NationStates Jolt Archive

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ooc. Doing a bit of Naval Building yourself? ;) And what about the Black Sea and the Northern Fleets? Or are those under construction?

OOC: Most of the ships of those fleets were destroyed in the RUsso-Japanese war. Remember the ships of the RUssian fleet in WWI were leftovers from that war. I have to rebuild my fleets in totallity. WHich is why I am setting up such a large program. FIrst to make the fleets I have now beefier, and then so I can have more fleets.

Nichalos sat at his desk, his head in his hands. THe stress was going to kill him if he didn't take a load off. But how could he relax. The tragedy that just occured. Russia had closed it's communications it seemed with the world. No one knew outside these halls. No one at all. But soon he must tell his people. And then what would he do? The Romanov's line would have to go through his daughter's. He had many. But then he'd have to find a RUssian prince to lead. Or maybe he could use this for peace. His brother would be aching to get the thrown from him. He knew it in his blood that his brother Micheal would want the title of czar. If he believed that his brother would rule wisely, he might just hand it to him on a silver plate. But no, this must be his burden. Slowly he cried again.

OOC: Is that 9 per cent of your population in the military, and you're increasing to 15?

OOC: Yes. And the reason I can do it without being at war? Remember at this time the mechinization of the farms in the countryside sent a TON of peasants into the cities. It was a flood of people, and so this leave alot of urban poor just waiting to be recruited into the army if need be. By the way the Triple Entente of France, England, and Russia was created in 1907.

From the throne of King Frederick VIII in Copenhagen to the Royal estates of the Czar in St. Petersburg, the Empire of Denmark offers a most gracious alliance between our two countries. Together, our navies control the northern seas, and may trading ships flourish in the Baltic. The King and The Holy Danish Parliment hope you accept our kind offer.

King Frederick VIII, of The Empire of Denmark and her Colonies

I gather this means you wish to join the Triple Entente?

SIC to Russi: Serbia is glad to be close friends to Russia and hopes that these friendships develop for a long time to come. We are just concerned with recent actions of nations near us and hope that Russia will support us in case of war with the Ottoman Empire or Austria.(aka you will at least support me in war - don't worry - I will not attack Austria or Italy or anything like that
-Belgrade

Small detachments of revolutionaries are thrown against the wall, executed as the rest of the country at least starts to quiet down. The flood to the cities of farmers from earlier programs making the country industrialize at an unheard of rate. A few people are concerned it may outgrow itself, but the rest of the country does at least spend most of it's time trying to coplacate the large populace. Many on the east coast find it lucritave to work at naval yards, making the rate of ship construction even faster. The navy itself seems to be capable of practicing much more than normal. THe RUssian Navy is improving.

OCC: Could I lead a Bolshevik or Communist or Socialist movement?

If you plan to most likely die then yes. Remember I get russia no matter what it's government. SO if a revolution succeeds, then I am in control of the new government. *NOds*

OCC: Sure, but does my character HAVE to die?

This is Russia we are talking about. SO the answer is most likely.

Adrian Konovski walked down a cold street in St.Petersberg. The air was crisp and the hour grew late. he adjusted his cap and shoved his hands in his coat pockets. After a few blocks he reached the Wild Boar Tavern. he stepped inside and removed his cap. The tavern was full of drunks drinking and womanizing with women of loose morals. men sat around tables playing cards and telling good jokes and stories. It was alive and warm inside. he made his way to the back of the Tavern to a door. he knocked twice, then once, then, once more. A few seconds later the door jarred open.

"It's me, Adrian" he said
"Oh, Adrian, nice to see you!" replied the man from behind the door. The man opened the door, Adrian walked in and the door shut quickly.
"It is good to see you Stanislav" said Adrian. Inside was a table, chairs, and several others. The others were Andrei Skavinski, Valerik Solmonov, Fyodor Cadman, Dimitri Malakoff, Jov Toplo, and Yuri Menshikov. These eight men made up a secret club. They would meet in that back room and discuss politics, philosophy, the monarchy and its problems, Russia and its problems, amoung other things as well.

Adrian took off his tattered scarf and gloves and put his hat on the table. He walked over to the stove to warm his hands up a bit. The rest took their seats and exchanged small talk. Adrian poured himself a glass of wine and it bolted down his throat.
"Guess what I had to do today" Adrian said between drinks
"What happened?" asked Valerik, the others leaned in closer.
"The plant owner and manager forced me to fire several workers today. They were friends of mine and they desperatley needed the job. I barely kept myself from weeping once it was done. I argued with the manager to not fire them, they were good workers. But he shot down my pleads." Adrian was a foreman at the steel mill. For several years prior he worked miserable jobs there until he advanced. "I worked with some of them, you know. They were passed up for promotions." he replied.
"Damn the system!" said Stanislov "That honest hard working men be set against eachother by the rich and powerful. To squabble for positions, like dogs over a bone!"
The rest agreed and continued their discussion.

OCC: Bump

"Concilliations of the Czar has been agreed to by the Duma. Concilliations of the Czar voted by the Duma." A cryer in the street stated as he passed by. Another set of feet passed by. It was the army sending more troops to the Western theatre of problems. THe army did alot of marching from certain roads. A plane could be heard outside.

Adrian broke off a piece of bread that was on the table and scarfed it down.
'It's just a matter of time before they lay more people off, even me. Times have become very tough. I want to marry Sasha, but I can't afford a ring, so I wait." he said.
"So, you are finally going to marry Sasha?" asked Fyodor
"If I could afford it." replied Adrian.

ooc. Hey, if you're RPing the Bolsheviks/Revolutionairies, please come over to the main RP thread. I still need someone to RP as Lenin...

OCC: Where is the main thread?

OOC: It's the Imperial one, not the IMperial one from the 19th century though. Wait what is the exact title. Grumble.

IC: THe army continues to march past, soldiers grumbling as they pass by. More feet stamp as they seem to be a common sight. Navy men laugh as they enter the bar in the front, making noise.

"Long live the Czar. Especcially for increasing our funding and improving our food." The sailors state as they obviously sit down, making noise as a dozen conversations come at once. "Think the war will travel to us?" A few asked. "Not that it'd matter. We're only useful of the Japanese or British start up. ANd our building program isn't close to getting there." THey continued to talk.

OOC: 15 percent of your populace cannot be in the army. Russia is still working on its industrialization. Even Germany *during* world war one mobilized less than ten percent of its population at any one time. Russia could only mobilize about six million at once, and mobilized a total of only 12 million throughout the entire war:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWarmies1914.htm

Actually it's industrialization at this time was moving faster than any country in the world EVER has done before at this time. It was a lethiavon, and wiht the thousands of people moving from the farms to the cities at this time, not all of them went to the factory. And this isn't mobilize at once. I am simply making the pool of possible people to be recruited larger. As in out of 166 million, I will burn through teh people til I have used 15% of them. Will our willpower go out by then? Perhaps. But in the end it's what can you go through. Not all at once.

I believe your population is actually more like 85 million. This site explains

http://www.library.uu.nl/wesp/populstat/Europe/russiac.htm

OOC: Actually, he is right about the population (those statistics might just be European Russia), but I doubt he could ever train all those men. Especially since during war time new jobs are produced which means like ten million of them would be busy supporting the war effort in another way. Not to mention that if any of his population ends up behind enemy lines he won't be able to use them at all.

The link I posted, I think the first columns of dates are null, so instead of 183X being 85 million, it's actually from 1910. The World Book and another source gives me roughly the same population as 85 million. I'm pretty sure I'm right here, but I may be misinformed

OCC: I'm not sure I wan't to be Lenin. I already have characters and a story line for them. But if I can be both, then yes. Just tell me where the main thread is and its name and I'll be there.

I think I've lit a fire under everyones burner. If I played weak old RUssia they wouldn't care how many men I ahve. Since I am playing it intelligently I am scaring people. And you forget that Russia has always been much better prepard than the rest of women to industrialize it's women. Even to the point of throwing them in as infantry. IN effect I stick with my stuff. And I don't plan to have an army of 24 million as I have repeated 10,000 times. These are replacement pools. WHich I can tap. So in effect I am not debating this. I picked RUssia despite everyone saying that it sucked, and now that I am playing it intelligently I am told to tone it down. THe answer is no. I am not. You picked your coutnries I picked mine, I am not debating your populations or effectiveness, so don't bother me with mine. SHeesh.

I was merely wondering if your population was as large as you said, for accuracy reasons. I'm not doubting that you could raise a huge army (or reserve pool) eventually, I think Elite Battle Hoards was questioning `5% of your population as being combat eligible, he assumed you were using male peasants, and you never mentioned using females. I just want to figure our accuracy, nothing more

Sorry, its just everytime you try and build up RUssia, someone thinks you should play it dumb and nothing else because it's such a huge threat. And yes Russia was alot better at using women as soldiers and/or factory workers earlier than the rest of Europe. During WWI you only end up with a woman brigade total I believe. IN WWII you have battalions of them at Stalingrad fighting for the Soviets. So they can do it. I mean thats why they can take huge casualty lists that would destroy the other EUropean powers. Even the Japanese powers.

Hey, it would be interesting to see a powerful Russia earlier (although not exactly beneficial to me)

Oh why do you think that I want to avoid war for awhile. It's going to take time. Lots and lots of time to build up RUssia's navy and economy. I had the death as a way of buying more time in itself, and to lesson revolution. Not to mention I think fate was just messed up itself by lettign Alexei live long enough to get murdered. I mean he was at deaths door all the time, he probably should have died earlier.

OCC: What is the title of the main thread or is this it.

Age of Imperialism IC THread (Closed)

And I don't plan to have an army of 24 million as I have repeated 10,000 times. These are replacement pools. WHich I can tap. So in effect I am not debating this. I picked RUssia despite everyone saying that it sucked, and now that I am playing it intelligently I am told to tone it down. THe answer is no. I am not. You picked your coutnries I picked mine, I am not debating your populations or effectiveness, so don't bother me with mine. SHeesh.

OOC: I understand, I just meant that if I were to kill/wound/whatever 18 million and you put the remaining six in your army you would not have sufficient manpower to man factories and farms as well as you normally would.

OCC: I made my post on the main thread. I'm coming in pretty late in the game.

With a population of over 100 left? Don't you remember my Russian women comment?

OOC: I do, but who is going to take care of their children? You are going to have to set up daycares which will take even more manpower and money and morale will go down and all in all it is just bad when you lose 18 million people. I am willing to admit how bad it would be if Germany lost ten million, the same should apply to Russia or any other country.

THe thing is that Russia can take a lot more damage than Germany can. RUssia can lose 10 million and it's bad. Germany loses 10 million and it's catostrophic. Russia if it's will is still there can handle 10 million dead. Germany would be incapable of continuing.

OOC: It is relative to population; I lose 8 million, you lose 18 million, we are both in bad shape.

Russia's population in 1912 was about 88,402,000...or so thats the registered number

I find it interesting these people who come up with the population of RUssia and it always seems to match the US's population in that year. ANd to tell the truth all this debate is starting to get on my nerves. It's not important til we get to a war anyways, and it's grating and personally I'd appreciate if everyone would leave their OOC stuff out of my INformation thread.

OOC: Sorry, this is the last time I will post here unless I have a good reason. I would also just like to point out that I have never disagreed with your population figure.

I stab you with pointy objects.

Revolutionaries, come out come out whereever you are.

Bumpo

I hereby relinquish command of RUssia due to the impossibility of my situation, and to my graduation in three weeks. I therefore wish the best of luck to anyone who inherits this.