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welcome to The Sign Up Thread for NS War II, a new PT/MT/FT RP that will be Winner take all. Just for Kicks, I am Inviteing Chronosia, TFU(Both MT and FT) CoreWorlds, Hakurabi, Automagfreek and Roman Republic.

Rules:

#1 NO GODMODING!

#2 No WMD's (That goes for FT Nations too)

#3 No Blowing up Earth or anyother Planet or Galaxy.

#4 Play nice.

#5 No calling the other Player Godmoder, if they are Godmoding, Just Ignore them or ask a Mod to make them Stop

#6 No Flames or Trolling, All Flamers and Trolls will be KICKED OUT!

and that covers it

and when you Sign up, mark if you are Modern Tech, Future Tech or Past/Fantaisy tech.

the Sides

The Cobra Moon Alliance

Hataria (MT) (Grand Commander of The Cobra Moon)
The Cassiopeia Galaxy (FT)
Defuniak (FT)

The Galactic Empire Alliance

Chronosia (FT) (Commander of The GE Forces)
Geneticon (FT)
Mini Miehm (FT)
Talaax (FT)
Amazonian Beasts (FT)
1010102(FT)
Bloodbank(FT)
Malatose(MT/FT)
CoreWorlds (Lady Nightshade) (FT)

The Alliance of Freedom
MelekTaus (MT)
Godular (FT)
The Fedral Union (FT and MT)
Spartanox(MT)
Kulikovo(MT)
Velkya(FT)
Spit break(FT)
CoreWorlds(The Masaki Family) (FT/MT) (Commander of The Alliance Forces)


Not Part of any Alliance (Nuetral, Independent or terrorist)
Balrogga (FT)
Drexel Hillsville (MT)
Axis Nova(FT)
Flaming Souls(FT)
Hurtful Thoughts (MT)
Hakurabi(FT)

Note: Warning, Being Nuetral in this RP is not all safe. in this war, unlike any War in NS, Nuetrals will be attacked! so watch out!

Slap me in for pure MT all the way, any old team or what ever.

GE Alliance, since I'm already GE... FT.

I'll join as part of the GE Alliance... I'm a mix of MT/FT.

Oh and one thing, The Alliance of Freedom will be Fighting The GE and The Cobra Moon.

Alliance for Freedom with FT, as where CW goes I go and occasionally vice versa!

Oh, and TCG, calling Mini Miehm a troll is flamebait.

I'd recommend you remove the comment about MM, it's flamebait; or at least borderline flamebait. Keep your thoughts in your head.

Hmm nothing better to do so meh.. count me in .. ill join on the side of The Alliance of Freedom.

I would like to sign up if possible. If so, I'd like modern tech.

I would like to sign up if possible. If so, I'd like modern tech.


Which Alliance?

I would like, if possible, to sign up with FT in the GE...since they seem the most evil...and evil is fun!

I'm back from extended leave now (finally), so I'll sign up under the GE Alliance. I'm FT btw

FT please, Cobra Moon.

The Balrogga Empire is interested in sighing up for this event as a Future Tech nation. Please consider the Empire an Independent seeing as we have allies in both the GE and the Alliance of Freedom.


Edit: Are losses considered permanent?

We were on page 4. Had to Bumt this.

Bump Up My Play

Meh, looks like alot of FT nations. I'm so going to be glomped on... xP

note to everyone, ask any NS RPers that are MT to Sign up if they want to, we need More MTs and a Few PTs

Bump

I will play as more MT if you want.

Is this for keeps? Does what happens here affect my other RPGs?

The same question I asked earlier...


Real or imagionary?

I can play MT if Needed, I just have more gear for FT and I have more experience in it.

The same question I asked earlier...


Real or imagionary?

It was real in NS Wari 1, I assume the same for NS War 2.

Sign me up for Alliance for Freedom...MT. :)

I'll be on the Allicance of Freedom

Can you sign me up as nuetral MT...
Actually I may try to secretly help out one of the alliances...

bumped

I am hopeing for more to join, MT and FT, and don't wrory, you FT nations don't have to turn MT, but if you know any MT Nations, Invite them to the war.

FT, please, in that freedom alliance thing.

sign me up for the Alliance of Freedom

tech: semi FT moving for to FT

forces: most of my stuff can be found in http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/index.htm i am making new stuff on my own though

sign me up for the Alliance of Freedom

tech: semi FT moving for to FT

forces: most of my stuff can be found in http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/index.htm i am making new stuff on my own though

Gundams? Mobile Suits? Ugh... Horrible physics on those things, just horrible. And if you employ any Gundams, expect them to be targeted by everything in sight, and that includes ships in orbit.

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Gundams? Mobile Suits? Ugh... Horrible physics on those things, just horrible. And if you employ any Gundams, expect them to
be targeted by everything in sight, and that includes ships in orbit.

I think I'll target them for how ugly and stupid they are... :D

...try it i got my space fortress messiah my NEO GENESIS Mk.13 i got new ships thats are half the size of a super star destroyer i got linear positron cannons my own MS and ship designs i can win

That's where Mini, Chron, me, and the GE come to blow you to smitheriens :P.

ASB you know my power my new weapons are power full plus i got other tricks have you forgoten about the GENESIS Sphere

Mechs are only useful as weapons platforms on the ground, and even then must be small enough to avoid becoming bullet magnets.

I think spit here is going to cause us trouble in the future with Gmodding.

Ya Know, that stuff doesnt make you invincible.

Mechs are only useful as weapons platforms on the ground, and even then must be small enough to avoid becoming bullet magnets.
That's why I use lasers, capital ships, infantry, and armor...

...try it i got my space fortress messiah my NEO GENESIS Mk.13 i got new ships thats are half the size of a super star destroyer i got linear positron cannons my own MS and ship designs i can win

Ok. I have ships that can kill an ISD in 2 shots, and take fire from an ISD for hours(at long ranges) without any real affect. I have ships that are powerful enough to stop just about anything when used in the right numbers. And you only THINK you can win. I've shown that I can win, and have the scars to prove it.

*ASIDE* DAMN YOU US/CW! I LIKED THAT SHIP! KILLING DEATH WAS JUST WRONG!!!!

*back to normal* My Flagships can kill an SSD in one volley. Screwing with me has been an unhealthy proposition for quite some time. On that note I'd intended to introduce my pure Honorverse Tech to this RP, but I think the Terrans and Protoss still have the numbers to make one last showing. Prepare to feel the wrath of the Metal Militia Series.

Guys, I have dibs on killing this one.

totally true but am not a person the uses fighters alot i mean the murasame is my only fighter/MS plus i got things like mobile proximity shield emiters and my MS's have strong shields too

i'll sign up for the GE. i am ft

wow a SSD in one volly hello i said size not same weapons and armor am not that stupid my weapons are strong and my armor stronger

wow a SSD in one volly hello i said size not same weapons and armor am not that stupid my weapons are strong and my armor stronger

Technically it's an SSD in one sixth of a volley, since it's only 10 shots for an Ecklipse.

Ok. I have ships that can kill an ISD in 2 shots, and take fire from an ISD for hours(at long ranges) without any real affect. I have ships that are powerful enough to stop just about anything when used in the right numbers. And you only THINK you can win. I've shown that I can win, and have the scars to prove it.

*ASIDE* DAMN YOU US/CW! I LIKED THAT SHIP! KILLING DEATH WAS JUST WRONG!!!!

*back to normal* My Flagships can kill an SSD in one volley. Screwing with me has been an unhealthy proposition for quite some time. On that note I'd intended to introduce my pure Honorverse Tech to this RP, but I think the Terrans and Protoss still have the numbers to make one last showing. Prepare to feel the wrath of the Metal Militia Series.

Guys, I have dibs on killing this one.
Heh, that's why I'm on your team, apart from other reasons...

Heh, that's why I'm on your team, apart from other reasons...

That's all going away soon. At least, the Terrans and Protoss, and the heavy SC influence. It's going to smaller ships, and a primarily Honorverse Tech Base, with some Legacy of the Aldenata and Prince Roger for giggles.

Ah, well, more smaller ships often can do more than a few big ships...heck, besides my command ship, I don't have a capital ship over 2km...

Well, I see everyone is already having a size contest.

Can we get back to the actual topic of the Thread?

Well, I see everyone is already having a size contest.

Can we get back to the actual topic of the Thread?
I s'pose that's what the flagship contest was for :P.
What topic were we on?

I s'pose that's what the flagship contest was for :P.
What topic were we on?

*jedi mind trick* We were discussing nothing, go about your business.

*In a trance* "I want to go home...and rethink my life."

you were all saying my forces were weak hmmm i might just leave because of it

if you guys don't mind i'll join in as GE with FT

Note: Warning, Being Nuetral in this RP is not all safe. in this war, unlike any War in NS, Nuetrals will be attacked! so watch out!


That means whomever attacks me I will fight against them. Any such attacks will cause me to align myself with the enemies of my attackers. I am just starting out in the same state my nation exists. You know, Role Playing.

Simple...

No need to fight now, save it for the war

you were all saying my forces were weak hmmm i might just leave because of it

And..?

And..?
and we know not...mystery!

Spit Break: lol I kan win eazy hahalol!!!111! :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:
Mini Milheim: nugh uh!!!!11 i can winz stil cuz i gots terrans and myt ships r tiny an blow up huge ships in 1 bolley!!1111!!! :sniper: :sniper:
Spit Break: man dis is taerded and i gown kwit now!!111:mp5:


Come on Guys, if you want to be respected, you've got to look better than that. Both of you need to calm down. Now.

Spit Break: lol I kan win eazy hahalol!!!111! :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:
Mini Milheim: nugh uh!!!!11 i can winz stil cuz i gots terrans and myt ships r tiny an blow up huge ships in 1 bolley!!1111!!! :sniper: :sniper:
Spit Break: man dis is taerded and i gown kwit now!!111:mp5:


Come on Guys, if you want to be respected, you've got to look better than that. Both of you need to calm down. Now.
Lol! Hilarious! But yeah, Defuniak's right.

Oh and everyone, when The Prologe is going on, everyone star Shoping for Ships, Army things, fighters and Weapons at every store front that you think would be good.

Lol! Hilarious! But yeah, Defuniak's right.

I Agree with AB and Defuniak

Oh and everyone, when The Prologe is going on, everyone star Shoping for Ships, Army things, fighters and Weapons at every store front that you think would be good.
I produce my own, though, as evidenced by my broken-down and rusting storefront in my sig...

I already have Everything for my FT set Up, Starships, Fighters, Ground Units... I'm set. If you want tofind out more check my Sig for RP info.

my stuff is kind of now and futrue stuff if you guys ever played Fallout it's like those types of weapons

MT and Ft Storefronts

Bump

Look, whilst I'm not going to join (ignored by Hataria for **dubious reasons**, not particularly fun being tech-godmoded against), I've a few suggestions, especially for Hataria, if I'm not Jolt Ignored.

- Tech advancement: A war will not experience that many effective tech advances during its proceedings. There may be a couple of tide-turning changes but by large you're not going to get them out en masse for quite some time.

- Declaring technology: This was an issue in the previous one. It's imperative that you declare anything special before it comes into play. If you've got an ISD that is immune to Yamato Cannons, you declare it before MM shoots you with them - otherwise it's a tech-godmod.

- Inertia: A capital ship does not turn within seconds. A spinal mount gun can not by turned against more than one ship at a time. It most certainly cannot be turned against more than one fleet in succession. At best it might take out two or three ships that are more or less one behind another. In succession it might down a couple of ships next to each other. If we were doing this as hard SF you'd get capships fighting over days, taking hours to turn and shoot. That or getting blown away and firing like today's tanks.

The interesting thing here is that there are three factions - The Galactic Empire, Cobra Moon and Alliance of Freedom may just decide to switch allegiances...

Look, whilst I'm not going to join (ignored by Hataria for **dubious reasons**, not particularly fun being tech-godmoded against), I've a few suggestions, especially for Hataria, if I'm not Jolt Ignored.
I deignored you

- Tech advancement: A war will not experience that many effective tech advances during its proceedings. There may be a couple of tide-turning changes but by large you're not going to get them out en masse for quite some time.

Everyone don't lissen to this, Tech advencement WILL Be alowed

- Declaring technology: This was an issue in the previous one. It's imperative that you declare anything special before it comes into play. If you've got an ISD that is immune to Yamato Cannons, you declare it before MM shoots you with them - otherwise it's a tech-godmod.[quote]

............ You are odd.

[quote]- Inertia: A capital ship does not turn within seconds. A spinal mount gun can not by turned against more than one ship at a time. It most certainly cannot be turned against more than one fleet in succession. At best it might take out two or three ships that are more or less one behind another. In succession it might down a couple of ships next to each other. If we were doing this as hard SF you'd get capships fighting over days, taking hours to turn and shoot. That or getting blown away and firing like today's tanks.

Oi, no wonder there are few people who RP with you.

The interesting thing here is that there are three factions - The Galactic Empire, Cobra Moon and Alliance of Freedom may just decide to switch allegiances...

The Invite is still Open to you and here is one Thing: NO TROLLING!

Spit Break: lol I kan win eazy hahalol!!!111! :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:
Mini Milheim: nugh uh!!!!11 i can winz stil cuz i gots terrans and myt ships r tiny an blow up huge ships in 1 bolley!!1111!!! :sniper: :sniper:
Spit Break: man dis is taerded and i gown kwit now!!111:mp5:


Come on Guys, if you want to be respected, you've got to look better than that. Both of you need to calm down. Now.

Horribly wrong in fact. I have hugeass ships, and my hugeass ships kill OTHER hugeass ships in one volley. MMII SDN=6 miles MMDN=4 CoelocanthBC=2 miles. ISD=1 mile EclipseSSD=17km(some 10 odd miles).

MMIII Flagship=16km.

Only MMII and MMIII can kill anything decently sized with one volley. There are a total of EIGHT of those ships in my entire navy. There are 21 MMs, and they can take a SSD in one volley, but only at 3-1 odds, and with the assistance of a few BCs(assuming perfect accuracy). BCs require 10-1 odds to take an SSD in one volley, again assuming perfect accuracy. They are also some of the slowestrand least maneuverable ships in FT, since the fastest of them can only accelerate at about 6kps squared. Think of them as BIG tank-like things, slow, hard to kill, and heavily armed.

I'm NOT introducing my downsized Navy here for a reason. That reason is the number of opponents, since an SD(p) has so many vulnerabilities and openings at close range that it's not even funny. They're still slow as all hell, at something like 4-odd kps squared of acceleration. They are not fast, or really heavily armed, and ther are 0 fighters in this tech base, meaning I need an idea for anti-fighter spam, other than using nukes on them.

Downsized ship=largest is 4km and change. There are a little over 70 odd of them in the entire Navy.

Oh and everyone, when The Prologe is going on, everyone star Shoping for Ships, Army things, fighters and Weapons at every store front that you think would be good.

I for one will not be doing this. The reason is simple, the Empire knows nothing of this war IC.

There cannot be any justification to pump your forces be cause all knowlege of this event is strictly OOC. Even when things start, unless you are directly involved, you should treat the events exactly like any other of the too numerous squabbles and wars on NS. You ignore it until you are drawn into it.

Only then could you justify doing any IC actions like enlisting more men, pushing more ships out of your shipyards, buying hardware beyond your usual stock levels, ect...

Using OOC knowlege was prohibited under the rule that mentioned Godmodding.

bump

- Inertia: A capital ship does not turn within seconds. A spinal mount gun can not by turned against more than one ship at a time. It most certainly cannot be turned against more than one fleet in succession. At best it might take out two or three ships that are more or less one behind another. In succession it might down a couple of ships next to each other. If we were doing this as hard SF you'd get capships fighting over days, taking hours to turn and shoot. That or getting blown away and firing like today's tanks.


What kind of Sci-Fi do you watch? When do space battles take days?

What kind of Sci-Fi do you watch? When do space battles take days?

Even in the Honorverse it only takes a few hours to enter or exit a system from the periphery, and Honorverse is slow as hell. And missiles are pretty damn fast.

What kind of Sci-Fi do you watch? When do space battles take days?

He is all to into The Laws of The Real World, too munch into it. He should watch Star Wars.

Yeah, and I've never seen a ship take hours to turn...the big cap ships in SW take several minutes, while in ST the cruisers can turn in seconds...

Everyone don't lissen to this, Tech advencement WILL Be alowed

I would say that as soon as hostilities initiate, a person goes in with whatever technologies they have at the beginning of the battle and cannot introduce new technologies as the situation progresses, particularly with respect to battles. You cannot perform years of research in the span of a single combat scene as that would be godmodding.

:p Horribly wrong in fact. I have hugeass ships, and my hugeass ships kill OTHER hugeass ships in one volley. MMII SDN=6 miles MMDN=4 CoelocanthBC=2 miles. ISD=1 mile EclipseSSD=17km(some 10 odd miles).

MMIII Flagship=16km.

Only MMII and MMIII can kill anything decently sized with one volley. There are a total of EIGHT of those ships in my entire navy. There are 21 MMs, and they can take a SSD in one volley, but only at 3-1 odds, and with the assistance of a few BCs(assuming perfect accuracy). BCs require 10-1 odds to take an SSD in one volley, again assuming perfect accuracy. They are also some of the slowestrand least maneuverable ships in FT, since the fastest of them can only accelerate at about 6kps squared. Think of them as BIG tank-like things, slow, hard to kill, and heavily armed.

I'm NOT introducing my downsized Navy here for a reason. That reason is the number of opponents, since an SD(p) has so many vulnerabilities and openings at close range that it's not even funny. They're still slow as all hell, at something like 4-odd kps squared of acceleration. They are not fast, or really heavily armed, and ther are 0 fighters in this tech base, meaning I need an idea for anti-fighter spam, other than using nukes on them.

Downsized ship=largest is 4km and change. There are a little over 70 odd of them in the entire Navy.


Defending yourself with Wanking is not a good way to defend your wanking. You wank, say you won't and then get carried away again...

Yeah, and I've never seen a ship take hours to turn...the big cap ships in SW take several minutes, while in ST the cruisers can turn in seconds...

Yep.

:p


Defending yourself with Wanking is not a good way to defend your wanking. You wank, say you won't and then get carried away again...

It's only wank if enough people complain, most people are happy to see one last gasp from the Terrans, before smaller ships appear on the scene.

Another thing worth mentioning along this same subject, developing counters.

You will not be able to develop a counter to tech used against you very easily. Most of these Techs represent years of research and development by the other nation and it should not be countered in 10 minutes by a nation that has never posted anything upon the tech.

True. You may be able to counter one thing by a nation, like Xeno countering lasers, ie, but something can beat you from a nation's arsenal.

I don't mind if someone thinks of a way to counter something I have, spends the time needed to R&D the counter, and then tries it out on a ship or two before installing it on their entire fleet. I would test it out on a ship I wouldn't mind losing if the prototype failed instead of a flagship or other high aspect vessel.

After the test, I would then have to recall some ships to make the adjustments (physical) or attempt to make some sort of data tranmission for information how to implement it if it can be done in the field.

This would take time IC and any ships tied up by refitting would be out of comission for a battle or so. In field refits run the danger of not being done correctly if done under fire.

Also, adapting current systems might protect you against the weapon used if they were modifies, but it might change that system so normal oe some other type of attack would now affect you. Adjusting your shields to protect you from the enemies multi-phasic torpedoes might inadvertantly open you to subspace attacks, as an example.

I am just trying to suggest logic here.

I don't mind if someone thinks of a way to counter something I have, spends the time needed to R&D the counter, and then tries it out on a ship or two before installing it on their entire fleet. I would test it out on a ship I wouldn't mind losing if the prototype failed instead of a flagship or other high aspect vessel.

After the test, I would then have to recall some ships to make the adjustments (physical) or attempt to make some sort of data tranmission for information how to implement it if it can be done in the field.

This would take time IC and any ships tied up by refitting would be out of comission for a battle or so. In field refits run the danger of not being done correctly if done under fire.

Also, adapting current systems might protect you against the weapon used if they were modifies, but it might change that system so normal oe some other type of attack would now affect you. Adjusting your shields to protect you from the enemies multi-phasic torpedoes might inadvertantly open you to subspace attacks, as an example.

I am just trying to suggest logic here.
You mean like in-thread and RP upgrades? What I was simply talking about was inbred resistances to certain classes of weaponry, ie plasma, energy, mass drivers, etc, that form the basis for a civ's defense, but leave it weaker to other weapon classes.

Yes, I did mean any techs developed to counter any attacks which would be part of the RP in general.

Until you have IC knowlege of an attack, you cannot begin developing the counter. This usually means a ship that survived the specific attack managed to get back to report somehow the nature and details of the weapon involved. This is important to note because until the nation in question gets actual samples/reading they have nothing to work from. All common sense.

What constitutes a "sample" should be determined between the two players and the counter must actually work in order for it to be sucessful. The sucess would be discovered during the field test of the prototype. Now, the first nation needs to get a "sample" of the prototype in order to discover the weakness to counter the counter.

Just like an arms race but during battles.


Now, those "inbred resistances" you mentioned should be documented in past RPs and research/tech threads. that is the only way to prevent anyone from claiming you pulled something from your Ass-Space in an RP.

Bump

and as for Countering something, I am Planning on Countering FTLi Fields

A possibility if you knew how the one you were trying to counter worked and had the tech to do it.

This sounds like fun

This sounds like fun

If you are Joining, Which Alliance?

Hm, not sure. Tell me a bit about them

I'm tentatively in as a neutral, FT.

One Big Bump

Can I join? I'd like to join the Galactic Empire Alliance. I'm a Modern - Future tech Nation.

Can I join? Please hence my name, it shouldn't be hard.

How Magic would work with FT and MT would be kinda hard though...

How Magic would work with FT and MT would be kinda hard though...

Chaos Magick anyone? It defines some of Chrons stuff, and explains how a Warp Cathedral operates. Magick happens alot in FT, like Psionics, or Coredian Alchemists, or what have ye.

Chaos Magick anyone? It defines some of Chrons stuff, and explains how a Warp Cathedral operates. Magick happens alot in FT, like Psionics, or Coredian Alchemists, or what have ye.
Oh. I was thinking in terms of Gandalf and Harry Potter...stereotype magic...

Oh. I was thinking in terms of Gandalf and Harry Potter...stereotype magic...

My GF isthe preiere Magick using nation on NS... She uses Drow, and is FT. The differencebetween FT and Magitech are rather few to be honest, we can't explain half of it without treknobabble, it does things that are practically impossible, and has a lot of fun things involved, when you mix the 2 it gives you some interestiong RP possibilities.

Nevermind, cleary not welcome

My GF isthe preiere Magick using nation on NS... She uses Drow, and is FT. The differencebetween FT and Magitech are rather few to be honest, we can't explain half of it without treknobabble, it does things that are practically impossible, and has a lot of fun things involved, when you mix the 2 it gives you some interestiong RP possibilities.
Ah, I see ya...

Magic and Psionics have allways been a part of my nation. The results would be simular but one cannot defend against the other.

M&S, please reconsider your choice in not joining. If you wanted to, this could be an opportunity to become one of the space faring races incorperating magic into their technology. There have been many in the past and there will still be. I can name Godular, Chronosia, Mini Miehm, and myself from the top of my head of those already joined in the war. If you are not a space faring race, you could be considered a "MT" nation and defend yourself or get a ride from another nation you would be aligned with to the battlefield.

It'll be fun.

If you want, I could even assist you some way if we meet here IC.

Days or more applies when you are doing hard SF. I've watched all the SW except Ep 3, and the issue of inertia has not shown itself. Of course, it depends on the realism factor you're doing - If it's just Sci-Fi (Space Ghost level) you'll get capships whipping around in seconds. If it's SF (Star Wars, Star Trek) you'll have minutes to hours. In hard SF (Arthur C. Clarke, Isaac Asimov) you get wars being plotted out months in advance, ships being whipped around stars to turn and combat being done in passes.

Everyone don't lissen to this, Tech advencement WILL Be alowed


Tech advancement obviously is allowed, but it depends on your time scale - Just how fast can you field test then retrofit/integrate into your ships? Right, say I figure out how to thwart FTLi and I try a few proto-ships out and they work. Now, I now need to redesign my ships to incorporate this new development and cycle them for retrofitting. Unlike Starcraft and other RTSes, developing something does not suddenly give it to all ships.

If I develop a method of thwarting FTLi, it doesn't mean that every ship will have it. Deployment to fields and eventually mass propogation will not happen for quite some time. Designing the Panzer IV did not make all the old Panzer IIIs transform into Panzer IVs - there had to be new ones produced.

A shield breaching gun does not come into play except as a weapon on new vessels for some time. At best it will take you around two battles to cycle in new developments to your ships to reasonable extent. And that assumes you have a medium navy and you're the defender.

New technology will be clunky, expensive and inferior at first, because the extensive redesign and refinement that perfects the design and makes it usable en masse. The Tank when it was first developed was far less dangerous and far more vulnerable compared to those deployed years later in WW2. The V2 was nothing more than a large flying bomb, but it still was advanced compared to the V1. Both of them pale in comparison to modern cruise missiles, able to strike across long distances and cause extensive damage. Prototype drones may concievably develop into full military automation, wars fought between robotic vehicles and soldiers. Nowadays they are prohibitively expensive but in the near future may become affordable enough to be distributed as commercial goods.

Computers are an excellent example. When ENIAC was developed by the military it was a colossal, room filling thing run by push buttons. It could do basic addition, subtraction, multiplication and division - what we can do with a tiny calculator that fits in the palms of our hands. Computers used to be huge devices owned only by the finest institutions and costed millions. Now they can be packed into something the size of an encyclopedia volume, costing only hundreds. Now calculators costing mere hundreds can calculate squares, functions and equations - something which ENIAC could only do a mere fraction of for half a million dollars.


Now, to deal with your 'you are odd' statement.

If you've got something which will resist your opponent's weaponry, then, as Balrogga said, you must document and roleplay the development and deployment. Pretty much everything Balrogga said there I'll second.

Actually, since I've just noticed you said you're inviting me, why the hell not (just for kicks, of course :)). I'll join as a neutral. Just so you know, the CDP have fled after breaking their leaders out and are no longer an issue.

Thank you Hakurabi, I was wondering if anyone noticed I even posted those suggestions.

I am glad someone wants to go about this realistically.

Within the course of this role play, if anyone manages to invade and capture mainland Hataria, Western Hataria will not be taken as well (without forcing me to enter the battle, reluctantly, on the side of Hataria) as I currently occupy that zone.

hey, can someone explain this whole war thing like how it works and all
thanks,
prometheus and bob

hey, can someone explain this whole war thing like how it works and all
thanks,
prometheus and bob

Read the Stickys

Days or more applies when you are doing hard SF. I've watched all the SW except Ep 3, and the issue of inertia has not shown itself. Of course, it depends on the realism factor you're doing - If it's just Sci-Fi (Space Ghost level) you'll get capships whipping around in seconds. If it's SF (Star Wars, Star Trek) you'll have minutes to hours. In hard SF (Arthur C. Clarke, Isaac Asimov) you get wars being plotted out months in advance, ships being whipped around stars to turn and combat being done in passes.


While the "Space Ghost" level is a little crazy, how fun is Rping a battle that lasts months...you can't do that in a campaign (ie Star Wars and the Clone Wars) that's spread across light years.

How about we just RP?


Just my 2 cents.

The man has a point...

On the subject of magic I will simply inform you all that I use it, warp-based magic and Daemons, in all their 40k glory. :) Be prepared for violent possession, rending reality, and bizarre rites, experiments and assaults

How about we just RP?


Just my 2 cents.
The Truth is Spoken!

*Waiting patiently*


EDIT: Has anyone even came up with a good IC reason for this war? Just wondering.

While the "Space Ghost" level is a little crazy, how fun is Rping a battle that lasts months...you can't do that in a campaign (ie Star Wars and the Clone Wars) that's spread across light years.

Hakurabi does it because his Ships are as Slow as snails, If he had it "HIS way" all Capital ships in ALL FT RPs would be going at the Speed of a Snail.

*Waiting patiently*


EDIT: Has anyone even came up with a good IC reason for this war? Just wondering.

the Prologe will tell how it starts, and since CW isn;t showing up, me and Chronosia have to do the Prologe.

and The Sign up/OOC thread (This Thread) will be open through out the War and the prologe.

and also, you guys can make your own Side stories for the War. and also The war will not be all Battles. Spy Missions, Character stories and other things will be in this.

(Keep it civil, here. Hataria, I'd call that a flame - you're not even addressing my arguments.)

Actually, Hataria, if all laws of physics applied ships would be zipping about at anywhere between 0.01c to 0.5c pounding each other in passes, but the fact is that the greater the mass of the ship the harder it is to turn. Star destroyers have rear mounted thrusters - Turning them would be similar to running forward with a 1.6km metal pole and trying to turn. You would need to turn like an automobile, and it would take significant time due to the lack of large turning thrusters. The center of gravity is on the rear of the ship, and you have to turn it as such.

Actually, if you locked even more physical laws into place, ignoring the literary need for long, drawn out battles, combat would take place in seconds - many FT weapons will outstrip any sort of defence exceedingly rapidly. You would get a game of cat and mouse with bazookas.

The whole point of the months comment is because your superheavies, despite being the same speed as a smaller ship, are too heavy (mass wise) to turn rapidly and therefore their course must be plotted out in advance. No fancy maneuvering can take place, and if it's going fast enough one could just put boulder-sized chunks of metal in its path and it'd turn itself into an enormous cloud of metal sheets.

As an avid reader of Hard SF I feel that where possible realism should be adhered to.

Mind you, as I said before, I'll join, just for kicks.

(Keep it civil, here. Hataria, I'd call that a flame - you're not even addressing my arguments.)

Actually, Hataria, if all laws of physics applied ships would be zipping about at anywhere between 0.01c to 0.5c pounding each other in passes, but the fact is that the greater the mass of the ship the harder it is to turn. Star destroyers have rear mounted thrusters - Turning them would be similar to running forward with a 1.6km metal pole and trying to turn. You would need to turn like an automobile, and it would take significant time due to the lack of large turning thrusters. The center of gravity is on the rear of the ship, and you have to turn it as such.

Actually, if you locked even more physical laws into place, ignoring the literary need for long, drawn out battles, combat would take place in seconds - many FT weapons will outstrip any sort of defence exceedingly rapidly. You would get a game of cat and mouse with bazookas.

The whole point of the months comment is because your superheavies, despite being the same speed as a smaller ship, are too heavy (mass wise) to turn rapidly and therefore their course must be plotted out in advance. No fancy maneuvering can take place, and if it's going fast enough one could just put boulder-sized chunks of metal in its path and it'd turn itself into an enormous cloud of metal sheets.

As an avid reader of Hard SF I feel that where possible realism should be adhered to.

Mind you, as I said before, I'll join, just for kicks.
About the weapons and defenses, defenses are developed to counter those such weapons, through the use of shields, missiles, energy clouds, etc. Also, the use of elements still unknown in RL contribute a lot.

Truth be told though in many combat situations it all comes down to distance. After all, even the largest of vessels would be traveling at a goodly portion of C, and there's always momentum that one needs to worry about. For the larger vessels one has to take into account the method of propulsion used, and how it would affect any attempts to actually change operational vectors. Asteroids is actually a very good simulator of this.

As a result, in order to avoid smacking into each other, each combatting vessel would have to keep a distance on the order of several thousand kilometers from each other. In many cases, fighting vessels rarely even catch sight of each other, instead relying upon computerized targeting apparatus. In this manner it would be relatively easy to institute deflection shields and sensor jamming as viable defensive mechanisms and actually have them operate just as well as any other form of shielding.

Kinda like submarine combat with frills, if anything.

See, that would be the thing - Anything that can be turned to defence can far more easily be used on the offensive. You cannot hide in space, due to thermal emissions, since if you don't waste it into space you end up with a well done crew. If not, you are painfully obvious to anyone with rudimentary IR scanners.

However, if there are any anomalies interfering with detection, such as a nebula or near-star combat, detection may or may not be more difficult - If one has the appropriate array of sensors one can thwart any stealth technology. Then there lies the simple matter of blowing a hole where you expect the ship to be. If not, you simply shoot missiles/mines/bombs/rocks/tinfoil cones in front of them and they'll be struck by the debris - no need to add extra speed to them, the high speed of the ship itself will do your job for you.

Shields are an unknown factor in this - they are normally the device that forces long, drawn out conflicts. However, then you must ask yourself how your shields work. If they're two-directional, how do you shoot through them? A more complex issue is that of a one-directional shield - one you can shoot through and the enemy can't. This implies one of two things:

a) You are exploiting a weakness in your own shields to fire through them. (Firing grav weapons through a shield that does not stop grav weapons)
That means that if your enemy is also using the same weapons your ship is toast - unless of course they use the same shields. Then both of you are toast. In space there's time to shoot back.

b) Your shield is a threshhold shield.
This can be a dangerous shield to use, as if an enemy has more powerful weapons than your shields can handle, either all the power will go through or it will only be lessened by your threshhold. With the power of FT weaponry there is little use for such a shield except as a foil against space debris or on a planetary scale.

Now, you must extend any sensors to the outside of the shield to use them, unless whatever the sensor uses to scan is something not stopped by your field - in which case using a weapon based on such a form of energy will punch straight through your shields. It would not take long to adapt. If they are extended they will be constantly shot off and a ship would need reserves.

Two directional shields are most likely strobed, or if not, holes opened in them with some sort of influencing energy. This then creates the issue of the method you use to open it - if it involves influencing the field with further energy then if your opponent knows this they can use the same principle to weaken or bypass your shields. If they are strobed and your opponent figures out your strobe, you're toast. A lot of things can thwart shielding without too much trouble if a sufficient array of weaponry is available.


However, the real finisher is that of heat. Radiators cannot be shielded or armoured, because such an act would defeat the purpose: removing waste heat from the ship. Using it with a shield that does not stop heat would defeat the purpose of the shield, as firing upon the shield would create heat around it and melt the generator and subsequently the radiator. Without radiators your ship melts and your crew die horrible deaths, and the problem of heat wasting is excarberated by firing weapons, which create even more heat. Now, in combat one could concievably retract the radiators and run with heat sinks, but this is a very temporary solution and you will start cooking after mere minutes of heat sink operation, less so if you're shooting. Granted, larger heat sinks may prolong your combat time, but this forces you to have a larger ship, and if you try to add more weapons the problem comes back. One could haul around a large asteroid to avoid this, but then inertia comes back into play.

Now, why can't we just leave the radiators out? I'll tell you why: If shot off you will have next to no heat wasting capability compared to when the radiators were still on, and your ship is cooked. I've already explained how you need to have a large asteroid to survive without radiators for any concievable amount of time, but otherwise you cannot survive for more than a few minutes on heatsinks. This might give you enough time to use escape pods and surrender, but not much else. Without radiators the ship is lost as its components and hull resolve themselves into a heap of metal and plastics.

See, that would be the thing - Anything that can be turned to defence can far more easily be used on the offensive. You cannot hide in space, due to thermal emissions, since if you don't waste it into space you end up with a well done crew. If not, you are painfully obvious to anyone with rudimentary IR scanners.

However, if there are any anomalies interfering with detection, such as a nebula or near-star combat, detection may or may not be more difficult - If one has the appropriate array of sensors one can thwart any stealth technology. Then there lies the simple matter of blowing a hole where you expect the ship to be. If not, you simply shoot missiles/mines/bombs/rocks/tinfoil cones in front of them and they'll be struck by the debris - no need to add extra speed to them, the high speed of the ship itself will do your job for you.

Shields are an unknown factor in this - they are normally the device that forces long, drawn out conflicts. However, then you must ask yourself how your shields work. If they're two-directional, how do you shoot through them? A more complex issue is that of a one-directional shield - one you can shoot through and the enemy can't. This implies one of two things:

a) You are exploiting a weakness in your own shields to fire through them. (Firing grav weapons through a shield that does not stop grav weapons)
That means that if your enemy is also using the same weapons your ship is toast - unless of course they use the same shields. Then both of you are toast. In space there's time to shoot back.

b) Your shield is a threshhold shield.
This can be a dangerous shield to use, as if an enemy has more powerful weapons than your shields can handle, either all the power will go through or it will only be lessened by your threshhold. With the power of FT weaponry there is little use for such a shield except as a foil against space debris or on a planetary scale.

Now, you must extend any sensors to the outside of the shield to use them, unless whatever the sensor uses to scan is something not stopped by your field - in which case using a weapon based on such a form of energy will punch straight through your shields. It would not take long to adapt. If they are extended they will be constantly shot off and a ship would need reserves.

Two directional shields are most likely strobed, or if not, holes opened in them with some sort of influencing energy. This then creates the issue of the method you use to open it - if it involves influencing the field with further energy then if your opponent knows this they can use the same principle to weaken or bypass your shields. If they are strobed and your opponent figures out your strobe, you're toast. A lot of things can thwart shielding without too much trouble if a sufficient array of weaponry is available.


However, the real finisher is that of heat. Radiators cannot be shielded or armoured, because such an act would defeat the purpose: removing waste heat from the ship. Using it with a shield that does not stop heat would defeat the purpose of the shield, as firing upon the shield would create heat around it and melt the generator and subsequently the radiator. Without radiators your ship melts and your crew die horrible deaths, and the problem of heat wasting is excarberated by firing weapons, which create even more heat. Now, in combat one could concievably retract the radiators and run with heat sinks, but this is a very temporary solution and you will start cooking after mere minutes of heat sink operation, less so if you're shooting. Granted, larger heat sinks may prolong your combat time, but this forces you to have a larger ship, and if you try to add more weapons the problem comes back. One could haul around a large asteroid to avoid this, but then inertia comes back into play.

Now, why can't we just leave the radiators out? I'll tell you why: If shot off you will have next to no heat wasting capability compared to when the radiators were still on, and your ship is cooked. I've already explained how you need to have a large asteroid to survive without radiators for any concievable amount of time, but otherwise you cannot survive for more than a few minutes on heatsinks. This might give you enough time to use escape pods and surrender, but not much else. Without radiators the ship is lost as its components and hull resolve themselves into a heap of metal and plastics.
You're right about trying to hide. Nothing can hide from gravity, and if you have a gravfield sensor array, you can pick up anything which has mass.
There still is a third kind of shield-that would involve making a small hole in the shield to allow your weapon to escape from and close that shield immediately after weapon fire. To do that, however, you must link your shield network to the main firing computers, so your shield grid could be knocked out with computer damage. Or an enemy's weapons could simply get lucky and go through your shield hole.

EDIT: Whups, you addressed that already.

Count me in, I will be joining as FT. If I can be a member of a seperate alliance of those listed, toss me in the IUSS group, if not, make me neutral.

Count me in, I will be joining as FT. If I can be a member of a seperate alliance of those listed, toss me in the IUSS group, if not, make me neutral.

You can't make a new Alliance

That is why I asked, and gave the alternative.

That is why I asked, and gave the alternative.


ok

When and Where is this starting?

When and Where is this starting?

Once I tell Chronosia to start The Prologe, since CW isn't here.

Where is this gonna take place? On a seperate of NS forums..

Independant

A bit bogged down in internal conflict, some border clashes with The Kingdom of Alidor (I hope for a quick detante).

So no infecting my own troops with HE80 or any other performance enhancing diseases/drugs (I hope I can still give them Mountain Doobie and other narcotic beverages/sports drinks)?

Has this started yet?

Where is this gonna take place? On a seperate of NS forums..
Wait, that wording confused me...this is on NS or on a different forum?

Wait, that wording confused me...this is on NS or on a different forum?

It'll bew on NS, just like the last one was.

Ah, ok. I don't think I was around for the last one...

Ah, ok. I don't think I was around for the last one...

That's cool. It happened last summer, so you weren't. I made my big debut, and Rogue Six was much pitied.

Bump, The Prologe will start

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10631463#post10631463

Prologe is up. It is Closed, Between Me, CW and Chronosia

To everyone Here. This is the List of The Three Commanding Nations

Hataria (Cobra Moon)
Chronosia (The Galactic Empire)
CoreWorlds (The Freedom Alliance.)

and when The War starts, those Nation in The "Not Part of Any Alliance" will be alowed to Make their own Alliances.

Granted of course CW never said in this thread that he'd actually participate...

:p Granted of course CW never said in this thread that he'd actually participate...

I asked him on Messenger and he is going to be in it so :P:p

Oh well. Doesn't change the fact that he really has the same political situation against TCG because ya broke the surrender agreement.

Bump

You seem to be ignoring the fact that I stated interest in joining several times. You've yet to acknowledge that.

Again: I will join as a Neutral.

Also, you still took too few losses from orbital bombardment. Nothing changes that. There are more people to be killed within a 1km radius crater than 120.

hmmm....

You are forgeting that people have been known to crawl out of nuclear craters and survive. No bomb/superweapon produces 100% casualties 100% of the time.

It all depends upon bomb saturation, blast radi, population density, and other variables.

No Bmb produces 100% casulties 100% of the time.

Find ANY that kills everything all the time, and chances are you just missed somthing.

Kind of like the old saying:

"You can lie to everyone some of the time, and some people all the time, but you can NEVER lie to everyone All of the time."

Made by a self taught American lawyer and politician, Abraham Lincoln.

In this case it applies to explosions, and death.

Inbetween; a world that dwarfed even fabled Nar-Shaddaa in total criminal anarachy. It was, regardless, a world of the Cassiopeians and the first to come under the baleful, bloodshot eye of the lord of the invasion fleet; Lucian. The Right hand of the Emperor, he blessed of Pyaray and Nurgle, their instrument upon the universe; a universe he swore to scour into decay and apathetic entropy.

Here would be a fine beginning.

"My Lord; we have readouts on the world." A holographic representation sprung into existence, caressed by the fingers of the black lord of plague. He smiled softly beneath his helmet; gesturing so that fine points of red appeared across the map.

"These are the sites for primary bombardment and these-" Another gesture brought a sprinkling of blue dots "Are the sites for Space Marine deployment"

"Aye, my Lord."

"Open fire immediately; and order the battlegroups to link up with our positions. Here begins the doom of men"

The mighty cannons of the Pride of Pyaray and the other ships began to thunder; missles and torpedoes, and gouts of raw energy, hurled towards the world; Dreadclaw Assault pods began their tumultous descent towards the assaulted world below; Thunderhawk Gunships, Swiftdeath fighters and Doomfire bombers began their planned deployment and attack runs...It had begun
People were Soon Running when the Blasts came, Buildings Fell in ruins and already, 120 Beings were killed. Inbetween was Under Attack.

This is my opinion only and I am going off those two posts

People were running for cover when the blasts came. That means there was no early warning so there was no reason to be under cover. This means there were a lot of unprepaired people out in the streets.

Building are falling, probably crushing those running and searching for cover from the orbital bombardment. The areas of Ground Zero were probably vaporized instantly. Think of the scenes with the small basketball sized impacts in Armagedden if you want a visual. This same example had several buildings falling and people getting crushed and blown to bits (except for that one dog - an example of how some can survive). Paris was the result of a large impact, I think.

I know I am using an example of a movie but you also have to remember, these are cannons, missiles, Torpedoes, and assult pods hitting Inbetween, what sounds like a large and very populated world. Chron used "the Pride of Pyaray and the other ships" in the assult so there should have been one HELL of energy directed at the planet.

Well, just hope he decides to re-estimate the body count, and if that is still too low for you, you can do what real people do in war, try again.

People were Soon Running when the Blasts came, Buildings Fell in ruins and already, 120 Beings were killed. Inbetween was Under Attack.

In TCG's defense I have to point out this sounds like an initial casuality count. Hopefully there will be subsequent additions once they know the real numbers.

did this begin yet, and am I in it yet (running 3 similar ones at same time, plus 5 others)

They are still in the Prolog.

I wish things would be going faster.

so the IC thread hasn't started yet?

Sadly, no. The two posts I quoted are basicly all that happened so far.

*Sigh...twiddling thumbs...*

You do realise that I'm only "falling for the plan" in terms of destroying one lab; I chose to attack Inbetween before, in the thread that this continues from; and would have slagged the world into nothingness anyway ;)

I think you'll find my dear little Sith, that your going to be on the recievign end of a rather elaborate plot; by way of which vengeance will be had ;)

:mp5: Sign me up for the Alliance of Freedom. I wanna get in on this.:mp5:

BTW: I'm FT:gundge:

Is this related to the invasion of the GE during its civil war? If so, the Inferno (FT) wants in.



We'll defend GE and GFFA alike. Any who attack us should be aware that we shall extract from your blood ten times that inflicted apon us.

If possible, could I sign up on the neutral side?

On pretext of having an alliance with both TFU and No Endorse, not to mention Godular, and several others, the Empire of Thrashia will be getting invovled.

Seeing as TCG has broken several trade, alliance, and treaty agreements, any ties the Empire might have had with this disenchanted nation, are broken. An official enactment and declaration will be forth coming.

Slap me down as FT for the GE. Oh, and:

Prologue

I started posting in the IC a while ago, not knowing that this thread existed. I guess I should sign up for FT GE?

Please play out the intercept. It is important because it affects the TFU aspect of the invasion.

Please play out the intercept. It is important because it affects the TFU aspect of the invasion.

Interception of forces? Ah, your talking about that force-interception correct? Nvm, not involved.

So...why is it that we have two conflicts involved, that is the GE civil war, and then this act of insanity?

TCG decided to involve the GE civil war thingie with his NS War II scenerio. I ambushed his 57 destroyers on the way to TFU to provide support to Hataria's MT invasion of TFU.

Here is the post. (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10725321&postcount=24)

Godular and I worked with TCG for an alternative to complete destruction of his forces (the logical conclusion given the specifics of the post) Sunday morning/afternoon but so far he has not bothered to post the results.

I hope this is not what the RP will be like...

I hope this is not what the RP will be like...

Don't we all? :)

I guess I should 'sign up' seeing as I am in the GE.

Nuetral, MT with a little bit of FT here and there

I guess I should 'sign up' seeing as I am in the GE.

Oh yeah, I should add that I am FT (though I guess it is kind of obvious based on being in the GE).

Uh, so HOW do MTs get involved in this FT war?

Have you ever read 'In the Balence' by Harry Turttledove? Either like that or in a 'fleet gets lost and lands on random planet and goes to war against natives, who vastly outnumber it' way

You could also arrange for one of yout FT allies to provide transport.

For TCG'a benefit, here are the specs and details on the techonolgy, units, and type of weapons that my Specials use.

LINK (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=460984)

Can I still get in on this guys? I was in the last one and would like to partcipate here too. Considering the actual war thread only ahs two pages, I figured that it wouldn't be a problem. But if you don't want me that's cool too. I'll be on the Alliance of Freedom side considering when full blown combat breaks out they it'll be 12 on 8 in favor of the GE and that just ain't kosher.

Can I still get in on this guys? I was in the last one and would like to partcipate here too. Considering the actual war thread only ahs two pages, I figured that it wouldn't be a problem. But if you don't want me that's cool too. I'll be on the Alliance of Freedom side considering when full blown combat breaks out they it'll be 12 on 8 in favor of the GE and that just ain't kosher.

*MM is too lazy to log out his puppet this time, so he will comment as this small thing*

You may or may not remember me. The odds here are partially TCGs fault, nd partially ours. As the GE is unarguably the last of the Big Three, it is the most powerful alliance remaining in FT. It is no longer QUITE the largest, but the nations that make it up are simply bigger and more experienced. When TCG invaded the GE he opened a can of worms, and he does not know how to close it. Now, the odds were already poor for everyone else in the beginning, as we're all generally lageish, and evil.

I personally have no issues with your joining, I support it in fact, just to make things interesting. I justthought it was worth commenting on about the current state of the rosters.

Aight, I'm taking it out of the IC thread.

OOC: I don't Know what is going on, all I know is that this guy named Khurgan Just Showed up out of nowhere and Attacked TCG's fleet, now saying he Showed up with out RPing his Fleet at his Home world is just Plan God Mod by the looks of it.

Khurgan is pretty much the war admiral of the GE from what I can tell. I may be wrong though. Anyways, he'd most DEFINATLY be in the neighborhood, and can fast respond. Other than his fleet, he was using GE defenses that would be there anyways...

But oh well. If he has to leave, I'm still nearby (just outside the FTLi), and those GE ships are still there. So its the choice between fighting him and generic GE forces and fighting me and generic GE forces. (plus whoever else decides to come help) It's not a GodMode. In real life, does the US ALWAYS have its forces docked? No. There are always a bunch of forces out patrolling, so reaction times are rapid.

Aight, I'm taking it out of the IC thread.



Khurgan is pretty much the war admiral of the GE from what I can tell. I may be wrong though. Anyways, he'd most DEFINATLY be in the neighborhood, and can fast respond. Other than his fleet, he was using GE defenses that would be there anyways...

But oh well. If he has to leave, I'm still nearby (just outside the FTLi), and those GE ships are still there. So its the choice between fighting him and generic GE forces and fighting me and generic GE forces. (plus whoever else decides to come help) It's not a GodMode. In real life, does the US ALWAYS have its forces docked? No. There are always a bunch of forces out patrolling, so reaction times are rapid.

Get off IRC. The important people are all on AIM or MSN. There are things that must be discussed.

Get off IRC. The important people are all on AIM or MSN. There are things that must be discussed.

Don't listen to him, all the important people are on IRC!

Don't listen to him, all the important people are on IRC!

I'm more important than you! IRC is for losers! *kills the IRC loser, with a fish*

Get off IRC. The important people are all on AIM or MSN. There are things that must be discussed.

I really hate my parents. Technically, I'd be a major player for the GE, but I don't have AIM or MSN. They won't let me have it. It's very frustraiting for things like this. Again, I only have an Email address if anyone is interested.

I really hate my parents. Technically, I'd be a major player for the GE, but I don't have AIM or MSN. They won't let me have it. It's very frustraiting for things like this. Again, I only have an Email address if anyone is interested.

I've heard. That truly DOES suck man. Try AIM Express. All you need is an AIM account, not the AIM software. I dunno if anyone told you about it before or not. If you want I can link you to the page tonight when I get on my Mac.

I'm more important than you! IRC is for losers! *kills the IRC loser, with a fish*

*Steps out of the way and blows MM's brains out with a .45.*

*Steps out of the way and blows MM's brains out with a .45.*

*MM posts with the proper nmation this time*

*Has no brains, unaffected by .45* What was that bang? *beats you with a salmon*

:p

I've heard. That truly DOES suck man. Try AIM Express. All you need is an AIM account, not the AIM software. I dunno if anyone told you about it before or not. If you want I can link you to the page tonight when I get on my Mac.

Mac user too? Awsome. The one I'm using is outdated now compaired to the newer Windows Xp's or the Intel iMacs. I'm getting a new iMac this summer when I go to college.

I'd like the link.... Perhaps I could briefly talk every now and then durring vacation.

Mac user too? Awsome. The one I'm using is outdated now compaired to the newer Windows Xp's or the Intel iMacs. I'm getting a new iMac this summer when I go to college.

I'd like the link.... Perhaps I could briefly talk every now and then durring vacation.

Yeah. I'm on the GOOD PC right now. My Mac is an old 9.1. You'd have to set up an account, but you OUGHTA be able to do that alone. I'll post the link tonight when I get on the Mac, some time around 8:30-9 eastern. Trust me, yours CANNOT be any more outdated than the POS I have to use.

Ahright? Ahright.

Yeah. I'm on the GOOD PC right now. My Mac is an old 9.1. You'd have to set up an account, but you OUGHTA be able to do that alone. I'll post the link tonight when I get on the Mac, some time around 8:30-9 eastern. Trust me, yours CANNOT be any more outdated than the POS I have to use.

Actually, it's not. I'm just complaining. It's technically 3 years old (Emac G4). With the price dad payed for it, however, he could've gotten me a new iMac which is almost twice as fast and more powerful for approximatly same price.


Ahright? Ahright.

Cool. Just get it to me whenever possible. I've been waiting for a while. What's a few more hours?

Actually, it's not. I'm just complaining. It's technically 3 years old (Emac G4). With the price dad payed for it, however, he could've gotten me a new iMac which is almost twice as fast and more powerful for approximatly same price.



Cool. Just get it to me whenever possible. I've been waiting for a while. What's a few more hours?

I dunno. So long as you can set up an account(easy) you don't need to install the software. Now we make plans tonight! Or tomorrow, or whatever...

*MM posts with the proper nmation this time*

*Has no brains, unaffected by .45* What was that bang? *beats you with a salmon*

:p

*Looks around, pulls dolphin, beats MM with dolphin* :p

*Looks around, pulls dolphin, beats MM with dolphin* :p

*draws swordfish, impales you*

This may sound stupid, but what planet am I on?

This may sound stupid, but what planet am I on?

Assume you can interfere with Hat and Coredia, that way you can get involved.

Ok, here are the necessary links. http://www.aim.com/

http://www.aim.com/get_aim/express/aim_expr.adp?sem=1&ncid=AIMAIM00170000000009

First is to register your account. Second is AIM Express, you may have to mess with it a bit to get it to work. I have to use the older version to use it. With AIM Express you don't need the software, so you should be clean.

Not sure if anybody would notice PROHT mobilising 80% of it's Navy
And 50% of its Air force
And has set its ground forces to High Alert

PROHT task force (old):
One 'B' Class Heavy Cruiser
Two Tango(ish) class SSKs
Three Supply ships
Two very Large LCACs
Sailors: 1,000
Airborne:
5 MH-47
16 UL-2000
Ground force:
2,000 Marines
500 MMP-1 UAVs
500 RPG-7/29
500 CM-249
1,000 CM-16
25 HT-101 AFV
25 HT-5 Logistics trucks
25 CC-5 Cannons
25 MC-5 Mortars
PROHT Task force (New, peacetime)
One Hiragi class Arsenal ship/Heavy cruiser
<<All else same as above>>

PROHT Assault Force (Wartime invasion standard)
One or more Task forces

HTS Independance
500 men
5 V-22 Ospreys
7 FMX-6B
5 CH-47
12 UL-2000
And/Or
Land based CAS
And
Parts of Army Airborne Division:
20,000 men in 3 Brigades
9 KC-130J
9 C-17
9 B-52
1 XRF-4J
10 EF-4J
10 BF-4J
Mechanized Marine Resserve Division
15,500 men
125 HT-101
125 HT-501
125 HT-5
125 CC-5
125 MC-5
100 T-90
3 C-17
20 CH-47
14 FMX-6B

For further information, look here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443280)

Most nations on Earth would notice a small nation inhabiting a group of islands between South America and the Galapagus Islands in the eastern Pacific upon the equator has initiated planetary sheilding around itself and the Space Tower. The purple glow of the Dimensional Sheilds would be easily visable even during the daytime.

I mention this because we are easily close to the action happening out of Brazil (Hataria) and the actions with the satilights and the spaceborne fleets would be visable to us, not to mention the sensor suites.

We are monitoring the situation because of the information we recieved when we heard about TCG sending reinforcements, which we intercepted. The data indicated an alliance between Hataria and Casseopia.

We are not taking any other actions against Hataria because we only hace IC reason to monitor them, other than defending ourselves against errant satilites.

True, PROHT would notice Hat's space program, but ICly, PROHT laughed at their dreams of living in space, PROHT meanwhile worked on weapons to shoot their stuff down with, and ways to get weapons systems into space (if just barely).

The dimensional thing never really sparked too much interest within the community.

PROHT isn't that big, 80% of our navy = 1/3rd of Hat's Cuban fleet. And therefore, must be very proactive in its usage and show of force in order to maintain a shaky peace.

Still, in the event of a PROHT vs FT Nations in ground war, invader's casualties will rise, quickly.

Honestly, the Empire will only react to Hataria if it takes an agressive action towards it, otherwise they are justified in monitoring it because of the connection with TCG.

If the TCG wouldn't have mentioned they were reinforcing Hataria, the Empire would have not bothered with Hataria other than normal monitoring of nations nearby the Balrogga Empire.

Honestly, I didn't know Hataria was so close to me. I think we only have Peru between us. Where is TFU on NS Earth that Hataria is sending a surface fleet against him? Who else is on Earth and where are they?

Apparently me.

For continuity, I'll be on Paupa New Giunea/Indonesia, with protectates in Federated States Micronesia and othe small outposts.

Hello neighbor. Since we are almost neighbors (if you don't take that puddel called the Pacific into account) you should stop by for a visit after this is all over.

We are the ones with a tower reaching into orbit so you cannot miss it.

Hataria, you need to respond to my missile strike on your carriers. Nothing can go forward until you do.

And I could really use some response to my moves in the invasion.

Apparently, nobody is claiming the satalite that I painted day-glow green. Or Notice PROHT's massive (if regular) mobolisation.

Sorry, I have no imposeing space towers, sprawling space program, uber-mechs, or any thing fancy, just flat out MT circa 2010 hardware. Maybe limited issue 2100 provided in limited procurement

(have a few plasma mortars, mounting them on HTM-136 [ROF 2 RPM] hull as HTPM-154K [ROF 100 RPM] the advantage of doing so is obvious, unless using CBW)

I figured it was aimed at the nations acting in that specific theater (CoreWorlds, Hataria, ect...) so I did not reply.

I hope it did nit come across that I was bragging when I mentioned the Space Tower. It is something I made IC about 18 months ago.

ICly, PROHT is laughing at the tower you made as a prime example of government waste.

OOCly, I see it as a techno marvel that would make getting big and powerful weapons systems into space, and I envy you for it.

PROHT sends its satalites up on the backs of planes and weather balloons to a set altitude, then fired off into space with a rocket. PROHT has made limited manned flights into sub-orbital space for moderate perdiods of time (1 hour).

In the Night's Dawn Trilogy (Reality Disfunction, Neutronium Alchemist, Naked God), they built one on a mountain in Brazil. The reason the tower was built was the numerous launchings of space craft caused the atmosphere to begin heating up between the direct application of the rocket boosters and the pollution of the launch process.

Besides, after the tower is built, you only need the energy for a large elevator or lift to get things into orbit. We also offered to put things into space for other nations at a substantially lower cost of a standard launch. These were to help offset the costs but the idea was apparently not considered so I never pushed it.

On other planets, the towers were built in space and lowered into place.

The top of the tower has an orbital city attached and the entire structure has been used for many things such as the main diplomatic section for embassys, and other things. Enough on the tower.

Now something about the game.


SecertIC: In the Bio Weapons Labs of Hatarian South China, a New More deadly Form of The Ebola Virus, The Mongol Srain.

Twice as deadly as bird Flu and Three Times more Deadly then The IG Vrius. the Mongol Vrius was a Real Killer, makeing The Victims Bleed Black Blood from the Nose and Mouth and Start Cooking from The Inside Out with a 300* Fever, Death with in Two Days.

This was Part of Operation: Dark Death, The Plan to Use Bio Warfare on The Fedral Union, if The Operation worked, Most of TFU would Die, and Hataria had the only Cure for The Mongol Vrius.

45 Corgo Ships, Flying The Flag of Automagfreek soon sailed out of Tangalee, to Infect TFU.

Normal IC

The Hatarian Government soon started doing Flu Shots just in case of a Bird Flu Outbreak.


A three hundred degree fever????? Impossible when you consider the blood would boil away at 212 degrees. Brain damage and death occurrs around half that amount. That is a lot of caloric energy needed to obtain that ammount of heat especially being sustained in order for the feaver to peak anywhere where you predict. I do not know the total needed but with the patient dying long before that, I don't think it would happen. Also, the virus would die from the exsposure to heat. That is how sterilizers work, the steamers kill with high tempatures.

Also, I believe the Ebola Virus is a lot deadlier than the Bird Flu. The Zaire version had up to a 90% mortality rate, according to the WHO site.

I hear Black Blood (http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink8617.html)is great!! Sorry for the joke.

Borrowing the AMF flags would be almost asking him to take actions against you when the ships are tracked on satelite pictures of them leaving from your asian ports. Somebody is snooping on your nation (I posted it several times above) and I hear AMF isn't a pleasent person to defend against.


EDIT:

The list needs updated to reflect who is in what alliances. We got a few new ones that are not yet up there.

(As Khurgan): That and we're STILL waiting for the whole Geonosis thing. I'm considering just posting your entire fleet as destroyed (it's hideously outnumbered, outgunned, and outmaneuvered anyway, so that's really the probable outcome) and moving on to a counter-invasion.

I agree.

As some of you can already guess, Thrashian participance in this war is now zero. Kick some ass for me will ya?

Balrogga, don't forget this:

#2 No WMD's (That goes for FT Nations too)

I do believe that biological weaponry does indeed count as such.

Balrogga, don't forget this:



I do believe that biological weaponry does indeed count as such.

It does.

And sorry Godular, for bailing on you. But as you might have noticed, I had some issues with past 'friends'.

What Do I have to lose? What If I lose.

What does each side stand for?

Yes, I noticed. They seemed to be oddly enthusiastic towards antagonizing you. No problem though. I pretty much intended to pull the whole thing off on my own. Nuthin' like a race to the capitol against Chron to get the blood pumping... and flowing...

Edited to add: Zioan- At the present time, both sides stand for the effective destruction of TCG and Hataria.

Me on Vaction. Will post Tonight or Tomorrow.


HAPPY EASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(is it two late to join, if not i'de like to add my country and Terrorist group in)

I hope RCW and RIW chemical/biological weapons, FAEs, Thermobarics, and smoke grenades are exempt from the no NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) weapons rule.

Oh, and according to definition, a WMD is anything that vastly overpowers all other countries weapons. And hence cause dispraprtionate casualties

(using tanks and MGs against senoir citizens armed with only pitchforks for example)

WMD is comparitive, and not definite, therefore, if you hold true to WMD clause in literal terms, I hall legitamitely use my NBC weapons against FT invaders using plasma (or other uber) weapons.

WMD is a catchy way of saying something is capable of killing a lot of people. A person with a light machine gun is capable of killing as many people as he has bullets, a nuclear missile is capable of flattening an average city and white phoshorus does horrifying things to the human body. With such a broad range, it is a term than has been used too liberally and frankly has lost all meaning.

The bayonet is the ultimate WMD, it needs no ammo and can kill as long as nobody does anything to stop the stabber.

Yadda yadda yadda.

I should THINK that when it comes to an issue of an FT/MT nation's populace being killed by a hyperactive virus over the course of two days, that there would be no need for debating whether such a thing would be on the same level as some guy who brings a pistol to a knife fight.

The first post said no W.M.D.'s, and the poster is violating that rule with the intention to unleash an overpowered ebola onto a very large portion of the Fedral populace. I believe that deserves a "Period," at the end.

The bayonet is the ultimate WMD, it needs no ammo and can kill as long as nobody does anything to stop the stabber.

Yea, cuz I mean, even if I did have a few hundred nukes...if that guy over there happened to have a bayonet...I'd like give up. No competition. I mean, why should I consider such odds? I only, afterall, have nukes...that guy has a freakin bayonet!

Yadda yadda yadda.

I should THINK that when it comes to an issue of an FT/MT nation's populace being killed by a hyperactive virus over the course of two days, that there would be no need for debating whether such a thing would be on the same level as some guy who brings a pistol to a knife fight.

The first post said no W.M.D.'s, and the poster is violating that rule with the intention to unleash an overpowered ebola onto a very large portion of the Fedral populace. I believe that deserves a "Period," at the end.

I think that if that rule is null and void(something we can assume from his use of WMD), we can turn about and simply nuke Hataria to hell and gone. From orbit.

I think that if that rule is null and void(something we can assume from his use of WMD), we can turn about and simply nuke Hataria to hell and gone. From orbit.

Want to set up a deal for exporting glass?

If my historicle understanding is correct, now is the time to hire a casino construction crew.

If my historicle understanding is correct, now is the time to hire a casino construction crew.

Quite probably. Maybe even 2-3.

The No WMD rule is now Voided.

but No Destroying Planets!

Hoorah. More Life Eater for me! Free samples for all GE members!

The No WMD rule is now Voided.

but No Destroying Planets!

I would see it as creating a newer, shinier, landscape and a whole new venue of money-making.

Then why did you complain when I Life Eater'ed your homeworld? ;) J/k, no hard feelings there, right?

Then why did you complain when I Life Eater'ed your homeworld? ;) J/k, no hard feelings there, right?

That was just plain evil, bringing my people into it. It was suppose to be a civilised space battle, but noooo, you had to go and ram one of your ships into my planet. *huff*

Yea. w/e, it's all in the past.

Hoorah. More Life Eater for me! Free samples for all GE members!

Good Gods... use that on planet Earth please... or at least on every planet where there is sentient MT life.

I think that if that rule is null and void(something we can assume from his use of WMD), we can turn about and simply nuke Hataria to hell and gone. From orbit.
That's a pretty decent suggestion...I'll join you for a bit of the profits in the glass-and-rubble industry...

That's a pretty decent suggestion...I'll join you for a bit of the profits in the glass-and-rubble industry...

Join me. I'm gonna drop something like a few hundred(total) Megatons on Hatarias head.

EDIT: Total yield of all 300 devices: 600MT. Hope he stops alot of them.

The No WMD rule is now Voided.

but No Destroying Planets!

Oh goody! So as long as he leaves each planet intact, Chronosia can scour the surface of every Cassiopeian world he runs into of all life... and I can evacuate the full populace before I reduce each planet to about one-tenth its mass? (its not destroying the planet. Its still gonna be there!)

Awesome man. Awesome. Way to void that kind of restriction when yer puppet is being invaded on two fronts.

And TCG: Bloody respond to my stuff in the war thread. I reacted to your attacks with some of my own, now its yer durn turn.

I kinda like that "WMD is ok" rule...now I can suck the resources out of planets and turn them into giant mines...

Oh, and maybe sometime Geonosis will have some action...that's the only place where I am...

Listed WMDs that are banned

Nukes (Banned)
Non Nukes that can Glass a Nation (Banned)
VX (Banned)
Death Stars (Total Banned)
Galaxy Gun (Low Yeld Only, Use on Military Bases only!)
Bird Flu (Banned)
Smallpoxs (Banned)
STDs (Totaly Banned)
Genoside (Banned)

That is it fotr now.

Three fronts since I am about to start messing with him too.

Hmmmm... Where to misplace his sun....

Listed WMDs that are banned

Nukes (Banned)
Non Nukes that can Glass a Nation (Banned)
VX (Banned)
Death Stars (Total Banned)
Galaxy Gun (Low Yeld Only, Use on Military Bases only!)
Bird Flu (Banned)
Smallpoxs (Banned)
STDs (Totaly Banned)
Genoside (Banned)

That is it fotr now.

I believe we call that "WANKING". You're basically banning everything but what you want to use, meaning you're saying you can have YOUR WMD, but we can't have OUR WMD.

EDIT: and I'm not Glassing the nation. I'm turning it into a lava field.

Three fronts since I am about to start messing with him too.

Hmmmm... Where to misplace his sun....

Misplace a portion of it to Hataria...

Still waiting for the Geonosis response. And while I don't think it quite mrits wank, that list needs re-considering. Genocide isn't a WMD, beacause it isn't a weapon, not in the same sense. And to be frank, if I line up all the citizens of a captured province and shoot them all, who's going to stop me!(OOC, that is)

Listed WMDs that are banned

Nukes (Banned)
Non Nukes that can Glass a Nation (Banned)
VX (Banned)
Death Stars (Total Banned)
Galaxy Gun (Low Yeld Only, Use on Military Bases only!)
Bird Flu (Banned)
Smallpoxs (Banned)
STDs (Totaly Banned)
Genoside (Banned)

That is it fotr now.

No. You void the rule you void the bloody lot of it. And you're still violating the rule even in THIS convoluted case. A viral agent to wipe out TFU's civilian populace = Genocide.

Listed WMDs that are banned

Nukes (Banned)
Non Nukes that can Glass a Nation (Banned)
VX (Banned)
Death Stars (Total Banned)
Galaxy Gun (Low Yeld Only, Use on Military Bases only!)
Bird Flu (Banned)
Smallpoxs (Banned)
STDs (Totaly Banned)
Genoside (Banned)

That is it fotr now.

I wasn't aware genocide was a WMD.

I wasn't aware genocide was a WMD.

The UN has declared Genocide a WMD because it is more of a Mass Killing like a Nuke or a New Form of Vrius.

and Godular, I am not going to Kill out TFU, just use it to make sure he doesn't Invade Hataria.

You fight a war against an alliance of questionable morality, and it's basically understood that we'll be massacring/enslaving/sacrificing your population wherever we find it. Deal.

EDIT: Oh, almost forgot to include "eating." Rhunates are hungry bastards...

You fight a war against an alliance of questionable morality, and it's basically understood that we'll be massacring/enslaving/sacrificing your population wherever we find it. Deal.

EDIT: Oh, almost forgot to include "eating." Rhunates are hungry bastards...

Ald is in on this? *hadn't noticed/had it actually register* Interesting. I have no issues with the total ban on WMD, my issue is with the selective ban of EFFECTIVE WMD for instantaneous/near instantaneous destruction. He's saying that we can use Chem and Bio, but not more "coventional" WMD, and my money says it's because he doesn't wanna take the hit.

Listed WMDs that are banned

Nukes (Banned)
Non Nukes that can Glass a Nation (Banned)
VX (Banned)
Death Stars (Total Banned)
Galaxy Gun (Low Yeld Only, Use on Military Bases only!)
Bird Flu (Banned)
Smallpoxs (Banned)
STDs (Totaly Banned)
Genoside (Banned)

That is it fotr now.
So I can still destroy your sun with a resonance torpedo...or using a world-eating machine...or hit you with Ebola...

The UN has declared Genocide a WMD because it is more of a Mass Killing like a Nuke or a New Form of Vrius.

and Godular, I am not going to Kill out TFU, just use it to make sure he doesn't Invade Hataria.

I don't care. That you're intending to use it at all means you're breaking your own rules. Quit prancing around it and deal with the fact that if you can do it, we all can do it.

I don't care. That you're intending to use it at all means you're breaking your own rules. Quit prancing around it and deal with the fact that if you can do it, we all can do it.

Meaning we have one minor lava field to resolve.

Ald is in on this? *hadn't noticed/had it actually register* Interesting. I have no issues with the total ban on WMD, my issue is with the selective ban of EFFECTIVE WMD for instantaneous/near instantaneous destruction. He's saying that we can use Chem and Bio, but not more "coventional" WMD, and my money says it's because he doesn't wanna take the hit.
Indeed he is. Paraphrasing, he's been following the Khurganate's fleets for a while, taking our scraps for slaves/food/raw materials. The Prince in charge jumped into Geonosis space a bit too early (IE, right behind the Khurganis), and figured that he might as well cement some more permanent relationships with the Changlings so he didn't have to sneak around behind our backs anymore.

Indeed he is. Paraphrasing, he's been following the Khurganate's fleets for a while, taking our scraps for slaves/food/raw materials. The Prince in charge jumped into Geonosis space a bit too early (IE, right behind the Khurganis), and figured that he might as well cement some more permanent relationships with the Changlings so he didn't have to sneak around behind our backs anymore.

Cool.

The UN has declared Genocide a WMD because it is more of a Mass Killing like a Nuke or a New Form of Vrius.

and Godular, I am not going to Kill out TFU, just use it to make sure he doesn't Invade Hataria.

If your so worried about him invading Hataria then why don't you actually try to fight him face to face like someone who has some balls instead of being a coward and hitting him with bio weapons. Just for the record, if you use bio weapons on TFU I'm finally gonna stop being neutral and blow you off the map the conventional way.

Oh and by the way don't try and hit me with the virus either because you don't have a prayer of getting to my planet in FT and I closed by borders on my earth based MT nation a while ago so you would have one hell of a time getting anything near my island.

I have the G'Than'Dehr to uphold and TCG has their own "Holy Jihad" they declaired upon me to finish from their failed invasion of No Endorse.

In my opinion, this precludes the sudden change in rules.


Besides, Genicidal war is a type of war, like the Blitzkrieg, Naval, Air, Space, and many other types. It is not a Weapon of Mass Destruction.



Also, a point to be raised:


OOC: Will Post about Geonosis Soon

Secert IC:

The ten Systems Region

45,000 Cobra Mk I Fighters and 5,000 Serpenet Heavy Bomber/Fighters were soon Massing over The desert World of Ramial. The Cobra MK I was State-of-The Art (For the Cassiopeians) Armed with Repeating Blaster Cannons and The Swarm Missiles, a New Anti-starfighter Missile that are Small and Swarms at the enemy fighter, Chaseing it. This Fighter would be going against the enemy Fighters.

The Serpenet Heavy Bomber/Fighter was Slow, thanks to Heavy Armor. But it's Defenses were Powerful Shields and Back and forward Blaster Cannons.

The Target of the fighters: Chronosia's Homeworld.

The Attacking Fighters soon Jumped into Hyper Space.

The problem with this is you never possesed the Ten Systems area. You announced the intent to send colonists there without establishing any presence at all. TFU simply annexed them before you were ever there. They are TFU's and only his unless you did an invasion to cain control, which you would be able to provide links to for everyone to read....

I can now only conclude that TCG is deliberately refusing to respond to Geonosis. I say we ripped him to pieces. Who agrees?

You know...why event talk? Just send your fleets to his home world, Godular has the coordinates, and just start blowing things up. And if he brings in his fleets, all the better, leaves you from having to go find them. Two birds with one stone, so to speak.

I'm on my way now; ready to tear him a new one. TCG's signed his death warrant; biting off more than he can chew...MUHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm on my way now; ready to tear him a new one. TCG's signed his death warrant; biting off more than he can chew...MUHAHAHAHAHAHA

"Namu Amida Butsu," mutters burrial rights for TCG. "Namu Amida Butsu....Namu Amida Butsu...help this poor bastard to his grave...Namu Amida Butsu...Mmmmmmm.

Oh, and Chron, are you going to reply in my 'Funeral of a Monarch..." thread?

Which reminds me, I've got to get my ships to start following your fleets around to give me an excuse to declare war on TCG.

Since bio-weapons are perfectly allowabe, and genocide is the only thing disallowed by this...

Why not just chuck around 500 or so of each race (long-term racial survival minimum) in a holding complex and start gassing every planet?

You're not technically committing genocide, since you're making sure the race still exists...

Don't use VX, use hard gamma. It doesn't have to be glassing power, just around 50Sv or so. They'll all get sick and die. It'll fry any contingency systems while you're at it, too.

You know...the term 'genocide' is such a...weighted term. I mean, if your clensing the galaxy of a possible moral and health threat...is that really genocide? Or is it that your like those guys killing bugs when your house gets infested? *raises eyebrows, and smiles evilly* :cool:

The United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines the term as: Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures ...

Unfortunately, using the UN definition means that all you can do is destroy his government and military, nothing more.

On the other hand, nothing in its definition gives even the slightest passing mention of it being a 'Weapon of Mass Destruction'. It's just a crime, in our peaceful climate (compared with the daily wars of NS).

Also, this Genocide definition applies only to peacetime climates. In the wages of war, the closest definition to domestic genocide we can use is the literal one, the destruction of a race in its entirety.

Press charges later, TCG, if you must, but domestic genocide definitions cannot apply to open warfare. It's a crime if we do it during peacetime/keeping operations, but not in open warfare.

Civilians, after all, are just 'statistics'.

Since the Cassiopeian Galaxy is not covered by Milky Way law, I move in favor of the complete and total annihilation of everything in it. Except puppies, kittens and bunnies, who will instead be offered up to Glenn Close; one of the Mortal Avatars of Slaanesh :P

About pressing charges...

1) Most of us are NOT UN members, and are thus not bound by their silly little laws, so pressing charges is kinda futile.

2) It be rather hard to press charges when you're part of the Great Majority.

3) It's technically not genocide if you simply transform every man woman and child into a mewling Spawn. After all, they're not dead (yet), and they're still TECHNICALLY human (or whatever they were).

Anyway, TCG, I figure imposing a deadline might be good for you. You have five hours from the time of this post to post about Geonosis before I simply declare your fleet destroyed to the last man (not that it won't be anyway) and move on to raze your home systems.

I had a Lighting Strike about 100 yards away from my house last friday. It shorted out my Internet Connecter, and I now have a new one. I can get back to Geonosis.


I can now only conclude that TCG is deliberately refusing to respond to Geonosis. I say we ripped him to pieces. Who agrees?

OK! Lets say my character has successfuly found the droid factories, planted a few bombs, left the planet, informed the Huntarian Fleet. Sends in the Terminator, sets it's Axiel Cannons to minimal power. Fires at planet.
The surface of the planet is now uninhabitable, untill the Empire comes back with atmospheric processors and they replace the droid facilities with new clone facilities. The Empire rejoices and lives happily ever after.

The End.

Since the Cassiopeian Galaxy is not covered by Milky Way law, I move in favor of the complete and total annihilation of everything in it. Except puppies, kittens and bunnies, who will instead be offered up to Glenn Close; one of the Mortal Avatars of Slaanesh :P

Not my rabbit (http://iweb.tntech.edu/jneapolitan/killer_rabbit.jpg). (Follow URL Link)

I have a better picture of my Proxied C'tan Deciever as a little white rabbit.... With the torso of a Ultra Marine ripped and it's guts spilling onto the ground.