this offer, and will accept it. We would prefer to use our own labor. Paganism is find, for we worship multiple Gods. An area near water is preferred.

We Recomend a combined Labour force, as it is also provides Jobs for Animarnia citizens in Animarnia during construction; as for your request of land near water, this is fine as Animarnia has a southen coast line, as well as the Trowa Islands and Elena island off the coast. we also note that any workers or priests you bring in will have to submit to the imegration process if they intend to stay in our country.

We can supply you with four locations on the Central Bay, and one on the island of Thitia.
Payment is not needed for religious freedom. We simply ask that your religious practices stay stable and peaceful.

To: Animarnia
That is understandable. A combined workforce will be used. The areas you provided are perfect and the preists will be documented.

To Amazonian Beasts: The locations are perfect. We thank you for not making us pay.

*Bump*

I, High Ruler Enekwad, welcome The Church of Esoteric doom to our nation on behalf of the people of Goostopia. You may set up temples along our coastline wherever you will - as long as you buy the land, like any other group or business , and you do not spoil the scenery.

The Esoteric Church of Dagon thanks you, and we plan on purchasing 7 locations on your coastline(if this is alright). We will pay whatever we need to, and ask that we be allowed to construct them mostly by ourselves. Money will be en route with the construction crew.

Feel free to buy the island for $50 million dollars. We lost 190,000 soldiers trying to retake it before the bombardment. It will be a nice challenge for you to reclaim it.

MESSAGE
TO: The Horde of Doom
FROM: President Darius Shulze

I forgot to inform you that your institutions are subject to local tax of §11,800 per institution per year. Sorry if this is a problem. How many institutions will be build along the coast?

Emperor Reginald regretfully informs you that you will not be able to construct any of your religious buildings in the Scandinvan Empire because there are not enough people who practice your religion in our empire and thus you will not be able to gain a permit to build any buildings. As well the empire does not permit any foreign government controlled religions to be established in our country, unless if it is allowed by the emperor to become established in the empire and since the emperor currently doesn’t currently approve of your religion we are afraid that you cannot establish yourselves in his majesty’s empire.

Signed,
Imperial Steward Beiner of the House of Beigarth

TO: The Head Priest of the Esoteric Church.
FROM: The Office of Holy Roman Imperial Foreign Affairs.

I, the Holy Roman Emperor of Urcea, have decreed the Catholic Monastica Tutaminis, banning the Estoric Church from Urcea.

BUT, I, the Holy Roman Emperor, have decreed that any of three minor colonies (cities of Moscow, Athens, or Alexandria) will be turned over to the Esoteric Church on request.

Signed,
The Holy Roman Emperor,
Julius Nero

you may put them on my fring ranges!
mu-hahahahhahahahahahahahahahaaha!

The city of Athens will do nicely.

Pythogria may allow you into our nation, but we must ask if your religion condones the destruction of other people or their property, or if it requires human or animal sacrifice. It must also not allow predjudice and encourage peace.

If it allows sacrifice or extremist stuff, STAY THE HECK OUT!

If it doesn't and is peaceful, come right in.

OOC: And no sewer shrines. My sewers... well, they're kind of big, but they're usually full. Thus, you'd need to wear scuba suits to worship anything. Oh, and the currents are really strong. You'd get killed in the treatment plant. Not to mention... how will you get in anyway? It's closed off.

occ just kidding with that last post.

yes,you may have chapels in our many prisons.... i meant to say refuge centers .that are full of toophian pris... i mean refuges that were captured in the toops-1010102 War. you should send as many people as possible before it is blown up..... i meant to say before they are returned safely to toops.

TO:The Esoteric Church of Dagon
FROM:The United Socialist States of Mirhuell
MESSAGE:We, The United Socialist States of Mirhuell, will allow building plans for your churches, as long as you pay for the land, pay taxes, and allow Regular Military Inspections, We also assure you that those conditions are the same for any foreign religion.

About the land, we have a few acres of land by the northen coast line, that are for sale, the price ranges from 20,000$ to 50,000$. Taxes are of 4,500$ bi-monthly. Military Inspections will be conducted tri-monthly, any damages to property should be reported to the foreign ministery, so that we may conduct a refund process.

Should any of these rules be broken, your religion is Banned, your lands and churches seized, and all goods within them nationalized.

Secret IC:


You will stay out of Zackaroth. You and your feeble cult will not set foot in ZAckaroth. The country is not big enough for two cults. We have eyes everywhere. If we see so much as a page from your holy book you will be...unwillingly joining our cult.


Michael von Strangaild. Former Leader of Zackaroth.

OOC: That was me. combine of Xen is my puppet.

OOC: Um, rather then make a huge post I accept everyone who dais yes's deal.

As pertains to some facts about the worship of Dagon, we of the White-Robed Monks cannot permit the building of Dagonistic Temples on our sacred land.

The cult of Dagon was imported to Sumeria and Phoenicia about 2,000 BC. The cult was also predominant in Akkadia, and was the national god of the Philistines. In Caanan, it was the Amorites god of choice.

Dagon has been assigned the role of god of agriculture, and thus is associated with the goddess Astarte, from whom some cultures derive the name Easter.

Because this "god" was created in man's image, it cannot be construed as true religion, and therefore has no place in TWRM.

Abbot Merton

The city of Athens will do nicely.

FROM: Holy Roman Emperor Julius

Yes, the city of Athens has been turned over to Esoteric control, and our men have been pulled out.