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In an attempt to create greater effencency for it's navy, the hyst's national atomic delegation for inovation (NADI) has made a breakthrough in the use of Sodium Reactors.

Though the standard VHTR pebblebed reactors utalized in most naval vessels in the Hyst Navy are quite efficient, the design concept was to expand on the rearch into LMFBR and SFR reactor designs. After has produced a reactor that has the potential to never needing to be refueled.

A standard water-cooled nuclear reactor has some of the Fast nurons produced in the fission reaction is absorbed into the water and becomes unusuable for further use in additional reactions. By the use of metals instead of the polar water(like lead, murcuary, and sodium), and by placing a non-fissable U-238 rod at the center, most-all of these fast-nurons are captured and by are converted back into fissionable materials. This SFR reactor technology can mean energy without needing replacement fuel

One of the main problem of making this design peasable is that it requires the sodium to be cooled without intoducing any foreign materials into this closed system (this is most likely to occur at the seals). If this does occur, the liquid sodium will "gum" up, causing potential for meltdown. In order to avoid this problem, new cearamic sealing materials were developed, that bond seamlessly to the cooling pipe and are exepected to last for over 14 months even under extreme pressure without need for replacement.

Through exaustive and the investement of nearly all the budget for new aquisitions for the Navy, a sucessiful design with compribable power output to pebblebed reactors has been produced. Currently the only vessel equiped with this new reactor is the Gavin Newsom-Class vessel "Apollo", where all 12 of its pebblebed reactors have been replaced with the Sodium IFR reactor. Currently it has been on a constant deployment on meneuvers and tests 100 knots off uor coast for the past 6 months. Currently only .32%±.1% of the fuel has been depleated. This can be attributed to a minor missalignment of one of the fuel rods that had to be replaced, intorducing experemental error into the experement. Otherwise this test has surpassed all the exepectations of the Navy when they tasked NADI to undertake the job. After an additional 6 months of testing and upgraded, it is exepected to have a full Navy-wide replacement within 2 years.

OOC: comments?

OOC : Is this new technology FT or MT or what ? If its FT , we are willing to invest in this technology (up to 2 Trillion Credits) to perfect this technology and then share it within our nations .

OOC: no, this is MT. It is an amazing new technoligy that is only recently finishing initial stages in RL and here I have taken it one step further. But if it exists in MT, it would definately exist in FT

OOC: no, this is MT. It is an amazing new technoligy that is only recently finishing initial stages in RL and here I have taken it one step further. But if it exists in MT, it would definately exist in FT

No doubt it will . It can definately be modified for use in FT . So we are still interested in investing in this tech . So do we have a deal ?

OOC: I'm a MT nation, so unless you have time travel technology, it will be kind of hard.

PS it does exist,look (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMFBR)

We hope that we can time-travel back to MT and then work together on this project . If we can clear up any difficulties or obstacles , are you willing to work on this project with us ?

interesting indeed..our MT branch is quite interested in investing in this technology to help perfect it. in echange of course we would like rights to fit our ships (and any future designs) with said reactors once perfected.

*cough godmoding cough*

OOC: I'm a MT nation, so unless you have time travel technology, it will be kind of hard.

PS it does exist,look (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMFBR)

Geneticon is interested in investing in this tech... what do you offer?

OOC: no, this is MT. It is an amazing new technoligy that is only recently finishing initial stages in RL and here I have taken it one step further. But if it exists in MT, it would definately exist in FT
Therefore, a fully functional stable version, let alone miniaturize it enough to fit in ships, would only be available in a PMT timeframe.

OOC: Or Late MT Wingarde, the final stages of it that is. :p

*cough godmoding cough*

Oh, be quiet Seph. It's a perfectly feasible technology that exists in real life and has been taken one step further - like most technology used in NationStates.

OOC: Or Late MT Wingarde, the final stages of it that is. :p
Again your "Late MT"... Geez. There's no such thing as Late MT: either it's MT or it isn't. There's no Early MT, Reasonably MT, A Tad Advanced MT, Almost PMT But Not Yet PMT MT, nor anything like that. If you ask me, Wingarde's MT. Full stop.

PS: I'd continue this on TG so we don't hijack this thread.

OOC: so you're PMT?

Is there still open space for investment?

Again your "Late MT"... Geez. There's no such thing as Late MT: either it's MT or it isn't. There's no Early MT, Reasonably MT, A Tad Advanced MT, Almost PMT But Not Yet PMT MT, nor anything like that. If you ask me, Wingarde's MT. Full stop.

PS: I'd continue this on TG so we don't hijack this thread.

I was told, by experienced Rpers (Red Tide2, Mckagan and Leafanistan) that Mt was anything upto 2020.

I thought it was crap, but who was I to argue?

Doesn't this kinda violate the whole conservation of energy bit? You know, no creating energy from nothing, which is essentially what you seem to be saying this does? I can see more efficient nuclear power, but infinite energy? Now that's just silly.

IC: I am interested in recieving additional funds to facilitate forther developement of this technology. Currently for the previous few years, there has no room in the Naval aquisition budget for new ships. With outside investement of monitery funds and in scientific tallent, Hyst would better be able to put greater funds into upgrading the current line of SD, HC, and the various minor surface ships. With additional testing on the Apollo contimuing sucessifully and to the exepectations of the scientists from NADI. With the current progress being made and interest of the international community wanting a piece of this new technology, it is hoped that a Navy-wide reactor conversion might be possible withing a 10-14 months.

OOC:With all the old reactors being decommissioned, Hyst will be seeking to sell it's line of pebblebed reactors. Currently there are 12 avaible for sale at 3million USD per unit and 50-70 by the end of the year. Any takers?

the law of the concervation of mass and the concervation of energy states that matter energy is never destroyed nor created, it can only be converted into another form, that is what this does. This system meerly converts everything that might be converted into fissionable material into fissionable material. Imput one atom uranium-235 and it converts it into 4 fast neurons, when these neurons are directed at a nonfissile U-238 it converts it into 4 plutonium-238 atoms. It has been estimated that a single fuel sourse can have it running life extened upwards 32 fold or beyond. No it truely is not infinate energy, but the lifespand of one rod of uranium is much much longer.

I think he's refering to the laws of thermodynamics: the fact that you can not have 100% efficency in any system. Anyhow, how may I contact you in order to begin investment into this program. I may be able to get more if my region decides to also invest.

[OOC: Fast breeders don't actually create new fuel out of nothing - the amount and quality of fuel degrades as its fed back in. It is, however, much more efficient and for all intents and purposes over a reasonable time scale (ie. anything up to 10,000 - 15,000 years) this would indeed provide limitless energy today in RL. The problem is that fast breeders are notoriously unreliable.]

That unreliability is exactly is what this project of NADI is meant to solve. I am interested in procuring a toatl of 2-3 Trillion dollars for the completion of the project within 14 months. Currently almost 1.5 trillion is invested out of the Hyst's nave aquisition budjet and considerable ammount of the national science budget. Investemtnes of money and of outside reasearchers would be helpful in the attainment of these goals.

Animarnia is willing to invest $500 Billion and techical experts in nuclear physics and technicians. man power etc to help develop this technology

(OOC: Sodium cooled reactors are not new and are certainly not a godmod. If I remember correctly, several years back there was an accident at a sodium cooled nuclear power facility - but nothing like Chernobyl or Three Mile. The only problem is that sodium burns in contact with air and explodes in contact with water. Thus, all internal mechanical lubrication of the drives moving the sodium has to be synthetic - not water.

The accident involved a leak in a valve releasing the synthetic lubricant into the sodium. It traveled and collected between the control rods - not allowing the sodium to cool the rods and thus causing a meltdown and explosion.

Sodium also doesn't remove the integrity of the uranium. This allows for the uranium to be used for much longer periods of time than with water.)

It wasnt worse then chyrnobil, but the meltdown was worse than three mile island, by almost thirty times. I wont deny that there are extreme risks in this technology, but I personally seen the benefits outweighing the risks

We once again state our previous stance and will invest in this technology heavily if it can indeed benefit us (everyone) and make our ships much more effecient and powerful . We will invest a minimum of 600 Billion and Maximum of 2 Trillion .

However we request that if this technology is indeed perfected after funding , that it be shared only by the nations that invested in it , for free . But those who did not invest need to pay a price to use this tech by aquiring it from us .

no objection to that proposal. Your submission of funds will be helpful. It is the interest of partnership that though the cooperation of NADI that you be given full results of the Apollo's testing. The only real proble with this technology is the integrity of the closed system, so far the Apollo's reactors has remeained sturctually sound. Though additional testing in an upcomming war game, will the Apollo's new reactor will prove it's woth or not

OOC: Your definition, your choice. No need to get so stressed out.

Most Respectfully adressing The Incorporated States of Hyst,

Seeing the advantages of these reactors in both war and peace, The Holy Democracy of The Norlands allocates 1,935,858,550,000 Buchs (3,000,000,000,000 Dollars) to the research of this technology, provided our government may utilize it free of charge (except for prodution and operation costs).

I would currently like to invest 120 billion, but that number should increase shortly. Also I'd like to offer any facilities, manpower, or technical advice if needed.

We have a new announcement to make . Besides willing to invest a sum of money in this . We are also willing to provide testing facilities to test the new reactor . If the tests are complete and there are no faults , we propose immediate distribution to all contributors and if there are minor/major flaws , we should fix it before distribution and possibly sale .