NationStates Jolt Archive

After WW2 the people of Poland were put under communist rule. Under their rule, Poland slowly rebuilt. After communist rule fell, and Poland became a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Poland was able to finally rebuild in its true form. It is now a member of the EU. It has come under fire for announcing its space program and the government isnt giving any information about it away. The military has become one of the most modernized forces in Europe and has assisted Israel's move of the Dome of the Rock. The country plans to launch its first shuttle before 2020.

Allies:

Friends:
Israel
Spain
Australia

Enemies:

Participating Links:
EU
NATO
CSAU
UN
21C Jugoslavia

Polish Government:
Prime Minister- Alexi Gornacoff
Vice PM-Gregory Denev
Minister of Defense- Sergei Mornco
Minister of Foreign Affairs- Peter Nadezhda
more to come

The Kingdom of Denmark would like to point out that any member of the EU and NATO could actually be considered allies of Poland. In fact, they almost should, as NATO itself is an alliance between all its members, as is the EU. Friends, of course, are a different matter.

We're also willing to continue the discussion of the Polish Space Program. We would like to get a reason for Poland's refusal to join the ESA. We'd also like to know where Poland intends to situate its launch sites.

Thank you - PM Jacob Andersen.

Poland will discuss their space program with their partners. There is no need to tell you where we will launch from, since we do not know at the moment. Many places are still being considered.

The Kingdom of Denmark would then like to note that the launch site must be well away from any Danish territory. If it is not, we will bring the matter to the EU.

OOC: Actually it really doesn't matter as Denmark is decently far away from Poland. You can't really say that and mean it...If you bitch about an ICBM being in your range, you are pretty stupid, cause they can hit anywhere basically. The EU wouldn't give a damn. XD

thankyou austrailia. lol
;)

ooc: I will reply ICly.

ic:
Poland must realize it takes massive speeds (in the km per second) to escape the earths gravitational pull and therefore Denmark is at risk of being struck by a failed launch. A small risk, but a risk nevertheless, if the launch site is too close. At the very worst, a failed launch would strike Denmark in a matter of minutes (300km isn't very far when you're going a few kms per second).

There is a reason why the ESA, NASA and Russia all have their launch sites in either very remote locations or locations with purely ocean before them.

The Kingdom of Denmark would then like to note that the launch site must be well away from any Danish territory. If it is not, we will bring the matter to the EU.

[ooc: that would be stupid of poland to do that, because the better launch sites are closer to the equator anyway...Denmark is farther north than Poland...

and to echo Australia's comment about the border...Denmark and Poland don't share a real border and they would to be really close to the German border to get within a reasonable distance to Denmark, and even so, a rocket going into space is likely to land anywhere it falls...and there's nothing really wrong with a launch site anyway...they're not launching missiles at you...

but the most important thing is that Poland would be an imbecile to make a launch site farther north rather than farther south, to avoid the winter chills and provide a better launch angle from the Earth...]

[ooc: that would be stupid of poland to do that, because the better launch sites are closer to the equator anyway...Denmark is farther north than Poland...

and to echo Australia's comment about the border...Denmark and Poland don't share a real border and they would to be really close to the German border to get within a reasonable distance to Denmark, and even so, a rocket going into space is likely to land anywhere it falls...and there's nothing really wrong with a launch site anyway...they're not launching missiles at you...

but the most important thing is that Poland would be an imbecile to make a launch site farther north rather than farther south, to avoid the winter chills and provide a better launch angle from the Earth...]

ooc: you've got a point. anyway, ICly, I am trying to exert pressure on Poland to join the ESA rather than foolishly starting their own program. And besides, you are right, it could land anywhere :p so why have an inexperienced program do launchings?

read this site before you keep rambling on. you dont know whats going on with the space program unless you view this.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10592438#post10592438





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Edit: how did you know i wanted to nuke dennmark?? you must be spying on me!?!?!?! lol. Did you guess it from his constent harassment or what? jp.

ooc: you've got a point. anyway, ICly, I am trying to exert pressure on Poland to join the ESA rather than foolishly starting their own program. And besides, you are right, it could land anywhere :p so why have an inexperienced program do launchings?

OOC: Didn't Naktan say they were already in the ESA? I'm confused now!!

OOC: Didn't Naktan say they were already in the ESA? I'm confused now!!

ooc: I haven't seen Poland ever mentioned as being a member of the ESA, that is, in RL. As it is, I can see no reason why Poland is a member of the ESA unless they joined it while we were playing.

Who belongs to ESA?

ESA’s 17 Member States are Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom. Canada, Hungary and the Czech Republic also participate in some projects under cooperation agreements.

As can be seen from this list, not all member countries of the European Union are members of ESA and not all ESA Member States are members of the EU. ESA is an entirely independent organisation although it maintains close ties with the EU through an ESA/EC Framework Agreement. The two organisations share a joint European strategy for space and together are developing a European space policy.

Poland is not in it. They can join with us, unless Poland joined the ESA between 2006-2011. >.> Was naktan refering to that?

still it has worked closely with it. We may join. all euro nation here please view our space program forum and read my invitation.

Poland is not in it. They can join with us, unless Poland joined the ESA between 2006-2011. >.> Was naktan refering to that?

[ooc: i was working on the assumption that all the EU nations consented to joining the ESA as the official space trael agency for Europe...but this is ultimately subject to Poland, so I can't say...]

[ooc: i was working on the assumption that all the EU nations consented to joining the ESA as the official space trael agency for Europe...but this is ultimately subject to Poland, so I can't say...]

According the ESA website not all members of the EU are in the ESA. Preferably because they don't have the funding, iniative or demand for it.

According the ESA website not all members of the EU are in the ESA. Preferably because they don't have the funding, iniative or demand for it.

Correct, the EU members not in the ESA are so because they have no national interest in space flight. They can have corporate businesses that are interested, but no national funding.

european nations, israel, USA, and Australia please read my latest post.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10592438#post10592438

try to post there if you will come or not.

[ooc: FYI, we're using up Poland's threads...

another FYI... the ESA is a semi-private agency that gets a whole lot of money from the EU [for all purposes, it's practically public, seeing as they wouldn't exist with the subsidies from the EU]. I never said that all EU members participate in the ESA...I assumed that joining the EU would incline that nation to participate in the ESA, and seeing as I presumed that Poland - a new member - would willfully join in on the benefits...seeing as they probably aren't, I doubt that they would have joined the ESA...

again, I can't say if or if not...it's Poland who says whether they're in or not...]

fine for the last time, let me clarify this.

Poland is not in the ESA, but we work with it. We are thinking about joining.

fine for the last time, let me clarify this.

Poland is not in the ESA, but we work with it. We are thinking about joining.

[ooc: that's kind of contradictory...how can you work with it and not be a part of it? the ESA is a multinational cooperative agency that works to manufacture and supply the space program; so if you're working with the ESA, you're a part of it...]

Naktan is right. You have to be in it or not in it. Though I think the EU would want to to join the ESA if you tried to get a space program anyways.

i read this and it said they work with them, but are not part of them. but i may be wrong. i dont have to ask this since i know you will sadly do it, but, please enlighten me.

i read this and it said they work with them, but are not part of them. but i may be wrong. i dont have to ask this since i know you will sadly do it, but, please enlighten me.

http://www.warsawvoice.pl/view/3576/

The ESA's activities bring advantages to both the largest countries and the smaller and less developed ones whose contributions are minimal. For example, in the EU, spending on space research per resident is 15 euros; in the United States it's 110 euros; and in Poland- only 0.08 euros

So...your funding is total crap, your not in the ESA or EU by this document, HOWEVER it says you cooperate with the ESA, suggesting ground-based assistance and research.

Can we please just move on?

This is Asbena your talking to - he is incapable of 'moving on.'

(OOC: Res, secure that crap now. In RL we can talk like that, but here, you grow up.)

OOC: *Sigh* Waiting for Poland conference...I suggest you do the same before you insult us. Considering he moved the space thread and we ended the cruiser talk.

(OOC: Hmm...., apparently a Polish company produces Pandur IIs as well - if Austria negrects to respond: )

The Republic a del Peru would be interested in acquiring 100 Pandur II 8x8 IFVs for our bome defense force. We are quite impresed by its versatility and mobility, and our military commanders feel that the Pandur II is the best such vehicle on the world market. Please respond as soon a convenient for you. We look foward to doing bussiness with you in the future.
-Peru's Minister of Defense

(OOC: If you have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, look it up on the army-technology website - no idea how much one costs, though)

the republic of poland would ofcourse be willing to sell you these tanks. We could even transport them over when we send our peacekeeping force. i will post the price later..

Warsaw Space Conference Link
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10599599#post10599599

Peru: can i please get a link to your N/D thread. Also

IC: we will be deploying 200 commandoes by c130 to get boots on the ground and set up a command post. I will then send the remaining 200 commandoes and 500 infantry personnel by boat with the vehicles and helicopters and with your shipment of tanks. lets make the check out to *puts pinky to mouth* ONE. TWO BILLION DOLLARS.

November 2011

Polish News Service:

This is Velisa, your host for Uncovering Warsaw. On this show we will be discussing the first year of Prime Minister Gornacoffs term.We will also be discussing the deployment of Polish Special Forces to Peru. On this show our guests for tonight are Delegate Cristos from the province of Bytom, also we have General Farraunk, Chief of Staff of the Army We also have Jaresh Nino, reporter for the Warsaw Gazette.. Here remotely from Brussels, the Polish ambassador to the EU. Gentlemen, welcome. The guests all responded in some sort, nodding or speaking.
“General, let me start with you. How does the military feel about the Prime Minister first year in office?”

“Well.. the Polish military supports the Prime Minister 100% and feel that he has made good decisions. The request from the Peruvian government was an important one to answer, the troops being sent there are ready. Also we are sending a flotilla of ships to the nation to assist” the balding gentleman was unsure, but he was a patriotic man.
“Oh, please” said Nino. “The polish military may be blinded by the Prime Ministers decisions, but the press isn’t. The president has sent Polish soldiers to assist nations that have nothing to do with us.”
“Delegate Cristos, what are your feelings on the Prime Ministers decisions?” asked the calm Velisa.
The wise man sat and considered the question for a minute
“I believe that the Prime Minister has made good and bad decisions. He is like many other politicians in Europe. He…..” Cristos was not finished but, the fiery Nino blurted out. “That is another pathetic statement by another follower. The Prime Minister has damaged relations with several European nations.”
“Let us move on, shall we?” asked Velisa
“The elections in the European Union, the runners are our nation(Poland) and the Republic of Dennmark. Ambassador, You have viewed this from Brussels and have even spoken for the Prime Minister even. Does it seem that our nation could win this election?
The man was in a wooden chair flanked by the flags of Poland and the EU flag. “Well, our nation has made many friends in with nations in this union. We have a fair assumption that Poland could win this election. I have laid out our platform and have won several supporters. I guess what im trying to say is that we will have to just have to wait and see.”
Well, lets move on to another…” The tv was turned off and the viewer went to sleep...

the republic of poland would ofcourse be willing to sell you these tanks. We could even transport them over when we send our peacekeeping force. i will post the price later..

Warsaw Space Conference Link
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10599599#post10599599

Peru: can i please get a link to your N/D thread. Also

IC: we will be deploying 200 commandoes by c130 to get boots on the ground and set up a command post. I will then send the remaining 200 commandoes and 500 infantry personnel by boat with the vehicles and helicopters and with your shipment of tanks. lets make the check out to......10.2 million dollars

OOC: You have to at least say billion. Stop godmodding production. No one can produce 100 APCs, send them, and have it cost 10 mil.

In response to the Polish media, the Danish Royal Guard would like to point out that Denmark is a Constitutional Monarchy and not a Republic. The correct term would therefore be "Kingdom of Denmark" as opposed to "Republic of Denmark"

OOC: The link is in the main thread...
OOC: Asbena, you're one to talk...

OOC: sooooo sorry Seathorn

IC: the republic would like to remind the "Kingdom of Dennmark" that it is not a government news service, but a public news service, talk to them.

OOC: Fine....I'll take this to Naktan and Sel if you do it again.

OOC: sooooo sorry Seathorn

IC: the republic would like to remind the "Kingdom of Dennmark" that it is not a government news service, but a public news service, talk to them.

The statement was not issued to the Republic of Poland, but to the Polish Media.