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The North Atlantic Treaty Organization
L'Organization du Traite de l'Atlantique Nord

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Flag_of_NATO.svg/600px-Flag_of_NATO.svg.png

Member States:
Belgium-
Canada-Toops
Coalition of Black Sea States-Cenanan
Czech Republic-
Denmark-Seathorn
Estonia-
France-Naktan
Germany-Lachenburg
Greece-Omorfia
Hungary-
Iceland-
Ireland-
Italy-Spizania
Latvia-East Lithuania
Lithuania-Canadstein
Luxembourg-
The Netherlands-CittaNuova
Norway-
Poland-Ebedron
Portugal-ElectronX
Slovakia-
Turkey-Ottoman Khaif
The United Kingdom-Huahin
The United States of America-Kyanges

NATO Headquarters
Blvd Leopold III
1110 Brussels, Belgium

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The North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] is an alliance of 26 countries from North America and Europe committed to fulfilling the goals of the North Atlantic Treaty signed on 4 April 1949. In accordance with the Treaty, the fundamental role of NATO is to safeguard the freedom and security of its member countries by political and military means. NATO is playing an increasingly important role in crisis management and peacekeeping.

(OOC: Kyanges. ^_^. So far, there's nothing going down near the Atlantic... Might have to modify some things...)

[ooc: seeing as there are developments around the world...]

France requests that the NATO move to offer its support for UN resolution ###, condemning Australia for its unwarranted invasion and current occupation of [SOMALIA...]. As it currently stands, France, Denmark, and Portugal [ooc: there may be others, but I don't know...] have issued a full trade embargo on Australia, and we encourage the other NATO members to follow in suit. Hopefully, we will avoid having to use military force to persuade Australia out of Somalia.

The US has also issued a full trade embargo on Australia, and we support France's motion. Though the Australians of recent times have been quick to jump the gun, they have proven competent enough to know better than to risk war.

(OOC: Ignoring all his OOC crap.)

[ooc: just an FYI, I'd post that info EVERYWHERE: in your main thread, in the UN thread, maybe even in the OOC thread and Australia's personal thread...but definitely the first two...that way, there's a clear reference that the USA signed a trade embargo [or whatever...there's been some confusion about who said what, so I figure it's better to make certain that everyone knows than to go hunting for it later...]]

[ooc: just an FYI, I'd post that info EVERYWHERE: in your main thread, in the UN thread, maybe even in the OOC thread and Australia's personal thread...but definitely the first two...that way, there's a clear reference that the USA signed a trade embargo [or whatever...there's been some confusion about who said what, so I figure it's better to make certain that everyone knows than to go hunting for it later...]]

(OOC: Noted. First taken care of. Time to hunt for his thread now.)

[ooc: the threads are the first post of the OOC THREAD]

OOC: Naktan, you forgot Bulgaria and Romania on your list.

OOC: Naktan, you forgot Bulgaria and Romania on your list.


[ooc: Romania and Bulgaria are part of the Coalition of Black Sea States...]

OCC: WHoops...So what other organizations exist in this RP? Besides NATO,EU,UN,COBSS?

The CBSS is the unified Romania and Bulgaria. It used to include Turkey but they left to regain their own country status (/ooc, somebody wanted to play turkey.. so i let it go..)

While the CBSS does wish to stand with NATO on this front, we send a good amount of our solid waste to Austrilia in return for Uranium to power our plants and ships. Would NATO want us to terminate this trade? If so, where would we put our waste and who would we be able to purchase fissable material from? What of Spain's imperial desires?

France and the UK [not to mention the USA] produce ample supplies of fissile material for nuclear energy; we could trade the material among ourselves.

Your garbage trade is regrettably a side effect of this crisis; granted if enough world pressure is on, Australia will abandon its ambitions and the CBSS can resume its former trade; either that or the CBSS can simply begin developing its own ways for discarding trash [i.e. following Australia's example or whatever...I doubt that your country could produce so much trash that it couldn't dispose of it for a long time...]

Spain - while a NATO and EU member, and a friendly nation with France - should be encouraged to drop its ambitions in Morocco. Seeing as no fighting has commenced and talks are currently being held in Paris to avoid any kind of conflict hopeflly, we do not wish to pursue hostile relations with them. Antagonizing a NATO member would be counterproductive to the alliance's purpose.

Israel would like to join NATO.

OOC: Can i aquire the Brimstone Missile through NATO?

OOC: OK This crap has gone on far enough. This fucking joke is pissing me off. WE ARE LEAVING SOMALIA! What is your problem dammit! I've posted it in like 10 threads now! Even the damn name of the operation said it would fix African nations that were unable to properly care for themselves, and until Mac came along I was actually getting by pretty easily and this is total crap! If Somalia is left to its own right now do you know how BAD things will be!?

[ooc: give the plan for the withdrawal...just saying it isn't enough...and in fact, you've only really OOCd that stuff; the only post that I saw was a declaration stating that Australia would consider withdrawal plans after 2015...]

[ooc: give the plan for the withdrawal...just saying it isn't enough...and in fact, you've only really OOCd that stuff; the only post that I saw was a declaration stating that Australia would consider withdrawal plans after 2015...]

OOC: Give it again..GD it. What thread do I post that in now? Somalia thread? x-x

OOC: Give it again..GD it. What thread do I post that in now? Somalia thread? x-x

OOC: how about all relevant threads? Thus: UN, EU, NATO, Somalia, Australia, plus links in the OOC thread?

Australia really hasn't dealt well with the public outcry about the Somalian invasion (which was what it was) and so it is to be expected that people will drag on about this until Australia is fully gone from Somalia and something more international is in place.

The more you whine about how people are going against you, the more I will personally go against you ICly, so quit whining about people declaring war or embargoes on you.

OOC: If you didn't realize I already posted it once BEFORE.

OOC: If you didn't realize I already posted it once BEFORE.

(OOC: Post it again, in every relevant thread. NATO, EU, USA, Australia, etc. That should do it. The idea isn't to post it once. That's not what we're telling you. Post it EVERYWHERE.)

OOC: If you didn't realize I already posted it once BEFORE.

ooc:
and very few people noticed.
Make sure people notice.
As Kyanges said basically.

[ooc: I that he was doing that...]

Please monitor this, as Australia details their plans in Somalia

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10581625

See the thread...and try to read as much as possible:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10581457#post10581457

France proposes the expulsion of the Republic of Italy from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization for its unwarranted attacks, invasion, and ultimate seizure of Tunisia. They have proved most uncooperative in the international community and we will not stand to watch Italy act in the very bellicose manner as Australia did.

[Disregard the proposal for the complete expulsion of Italy and read the following.]

[Amended to fit the Dannish proposal...

Denmark proposes a lighter NATO sanction.

Seeing as how Italy did not actually use the NATO for this attack, but seeing as how the attack was unjustified and blatantly stupid, we believe that Italy should either:

a) be suspended until they have resolved their problems in Tunisia (and thereby restored Tunisia).

Or

b) not be backed by the NATO if there are any public outcries or actions taken against the Republic of Italy.

either way, we believe Italy is solely responsible for their attack and should be solely responsible for its consequences.

(note to this: we do not believe that we should leave Tunisia defenceless, as they should not have to suffer from this unwarrented attack).]

Spain will stay silent on the matter and if any vote should occur will stay without an opinion as well.

France proposes the expulsion of the Republic of Italy from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization for its unwarranted attacks, invasion, and ultimate seizure of Tunisia. They have proved most uncooperative in the international community and we will not stand to watch Italy act in the very bellicose manner as Australia did.

[ooc: any other opinions?]

The Polish ambassador stepped on to the floor after hearing what France said

"Poland completely disagrees with France. To put a better way, it is stupid. France has attempted to do this in the UN and EU and now he is trying to do it in NATO. give it a rest France, if you want something done, then get off your French ass and do something, but if you do, be warned, Poland will support Italy. We must move on from these problems with Italy and Australlia, both have spoken about plans for withdrawl. Did anyone embargo the USA?? We must move on to more pressing concerns that have to do with NATO. Poland feels that NATO should rework all trade agreements and military alliances. We should also build an international military fast action force. For years it has the USA and the american people who have had to deal with the blunt of fighting. The Polish people are fighters too, if we must, we will give units to this NATO military force. They will be commanded by a selected General, but only the NATO councli has control of it, not their fellow countries. We must stop thinking of ourselves as separate countries, because that is self-centered. We must work together to save us all, that is why this organization was founded. Thankyou"

The pole walked back to his seat slowly. Hopefully someone(other than france) would reply warmly to this. His heart still beating like a raging animal, he sat down and prepared for the rebuttle.

OOC:wow. but its true you know.

The French delegate respects the opinion of the Polish delegate, but seeing the various offenses of the Italian government against the people of Tunisia, we have no reason not to follow on these plans. Italy has blatantly disregarded international conventions, using the extreme force of military annexation to attain their goals, which France must vehemently oppose.

France feels that Italy has failed to utilize all diplomatic resources to resolve this situation and has in turn committed a "selfish" act in itself - the seizure of a country without the consent of the people therein residing. Before this seizure, France held friendly relations with both Tunisia and Italy, seeing as one was a former colony and continuing partner in peace and the other was a common neighbor and economic coshare in trade. As a result of these forceful resolutions by the Italian government, we are unfortunately forced to choose between the one and the other, and France will not side with the one who commits atrocities on another nation with no apparent reason other than for conquest and self-satisfying indulgence in the lands of another sovereign nation. Tunisia has been wronged; we must correct these wrongs by showing to the Italian government that will be excluded from the world if they choose to ignore its conventions. If we cannot enforce the international regulations, then we fail to preserve the sovereignty of the Tunisian people; inaction is as horrible as actually invading these people, and France will not allow inaction on her part.

Denmark proposes a lighter NATO sanction.

Seeing as how Italy did not actually use the NATO for this attack, but seeing as how the attack was unjustified and blatantly stupid, we believe that Italy should either:

a) be suspended until they have resolved their problems in Tunisia (and thereby restored Tunisia).

Or

b) not be backed by the NATO if there are any public outcries or actions taken against the Republic of Italy.

either way, we believe Italy is solely responsible for their attack and should be solely responsible for its consequences.

(note to this: we do not believe that we should leave Tunisia defenceless, as they should not have to suffer from this unwarrented attack).

As Italy has already stated to the EU and UN, the Italian Government will hold a refferendum on the future of Tunisia in approximately five months time, the Italian Government will abide by choice of the Tunisian people.

Denmark proposes a lighter NATO sanction.

Seeing as how Italy did not actually use the NATO for this attack, but seeing as how the attack was unjustified and blatantly stupid, we believe that Italy should either:

a) be suspended until they have resolved their problems in Tunisia (and thereby restored Tunisia).

Or

b) not be backed by the NATO if there are any public outcries or actions taken against the Republic of Italy.

either way, we believe Italy is solely responsible for their attack and should be solely responsible for its consequences.

(note to this: we do not believe that we should leave Tunisia defenceless, as they should not have to suffer from this unwarrented attack).

France respects this opinions has likewise accepted the Dannish amendment to the current proposal.

the CBSS agrees with the danish addition to the ammendment and thus votes Aye on the measure.

France proposes the expulsion of the Republic of Italy from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization for its unwarranted attacks, invasion, and ultimate seizure of Tunisia. They have proved most uncooperative in the international community and we will not stand to watch Italy act in the very bellicose manner as Australia did.

[Disregard the proposal for the complete expulsion of Italy and read the following.]

[Amendment: Dannish proposal...

Denmark proposes a lighter NATO sanction.

Seeing as how Italy did not actually use the NATO for this attack, but seeing as how the attack was unjustified and blatantly stupid, we believe that Italy should either:

a) be suspended until they have resolved their problems in Tunisia (and thereby restored Tunisia).

Or

b) not be backed by the NATO if there are any public outcries or actions taken against the Republic of Italy.

either way, we believe Italy is solely responsible for their attack and should be solely responsible for its consequences.

(note to this: we do not believe that we should leave Tunisia defenceless, as they should not have to suffer from this unwarrented attack).]

Y- 3 [France, CBSS, Denmark]
N- 1 [Portugal]

[ooc: noted]

OOC: What would you do if i was to win the vote and they decided to stay inside Italy as either a new part or a self-governing protectorate?

OOC: What would you do if i was to win the vote and they decided to stay inside Italy as either a new part or a self-governing protectorate?

[ooc: I won't agree to any plebiscite hosted by Italy...the UN must moderate this...not Italy...and WE WOULDN'T NEED A PLEBISCITE IF YOU HADN'T INVADED THEM...that point remains and we press for a full rectification of this problem...]

The vote will be under the eyes of Spanish and Portugese Inspectors and they will insure a fair vote, however the point is moot, you will have your answer one way or another within five months.

Y- 2 [France, CBSS]
N- 0 []

[ooc: I didn't put your vote Denmark, because you didn't explicitly state that you would support it, although I personally think that it is apparent...just tell me if it's ok...]

ooc: You may include my aye.

ooc2: it seems so awfully stupid for Tunisian people to vote to remain with Italy. Either the election is rigged or there isn't one, because I can't imagine for one second that if the roles were reversed that Italians would agree to stay in Tunisia.

i hope you are joking spiz. i suggest you delete that or we will be unable to support you any longer.

Spizania secret message:
We were going to offer military support in tunisia or anywhere else. Maybe you would like to assist us in our shuttle program.

France has their opinion and that is respectable, but they are mssing somethings.

First, they will not do anything about it.
Second, they devise no plan, they must have others do it

OOC: If Australia was in this....I'd say yes to lol.

SIC Ebredon:
We would be delighted to participate in your shuttle program

OOC: Are you Israel? Im getting confused

Poland

SIC: Spain would also like to be an addition in the Polish space center program, adding its own engineering and own funds, although much smaller than those that Italy could afford.

i am going to make a Polish Space Program link

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10592438#post10592438

I hope others will join us and create another space station, along with ISS and explore this galaxy.

ooc: You may include my aye.

ooc2: it seems so awfully stupid for Tunisian people to vote to remain with Italy. Either the election is rigged or there isn't one, because I can't imagine for one second that if the roles were reversed that Italians would agree to stay in Tunisia.

[ooc: i said that exactly somewhere else, but yea...]

France has their opinion and that is respectable, but they are mssing somethings.

First, they will not do anything about it.
Second, they devise no plan, they must have others do it

[ooc: plan? we have a perfectly good plan...diplomatic sanctions on Italy by removing them from the major organizations from which they get support...isolate them from the world to make them realize that their actions are not welcome...if they ignore diplomatic sanctions, we'll take it up a notch...]

i am going to make a Polish Space Program link

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10592438#post10592438

I hope others will join us and create another space station, along with ISS and explore this galaxy.

France is absolutely satisfied with the ESA and we currently expecting the first launch of the new IXE launch system. The weather seems to be fine tomorrow at 1500hours Rio time...

Until Poland declassified information like project partners Spain will take the same stance as France in this issue.

Until Poland declassified information like project partners Spain will take the same stance as France in this issue.

[ooc: what issue?]

[ooc: what issue?]

[OOC: Whether or not to aid the Poles in their space program.]

SIC to NATO: Denmark would like to announce a development in its communications project
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10594242#post10594242

It is still in early stages of development. It will take at least one year before we get something that might work, although it'll probably take five years before we have something that can be distributed to all NATO members.

[ooc: plan? we have a perfectly good plan...diplomatic sanctions on Italy by removing them from the major organizations from which they get support...isolate them from the world to make them realize that their actions are not welcome...if they ignore diplomatic sanctions, we'll take it up a notch...]
You mean invasion? Good Luck with that and hope it doesnt turn into another vietnam (i mean the American disaster not your last one)

You mean invasion? Good Luck with that and hope it doesnt turn into another vietnam (i mean the American disaster not your last one)
ooc:
is that ic or ooc? I presume ooc.

either way, in case you haven't noticed, invasions between European countries have rarely, if ever, been about acquiring new territory. Maybe border territory, but usually its the political influence and the power. So if France does apply military force, it won't be to actually take over Italy.

OOC: Sorry OOC

You mean invasion? Good Luck with that and hope it doesnt turn into another vietnam (i mean the American disaster not your last one)

[ooc: they were both disasters...and France doesn't really want to invade their neighbor, because that would be just exactly what you are doing and we don't believe in dropping down to your level of diplomacy]

The republic of poland would support italy if something like an invasion occured.

The republic of poland would support italy if something like an invasion occured.

[ooc: all of my comments were ooc...until I make them ic, don't treat as such...

furthermore, I made no mention of invasion ANYWHERE...the proposal to issue diplomatic sanctions on Italy...]

the current resolution(s) end tonight at 0000GMT...please vote on them...

still. just know we will support them.

still. just know we will support them.

[ooc: just an irony...Poland is not willing to condemn Italy for conquering a nation, but Poland will attack any nation that attacks Italy...that's really nice...]

Portugal votes Nay for the expulsion of Italy from NATO.

The following resolutions have terminated:



France proposes the expulsion of the Republic of Italy from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization for its unwarranted attacks, invasion, and ultimate seizure of Tunisia. They have proved most uncooperative in the international community and we will not stand to watch Italy act in the very bellicose manner as Australia did.

[Disregard the proposal for the complete expulsion of Italy and read the following.]

[Amendment: Dannish proposal...


Denmark proposes a lighter NATO sanction.

Seeing as how Italy did not actually use the NATO for this attack, but seeing as how the attack was unjustified and blatantly stupid, we believe that Italy should either:

a) be suspended until they have resolved their problems in Tunisia (and thereby restored Tunisia).

Or

b) not be backed by the NATO if there are any public outcries or actions taken against the Republic of Italy.

either way, we believe Italy is solely responsible for their attack and should be solely responsible for its consequences.

(note to this: we do not believe that we should leave Tunisia defenceless, as they should not have to suffer from this unwarrented attack).
]

Y- 3 [France, CBSS, Denmark]
N- 1 [Portugal]

[ooc: noted]

This resolution passes.

new forum for NATO:

http://www.atfreeforum.com/21c/viewtopic.php?t=28&mforum=21c