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OOC: Every one of you is a Godmoder. (Not Flaming)

Ramissle
19-03-2006, 06:01
Oh jeez. Here I go. I'm about to rant about something I hate about NS, which is the second biggest reason I'm getting some kid in my class to make a RTS game like it (the first is I hate writing grr!) So, if you want, you can duck and cover.
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So there I am, looking at this guys ethanol thread, being angry because he stole the idea from me by reading my thoughts, looking at the mistakes in the storefront he made and how I can improve on them (no offense, really), and as I was about to do some hardcore math to figure out how much I should sell my ethanol a barrel, I realized something. I can't make a profit off this if every single nation in NS has enough oil to last it forever and ever and ever and ever. No one but the newbies, people who are being polite, and idiots like me would ever buy it if we could just RP having everything we wanted. So this brings me to my main argument.

Resources. Theres no distribution. Its like every single nation in NS is godmoding by having everything. I always thought that one of the most interesting parts of global politics, in RL, was quibbling over resources. That is why I prefer continents like Irathria, where the amount and who gets it is controlled by the hopefully impartial person who made the map, and nations get to duke it out for better stuff, or just do some good ol' fashioned trading.

But the problem with continents like Irathria is interest. Again, no one but the newbies, people who are being polite, and idiots like me would ever join a continent like Irathria, because they don't get to have everything they want. I mean, look at other projects like this, Meta Earth, Sarnia (another creation of mine), this other one I saw this guy doing, they all have one thing in common: Lack of interest.

So I guess I'm just asking people to add another thing to their huge list of role playing courtesy, and make it interesting by not giving yourself everything you need.
Kyanges
19-03-2006, 06:03
Opinion on 21-C?
Resdyn
19-03-2006, 06:04
^^
He does have a point - someone should get Asbena in here.
Ramissle
19-03-2006, 06:05
Opinion on 21-C?
Never participated in it. Is it like AMW?
I was just speaking generally about NS, but if it applies to that too....
Taralkea
19-03-2006, 06:06
Understandable.
The Beltway
19-03-2006, 06:06
I rp as a nation that lacks some resources; however, due to free trade policies, I get my natural resources from elsewhere. Further, I've been going through a mild recession (not yet rp'd, but look to my (incomplete) nswiki (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/The_Beltway) article for details), perhaps due to a lack of oil. Irathria was a great idea; however, The Beltway is tied to a certain geographical location (the Mid-Atlantic states), and thus can't really easily project power to Irathria.
Ramissle
19-03-2006, 06:09
I rp as a nation that lacks some resources; however, due to free trade policies, I get my natural resources from elsewhere. Further, I've been going through a mild recession (not yet rp'd, but look to my (incomplete) nswiki (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/The_Beltway) article for details), perhaps due to a lack of oil. Irathria was a great idea; however, The Beltway is tied to a certain geographical location (the Mid-Atlantic states), and thus can't really easily project power to Irathria.
Score one for the resource-starved team!

Really, thats what I kinda want people to do, just RP with weaknesses like less resources. Flaws make things interesting. I mean, I can't tell you how much I would love having some third world countries on NS.
1010102
19-03-2006, 06:10
well said beltway. if there was a clapping smiling i would put it here.
Pythogria
19-03-2006, 06:12
Well, you see, I have LOTS of metals and stuff, but not very much rescources in other ways. (Enough to feed my nation, but not big huge surpluses.)
Ramissle
19-03-2006, 06:16
Well, you see, I have LOTS of metals and stuff, but not very much rescources in other ways. (Enough to feed my nation, but not big huge surpluses.)
Well, at least you got half way there.

Before any of you call me a hypocrite, I'm kind of calling myself a godmoder by making this thread, although I am working on stopping that now by taking away some of those resources.

You might say I'm in the 1st step of Resourceahaulics Anonymous. :D
Pythogria
19-03-2006, 06:17
So, would you call my rescources godmodding?
Southeastasia
19-03-2006, 06:17
I do role-play with limited resources. I simply just don't have time to make my factbook detailing who I trade with.
Xirnium
19-03-2006, 06:18
The Eternal Republic of Xirnium has insufficient sources of bauxite, antimony, arsenic, potash and gypsum for their needs, and consequently they import large quantities of them.
Ramissle
19-03-2006, 06:19
So, would you call my rescources godmodding?
Kinda.
But then again, I just said I am too. So its not like this is a one sided thing.
Czardas
19-03-2006, 06:20
Heheh.... Czardas is rich in natural resources, but as I RP as a complete anarchy, almost no-one actually comes to work to mine or otherwise extract them. :D
Ramissle
19-03-2006, 06:22
The Eternal Republic of Xirnium has insufficient sources of bauxite, antimony, arsenic, potash and gypsum for their needs, and consequently they import large quantities of them.
There you go! If I knew what half that stuff was, I might have given you a cookie!
Pythogria
19-03-2006, 06:24
Arsenic is a deadly poison.
Ramissle
19-03-2006, 06:27
Arsenic is a deadly poison.
Yes, a lack of deadly poison would DEFINATLY make a country flawed!
Pythogria
19-03-2006, 06:27
Lol.
Xirnium
19-03-2006, 06:30
Arsenic is also very important semiconductor material, used in integrated circuits as a dopant. It is therefore an important resource of Xirnium's IT industry.
Pythogria
19-03-2006, 06:31
It is? Wow. Can't know everything, I guess.
Naktan
19-03-2006, 06:31
I would imagine that silicon would make a relatively safer and more viable alternative to arsenic...
Ramissle
19-03-2006, 06:33
I'm sure it is, but lets get this thread back on topic, shall we?

But yeah, it probably is.
Xirnium
19-03-2006, 06:34
would imagine that silicon would make a relatively safer and more viable alternative to arsenic...
I believe the use of arsenic makes the circuits significantly faster, however. Of course, arsenic's use in industry is regulated by Xirniumite statute law in order to ensure safety.
Pythogria
19-03-2006, 06:37
Back on topic, now!

Also, Pythogria is rather short on concrete and sicilia.
Naktan
19-03-2006, 06:46
You wanna know what bakes my head? Everyone has a military half the size of their population, even some of the "less militaristic" nations. It's taking me forever on my economy to build and maintain a good force to DEFEND my country from them...
Ramissle
19-03-2006, 06:50
You wanna know what bakes my head? Everyone has a military half the size of their population, even some of the "less militaristic" nations. It's taking me forever on my economy to build and maintain a good force to DEFEND my country from them...
Well that would be godmoding. Figure a military size of anywhere from .05-.01% for a volunteer service, and somewhere around .5-.1% for compulsolry, with about 1 soldier for every 5-11 logistics personell. Any thing higher, really is rediculous, unless its something like every able bodied person fights, in which you would have no economy at all.
1010102
19-03-2006, 06:59
total with staff and loitcs personel it only equals 10% of my population. i am being somewhat realistic
Pythogria
19-03-2006, 07:01
10% of your population would kill your economy, 5% is a big strain. The ONLY reason I can keep my army and not go bankrupt is because of my trade routes (thanks San Haven!) and the "soldiers are secondary" policy (aka: people work ordinary jobs when not needed for security or war.)
1010102
19-03-2006, 07:04
in sparta it had most of the male population deouted to war the rest of the pop. was slaves.
Pythogria
19-03-2006, 07:04
And their economy was in shambles.
Asbena
19-03-2006, 07:05
Resdyn.. *sogh*


Well...for 21-C I have unlimited oil/gas basically if I continue my TDP plants. Other materials...nope...flawed.
Naktan
19-03-2006, 07:19
consider the United States...

a country of roughly 300mil people

The total military forces number at about 1,500,000 troops in arms...That's .5% of the population of the United States.

Granted, my military is not exactly the best example [most of them armed with swords and simple small arms and AKs - working on domestic armaments production]...with a population of 160mil, I've got a military that eats out 6% of my people [although they are strongly nationalistic and have a different set of morals - in fact, I've have to cut back on the military or else face a crisis of funding it all...]. I know that there are some people who blatantly disregard a country's potential to wage war - let alone manage and maintain a large military force...I'm not criticizing the ones that have a justifiable reason to have a large military [i.e. their economy can fit it, their people are uber-militaristic, they need to get rid of some of their people...et cetera...], but there are certainly a lot of people who don't need that excessively large of a military force...
Naktan
19-03-2006, 07:20
Resdyn.. *sogh*


Well...for 21-C I have unlimited oil/gas basically if I continue my TDP plants. Other materials...nope...flawed.

aie...they brought you here?
Naktan
19-03-2006, 07:22
And their economy was in shambles.

their time was a little different than modern times...

back then, the country with the best soldiers won out...considering the Persian Empire, which lost the Alexander's Macedonian phalanxes...Darius had the economic advantage, but he had little in the way of a military advantage against Alexander's military order and strategy [debatable...definitely, Macedonian troops were better than Persian troops].

Nowadays, your military is a dump if you have no economy...
Amestria
19-03-2006, 07:28
Amestria lacks natural gas and thus is dependent on imports. Oil is also something Amestria does not have so it is imported or ethinal is subsituted. Things are mitigated by the fact that Amestria is a society without automobiles and the State maintains steady reserves.

Also, nuclear power, as well as renewable power sources such as hydro, solar, and wind turbines are developed to the hilt.
Itinerate Tree Dweller
19-03-2006, 07:31
Actually, my nation has limited natural petroleum resources; we use a process called Thermal Depolymerization to produce our petroleum; though we don't require it as much as other industrialized nations (since we use hydrogen and geothermal energy as our primary sources).
Asbena
19-03-2006, 07:33
Resdyn flames endlessly.
Kyanges is more reserved.
Ramissile is the starter of Irathia (Asbena's home)
I have every right to be here to.
Resdyn
19-03-2006, 07:36
Flames- no
States facts - yes
Asbena
19-03-2006, 08:17
Flames- no
States facts - yes

Yes you do flame. You start problems everywhere you can. Your facts were wrong. You were not first to ask for Colombia, you are not good. I am not a noob, that fact of yours is wrong. Combined, I have more posts then you, Kyanges and New Dornelia COMBINED.
Southeastasia
19-03-2006, 08:42
Amestria, if you were to take a walk on the street to flag a taxi, would you find any automobiles at all?
Amestria
19-03-2006, 08:46
Amestria, if you were to take a walk on the street to flag a taxi, would you find any automobiles at all?

Nope, no automobiles what-so-ever (with the exception of government/emergency vehicles and public buses). You are perfectly free to use Amestria's glorious public transportation system or rent a bike.
Resdyn
19-03-2006, 08:48
A) I never said I acked for Columbia before him - I said he asked for Columbia before I asked for Peru.
B) I am not good? - And you would know about my prior RPing experiences HOW?
C) It's very easy to spam posts. You do it by hitting the "Submit Reply" button multiple times. I sincerely doubt that the number of times you hit the "Submit Reply" button determines your experience.
Southeastasia
19-03-2006, 08:50
The United Sovereign Nations of Southeast Asia, has a nice blend of both public transportation and private automobile usage, and thanks to the Fouding Administration's pro-environmental policies, pollution levels are relatively low.
Naktan
19-03-2006, 09:01
Resdyn flames endlessly.
Kyanges is more reserved.
Ramissile is the starter of Irathia (Asbena's home)
I have every right to be here to.


Yes you do flame. You start problems everywhere you can. Your facts were wrong. You were not first to ask for Colombia, you are not good. I am not a noob, that fact of yours is wrong. Combined, I have more posts then you, Kyanges and New Dornelia COMBINED.

That seems to be the very thing that you're criticizing...
Naktan
19-03-2006, 09:04
I don't know about my oil policy yet...we've been producing, but as our economy and infrastructure grows, we're going to have to import to supplant the needs...may go nuclear or ecofriendly solar/wind/hydro/thermal/whatnot...
Godular
19-03-2006, 09:22
Yes you do flame. You start problems everywhere you can. Your facts were wrong. You were not first to ask for Colombia, you are not good. I am not a noob, that fact of yours is wrong. Combined, I have more posts then you, Kyanges and New Dornelia COMBINED.

Sephrioth has twice as many posts as you.
Gradasi
19-03-2006, 10:17
MT and PMT nations should give such things such as resources more thought, given that most of those nations like to have lots of tanks, battleships, and everything that makes a modern army modern.

Battleships many times larger than the Iowa, thousands of battletanks and aircraft, I mean shit, if you're playing MT/PMT nations with lots of MT/PMT nations, you have lots of limits as it pertains to your ability to gather resources, especially since you're stuck on one planet with your growing population and finite resources. This isn't to say that FTers as myself have magic access to an infinite amount of whatever we want though, it just is less of an issue given our tech level.

Being FT, and having FTL capabilities, and all the cool sci-fi junk, and access to an infinite amount of dead worlds, gas giants and their mineral rich moons, just means that you have much greater access to these resources, and thus generally takes a back seat to most of the other FT elements.
Hakurabi
19-03-2006, 10:18
Ouch... Good call, Godular.

Postcount is no measure of 'n00b' or non-'n00b'ishness - I could have put five hundred one-line posts and postcount won't show the difference. 'N00bishness' (what an ugly word) is defined by attitude.

Asbena - Even if you had more posts than Kyanges and New Dornalia, you would still be called a 'n00b'. The label 'n00b' is distinguised from its relative 'newb' in that the label 'n00b' is not in any way related to posts or chronological forum age. By behaving in such a manner you are proving yourself worthy of the derogatory label.

If I were to write posts in such a hostile manner designed to offend, I would be just as quickly branded as a 'n00b' as the next person, as would anyone else, new or not. If Godular suddenly went insane and began posting nonsensical and flamebaiting messages he would be branded one as quickly as anyone else, if this behaviour persisted.

Perhaps the first or second infractions would elict either a mild chastisement and a redirection to the stickies, consistent behaviour earns one a poor reputation amongst members of the community and results in this sort of alienation.


Now, with regard to your mention: The very fact that you were rapidly mentioned as a person to whom this thread should be brought to the attention of shows that in general you are regarded as one who is clearly seen to pay little attention to resource supplies.


Now, since this is a thread regarding the ignorance of resource supplies, we should all contribute to the discussion itself as opposed to simply arguing amongst ourselves.

Personally, I more-or-less ignore specific resources, instead running on the decision that since I have a small roleplayed country as compared to other nations, my Military is limited to that which can be supported by what can be extracted and reasonably obtained from trade. I suppose you could compare it to TA's resource system - I've got 'so many' resources and this 'so many' can be anything I want but I can only have that 'so many' in total. If I've got some exotic material in use for my military, then since I have to expend more to obtain said material for maintainence and thus it lessens my overall military size.

This runs on the assumption that anything I need can be either mined, synthesised or traded for so it all boils down to funds/resources (depending on whether there is currency) - If I've no uranium and want nuclear weapons, I can buy the uranium I need out of the defence budget, but this comes at the cost of maximum military strength - I may just need to mothball/scrap an armoured division or a few ships.

Since I'm a FT nation, trade is replaced to some extent by synthesis, but the principle remains the same. Say I had atomic rearrangement technology, I'd still need to feed in the base materiel for the process, and lose considerable amounts in the process due to inefficiency. The cost/gain ratio may change but the principle remains the same - The rarer and more exotic something I need is, the more of my resources it consumes to obtain, moreso if what I use it for requires more of it (Like, say, a nuclear reactor w/ imported uranium).

EDIT: Gradasi: In FT, despite having FTL travel and dead worlds to obtain from, the cost of surveying, mining, transportation and processing still makes overall budgeted resource an issue. Even if the commercial sector handles it, the cost filters down to all recipients - even if you run on energy credits.
Gradasi
19-03-2006, 10:29
EDIT: Gradasi: In FT, despite having FTL travel and dead worlds to obtain from, the cost of surveying, mining, transportation and processing still makes overall budgeted resource an issue. Even if the commercial sector handles it, the cost filters down to all recipients - even if you run on energy credits.

I never said it would be inexpensive (though things like surverying become as cheap as pressing a few buttons on a ship console and getting a complete reading of the resources on a given world) to obtain most of the resources from the sources I mentioned, though I'd say that it would be considerably cheaper for an FT nation to do that stuff than it would an MT nation if you scaled it properly, just that the availibility of resources for an FT nation is many times more than that of an MT nation.
Ramissle
19-03-2006, 15:45
Well I hope I've changed some of your opinions on how to RP your nation. Because really, thats all I was trying to do here, not get anyone upset about all this.

I think I even changed my opinions on how to RP my country, and I'm going to start RPing a thirdworld country somewhere with nothing but bannanas and a huge drug cartel.
Present Day Comatica
19-03-2006, 15:56
Sephrioth has twice as many posts as you.
Nice.

I try not to be too self-sufficient, with materials like textiles and gunpowder in short supply. That's why most of the time, when I go to war, I open a short trade contract with anyone interested. I even made a permanent thread once, which reminds me...I better bump that thread. >_>
The Kraven Corporation
19-03-2006, 16:10
The Only Resource in Kraven, is Irridium, If I want anything else I have to invade other countries to aquire it, but when I plunder resources, I stip mine everything that could possibly be of use, leaving the conquered nation a barren desolate Desert wasteland...

I constantly require resources to keep The Kraven War Machine turning, its a perpetual circle, to keep the military going I have to invade, and to Invade I have to keep the Military going... so I'm constantly farming nations for their Human and Natural Resources...
Space Union
19-03-2006, 16:25
No, most people RP without having all the resources in NS. For example, I RP that I have a rich abundence of oil, uranium, and aluminium. But I also RPing that I lack coal, iron, titanium, and many other resources. The reason that I don't go around buying is because my nation has open-door policy so I get those materials from around the world. And this is basically how most people RP getting resources. Just because they don't RP it, doesn't mean they are godmodding. That's my take on the matter.
Wingarde
19-03-2006, 16:52
The Only Resource in Kraven, is Irridium, If I want anything else I have to invade other countries to aquire it, but when I plunder resources, I stip mine everything that could possibly be of use, leaving the conquered nation a barren desolate Desert wasteland...

I constantly require resources to keep The Kraven War Machine turning, its a perpetual circle, to keep the military going I have to invade, and to Invade I have to keep the Military going... so I'm constantly farming nations for their Human and Natural Resources...
If that's so, how did you build your war machine, hell, your entire nation to start invading for resources in the first place?
The Kraven Corporation
19-03-2006, 16:55
If that's so, how did you build your war machine to start invading for resources in the first place?

There was the Origonal Resources of the Country Kraven formerly occupied, Slovania, it was strip mined, and thats what set the Ball rolling... its a Barren Snow covered wasteland now, the weather and climate are very hostile.. and nothing grows there... there are 3 indigneous animals, The Double Headed Eagle, the Cydonian Rat, and the Snow Drake...
Velkya
19-03-2006, 17:16
I RP oil as the reason my nation is unified (see 'Velkya' NSWiki). And because I treat Velkya as a sub countinent, I pretty much have most of the natural resources I need. Anything I don't have I assume I get through the Questerian Commonwealth.
Skibereen
19-03-2006, 17:47
Oh jeez. Here I go. I'm about to rant about something I hate about NS, which is the second biggest reason I'm getting some kid in my class to make a RTS game like it (the first is I hate writing grr!) So, if you want, you can duck and cover.
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So there I am, looking at this guys ethanol thread, being angry because he stole the idea from me by reading my thoughts, looking at the mistakes in the storefront he made and how I can improve on them (no offense, really), and as I was about to do some hardcore math to figure out how much I should sell my ethanol a barrel, I realized something. I can't make a profit off this if every single nation in NS has enough oil to last it forever and ever and ever and ever. No one but the newbies, people who are being polite, and idiots like me would ever buy it if we could just RP having everything we wanted. So this brings me to my main argument.

Resources. Theres no distribution. Its like every single nation in NS is godmoding by having everything. I always thought that one of the most interesting parts of global politics, in RL, was quibbling over resources. That is why I prefer continents like Irathria, where the amount and who gets it is controlled by the hopefully impartial person who made the map, and nations get to duke it out for better stuff, or just do some good ol' fashioned trading.

But the problem with continents like Irathria is interest. Again, no one but the newbies, people who are being polite, and idiots like me would ever join a continent like Irathria, because they don't get to have everything they want. I mean, look at other projects like this, Meta Earth, Sarnia (another creation of mine), this other one I saw this guy doing, they all have one thing in common: Lack of interest.

So I guess I'm just asking people to add another thing to their huge list of role playing courtesy, and make it interesting by not giving yourself everything you need.
I actually RP having NO oil reserves at all--except fish oil...but I dont think that is what you mean.
My nation has no Oil, I import ethanol and diesel.....since there is huge lack of realistic exporters I simply ignore the fact I have no Live Player Import Export Partner....besides Macabees and maybe a couple of others....but no where near what a real nation has.

It sounds to me you are simply moving in circles with bad RPers.
Questers
19-03-2006, 17:52
Well.. as Hogsweat I RPed having a huge oil/steel sector but I didn't produce any food or luxuries... and as Questers my oil/petroleum sector is tiny 'Petroleum / Oil (1.4%)'

But on the whole I agree with you, although so many nations to trade with kinda does make it redundant.
Ramissle
19-03-2006, 18:34
I actually RP having NO oil reserves at all--except fish oil...but I dont think that is what you mean.
My nation has no Oil, I import ethanol and diesel.....since there is huge lack of realistic exporters I simply ignore the fact I have no Live Player Import Export Partner....besides Macabees and maybe a couple of others....but no where near what a real nation has.

It sounds to me you are simply moving in circles with bad RPers.
Maybe I am just rping with bad players.....

Then again, its not like I have that much skill either.
Skibereen
19-03-2006, 18:54
Maybe I am just rping with bad players.....

Then again, its not like I have that much skill either.
Do not confuse wordsmithing with Roleplay skill.
I am not a master of the written word by any stretch of the imagination but i can still do a damned fine RP.

The thing is this, I only RP with people who RP the way I like---not who all agree with me---but who have a certain standard---all others I simply do my best to have very little dealings with them.

Try that.

It will reduce the number of people you RP with, but you will enjoy what you do a lot more.
Ramissle
19-03-2006, 19:20
Do not confuse wordsmithing with Roleplay skill.
I am not a master of the written word by any stretch of the imagination but i can still do a damned fine RP.

The thing is this, I only RP with people who RP the way I like---not who all agree with me---but who have a certain standard---all others I simply do my best to have very little dealings with them.

Try that.

It will reduce the number of people you RP with, but you will enjoy what you do a lot more.
Oh, I wasn't saying by how well they write, I did mean roleplay skill.
But I should find some people who RP the way I do...

EDIT: No offense to anyone I RP with, really.
Asbena
19-03-2006, 19:28
True. Ramissle...Irathia needs to be more active.
The Kraven Corporation
19-03-2006, 19:29
True. Ramissle...Irathia needs to be more active.

Well, give me a few more days, and things are certainly going to warm up ever so slightly...

*polishes Jackboots*
Ramissle
19-03-2006, 19:32
Yeah, it does.
I've been busy designing new stuff for my military, all I got is a brand new tank and troop carrier.

Maybe one of you should start something, it seems to be much more active when theres a war going on. I was planning on doing something, but seeing how I have to go destroy my economy and redesign my army, I don't see myself doing much for the continent for a little bit.
Red Tide2
19-03-2006, 20:12
Well I Roleplay as having purely massive amounts of iron, coal, gold, alunimum and titanium(with shortages of the last one popping up every so often). Given the lack of consumers in my nation(their wages are all to low), my nation is barely self-sufficient in oil(the military eats up huge amounts of oil with their constant exercises). However, having a military-production oriented economy has its pitfalls. There are certain materials I lack(such as bauxite), not to mention the demand for consumer goods is so low that none are made, all of my consumer goods are imported.
Emperor Palpatine II
19-03-2006, 20:49
wow...we really are idiots, replying to a self-explained thread rant, of course most of the nations are god-modded in this respect, it wouldn't be fun without that. Now stop complaining and go back to conquering someone or fighting off an invasion like everyone else...and I just joined the idiots. *puts card-board sign around neck*
Velkya
19-03-2006, 21:19
Well I Roleplay as having purely massive amounts of iron, coal, gold, alunimum and titanium(with shortages of the last one popping up every so often). Given the lack of consumers in my nation(their wages are all to low), my nation is barely self-sufficient in oil(the military eats up huge amounts of oil with their constant exercises). However, having a military-production oriented economy has its pitfalls. There are certain materials I lack(such as bauxite), not to mention the demand for consumer goods is so low that none are made, all of my consumer goods are imported.

Wait...if you didn't have anyone buying anything, wouldn't that mean your economy would be bascially imploded?
Red Tide2
19-03-2006, 21:32
OOC: Hey I am not an economics expert!
Sarzonia
19-03-2006, 21:39
I RP Sarzonia as being short of certain resources (specifically oil). My factbook has a list of imports and if you look at a thread Praetonia created, you'll see that several nations list things they need and can't create very much of.

As for Majeristan, I RP that country not having much iron or anything usually used to build military equipment such as ships, aircraft, tanks, etc. So not everyone RPs having everything they could ever need.
Gelfland
19-03-2006, 22:31
I've never had much problem getting the trade deals I need for my resources.
For a Time I had a very nice deal worked out trading Assorted Quiesently Frozen Rodents for fuels and military hardware.
Of course, the bottom largly dropped out of the speciality commodities market when the other two major players quit.
Hakurabi
20-03-2006, 11:34
Like I said, it all boils down to funds/resources in general. Trade takes care of everything else.

It's like a limited amount of a universal resource.
Socialist Whittier
20-03-2006, 12:15
Oh jeez. Here I go. I'm about to rant about something I hate about NS, which is the second biggest reason I'm getting some kid in my class to make a RTS game like it (the first is I hate writing grr!) So, if you want, you can duck and cover.
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So there I am, looking at this guys ethanol thread, being angry because he stole the idea from me by reading my thoughts, looking at the mistakes in the storefront he made and how I can improve on them (no offense, really), and as I was about to do some hardcore math to figure out how much I should sell my ethanol a barrel, I realized something. I can't make a profit off this if every single nation in NS has enough oil to last it forever and ever and ever and ever. No one but the newbies, people who are being polite, and idiots like me would ever buy it if we could just RP having everything we wanted. So this brings me to my main argument.

Resources. Theres no distribution. Its like every single nation in NS is godmoding by having everything. I always thought that one of the most interesting parts of global politics, in RL, was quibbling over resources. That is why I prefer continents like Irathria, where the amount and who gets it is controlled by the hopefully impartial person who made the map, and nations get to duke it out for better stuff, or just do some good ol' fashioned trading.

But the problem with continents like Irathria is interest. Again, no one but the newbies, people who are being polite, and idiots like me would ever join a continent like Irathria, because they don't get to have everything they want. I mean, look at other projects like this, Meta Earth, Sarnia (another creation of mine), this other one I saw this guy doing, they all have one thing in common: Lack of interest.

So I guess I'm just asking people to add another thing to their huge list of role playing courtesy, and make it interesting by not giving yourself everything you need.
the earth iv threads already distribute resources like this. I did it based on real world resource distribution as found through intense research. But Earth IV has not garnered any interest.
Ramissle
21-03-2006, 02:50
the earth iv threads already distribute resources like this. I did it based on real world resource distribution as found through intense research. But Earth IV has not garnered any interest.
I remember Earth IV being very popular....
Velkya
21-03-2006, 03:11
OOC: Hey I am not an economics expert!

Neither am I, but I doubt your nation would have any money at all, let alone enough to maintain constant military exericises.
Jenrak
21-03-2006, 03:16
I barely have any resources of my own anymore. It was all wasted on my castles. The only real I have left is slaves.
Socialist Whittier
21-03-2006, 14:36
I remember Earth IV being very popular....
only a couple of people showed up and almost none of them stayed.
Dra-pol
21-03-2006, 15:12
Hm, there's been mention of AMW in this thread, but that doesn't seem to matter? AMW nations are confined to essentially real-world resources, with some limited flexibility (the Lyong Peninsula from East Asia is imaginary, but of realistic proportions and well-played economics, thanks to Spyr and others).

I know what Ramissle means, and so I'm not attacking him: his concerns are a large part of why Quinntonia and I started AMW, even though I'd never had any interest in the various Earths until then.

I'm too drunk to add more. While I think that Ramissle misses a lot that's going on, some of his fundamental concerns are legit. and it would be nice if the sentiment spread through other players.
Ramissle
21-03-2006, 23:51
I used to be part of AMW. Thats one of the reasons I joined it.
Franberry
21-03-2006, 23:56
I barely have any resources of my own anymore. It was all wasted on my castles. The only real I have left is slaves.
yeah, but you could RP a major gold/diamond find, then just buy everythig
Leafanistan
22-03-2006, 01:19
All those new nations that pop up with threads proclaiming cheap steel and cheap titanium ore I immediately secure exclusive contracts with them. I actually went to war with Frozopia (which was later retconned away) over my Uranium mines and a diplomatic incident. My central plains make it easy enough to grow food, and a lot of the waste goes to Thermal Deploymerizers.

Though I am in the midst of a Civil War and I'm going to be RPing a food shortage. With Tiberium sucking up reserouses and choking Fish farms to death it is going to be an issue.
Jenrak
22-03-2006, 01:31
yeah, but you could RP a major gold/diamond find, then just buy everythig

I did, and I added alittle twist, and then I got attacked by Kahanistan. Yippee.